00:00:00 Speaker 1: How many times have we gone and we're like this is not or even in a day, you know, like morning we're optimistic. You know, you're hearing bugles, you're hearing but it's just out but you're like, it's gonna happen, and then it doesn't. Then you got the kind of the midday lull where some people go back to camp. We kind of die when we go back to camp. Why add is not good? So we either go if we're by ourselves, we go push around bowls, you know, still and whatever. And then you have the evening where you're like and even within that midday you're like dark timber, there's a chance. 00:00:34 Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude, it is crazy. The roller coaster of emotions when you're hunting is insane. 00:00:41 Speaker 1: And if you don't have a good, just group of people that you're like, you know, you can get down. Granted, we do a lot of negative self talk, but it's more like, you know, it's just like messing around out here. The stakes are real. Effective preparation starts the fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me, Rich Browning, as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training. 00:01:15 Speaker 3: And competition to hunting in the back huntry. 00:01:19 Speaker 1: This is in Pursuit brought to you by Mouth Knocks in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt Action Speed. Did you guys see the fifty yard pin thing I sent. We gotta try that. 00:01:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it makes sense, but it's crazy. 00:01:40 Speaker 3: It does and it doesn't. After watching Interstellar, it. 00:01:43 Speaker 4: Makes sense now the curvature of the Earth. 00:01:45 Speaker 3: Curvature of the Earth that's flat. 00:01:47 Speaker 5: Explain what the fifty yard pin thing with the. 00:01:49 Speaker 4: Fifty Obviously a fifty yard you die between eighteen. 00:01:52 Speaker 1: And forty if you if you have your fifty pin is set at you know, is accurate at fifty yards. 00:01:59 Speaker 3: You can use your fear fifty pint from eighteen to forty yards and it'll be on. If you aim a foot. 00:02:07 Speaker 2: Low, well really the whole the whole time you aim a foot low. I thought it was I thought, like at forty yards he gamed six inches low, is what he said. 00:02:15 Speaker 3: I thought it was all you always aim a footload. I just heard a foot Oh okay, we'll have to test it, I guess we're gonna walk out this. 00:02:21 Speaker 6: That doesn't make total sense. 00:02:23 Speaker 4: No, it doesn't make sense. 00:02:24 Speaker 3: I gotta find it. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: Like you would want to be just a little older, say something. 00:02:27 Speaker 3: About the curve of the earth, curvature of the earth is joking? Are you a flat earther? No, like you're a conspiracy theory guy. 00:02:34 Speaker 6: So yes, but not earth. 00:02:36 Speaker 2: I have heard I have heard about like people saying, well, because you know, I think maybe you hear snipers talk about that, like once you start shooting so far out, it's. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: It's not just snipers, it's like that's legit. 00:02:48 Speaker 2: No, I no, no, but they have to account for it because they're shooting like it's like around two thousand. 00:02:52 Speaker 3: You have the rifling of the barrel, there's a lot of stuff. We're not a rifle guys. 00:02:56 Speaker 2: And then I heard I've actually heard since then that that's false, like you don't have to do that. I don't know though, I've never I've never shot a rifle that far. Yeah, Like I think like what is like the longest deadly shot was like twenty or something. 00:03:12 Speaker 3: That's crazy crazy American. 00:03:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, uh, I mean it was it was overseas, so they used meters. 00:03:19 Speaker 2: I think it was an American's neighbors though, and then what was uh, what's like, it's the longest shot you've taken on an animal. 00:03:28 Speaker 6: On an animal, Yeah, I don't know, not that. 00:03:31 Speaker 3: Far, no bear, No, mine was an elk three years ago. Kelouk. 00:03:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't hundred yeah, four hundred. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: It's far. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's farther than I should have Yeah, I mean no, I mean that's not that's not too far. But as much as I shoot my bow, I don't shoot my rifle that much. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: I've got it. 00:03:58 Speaker 1: Like that's something before we go in October, I need to like actually. 00:04:02 Speaker 4: Show it's a lot more. There's a lot more. 00:04:04 Speaker 3: Involved more with like King of Like. 00:04:08 Speaker 6: The day before we leave the last year rifle we were sighting it in. 00:04:14 Speaker 3: It was a weekend before. It was like two weeks before. 00:04:17 Speaker 6: I don't think it was two. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: It's just a lot of time to go out and it is a lot of which is not an excuse whatsoever, because I mean, because it's so yeah Delane just dealing it. 00:04:29 Speaker 4: But no, it is for sure, there's a lot more involvement. 00:04:31 Speaker 3: But what's nice is here I just walk out and shoot my bow. You know. That's what's cool about. 00:04:35 Speaker 4: Can you shoot your rifle here far enough? 00:04:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can get about five six hundred yards. 00:04:39 Speaker 4: Oh that's plenty far. 00:04:40 Speaker 3: Yeah. Me and Billings were doing that last year. 00:04:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's plenty far. 00:04:43 Speaker 1: Billings could not we we had all his numbers. The best was the story last year with we get up to the we see this herd of elk and they had kind of seen a herd down there that morning. Was Delane and Scott and Matt and me and Matt have guns. Scott and Delane are filming and we see this herd and they're probably what mile off, and so me and Scott go into straight pursuit mode and we're huffing it towards these things and you know, using the contour of the like, cause it's where all these ridge fingers kind of come down here at the bottom at the farm or the ranch, and uh, we just kind of using these for cover for cover, and you see a bull in the back and we get up to this last ridge and we start climbing it and we get up there and I'm not known to be like, hey, you take the shot, But for some reason we had a pretty good season already with archery, so Billings hadn't killed anything, and in my head, I'm like, all right, let Billings take it. 00:05:45 Speaker 3: But we waited for what how long? 00:05:48 Speaker 5: Twenty maybe minutes. 00:05:49 Speaker 6: For him to catch up. 00:05:50 Speaker 3: It was a while, and so. 00:05:52 Speaker 5: I was long enough the we'll heard it almost left that. 00:05:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so he gets up to us and uh, I'm like, you want the tripod? And he looks at me like completely surprised that I'm asking right. 00:06:05 Speaker 4: He probably was like well, hiking up with his fingers in his ears. 00:06:08 Speaker 5: Because he said he couldn't hear, and he goes, what do you What do you say? 00:06:13 Speaker 3: I'm like, do you want the tripod or do you want to shoot? Like He's like, I'll take the tripod, and so I set the tripod up. I'm like, hey, give him the range and he's like. 00:06:22 Speaker 4: What's my ham away. 00:06:23 Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, what do you I don't have your rifle. 00:06:25 Speaker 4: He say it's close enough. 00:06:26 Speaker 1: Years And the whole situation gets funny because Delane messes messes up one of the settings, so Scott has to go over and so I'm looking here, so all I see is orange best orange, best orange, best orange best, back and forth, and the bull is like it sees it and starts. I'm like, what moving and Scott's yelling at me. 00:06:48 Speaker 3: He's like, I'm not moving. 00:06:50 Speaker 1: Like we're yelling at each other, like whisper, yeller, yeah, at each other like you would like my kids in the middle of the night with my wife, Like I hear I know you guys, we can hear you. And so Billings takes a shot and is it like one hundred dish yards. But it was funny because Billings like, it's the same momenta Asiers like, So I had it on my always keep it on my phone as my background so I can just look at it. 00:07:12 Speaker 4: That's a good idea. 00:07:13 Speaker 5: But that situation really showed the importance of fitness and hunting. 00:07:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, even rifle, even rifle hunting. I mean, Matt was like, I can't I can't hear you all. I can hear my heart beat, my ears. 00:07:25 Speaker 1: And he's not the most calm in high pressure situations. 00:07:30 Speaker 3: I've learned love him. But we haven't put that video out yet, have we. 00:07:36 Speaker 5: No, it'll it'll be It'll be soon, though. 00:07:39 Speaker 3: I think you have. 00:07:39 Speaker 4: I guess I've just seen it in the office. I thought I had seen it. 00:07:42 Speaker 3: I haven't even seen it. We need to have a viewing party for that one. 00:07:44 Speaker 4: I think I've seen just like bits and pieces like kind of what you're talking about in some. 00:07:47 Speaker 3: Of those parts. All right. Zach Seeler was our last guest. It's Spike Camp episode three. Spike Camp three, Spike Camp three. I guess we're numbering these man. That was, Uh, it's Scott's Scott's hook up with Zach. Cool dude, big human being, very large, super good dude. 00:08:12 Speaker 6: Really, I would say all of the three people we've had so far all just decent dudes. 00:08:17 Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say he's the coolest. I was like, oh, that's gonna go off, you know, they were all Yeah. Honestly, everybody we've had so far, it's just been somebody'd hang out with, right. 00:08:26 Speaker 6: Yeah, probably not what you would expect, Like you think about an NFL player and I know, like there's goods and bad everything, but you like totally down to earth, normal, normal dude. And since then, I think Scott got paid. Scott keeps up with his well, I mean. 00:08:45 Speaker 5: Forty four million guaranteed, how much forty four million guarantee? 00:08:48 Speaker 4: My gosh, I think how many years three years, sixty. 00:08:52 Speaker 3: Six million, maybe, so he doesn't need us anymore. 00:08:57 Speaker 2: No, what's the background with Scott? Like, how do you had you wear that hookup? 00:09:02 Speaker 3: Once you listen to the podcast. 00:09:05 Speaker 4: Well we went I want was saying on this podcast. 00:09:08 Speaker 3: But everybody already. 00:09:09 Speaker 5: Well I know that we went to college together. 00:09:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so Zach, Zach and Scott went to college together at Ferris. 00:09:17 Speaker 1: Which is D two. Yeah, D two and then undrafted free agent. 00:09:23 Speaker 5: So he was drafted seven. 00:09:25 Speaker 1: The Ravens been so long now, yeah, so just pretty cool that you know, went from D two to the NFL, which shows you that you can kind of he's defense, he's a defensive tackle. 00:09:38 Speaker 5: Now, well he was a walk on D two. He didn't even get a contract for I forgot, Oh. 00:09:43 Speaker 6: You're not a big sports Scott, So we forgive you for not knowing that. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: I like sports. I like sporty sports. 00:09:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, I like, are you watching football this weekend? 00:09:52 Speaker 3: He likes Clemson. 00:09:54 Speaker 4: Not see, this's gonna be a big is gonna get a big weekend? It's a telltale weekend. 00:09:59 Speaker 6: Next all right, I remember we haven't won an opener since nineteen. 00:10:05 Speaker 4: I remember two years ago when were a Scott's wedding. 00:10:10 Speaker 2: Notre Dame and Clemson were playing, and like cmeson his favored like crazy, it was. 00:10:14 Speaker 4: It was not supposed to be close. 00:10:16 Speaker 2: He's drunk, like probably last time you drank, right, yeah, probably, And he's so annoying, Oh my gosh, because I can't believe. 00:10:24 Speaker 4: I couldn't get here talking about club football. I couldn't believe. 00:10:30 Speaker 2: I couldn't believe that they were that they were losing. I mean, I think I don't even think he could believe that. 00:10:37 Speaker 3: I trust Notre Dame. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: I was like, are you hitting? 00:10:41 Speaker 2: The worst possible time for this to happen is right now when it's happening, And like I'm furious. 00:10:46 Speaker 4: I'm not drinking either. 00:10:47 Speaker 6: I was. 00:10:48 Speaker 3: I was. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: I was just I sat there with like a bottle of water, just like furious, and he's just yeah, just you know, being ridiculous. 00:10:58 Speaker 4: And I look at Madison like can we go home? I don't want to be here anymore. Because he brought a TV so we can watch it. I was like, it's gonna be a good game. And then I'm not even a TV. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: But Scott's Scott's Anniversary. 00:11:09 Speaker 1: I was like, Scott, Notre Dame Clemson plays right at your anniversary reception and. 00:11:14 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, you think you'd ask Maddie. He's like, I'll ask her, and dude, she was like absolutely, and it was perfect. 00:11:20 Speaker 4: Because it's just down the mountain, like it's not far. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:11:23 Speaker 3: Well, you know how people are like, I hate when people playing weddings. 00:11:26 Speaker 6: Louisiana, but it gets played on LSU. Nobody goes. 00:11:29 Speaker 1: Well, but if you have an understanding wife that is like absolutely, then it's great. 00:11:35 Speaker 6: She's great, right, Scott, Great? 00:11:37 Speaker 3: Great? Shout out Maddie. Great. 00:11:40 Speaker 1: So yeah, back to back to the actual topics of football, because there's probably people that are like, I came here for hunting a football. 00:11:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: Man, I think there's just so many crossovers between athletics, between uh, competition and hunting, you know, And I think Zach is a testament to that. He's a guy that grew up hunting but has excelled in sports, and so for me, that's kind of been the outlet that I found after competing and being able to compete at a high level, was competing with animals. 00:12:13 Speaker 6: As bad as that sounds, Angela, what would you say. One thing he did talk about was just the difference of training of how he does compared to probably what you're right. Yeah, he was still I mean, of course he was still in good shape. 00:12:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was in good shape. 00:12:27 Speaker 6: And like the workout we did, he was moved. Yeah, he didn't stop move. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: However, that was also a third of his body weight everything, you know. 00:12:36 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well yeah we did well. We did one hundred foot farmers carry. 00:12:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, we programmed this workout on Monday, like two weeks ago. 00:12:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, one partner was doing hunter foot farmers carry ten bench hunter foot farmers carry while your other person accumulated max calories on the biker for thirty minutes. 00:12:53 Speaker 3: It was actually really good workout. That was really good work for him. 00:12:57 Speaker 1: I'll steal your thunder for a second and then you can come back and whatever. But he was saying, they just do six second verse, right, so everything is six seconds. 00:13:06 Speaker 6: Sounds like your great time. 00:13:08 Speaker 1: Actually sounds really miserable if you've ever done like like a full out you know, echo bike sprint or whatever. 00:13:15 Speaker 3: And so. Yeah, so he knows the demands of his sport. He knows what he's doing, he knows. 00:13:23 Speaker 1: What that entails, what he needs strength wise, how long he's going to have to do that stuff, what movement, what positions he's going to be in, and so it's no different from what we're trying to do on the Hunt programming side, is like, hey, we we kind of know the demands of what's going to happen, but we also don't whatsoever because you get into a you know, so we want. 00:13:45 Speaker 3: To prepare you. 00:13:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, we want to prepare you for as many different situations as you can. You know, I think a lot of people get stuck in that trap of like long slow grinding, and we even I've done that in the last couple of years because I'm a little bit more. 00:14:00 Speaker 3: Of a power athlete Type two. You know, there's to nerd out. 00:14:05 Speaker 1: You got two different muscle fibers, and a lot of some people are predisposed to be in type two, which is more explosive in summer, Type one. So I'm more predisposed to being type two. So I need to work on type one. So I've added in as accessory as whatever, just some sustained cardio. Early on, when I was doing CrossFit, I did that a ton because I was so power dominant. Now the last couple of years doing some endurance sports, I've kind of kept a good mix, and this year I've done a little bit of both, which I enjoy a little bit better one because my brain more variety my brain, you know, I need that constant kind of like change. But it also like keeps you strong, whereas this time of year, you know, starting to get not run down by any means, but you know in the StairMaster pretty regularly. Either before like I did it yesterday, we did some staremaster which is about a twenty five thirty minute effort and at a sustained heart rate ish whatever, and then we did some strength work and then I. 00:15:05 Speaker 3: Did like a pretty quick ish CrossFit workout. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: And that man, that was like perfect right, and I think changing that up to where it's like all right. I did the other day we did the sled push heavy with a bench with the rest which was like, I mean, my legs were on fire, you know, the bench started to get heavy and then rested while I went and found a vest or a ruck forty pound ruck and then just hopped on the StairMaster. So you know, you had that like quick burst if you know, something happens you're like, oh, I need to go here, stop, go here, stop, go here, stop. 00:15:38 Speaker 3: And then we have this sustained effort to get to whatever. 00:15:40 Speaker 1: So you're just prepared, and the more you prepare in these different man that's that's where the like people don't who don't understand what CrossFit is trying to do. You have essentially three energy systems. You have a super like powerful sprint energy system. You have this kind of like mid ranged two two to four ish minute effort energy system, and then you have the long range aerobic energy system. These two are kind of anaerobic vasag and glycalytic and then aerobic. And so what we want to do is train you in all three energy systems and not we don't want to be too much of a specialist in one or the other. Granted, hunting you do need to have that long sustained cardio. But if you have that base and then also touch that every once in a while and get some touch points on that, I think it just modes well for for you in the mountains. 00:16:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:16:35 Speaker 1: Wow, that was a long winded answer to say that, Like, what Zach does is completely different than what we're trying to do. He's so hyper specialized in that one thing where we kind of want a general and broad fitness of you know gpp is, it would say general physical preparedness. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: And honestly, you're you're, you are more qualified answer the question of like his training versus our training because you worked as strength and conditioning Jim. 00:17:06 Speaker 3: You know, I was. I have a degree in exercise science that I've not used whatsoever. Yeah, I know. 00:17:11 Speaker 2: But and also you worked around those kind of athletes a good amount, and so you see the different. 00:17:17 Speaker 1: It's not as sciencey as you can make it. You know what we were just saying, it's not that hard. You know, an NFL player does six seconds and then they get forty seconds off, six seconds forty seconds off, six seconds forty seconds off, and then they might you know, like probably eight to ten. You'd have to, like, if you really wanted to nerd out on it. All right, let's look at what the average time of a whole set of downs takes or like a drive takes, and then what the rest is before you get back on the field, and then change that up every once in a while. So it's like, you know, you could have a four and out or yeah, three and out, and then you could have eight to ten plays. Yeah, and then you could get off the field and then there's interception right back on the field for him, and so change that up, but stay pretty true. 00:18:03 Speaker 2: To Yeah, So there is like because there's an endurance aspect to playing one, playing the whole set of downs, playing the whole drive, and then like you said, there could be interception, You're going to play a whole another drive, and then being able to do the entire game and then look at it from even more a broader spectrum is the entire season, So like there's more endurance to it. So like being able to do those burst but then being able to do the burst back to back quicker, and then being able to do a set of bursts back to back quickly, and then doing that you know with days in a row, especially because you know, like I was texting with him and he said that his like his bye week is he's he like kind of it's around the rut. So he's gonna he gets his bye week during the rust. So he's gonna actually get the hunt a good amount. And that's another thing that people don't think about, like, especially for the NFL, is you're traveling, you're practicing, you're doing your run throughs, like in in a hotel and then you're playing and then it's like a day or two off. And I think they have they pretty much have like mandatory recovery days where they have to go and like recover with the team and you know all that that can like tie into our team building stuff too that we that would like to talk about. So there's like the recovery days, there's there's days. He's like, it's it's pretty much like a week long for the entire season. You're doing something like that entire week. So that bye week is for him during being during the run is pretty cool because there's not really much downtime during the week unless you have, you know, maybe two home games in a row and you don't and then you get a couple of days at home. But yeah, I mean they're they're on the road training or recovering. 00:19:41 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:19:41 Speaker 6: I didn't ask him this at all, but would you say different position players then trained differently, I would think so obviously, Sorry, cornerbacks, you have specialists and. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Are skills skills and bigs. Is the way we broke it up right, is you know, the bigger guys obviously need a little bit more drive in those. 00:20:06 Speaker 3: Types of things. 00:20:07 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think, yeah, the demands are definitely different but very similar in the same Yeah, because I want them to be as strong as possible. They need to be explosive as possible, those types of things, but the movement, yeah, might be a little bit different. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we talked about this about actually our athletes too at the gym. Uh, some of the crossfad athletes, So like what a you know, maybe a good idea for. 00:20:31 Speaker 4: Them, And you know, I don't know, I'm not gonna tell them what to. 00:20:32 Speaker 2: Do, but you could have like you could have your big athletes and then your skills athletes, like you could all do it. You all would benefit from like a sled push workout where these guys might push heavy sled for five seconds, you might push a light sled for fifteen seconds because you you know, you're going all the way down the field. And then you guys, just if you had all those positions, you just rotate through because you're all needing that power output where you're needing a little bit different power output. So it's I mean, and I'm sure a lot of them do that, Like I know a lot of them push sleds, They squad, they power clean like it looks very similar, Like when you go into a across a gym or strength and conditioning gym, now they look very similar, Like you have squat racks, free weight area, dumbbells, barbells, and like machines and I mean and ghds and stuff like. It all looks really similar now, and I think like that's a huge wave of this of CrossFit really started just like being able to train like athletes and like strength strength and conditioning athletes, because I think there's I think there's benefit to that. And then also getting on the cross a side, like more aerobic style workouts that are mixed modals, different movements and like endurant stuff like what he was doing like for Leadville. So like, I think it's good to touch all of them, just like you was saying, with different themes in mind. 00:21:46 Speaker 1: I think it's you know, to take that piece of what they're doing where you're kind of specializing in. 00:21:52 Speaker 3: Your body type or whatever. 00:21:54 Speaker 1: Really that's what's happening with those guys because some are genetically yeah, you know, you're just different, right, So I think something to take away for anybody listening that you know isn't doing Maham hunt or a set program maybe like you could have tests in there. And that's one of the things that I think is so valuable with CrossFit. 00:22:16 Speaker 3: You know, we have the. 00:22:16 Speaker 1: Benchmark workouts or hero workouts, So like take a workout that you can is a short, fast type workout what for lack of better terms for us just to speak to what we do. 00:22:31 Speaker 3: Take FRAN. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: Now, I don't think a whole your whole workout should be FRAN. For a lot of guys, maybe five to six minutes. You know, the fastest times in the world is like two, right, So that you would that would be a good test of like, hey, where's my power output in a short, relatively quick time frame. And then you could take a test like Murphy, which is one hundred pull ups I mean one mile run, undre pull ups, two undred push ups three hundred two I hate. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: That, and then a one mile run. 00:23:04 Speaker 1: It's just called Murph. And then what I would say on the other end is you could do a one at max squat, a deadlift, a power clean something like that. So you in those three workouts we would call them tests if you're actually testing to see where your fin is at which one of my deficient and if you're if you can power clean over as a man two twenty five. Yeah, that's plenty right, Like obviously, sure, that's an outlier like above, that is your functional on two twenty five. Sure, if your fran time with strict pull or with a full range of motion pull ups, if you're sub six five ish six, you're doing pretty good. If you're doing strict then five or six is really goodly good. Yeah, if you're kipping or flailing around doing fake. 00:23:53 Speaker 4: Pull ups, under five would be really Under five is really good. 00:23:56 Speaker 1: Under four if you're kipping but full range of motion, I don't care if you use your hips whatever. But and then on murph, if you're sub an hour an hour and fifty fifty minutes to an hour, you've got a pretty good base of fitness there. Uh, And I would say you're pretty well rounded for general, like you're not trying to compete, not trying to do anything, You're trying to be ready for the mountains. Those are three pretty good tests. There's actually a couple of good ones you could put in. I mean in the beginning or in the for the one ret max, I would say a squad one front front back deadlift clean Yeah, I like all of those, all the squad of the power clean in my opinion, but all those are a good test for that middle one. I would say a say, fran if you want to do handstand push ups. Some people probably don't want to do that, but like handstand push ups, Diane would be a good one. 00:24:48 Speaker 3: You could even do like. 00:24:50 Speaker 1: Deadlift and Burpy over bar fifteen nine, like something that. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: You can and you can like we're talking about name workouts because they're easy to eas Yeah, but you can just if you if you wanted to, you could just choose a workout that like if it could be twenty one fifty nine power cleans and Burbies over the bar, like you could choose that and that's like that's your thing, you go back to. Yeah, so it doesn't have to be one of these, but it's easy because you just look on the internet and there's like. 00:25:13 Speaker 4: These are tests and you can and you know what a lot of people. 00:25:16 Speaker 1: Measurable, observable, repeatable, in the words of Gray Glass one, yeah, level one like we have to have we have to be able to measure and like true to a standard, right, there needs to be something that like not half range of motion, pull ups, not half range of motion push ups or squats, like you got to have some type of standard so that's measurable. You have to watch it, see it be able to write a time down and then repeatable so then you can always come back to it and and define, hey am I getting fitter? Am I getting worse? And so you know something mid range and then I think FRAN is just a great overall test. Great or sorry Murphy, Yeah, I mean ten k is another good way. 00:25:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't have to have you know, if we. 00:25:53 Speaker 4: Have like a five k rock on on the program, that's another to go back to. 00:25:57 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, you just need to look at and take these data points of like all right, how am I doing in my strength? 00:26:02 Speaker 3: How am I doing in. 00:26:03 Speaker 1: This kind of mid range power outputtish? And then how am I doing aerobically? And then you know, how are those over and am I leaning more towards one way? How do I pick up on this back end of or front end of getting stronger? 00:26:17 Speaker 3: Right? 00:26:18 Speaker 1: You know, if you're so far and so good aerobically, why not like you're so far and even like within your hunting group or your buddies, is like if you're so far ahead aerobically and somebody else is so far ahead of you strength wise, then like, hey, you could sacrifice a little of your aerobic to get stronger and it makes you a better overall athlete, or vice versa. You're so strong that you can't keep up and you're the one holding the group back, then yeah, you need. 00:26:43 Speaker 4: To work on let your strength go just a little bit. 00:26:46 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:26:46 Speaker 1: So and that's I meant at the essence, at the like root of CrossFit, that's what it all it's all about, is like being this like not specialist in any of these three areas but kind of blended between all of them to be good. 00:27:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just for anyone listening that we do. We do have like a week of benchmarks we do on Mayham Hunt about every year or six months or so. 00:27:11 Speaker 4: Kind of lets you get back to. 00:27:12 Speaker 2: Them that run, run, squad, squat and I would just thinking about that one. 00:27:17 Speaker 4: That one's hard work. 00:27:19 Speaker 3: Really hard. 00:27:21 Speaker 4: Yeah we do that. 00:27:22 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, those are there's a bunch of different and then there's like a shooting test in there, and then there's there's the rock We have some really and then we have a power up put one with the bench and the and the sandbag clean. 00:27:32 Speaker 4: So like we we've. 00:27:33 Speaker 2: Thought about that and when we wrote those and think about like the hunter in general. So if you want to on Mayham Hunt, we do that. So if you don't want to have to go and look up your own and figure out how to do on your own, we already have a like a pretty good idea of what good times are or what you should be able to do, and we will program it, you know, just periodical periodically maybe after like after hunting season when you feel like you aren't your fit, where you missed the most days and you've missed probably the most strength. 00:28:04 Speaker 3: Gives us a baseline to see where we're at. 00:28:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, where you're at, and then maybe going into hunting season you can see, okay, well like last year during hunting season or before hunting season, like i did the five k and this was my time and I'm wanting to be maybe two minutes faster than that, Like I've done the training. So yeah, there's like we program that so you don't have to don't have to think through it on your own. Yeah, take a lot of the guestwork out and what you said about you said this earlier about like your what you did for training the other day is literally like what a day on the program looks like you and it may be in a different order, but like there's right now we're going into like some some zone two programming, like some lower heart rate kind of building that out, starting out sustained effort, starting out like a twenty to thirty minutes and building up to about an hour, but every five minutes or so during that you're going to do a hard power output thing like a sled push or a sprint and just to train that. Like that's very sports specific for us, where like you are moving all day long and kind of like what you're saying with Matt, where you guys are grinding and then like you need to be able to settle your heart rate or you need to be able to like, hey, like the wind's about to switch, we need to be over there, like those outco over there, we need to move and like we have to move quick. We've been grinding for four hours now, Like you have to be able to move quick and not like just freaking cramp up and lay. 00:29:20 Speaker 4: On the side of the mountain. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: But yeah, so we do that, and then there's like a I mean every day there's always like just a regular CrossFit GPP workout somewhere between you know, anywhere between seven and twenty minutes or so, and then there's usually strength work. Right now, the strength work is a little bit lower volume because it's not like our oh you're doing for each other volume. Yeah, we're kind of we're loading into that zone too, and that that longer aerobic stuff because of the time of year we're in, so exactly what you said, and then we have like some accessory or some shoulder health or some knee health or just or body building afterwards. So it's like there's usually about three parts, three or four parts to each day. And literally what you just said that you that you did without knowing that I mean, which you do now, but you did that on your own. You programmed something that looks exactly like the days we're doing. So yeah, I mean, it's just and that's probably is just because our history is yeah, trained together is so long. 00:30:18 Speaker 1: I've raised you. You have outside influences now, but when you were young. 00:30:23 Speaker 4: I had like one, maybe two influences. 00:30:25 Speaker 6: Darren Darren, speaking of movement standards, did you see Kennedy and I did. 00:30:33 Speaker 3: I want to do? I want to I want to do that, make make America healthy again. Test. But yeah, there needs to be some type of standard to it. 00:30:41 Speaker 1: I'm I'm all for, hey, let's get get everybody back and healthy, and you know, should be basics. 00:30:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, there needs to be a little bit of a standard. I think they were like, you can split it up. 00:30:54 Speaker 1: However, you wants fifty pull ups, one hundred push ups, but they're like under ten minutes. 00:31:00 Speaker 4: Under ten oh, thank you five We said under five five. 00:31:04 Speaker 1: But like that, you watch some people and we have a guy that's super critical in on standards within the CrossFit community, and he was ripping the video part, which if you're going to assign a time to it, there needs to be some type of standard, right. If it's just like, hey, get it done, then you can have a little bit more lax. But nobody was locking out their pull ups. They didn't say if you could or couldn't kip. And then the push ups, chest wasn't touching and they weren't extending. It was like the push up contest we did the other day with Josh Howerton. You know, we were like you got to touch your chest to the ground, you got to lock out at the top so I had rory count like they wanted to do a push up contest, so you had to go down and then up and everybody's up, all right down and then until failure. I think those things are great. I think the standard I would love to see a one hundred and fifty squats in there. If you made fifty one hundred and one fifty, yeah, which. 00:31:56 Speaker 3: Would be Cindy essentially, Yeah, ten rounds of Cindy. 00:31:59 Speaker 2: I've done on something similar to that because I thought, yeah, okay, so there was a standard like that in. 00:32:04 Speaker 3: School, the Presidential Fitness Test, which they're bringing back. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Which I'm and that was. I mean that was when I was in school, right, Like, it's not that long ago. 00:32:11 Speaker 3: I think, I think they can they candid. 00:32:14 Speaker 1: I think in fourteen or something when almost started to just move, yes. 00:32:18 Speaker 2: Because I remember like some days, like I remember doing it maybe once a semester, once a year, and it was. 00:32:23 Speaker 3: Like you had to run a mile. 00:32:25 Speaker 1: They could be a popsicle stick as you ran by, like make sure you weren't cheating. You had to run a mile, do some set up and reach and I was so good at sitting reach. 00:32:36 Speaker 3: I'm for some reason, I can like I've got really long arms. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: But yeah, that the sit in reach is obscurity. Maybe not a great tests great. I love it because like I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's. 00:32:50 Speaker 6: Just makes you feel better about yourself. 00:32:51 Speaker 4: The sit in reach. 00:32:52 Speaker 6: Maybe those people can do that and then not do it not. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: Ye do always pull my my score would drag me I score down, like I would just do okay a little foreshadowing, you know, yeah, I would just do okay on the sitting reaching the other ones, I would be like good, and then it would just like pull me down, like give me do like more of an average. 00:33:10 Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, what the heck? I won them won the mile, Like I get nothing for that. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: Did you see a video I posted lest Lion of Trice running run the lapse? He did that for thirty minutes. 00:33:20 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 00:33:21 Speaker 3: And I didn't tell him to. He just starts running. That's why. 00:33:23 Speaker 1: For seriously, we were building we've been building a go kart track, like a flat track. Yeah, and so we were out there just messing with the issue, trying to like grade it and all that, and Trice just takes off. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: He's like, da can run a lap. I'm like sure, he's in crocs. 00:33:37 Speaker 4: Oh, no way, it just starts running. 00:33:39 Speaker 3: I'm like, how are you gonna do? He's like, I don't know. I think he said he did twenty four laps and. 00:33:43 Speaker 4: I would crocs. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: He ditch a crocs just kept running the whole time. It was bizarre. 00:33:49 Speaker 5: I'd be interested to know if anyone hunts in like, not all day, but portions of the day and crocs or something like that, because there's a part of Leadville the where they leave an AID station and they're about two miles away. There's a water crossing and a lot of people ran by, carrying their shoes and wearing crocs or canes or something like that, and they would run a couple of miles in it. And I was like, if you were hunting somewhere and it wasn't cold and there was a lot of water crossings, maybe you pop your boots off and just wear those around the little trench foot. 00:34:22 Speaker 6: As long as they're in sport mode, yeah. 00:34:24 Speaker 3: Right, Camo, Yeah, can't act well. 00:34:28 Speaker 4: The cameo crocs and sport mode. 00:34:31 Speaker 6: Well, I would say a good thing about following a program of everything. 00:34:34 Speaker 1: You just said, somebody's there, because I hate making your stuff up. 00:34:38 Speaker 6: The fran stuff. 00:34:39 Speaker 3: Oh, but you need to do it. 00:34:41 Speaker 6: I do need to do any yeah, but the other stuff like I would much rather work out for forty minutes just or for something, but I can't stand just that the under ten minutes. 00:34:52 Speaker 3: Just like what about intervals? Do you mind? 00:34:53 Speaker 6: I don't mind. The intervals are fine. 00:34:55 Speaker 1: Well see, And so that's I think that's where something that gets lost a little bit in programming. I think as a test you do need to touch that every once in a while. But in programming, you know, like we we have some guy that he probably won't find this video, but he comments on all other videos that we don't do anything over fifteen minutes. 00:35:13 Speaker 4: Without rest, without rest, and I. 00:35:15 Speaker 1: Don't think there's a ton you lose so much intensity, you know, I think there is benefit in doing forty burnout sessions. You should just go in the gym a lot of the times in the mountain, if it's super steep or super whatever, what are you gonna do. You're gonna go for a little bit, You're gonna rest for a second. You're gonna go for a little bit. You're either waiting on somebody, they're waiting on you. Like there's just it is what it is like you don't need to go to complete failure every time, but we need to push close to that point, give you enough for us so you come back, maybe not all the way down, yeah, push And so like that's something that I would say over the years we've learned is instead of like for general physical preparedness, instead of just doing FRAN or instead of just doing you know, a five minute workout calling it good for general population, we'll do like a two and a half three minute interval rest for two minutes or minute, same thing like we did it in the class workout yesterday at Mayhem. And so this is obviously way different than I mean, it's. 00:36:12 Speaker 6: Something slid bench press. 00:36:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fine, that was great. 00:36:15 Speaker 1: It was like towards the end of it, I was like, oh no, I don't know if I can get Like that's the idea is you're not quite getting the rest you want, You're getting enough to like, all right, I can push this next set and then towards the end like it start, you know, your heart rate starts not getting down as low, you know. And and that one was like perfect. I used five plates on the turf, which was pretty heavy. So did I all right, What way did you use on the dumbells? 00:36:42 Speaker 3: I'm not. 00:36:42 Speaker 6: I can't. I can't bench eighty dumbbells one hundred. 00:36:46 Speaker 3: You're just a fishing on this. 00:36:48 Speaker 4: Never said I was never said I wasn't. 00:36:50 Speaker 6: However, it is a hundred reps. 00:36:52 Speaker 3: It was one hundred reps, which. 00:36:54 Speaker 6: Watkins started at eighty ye and then went to sixty fives. How much do you weigh to ten so that sleds easier for you too? 00:37:04 Speaker 3: Then? 00:37:04 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean not easy. 00:37:07 Speaker 3: It's not. 00:37:07 Speaker 6: It's easier for you for sure. I don't know. 00:37:10 Speaker 3: I'm one hundred and ninety five pounds. 00:37:12 Speaker 6: No, it's easier. 00:37:13 Speaker 1: I'm just wait, weight mass moves mass. But yeah, no, I think that that's why a program for people who who aren't realistic or aren't subjective about their programming and willing to like, yeah, all right, hey, I know I need to work on this, so I'm gonna like attack this once twice a week. I think that's where a program exactly of somebody who like, I mean not, I'm not I hate doing this, but you know what the hell you're talking about, right, especially from that side of it, You've done it for years, like you literally grew up from thirteen on, you know, using your body to test and try these things. So I think that is a huge advantage to anybody who's just like man, I enjoy working out, but I don't want to think about what I have to do here is right. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: And then there's I know, all miss pieces just like you said where you Yeah, we're I mean you and I will miss pieces if for ourselves, like I, I won't miss pieces when i'm I mean, maybe I do. 00:38:15 Speaker 3: I don't hop on an echo bike and do sprints. 00:38:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Like it's it's a lot easier, but it's a lot easier to sit. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: Back and write and like think about, okay, well I'll just write this and then and then all of a sudden. 00:38:25 Speaker 4: I'm like, I wouldn't do that. 00:38:27 Speaker 2: Probably good that I'm writing, Yeah, I wouldn't do It's probably good I'm writing it because someone else probably thinking like I am, like I ain't gonna do that crap, And then when they see it, they go, well, I guess I'm gonna do it, you know, yeah I should do it, and I don't want to. 00:38:39 Speaker 4: That's probably means I'm gonna do it. 00:38:42 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Uh one takeaway, Angela, I mean I think the correlation is greater between what he does and hunting and what we do. Then people would think like, I mean, yeah, he does do those short bursts, But I did talk about the endurance aspect of being able to do it for two or three hours, yeah, and then being able to do it in like three days later in practice, and then do it again that next weekend. So there's a huge endurance aspect, and there's a huge aspect of recovery for sure, like being a recovery like like you're saying, if you're going up a mountain, you want to be able to rest for a minute, go back at it, and then you want to be able to go to bed and be able to do it the next day and do that for a week and if you're lucky enough, take a week off and go back into the mountains or maybe not even like that's like you know, yeah, for you know, everyone's everyone's wildest dream would be just go out there and stay from beginning of September to end of September and just be hunting. So being able to prepare yourself for that is tough, and there's there's a lot of ways to do it. There's a lot of Like you said, you broke it down into the three three main energy systems, so there's a lot of different things to train. Even though it looks like from the outside it's just a long grind, but it's not. 00:40:00 Speaker 1: Nope, I'll say from a competitive standpoint, competitor, yeah, I think there's that. You know, even people who didn't play sports but are competitive. I think that's the carryover. And you see that with what he's doing the from the like the essence of it or the very you know, simple like it's a it's a competition to hunt, like you're you're competing with that animal, and so there's so many layers to that, like team. You know, I enjoy hunting with a group. I enjoy hunting with a group of guys that I like being around that we agree sometimes on what the strategy is and sometimes it's not relayed quite the same. And then you know, just having that strategy, you're having to play that game, I think is you know, I think that's why so many ex athletes, former athletes. 00:40:55 Speaker 3: When they're when they're done competing, are drawn to hunting. 00:40:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, month somewhat deep. 00:41:02 Speaker 4: Oh, let's hear it. Twenty years in the church. This is what it does to you're a deep thinker. 00:41:08 Speaker 6: Well, I'm also way older than you. I have much more life experience. 00:41:11 Speaker 4: Dude, you're so it's crazy how old you are. 00:41:13 Speaker 6: Like how many more grays you have them? 00:41:15 Speaker 4: I know, dude, my hair is gray. My hair is gray. 00:41:19 Speaker 6: I would say it's cool for his story is awesome, right, But even so he started Ferris all this stuff, drafted seventh round with the Baltimore and right, but then then as soon as like a new season and different place, then. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: He just thrives. 00:41:41 Speaker 6: So what it took to not give up in that time, So there's hope, you know, just different stuff. You have to be determined so you can't give up. But even just to know you never know, like what the next season brings, whether it's hunting, in life, whatever, you know, if you're just committed to where you're at, and then because you never know next season and look any mouth for four million dollars, well. 00:42:02 Speaker 1: I mean, i mean I'm just thinking even just in a hunt, you know, how many times have we gone we're like this is or even in a day, you know, like morning we're optimistic. You know you're hearing bugles, You're here when it's just elk, but you're like, it's gonna happen, and then it doesn't. Then you got the kind of the midday lull where some people go back to camp. We kind of die when we go back to camp. Yeah, my add is not good. So we either go if we're by ourselves, we go push around bowls, you know, still and whatever. And then you have the evening where you're like, and even within that midday you're like, dark timber, there's a chance. 00:42:41 Speaker 2: It's crazy, dude, It is crazy. The roller coaster of emotions when you're hunting is insane. 00:42:47 Speaker 1: And if you don't have a good, just group of people that you're like, you know, you can get down. Granted we do a lot of negative self talk, but it's more like, you know, it's just like messing around. 00:42:58 Speaker 5: But I think word to tie in him Zach and hunting would be persistent, persistently because think about what people see on social media every year is probably like ten years of someone's hard work that turned into that big bull or that big buck. But what they didn't see was all the years they didn't kill in this one little snapshot and they're like, man, this guy always, this guy always gets the biggest board, the biggest buck, whatever. This guy just signed this huge contract, but they didn't see the twitter. Fifteen pound kid walking on at a D two school just picked a college because it's close to where his family owned hunting land. Yeah yeah, and they're like, oh wow, he just signed this huge contract. That must be nice, you know nice. 00:43:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:43:44 Speaker 5: So I think that persistence is the key word for me. 00:43:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and uh, I think I've heard this about Cam was talking about this way he killed his first ball. It took me eight years to kill his first ball on public land. I think campaigns I watch a video about that five yeah, were fun. So yeah, people just don't realize the same thing. It's just like you don't notice how long it took somebody. When you see the YouTube video of them killing that bull, they go, oh man, that's cool, Like I wish. 00:44:11 Speaker 4: I could do that, Say, dude, you don't know how long I thought that. 00:44:14 Speaker 2: You don't know how long I wanted to be that guy who had the YouTube video to kill the ball. 00:44:18 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:44:19 Speaker 4: So there's yeah, persistence a good word, all right. 00:44:23 Speaker 1: Spike Camp three