00:00:00 Speaker 1: I need to apologize for something, and I was like, what. He goes. Back there when he wouldn't let me have a snack, he goes, I was dog cussing you in my head, and he's like, I need to repent and I was like, oh, it's fine. He goes, It's what we needed to do, but I did not want to do it. And so man, I can just like I can shut that part of my brain off. Like I know everybody jokes about it, but I can literally just not go and then eat later and make up for the calories out here. The steaks are real. Effective Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is in Pursuit brought to you by Mouth Knocks in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. Nutrition. How to eat in the back Country is the topic of the day from mister Dodds. 00:01:05 Speaker 2: This would be a good one for bird to be on. 00:01:07 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well after Andy Gallpins he said. Bird literally as soon as he starts into hunt camp, no matter the species of animal or the amount of walking, he hit eat whatever he wants, he said. Galpin says, it doesn't count. 00:01:24 Speaker 3: I've been to a few, like as a guy to outfit camps that we've had in camp cooks. 00:01:30 Speaker 1: No, it's a game changer. 00:01:32 Speaker 3: It's a game changer. But also like if you're not actually hunting, oh yeah, you will gain fifteen pounds in a week fat yeah. Yeah, yeah, their job. 00:01:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, And that's a whole nother discussion on like do I go guided, do I go myself? Do I do whatever? And I I say, if you have the means when you first go, there are two different options. Right, you can go just di y and suffer in the back country. You're gonna be pretty low. You are going to learn a ton, you might not really learn as much as you could going with somebody. But you also need to vet those guides because some guides they're just in really good space places and you're not going to learn much from them because it's not hard for them. You know, Like we've had a couple where you're like, all right, well I learned what not to do, because that wouldn't work in the real world, because we've done we've had completely different en suspectrum, Like we've done public land, unguided DIY and like unprepared as possible, and then we've done guided on really really good property and I learned more screwing it up on public land than I did on a really good piece of property. But we killed. So you got to look at what you're trying to do there. And you know, you know, some guys listen will be like, oh, you should never go guided, and well, good good for you. But if that's what you got time wise, and you know, like family and those types of things. 00:02:57 Speaker 3: A friend of mine throw up a story on his Instagram saying, like, what like creates a d or a publicly and DIY killer. And the answer to me is just time. 00:03:08 Speaker 1: Time. 00:03:08 Speaker 3: If you have time a month to dedicate all September September, yeah, exactly September, you obviously have better odds than the guy coming out from the south of the East. It has five to seven days before he has to get back to his family. 00:03:26 Speaker 1: And not to mention, you can fly into somewhere because they have the camp, the food, they have that type of stuff versus having to drive some of that out or you know, you may gain some cost or make up some cost by doing you know, flying in and then not having to buy some of that food or buy you know, a high dollar rental or something like that, where if you're doing it di y, there's just a lot of things that you have to plan and calculate where they take a little bit of that guesswork out. 00:03:52 Speaker 2: So for sure, I will do. 00:03:54 Speaker 1: Some research however on that. 00:03:58 Speaker 2: For sure. 00:03:59 Speaker 4: Are hunt our Texas hunt Perennial was incredible. I mean I think pretty much everyone there is there they are good hunters. 00:04:10 Speaker 2: It is a good time. Uh, And I like you and I both. 00:04:14 Speaker 4: Learned a lot about access deer in those few days that we know. Way we would have figured out on our own total we've just been hunting them like elk or deer, a hybrid of elk or deer. Maybe we would have looked it up a little more, a little bit more on YouTube just to like kind of do something about it, right, But yeah, we got out there and like that was the I mean, I know I messed it up, but it is the difference between It's the difference between like us having a chance to be successful or not at all. Sure, like we didn't know where to go. Obviously him knowing the property helps, but uh no, that was totally a game changer having that guy, And that's the only guy it hunt have been on. So like, so there are for sure good ones out there, Like you said, if you have the means to do that, you and you vet the guide well enough, you will probably learn a hunt more. And then obviously having that cook there helps. And then the snacks all day yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, having the food the snacks are all day to just grab when you're like was just so nice. So that is absolutely the pinnacle to have like a cook there doing that. 00:05:19 Speaker 2: That is like the dream. 00:05:21 Speaker 3: I would say, a little sidebar here, what do you guys think are some good questions to vet out some outfitters? You've dealt with a few now. 00:05:28 Speaker 2: I mean obviously like. 00:05:30 Speaker 4: Like I mean, like I just said about knowing the property helps a lot, so like, hey, how long you hunted this property? 00:05:37 Speaker 2: I mean how successful you've been the last couple of years. 00:05:39 Speaker 4: So yeah, they could there is a chance to get out there and they're really successful. They have no idea what they're doing they just have a really good property. I mean that's still okay. I mean you may I'll learn that much, but still fine, Like you're still gonna probably be successful or you're gonna at least have a really good hunt because of it. So I would say how long they've been in that property, not just necessarily long they've hunted for I think property is specific property specifically and how successfully have been the last couple of years. 00:06:05 Speaker 3: You may know more than me. What do you think, rich? 00:06:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would try to find somebody that's hunted with him. If you know how to do that. You can do that on by contact. I'm sure there's got to be a website out there that kind of rates them. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: Or they're a yelp, a guide guid Yeah. 00:06:23 Speaker 1: We've got you know with reekers with they're the draw now right, Yeah, yeah, so that's you know, some of those resources. I don't know hunting fools, any of them do that, but like having access to people that have dealt with other guides is a big advantage. 00:06:39 Speaker 3: I think my answer that question is networking, vetting out, talking, asking questions, knowing the area. It's like, oh man, this is a kind of low odd like if I were to do this on my own, this same area is pretty low di y odds. Why would this guide be better at the exactly because there's a very good chance even though it's in his backyard, there's the densities still love, right, So kind of vet out the area. And then the trickiest part is because people have asked me this in the past, like the really good guides are already booked. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would, and that kind of tells you, yeah, like if a guide is booked for a year or two. 00:07:18 Speaker 4: Out, yeah, and maybe that's the time to start saving your money to be like, okay, I do want to hold that guy, like I'm gonna I'm gonna start saving now and I can plan. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: Also, that guy will have cancelations, like hey, call me if anything changes, they will change, like and every single hunting season. 00:07:38 Speaker 4: Changes if they use any quotes that you say, if they use those quotes, bad guy or the best one you. 00:07:46 Speaker 1: Don't know should have been. It's never like this. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: It's a weird years, a weird year. 00:07:52 Speaker 1: This weather's really got him messed up the moon? Yeah, what else? 00:07:57 Speaker 3: Yeahsh you said all the main and you should have been here yesterday exact second yeah, weird year. I think weird. I think Jordan's opening statement to both of us as we were hunting with man, this weather couldn't be worse. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: Always. 00:08:18 Speaker 3: I don't know where they are, I don't know where they're going to be. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Let's keep that's probably the weather's fall. 00:08:25 Speaker 1: That's why it's hunting and not killing up here, all right, So let's get into some nutrition stuff. We can go back all the way to our first well, first hunt I ever went on was a guided hunt in Montana. It was full, you know, food and snacks and all so large Billings needed that for sure, because he almost died. We might have to have him on the public l soon. But even that was not public land, that was guided and he still got messed up. So I think we have talked about that before, but never really on the hunt podcast. 00:09:03 Speaker 3: That was like day zero. 00:09:05 Speaker 1: Seventeen or eighteen, maybe, I think is when. 00:09:07 Speaker 3: We guys had no clue and we had a really good guide. 00:09:12 Speaker 1: I learned a ton we didn't see or hear an milk. But now that I've hunted them, we were doing what we needed to do. It just hit him up, I did. He said, it's not it's not good weird year. No, he was just like, I wouldn't recommend coming out here for a couple of years, and like that was a right very I said, they're getting tore up by the wolves and all kinds of stuff. So okay, we made friends with him, so he wasn't he's not trying to like, yeah, sure, which is thanks Matt, different Matt. So we did that the next year when we went when we met you went with Stephen had Marlin who was camp chef chef, and dude Marlin like froze a bunch of stuff if he had meals ready. Ever. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: I just remember the trees and burritos. 00:10:00 Speaker 1: Those were good. He made some brisket that he'd like kind of burn ended it, I think at the end. And so there was just a ton like every night we'd have hot food. Yeah, yeah, and we were there was a shower, he had like a portable bring. He had a generator that he didn't. 00:10:15 Speaker 2: Have a lot of You weren't there at your comforts? Was he there the first second year? 00:10:20 Speaker 1: Yeah? So I remember what we did that year for dinner. 00:10:22 Speaker 3: I think Marl, yeah, year one. They were their second year, you yeah, second year, but I think yeah, so you guys the first year, I don't know it was either Nelson's truck or your truck, but you guys brought like, no joke, like a hundred gallon water jug. 00:10:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, No, it was a it was a like torpedo. Like it was huge, huge, huge. It was Nelson's truck. 00:10:49 Speaker 3: Took took the entire ted and I remember like one of the opening things, Nel's like, hey, mister muscles, mister f come move this with me, and like we like, we are not moving that thing an inch. I'm so heavy. 00:11:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's eight hundred punds if it's one hundred gallons eight eight pounds a gallon, eight hundred pounds. 00:11:08 Speaker 2: Oh god. 00:11:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. So first year, yeah, we had food. We got a ton of snacks. But Marlin, it's so it's such a game changer to have a hot meal when you get back. It can bring you back to life. 00:11:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:11:19 Speaker 4: So that mean, even if you're by yourself, if you're gonna do that, it's like that. What Marlon did is they're just cooked it all in his kitchen and then he froze it, brought in this giant cooler covered nice and then that was just like. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: A little gas burner back at can camping, you could easily do that set it up. 00:11:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, pro pain tank. 00:11:37 Speaker 4: If I was doing if I was gonna go by myself without someone like that, I would just try to do the same thing, like soups and chili. Soups and chili is easy because he can freeze it and put in a bag. 00:11:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys are hunting in a big group, trying to figure out who's the best most responsible person to be, Like, Okay, I'm gonna be the camp chef or. 00:11:54 Speaker 1: Or each person cooking meal for everybody. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:11:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, switch many days and switch days, so maybe it's only three of the five days or six days, whatever it is. But at least it gives you some some hot food. 00:12:05 Speaker 4: I think we all we all agree on that if there is a hot meal looming at night, like, it's like nice to it's a very nice thing to come back to. 00:12:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:12:13 Speaker 3: I've hundred with guys that would rather have a crappy meal in more sleep than a hot meal and less sleep. I would rather stay up a little bit longer, make a quality meal, and then go to sleep. 00:12:28 Speaker 1: I'd get my sleep. 00:12:29 Speaker 4: And yeah, it also depends on it also depends at the time of the year, like how quickly is the sun setting? 00:12:33 Speaker 1: How long is it? 00:12:34 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:12:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, well if you're gonna if it's like, well it was in Texas, didn't get dark till nine thirty. 00:12:40 Speaker 3: That's how it is in Montana. Yeah, like during the rifles or sorry, archery season in Montana. By the time you're like no shooting light left. Yeah, it's getting back to camp, dude, You're almost back at ten pm. 00:12:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, so then that's when that's when I would do the quick whatever. I can eat something to go to bed. But if you're gonna get back, if it's gonna be dark at seven, like, might as well make something good that time. 00:13:03 Speaker 1: Yep. So that's a good thing to do, having pre made or uh like freeze dride meals really good. Those Mountain ops ones are really good. Yeah, we messed up. 00:13:14 Speaker 2: I messed up that. What was it the sausage gravyiscs. 00:13:18 Speaker 1: And gravy and just takes water cold, cold water and in the bag. And then he's like I watched him. 00:13:25 Speaker 2: Do it and cold, Yeah, why did you do that? 00:13:29 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in the microwaves, Like you can't put that bag in a microwave. 00:13:32 Speaker 3: It's uh, it's yeah. 00:13:36 Speaker 4: I did end up heating some water up and kind of made it. Okay, I did ruin it, but it was so bad. 00:13:42 Speaker 2: I can tell that it is good. 00:13:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, but the flavor was good. 00:13:45 Speaker 2: It was good. I just didn't really want it was too soupy. I mean it waits too soupy. 00:13:49 Speaker 1: So but yeah, that's I mean, that's a warm option too, Like you can warm up something easy quick there is you could be you know, while you're finished boiling water, let us it needs to sit for eight to ten minutes and kind of cook. You can be you know, getting stuff ready for the next day for sure. Yeah, you know, because that's kind of what we would do. As soon as we would get back, we would start making our snacks, our sandwiches. We always make a sandwich usually for the middle of the day, and then a PB and J for the you know, after the climb out. When we were in Gunnison, that was kind of our go to. We had sandwich plus jerky. I liked to go jerky some of the like fruit bar type things like uh, that's it, that's it bars, you know, more natural type stuff totally. But then you have a you know, one or. 00:14:34 Speaker 2: Two fallbacks of like oh yeah, a couple of Snickers bars quick. Yeah. 00:14:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:14:40 Speaker 4: So something that I mean, if you're moving all day, something that you can stomach, that you enjoy eating does help. And something to get some calories in your room if you are moving all day, something that just some calories in quickly that you enjoy eating you're gonna be moving all day. Yeah, we would all do that same thing, just like a big gallon ziplock if your daily rash and basically. 00:15:01 Speaker 1: You throw your sandwich in a sandwich bag and then everything else went in your gallon zip lock. And one of our like it always happens at camp and never really at home. Creature comforts is those daves sweet and spicy pickles. We went through a ton of them in Colorado. Yeah, those are always just a good like throw them on a sandwich. I don't know why, but they always hit so good, like wavery yeah yeah. And I like my peanut butter and jelly the night before I like to just like I don't know how soggy. The longer it like works together, the better. It's like in the movie Little Giants, a kid puts it in his helmet and you can see jelly like push it through. That's what I like. 00:15:44 Speaker 2: It's a good movie. 00:15:45 Speaker 4: I would I like the I mean I like uncrustables because they're just easy doing uncrustable. That would be like the mid morning and the mid afternoon, and then like the actual peanut butter and jelly, or if it's a real sandwich, would be. 00:15:59 Speaker 2: Like the actual lunch. 00:16:01 Speaker 4: Sure, and then kind of bolster that with like different snacks that I enjoy. For I like to put it on like a little bit of a rotation where like I'm not eating I'm not always eating an oatmeal cream pie at eleven. 00:16:12 Speaker 3: O'clock right right. 00:16:14 Speaker 2: I like I have like. 00:16:15 Speaker 4: Three or four and then maybe I'll do a fud round and then maybe I'll do a Christmas tree can. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:16:19 Speaker 4: I like to just switch it up because uh yeah, just like it's just something to. 00:16:23 Speaker 3: Look forward to. You. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't had a Chrismas tree cake in three days? You I'll have that. That sounds good? 00:16:26 Speaker 1: Are you guys? Breakfast guys at camp or no. 00:16:29 Speaker 3: I like a good breakfast, but I will prep it the night before because like I go ahead, oh go ahead. Yeah. So I A lot of my hunts have been as the camera guy. Yeah, and as the camera guy like you, you don't want. 00:16:42 Speaker 1: To be the bottle neck. 00:16:44 Speaker 3: Yeah right, so you really want to have everything prepp the night before, so you just have to pick up your stuff, get your camera ready. That's already enough work and then you're going. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: What the what do you prep the night before for your breakfast? 00:16:55 Speaker 3: If we're at camp, I'll just like, you know, bacon, eggs, like, you know, a quality burrito, if I can, you know, cheese. Again, this is if I'm at camp, I have my stove in a cooler, and I just really like I do really well if I get a hearty breakfast, I can go past lunch and then like make it till dinner and then just like little pick me up snacks. I like just yeah, baking it anytimes good, yeah, you know, sausage, whatever, just real high quality stuff that are dense enough micro nutrient dense that'll get me going pretty well. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: You don't let you don't you will. 00:17:35 Speaker 1: Honestly, I could go till six o'clock if we're moving and not thinking about anything. I could not eat all day, like yeah, the day you're hear the story with Stephen. Yes, so we last morning kind of have a half day ish to hunt. It was the day the year it snowed yep, like crazy, and we're walking out of camp and we cut tracks and they're fresh. 00:17:55 Speaker 3: But that was day lad six, Yeah, last effort. You were like, and we on the other side. 00:18:02 Speaker 1: Yes, literally, we were like, let's cast the nets on the other side, you know, figure head, that might work, and so we did it. And dude, we for seven hours straight just kept bumping. Now now that I know it, like they would you could see where they would bed and then they would take off, and so we're just keep pushing them, right, Yeah, I didn't know that and at the time, but so we're going in. One of the times we like the tracks were fresh, fresh because there was other stuff that we like, some scat that we found. So there's one time where I'm pretty sure we either saw antlers or something, and so like we climbed to top of this little like we we crossed back on our tracks. Like it was crazy the whole route. I wish we had tracker at the time. But anyway, so we get to the spot and like we get to the top of this climb, He's like, all right, I need a snack, and I'm like, all right, man, and so I'm just standing there and so I've got my bow and I'm just standing there watching him, and he's like slowly like unpacking, thinking we're gonna because usually would stop middle of the day, and kind of like he looks at me and kind of like speeds up a little bit, looks up and it goes real fast and then like throws all his stuff backs in back back wow. Throws his stuff back into his bag and hops up. He's like, all right, let's go. And so we keep going and we we got close, and we get to the top and he's like, I need to apologize for something, and I was like what. He goes back there when he wouldn't let me have a snack, he goes, I was dog cussing you in my head, and he's like, I need to repent. And I was like, oh, it's fine. He goes, It's what we needed to do, but I did not want to do it. And so man, I can just like I can shut that part of my brain off. Like I know everybody jokes about it, but I can literally just not go and then eat later and make up for the calories. 00:19:40 Speaker 3: See if I'm in the moment like that. That's not right, Like I'm not thinking like that at all. But if we're I mean we will talk about it, you know, later in this podcast. But that midday kind of like Okay, we're kind of relaxing, we're kind of hunting. How do you I'm starving? Yeah, exactly. 00:19:56 Speaker 4: If I get to relax at any moment, I'm just immediately starving. 00:20:00 Speaker 3: And then sometimes I literally just eat out of boredom. Yeah, this is a draggy hunt, like nothing's really going on. I'm so bored me. 00:20:07 Speaker 2: I got something in the bag, I'll pick at. 00:20:09 Speaker 3: It, exactly. I know you definitely get like that. 00:20:12 Speaker 1: Just board I'll eat. I'll eat whatever for sure, and not healthy and not you know, like it's just crap. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: So I uh, yeah, I can. 00:20:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, if I can pick all day, Like I don't really need a meal, but if I can graze. 00:20:27 Speaker 2: If I can graze all day, that'll be fine. Like actually sitting down to eat a meal is usually like a chore for me. 00:20:37 Speaker 1: However, you kind of need to practice this stuff and know throughout the day. Like if you're working out, say in the morning, and you're gonna do another session in the afternoon. See, you know, like if I don't eat, how does that first session go. This is from years and years of doing it, Like I intermittent fasted for six years, I think, and I know what. My my body can handle a big session in the morning as long as I get enough calories the day before. So that's one thing you got to make sure is the back half of the day when you aren't doing as much or when you get back to camp, make sure you're taking in some calories. That's the big thing because if you you know, if you're building back up that calorie count from the day before, you're all right because in the next day, but if you continually short it by three or four, you're gonna be pretty fried. I can handle it. My body is fine with it. Just it just either goes into save. I don't know what it is, but it's fine. Yeah, But you have to make sure that you've kind of tested that and tried that out before you go out in the woods and you're like, oh Rich said, I don't have to eat. I'll be fine by day three, you're like dying. 00:21:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:21:38 Speaker 4: Or if someone's like, oh Rich said, eats peterb and Jellies and you have never get it that Peter and jellies. You're five years old, you're like, oh, it actually doesn't really feel good on my stomach. Most likely that Peter, but jelly is not a good case because it probably feels good in everyone's stomach. 00:21:50 Speaker 2: But yeah, try those things out. Find out the plan. I think you talked about it at camp, about having in that. 00:21:57 Speaker 4: Ziploc bag, Like you don't have to track your macs, but it is good to have an idea rough calorie count. You obviously want a good amount of carbs. If you're moving all day, you need those fats to satiate you. And you need protein because your bonus mustle's gonna be breaking down room hiking a lot. 00:22:11 Speaker 2: So you do need to have. 00:22:12 Speaker 4: A good balance of the macro nutrients and have an idea calorie count. Wise, maybe just like on your days, like kind of riches saying, like the days where I'm doing where I'm working out for two sessions. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: I'll keep track. 00:22:23 Speaker 4: I won't do it on purpose, but I'll just kind of keep track of what I eat that day. 00:22:27 Speaker 2: And that may be really similar to what I'm gonna want when I'm hunting. 00:22:30 Speaker 3: You're talking about being a professional athlete. 00:22:33 Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, like, what it's like if you can you know, a couple of times on weekend, two times on the weekend, whatever it is, get up first thing, go on your ruck or do your Mayhem Hunt training session. If you want to eat before, eat after whatever, try that out, and then in the afternoon try to hit a double session of ruck that like, you can make a match. You can ruck and CrossFit Mayhem Hunt, or you can Mayhem Hunt CrossFit and then in the afternoon rock. But see what eating and when eating if that affects you. If you're like, oh, man, like I feel great not eating before. I feel like maybe just a protein shake maybe whatever it is, and see how your body kind of handles that for a day or two. Don't go into it and be like, oh, well Rich said he goes he can go all day without eating. 00:23:19 Speaker 3: I'm actually currently doing that right now with annoying with Leadville. You have to trying to figure out. 00:23:26 Speaker 1: Hundred carbs an hour. That's what you need to aim for. 00:23:29 Speaker 3: That is how it's difficult because the first time I did it, I just did those gels. 00:23:36 Speaker 1: And first three or four hours you need to eat fifty grams of carbs, eat fifty grams of carbs, and drink fifty grams of carbs. This is probably way too much more than people want to know for a long endurance, and then once your stomach turns, you need to have one hundred grams in a bottle as backup because you're not gonna want to eat anything. 00:23:55 Speaker 4: So we'll talk about This is a good segue though, to like about having those double sessions is a good time to practice how much electrolytes you need or want, and how much caffeine. Maybe not practicing the amount of caffeine we have on a hunt, but practicing how you feel if you have some caffeine. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: In the morning, and if you have some in the middle of the day, can you go to sleep? 00:24:18 Speaker 4: Do you need that caffeine in the middle of the day, or do you need more caffeine in the middle of the day or in the morning. The electrolytes is a good one. A good rule of thumb is if you are really thirsty, drink some water. If eating a pickle spear sounds absolutely amazing, you probably need some sodium. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: You need some sodium. 00:24:38 Speaker 4: Your body usually tells you what it needs, like I said, you're craving something really sugary when you're running around the woods. 00:24:44 Speaker 2: Probably need some carbs. Probably need some carbs there. 00:24:47 Speaker 4: So yeah, practicing using different electrolytes, Like I think we've probably all been there where you've tried some new electrolyte supplement and it hurts your stomach or it has something in it that arts your stomach. And then affine the same way. If there's like if you like coffee, drink coffee, if you like bout Knops has like the Ignite. 00:25:08 Speaker 2: Or even Endure caffe. 00:25:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, in your water bottle reload is good. It's literally just like five. Yeah, they're great. Like the fruit punch we had was so good. I did that hunt camp. I would put that and one of the hydrate and then I'd just take off and it was just, yeah, that's great. So practice those things. Yeah, if your body's asking for it, probably needs it so well. 00:25:31 Speaker 1: What you don't realize too, is if you're moving all day, you may not have the intensity that you normally train with, but if you're moving all day, your body is just continually burning and you don't really think about it because you're even if you're on your sweating honestly to like, even like whitetail hunting and being cold, your body's trying to like warm itself back up. You are burning calories for sure, saying that because a bird. 00:25:53 Speaker 3: But the other thing that this is from me making this mistake in the past. You have to paste it out. Yeah, if you starving in the morning and you have your gallons ziplock and you go through seventy to eighty percent of it, yeah, you're gonna regret before that last push in the effort. So and especially with water, because water can really get you in some trouble. For sure, you drink, if you drink your entire nal gene because you're doing that first big pull before your glassing effort, thirty minutes into your hunt, you have a couple of SIPs left in your nalgene for the rest of the day you're going to day, Yeah, it's gonna be a bad. 00:26:29 Speaker 2: Day this may. 00:26:30 Speaker 4: You want to talk about the water system, having a water system in place, because that's a good point. If you are gonna if you're gonna chug your nalgene by eight am, you better have a plan to get more. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: You better have a plan for sure. And if you're hunting in the correct areas, you will have access to a creak or to water usually And so if I want not drinking of a pond, yeah, I wouldn't recommend. 00:26:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:56 Speaker 3: So a giardia is a real thing. It's it's food, it's poisoning on steroids. That my rule of thumb is the higher you are in elevation, the less giardia will be in the water. But I still want you to filter it no matter what, because the more bacteria. 00:27:15 Speaker 1: That can boil it, then filter it. 00:27:16 Speaker 3: No, I just go filters, go straight filter. 00:27:18 Speaker 1: Do you push it through multiple times? 00:27:20 Speaker 3: Just one? Yeah? I have personally, thankfully never had giardia and I've only done it through one system, and I've used that whole same system my entire outdoorsman career. What if you want to call that, it's the Soyer system I talked about the Elk camp. I love it. But it's just a little push filter. You fill it up with your dirty water, creates clean water, and you're good. But pretty much how it works is the higher you are up in altitude, the fresher of the water is because of the lack of bacteria it's collecting as it's going down the river. Perfect example of this, Billings found a really awesome deadhead dead mule deer in the bottom of a creek. So all of that rotting carcass is getting into the water system. You want to filter that out. So and also we were pretty well from the cabin at least we were pretty low low altitude. There's still plenty of higher points above us. But always have a water hydration game plan. You can always get the iodine tablets too. Those are very light and very bulletproof. The only thing I don't like about them is it does make your water taste pretty crappy. It tastes like kind of like chlorine. It's pretty much a healthy chlorine that you're drinking. I just never really liked the taste of it, so it's why I switched over to the sayer. But you can drink that your full analogy. But understand you're going to take time away from your hunt to now go get water for yourself, and I personally wouldn't want to do that. 00:28:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, have enough, listen to your body. But also I mean, you are trying to be a fishing as possible, so try not to waste time or waste energy going out of your way to get more. 00:29:06 Speaker 3: I will drink like a camel before I leave, like at camp. At my truck, I have a lot of water, a lot of electrolytes. I want to start ahead of the curve as best I can. 00:29:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, like Rich said about the calories, if you're there for two or three hours before you go to bed, pump the calories in, and then that way the next day while you're walking around, you will have some of that lingering effect. 00:29:27 Speaker 2: That's how I mean, that's basically how intermittent fasting works. 00:29:29 Speaker 4: You will have enough in your system to get you through that bulk of the day, and then you have that little refeed time again. 00:29:36 Speaker 3: And also an experience, I have had friends that thought they were high enough in the altitude did not have to filter their water, and they regretted it because they got giardia. So always always always filter your water. You can also boil it. I don't really like drinking hot water on a hot hunt, but you can if that's if you want to. 00:30:01 Speaker 1: Last. One caffeine, yes, scene, what do you do anywhere? 00:30:07 Speaker 3: I can get it? 00:30:07 Speaker 1: One gram of caffeine anywhere. Me and Scott are on the high caffeine die I don't drink energy drinks or caffeine, So I don't even drink any of the Ignite or YETI Mode or Yetty when I'm not hunting or competing or traveling. 00:30:27 Speaker 2: But when I preface it, you've had it multiple times. 00:30:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, so like. 00:30:32 Speaker 4: Maybe we're trying once where you go out there, but most likely you're going to feel good. If you haven't had it before, You're going to feel really good. 00:30:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, I Me and Me and Scott live on caffeine when we're hunting. 00:30:45 Speaker 4: Nothing makes you feel really is bad as much of a drug adds. This makes me sound Nothing makes you feel better than when you just rip a bunch of caffeine and beta and you're kind of like sober from it for a few weeks. 00:30:57 Speaker 1: I don't know if caffeine actually like it doesn't give me a like a buzz or a high. It almost chills me out a little bit. But beta makes me feel like I'm like something's happening. 00:31:06 Speaker 4: Caffeine when I'm when I have like done a caffeine detox. Yeah, I'm one hundred and twenty percent of the man I am. 00:31:14 Speaker 2: When I'm on. 00:31:15 Speaker 1: Caffeine amplifies everything. 00:31:17 Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good. 00:31:20 Speaker 3: It's relaxative for me. Really, Oh really, I can't if I have I've done. I did it for a long time. Just a quick cup in the morning, forty five minutes and I'm I'm grabbing the dude wipes and like, hey, I got. 00:31:32 Speaker 1: It, I got it. I'm usually doing that for It's weird because I think with how much we move and then I'm probably not eating enough. I'll like, I'm here, I'm two to three times a day. Yeah there once, yeah, sometimes every other day because of how much. 00:31:47 Speaker 3: We're being dehydrated. 00:31:49 Speaker 1: Usually it's pretty usually the first thing in the morning. It's like me and Scott Race we used to have that bucket. 00:31:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, oh the bucket. 00:31:54 Speaker 1: The bucket's pretty good. 00:31:55 Speaker 2: It's good. 00:31:56 Speaker 3: It's efficient. 00:31:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, it's just a five gallon bucket with the bottom ripped out so you dig a hole. It's nice to have a camp. You can relax a little bit versus like hanging onto a tree. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: But that is nice. 00:32:05 Speaker 3: It really is camp. Thrown baby can throw. 00:32:09 Speaker 1: Or you can just be like yeah, Brian and Luke and just right by wherever you are, right next to the kitchens, wherever. 00:32:15 Speaker 2: You right next to the kitchen. 00:32:17 Speaker 4: Golly dude, it like makes me actually mad when I think about it. Like, I mean it was like fifteen maybe ten feet from where we were eating every day. 00:32:26 Speaker 3: And sleeping and sleeping the wrong wind you caught it. 00:32:31 Speaker 1: Luckily it was on the other side. 00:32:33 Speaker 4: But yeah, mine, I would I sometimes like later in the week the farther I got because I'm like, ah, that treely looks like someone probably used it. Like around that tree, the bucket, you just dig a hole. It was nice to shove on the bucket. 00:32:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also going back to the caffeine thing, Like again, I'm usually the camera guy. I don't want to be the bottleneck. I have to strategically like plan my bollet movements. Oh yeah, and I I know for a fact if I have caffeine in the morning, it will be during that prime time. 00:33:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:33:06 Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm trying to send it with this guy and I'm like, dude, I gotta go. I don't want to do that, so I will. I don't. I don't drink caffeine as because of that, But anything else. I have a fun David Curtis story. So him and I are hunting third rifle one of the years one of the first years we met, and I bring one of my favorite combos is the an apple with Jiff peanut butter. But you get the squeeze bottles Jeff for Jeff, Yes, yeah, but they make it in the squeeze bottle so you don't have to like take it with your fork and put it on your apple. You just take it by your apple, you put it in the dent and then you eat it another And David Curtis was like, man, that's so stupid. That's it's a lot of weight. Like, you know, I don't really like it's kind of an unhealthy peanut butter. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah. 00:34:06 Speaker 3: Dude, I'm not kidding you. Two years later, we go on a spring bear hunting. We are on top of the mountain and he pulls off his squeeze jip. I'm like, ma, man, so yeah, I like peanut butter. Like peanut butter does it. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: It's very satiating for sure, very low quality protein. Know we don't talk about it here though. 00:34:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly vet out your system. Know what you're gonna eat beforehand. Don't try to experiment on new. 00:34:36 Speaker 4: Food, not buy brand new freeze dried meals. And eat them when you get out there. No, please, sure will be. 00:34:43 Speaker 2: Like Jeff and shitting at an opportune times. 00:34:45 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, don't don't do that. Yeah, just like anything beforehand, have a game plan, know your game plan, stick to your game plan. 00:34:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck, good luck. Well preface of having Curtis on there. 00:35:02 Speaker 2: Yeah next week Yeah. 00:35:05 Speaker 1: Alright. Peace. 00:35:07 Speaker 3: M m mm hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm hmm