00:00:00 Speaker 1: I saw I shot like we shot a six point when I was probably eight, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. So we were trying to shoot this otter in this pond, and as he was trying to shoot the otter, a six point walks out from the gunshot spooked him and then we shot him. 00:00:13 Speaker 2: That was like my only hunting experience. And then which so that that six point was actually mounted in my bedroom. Utility to not much to brag abo, it is a good memory out here. 00:00:29 Speaker 3: The stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. 00:00:43 Speaker 2: Join me Rich Browning as we. 00:00:45 Speaker 3: Apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is in Pursuit, brought to you by Mount Knobs in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. 00:01:02 Speaker 2: All right, Christian Hoff in Pursuit uh for eight men? Is that your that you like, want your your title to do this great? 00:01:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, you haven't done the sin when we film that show, I hadn't done the podcast since then, but I'm still doing like workout plans and devotionals and stuff. 00:01:16 Speaker 2: Okay, man say that glad to have you du spend? What was that was? That? Was that the intro? It's formal? Man, we don't I thought you were asking what what what? What? What are you? Go ahead? 00:01:31 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, yeah, the podcast is on the brief hold. But yeah, still doing some devotionals. I'm going through David right now, so hopefully I launched that over the summer. 00:01:39 Speaker 2: Nice, what's the what do you? What's themis of David? I guess what are you trying to get out of that? 00:01:45 Speaker 1: That's a good question. So I watched House of David radically changed my life. Not not from the standpoint of like needing need you know, kind of like we just talked about with the crowd, like needing something to help prove my faith, but something about David that I've never fully really understood until kind of watching the show. 00:02:02 Speaker 2: The King David. 00:02:05 Speaker 1: Uh actually number five most recognized names in human history. 00:02:10 Speaker 2: Did not know that first second, Samuel first King's dies in there somewhere. 00:02:16 Speaker 1: But the show starts out with this. The whole show starts out and it says, can one can one stone change the course of history, which is like. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: An epic thought to think about. 00:02:25 Speaker 1: But no, this the show does such a good job of humanizing him. And I think with David's life that you don't fully understand is that he becomes the most famous person in Israel the second he kills. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: Say overnight or within one rock, and you. 00:02:40 Speaker 1: Have this truxtaposition of he's anointed, he's the most famous person. Now he's still young, so he has no one speaking to his life, no one that can relate to him, and which is some extent, to some extent, but but it's like the it's like the he can understand, he can relate to him, but it's like in the opposite, the opposite side of it, and the the thought of psalms daily, writing the psalms from that standpoint of the only person he can relate to is God. And the show is so cool because he's such a warrior, he's a poet, musician like this the whole the way that it's framed. To me, it's changed the way that I've read the Bible. And he's Yeah, he's just been someone that's that's been really encouraging to me. And you know, the idea of being a man after God's own heart for someone that did, you know, make the kind of mistakes he did. But and even that question of like why did God annoyed him, why did he choose him? Jesus is still referred to us as son of David. So there's something there that I'm just I've just been trying to trying to study. 00:03:34 Speaker 2: So I read the Day of War books. I've read one of them. I read the first one. Yeah, yeah, they're awesome. He's yeah. Three. So Day of War, Covenant War. I just when we did. 00:03:42 Speaker 1: That, Yeah, I think when I was here with it, I think we were talking about it. 00:03:45 Speaker 2: We just did that twenty four hour run. I re be the third time that I've gone through Covenant of War. So I read Day of War three or four times, Covenant War three or four times, and I'm on the second time of Song of War because I'm the same way. Man. 00:03:56 Speaker 3: I there's just something. I mean, David was the best of us and the worst of us. I mean, we've all been there, right, And so I'm I'm on a later point in life than you, and so that I'm at the point where at a time when kings normally went to war, that's where I'm at and I'm like, okay, man, you don't want to be keep keep moving forward or keep sure well, just keep fighting, right, don't don't get complacent, don't not have something to train four to. You know, obviously my family, you know, I'm one hundred percent going to be there, but even you know, as a man, like I've got to have something to go after or else. 00:04:30 Speaker 1: What do we I mean, yeah, yeah, and that's what I've That's what I've done too. So it's gonna be like a forty day devotions really just gone through first Samuel, because I started it and I was like, this could be two hundred days. 00:04:39 Speaker 2: You know, it's gonna be forty days. 00:04:41 Speaker 1: But even this these hypothetical questions of like the idea of which I don't know this is true. Up when I was reading, I was like, I think David was the only one that would have heard the defiant of Goliath before he actually saw the giant. So all of Israel would have seen Goliath and then heard the chance, but David would have heard the chance as he's walking down to the battle. And this is the idea of David had made up his mind what he was gonna do regardless of even regardless of what the enemy looked like. And then even funny questions of like like did the brothers ever eat the cheese trap? You know, like whatever happened to the cheese tre and he brings the you know, brings the food there, and after he co glied, did they go eat it? 00:05:19 Speaker 2: And stones the other stone? 00:05:23 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:05:23 Speaker 1: Did the other stones just stay there? Or which because some people talk about the five stones being for the the Torah or or for the five yeah the Torah, or for the other four brothers that eventually they are killed. Just funny hypothetical things like that of just that are fun of me to think about. 00:05:38 Speaker 2: And then the show is kind of unlocked. 00:05:40 Speaker 3: I've not watched the show as big as like I'm the same way, I'm a. 00:05:44 Speaker 4: I need to watch it. I've watched the first two episodes and watch. 00:05:47 Speaker 3: I would say outside the Gospel, the first like books that I got into in the Bible were for same. I was on our honeymoon, me and Hillary, and I'm like, ah, you know, I can only sit and stare at the water for so long. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna take my Bible. When I started reading for Samuel and I'm like, what. 00:05:59 Speaker 1: The heck, Yeah, because we did a Bible course through Hillsdale on Unashamed, and we're going through First and Second Samuel. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: This was a couple of months ago, and. 00:06:06 Speaker 1: The guy was talking to us about how first and Second Samuel from like a literary perspective, like he's a he's a like a historian, but he also just like loved literature from like a literature perspective. That's like those people's favorite books in the Bible because of the imagery, because of just the storyline and how many things like just that are kind of woven throughout the story that you might not pick up on. Uh, Like even things like you know, with with Samuel and his robe. He got first first Samuel, when you know his wife, when Samuel's mom's praying, then it talks about the robe. And then when Saul, you know, grabs Samuel's robe, then then it rips, and then later when he meets with them, and later when he meets with the Mediator, he's wearing the robe when she summons him from the dead. So even things like that that you kind of can pick up on from like a literary tool. 00:06:52 Speaker 2: That's just been I've just been geeking out about David. So it's just been awesome to me. That's awesome. So that book will come out. 00:07:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a forty day to be like a pdfm a website. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: So hopefully that'll be out, hopefully in June. So we'll see, we'll see. 00:07:07 Speaker 3: Maybe there's our group will follow it because we started a men's group here in the mornings. 00:07:11 Speaker 2: On Saturday, little fitness and faith stuff. So it's been good. I appreciate it. 00:07:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started rewatching The Chosen. If you watched The Chosen, Yeah, I started. Have you watched it? 00:07:21 Speaker 2: I'm not. 00:07:21 Speaker 4: It's really good. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: I've heard it's great. We just with the kids. 00:07:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hard because it's not you have to like pay attention because they make it more like a show where it's not like there's other stuff. There's like what I would call extra biblical. 00:07:34 Speaker 2: Stuff going on. 00:07:36 Speaker 4: Basically like you said, you almost need it. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, day of the same way. It's okay. 00:07:40 Speaker 3: I've taken you know, there's only these certain written versus written I've expanded on because I've studied the time. 00:07:46 Speaker 4: It doesn't change any it doesn't change any of the text any of the scriptures. It just adds the pieces in between to like, like the one that comes to mind is like the Samaritan woman at the well, like it gives her a backstory like stuff like that. So I've tried to rewatch it. 00:07:59 Speaker 2: I've tried to. 00:08:00 Speaker 4: I was watching it. 00:08:03 Speaker 1: There's a scene where when he calls out, like when he does all the woes to the Pharisees. But the funny thing about David too, so that they came out with with the kids movie, and. 00:08:14 Speaker 2: It's so soft. It's so so soft for. 00:08:17 Speaker 1: Like my daughter's birthday. They want to be David for their birthday. Like they'll be five and three in May, and they want me to be Goliath. I'm like, imagine someone telling David three thousand years ago, hey, so you're on a planet. It's actually spinning through space, and then a halfway around the world there's gonna be a five room three old they want to be you for the birthday. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: And their dad with. 00:08:40 Speaker 1: Like that, what would he like process if someone said, hey, there's two young girls that want to be you for the birthday party, I don't know what he was. 00:08:48 Speaker 2: It's just hilarious. I shouldn't say it's soft. 00:08:50 Speaker 3: It's just too like after reading those Day of War books and they kind of like the Amalokite thing. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: It was very it was kind of weird. 00:08:59 Speaker 3: And then they even did and even like him being part of the Philistine army was almost like they were trying to blend in with the army, where no, he was like heart of the Philistine granted they were also doing different things and like almost which that. 00:09:10 Speaker 1: That story to me is so interesting when David's actually living in Gath with the Philistines, because when he actually goes and saves the when he actually goes and saves Kila, he's technically I was talking to one of my Jewish rabbi that I'm close with. He was saying, David was actually like batman. Yes he was. He would go save the Israelites and come back to Gath and be like, yeah, we don't know what happened, steals. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: The tribes. 00:09:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, he asked God if he should go, and he said yes. Then then David was like, well, it's gonna be dangerous, and God said, you know, I'll give you the victory. So he's like living in living in Gath, goes and saves them from the Philippines Israelites, and then he comes back to Gath and he's just like, you know, acts like nothing happened because he killed them all. 00:09:53 Speaker 2: There's no there's no witness though. It's so crazy. 00:09:56 Speaker 1: He was a he was a like the first vigilante and. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: Had a bunch of mercenaries working for it. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, bad dudes, but they got it done. 00:10:06 Speaker 2: Man, they did. 00:10:08 Speaker 3: You ask why this is a hunting podcast, but it had to be a hunter, you know, like he killed lions, protected his sheep, did all kinds of stuff, So I think, man, uh, And there's there's some spiritual stuff that happens in the mountains. 00:10:20 Speaker 4: So for sure, no that it. Yeah, I think the whole Bible blends perfectly with hunting, like especially when you go out and you are hunting them Rod. Yeah, like when you're hunting. When you're hunting, there's no I think everyone understands who's been hunting there. You're not closer to God than when you're hunting. You're not around modern technology. The only modern technology you have is maybe the garment phone. It's like your satellite phone, and that's it. It's like when you get out there and you look around, you're like, dude, and I was actually on a plane the other day and there was like this here, this is for you, This is for you. We're circling Nashville because we can't land there's too much fog. I'm trying to get back to Nashville, and so instead we fly to Ohio, to Cleveland, Ohio and land there. 00:11:01 Speaker 2: So Cincinnati, sorry, Cincinnati, Cleveland's sorry. 00:11:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, we fly to Cincinnati. So yes, I I guess I told you. My traveling experience is pretty bad too. We fly to Cincinnati. Anyways, we're circling and like the clouds are insane and they go on as far as you can see. And I I said it to one of my friends and like in quotation said, there's no creator. Like dude, look at that, Like yeah, I mean I understand that, like the science can figure all that stuff out, but like why does it look so cool? You know, like it doesn't it looks cool because like it's like it's almost like it's a gift to us, like you know, and that's the same for like the mountains and everything else. Like you get out there, you go, this is like this is a gift to us. It's so incredible. It doesn't have to look like this. We don't have to be able to enjoy it like this, like it's an animals, yeah, not to mention, not to mention the animals that wrong. 00:11:48 Speaker 1: Esa might not be the best example, but Esau was a skilled hunter. The Bible says, yeah. And I think the thing with you know, with with with flying on planes and everything too, it's it's so seeing the creation that does you know, the Bible talks about romans like it, you know, it it gives account for for for for Jesus. 00:12:04 Speaker 2: And for God. 00:12:04 Speaker 1: But you know, as awesome as the world is and and as and as cool as it is, you everyone still ask asked the question, know why are we here? Like that doesn't necessarily solve that inward groaning of what's my purpose? 00:12:16 Speaker 2: What was I created for? Who made me? You know? Is all of this? You know? Is this the end? And those kind of things. 00:12:22 Speaker 1: So that's what I found comforting of, like seeing the world, seeing creation, having those kinds of experiences hunting and you know, even just seeing even just seeing the world that to me it gives affirmation to there's a creator, but then it makes you long to actually know who that is. Yeah, which for me, hunt hunting has been such a such a crucial part of that for me too. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: Yeah for sure. Uh yeah, Like you get so close to the anamals, you get so close to him and like everything is so perfectly made, you know, like the like the deer, Like when you look at the deer, you look at their you know, you think about their eyes, or you think about like how their antlers form and every year and they fall off, and you think about, like the elk, how they communicate with each other. You're like, dude, come on, you're telling me all this is by chance, like it I don't have enough faith to believe that this is all by. 00:13:10 Speaker 1: And the smell they can if your wind switches there. So there's so many things. 00:13:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I mean, I don't know who said it, but I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. Yeah, I can't believe. I can't believe in that many coincidences. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: Well, it takes more faith to be an atheist in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's the thing. 00:13:27 Speaker 1: It's like we're we're we're on a ball spinning through space, circulating a sun and the moon in a milky way where if you moved either way, if we're any further we'd freeze. 00:13:38 Speaker 2: If we're any closer, we'd burn. 00:13:40 Speaker 1: If the moon was misaligned, the tides would take over. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: I'm like, it's so fine tuned. 00:13:45 Speaker 1: It's like there's like there has to be an answer to that, and I think everyone should. 00:13:51 Speaker 2: You should at least seek after that in some capacity. 00:13:54 Speaker 1: And for us, we find that for the god in the Bible for sure. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Man, all right, so what's your hunting background? Would you? Did you grow up hunting? Were you? Were you forced into it? I was joining the family. 00:14:04 Speaker 1: I think joining the family might have forced my hand a little early. 00:14:07 Speaker 2: Where you're going to beard too, or well, I actually did. I actually did grow the beard for hunting seasons. 00:14:14 Speaker 3: Okay, but now, last time you were here five years ago, five years ago, okay, yeah, my daughter was so yeah to me, Sadie and my daughter were supposed to come. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: This is in July. She was born in May. She had like terrible collic. Yeah, I ended up just being hopefully years doesn't have college? Yeah, I really it is sixteen hours a day. If yours house college, I would definitely take off the whoop. You did not want to, yeah, you can go ahead. 00:14:36 Speaker 4: And my my wife's younger brother did yeah. 00:14:41 Speaker 2: I cried sixteen hours a day, maybe even eight. Yeah, we would. 00:14:44 Speaker 1: We would go through ten pair ten ten pair of clothes a day because she would spit up, and then it was the whole thing. But hunting background, Yeah, So I grew up my so we grew up playing baseball super competitively, so I'd never hunted that much. My dad was not a huge hunter. But my mom's dad was a huge hunter. He had a couple of he had probably thirty or forty acres of land up in Florida, and. 00:15:07 Speaker 2: He, funny say, up in Florida, that's when you know you're down to Florida. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: But he loved to hunt, but he uh the hunt, you know, the deer there weren't great. Yeah, and he he did not like to kill them. Well he he, He loved to kill things, but it was more so just like he appreciated watching them grow and all the kind of things. So one select, so I shot, like, we shot a six point when I was probably eight, and I thought it was the coolest thing ever. So we were trying to shoot this otter in this pond, and as he's trying to shoot the otter, a six point walks out from the gun shot spooked him and then we shot him. That was like my only hunting experience and then which so that that that six point was actually mounted in my bedroom until it was pretty cool. 00:15:50 Speaker 2: Not much to brag about, but it was a game. 00:15:52 Speaker 3: I got one, like we got a nine point that Trice law. It's his favorite thing in our house and it's tiny, super sweet. 00:15:58 Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel like, you know, when I did marry in because I never went duck hunting growing up, and that's been a fun experience because it's a lot more camaraderie, a lot more you know, fellowship, and then deer hunting. Uh So for me, it kind of kicked off. My father in law would take us on a son and son in law hunt once a year, so I kind of kickstarted with some good places a bit, Yeah, to some pretty good places. So that kind of kickstarted the uh, the love for it. And then yeah, the past two years, I've I've gotten into it pretty good. Yeah, you know, I've got all the got all the cameras and the tree stands and yeah it's. 00:16:30 Speaker 2: The deer hunting. The last two years it's got me pretty good. Yeah, I was a late bloomer on deer hunting. Turkey was my in my gateway drug and then man, we got to get you out west, which we try to. I've only been I've only Turkeyana once. It was it was a good time, but it was a little anti climatic. It was like we were we were at a speaking event. One of my buddies was there, say, I have this turkey that's coming the same spot every day. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: So it was like we had we had. I had to be gone by eight by to be back at the hotel at eight. He pitted me at like four thirty, shot the bird at like seven. I was back in the hotel by eight and it was like I literally just sat behind. 00:17:04 Speaker 2: Still fun, but it's not that much fun. 00:17:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, But I think my experience would be better if was house walking in the woods and we. 00:17:10 Speaker 3: Can take you on a walking, a hiking experience. Me and Angela have been on some real interesting bird hunts. 00:17:16 Speaker 4: That a lot of crawling. 00:17:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, we do a lot of low crawling. No, I would love it, But were you with us? 00:17:24 Speaker 4: I don't think so. 00:17:25 Speaker 2: I don't mean scotton billings. 00:17:26 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I don't think I killed turkey last year. 00:17:28 Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm on a Jake Spree, Right, who was your first out West hunt? Oh, two thousand and eighteen or seventeen, one of the two I remember going up to Montana. Is that your favorite? Uh? No, it was awful. I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. Oh is that my favorite style? Yeah? 00:17:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Western hunting elk by far is my favorite. That's why we gotta get you out there. Yeah, it's it's I'm a late bloomer to deer hunting. Uh two three years ago I went with Angela once killed a doe and I'm like, oh, okay, this is fun. Yeah, and so I've been kind of hooked on that and we can do it here and the kids can do it. That's my thing, is like I can get the kids out here doing it. But Western hunting is. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: Passion. Yeah, so we're gonna. 00:18:13 Speaker 1: Try to I've I've heard it sin sane. 00:18:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. Once you do it once, man, you're you'll you'll take that same session you have with white tail, I think, and and switch it. 00:18:21 Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I think I think it's I mean, you know better than me. Even the opportunity that you guys probably have to hunt is going to be pretty if we can get that really good. Yeah, Yeah, we're I was talking with breakers today about some options for. 00:18:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to look at Colorado too, and we've got to figure that out this week. 00:18:41 Speaker 4: Figure we're got to figure it out. 00:18:43 Speaker 3: You got any plans other than if we draw that tag we're trying for. 00:18:47 Speaker 1: No, I don't just gonna keep duck hunting, keep keep keep keep white tail hunting in Louisiana. I'm hoping to go to a ranch in Kansas at some point, but I gotta you gotta draw the tag for it and see if I get it. But I've actually I've never applied for a tag. So we got a guy. I don't know if my I don't know if my chances start higher or lower. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: If you never replied, we got to get your in touch with our guy. 00:19:05 Speaker 3: Man, it makes it so easier to have all those states. 00:19:10 Speaker 2: It's so hard. 00:19:10 Speaker 3: I mean, Dodds knows it. But like it's it's a I mean, Hamma Robbie's code. Trying to figure out how to apply and do all those types of things. 00:19:19 Speaker 4: I think it should be a miner in college. 00:19:21 Speaker 2: It really should. 00:19:23 Speaker 1: You know that, because then there's a thing you can like, like a cup points. 00:19:27 Speaker 3: That's what you want to start doing, and you want to start doing it when your kids become age like a twelve I think is when they can start. 00:19:32 Speaker 4: I think it's fourteen. 00:19:33 Speaker 3: Okay, So Lake one is getting closer on the start even if she I think she would want to because she does. Oh she loves something really Yeah, she'll go sit with me all the time. Trice loves it. Actually, all three of my kids. Man, they'll go sit out there. She's uh this this year, she had a couple opportunities and just froze up behind the triggers like you do it, you do it, and I'm like, I don't. We don't need I want. 00:19:53 Speaker 2: You to do it. And then uh, and then we had a chance. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: She shut down on a dough and then a buck came out and she was fired up and she was gonna. 00:20:02 Speaker 2: You should get her. You should get her a cross. We have a cross. 00:20:05 Speaker 3: But she just had not shot it enough to be comfortable with it. Now she would probably do it. But when that buck came out, you could see that something flipped. 00:20:13 Speaker 2: Man. She was like, okay, yeah, I'll shoot this and so but he just he came in and then a coyote it's a different switch. When when when when the buck walks out, Oh. 00:20:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:20:21 Speaker 3: But then then as soon as he like he kind of busted off when a coyote went off behind us, she like sat down and you could just see her and She's like, my head hurt so bad. 00:20:30 Speaker 2: And I'm like, yep, that's called adrenaline dope. Yeah, it's going so. 00:20:34 Speaker 4: Uh so bow hunting rifle hunting, he done both or. 00:20:40 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so I've done both. I'm not the most experienced bowhunter. I've done my fair of fair amount of crossbow hunting, but I'm trying. I've tried to do the vertical. Dude, Like last year, I missed the big probably one hundred and fifty in eight point vertical bow just clean missed it, you know, just clean missed. I uh So my problem was this dear I had this year on camera, and the way he was walking out made it seem like he was coming across this food plot. So in my mind, I'm like, I'll see him, I'll stand up in my ladder stand. But he came out behind the feeder, but he would do a big loop and come this way. So at that point he's like thirty yards away. So my it rattled me because I thought it was gonna be different, and then I he was he was thirty, so I'd like stood up and then drew back at the same time rather than like standing out collecting myself. 00:21:32 Speaker 2: So just completely just just completely whifted it. 00:21:35 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, we were filming an episode for our show for Duck dwnas the revival that came out last year, and we were doing a gender reveal which I don't know if you ever saw this, but we. 00:21:47 Speaker 2: Had, so they wanted me to shoot. 00:21:50 Speaker 1: So the storyline as I'm trying to get more involved with Buckerman duckhum in, which I am, and they bought me this target to shoot and its legitimately, so it's like, I'm this is for a gender reveal thing, like my family flies in to set you up. Yes, my family flies in, all of our friends are their camera crew, like this is for national television, and I just I missed three times. 00:22:15 Speaker 2: It sucked, dude. It was so embarrassing because then you raps the first well, well, well the problem was, I. 00:22:22 Speaker 3: Went, were you like twenty yards still high pressure? 00:22:27 Speaker 2: You can't recreate that? 00:22:28 Speaker 4: Well? 00:22:28 Speaker 2: The problem, well, the problem was, and then when you spiral, you're done. Well. 00:22:31 Speaker 1: The problem was I had I only had like six, like six arrows for for this bow. 00:22:36 Speaker 2: So a couple a couple of broken arrow shot arrow before I went out, just to kind of get my feeling. 00:22:43 Speaker 1: And I was two for three, so I shot it for two to three times just to kind of get my bearing straight. 00:22:48 Speaker 2: And then at that point I only have three errows left. Which makes for great television. 00:22:52 Speaker 1: Yes, no, for sure. And they had, they had some say some, they had some good comedic timing on the Good News is too. 00:23:01 Speaker 2: If that happens on our videos, we can edit that. 00:23:04 Speaker 1: That's true, that's true. But it was so I mean it was in this day, it was freezing. I was in a short sleeve shirt, which not making any excuses, but I drew back and I'm like, I was so not confident. So I missed the first time, Miss is IOND. I missed the third time. And then our you know, our camera crew they're all from mostly from LA so they don't they don't have much, honey. They're like, well, can you go to academy get more you know, go get more arrows, But that doesn't really work like that. These are specifically made for the spow. So then we had to have someone go to my house and get my crossbill. Then I shot it with my cross So it was like it's all that to say that it actually scarred me for like probably four months. 00:23:42 Speaker 2: Yeah something spiral. 00:23:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't introduction to target panic right there. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: It really is. You know, I didn't shoot. I didn't go shoot my boat for probably four or six months. 00:23:54 Speaker 1: It's like any time I would draw back, I just wouldn't be stable and it would just give me flashbacks. 00:23:58 Speaker 3: You know, adrop you need to get like a four foot backdrop behind whatever target you have and then you don't lose. 00:24:03 Speaker 4: Your You're sailing arrows in a nowhere and no man's land. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: Well, I'll have to pull up a picture. Maybe I can pull we can show on the podcast. But it's like, yeah, it was this big signage and it was like, you know, a couple of circles and then the middle it was this little hockey puck and it and my third shot I nicked it, but you had to hit it. 00:24:22 Speaker 2: It was it was like it was an explosion. 00:24:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had to hit a dead center, like you know with within this within a two inch to come from. It was because because my problem was I practice, like on my target so much, but. 00:24:36 Speaker 2: I'm not good. I'm better on an animal. 00:24:38 Speaker 3: And if you give me a circle, you know, dice or something, for some reason, I cannot. Yeah, it looks like I've never shot before, but you give me an animal and I'm fine. 00:24:46 Speaker 2: It's I don't know if DoD's what the science mind that is, but. 00:24:50 Speaker 4: Turner would say that that is lack of determinations. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: To when you shoot. 00:24:56 Speaker 1: When you shoot like more of a you know, like a like an animal and it has like the bigger heart read like the bigger lung region. At some point you're like, oh, that's good enough, you know, but when you're aiming for a circle, it's like the. 00:25:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:25:11 Speaker 1: So the problem was in my mind. I thought it was going to be like a two foot balloon. It's like we did that. My daughter could shoot it. We did that with Billings. But now they brought me like a hockey. It was terrible, dude, it was so bad. 00:25:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, I need something like the size of a dinner plate or bigger set me up for success. 00:25:28 Speaker 2: And then yeah, my father in law ragged me. Yeah, and they all bet he actually bet he actually bet. 00:25:34 Speaker 1: One hundred dollars. I was going to hit it and uh I lost him a hundred dollars. 00:25:37 Speaker 2: It was unfortunate. Oh gosh. 00:25:40 Speaker 4: Nobody was gender reveal fever. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: Oh I know, well there gender revealed fever when you know it's being telephoned. So that had an extra element to it. But but it was fun. But all that to say, yes, I do like the bow hunt. Yeah, and I got I got a silencer on my on my Fierce rifle, which is which has been pretty fun this year. 00:26:01 Speaker 4: So yeah, you're in good company with missing like I've missed plenty of times. I wounded one this year. 00:26:10 Speaker 2: I think. 00:26:11 Speaker 4: I Yeah, I only wounded one this year. Uh, and I'm killed the rest of them did not recover one Uh it did die recovered to the next day. So yeah, this year I had a decent year. However, it was the first this year I had a decent year. This year, I had a decent year. I only wounded one. I can't I killed the rest of them, just like one track. 00:26:33 Speaker 2: You were saying you didn't kill anything. 00:26:35 Speaker 4: No, no, no, I did kill So I killed like four. Yeah, I killed like four. 00:26:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you wounded in the out West. Yeah this year, really, yeah, I man nice. The big thing is, I haven't you need a Garrett like under forty yards. 00:26:53 Speaker 3: I'm pretty good at guess, like I'll range trees and whatever. This time I ranged a rocket like fifty two, and he came in front of it, and I thought, and he was small, and Scott was pissed. I already pissed that I shot at him anyway, but he stopped and stood there for too long, and I'm like, I'm gonna take the shot. And you know you're out there with you know, I'd rather come home with something than nothing, you know. 00:27:18 Speaker 2: Out West. 00:27:18 Speaker 3: We were, me and Jeff were just talking about it. Like some guys are like, oh, I pass on whatever. I'm not to the point where I'm gonna pass on something that's legal. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so he came out and stopped. Man, and he was right there, and I guessed him at forty yards he was enough in front of that rock, and he was about forty seven and so on the if you watch the slow moo on the film, like I mean, it was perfect left right and it brisketed him. 00:27:42 Speaker 3: Basically, it was we went found blood tracked blood and it dried up, and then we went back. We looked for about two or three hours at night, couldn't find him. Went back, watched the film. We were like, oh, he's either dead right there or he's gone. Yeah, because it was either heartshot or nothing, and it was too low. 00:27:58 Speaker 2: So we go back the next morning. Could so. Yeah, that haunts you a little bit. But also I'm like, I'm confident he's still alive. Yeah, oh yeah, I wound angry. 00:28:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, this was this was this was like the closest to depression I've been in the long time. 00:28:11 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:28:11 Speaker 1: We uh yeah, so I had this, I'd had this deer and he'd only daylighted a couple of times, and so I'm I'm I'm crossbow hunting. Uh this specific spot Attica. I couldn't get a vertical bow in there, and man, it was just the weirdest thing. I had a good feeling about this day went there when was perfect and at this point this was like, this was late December. I hadn't shot anything all year, and I've probably deer hundred, you know, twenty plus time. I've had probably twenty plus sits at this point. So you know, left, the kids left, the wife, which is you know, it's always it. 00:28:43 Speaker 2: Increases the odds. 00:28:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's what's always like, there's like that guilt fult leaving. 00:28:48 Speaker 3: I thought you met like you didn't bring them this time. No, that that greatly decreases the odds. 00:28:53 Speaker 2: Well, I actually did. 00:28:53 Speaker 1: I I took honey hunting, uh one time, which we shot a dough and it was like the best day of her life. Oh yeah, but she called she called it camoing. She always cameoing. And now my middle child, uh haven she she she was laying her crib and then she said, I want to go shoot a deer with you. I was like, how do you, like, how do you remember that? But so I had this deer walk out and you know, kind of just been wrestling with those things of you know, leaving my kids. You know, we want to be home more. So I'm praying in the deer stand and and I'm and I asked God, I'm like, do you because at this point I was praying that the deer would walk out and that I would have success. Yeah his Wilfrid, Yeah yeah, yeah, but I was praying. I was like I got kind of got at this cross first, and I was like, do you even like it when I asked you for things like this? In the second I prayed that I heard footsteps behind me, and it was like then the full body chills. It was this super It was this weird holy spirit moment. Saw all that to say, this deer walks out, he's at twenty seven and uh so I got him at thirty on my crossbow, hit him low, like right beneath the heart, not much blood. He meal kicked and then we had dogs on him till three in the morning and couldn't couldn't hold my bag. But all that to say, it was such a dagger because it was like this, yeah, it was like this crazy but it was like yeah, yeah, I did a post an Instagram about it, like it's not always about the result, and you know, I think, I think God does meet you along the way. But yeah, it was this crazy moment. It was like this the craziest. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like it was like, wait, maybe he did his part and I didn't do my part. 00:30:25 Speaker 1: But it was always comforting because a few days later I went and shot my crossbend. It was off, so I nicked the scope. I think just getting up in the stand or something so it was comforting that I, you know, it wasn't a bad shot. It was the cross I went and shot shot at twenty It was like three inches low, two inches to the right, which is exactly where I missed, which is where I missed the deer at where I was aiming. So it was a little bit of closure that it was not my fault. 00:30:49 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. 00:30:50 Speaker 1: This is the craziest moment. I've never had anything like that happen. And for some people them, I think that's just coincidence, but it was. It felt pretty spiritual. 00:30:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, it's like I try to make light of it of like missing a deer, dude, like what you said, like it's like total depression. Yeah, it's like deep depression, especially when you wound, when you're like, oh my gosh, because like the one I wounded this year, like for sure killed it and then it just got into a creek. And when he got popped up wherever he did pop up on the other side of the creek, the water probably washed his blood away and so he could have been you know, fifty yards in any direction at that point before he started bleeding again, and I, like grid searched as far as I had access to grid search, and I did not find him, and I like, I mean it passed through him. It was a pretty bloody era. It wasn't great, like he was bleeding when he got in the water, which it wasn't far as like thirty yards for him to get in the water, and then he was bleeding pretty good until then then just like you know, wash it away. And I never found him, like I and I never I had a lot of pictures of him and have a single picture after that one day. And so you're like, I don't like I want to quit hunting, Like I'm I'm quitting. Yeah, I quit hunting every day. 00:32:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've quit the same day and hunted the same day. 00:32:02 Speaker 4: I yes, I have. 00:32:03 Speaker 2: I have quit. 00:32:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I've quit after morning. I have quit hunting after a morning hunting and then hunted the afternoon. For sure have done that. 00:32:12 Speaker 2: Well. 00:32:12 Speaker 1: It is because you feel you feel guilty for the animal, but then also at least for me, I fell that guilty with like with my family at the time. You know, I've put in the time, I didn't execute. The last thing I want to be. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: Is like, hey, can I go back out? 00:32:23 Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, you're like, you know, hey, dude, yeah your shot. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's and it's it's more, it's like a lot of self imposed you know, because most of the time, like most of the time, the most forgiving person is like is my wife. When I come home and I'm like, like I'm already beating myself up about missing the animal. She's like gonna usually be the most forgiving about it. But like I can't forgive myself. I'm like, I waste all this freaking time. I like was out there in the summertime, like planting, I like put it set up the cameras, like I spent all this time I sat with. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: Those cameras are expensive, yeah, selfie, Yeah, I'm crazy. 00:33:04 Speaker 4: And and I hunted, you know, for the last two weeks or whatever. It is, Like you said, you go out there and you're like, oh, this is the time, like it's a great day, and then you and then you miss it or you don't see anything, or you don't or you don't see anything even worse, Yeah, you don't see anything, or or you miss your opportunity, like I'm quitting, Like I'm for sure quitting, and then you're right back in thankfully. 00:33:22 Speaker 2: Thankfully. 00:33:22 Speaker 1: My wife was she was like distraught for me. She was, she was very sad for me. But it got to the point too. So this was like late December. We had Passion conference coming up, and uh, I just I would keep looking at my photos. 00:33:34 Speaker 2: I was videoing it. 00:33:35 Speaker 1: I just was just replaying where the era went and just you know, And finally she was like, hey, you got to stop watching just because I didn't. I would just get like I was just spiraling. 00:33:44 Speaker 2: Yeah. I would be like in a great movie. 00:33:45 Speaker 1: I would just look at my camera just just be so sad, like you gotta do. 00:33:50 Speaker 2: You ever show back up? Or No? He didn't. 00:33:52 Speaker 1: But I think he's alive. But there's the place where hunting out. It's it's a ton of acres. Okay, yeah, I think he's He probably just shut her, but he's definitely like we had, we had dogs on him. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: They just couldn't long enough to just for us to kind of get to him. 00:34:08 Speaker 4: So have you ever have you ever used drones or are you allowed to? 00:34:11 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:34:12 Speaker 1: Yes, we are allowed to. I don't really know how how all those things work. I think there's like certain stipulations, like certain rules, because there are certain things. 00:34:20 Speaker 4: I don't really understand it that well, because, in my opinion, you would think that it would be very helpful. Like if I'm going to use a drone, I guess people, I guess you know, there's good ways and bad ways to look at it, Like if you're going to use a drone, like we're talking to track the deer that I already shot, Like I want to do everything I can to try to find an animal. But then you kind of ride that line of like somebody who's like, oh, I want to look for this deer that I shot, and you call a drone guy out there and he's just like, no, there's no wounded deer. There's just a bunch of deer right here. Like okay, thanks bro, and you just walk out there with your gun. 00:34:50 Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, what. 00:34:52 Speaker 1: I don't really know what what the line is because I know there's I know there's some I don't think. 00:34:56 Speaker 4: You can just some states you can pull it up. 00:34:58 Speaker 2: And then see a bunch of deer go shoot one. 00:35:00 Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's and like I think it has to be the deer you're tracking. Plus I don't know if it's it has to be dead or if it's like I don't really know me either. 00:35:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either. I don't think. 00:35:11 Speaker 2: I don't know if we can even do it. 00:35:12 Speaker 4: I don't know that we can or not. 00:35:14 Speaker 2: I know, West season or something like that. 00:35:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know Western States are really weird about it. 00:35:19 Speaker 2: I know you can't. You can't hunt the same day you fly a drone out West. 00:35:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which I mean I get that. I get what they're trying to But then like, what is what is hunting? What if I already shot that animal and I go and try to make a backup shot because I know it's wounded, you know, it's like it's it gets it gets hairy there. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:35:35 Speaker 4: The other one that, like, I think about a lot, and I haven't asked anybody this question. I'll ask it to you. Guys. See, like you ponder on it, Like what if you shoot a deer and you wound it like bad, but it's not going to die overnight. But it's dark now, and you have another opportunity to shoot it in the dark, in the dark with a flashlight in my spotlighting the deer. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: Now, I guess that's spot you know on my spotlighting? 00:36:02 Speaker 4: Or am I doing my or am I doing my my due diligence of like putting the animal out of it's a misery. Ida've never asked, like, a, I think that's legal. I would think, so, right, it is, okay, I don't know. 00:36:12 Speaker 2: I would guess that it's not. 00:36:15 Speaker 4: We do not know. 00:36:16 Speaker 2: We do not know. 00:36:17 Speaker 4: I just want to pose you guys a question. 00:36:18 Speaker 2: Now, if you were doing that, then you saw another dear. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, look there's blood near him, I would say that's probably not legal. 00:36:28 Speaker 4: But I know I would think it's not. But it's maybe not legal, but it does sound ethical, but it sounds hard to sounds. 00:36:34 Speaker 2: Hard to justify the game warden. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, like logically you would go and do it legally, probably wait till morning. 00:36:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:44 Speaker 1: Plus with things like that, eventually they probably just kind of bleed out. But but if it's not wounded bad enough. 00:36:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, then it will make it. 00:36:50 Speaker 2: Anyways, I don't get chased by ethically. Yes, legally, probably not. Don't take it. I've never done this legally. I've never done that. Eagerly, we are unsure. 00:37:01 Speaker 4: I would never do such a thing. Just read your regulations, sir. 00:37:05 Speaker 2: What do you what are you doing for fitness these days? Man? That's a good question. I saw. 00:37:10 Speaker 3: I did see one of the episodes where you were leading the family workouts in the morning. 00:37:13 Speaker 1: Yep, still I was doing that. Nope, but that did not last long. I actually did just workout with with Willy. It did not last long. He lasted a couple of minutes and then he went back to cooking his dinner. Right now, I'm doing a work out like six days a week, like four like full body kind of more strength focused stuff, and then two days like kind of cardio stuff. So the past couple of weeks it's been like like a like ten minute run. So thirty second, thirty second run, thirty second rest, eight minutes was a I think rower, thirty second rest and six minutes was like kettlebus swings, and then four minutes was some other kind of squat thing. So I've been I've been doing some cardio stuff like that, but mostly mostly just kind of full body strengths with with as much as we're traveling right now and and uh things like that. I like doing kind of full body stuff. I like I like having the cardio aspect of of of doing more kind of circuit stuff, but also like the strength aspect of full body for me is what I feel like works best. 00:38:12 Speaker 4: So yeah, he was saying. He was telling me on the way here that he wants to try to trail across the games athlete. He said, he's ready to take the take the diving across the game. 00:38:18 Speaker 1: I was saying, I was a dark, lonely path. I was telling because we were talking about golf and cross and I was I was saying, I think golf and crossed, it for me, are super compatible to where it's like for me to get good at that. 00:38:28 Speaker 2: It would it would, it would. It would take so much time to do that, and I'll have people trying to do like the competing. 00:38:36 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, well I mean well people are like people up telling you should go, you should try, you should do the cross the games. I was like, first off, you don't just go do the crossing. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: I think you tried when you came that last time, right, Well, I was, I was interested. 00:38:48 Speaker 1: But I can't do a peg board. I can't do a kipping pull up. I can't do a muscle up. 00:38:52 Speaker 2: I can't do that stuff. You it would couple, That's what I said. 00:38:57 Speaker 4: I said, It's it's just like anything else. A couple of months of doing it, you're like, oh, okay, that's how you does. 00:39:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. But but but but I'm saying to get to the level. 00:39:03 Speaker 3: Of like then the law takes to train, Yes, like you could get to where you could definitely do you know, partner or team competition with us at one of these charity events we do. 00:39:13 Speaker 2: But it would be a games athlete. You're howled twenty seven. Yeah, that's that's about when Luke started, didn't he No, I think you. 00:39:22 Speaker 4: Got really serious maybe twenty six, twenty seven got serious. 00:39:25 Speaker 1: What would be like the lowest barrier of entry for like a snatch or like a hand clean or stuff like that. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: Snatch you need to be able now, so like to compete? 00:39:35 Speaker 1: Why I suck at snatching? Like I can't I even I end I could do ninety five. If you could do I don't know. I don't know if I could do one thirty five. It would just But that's what's. 00:39:43 Speaker 3: Good is it would take a little tweaking and you could get there pretty quick. 00:39:48 Speaker 2: If you're I mean, you're an athlete. You played baseball growing up, right, Yeah, Yeah, you'd be fine. 00:39:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, you would figure it out. There would be huge leaps and bounds for like six months and then and then you would dries up. Yeah, y up. And after like what fifteen years, it really drives. Everything goes verse, everything starts going to reverse. 00:40:06 Speaker 1: And I walked in and you're on your bike O here, sweating like a Greek God. 00:40:13 Speaker 2: I just that doesn't take much man. 00:40:15 Speaker 4: Yeahs over here. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: I remember the first time I showed up here. It was like I said, it was five years ago. We were training for the gis Worst Regionals or the game, the game the worst timing ever. Yeah. Yeah, we did, like we're just like come on. We did like a three hour workout and then a lake swim. I was on him. 00:40:32 Speaker 1: I was like, I made it thirty yards and I was like, I'm not, I'm gonna I'm not gonna die here. 00:40:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like I just had. I just had at the lake. Yeah yeah, so I just went inside. 00:40:42 Speaker 4: That's crazy. 00:40:43 Speaker 1: And then we went back and then we did another barn workout and my my, my, my Apple watch. It was like four thousand calories, seven hours of workouts. So I was like, yeah, no, this was I probably could have the. 00:40:57 Speaker 4: Wrong time of year, he said, He goes the last my camera was not the right time. 00:41:01 Speaker 2: What do you mean? He goes. 00:41:02 Speaker 4: It was like a month before the cross. 00:41:04 Speaker 2: It was. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: It was so much fun, But I realized how unskillful I am at those movements if. 00:41:11 Speaker 3: You've not been exposed to him and not had any like formal coaching on him. Yeah, it's and at that time, we were not in coaching mode. Like if you came at a different time of year, yeah, we could all just oh yeah here, do this, do that, do this at that time of year. 00:41:24 Speaker 4: It's like you're running on it. You run on e for like that last time, you know. 00:41:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we're driving up your revenue, your house. I'm like, there's bison, there's beautiful farm land, there's a huge barn, and it's you and Royce And like I'm like, I'm like, what am I doing here? I'm like, it's like to chiseled. 00:41:41 Speaker 2: And Royce is a giant human being. Dude. 00:41:43 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like driving up to three hundred. I was like, what is about to happen? 00:41:48 Speaker 2: What did we do? It was pretty insane? 00:41:51 Speaker 4: So was did I Was I here working out when you were here? Not the whole time? 00:41:55 Speaker 2: I definitely, yes, you showed up. Is that during your hiatus? 00:41:59 Speaker 4: No? He was I just missed the games when he. 00:42:02 Speaker 2: But this was when you started back. You had just started back. 00:42:05 Speaker 4: I think it's twenty one, Yeah, yeah, it was. 00:42:09 Speaker 2: It was. 00:42:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, so because I was, I was probably halfway in HAPPI you're still remember I do remembers meeting out here his brief because that wasn't training with everyone. Yeah, you really hit it at the because that's when I dropped off. And I remember seeing Luke every day and like because he was you know, he was new. That was his first full year. I'm like he looked like he had seen it. Ghost last month. 00:42:31 Speaker 2: Was Luke and then Sam and just some absolute beasts. 00:42:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was, there was a big group this was. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely jumped in on the deep end. Yeah. Yeah, there was no that was no different, there was no no, that was just straight to the fire. It's just straight deepened it is. 00:42:50 Speaker 4: It is cool because not a lot of people have ever seen something like that, have ever had access to like those guys like in the peak of their training. Yeah, and obviously are immune to it, Like it's not like it's not weird. Like all right, you know June July is here, you ain't gonna see you to talk to those guys like they're gonna be you know, they're they're gonna be dead. And then when they finished training, they're gonna go home and eat the show back up, Like there's not gonna be much to it. It is a really cool time, though, Like when you look back on it about like just the the stuff that we're doing during that time. 00:43:23 Speaker 1: Volume in those days, and I'm like, holy yeah, because I was because I was staying with you when I came and after one of the workouts we went to the house and you're just pounding like lucky. 00:43:32 Speaker 3: Charms and Royce is eating a whole giant Like I was like, this goes against everything I've been led to believe. Yeah, back in the five hundred carbs a day this season. 00:43:45 Speaker 2: I was like, see I can eat the doughnut. Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 00:43:50 Speaker 4: That's what we were talking about to like coming up here, like the balance of you as an athlete. You start to and you know, we're definitely this way, like you don't have to be super dogmatic about the things that you're thinking about because like about your food and your sleep, because you are so in tune with your body just like through life, Like there are people that need to track their food. There are people who need to see their sleep, and I think it's good for a season for almost everybody to get an idea like what does it take to like fuel your body for this amount of work, and then what it takes for how much sleep do I need? Or how do I feel? And then like I feel like once you do it for long enough, you can like auto regulate, Like. 00:44:27 Speaker 2: I know I for the most part, it's you. 00:44:30 Speaker 1: That's what I was on him, was like because I've I've been in those situations where like the most disciplined I've been in my life from a physical health nutrition standpoint was for me, when I felt the least like the least amount of freedom was when I was the most disciplined and most most dogmatic in it because because because it it does. I think there is something psychological about just overthinking certain things to where like you know, obviously you guys are different. If if you're training to compete in something like that, there is an element to it. But at least for me, I found it was easy for me to idolize what I looked like on all the certain things when I'm not going out with friends to dinner because I'm eating chicken I'm eating, I'm weighing my rice and sweet potatoes and but but on the surface, I was super disciplined. But but internally I was just I was I was hostage in it. And now I'm you know, I work out primarily just to protect my family and it's been an outlet for me spiritually, and I'm not I'm not worrying about the cookie you eat at night, or I'm not I'm not worrying about the doughnut that I get taking my daughter to school and things like that. So yeah, I mean, I think I think there's a given to take. But at least for me in my life, the more hard, the more straight I've been on those things, Uh, it's been less on the. 00:45:46 Speaker 3: On the flip side of that, I would say, you know, we've you know, hearing you talk. I love the like, hey, yeah, I want to be able to protect my family and stuff. But I think, man, and what you're doing too with with the leading dudes and and doing the devotional stuf. But also, man, I think it'd be cool every once in a while I'll throw in, like train for a five K train for you know, some type of something we're training for this hunt out West. Yeah, just give you a you know, something to push towards because man, I for me personally, I know he's still competing now that I've stepped away from the high level competition and just having that one goal all throughout the year, and that's why I was where the second Samuel is gonna come back in is like having something, you know, I've got that. I'm trying to be ready for September always, that's my like super Bowl of the year, my big training thing. But I still need like check ins, right, Yeah, and so I am doing that Iron Man in November, so that'll kind of like it's like a dual purpose September November training thing. But like I've got we just finished that twenty four hour run, Gonna do a twenty four hour mountain bike, Gonna do three CrossFit competitions? 00:46:52 Speaker 2: Was a twenty four hour run? Was it you want in next year? Well, well, you don't ask the details. Do you want to inter out? I went in, Okay, you got a friend that would do it with you? 00:47:01 Speaker 4: You think, yeah, run, walk, it doesn't have to be you do one and it's actually really fun. 00:47:06 Speaker 2: It's a good mental test. 00:47:07 Speaker 3: There you go, there's first thing, all right, so we've got three we've got three miles of trails here, three miles there, three two one go. We're gonna start at three pm. Next year when we do it, we did six pm. 00:47:17 Speaker 2: This year was not smart. 00:47:19 Speaker 3: So you go out, you run three miles, come back in. Your partner takes off and does those three miles. While he's out there, you get one attempt at max unbroken bench at one fifty five. Okay, when he gets back, you take off, you do this loop. There's another three ish mile loop. When you get back, you bench, he benches whatever. He does that loop. You both finished both loops. 00:47:41 Speaker 2: You start back on this one, and you just keep doing that for twenty four hours. Every two hundred bench. 00:47:46 Speaker 1: You get like for fun and for charity or yeah, well yes, but I know, I know there's like a charitable Oh yeah, we can add a charitable This is just like just for fun. 00:47:57 Speaker 3: This year we should like yeah, this year was kind of a late like late bloom. We were like, oh, let's just do it right. We did have a buddy that was raising some money for one of his buddies daughters that has yeah. 00:48:06 Speaker 2: What did she have? I can't remember which. 00:48:10 Speaker 3: She's got something and some some similar to autism. But next year, Yes, we have a charity. But and so for every two hundred bench you get, you get to add a lap to your run or walk. 00:48:23 Speaker 2: Mainly you're gonna walk in the middle of the night. Yeah, there's a there's a lot of walking. Would you would you want to add a lap or subtract the la? 00:48:29 Speaker 4: Sorry, no, you get to your total laps. No, you don't have to do another. 00:48:37 Speaker 2: It adds a lap to your score. Okay, okay, it's trying to even out all the runners with some bench you know. 00:48:41 Speaker 4: Which did help actually was pretty even. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:48:44 Speaker 4: It did help help the teams who are stronger. They did catch up with the really really good runners. 00:48:49 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:48:49 Speaker 1: And the last thing I trained for was the five hundred squad five minute mile. 00:48:54 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you get it. I did the five hundred, but I ran a five o seven. 00:48:59 Speaker 4: It was dude that those seven seconds are hard to get down. 00:49:04 Speaker 2: So so it's like the same thing we're at. 00:49:06 Speaker 1: We're at our local track, like all my my wife's there, you know, all my all. 00:49:10 Speaker 2: My all, my friends. 00:49:13 Speaker 1: Thankfully this one was on after this one. This this one is on YouTube. So I'm I'm I'm I'm certain on this last let I probably have twenty yards and I'm not lying to you. When I say my legs, it's like. 00:49:27 Speaker 4: You can't even move there, numb. 00:49:28 Speaker 2: It's almost it's. 00:49:29 Speaker 1: Almost like the scene in cars when like lightning the queen blows that, you know, and he's like, just so, I'm like, my legs, I start like my knees legitimately give out. 00:49:38 Speaker 2: So I start like kind of running like this. 00:49:40 Speaker 1: I get to the fin I dive to the finished line, somersault roll. My back is completely tore up, and we're on this turf, this turf field, and I start projectile vomiting everywhere, and. 00:49:52 Speaker 2: I'm like, don't look at me. But it was so depressing. 00:49:56 Speaker 1: Because I was, you know, seven eight seconds off of it, and that was one those things too, is like it was so brutal. Yeah, And I was like, plus I got terrible shin splints from doing it. Oh yeah, which shin's plant. It's like the worst pain. So I had to say that was the last thing. But I did a high Rocks last year with the Buddy, So that was the last thing I technically trainedform Let's get the sub five minute mile thing. It about killed me. 00:50:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, how did you terrible? Uh you didn't talk to Adam Klink about the. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: Yeah he was he ive his plan. 00:50:26 Speaker 4: Yet Okay really because I actually, I mean, I wasn't training for it. I just remember when he did it back in the day. I just like, hey, dude, like yeah, just like, hey, man, like I'd like to see that program. He goes, oh, yeah, for sure, you just sent it to me. So I did it for a while. I'll never do either of these things. 00:50:39 Speaker 2: But you could probably run sub five. I could run. 00:50:41 Speaker 4: I could run the sub five. I guess squad four seventy five. I'm tapped out four seventy five. I'm tapped out that even with I have to gain twenty pounds, so I would have and I wouldn't be on then I wrote and be able to run the mile. My frame is not meant to squat file under. 00:50:56 Speaker 1: PA Well, and the problem too is like I I wanted a squad first and then run, which I don't know if it'd been different if I ran first and the squat. 00:51:02 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:51:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, because because I know, because because for me it was like I don't want to try to run, because because I know I could squad off, but I didn't want to try to do the mile and then just be like just done. 00:51:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you said, Yeah, I thought. 00:51:16 Speaker 1: I thought it was extra motivation if i'd squat and then you know, kind of have some hype of energy. 00:51:21 Speaker 4: But it didn't use it all for that. 00:51:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I was not successful because I. 00:51:25 Speaker 4: Think I ran like right out of five ten and just the thought of those ten seconds are like so daunting. That's so much, it's so much effort. 00:51:34 Speaker 2: Oh, it was terrible. 00:51:35 Speaker 4: No, that's cool. Yeah, because I had a feeling that you would have followed his program. Thought it's a good program. 00:51:39 Speaker 1: I was a great b Yeah, me and him were close at the time. Yeah, he sent it over to me, and yes, it was you. You ran Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and then you back squad of Tuesday Thursday. I don't remember it was. 00:51:50 Speaker 4: I've gone back to it a couple of times. It's just really good, like it's a yeah, he did a great job with it, and obviously he did it, so I mean, I mean it works, it works for someone. He really was close for you too, so that was cool. 00:52:00 Speaker 2: I know the seven seconds man. 00:52:02 Speaker 4: Dude, how much when you did it, Uh. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: Like probably two o seven. I'm like two thirty right now. 00:52:10 Speaker 4: Five seven for two. 00:52:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's impressive. 00:52:14 Speaker 4: That is impressive, thank you. 00:52:15 Speaker 2: Yes, I was probably two ten. 00:52:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you did You did a high Rocks last year? 00:52:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, did a high Rocks last year with my buddy Andrew East And uh, it was the same thing, dude. 00:52:26 Speaker 2: It was just brutal. Yeah. 00:52:28 Speaker 1: I never well because I hadn't done he had. He had just done a Vegas one like probably a month before. And the way my you know, so I didn't do like a like a like a simulate, like a simulation one before it. 00:52:41 Speaker 2: I just I'll just show up and do it. 00:52:43 Speaker 1: And the thing for me that was so tough was most of you know, most training stuff, whether it's an am rapper, a met con like yeah or uh you know things like that, you have some sort of rest interval, right, so whether it's E mom or am rap like. So I would do a lot of stuff like that, but you're still resting. So for me, the hardest thing was just the continual running because usually it's like you'll run here, you go rest a minute, then you'll get me to think, but it's like no, it's just. 00:53:09 Speaker 3: You just run and then you're almost higher intensity at the stations. 00:53:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're splitting it so. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: For me, So for me, the problem running that's the problem is it's just not the problem. The one thing I don't like about high Rocks is the stations. The stations just multiply the running fatigue. 00:53:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the problem is if you're a make it a three fifteen deadlifting there every once in a while. 00:53:31 Speaker 1: We well, the problem is the problem is if if you're a guy that can run a five minute pace versus the guy that runs a six thirty, you can you add that over eight kilometers. It's like, this is matter how good I am at farmer carriers, it doesn't matter how many, how how fast it roun make up so much. 00:53:46 Speaker 2: Can't make up the time, you know. So that is my problem with it higher Rocks. 00:53:51 Speaker 1: If you're listening, I have no credibility or legitimacy to say this, but that is the problem is like it is such a runners sport because like I said, you can't make up that time doing broad jumps. You can't make of that time doing long enough to make it time. 00:54:05 Speaker 2: And there's no like there's no real strength. And the thing was so we went out so hot. 00:54:09 Speaker 1: On that first mile, I was feeling great, and then we did those ski ergs and I was the next hour, I was at one seventy five. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: I could I could not get my heart right coming down from that. I was getting those stations and you know, I was, I would I would have. 00:54:22 Speaker 1: Others was dumping it on me and then uh my wife was there cheering me on the sidelines. 00:54:27 Speaker 2: But I was like, I'm not cut out for this. But that's one of those things too. 00:54:31 Speaker 1: It's like, if I actually wanted to get good of that, I wouldn't need to drop. 00:54:35 Speaker 2: Wait, I would have to drop. Which we came in. 00:54:40 Speaker 1: It was decent placing, but I was joking saying, like being the height we are plus the weight where I was, I think we would have been like top. I think we would have technically maybe one if if you had the height and the weight is. 00:54:53 Speaker 2: An advantage a little bit. That's true. Wait for sure, I get it. They should have a Clydesdale. They really should. Yeah, they do, like triathons and stuff. They do. 00:55:03 Speaker 4: I mean, but that's like, that's a good example. Like what you just said. The running back squad and then the High Rocks they are good great examples of like stuff you different stuff that you can train for that we use throughout the year like he does or I will, and like I think you actually you would really enjoy if you like stuff like that, you would enjoy the kind of crossway competition that we do, like like we do a partner competition in August, and like you don't have to be an elite athlete to go do it. You just basically like once you it gives you the want to, Like like you said, I don't know if I can snatch on thirty five, It gives you the want of like I kind of want to snee, Like what can I snatch? I don't have to be across a games athlete, but I can go and compete and have fun and you're gonna get fitter doing that. And then there's those stepping stones to getting to like an end goal like he said for September, Like you have those few stepping stones and they're all along this fitness path like one may be more strength bias, one may be more you know, cardio aerobic bias. And then like at the end of the year, you're like, oh man, I kind of built a decent training plan across the year where like you know, for across the games athlete at least, uh, you're gonna you're gonna do the same thing. You know, you're gonna send spend two or three months work on your strength. You're gonna spend two or three months working on like your overall met cons and then two or three months work on your aerobic stuff. So it's a it's the same thing. It almost keeps it like something fresh to train for. Yeah, there's always something a little different, and then you end up, you know, by the end of the year, you go, dang, like I kind of rode that high and low of the fitness and I like at the end of the year you're like, man, I kind of maintained that just base level of really good fitness all year. 00:56:28 Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. 00:56:29 Speaker 4: And it makes it more fun too, because. 00:56:30 Speaker 1: You gets me what you guys are able to do. It's it's super inspiring, It's it's really cool. I think I think sometimes for me it's that it's that intimidation of like, yeah, of like, because I'm such a competitive person, it's like for me to get good at that oh yeah thing, I think it. 00:56:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it turned it off for a little bit like I don't want to. 00:56:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially now after having kids and all those kind of things, to me, that barrier to entry seems a little, oh yeah, a little more difficult than it was five years. 00:56:57 Speaker 2: Ago for sure. 00:56:58 Speaker 3: For sure, you having kids change his perspective and a lot of that stuff. I mean, honestly, if that's not your living and you're not making a great living doing CrossFit anyway, you know, it's not worth it. The juice isn't worth the squeeze. 00:57:07 Speaker 1: But I do think it helps kind of like what we talked about that the idea of aesthetics versus you. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: Know, training for something. 00:57:13 Speaker 1: I do think training for something kind of negates that just training to look good and yeah, you know be you know, walk down the beach, you feel good about yourself. So I do think setting a goal and training for something helps kind of combat that I'm. 00:57:25 Speaker 2: Just gonn go to the gym just to try to do. 00:57:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, set a goal, set a goal, setting a fitness goal. 00:57:31 Speaker 1: It's going to be I gotta think of a new goal. That's a good question. You said on you said running across that. So those are two things that are outside of my comfort zone. 00:57:38 Speaker 2: That's I mean Honestly, the only reason we did that twenty four hour and the only reason I'm doing that iron Man is because those are two about as far out of my comfort zone. No, I wouldn't say comfort zone, but those are things I do not want to comfort zone. Yeah, I don't want to do those things. You've done high rocks, have you? No? I probably won't. You should. It's honestly, if the wall balls were the first thing, I probably would be the last one. 00:57:57 Speaker 3: I don't know if I can squat that many times. I've a running that much. My knee just gets so swollen and full fluid that I can't get believed it. 00:58:04 Speaker 2: But nobody does. 00:58:05 Speaker 1: Partner one and you can do ten, He'll do ninety there, Yeah, you can do it. 00:58:10 Speaker 2: Yeah a partner Yeah, here we go. 00:58:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just you know, I we we've jokingly come up with our own version where it's like strength rocks. 00:58:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do we call it? Hold on? I got all the I've got all the stations. 00:58:21 Speaker 4: It's actually really it sounds really fol it. 00:58:23 Speaker 2: Would be fun. It's all the people that can start something. 00:58:27 Speaker 3: You can got one thousand meter ski twenty power snatch at one thirty five twenty power cleans at two twenty five. These are the stations obviously run between twenty deadlifts at two at three fifteen, twenty ring muscle ups, twenty burpee box get overs a row, and then one hundred wallballs because at least there's like. 00:58:44 Speaker 2: Okay, a little bit kill strength. 00:58:45 Speaker 3: So and you got stations like if you can't power snatch one thirty five or snatch one thirty five, you could do ninety five for. 00:58:52 Speaker 2: Forty reps, like you just double the reps. 00:58:54 Speaker 3: You can't do the weight, yeah, and then like if you can't do ring muscle ups, you do forty people. 00:58:58 Speaker 1: And then would women be like two twenty five, Yeah, everything will go ninety five fifty five twenty five. 00:59:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, I could follow the women one you do if you do that, you have to do well. I could, I could, I could do, I could do. You should have to do the double the rep station at that one. 00:59:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, the snatch would be difficult the two twenty five. 00:59:13 Speaker 3: Honestly, dude, with if you snatched with us for a day, you would. 00:59:18 Speaker 2: Snatch one thirty five. Okay, yeah, okay, almost get tomorrow we will work on you snatch. You heard it here. First we're gonna snatch one thirty five. We will do it tomorrow for sure. Cool man. Yeah, let's uh, let's get on hunt together. Maybe it's fall man. I appreciate you. I appreciate you having me do a high rocks. We should do a high Rocks together. There we go. That'd be fun. There we go. Let me get up, get through this, iron Man. Maybe next year running shave with. 00:59:42 Speaker 4: Some stuff with high rocks, so you'll be in running SHADEO. You're perfect. It'll be great. It'll be great to follow up after. 00:59:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, this highly ronic. After man, I'll start running more and we can train for There we go. All right, you heard it here. You can help me with all the other stuff and I can help you with the wall I'll do. Yeah, there we go. There we go. Cool thanks for having Yeah man, when's devotional stuff come out? As you say, hopefully, June. 01:00:03 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm I'm I'm I'm wrapping up finish them now that I got to edit it, and then I got a buddy kind of gonna graphic design and put it together. So that got my website. So it's four dot eight men podcast dot com. I think that's it. Actually, no, shoot, sorry, that was the podcast Hunt. 01:00:21 Speaker 2: There we go. 01:00:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, so the website is four eight dot men so you can spell it out f O U R e I g h T dot man. Yes, sir, I got I got the podcast in my Instagram handle. 01:00:32 Speaker 2: Website is for an Instagram handle is four dot eight men podcast. Got you cool? Appreciate it? Okay man, have you