00:00:00 Speaker 1: We walked six steps and birds is hammering the little bars. 00:00:03 Speaker 2: How about this? If you're hunting, buddy, he packs nothing. Yeah, oh, and eat your food you want to. 00:00:12 Speaker 1: You've never eating your food. 00:00:13 Speaker 2: I've taken you have food. 00:00:15 Speaker 1: I've taken water and left the full water in my pack. That way, if we needed more, I'm the one carrying it. I've never borrowed food, not once. That's true. I'll give you that you got something. I don't want to open up a whole nother bar man. Just give me for drinking that out here. The steaks are real. Effective Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is In Pursuit, brought to you by Mount Numps in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt Dodds. What's on tap for this episode? 00:01:13 Speaker 3: Don't procrastinate. 00:01:15 Speaker 1: Don't procrastinate, so don't start shooting the week before. 00:01:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, September, When was the last. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: Time you shot a bow? 00:01:25 Speaker 2: Well, I just got technically just got one. There was a while when I was without. 00:01:33 Speaker 4: There's the board of this story. 00:01:34 Speaker 3: We'll leave it. 00:01:35 Speaker 4: We'll leave it off though. 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I didn't have one. 00:01:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. 00:01:38 Speaker 3: But it's true you didn't. 00:01:39 Speaker 2: And I was a team player because I gave mine away. 00:01:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, before, are you really a team player if you call yourself a team player? 00:01:44 Speaker 2: Though, I feel like I was being a team player by giving one. 00:01:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, but once again, you call yourself a team player. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: Moses was the most humble man alive. 00:01:52 Speaker 1: That's what he said, and he wrote it. 00:01:55 Speaker 4: John Jesus Jesus loved it. Yes, so it. 00:01:59 Speaker 3: Happens if only bird can tell you. 00:02:01 Speaker 1: That like disqualifies you. You can't give yourself your own nickname. 00:02:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, Moses did it. 00:02:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got to earn your nicknames around here. 00:02:09 Speaker 1: Humble, bragg, Dodds, duds mm hmm. 00:02:13 Speaker 2: But I did just get a boat. Well, I got an old boat back. 00:02:17 Speaker 1: You got your bow back? Yeah, we do. There was a lot of like shuffling of bows depending on. 00:02:22 Speaker 2: If Rory was supposed to go on that Alaska hunt. 00:02:24 Speaker 1: And so that's that bow. 00:02:26 Speaker 2: I gave the last bow I had. I gave that boat to Rory for that hunt. 00:02:31 Speaker 4: Just a you're in a gape fellow. 00:02:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, the bow that I washed his people's feet. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: The boat I have now is probably. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: One or two before that, the one that you missed the deer. 00:02:46 Speaker 2: Yes, is it? 00:02:47 Speaker 4: It is? 00:02:49 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't need that. 00:02:50 Speaker 1: I thought that's why you got rid of it. I thought that's you said it was cursed. 00:02:55 Speaker 4: That's fine that you're just mad. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was pretty. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: I've never once given you ship about it until just now. I feel like the like statue limitation after three. 00:03:05 Speaker 2: Years, i'd probably rather what's the statue? 00:03:09 Speaker 1: Need? 00:03:09 Speaker 2: I need a couple of weeks before you one on one is fine? Now you just put it so. 00:03:14 Speaker 4: It's kind of work the worst way publicly. 00:03:17 Speaker 5: Hey, I've never like national, I did never make fun of you, but Bird, you really screwed up that time. 00:03:23 Speaker 1: LEAs. It's not on video. 00:03:24 Speaker 4: Yeah I did that, you know on video. 00:03:26 Speaker 3: What's the statute of limitations on being made fun of something? 00:03:30 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:03:30 Speaker 4: I don't know if there's depends on depends on the thing. It's tough. 00:03:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're already spiraling like you have missed an animal or wound an animal you need at least yeah, the next season maybe I'd say a week a week a week, man, I still spiral on the the one I missed with the born and Raised. 00:03:53 Speaker 4: Guys hasn't even yeah formula which our version of that video? 00:03:58 Speaker 3: Have we? I'm sorry? 00:03:59 Speaker 1: Did we put our version of that video out? 00:04:02 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:04:03 Speaker 1: Did we? 00:04:03 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:04:04 Speaker 1: I'm not seeing it. 00:04:06 Speaker 3: It's a good one. 00:04:07 Speaker 4: Is that the clip you posted or you made? 00:04:09 Speaker 1: No, that was that was first first I but that was That's a good clip, A good clip. Well done. We'll put together. 00:04:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was great. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: All right, seasons starting to come together for us, trying to figure all that out. Yeah, it's not really come together at always have to draw some tags. 00:04:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, draw the tags. 00:04:25 Speaker 1: Really that's about But everything's put in? Is anything open? 00:04:28 Speaker 3: Still? 00:04:28 Speaker 1: DoD said this by this time, this goes out. 00:04:31 Speaker 3: Colorado Western last one. 00:04:34 Speaker 1: You can do a lot of stuff Eastern, I bet still but. 00:04:36 Speaker 3: A lot of OTC tags so you don't have to obviously draw. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: Th what states? Can you still OTC. 00:04:41 Speaker 3: Tag Colorado for rifle non residents and it's no longer archery ot No, you have to draw for non residents. And then I believe so Montana has a general season, but you have to draw for it back up. 00:04:59 Speaker 1: If you miss the draw, sometimes there's leftover tags. 00:05:02 Speaker 3: Correct, but I wouldn't count on that, No, no, no. 00:05:05 Speaker 1: But it's still very confusing because I remember last year when we went out there for rifle there were still leftover Yeah. 00:05:11 Speaker 3: So if you draw it and you don't want it, it puts over the leftover lists in his first come, first surf. It usually those goes pretty darn. 00:05:20 Speaker 1: Quick if people know how to work the system correct. People like me, who are an idiot do not. 00:05:24 Speaker 3: Right. Therefore, Yeah, I know like Oregon and Utah have some form of a general season OTC tags, but I don't know enough to speak on it. 00:05:33 Speaker 1: Then there's I know there's a late season mule deer in Arizona. 00:05:36 Speaker 3: That oh yeah, that one is very OTC because it's a tough hunt. Like I know, my friend Stephen Drake, he's a pretty well known photographer in the space. He goes every single year for months, and I think he got his first one like year five of going down there. It's a tough hunt. There's a reason why they give so many tags, gotcha. 00:06:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so you should within the next couple of weeks, probably have your where you're going. 00:06:08 Speaker 3: You're playing together or a little Yeah, you'll know your results and then you can you know, plan accordingly from there. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: Ye. Yeah, so usually that's by win. 00:06:17 Speaker 3: You'll have a really good idea of what your years looking right, looking like around June, Yeah, June. 00:06:24 Speaker 5: So June, July, August, if you're hunting in September, you're hunting, let's see, yeah, let's just assume you're putting in for September. Yeah, you know the saying, uh, June, July and August, you'll have June, July and August to kind of hone in everything, not just well you're shooting, you're a quick. 00:06:43 Speaker 1: Right back up, we're gonna go ahead. The obvious is you need to start getting in shape. 00:06:46 Speaker 3: Now. 00:06:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can do that. 00:06:49 Speaker 5: You shouldn't doing that anyways, Yeah, you should do that anyways. You know, if you're putting in for any hunt, you know that you're going to try to go on some kind of hunt, you should just be getting in shape. 00:06:57 Speaker 1: You should not be doing the Billings method where you just show up, yeah and you try to hunt. 00:07:03 Speaker 3: Listen to the podcast about training you around, training. 00:07:06 Speaker 1: Around see that episode. So now we're just gonna talk gear prep stuff, planning stuff, those types of things. 00:07:14 Speaker 3: I'd say first and foremost, kicking it off, like get work off, Like understand your scheduling, pick the dates, solidify and communicate it to the people in your life accordingly. 00:07:23 Speaker 1: Communicate it to your boss and your other boss, your wife. Yeah, we have a calendar. It's called the big ass Calendar. It's on the wall. It's the whole year, and I will write things out nine months in advance. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: This is in your house, is in our house. 00:07:43 Speaker 1: And my wife does not look at it, and she's like, you didn't tell me. I'll be like, I told you nine months ago, I told you six months ago. I do it in likeables up until three months and then I go I think it's monthly, and then two months out of go weekly and she still is mad. So work probably first, and then make sure with the wife that hey, this is what's going on. 00:08:08 Speaker 2: Mike has sent me the post from the hunt camp when it came out. 00:08:12 Speaker 1: Oh, she's like, oh, so you're gonna be here? 00:08:14 Speaker 2: Are you going to this? 00:08:16 Speaker 1: Say? Hey, yeah, I'll take a kid. 00:08:18 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, but Chi's gonna come, So it's fine. 00:08:22 Speaker 1: It's free. You know which, I'm fine, I'd rather take Like I took my kids, all three of my kids this weekend so Hillary could not complain that we were going Like, no, I got them all. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: It's easy. 00:08:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're assuming September, ELK. So you have once you know where you're hunting. You were at that point. Now you have three months. You have a quarter of the year to kind of you have a quarter of the year to figure out what you need to get, what you need to get together, and what you should be doing for your fitness if you need. 00:08:58 Speaker 4: To dial that up. Luckily we take the guesswork out. 00:09:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, and depends on your level. You don't want to wait till July. 00:09:05 Speaker 5: No, definitely not, you don't. I don't even think you want to wait until till June. Like I think I mean for fitness for sure, even for your gear like shooting, Like it's not that hard to take ten minutes and shoot a few arrows. Not every single day. But let's just say. You know the rule about reading your Bible, if you read it more days than you don't, there's a statistic on that yet. Yeah it's four days a week. Yeah, you read it more often than you don't. It's like, like, isn't it like metal, It's like mental health, like like a metric. Yeah, so like you're more likely to uh to do obviously do better on your hunt if you are shooting somewhat consistently shooting for shooting five arrows and a ten to fifteen minute window different times a week. 00:09:49 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:09:50 Speaker 1: What do we think about the overlap between bow and rifle? So it's a little bit harder for guys probably girls to go to the rifle range. Do we think there's some crossover with just you know, if hey, I didn't get an archery tag er, maybe archery is not my deal. I want a rifle hunt. Do we think there's some crossover. 00:10:10 Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff got accuracy, just. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: The whole process. I mean, if you talk to Joel, it's the exact same. You know, if you've got a crossbow, if you've got a twenty two even you can still think around a little bit. 00:10:24 Speaker 3: I'd say my train of thought is I want two hundred rounds through that gun before opening down to two hundred. Yeah, that's a lot, man, I mean it's only a couple of cases. 00:10:36 Speaker 2: The price per round these days, man, how much shoot us Yeah, I know you were. 00:10:42 Speaker 3: I know you had it like that fifty bullets a case, that's four cases. It's not that bad. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: What gun are you shooting? Mine? Coming twenty What gun are you shore? You shooting an ar. 00:10:52 Speaker 3: Well, I'm shooting a nine mail I reload, but. 00:11:00 Speaker 5: Okay, so he's anyway. No, I really do like the method of So yeah, I mean, I guess I would. I would side with you what you're saying about the process of everything of shooting your bro because you hear people all the time, like you just said, like with a twenty two, if you have a twenty two, it's not really the same rifle, but it's the same process absolutely. So like if you get that twenty two out, you definitely are saving money by not shooting. 00:11:23 Speaker 4: Not expensive to get the AMMO unless you're. 00:11:26 Speaker 1: You should definitely be shooting your rifle. Yeah, you know, if you're a good amount, I would say, if you're going, you know, out west, you're putting all this money in, why would you not practice that exist? Yeah, you know, ten to twelve times between in four or five months. Yeah, for sure, a bit excessive, but it's. 00:11:48 Speaker 3: Call it one hundred four buckshire going you're going. 00:11:53 Speaker 2: Through established there's twenty rounds in a case. 00:11:56 Speaker 3: Okay, well, depending on how big your cases you're going through at. 00:11:59 Speaker 1: Least as a ba's that the dots has a big case. 00:12:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I I like to before each season, I like to put like two box. I like to put forty rounds through my gun if I can, uh, and then not every season. I do that like if I've shot the gun for several years. 00:12:19 Speaker 2: In a row. 00:12:20 Speaker 4: I'm one. 00:12:21 Speaker 5: If you shoot like I do, you're still gonna miss. So you might as well not even shoot it at all. But uh, shoot only your bow. But uh no, I I mean I guess. Yeah, I put about forty rounds through it every year, So I mean every year. I'm saying at least that couple of weeks before. But try to do it on a consistent basis. It's the same thing like with your fitness. If you do it on a consistent basis, it's like reading your Bible. It's like it's all the same thing. If you get into a rhythm of doing it, you're gonna be better at doing it. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: Also, don't do it from prone concrete. 00:12:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, please your positions, please. 00:12:54 Speaker 3: Change it up. You're not going to have that shot in the field. Always understand that if there's stage, you know, sage in the area, you're always going to have that awkward like foot to foot in the half that you need to clear. Bipods are a really good option, you know, mess with those. Understand that you're not going to take a prone shot perfectly level. 00:13:14 Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, don't be the guy like week before. Yeah, man, I ain't shot this rifle. I don't even know if it's sighted. 00:13:22 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, last time I had it, I you know, I traveled to I traveled across the country and kind of drop it dropped? 00:13:29 Speaker 4: Did I put in the truck bed. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: On the side by side? 00:13:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't, don't, guy. I mean that's it's the same thing with all of it, right, Like. 00:13:39 Speaker 1: Uh, well, get to know your gear too, you know, if it's a new rifle, if it's a new site, you know, are you gonna need the sun cover on it or you're gonna need those types of things. I feel like us a bow archery is way easier to just walk out in the yard and hit something or be shooting. I think I agree with that, and you know, as archery, I always say that I I am an equal opportunity hunter, but I prefer archery. That rifle at times does take the back burner. I'm like, I'll get to that when it gets to season. 00:14:15 Speaker 3: I know when I like my past cow elk hunt, like I was shooting my rifle very regularly, and man, I was confident in that thing. Like I said, Okay, if there's a cow under five hundred yards, I'm very very confident. If it's you know, seven eight hundred, I'll probably just try to get closer. But I just, I don't know. I felt so much better with my system and knowing you know, Murphy's law, like what can go wrong will go wrong. It happened, but I still understood that if push came to show I can take a longer shot that I'm used to. 00:14:49 Speaker 1: Also know where you site your rifle in versus the altitude you will be hunting in. Did not take that into account in Colorado this year, citing it in thousand feet above sea level and then shooting at ten thousand feet. There's a pretty big difference there. So once then what you do you have to I think it's ten percent you change your moa ten percent I think per thousand feet of elevation. I used why I would look it up maybe one percent per I think it might have been one percent per because I think we ended up adjusting at ten percent. I don't quote me on that. There's calculators and all that type of stuff. 00:15:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I use the Applied Ballistics app right before a hunt, and I just asked, you know, whoever's local looking up at my garment, what's the glocal altitude? And I just put it in my app and it it tracks it accordingly and that helps. Yep. 00:15:39 Speaker 1: Stupidly did not do that. 00:15:41 Speaker 4: So uh yeah, that, I mean all that matters practicing, So. 00:15:45 Speaker 1: Your weapon, make sure you know your weapon, whatever you're gonna shoot, make sure you're practicing on that, what gear you're gonna wear, knowing the weather, the weather history, but then also having kind of an outlier though the first year we went, first year we went second for you, for here, for me in Gunnison, it was seventy degrees the first two days and then day three it or day four whatever it was, it snowed twelve inches. Yeah, at least in September, seventy degrees the first two days, like full sweat, and then never got above twenty four degrees something like that. 00:16:20 Speaker 3: Before you guys got Yeah, Steve and I were hunting in shorts. 00:16:25 Speaker 1: It was that hot man. So make sure you do some research on the weather, what kind of gear you're gonna need from even. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: That, I wasn't the forecast. 00:16:36 Speaker 1: No, so you didn't know. No. 00:16:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's kind of like just be prepared to be prepared. 00:16:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't. 00:16:43 Speaker 4: It was a big one. 00:16:44 Speaker 3: Oh, it was, Yeah, a. 00:16:46 Speaker 4: Big one that we talked. 00:16:47 Speaker 2: Look at the forecast, Yeah, look at the forecast. 00:16:50 Speaker 4: You prepared, and then maybe prepare a little extra too. 00:16:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, wearing your boots or you. 00:16:57 Speaker 1: I don't Vivo's are are, Yeah, they're fine. 00:17:01 Speaker 5: But your but you wear the shoes all the time and they're very similar to it. If your boots are very different from what you're used to wearing. 00:17:08 Speaker 2: Boots can't get wet, So depending how you want to attack. 00:17:11 Speaker 3: That, buy your boots sooner than the water resistant a waterproof, Yeah, buy him sooner rather than later. Yeah, don't be that guy that buys it a day before and barely has the laces on and complains why your feet hurts so bad? 00:17:27 Speaker 5: Because that, I mean, that will ruin, That will ruin your week of hunting. Like if you're if you get like your dogs, your dogs are barking. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: Didn't your feet get all messed up the first one? 00:17:35 Speaker 4: I don't think TJ. I think, yeah, that sounds right. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: You might have been the second one that he get all messed up on. 00:17:42 Speaker 5: Uh yeah, just yeah, try to I mean, you got to take care of your feet. Like that's like something you hear from guys in the military a lot, Like if you don't take care of your feet, you're like. 00:17:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, to boots, take care of your feet. Don't do anything stupid to get yourself killed. 00:17:56 Speaker 5: You gotta take care of your feet. Do you're on them all day? There's no and like you're just not going to be You're literally not gonna be as successful as your feet start to. Like if you get blisters and you don't want to walk as much, like it's gonna be. Even if you don't think it's you think you're tough enough to walk through it, You're probably it's gonna deter you a little bit. 00:18:13 Speaker 4: You're probably not gonna want to walk as much. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: Learn all your gear, you know, make sure your rangefinder. Rangefinder is one that can get a little hairy at times. 00:18:23 Speaker 4: Where you're just bringing extra battery for bring. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: An extra battery always, always, even if it's leases releases, bringing I lost mine, I use a handheld one. 00:18:35 Speaker 5: I always keep a wrist one because you can't, I mean, I don't want to. No, but I've shot. I've shot with both of them, though I've shot with both them on the same on the on that bow. I'm just saying if I have, like, if I lose one, I don't get to lose too. It's gonna be it's gonna be attached to me. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if your anchor points are shoots the same. 00:18:57 Speaker 4: I have shot them both with the same, with that bow. 00:19:01 Speaker 3: I would not recommend that. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: That's what thank you done? 00:19:03 Speaker 4: All right? 00:19:03 Speaker 5: Hey, then you guys just don't get the shoot you got pulled out of your freaking fingers. 00:19:06 Speaker 1: I just carry two of the same, the same lease. 00:19:11 Speaker 4: Hey, I ain't got it. 00:19:11 Speaker 2: Like it's gonna change, give me, it's gonna change how it shoots. 00:19:15 Speaker 4: I don't have it. Like, what do you mean change how to shoot? 00:19:17 Speaker 2: Because your anchor points are different. 00:19:18 Speaker 4: But I've shot the releases. Why does it matter. I know how to shoot both releases. 00:19:22 Speaker 1: Okay, so you have a backup system for your this doesn't make sense to me. 00:19:26 Speaker 3: All right, there's it's not the same. It's close, but it's not the same. 00:19:32 Speaker 4: No, it's not that. I never said it was. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: So what's your effective range when you've switched to a finger release. 00:19:37 Speaker 5: I'm effective at all. I've used both, effective at all, the same ranges. 00:19:42 Speaker 4: I don't get it. What's the question, my anchor points. I know where I need my I know where my hand should be on my on my jawbone. 00:19:48 Speaker 3: With my differently. 00:19:51 Speaker 4: I know. 00:19:52 Speaker 3: So therefore it's gonna change your zero. 00:19:57 Speaker 2: It's fine. I mean, if we go through this whole list where we just started the episode of how to Be Ready and stuff, and then I lost this release. But I'm going to change releases in the middle of hunting. However, I'm ready. 00:20:08 Speaker 4: I've practiced. I practiced with both releases. I practiced them both. 00:20:12 Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, I will say I have the Carter three finger, and then I lost it while we were going after that Elk and Idaho, and all I had was a Carter two finger, and that's what I had to shoot with. 00:20:26 Speaker 3: But that's the same seer, the same hook, the same. 00:20:33 Speaker 5: Hey, just you may want to rethink this because I'm not going to I've done it. 00:20:38 Speaker 4: I've done it. 00:20:39 Speaker 3: Okay, guys, if you're listening to this, get two of them. You would recommend getting two of the same release prior to your hunt. However, if you need to, you can use two different releases. If it means you cannot hunt anymore. 00:20:52 Speaker 1: Just make sure on your bow you put what your anchor points are when you use your thumb release, and what anchor points are on your finger. 00:20:58 Speaker 4: Practice how you play, boys practice, they play. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: I don't get it. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: Mark the zeros differently. 00:21:03 Speaker 4: Brack say play please do not do that. 00:21:07 Speaker 5: Have a twenty and then twenty have a twenty A and a twenty B, thirty A and a thirty B, forty A forty B. 00:21:12 Speaker 1: Go ahead and change your access to while you're at it, have a mark. 00:21:16 Speaker 4: I think you guys are. 00:21:19 Speaker 3: Different Green Era. 00:21:20 Speaker 1: Some different things that we've had go wrong that you need to be planned like that. You need to plan for. I think losing your battery or battery dying on rangefinders a big one that happens. 00:21:33 Speaker 3: Here's a sleeper. Have a backup headlamp. Backup headlamps. Very even if your buddy loses one, you could end one to him. A backup, headlamp is underrated. 00:21:48 Speaker 2: Food. 00:21:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, your big food guy, back up a little bit. 00:21:53 Speaker 1: What if what if we walked six steps and birds hammering a little? 00:21:58 Speaker 2: How about this? If you're hunting, buddy, me packs nothing. 00:22:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, and eat your. 00:22:06 Speaker 2: Food you want to. 00:22:07 Speaker 1: You've never eaten your food. 00:22:10 Speaker 2: Food. 00:22:11 Speaker 1: I've taken water and left the full water in my pack that way, if we needed more, I'm the one carrying it. I've never borrowed food, not once. That's true. I'll give you got something. I don't want to open up a whole nother bar man. 00:22:27 Speaker 2: Just give me. 00:22:28 Speaker 1: You're drinking it. 00:22:31 Speaker 4: This one. 00:22:32 Speaker 5: Hey, this one's big. They're getting If things get wet, how to dry them out? 00:22:36 Speaker 1: Dude? 00:22:38 Speaker 5: I I like to hey you, everyone can call me what you want. My feet get really cold, especially when it's just like when I'm deer hunting. 00:22:47 Speaker 4: My feet gets so cold. This is a crazy system, but it works. 00:22:51 Speaker 5: I walk out there, either with no socks or with just thin socks, and I will get to the bottom of my tree stand, no matter how far the walk. I'll give it a lot of my tree stand. When I'm there, I take those socks off. I put on fresh sock I let my air my feet air out, and then I put on fresh socks and then I go up. My feet never get cold when I do that, Never ever interesting, So it's it's worth a try. I I did that that morning in Illinois when I shot. 00:23:19 Speaker 1: That happens on my. 00:23:21 Speaker 2: I just bear it. 00:23:24 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, do it, stay hard. 00:23:30 Speaker 2: I will say about It's good though, if you're thinking through that, to also think through your camp because a lot of times your camp will determine what you can dry out and can't dry out, you know what I mean? Like, you mean, if you're sleeping in a tent, is there a place you can hang your stuff if you have a like we had a huge tent the last time we went to Idaho, wall tint and you were able to hang your stuff up, you know. But if you're if you have small, smaller quarters and stuff, you may not be able to air dry some stuff as much as possible. 00:24:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, If I'm truck hunting, I'll have multiple days I'm sorry, no sorry space camping out of my truck, I'll have I'll have multiple days of different you know, clothes. But however, if i'm you know, camping out and staying out it's slim pickens, and you really have to vet out your gear prior to leaving because you need to understand how quickly you know, if it's quick dry or anything like that, Marina Wool, understanding how quickly you can get them back there. 00:24:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:24:34 Speaker 2: And then like for us too, if your truck hunting, you drove there. It makes it easier the hunts. Most of the hunts we've been on we flew there. 00:24:42 Speaker 3: Sure. 00:24:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, so then that's a whole different thing, you know what I mean to what you bring, what you can't bring, and then and. 00:24:49 Speaker 1: Then buy there. 00:24:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, house are you hiking to camp? So even if you bring extra stuff on the plane, do you have to hike all that stuff in? So all that stuff is super important to think through how you're gonna get there. 00:25:01 Speaker 1: Logistics, Yeah, think about logistics where you're going, what you're doing, Oh you're getting there? If you have friends that can meet you or meeting you there, if they can you can ship stuff there. There's all kinds of things which we learned because the first year we went to Idaho, we slept on those mats am I good try to get some of those. 00:25:23 Speaker 2: But this last year we just we got cots off. Amazon shipped it to them so we could sleep on and then just left them there. 00:25:31 Speaker 3: Not a bad move. 00:25:32 Speaker 1: They were cheap. 00:25:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, they would better in the ground. 00:25:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am which. Yeah, that's something similar to that. 00:25:41 Speaker 2: Some people hate them sleeping on a cot. It's fine. 00:25:44 Speaker 3: I would rather sup on the ground that a cat. 00:25:46 Speaker 5: Oh really, Now there's there for the twenty four hour race and my buddy brought his cot. 00:25:51 Speaker 4: It was nice. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: I'm fine with those sleeping pads we have from the sleeping pad on the ground, sleeping pad on a cot, I'll take the ground. 00:25:58 Speaker 3: But a blow the blow up, Oh got you a little bit more straight? 00:26:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we flew so we had to pack them on the plane. 00:26:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just I'm putting that thing on the ground. 00:26:11 Speaker 1: Dog in the studio yep. Yeah. New Gear is going to be limited on inventory. Closer you get to season, people are gonna be buying it, so buy it now. 00:26:23 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's definitely like coming from the brand side, there's nothing more like frustrating than like three four days before opening day, when you get this line of customers being like why don't you have this? It's just like, sir, how long have you known about this? Archery hunt and you're waiting three days to get you know, a tent that you're going to sleep in. Like, come on, man, don't be that guy. Understand your hunts early and get the stuff while you can early, because I promise you, if you're getting closer to September, trying to get dehydrated, meals a tent, a shelter, and the headlamps, whatever it may be. 00:27:03 Speaker 5: And it gets expensive too, totally if you stockpile, like you get a few things throughout the year, like every every couple of weeks or every month or so, you kind of slowly build that stuff. And of course there are some big items you have to have that are expensive. But instead of like you're saying, those little things you know you're gonna have to have, just start building that up sooner rather than later. 00:27:21 Speaker 3: Also, want to go ahead, Nope, on a different note, like I've been here so many times where it's like a couple of days before you're about to leave and you cannot find that one thing and it's driving you absolutely bananas. Don't be like me. Find it early, put it, stash it, and save for a top drawer. 00:27:39 Speaker 4: Tags especially ye yeah, tags, yeah yeah. 00:27:42 Speaker 1: Make sure that you have them when you get there. 00:27:44 Speaker 3: Oh dude, one year I could not find my tags anywhere, and I was like asking my wife, where'd you put them? Where'd you put them? 00:27:51 Speaker 1: Fioaming will reprint for five dollars. I think Colorado will re print for twenty something like something like that. You can reprint. 00:27:58 Speaker 3: Don't be like me. 00:28:00 Speaker 1: Check your gear now. Yeah, like close all of that stuff because out here we store some of our stuff in the barn and we've had some mice to get into some stuff and they chew through. So close those types of things. Just make sure they're all good now because you know when it gets closer, stuff's gonna be sold out. 00:28:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, and just yeah, that happens. 00:28:23 Speaker 5: Certain sizes get sold out, like stuff that you need, Like yeah, make a plan, like get it, take a look at take a look at your camera what you think you're gonna bring. Obviously you can't really look at the weather, it's that far out, but you can kind of look back at previous years or if you've been to the same spot, you have an idea. 00:28:40 Speaker 2: Sometimes like the weights, or you know, once you get something like oh I want it something a little lighter than this, so then at least you know before it's too late. 00:28:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then and then I mean, I think I have been here. 00:28:50 Speaker 5: I don't know about you guys, but like i'll get to I'll get a piece of cameo or whatever that I think I'm gonna wear a lot, and then I just don't have an application for it. Like it's just like the wrong weight or it's too thin, too too heavy, and I end up wearing just something that's like kind of in the middle or whatever. So like there's a troun error. Like then pack less if you don't really need those things, you can you can pack less if you know you're really I like this piece, but I don't wear it enough. 00:29:16 Speaker 1: Layers, Yeah, definitely layers. 00:29:18 Speaker 3: We'll go in depth on layering systems on a different podcast. 00:29:22 Speaker 1: Be Bold, Go Cold, Start start cold, old, start cold. 00:29:28 Speaker 3: My philosophy is always like, if you're getting wet, how do you get dry? If you're getting dirty, how do you get clean? You know, if you're cold, how do you get warm? And have a plan for everything, because there's a good chance that you're gonna cross every single one of those barriers in some form of any hunt. You're gonna get hot you're gonna get cold, you're gonna get wet, you're gonna get sweaty, especially sweat, like sweat is a big thing to manage. So especially always check every single one of those boxes, no matter what the hunt, what else? 00:30:00 Speaker 1: What? 00:30:00 Speaker 3: What is the. 00:30:02 Speaker 4: Getting dirty and cleaning them? Is that just about equipment? 00:30:05 Speaker 5: Because of the equipment, most people just like I'm gonna be gonna be dirty. 00:30:10 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm more saying, like the tip of your rifle you stick out of mud or dirt. 00:30:14 Speaker 2: Right, or your your second release that doesn't match your first release. 00:30:18 Speaker 4: You try to crazy You guys are so hung up, but that's crazy. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: Or like you know, if it's snowing all day and winds getting into your scope lens and it's. 00:30:27 Speaker 5: Just oh yeah, that that for sure matters like that, or when like I've had a deer in the scope and I'll in my rifle scope and I'll be breathing and it will literally be fogging up because it's just been when I'm hyper ventilating it's so cold out, So I forget what the reason is. Anyways, there's stuff you put on it that keeps from doing that. I don't have those nice, expensive, fancy scopes you fellas have so mind fog up. I don't have that anti fog Hey, look I got it. 00:30:59 Speaker 3: Want to grab my different finger? 00:31:02 Speaker 2: Uh you mean like some anti fog rain axt. 00:31:04 Speaker 4: You just no, No, some glass doesn't fog up, like barely at all. 00:31:08 Speaker 3: Or you just get the pop up lens that you just have it and you pop it up. It's like four dollars. 00:31:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're hyperventiling. 00:31:14 Speaker 2: Whatever you can to throw shots. 00:31:16 Speaker 3: Man's I'm not throwing shots. 00:31:18 Speaker 4: I just don't have like you guys. 00:31:20 Speaker 2: Give me a break. 00:31:21 Speaker 1: You get stuff for free. 00:31:24 Speaker 4: We're all very What are you paid for my second release that I have to you? 00:31:29 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:31:29 Speaker 4: There you go, second release, not the backup release, my backup release. 00:31:34 Speaker 1: Which I need to buy another one for this hunt. Well, actually need have d Lane go through my other one. Nutrition that's huge. 00:31:45 Speaker 2: Mountain. 00:31:48 Speaker 1: I knew that they had heard the rumblings and rumors. Are they out? 00:31:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, we have something at the GYMP try them out. 00:31:56 Speaker 4: So that's that's a big one to me. 00:31:58 Speaker 2: Honestly, the field they seem it's just like in a it's like in that hydrate bag. So it's packwise. It looks pretty easy. 00:32:08 Speaker 3: Dehydrated meals all come in that same pack where you. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: Just put are bigger than others. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: I feel like, sure, is it? 00:32:14 Speaker 1: Does it have a So there's different ones that have the like heating unit in them. 00:32:18 Speaker 4: You have too, Yeah, probably is healthier for you. Honestly, I don't know what the chemical react. 00:32:26 Speaker 1: I don't. I thought the same the chemical The thing is in a separate palace boils extra when Billings got them. I'm like, bro, I can't be so. Nutrition is huge. Making sure you know how many calories you're gonna need, what kind of calories you're gonna need, that's a big anybody. 00:32:44 Speaker 5: Registic food you're gonna bring at least try it once. Yeah, at least try it once. 00:32:49 Speaker 1: While also exercising. 00:32:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, or whatever flavors too. 00:32:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, don't just like order and be like, oh, this would be good and then you take it out there and terrible one. 00:32:57 Speaker 4: It's terrible. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: Two. 00:32:58 Speaker 5: You're like, man, that would be so bad you're crapping like every three hours or worse. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: Yeah. I'm a big proponent of like understanding what creature comforts you can have in the back country because things are going You're not gonna be sleeping, You're gonna be tired. You're in a deficit calorie wise every single day. You need that that nice comfort food that's going to fill you back up. 00:33:24 Speaker 5: I think of it as like, what can give you that feeling of normalcyeah, Like what makes you feel like somewhat normal when you have had an awful day hiking around seeing nothing, or you miss or you miss an animal? 00:33:38 Speaker 4: What do you do? Like how do you get back? Like what do you want to do? Do you want to eat like a cold cracker like and J? 00:33:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, P B and J will bring you back twenty four hour old PB and J. That's like seeped through the bread. 00:33:54 Speaker 3: Go double peanut butter on both sides of what. 00:33:56 Speaker 1: I want, I want it soggy, that's crazy of it. That's what I look forward to at the end of the day, Honestly. Vehicle care, Yeah, if you're driving out there, or if you're renting a car and just bushwacking it, get the full coverage. 00:34:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're the rental car is tough because you can't fly. 00:34:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Scott right, you made Scot drive right? 00:34:17 Speaker 1: No bird, No. 00:34:20 Speaker 3: You got a flat tire? 00:34:21 Speaker 2: No. 00:34:21 Speaker 1: No. 00:34:23 Speaker 2: Honestly, the first time we went it was hey, we're gonna we're gonna get bikes. We're gonna ride bike because there's logging roads everywhere. Turns out we didn't use the bikes we ve. We drove cars everywhere. Some of the roads were a bit overgrown. Yep, we just went straight there. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, why rent the cards the truck. 00:34:45 Speaker 2: But still we got the insurance for it for sure. But you have to just be prepared for the things you don't think about. 00:34:55 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:34:56 Speaker 1: Well, even when me and Scott went out and hunted with Clay h we didn't really know we needed a vehicle, and luckily we took the canyon and not f two fifty because we were on some just older roads, which was great. So just know what you're on, how you're going to be getting around. 00:35:09 Speaker 3: I know the roads system. Similar like Gunnison when you guys brought that that poll behind trailer and freaking Nelson was having a heart attackers, how we're supposed to get this thing out in this snow. Obviously it all turned out okay, But yeah, I understand like you don't want to go into a crazy two track with your trailer and understand like, oh crap, I can't turn this thing around. We have to back up a couple of miles to get this thing out. 00:35:35 Speaker 2: For sure, how are you gonna get water? 00:35:38 Speaker 1: Water? 00:35:39 Speaker 2: Water is huge, Yeah, so even I mean if somebody's not driving, like, what are you going to do? You know, maybe if you're hunting with somebody, one person needs to drive, you know, it's that's a tough one totally. 00:35:51 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I just know your area. Obviously a lot of the time you'll be able to bring water in at your base camp or at your truck camp, things like that. 00:35:58 Speaker 1: More than you need. You always think, I remember multiple times you've been like, ah, that's enough water. It's not enough water. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: But if you are going out water purification, you know systems, you can always boil your water things like that. But understand how you're going to hydrate accordingly, and don't think that you can just wing it, because dehydration in the back country absolutely sucks. 00:36:20 Speaker 4: Yeah you can. 00:36:21 Speaker 5: And you can easily put a gallon down quick yeah day, like you can easily. 00:36:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, pace yourself out as well, Like if you drink a whole gallon in the first ten minutes, that's I mean, that's what you got for the whole day. Electrolytes obviously mountain oops, it's a good, good one for that. I always like to do a water and an electro light of some sort for sure. 00:36:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, caffeine, we do pre work out espally. We do caffeine. We do yetymote. Yeah, all day long. Seriously, you just sip on it all day long. Get a little itch, burn it down, a little itch burn it down. 00:36:55 Speaker 2: In theory keeps you going. 00:36:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. 00:36:59 Speaker 3: Have your them to get rehydrated as well. 00:37:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, Graham with caffein will get you there. 00:37:05 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Adrenaline is a powerful thing. 00:37:08 Speaker 4: Mix the water in once in a while. It's about it. Yeah, all right, anything, we got through it. 00:37:18 Speaker 3: Don't procrastinate, don't. 00:37:20 Speaker 1: Get on it now. 00:37:21 Speaker 2: Hey, you know what's a good thing to not procrastinate with. You can go to hunt camp. 00:37:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:37:24 Speaker 4: Hunt camp Yeah, Hunt Camp sign up now. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: More spots not many filling up pretty quick. 00:37:29 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:37:29 Speaker 2: The start your fitness journey. 00:37:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that's literally the I mean, you should hopefully be working out before then, but if you are not, that is the beginning, the beginning of June, and that would be the absolute last time I would say that you could start and still be okay. Probably should have started now. Or earlier last year started. Hey, the best time playing the trees now twenty years ago. Second best time is right now. 00:37:55 Speaker 2: That's good. 00:37:56 Speaker 1: That's deep some trees like apple trees out here. 00:37:59 Speaker 2: It would be good for if at east, like somebody from the east going out west hunting. Yeah, we have a lot I've never been. You could get a pack on if you know what it's like going up hills and stuff, so you're not just in total shock first time. 00:38:13 Speaker 3: Ye, it's the close thing you can get to the real thing. 00:38:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'sout actually hunting an animal. 00:38:18 Speaker 2: So it would be benefit. 00:38:19 Speaker 5: I have talked to people who are who that's basically them to a teeth and there's actually somebody who's like, hey, I've never been hunting. It would be something I could go to them like this actually be perfect. You're going to get a pretty much a crash course and just about everything you want to learn to apply to hunting. You won't be an expert you're coming out of it, but you for sure, I mean you'll have a lot of stuff to set you up in the right direction. Then you will have a lot of information from like us, And I've conveyed this to people that we aren't experts, but we can't. So we can talk to a level with somebody who's never hunted, then somebody who is a good hunter. You'll be really of all levels, you will get something out of it. At the very least, Hey, you're gonna get a elaite bow set up and arrows for the season. 00:39:03 Speaker 3: Especially on the fitness side. I mean like if you kill a four hundred inch elk every single year, like you can learn something from Mayhem hunt on the fitness side more one hundred percent. Yeah, no one has gone through a pack out and been like, oh, that was way too easy now. One also, I think another really really like low hanging fruit for all of the people that are going to attend this is you have the ability to ask real time questions to these people and these instructors. There's been so many times where I'm listening to a podcast or listening to you know, whatever the topic is, and I don't have access to them to ask a follow up question, and it drives me absolutely insane. Where they like answer fifty percent of your question, but there's another fifty percent that you really want to hone in on. Because they're live there and in person, you can follow up be like, hey, well what about this scenario. Yeah, two years ago I was in this situation. What would you have done in that regard? You can't do that unless you're in person with that instructor. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: Even just to gain elevation changes, you know, like day one, day two, sure to help you plan. 00:40:07 Speaker 5: Hey, the first time I went out there, like it was like my body didn't like it. Like it was interesting the way that my body reacted to the elevation. 00:40:15 Speaker 3: So I have an Angelou quote that I still laugh at to the study. Actually we won't say it on the podcast. 00:40:21 Speaker 4: I don't even know what it is. 00:40:23 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll tell a quick story. So we're hiking out. I sent you guys into the freaking woodworks because what do they say, Oh, you can't find them near roads, go to the furthest point, Like, okay, let's find them near roads or exactly. So I sent you an LP into the trenches with me, and we're hiking up. I don't know how to make this PG where this is going. And we're hiking out and even though it was a rough day, I was still stoked and like we just got to see some fresh stuff. And I was like Angela, I was curious Angela like this literally, this is what I live for, Like I love this stuff. And then you said, I don't know. 00:41:04 Speaker 5: How was in a dark place because we all day these fools are like, dude, they were elk here yesterday. 00:41:11 Speaker 4: We are going to see something. I promise you they were right. Dods and Luke Gods and Luke will be sold. And I also my soul was crushed. 00:41:20 Speaker 3: I didn't promise anything first of all, but Luke. 00:41:23 Speaker 4: Was so adamant. 00:41:25 Speaker 1: And at this point, Luke's elk hunting experience was he went on a hike in Estes Park and there's elk everyone. 00:41:33 Speaker 3: In day one and a half. He thinks he's Remy Warren giving me advice. Anyway, we're hiking back up and it's you know, towards the end of the day after shooting light, I'm just like, gosh, this is epic. And Angelo says some choice words to me that along the lines of what gosh you you wanted to stick something up, something. 00:41:58 Speaker 1: That sounds like Angela, And I was like, like, oh, that was Angela before he found Jesus. 00:42:05 Speaker 4: That sounds I gotta I gotta have you tell me that off here because I want to. 00:42:09 Speaker 3: If you don't want another full story, come to the camp. 00:42:12 Speaker 4: I'll tell you I'll tell the full story then all right. 00:42:16 Speaker 3: And if you're getting another release, just get the second, same one. 00:42:21 Speaker 1: M