00:00:00 Speaker 1: I've got a rule. When the kids are around and I am going out, I will ask them if they want to go. Usually mornings are tough, but evenings try surprisingly we'll get up. Man. If he hears me stirring and all. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: He's like, I God, that's how I was when I was age. 00:00:13 Speaker 1: I got up early Lakeland. This year, I bought them a crossbow. She froze up on a dough and then a buck was coming and she was fired up. And so I did have the the I guess the guilt of I just you know, he'll ask, oh, can we go shoot the twenty two? And I'm like, we'll get to it tomorrow, right, we got something going on or whatever. And I'm like, if I've got thirty minutes, twenty minutes And he says, hey, can we shoot the twenty two. I need to get in behind it and just just get used to it, because you know, a couple of times they've frozen up on the trigger. Oh out here. The steaks are real effective. Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This year explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is in Pursuit brought to you by Mouth Knocks in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt, Spike Camp, Mayhem Hunt Camp. Yeah, so it is officially official official now. 00:01:33 Speaker 3: Yep, I'm saying them personally, sending links to everybody who's been asking. We've had a lot of a lot of questions. So, yes, it is live. It is officially live. 00:01:42 Speaker 1: For the last three weeks, it's been live every day. 00:01:44 Speaker 2: It's been almost live every day for the Lost Hope, so three weeks. 00:01:47 Speaker 1: I think today it's actually live. 00:01:48 Speaker 2: It is actually live. 00:01:49 Speaker 4: I've heard rumors that it could be. 00:01:51 Speaker 1: Guys we're back in the racks against the wall. Guys can't even get there in time. Yeah, get their flights and stuff. So, yeah, it is live. We'll put in the description, right, we should be able to put in the description here. Yeah, which put in the Lincoln people that listen to this, It'll be in the description in the description. Thanks. Yeah. 00:02:10 Speaker 3: Jared Gray, bial Austin's agent, he texted me and he's like, uh and and Ben Alderman too. 00:02:17 Speaker 5: The couple. 00:02:17 Speaker 3: Anyways, we had a couple of guys texts and they were like excited about it. I thought it was cool and really appreciated the idea that is for beginner hunters, beginner to intermediate hunters, you can be an advanced hunter. 00:02:27 Speaker 2: You'll get less out. 00:02:28 Speaker 1: You'll probably be coaching more than you'll Yeah fun. 00:02:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I mean it's gonna be fun for everybody. Like you're gonna get a free Elite bow set up like that alone and then being you obviously the lodging and then we'll be providing food. So I think that alone is is already awesome. The things we have in store, like obviously we'll be working out, We'll be doing hunting breakout sessions, will kind of learn some of the different skills and if you have already, if you have exposure to those skills, uh, we'll kind of like we'll get a little deeper on them. 00:03:00 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:03:00 Speaker 2: Sega is coming, Elite is coming. 00:03:03 Speaker 3: And then we have some rogue plate carriers we will be working out with those. We are going to do something that Jeff has thought up that should be really cool. It's gonna be a ton of fun. Now that we've like a secret no, I mean it's not a secret. I guess we're gonna do like we're gonna His idea was like do like a simulation pack out. 00:03:22 Speaker 1: So I think guys to get guys on the same team, give him a on X pin, you gotta go. We're gonna set up stuff and they gotta go pack it out. 00:03:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna be cool. 00:03:31 Speaker 1: Just thinking too, like some of these breakouts, you're gonna have to actually hike too as well. So yeah, there's gonna be a lot of fit. Yeah, we're gonna go glass. We're gonna have to go up the top of that ridge and glass into you know. 00:03:43 Speaker 6: What percentage that would you say is fitness versus like tactics and strategy and all of that. 00:03:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think, but I think those go hand in hand, right, Like you're saying, like hiking up to go glassing, Like we have a scouting thing that we're gonna do in conjunction with on X So like there'll be some scouting, there'll be some actual scouting glassing. All that's gonna be kind of probably the same group at the same time, you know, a few hours of doing that. But yeah, I mean I think just like hunting where you realistically you are going to do that. You have to go and hike to a position to get that done. You're gonna basically get a taste of what it's like. And in the middle of June may make it a little more interesting. I mean, it'll be like it'd be like hunting antelope, like if you hunt, if you hunt antelope, that's August. 00:04:22 Speaker 2: So it's gonna be. 00:04:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, but one is pretty chilly still up there because we're really we're up at ten thousand feet. It's not it's not like blazing summer gonna you know, depend on Colorado. 00:04:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it'll be warm, but we've had some pretty warm packouts. 00:04:34 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah sure, yeah, yeah, remember we've had some real warm packouts. 00:04:38 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:04:38 Speaker 3: So it's trying to get some three D targets too. That's like the next next port, the next thing. 00:04:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. I means now that we have like the sponsors and all that, we need to figure out the breakouts concrete. We have an idea of yeah that. 00:04:49 Speaker 3: We're gonna do, but I think like a three D course would be cool if we I mean, either way, either way we can't do it. But trying to get a sponsor, a three D target sponsor for it would be make it even better. But that'll be really cool. Get your setup, your bow, get to go out and shoot it, you know, like you're doing rifles. 00:05:04 Speaker 1: Did we figure out. Yeah, that was the big hang up, honestly, was in fire arms, instructors all that stuff. So SIG's gonna send out some rifles and some instructors and so you're gonna get to shoot, shoot some long range, some different stuff. And they said, they said this not not me. 00:05:22 Speaker 2: Were you in that meeting. 00:05:23 Speaker 3: No, they would like to raffle off a rifle while over there raffle off a rifle in Rifle Colorado. 00:05:31 Speaker 2: They said, yeah, they said, we'd love to raffle off across stuff. Don't spots? 00:05:35 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, is that not? Is that? I mean what they're paying for the spots? 00:05:39 Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So that's that's from their mouth, not mine. I did not say that. They He's like, we guess thinking about this, We're like, yeah, it's awesome, Like that's super cool. So yeah, we are still acquiring sponsors at the moment, so we have a lot of cool stuff already and uh more cool stuff, more stuff will add. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: So it's gonna be great. 00:05:58 Speaker 1: Yep, you're in on the first one, so this will probably be the lowest priced one. 00:06:03 Speaker 3: There is, probably, yeah, because we'll figure it out and we'll say, all right, next time, there's gonna be a little bit more so hopefully. 00:06:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:06:09 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see it. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: It's the beta test. 00:06:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see it going bad at all. But I do like it. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought we use that improperly. 00:06:18 Speaker 2: Alpha test, alpha gamma test. It's just one, all right. 00:06:25 Speaker 1: Jeff Dodds, producer Dodds has got us a nice little topic here. Usually it's fitness, which I feel like we probably labored that at times. This is a pretty good topic here on make your family a part of the hunting process. This is something that's pretty near and dearer, especially to me and Bird. Right now, Angel will get there. He's expecting, his wife's expecting. He's not expecting because man can't have babies. 00:06:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so our family is expecting a child. 00:06:55 Speaker 1: And so this one is actually a really good topic, you know, because it even haven't. We had Christian Huff out here yesterday, so he was on a podcast probably a couple of weeks. I don't know when this is it'll be a little bit better. But one of the discussions was, Man, you go out and you're sitting in the stand away from your family or going on a hunt out west, there's a little bit of guilt that comes into there. You're like, a should I really be out here? And then you see a doe or a spike or something and you're just like, that was a complete waste of my time or absolutely nothing or absolutely nothing's been there, done that. Yep, do that pretty regularly. Go to Illinois for four days and don't see anything. I just Illinois has just not been good to me. And so you know, that's the idea of this this podcast or the topic is how do you make sure one that you are incorporating them when you can incorporate them, and then two, you know, making sure, as Jeff says, their cup is full before you leave, you know, making sure you're getting some quality time in doing some stuff to make sure they're part of it. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: And joint Yeah, I mean you did recently last year you got the kids across b. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we've got the kids across bow Man. I hunted a ton with the kids this year. I actually probably only hunted eight or nine times with by myself and so any I've got a rule when the kids are around and I am going out, I will ask them if they want to go. Usually mornings are tough, but evenings trice surprising. It will get up. 00:08:23 Speaker 5: Man. 00:08:23 Speaker 1: If he hears me stirring and all. 00:08:24 Speaker 2: He's like, God, that's why I was when I was his age. I got up early. 00:08:28 Speaker 1: I've got to do some better job here of like putting in some stands that he and they can be a part of. You know, we took the ranger out a couple of times and just sat and around it to cut the wind. But but have some actual stands, enclosed stands for them to be a part of lakeland. This year I bought them with the crossbow. She froze up on a dough and then a buck was coming and she was fired up. And so I did have the the I guess the guilt of I just you know, he'll ask, oh, can we go shoot the twenty two, And I'm like, we'll get to it tomorrow, right, We've got something going on or whatever. And I'm like, if I've got thirty minutes, twenty minutes, And he says, hey, can we shoot the twenty two. I need to get in behind it and just just get used to it, because you know a couple of times they've frozen frozen up on the trigger and won't because they're afraid of what's gonna happen or whatever. And so even the crossbow, now he'll he lights that thing up. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: You were saying, frozen up on the trigger. I've been watching that Nelson video like. 00:09:30 Speaker 5: So few times. 00:09:32 Speaker 2: So good. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: It's got it. 00:09:34 Speaker 2: You and me, we're done. 00:09:41 Speaker 5: You can shoot whatever you wan shot. Shoot. 00:09:48 Speaker 7: Oh God, Raddy, God give me. 00:10:08 Speaker 5: Shoot the damn turkey, Nick Noil. We're doing. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: He's brush. 00:10:20 Speaker 1: We're both about to go to sleep. 00:10:22 Speaker 4: And I just started, like I got I started sweating. 00:10:25 Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard. 00:10:26 Speaker 5: I was sweating. 00:10:27 Speaker 4: Dude, it is Billings like me and you are through. 00:10:34 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I couldn't see him blah blah blah. At least context. Yeah, we gotta set the context. I didn't watch it at first, and I saw. 00:10:43 Speaker 4: Either I don't And then Watkins said, hey, did you watch this? 00:10:48 Speaker 1: So our buddy Brian, he's got a lease in Illinois. Hunter, I mean, he hunts all the time, big Eastern guy. We took him out Western hunt. He's like, this is a stupid are you't doing this? I've killed enough game. Remember that when we got back to the fire and he's his middle of the day and it's snowing and there's a fire. We're packing up to leave and he's just sitting at the fire with his sunglasses on. There's no sun out. It was so it was so good. He was done to me. 00:11:18 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you guys, you know, I don't know. 00:11:20 Speaker 1: I don't need to prove prove I'm a hunter life anyway. So that's Nelson. So he's got a thirteen year old step son. Uh, he's been in his life for what three or four years now. He's done a good job. Like, yeah, he's he's good Brandick. Brandick's a good kid too. But so he's taking Brandick hunting their turkey hunting and Brian's got. 00:11:42 Speaker 4: The video's coming in. 00:11:44 Speaker 1: Turkey's coming in, and I've never like Brian's got. He's sitting at a tree and he's got a decoy. He's holding holding the decoy and so the you're not watching the video, yeah, yeah, if you look when the video stands holding Okay, so he's he's holding the camera and trying to get Brandick's like trying to do good. 00:11:59 Speaker 4: Step in at the like, he's like, hey, whenever you're ready, He's like, when you're reading, now, it's the chance. 00:12:03 Speaker 1: Now it is now. This turkey's coming man, and it's. 00:12:07 Speaker 4: You can just tell. 00:12:08 Speaker 2: He's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? 00:12:11 Speaker 3: I'm looking at him like, oh my gosh. It's on the other there, on the other side of a fence. 00:12:17 Speaker 1: And he just goes through the fence. He's straight through the fence and starts flogging Brian, like spurring him, and you can hear him cussing. Drops the camera and so we'll pause it here, we'll insert the video because we got it. The video has to be in there. 00:12:30 Speaker 2: Give me that gun. 00:12:31 Speaker 1: And then he comes back, give me the gun. I'm gonna do it, and you don't even hear a shot for a while, and then he stays a gun. He stays and goes he gonna shoot the damn bird, Shoot damn bird. And and we're through and Brandick's like, I'm sorry, you know, like I could just see. 00:12:48 Speaker 5: That so good. 00:12:50 Speaker 2: My step back, step back. 00:12:51 Speaker 6: So the turkey's coming in on a string, yeah, and Brannick freezes up. 00:12:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. 00:12:57 Speaker 6: The turkey continues to yah and literally starts fighting Brian, the guy holding the. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: De and then it never runs like, it doesn't bust off. Literally, what you doing? What do you do? 00:13:09 Speaker 2: It's coming, give me the fing gun. 00:13:12 Speaker 1: He could have just grabbed it by the throat. At first I thought that's what happened. 00:13:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, he grabbed it. 00:13:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, because just like all over So it's so it's so good because I don't I mean, I haven't my dad, but I haven't had the situation like that while hunting with my dad. 00:13:28 Speaker 2: But like everyone's been. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: Everyone's been in that situation, that similar situation with their dad. 00:13:34 Speaker 2: You're just like, you're not doing anything right. She's so mad. 00:13:39 Speaker 1: You're like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 00:13:44 Speaker 2: It's just so amazing too, because I've never seen a turkey do that. 00:13:47 Speaker 3: Even though they bust I mean they see so well. They as soon as you like, wiggle a little bit, that thing was. 00:13:54 Speaker 6: Up, came through a fence and then continue to fight Brian and then. 00:14:00 Speaker 1: Didn't run off. 00:14:01 Speaker 2: Yes, it's. 00:14:04 Speaker 1: So good. 00:14:07 Speaker 7: We're through. 00:14:08 Speaker 3: But I think Brian did say the gun's been a little finicky lately, right, is that what he said? 00:14:12 Speaker 2: In the group chat, and I. 00:14:13 Speaker 3: Said, it's been a little finicky, so maybe, and I think he was trying to like stand up for Brannick after a little bit, but I don't care. 00:14:19 Speaker 2: It was so good. Yeah, it's so good. 00:14:21 Speaker 1: It was worth it. 00:14:22 Speaker 3: So yeah, if you do take your there's what's what not put in the press? 00:14:28 Speaker 1: Dad, you you know, because it happens to you where you freeze up on a gun. You like, you get your heart rate up and you mess up, Like imagine the kids. So as much practice as you can get, and you know, teach them those things young. I you know, we do a thing where if anything's killed between there's probably four or five of us right here on the mountain that like call the kids and they come out and help, you know, do the processing and all that. And so that's been really good for them. They enjoy it. They know where the food comes from, they know that, hey, it had a life and all those things. So I think, you know, getting them involved in the hunt as early as you can. You know, my kids sat with me for a long time in the last couple of years, but they now are starting to participate a little bit more so. Turkey season starts in a couple of days, so I think, yeah, I'll take one or two of them, yeah, this weekend. Actually, but it did. 00:15:19 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's easy to say, like it goes beyond just hunting, right, like it like just like you were saying, you're filling the cup, like this is just like a continuation of honestly, how you should live your life. Right, So if you go somewhere with your kids, you need to bring them. So if you're going, if you're going hunting, there should be no difference, right, So it should be a normal thing across the board. Right, So should you prioritize it, sure, but at the same time, should be doing it year round for sure, Yep, to. 00:15:49 Speaker 1: Do it the right way. 00:15:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, my my dad always liked to go fishing, or does like to go fishing. Still, he's not dead. I just don't live with it anymore. That's why that he used to like he would go fishing. There's actually a place just down here off seventy. I don't know why. We always went there. There's a little turn off and we would just go down there and we would fish and we catch crawfish, and you know, we just catch a bunch of crawfish. There and fish. I don't even know what would catch. I don't know if we catch that much fish at all. Yeah, And I mean that was cool. It's my dad just just didn't honey and girl hunting, so he didn't so but he fishes and did fish all the time. 00:16:25 Speaker 2: He actually this is great. 00:16:27 Speaker 3: He actually called me two nights ago he goes, hey me, yes, but he goes, hey, me and your mother are gonna go to uh Costa Rica next month and fish for salefish. 00:16:38 Speaker 2: And Marlon, do you want to go? I'm like, yeah, you're going next month? 00:16:42 Speaker 4: No? 00:16:43 Speaker 2: I thought maybe like six months. 00:16:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, like a little bit of time. 00:16:46 Speaker 3: I go, No, I can't just drop everything and go go fishing for a week with you in Costa Rica. 00:16:50 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. 00:16:51 Speaker 4: And I'll say this too about hunting with your kid, like, because some people believe the complete opposite of this. And I'm not pro screens electronics. Right, However, I can remember when I was a kid being drug out and it being miserable, especially white tail hunting. Right hunting Louisiana, you you might not see a deer all season, Like that's legit. Yea, that is a reality, right, you Like if you kill a spike. 00:17:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done something. 00:17:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you were fifties and sixties, there was yeah, I mean really but there was. 00:17:28 Speaker 2: I mean the density was way I mean even smaller as you when you were a kid. 00:17:31 Speaker 4: So but to that I can remember that, and then that would make me the next time not want to want to go. Right, So, like if Jai or Hattie wants to go with me, man, they can bring a screen. Like if we're sitting in a in a box a shooting house or something, and you want to play a game, and I will let you shoot. Probably I'll do all the honey, right, I'll do all the hunting. I'll watch you just pull the trigger. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: But just that. 00:17:56 Speaker 4: Makes them want to come back the next time, and that appreciates. Yeah, that's more what it's about. And just like because I know the opposite, I know people who draw a hard line, be like, you're not sitting out here just talked about him, You're not sitting out here with you know, with a screen you're gonna hunt. I'm like, well, dude, he's not gonna want to go anymore. 00:18:14 Speaker 7: Now. 00:18:15 Speaker 1: What I found out was like when we go to Scott's place, which is awesome, it's like it's not a fenced in place or anything. But he's built some like nice food plots and there's deer there, right, and so you know, you get out there early enough there's nothing going on, Yeah, let him on a screen, and then as soon as the deer come out, my kids are locked in. But it takes that like time. And then honestly, once there's a deer in the field, I'm like, all right, no screen, Like I'll take it from him. And I'm like, but if there's nothing going on one, you know, they're gonna be making noise, they're gonna be doing whatever. This is gonna ruin it. It could be freezing, could be freezing. And then that's kind of part two is like I'm cold, Can we go back? And I'm like, I'll usually give him two or three of those, and then I'm like, all right, we got to. 00:18:59 Speaker 4: I would just rather have I would rather them be with me, even though they may be doing that than the complete opposite, which a lot of people are different. 00:19:08 Speaker 3: It's just because what would they probably be doing if you, if you were out hunting, they would be inside. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: It would be inside screen. Yeah, you know, so it's like. 00:19:16 Speaker 4: TV, especially if you're at the camp, right, because then it's like, hey, I'm going hunting, do not go outside and make noise? 00:19:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. 00:19:23 Speaker 4: So there's that, So they would kind of be doing the same thing, but I just would rather be with me. 00:19:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like anything. 00:19:30 Speaker 6: If you make it fun, they're gonna want to come back and do it again. If you make it miserable, why would they want to come back? 00:19:37 Speaker 4: Bring a heater form? 00:19:40 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'd say the screen probably delays that I'm cold a little bit. 00:19:44 Speaker 2: Comments I'm sure. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: Mine don't get screens that much. They'll watch TV at the house, like, I know that's a screen, but iPads and stuff, we're pretty limited with that. So it is almost like a treat, I guess. So they travel, usually travel, and then it seems like when I travel, they get them a lot too. Yeah, you know what I mean. I got a lot of like, hey, Dad, can I have more time? And I'm like, no, you can't. A lot of requests. 00:20:08 Speaker 6: But also it's it's truly about the quality time spent for Yeah, obviously killing something is the goal, but in the midst of it, you get that one on one time with the kid. You usually don't have that environment because you're with the whole family. You really want to invest in your child in that moment. 00:20:30 Speaker 3: Yeap, did you guys just looking at this, did you guys camp a lot? 00:20:35 Speaker 2: Growing up? Camp? 00:20:37 Speaker 1: We did like four wheeler camping trips. So you know, we'd go to Big South Fork or pick At State Park and we'd ride four wheelers and we'd camp. Or we went to NASCAR races and camp. Yeah, so we camped in a Yeah, but we were you know, actually, honestly, me and Billings used to camp in his backyard or yeah, I did that all the time. Me and Trice this year, during fall break, we just set a tent just outside the house. And I want to say, me and him, they were offered they get off two weeks in the fall. I want to say. We slept in that tent like nine days out of fifteen or whatever. Hillary was so mad at us. It'd be like seven o'clock at night and I'd be like the tent. He's like, yeah, I slept so good. What was the temperature like fifty five, you know, sixty? It was like it was perfect camping weather. So yeah, I think camping, you know, building fires, doing the camping thing. Luckily out here we can we can do that pretty easily, which we need to start doing more now that it's warming up a little bit with the kids. 00:21:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a lot of what you're saying, a lot of back backyard camping. I ain't too much camping like in a tent or camper, and I think they're both the same. I mean they're not the same. I understand it all. I'm not a purist though. You don't have to go out and sit. 00:21:50 Speaker 1: In a tent, I said Jeff. Jeff is a purist. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: Are you. 00:21:55 Speaker 1: What would you call it? Would you count an ENZ camper as lamping? 00:22:00 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:22:04 Speaker 6: It really is about like, if it's just me, I really like either the back of the truck or a straight up system, but like or just a traditional tent on the ground. But when I'm with my family, I want them to be comfortable. I want them to enjoy the environment. So I'm okay with an ENZ or a little bit more glamping style. But back in the day, like I I love truck camping. Park the truck, get a cool setup. You know, you're cooking pancakes on the tailgate. That is definitely my favorite form of camping, so not your traditional purest on the ground, find a flat spot, pitch a tent. 00:22:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I don't. I don't like think I don't have a problem with either that. I enjoy both of them the same, I mean in a different way, I guess. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: Also for me, camping is what I prefer. Yeah, what do you prefer? 00:23:02 Speaker 4: What my old age? 00:23:05 Speaker 2: You're in your advance, I would rather. 00:23:07 Speaker 4: Not just lay on the flag ground. 00:23:09 Speaker 2: Well, I mean you can have a I think you can have. 00:23:13 Speaker 1: Is that still? 00:23:14 Speaker 2: Do you have to just sleep on the dirt? Is absolutely not. No, you can bring memory foam or whatever. 00:23:20 Speaker 1: Okay, you gotta have that wide sleeping pad. 00:23:22 Speaker 6: Totally have to do a sleeping Also, the goal is not to be at camp. The goal is to go do something in the middle of the day. So like the sleeping to me is like not the most important part. It's about what you're doing during the daytime that's the most important. 00:23:39 Speaker 3: What are some activities that you think are important to do with a child? Camping anybody else? Is for everybody, like other than other than obviously hunting. Camping to hunt obviously would be probably number one. Like, what are some other important things that you would throw into a camp ru I mean fishing, Like I enjoy fishing just because it's I don't know, it's just fun. 00:23:59 Speaker 2: Like it's not I hate fishing. 00:24:01 Speaker 1: I've just never been on like. 00:24:04 Speaker 2: I'm going to change that. 00:24:06 Speaker 3: I really just I do enjoy fishing, Like my dad's always trout fished more than bass fished, and I, I don't know. 00:24:14 Speaker 1: That's fly fishing then, huh No, No, I think I would like fly fishing. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: No, my dad probably would call you a sissy for doing that. 00:24:21 Speaker 1: I don't know why. I don't know. 00:24:22 Speaker 3: I just don't think there's like, yeah, it's like the woke fishing, right, fly fishing, But it's kind of like ar. 00:24:29 Speaker 2: Tree versus rifle. 00:24:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, like spin fishing is rifle hunting and fly fishing is archery. 00:24:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like kind of the I wouldn't even say that because like I would. It's just like I don't know, I don't know much about fly fly fishermen, but I've always just thought of it as like the granola of fishing. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: I guess that's the way to explain it. Like it's pure fishing, it's more pure. It's an art versus like I'm trying to speak you. Uh No, I mean correct, I know, I like, I like uh And I caught the biggest fish in the Cane Creek fishing tournament when I was five years old. I was the only one to. 00:25:12 Speaker 1: Catch a peak in high school home How about that? 00:25:14 Speaker 4: That was at five? 00:25:16 Speaker 1: How about what I'm saying. You know, everything happened before fishing tournament. He won the teen games, you know, like. 00:25:23 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say go back, going back to your original question of what to do with kids, you do not have to do a lot, man Like, they get so stoked and so excited about very very little things. 00:25:37 Speaker 1: Walk around with a stick in the woods as true. 00:25:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just more about the quality time. Right, You're uninterrupted, You're present to them. You're just giving them the attention that they desire. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: Constantly. 00:25:50 Speaker 6: It's just you and them in the great outdoors. And dude, you you show them a leaf, they get stoked. They see a bird, they get stoked, They see a squirrel, they get stoked, and they talk about it for months. 00:26:01 Speaker 2: Yeah they do. 00:26:01 Speaker 1: You're right. How much speaking of that, how much long do we have on scroll season? I got to take the trice. We can take trice and giant I think sometime March. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: Uh uh, I want it. Yeah, well you already have it on here. 00:26:12 Speaker 3: Like the building fires, dude, that is like the thing I use a lighter any kind of camping. Yes, it's just like I love building fires. Any young boy loves to build any man loves to build fires. 00:26:25 Speaker 2: It's crazy. What is it. 00:26:27 Speaker 1: There's something deep in us that likes. 00:26:30 Speaker 2: To build fires. It's so good. 00:26:33 Speaker 1: Yeah that when we hunted this year in Wyoming and it just rained on us in middle of the day, we built a little fire. Gosh, it was so nice. 00:26:47 Speaker 2: It just brings your soul back, it really does. 00:26:49 Speaker 1: It's crazy. 00:26:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, And we talked about this, like shooting the crossbow. It is fun to get out and have them shoot either the crossbow or like I would, uh, you can go to like Walmart and get like a pretty cheap bow there too, and just get something for them to have to shoot with you. Because and yeah, it is usually probably not that accurate, but it's fun. 00:27:12 Speaker 2: I think they just like to just do whatever you are doing well. 00:27:15 Speaker 4: And I think that's why it is important, Like because obviously go out west hunting, it's hard to bring them. Yeah, I mean, so it is important. 00:27:24 Speaker 2: To they can get some day. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: Maybe maybe you're just elk, but maybe hey, take a white tail hunt so they you know what I mean, just to rabbits hunt. Yeah, yeah, I think it's super which we still got to do with Darren his dad apparently there. 00:27:40 Speaker 1: That's there. 00:27:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can squirrel and rabbit hunting is a little bit easier to get. 00:27:43 Speaker 2: You have to be quiet. 00:27:45 Speaker 1: Loves squirrel hunting really just he's like a dog. He doesn't even have to shoot him. He just wants to carry him, wants to be out there. 00:27:51 Speaker 2: He does love carrying those things around him. 00:27:53 Speaker 1: And Violet fought over it. I had to set a five minute time or that they would rotate who carried it. Yeah. No, like I've done that with the crossbow. I'll let him shoot. I'll take two or three shots. We'll go get our arrow, come back. I'll load the well, I'll load the bolt. It's not an arrow. Sorry, let him shoot. I'll shoot two or three. So I'm getting practice in. We're getting practice in, and uh yeah, I think it's a great time. You're just both you're getting some reps in. You're not getting a ton of reps in, but you're getting some reps in. He's doing it, or you make them go fetch the arrow, burn some energy, you know. 00:28:23 Speaker 6: So a really good low impact youth is youth esque hunt. 00:28:29 Speaker 2: Is dude, sage grouse really? Oh man? 00:28:32 Speaker 6: You like they see a sage grou? I mean we've all been hunting sage grouse while l hunting close you see one and you're just like, oh, they scare the living piss out of everyone. But when you're on a mid day nothing's going on. You see a grouse, you have obviously, you have a tag, everything's legal. You shoot one and you get to cook it that night. But like, dude, you see one close enough, you can have your little one, like, okay, go, you know, go make a stock on this thing to shoot it with a bow, were you know, a small rifle, they would be through the fricking roof. 00:29:03 Speaker 2: Stoked. 00:29:04 Speaker 3: I remember me and Jeff were hiking out one day and he was he was up ahead of me, and we didn't see anything naturally. 00:29:11 Speaker 2: Hey we found a dead head. I did found that. I did. We found too that day. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: Ye you still have that thing. 00:29:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so we're we're hiking out and we're almost out and Luke had like sprinted up the hill for who knows, Like I don't really know what. 00:29:26 Speaker 2: He's gone. And so me and Jeffer and he's right ahead of me, and he goes, I'm actually still trying to hunt, and lucas. 00:29:33 Speaker 1: He goes, there's a grouse right there. 00:29:34 Speaker 3: Does that even when he was hunting, just wandrous, just head down, just marching. 00:29:39 Speaker 1: Jeff goes, hey, there's a grouse within in the tree. 00:29:41 Speaker 3: And I go, I don't want to shoot it, and the like cause we're like we're I mean, we're hoofing it and I'm sweating, and I just knock. 00:29:47 Speaker 2: An arrow and I just take one shot. I shoot it. 00:29:49 Speaker 3: And I mean for me as a great shot, I was pretty new archery, and we just carry that thing home. 00:29:54 Speaker 2: I saw the picture of me holding it by its neck. 00:29:57 Speaker 3: Of me just holding that grousement and then uh and then yeah, then I got there and then I got food poisoning. 00:30:06 Speaker 2: And then I did the same thing another time to another animal got sick. No, no, no, that was the next day. 00:30:13 Speaker 5: I remember. 00:30:14 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say that. 00:30:16 Speaker 1: That's yeah, sat limitations probably over at this point. 00:30:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so kidding, No, it was it? 00:30:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, legal? Yeah, gear prep you know, involve the kids when you are packing for the hunt, you know, give him ideas. It helps them kind of understand what's going on, why you need that. It's good learning stuff for when they get to that point. My kids, you know, they love being out here being a part of that. 00:30:46 Speaker 3: And like for you and me, we didn't have our dads didn't hunt growing up, so it is it is cool that we'll have I mean, you have the opportunity now, and I'll have the opportunity to show my son, like at least give him some information like, uh, I'm no expert by any means, but it will be nice. He'll be starting one leg up from where I was, uh when he starts hunting. So that's cool that like like where we I mean, yeah, YouTube is gonna have friends. Yeah, but it's nice prep camp. Yeah, they're gonna be prep camp. You can take that home to your son him. 00:31:19 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's that. We have that information for you. 00:31:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you have a weekend adventures, So yeah, this can be like a day or two, Like you can just go out and you can say hey, like you said, like the the weather's kind of getting to the point where you can sleep outside and in a few. Of course, like in one month it won't be you'll be too hot, but it's right around that time where you can go out and camp and like get a couple of days in and I mean literally like we're doing with the hunt camp, like we're just going out there and we're kind of just running through the motions, like kind of going like reaching the groove if you will, of like hunting and western hunting, and you can do the same thing with Eastern hunting. You're like, hey, we're gonna go, you know, on a white tail trip this fall. Then we'll just go out and we'll kind of you it'd be like this is what kind of what we'll be doing. We're gonna pack this stuff and then we'll shoot in the middle of the day and then we'll just do the whole simulation of it for a couple of days for the kids, uh, because. 00:32:09 Speaker 2: I mean they love that crap. I mean I did. I did too, So I'm just speaking from experience. 00:32:14 Speaker 4: They like Joe always loves when we cooked hear and then. 00:32:17 Speaker 2: He'll ask, hey, was this my deer? Yeah? 00:32:19 Speaker 4: Oh you know what I mean, it probably is after this year, yeah, probably, but put it in an arrow killed it here, put another arrow, killed it here, but that he's always super stoked. 00:32:29 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't don't. 00:32:31 Speaker 4: He doesn't see it as like him providing, but just to know it's his. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's it's still cool for all of us, probably like when you're like, dang, like I killed this thing, and especially like what you're saying, and they get to process it too, like they were part of the kill. 00:32:45 Speaker 2: They were a part of. 00:32:46 Speaker 3: The process and they get to and then yeah, and then they probably mean I'm sure they at least try to help cook sometimes. 00:32:51 Speaker 1: But yeah, there's cool. It's just that connection to your food too. You know. We obviously talk about it, but until you actually do it, it's hard to you know, get that to people or even kids. And still at some point they don't. They might understand it, and they might the older they get, they're gonna grasp it. Yeah, like, hey, it was a life and it was alive and now it's dead, and hey, we're we're not gonna waste them, you know where when it comes from a store. I hate to say it, but there's a disconnector like sure, you know, and. 00:33:18 Speaker 4: If they're there previous, it makes it even. 00:33:21 Speaker 1: More a little easier. 00:33:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, you, I mean, I definitely find myself like if I we've all been there, you have leftovers and fridge and you just don't eat them and they go old whenever it's like, dear meat, I feel so much batter's so. 00:33:34 Speaker 2: Much worse about it than if it were just. 00:33:37 Speaker 1: Won't let it happen. I won't let it happen. I can't. 00:33:41 Speaker 2: You know, It's crazy how much worse it feels because. 00:33:44 Speaker 1: This is the most expensive meat in the freeze, and. 00:33:47 Speaker 3: That, Yeah, the the preconceived notion that like you save money, hunting is very for very limited amount of people. That is the truth for most people, that is not the truth. If you want to if actually if you want to archery hunt, it all is not the truth. If you want a rifle hunt in your backyard and you want to wear cowboy boots and a flannel, you might make it work. 00:34:10 Speaker 6: I'll play Devil's advocate here because you can argue that hunting it's not just for the killing in the harlem. It's the adventure part of this. It fills up your cup, you know, things like that. And obviously shooting something is. 00:34:27 Speaker 3: Just don't go into it thinking you're saving money. We'll just say that, like, you're not going to save money. It's an investment. Let's say it's an investment. 00:34:33 Speaker 2: Investment to yourself. 00:34:35 Speaker 6: However, you can't go golfing and come back with one hundred pounds of games. 00:34:38 Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. 00:34:39 Speaker 1: You can't go golfing and come back with anything. You just did it my whole left legs. 00:34:47 Speaker 4: So next time you go buy that expensive cameo, just tell your wife. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm investing, investing in myself. I'm investing in our future and our future health. 00:34:55 Speaker 1: I'm filling my cup. 00:34:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, come on, I'm feeling I'm filling your cup too. 00:34:59 Speaker 1: You don't have to buy any expensive camo anymore though, now. Oh yeah, first, like it's gonna give us some stuff too for kim at it, keep adding. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: It to the bill. 00:35:11 Speaker 1: I think you know that's a That's an important part of it too, is making sure your wife you know you're gonna be gone for an extended period of time, or you're gonna be gone in an afternoon. Give her a little bit of a break too. Yeah. I think that's that part's overlooked. Yeah, it will be quickly forgotten, I'm sure within two days or three days, they're gonna be like, hey, where are you coming back. Usually it's like, yep, go you just enjoy it. And then by day three, you guys still haven't killed anything. You have to just hanging out with your buddies. You're like, I mean, yes, I am. 00:35:38 Speaker 3: It is fun, but I do have them trying to do something too, Like you're guilty about having fun. 00:35:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I don't think my wife. You know, hey, if you can get your wife to go your your wife hunts. Your wife hunts way, bro. She's more like mine where she's like, na, that's your thing, you know. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: Dude, she should. I think she's with me. A couple of times. She'll start crying if we see it. 00:36:01 Speaker 5: Dear. 00:36:02 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not gonna shoot that one. 00:36:03 Speaker 1: She's like, are you sure? 00:36:05 Speaker 5: Please? Don't thank you? 00:36:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, why are you here? You don't want to be You don't have to be here for me. 00:36:11 Speaker 3: Don't do it for me. I know you don't want to be here. See, she doesn't go anymore. She's went twice. It's she's she's done with it done. 00:36:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Hillary is the same way. She's not anti whatsoever, but she's just like, nah, it's not my thing. And then also, yeah, she just doesn't want to. But my kids are funny, you know, and she's fine with the kids being a part of it. Her dad hunted, so that helps. But yeah, yeah, so I mean chair or invite them into it if they want to do it. Bird just lets his wife kill everything. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just the got a love right there. 00:36:42 Speaker 1: Bird's just the Bird's always the bridesmaid. I just got always. Yeah. 00:36:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:51 Speaker 3: Bird is the epitome of don't get to go by myself. Love her the way that Jesus loved the church got. 00:36:59 Speaker 1: Bad yep, good one good point here, kind of a good closer. But hunting should make you a better person, yea, yeah, man or woman in it. Sometimes it does not make me a better person. But yeah, when I'm done, I'm like, man, this is I felt like there's nothing like going out west for a couple of weeks or you know, throughout the disconnected entire fall man. Every time I come back, I'm like, oh man. 00:37:23 Speaker 3: It is crazy. Like I think I said this last year, the things that matter don't matter. I greatly shrink when you realize in the grand scheme of things, like what is actually important and you come back and you're like, oh, like like you know, someone was supposed to email me back and it took them to it, or it took them twelve hours longer than it was then it was supposed to. 00:37:44 Speaker 2: And you're like, it's not the bend of the world. 00:37:47 Speaker 3: Like everything else is still continuing to happen if like that person doesn't send that email in the timely. 00:37:52 Speaker 2: Manner for me, you know, and it's like, it's not the big of a deal. 00:37:57 Speaker 1: Sweet, all right, what else we got to add? 00:38:01 Speaker 6: I just want to say one more thing. That top of the list, it talks about the one for one rule. I really like that rule and I try to act upon it as much as I can. 00:38:10 Speaker 2: If I know that I'm going to be gone for seven. 00:38:13 Speaker 6: Days this fall on a hunt throughout you know, say I just booked my third rifle OTC tag in Colorado, I'm going to be there the entire time seven days, I'm going to try to find ways that I'm going to match those days with non negotiable family days. Yeah, and like completely separate from hunting. It's whatever the kids want to do, whatever the wife wants to do. Just to truly invest that same time back into them that you're quote I mean, lack of a better term, taking away from. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Them as well. 00:38:45 Speaker 3: So you're saying I just I'll read it for a beatum on here. So like every day you spend on a hunt away from your family, try to spend on that amount of time, so one day uninterrupted family time at some point throughout this before the season started, throughout the year. So like I mean, I think an easy one for most of us would be, like on Sunday. Sunday is a great day because you're already you already should be on your sabbath. You should be taking your sabbath anyways, and you should be at least spending some time with your family. It doesn't have to be just like laying on the couch relaxing, Like you can go camping and like yeah, and if that is relaxation for you guys, and that's fine. So sometime of mostly I say, mostly on interrupted time with your family, Like. 00:39:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, at the same time you're investing into the hunt, you should be investing into those deaths. 00:39:34 Speaker 3: And it's not just for them, it's for you too. I think you need it just as much as they do. And it's good for everybody, not just you're not just doing it for them, you're doing it actually for yourself too, and you're doing it for the greater good of the family altogether. 00:39:45 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I'll say this, you do have to always go back to this, but you do have to figure out you have to take advantage of where you live. Yes, So like when you were like, hey, do you go camp when you're a little dude? Nobody tent camp? Some luis true, Like it's true, it's miserably hot all, you know what I mean. So, but you can go fish, not fly fish, but yeah, zebco fishing. 00:40:09 Speaker 2: Yeah uh, so you do you have to figure. 00:40:12 Speaker 4: Out like what works whatever area you're in and make sure you capitalize on. 00:40:16 Speaker 2: Those and what your family wants to do. 00:40:18 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, But I do think getting outside of some like you're saying, fishing is fine. Getting getting outside somehow with your family disconnecting like we're saying, because it does put you in put everything in perspective about how much some of that that noise is just noise, uh, and it doesn't matter as much. 00:40:36 Speaker 6: We also we all know that one or two things that our wives absolutely love to do with us that we think is really really annoying that we just don't like to do. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: You know, no, not my wife. I love to do everything my wife likes me to do. 00:40:50 Speaker 1: Same. 00:40:51 Speaker 2: Me and my wife agree on everything. 00:40:53 Speaker 1: Your wife watching this, My mine will. 00:40:59 Speaker 4: But I can't think of one thing. 00:41:01 Speaker 1: That you don't like to do well that she's like, Hey, I really. 00:41:04 Speaker 2: Like doing this. 00:41:06 Speaker 4: It's is pretty schal Your wife is pretty sure. 00:41:08 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:41:09 Speaker 6: I'm also blessed with a pretty chill wife too. But she likes gardening. I'm not the most passionate gardener, but I wish. 00:41:17 Speaker 3: Madison really got ya guard work. 00:41:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, she does not like when I don't care about the yard. 00:41:24 Speaker 2: Correct. 00:41:26 Speaker 1: My wife's pretty passionate about a lot of things. Yeah, it's true opinionated for sure. All right, all right, get out there and do it. Put in the time on fitness, put in the time with your family because September is coming. 00:41:45 Speaker 2: That's all I have to say about about that.