00:00:00 Speaker 1: You just ride around with some binoculars. You catch these and some of these bulls, I mean big, like imagine a bucking bull like as bigger, not bigger, if not bigger than that bison out there sharp porn's never seen a human. You ride in, catch it and it's trying to kill you, and these guys will rope it, tie it down like it's a calf. 00:00:20 Speaker 2: At a rodeo. 00:00:22 Speaker 3: What's the process for that? 00:00:24 Speaker 1: I mean, you find it. You get on top of a hill, you scan out across the valley. You see one and a half miles away there's a group of five. Figure out a way to get to them. You sneak up on them, somebody hazes them down to the bottom, and guys cut them off, and then you're just you take to them like you're at a team roping out here. 00:00:49 Speaker 2: The steaks are real effective. 00:00:51 Speaker 4: Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is in Pursuit brought to you by Mouth Knocks in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt in Pursuit Dale Brisbee Rodeo extraordinary. 00:01:25 Speaker 2: Is that your official title. 00:01:27 Speaker 1: World's Greatest bull Rider? But you know, I'll let it slide. 00:01:31 Speaker 4: Let it slide, all right? Next time you've got Scott Vanders salute always adjusting. 00:01:36 Speaker 3: This is the this is the first time I've been called up to the big show. Usually I'm a Spike Camp. 00:01:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 00:01:41 Speaker 4: So the way this, the way this podcast goes is we do we bring a guest on because nobody wants to hear us talk, and then the next podcast we'll usually talk about the guests or our current happenings in our fitness, whatever hunting journey. So your primetime big show. What Scott is saying in the Spike Camp? So Scott, So Scott usually gets to be on the Spike Camp. Yeah, He's usually the team. 00:02:06 Speaker 2: You're gonna need. 00:02:07 Speaker 1: You're gonna need two episodes to follow up my one just to talk about a legend that is fantastic. 00:02:15 Speaker 3: We need, we always need more contents. 00:02:17 Speaker 1: So you'll get a lot of FaceTime. 00:02:19 Speaker 2: FaceTime. 00:02:20 Speaker 3: That's what I'm here for. 00:02:21 Speaker 2: So you were in Tennessee. 00:02:22 Speaker 4: Currently, what were you What were you doing yesterday? 00:02:27 Speaker 1: Yesterday we were chilling. Saturday, we had a can Am event that I was announcing. Had a bunch of ambassadors go over to Hubert Rowling's house. He's the mechanic for Nitro Circus and those guys for Sturana. Anyhow, he put together a big track and then Canam had us or had some guys racing twelve. It was six ranchers, six racers racing against each other for to win a can Am So super cool. Yeah, it was super cool and I had all my money on the race. 00:03:00 Speaker 2: There. 00:03:00 Speaker 1: One of my buddies, Dustin battle Axe bald Spot Jones, was racing and I just knew he was gonna win, but they did. They did throw in like some curveballs for the race. What was the race, Yeah, the limited or so so it was. It was a mud track with a big hill, some rocks, but they threw in a tractor pull and a hey hey moving And I was thinking on the zoom call before. I was like, that's not enough for the ranchers, you know, like these are professional racers and you know the haybales. You gotta load for hay bails like anybody can do that, and uh, well they had to stay in the kN m across the track and so it came down to Tucker Brown. It was really more a farmer than a rancher. But in the in the finals against Dustin Jones, my buddy, and uh there was and one of his hay bails fell out and in the finals Dustin's did. So Tucker ended up winning, which is good for Tucker. I like Tucker, but yeah he won. He won a can am that they're gonna ship him. So it was super neat to watch. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: It was. 00:04:06 Speaker 1: It was Bryce Harper the Phillies. You had to put your seat belt back on when every time you got in have a safety thing on it. Yeah, I've got yeah, I keep limit. 00:04:17 Speaker 4: I don't let my kids drive the side by side without their seat belt, which sounds counterintuitive, but yes, it only goes fifteen miles an hour that way. 00:04:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got the limp mode, limp mode, yep. 00:04:27 Speaker 2: And uh but. 00:04:27 Speaker 1: Bryce his seat belt, I feel bad for him. Had a GoPro. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: Bryce was racing. 00:04:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, Bryce was one of the racers and his had a GoPro on it and it got tangled up and he didn't get it buckled all the way. Well then it came off and he like bounced off the logs and got stuck and got beat. 00:04:46 Speaker 3: And those camera guys have screwed up everything always. 00:04:50 Speaker 1: Well, they wanted all the angles for Bryce. I guess which he had a helmet on. So I don't know why they needed a go pro anyway, but it was fun. I was on the mic for almost six hours. Oh okay, yeah, that'll wear you out doing announcing. 00:05:04 Speaker 2: So it was just like head to head races. Yep uh. Speaking of haybills, the square bell is like a lost art. 00:05:10 Speaker 4: I feel like, and I've seen I haven't seen a square bell, and I forgot where. We were a couple of weeks ago and the kids were we were driving. Of course they see round bells all the time, but they saw square bells. 00:05:21 Speaker 2: Like, Dad, what is that? 00:05:22 Speaker 4: You don't know anything about some square belts until you had to put up some square bells. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, no way, that just came into my head. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: But yeah, stacking squares of the out of the field and then into a barn. It's now they got the tractor like they'll spit them out and stack them in like ten real tight packs of ten. Yeah, and they've got this big arm that'll reach over and just like hook all ten at the same time. And so big outfits will do that. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: But we were never a big We were not a big outfit. 00:05:52 Speaker 4: We were never a big outfit when I was a kid either. We didn't have a working ranch per se, but my dad we had. My dad bought a half broken horror for my sister. And he's not gonna put his daughter on he's gonna put his son, fourteen year old son on it. Yeah, because he was cheap. He didn't get a full broken horse. So we never really had a working farm, but we had chores, that was for sure. And we've loaded hay for some reason. I don't really know. Think it's for the neighbor, but man. 00:06:19 Speaker 2: But yeah, square, it's just something to reduce. 00:06:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just there's a science to it, like, especially whether you're throwing it up or down to like really angling it to where it can. You can throw a haybill a long ways if it hits on a corner the right way, but you can't you can't mess it up because it'll bust the bail and then it's a real headache. But yeah, there's a science to those, and then obviously stacking them. You find out on the highway who knows how to stack? 00:06:46 Speaker 2: So who doesn't? 00:06:47 Speaker 4: Gosh, you gets so itchy too. It's in the summer, sweaty, miserable stack. No, no, never had to. 00:06:54 Speaker 1: You would be the itchiest then the itchies unless you know about it, the more it really just you'll hay and spots. You didn't know so bad. I didn't even know what I needed to clean there, and hay is falling out two days later. 00:07:06 Speaker 4: Gosh, my kids don't know how good we have it with those round balls and the enclosed tractor. Right, yeah, ac man, the heat's great, but a see is the best. So so you had Clay out? Did he switch you over to mules being he did not? No, he tried, He tried, He did try. We got to hunt with Clay in Oklahoma last year. 00:07:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with mules. 00:07:28 Speaker 2: No, no mules. This was just hanging out. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: Mules or horses, either one hunting horseback or mule back. That makes me nervous. 00:07:36 Speaker 2: I'd rather walk. Yeah. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust hardly any of my horses doing it, much less someone else's. Regardless, we got to we took him out ranching though and so and then got in the arena and he we tried to get him to pick up on his mule. That didn't work out. Did you see the footage of that. 00:07:56 Speaker 2: I saw some of the highlights. I did. Watched the fool. 00:07:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, he got kicked square in the shin. Oh thought he broke his leg for a second, but he didn't. Oh it's funny too, because I was like, if you come in late and stop, she's this horse is gonna kick you. Yeah, and he was like in the head. I was like, no, I won't kick that hard. It'll be from a bug ankles and under your hip. And sure enough he came in. He did exactly what I said not to do. He stopped. The horse kicked him right where I said it was gonna kick him. But it snapped like it had a pop to it because it was hit his jeans and then hit the saddle pad and so it had this loud snap to it. And we thought he was but anyway, he's fine, fine, man. 00:08:40 Speaker 2: He's fine. 00:08:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, he loves some mules. We did talk a little bit of mules on podcast. I thought, you know, I'd read a book on George Washington. He was big on mules. That's all I know about mules. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think he's got this feeling like he's, you know, gonna change the horse world and people are gonna sw witch to mules. Like he's got this hot take and you know, like kind of like how CrossFit took over fitness and there's just this new and it's gonna blossom into this, you know, super popular way to ranch. And I don't think it's gonna happen, Clay, I don't think it's gonna Mules are good, duals are good. I don't. I'm not throwing you know shade. Mules are good, and farming is good. You know what I'm saying, Like there's areas I'm just I'm gonna ride horses and I'm gonna ranch. So that's just where I'm at. 00:09:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, we uh, you know I told you about our horses out there. 00:09:33 Speaker 4: We I bought my wife a horse. This is probably five years ago. Uh, just that read out there. She's part walking horse. She's super super tame, super timid. Well she's a little bit smaller. So me and my buddy who owned the farm here, we grew up together. I told you my extent of riding horses. That was we had a horse that was half broke as a kid. Well, we watched too much Yellowstone time and we had the bison. We're like, oh, yeah, we need a horse. You don't, you can't really heard you can. You don't need to herd ice him with a horse. But we you know, we bought this horse thinking that other horse is too small for two grown men. 00:10:12 Speaker 2: So we bought that quarter. 00:10:14 Speaker 4: Horse out there and he's headstrong roping horse, way outside of my expertise. And so we didn't have this small pasture over here, and we didn't have a round pen whach had one of these fields over here. These three fields that we run our bison in are four now, and they were just out there kind of you know, pasture and doing whatever. And one Sunday we decide, hey, let's go out there and ride him. Get them all saddled up, and he's kind of jumpy at this point, and I'm like, something's not right. You know, he had been a couple of weeks since he'd been ridden, and he's smart, and uh, throw the saddle on him and get him tied up, and I go to get on him and grab the reins. 00:10:52 Speaker 2: As soon as I grabbed the reins, He's gone. 00:10:54 Speaker 4: Full sprint, full buck and I'm like, this is not good. I don't need to be doing this in a round pen. I might try to ride it out. 00:11:01 Speaker 2: We're out in the. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: Middle of field, and so I go to bail. Well, I go to bail my foot gets kind of hung up in the stirrup. Not bad, but enough that like I'm I'm as high as he is and getting pulled yeah, and I'm like going arms out what last second? 00:11:16 Speaker 2: I turned land on my shoulder and then just skid and there was like. 00:11:19 Speaker 4: A six to eight foot patch of grass just gone. And so my wife, mat, his wife, and a couple of our kids are all out there and my wife. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: Is screaming, oh my god, Oh like you're. 00:11:29 Speaker 4: Okay, and I'm like, I'm fine, just give me a second. So I'm laying there on my back and I'm like, all right, toes are good. Nothing, you know, nothing's broke. I go to roll over and I'm like, go to press up, and I'm like I'm not ready yet. I wasn't bad hurt, but it was enough that I just needed a second. So when I go to push up, and go back down. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: She loses it. So the horse all he does is circles back. 00:11:50 Speaker 4: Runs right back to then yeah. Yeah, and so she's freaking out. I'm like, just give me a second. So I start walking back to him. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: She's like, what are you doing. I'm like, I'm just gonna going to go for a walk. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: So me and Poncho go for a walk and I just tell him all the ways that I'm angry at him. 00:12:04 Speaker 2: And I come back. 00:12:05 Speaker 4: She's like, what are you doing. I'm like, I'm getting back on him. So I get back on me and he was fine. But from then on I was like, oh, okay, I need to actually learn what the heck we're doing with these horses. 00:12:15 Speaker 1: And so it's so it's crazy because like in the horse world, you can technically get what you pay for, but it's just what your goal is with that animal. And like when you say roping horse, yeah he's going. 00:12:31 Speaker 2: He wants to go. He wants to go, and he you know. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: Every once in a while you look out with these highland cows and he's trying to hurt him up and put him wherever he wants. Just randomly, you just be looking out and they're running around and that's just that's just what he does. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: He stood in there with the bison too, yes, and almost got taken out. 00:12:47 Speaker 2: Jason, Laura's husband. 00:12:49 Speaker 4: He's done some actual like riding and hurting and one of these bisons came up to him. He was trying to push it and it just went like this, and I'm like, hey, let's just use it side by side from now. And it ain't worth it, you know, because dude. 00:13:03 Speaker 1: Buffalos are mean. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, they get. 00:13:07 Speaker 1: They'll look in buffalo hook you. 00:13:08 Speaker 4: They're fine until you get them in a confined space and they go, they go anywhere they want to go. 00:13:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you remember old Man Barlow he got hooked by a buffalo? 00:13:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah Barlow. 00:13:20 Speaker 1: Sorry on some dove quote. Whatever happened to oh Man Barlow? He met at Buffalo. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: He married a. 00:13:28 Speaker 1: Fat widow with a passle of kids down on the Blanco River. And you might as well do the same if you don't want to chase buffalo. 00:13:34 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's a lonesome dove I like it deep track. 00:13:37 Speaker 1: But the point is he's right. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: Buffalo are mean. They're aggressive. 00:13:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, you gotta be careful. We used to when I was a kid, I worked at a cutting horse place, and we would use buffalo because they can go all day. 00:13:49 Speaker 2: That's what somebody said. 00:13:50 Speaker 4: They'll get yearling calves and they'll try to cut them because they can just run forever. 00:13:56 Speaker 1: And we mean cutting horses like you don't actually like get a knife out. 00:13:59 Speaker 4: There's no I feel like this audience might be a little bit more burst in that type. It was the rich Phony podcast. We might get some people that are like, you can't cut horses. 00:14:08 Speaker 2: That's a nice We get a lot of that. Yeah. 00:14:12 Speaker 4: They the guys that we get got are like starter eight from They will lease I guess some bison buffalo to the two guys to cut, to learn to cut, or you know, practice cutting, because they'll go all day. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: You get them stressed, high stressed. That's what we learned real quick. 00:14:33 Speaker 1: Man. I was high stressed last night. 00:14:35 Speaker 2: What'd you do? 00:14:35 Speaker 1: Y'all's intern coming across that parking lot. 00:14:38 Speaker 2: Dodd's scare you? 00:14:39 Speaker 1: What was it? What's his name? 00:14:41 Speaker 3: I loved referring to him as the intern. That's great, bro. 00:14:44 Speaker 1: I was like checking the parking lot like the Bourne Supremacy, and I'm Jason Bourne over there because I try to pay attention it don't cost you a time. And out of the shadows back in the yeah, okay, yeah, out of the shadows comes this guy. It wasn't so much and then it's just like, I mean, tough walking, and I was like, dude, this is odd because the direction he was walking, just like onto the street up this hill where. 00:15:09 Speaker 2: I was going to pop Eyes. Pop Eyes were yeah, you were, it. 00:15:13 Speaker 1: Was just but the way I mean he's going to he was crossing a major road. And then at the very last minute I saw his hoodie said pray and. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, okay, we're good. 00:15:21 Speaker 1: Maybe unless he's like trying to throw me off, which I didn't think he was, you know, but like bearded guy kind of walking like but almost like like in top heavy, you know, like like like he might like, don't stop too quick, he might fall over. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was just like, watch this guy. 00:15:39 Speaker 4: A lot of Dodds is like a intimidating not necessarily intimidating, but yeah, no, I wouldn't be intimidated by Dodds. 00:15:50 Speaker 1: That's because you know him as the intern. 00:15:52 Speaker 4: No, No, I know Dodds before he was the intern at the time. Technically, today is his first day is the intern. For me, it was the stranger walking off the parking lot, the praise stranger. Yeah, all right, so fitness, we just talked, We talked, we dabbled a little bit, and like what, uh, what do you do for fitness? 00:16:08 Speaker 2: Now? 00:16:09 Speaker 1: I do something every day like it, so uh yeah, if if I'm able to get in the gym that day that like there wasn't like a major scheduling conflict, I'm in there. So I may not work out very long, but I typically do something every day. I'll do some rows. I love pull ups. I'm not very good at them, but I enjoy that. 00:16:33 Speaker 2: I do. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: I do some classic stuff like like just basic weightlifting like I do. I like squats. They're not great for my back surgeries, but I still I'll go light. 00:16:44 Speaker 2: What kind of back surgeries you're talking? 00:16:46 Speaker 1: They skectomies and just shave off the discs. So not like as bad as some people's or anything like that yet correct. But and then shoulder surgery, collarbone, those are the main injuries shoulders. 00:17:03 Speaker 2: You have, uh, labrum, rotator, cuff or just. 00:17:07 Speaker 1: Had to graph a bone okay, whatever your bone your bicep is attached to. You had to move that, so my bicep is is moved a little. And then because I dislocated my shoulder five times, I brought my callb on three times. And anyways, so my all my workouts kind of revolve around those things. But I was running a lot getting ready for Cam Haynes. 00:17:31 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, been there. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: I had been running quite a bit. 00:17:34 Speaker 3: And then I have we should have prepared for that? 00:17:38 Speaker 1: I had not. 00:17:39 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, well I don't run a ton. Notably, I don't have much left in my left niece of running. Does flir it up? I think I ran a ten k like a week before. 00:17:51 Speaker 2: That was it? 00:17:52 Speaker 4: And then that six five six Cam was like six. I guess Cam was like, hey, we're gonna get some morning mile. We'd gotten in at two am. He shows up at eight yep, and the morning miles were twenty. 00:18:06 Speaker 2: That was our morning miles. 00:18:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. Now what episode were you? 00:18:13 Speaker 3: Maybe ten? I don't know. 00:18:14 Speaker 1: Okay, so I was before Oh I was number six, but I can't remember who had gone before me, but they had gone pretty much. Everyone had done pretty much a marathon. 00:18:24 Speaker 3: I think Michael Chandler did a marathon. Yeah, he was like maybe the first. 00:18:27 Speaker 1: One one of the first Yeah, I had in the furthest I'd ever ran up to that point was eleven miles. And yeah, that day we went like twelve and a half and I was so nervous. But it was right around that time that I really started to fill my hips. But after we ran, we went to the bow rack and I'm miked up and I'm back and forth to the bathroom like multiple times. 00:18:56 Speaker 2: And. 00:18:59 Speaker 1: Sweet little uh Wayne was just like, uh man, you might want to check on Dale. And Cam's like, no, he's a runner. He did good, and he was like, I don't know if he's a runner. Like on the audio you can hear me. I'm throwing. It's coming out both thos, oh all of it. I never ran that far, much less that hard, that far with a mountain. I'm from Texas. Yeah, and uh yeah. So so later reviewing this, yeah, reviewing the footage they've heard, they're like, oh, yeah, like he was just trying real hard. He's not necessarily a runner. 00:19:33 Speaker 2: He was just like just trying. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: I was just terrified that. I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna lask on it, but we didn't. I think he was kind of gauging he was like he was giving. 00:19:41 Speaker 4: Me prop Looking back, he was hyping you up the whole time. He did it to us, He's like, you're going great. I'm like, no, I'm doing terrible. 00:19:47 Speaker 2: Man. 00:19:47 Speaker 1: Also, with me, compared to you, his expectations of what I was about to do were way low. Like he thought we were about to like go to the top of the mountain and be done like two miles and then we're done. So so the fact he was like super pumped because this YouTube cowboy comedian out of Texas like exceeded his exact But uh, but yeah, around then, like I was running at least four miles every day and I would go I would stretch it to eight ten sometimes and I loved it. But my hips did not love it, did not And I went to the doctor mri back, you know, went to my surgeon. He was like, yeah, you got some major You ever heard of what's it called arthritis? 00:20:28 Speaker 3: You ever heard of burrow racing? That might be the sport for you. With donkeys, Yeah, you run them out? 00:20:35 Speaker 2: What is it? 00:20:35 Speaker 3: What this means? 00:20:36 Speaker 2: Are they like many donkeys? 00:20:38 Speaker 3: You're trying to get me on donkeys. I think they're just the same as a donkey. 00:20:41 Speaker 2: I want a many, but like one of those burrow little little ones. 00:20:44 Speaker 3: But the burrow racing, what happens. They do it in Leadville. So I went out there filming a project this summer and one of the guys, Curtis's buddy, the sheriff Heath, he did one of the burrow races and they have to run with the with the donkeys, and so what will happen sometimes is like the finish line might be twenty yards away and and they're about to win, and that thing is like I'm done, And so these guys are trying to drag it across the finish line. Yeah, to win the race or whatever, but that I mean, the donkey doesn't care. 00:21:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that to you and clay Man, y'all try and get me around these donkeys. 00:21:21 Speaker 3: I think it would be so fun trying. And I guess like some of them won't cooperate the whole time, so they're trying to drag them through the trail. But they'll run like a marathon with them. And yeah, yeah, yeah, I couldn't believe it was a real thing, but I guess it's a big deal. 00:21:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, on brand with your hips. Yeah, if you tried the hip halo or any like banded like, I'll show you some hip exercises. I every once in a while get some just hip soreness. I think more tendonitis than anything. There's probably nothing left in my hips. But I don't want to like go get an image because if you don't know what's there, then there's nothing there, you know. That's kind of my idea with MRIs. And so I'll we get some exercise. We can show you. A hip halo seems to help if I stay pretty regular with it. Nice if you can get everything else strong strengthen around it. 00:22:07 Speaker 1: So now I mainly just do right around Elk season I'll do I'll do a lot of walking on a treadmill with it cranked up on incline. But other than that, we just do a lot of jiu jitsu. 00:22:19 Speaker 2: No nice jiu jitsu. 00:22:22 Speaker 1: A couple we no, I mean, I'm not any good at it. No, we just do it. 00:22:26 Speaker 2: We just do it. 00:22:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't, man, I'm everybody keeps trying to get me to do it. I just feel like I've got some pretty limited range of motion and some joints that it would it would not end well for me because I cannot just. 00:22:38 Speaker 2: Sit there not. Yeah. 00:22:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be willing to know I've heard. Yeah, you gotta be willing to tap. These guys, know they get me on the right side, Like my arm is even begins. I'm like, all right, once you're okay with tapping, then it's it can be more fun. But and and but there's a humility side to it because I'm sure you're competitive. 00:23:01 Speaker 2: I'd hate it. 00:23:02 Speaker 1: And you're also pretty strong, so like you just feel like you can like muscle through this thing. 00:23:09 Speaker 2: And you can't. Yeah, you can't. 00:23:11 Speaker 3: We just had John Welborne on and he trains apparently some of the best jiu. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: Jitsu, he's jiu jitsu. 00:23:19 Speaker 3: Jiu jitsu athletes, jiu jitsuers in the world. And he seemed to think it was all in the hips, right. 00:23:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's big on hips. You also have to know John Welborne played seven or eight seasons in the NFL as defensive lineman and now doing jiu jitsu. 00:23:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine he is not with an offensive. 00:23:37 Speaker 2: Smaller than he was. He's probably two fifty to seventy. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably all he did is got rid of the fat that he needed to carry for weight, and he kept all the muscle is massive. 00:23:48 Speaker 2: I'd hate to. 00:23:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I put over there. 00:23:53 Speaker 1: We've we've been rolling about two years now, and every time we get a new intern, it's kind of like they kind of got a roll. That's part of the job, have you. I mean, no, it's you would think, but no, they all whip me every time. Oh for sure, these new guys like they'll come in there twenty two years old. Oh yeah, and inevitably they've all either like played football or wrestled. 00:24:16 Speaker 2: Wrestled. You're screwed. Yeah, all my cousins wrestled. You're done. 00:24:19 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. There's not we there's I think six of us sometimes eight this last time. No, it's eight guys total that we all are rolling in there. I can't beat one of them. Four of them are brand new to jiu jitsu. But uh, anyway, I feel do it at the house still getting Yeah. 00:24:38 Speaker 4: You got a full gym at the house, right, yes, sir. Then you got some mats at the house too, yes, sir. 00:24:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a. 00:24:42 Speaker 1: Purple belt that's local that comes by. Yeah, trains it. Oh yeah, he will turn you into a little pretzel. But he knows too, like a lot of those guys, especially when they're good. Like people say, like, man, he goes too hard. Like no, if you just like somebody, I'll tap to pressure. I don't care like I mean, like somebody might just hug me hard. 00:25:05 Speaker 2: I'm out. 00:25:05 Speaker 1: I'm out like I'm not here to get hurt. I'm not here to prove a point. I just want to learn. I want to learn. 00:25:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I think that's honestly, That's what I enjoy most about hunting, too, is learning. 00:25:15 Speaker 2: It's just something I didn't grow up. Did you grow up hunting? 00:25:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we were. We were always horseback. We were always I mean we would hunt like I can remember random dove hunts and deer hunts. We always hunt pigs at night, like we would. That's what I did the most, is like spotlighting pigs. But uh, I mean it was a priority. My dad had a bow. But rodeo and ranching just kind of we're always the main problem. 00:25:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't grow up. 00:25:44 Speaker 4: I mean we grew up, you know, once again, not on a working ranch or farm, but we had chores. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: You know, we had eleven twelve acres and my parents. 00:25:52 Speaker 4: I feel like we're just always projects. You know, every weekend you're like, it's the last project we got, Yeah, we're home free from now on the next one, it was like something stupid. 00:26:00 Speaker 2: You're like, what are we doing? 00:26:01 Speaker 4: So, yeah, we had chores and then you know, that's why we started the ranch here. It was so the kids had something to do with something we can all do together. So like yesterday we were trying to fix the water. We got a little leak, slow leak in there. 00:26:13 Speaker 2: So it's just cool to have that. 00:26:14 Speaker 4: But yeah, so now I'm trying to like instill the hunting into the kids where it's you know, they want to go out and hunt with us. Obviously our kind of passion minus Scott, I think especially or is Western hunting. 00:26:25 Speaker 2: So you were talking. You went on elk Konnt this year, on Elkhunt every year? 00:26:28 Speaker 1: Or I have the last three? Okay, got got one my first two years. This year we were skunk. 00:26:33 Speaker 2: Where did you go this year? 00:26:35 Speaker 1: It's called Bear Mountain. It's in Kremlin, Colorado. They do Mountain Oops. Oh yep, they go they get mountain Oops. Since me and other Mountain Oops employees there every year, it's a great place. 00:26:48 Speaker 2: He did tell me, you want to go in that access hunt. We're going to go in May. That's that's a fun hunt. 00:26:53 Speaker 1: I sure might I had, but like like in May, like I go help some guys brand over a week and a half and it's already a busy month. And that's where like I hate, I'm not trying to downplay hunting. I do. Like we're trapping. I've got a thermal like as soon as I get tomorrow. 00:27:13 Speaker 2: Night skunk thing huh. 00:27:15 Speaker 1: Uh Yeah, our little town of Winnebago, we got skunks and all the intern houses. You don't have to have a permit if you trap on your own property, and so mostly a trap on my own property. Uh, there's a few abandoned houses that maybe the trap. But anyway, we got Yeah this year, I think I'm up to seventy four skunks. 00:27:41 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 00:27:42 Speaker 1: But there there was a stretch for three weeks, twenty three days where I trapped thirty seven. 00:27:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was following along one Instagram. 00:27:48 Speaker 3: You got a hat yet, we've got one jacket. 00:27:52 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're I don't. I'm just I'm not two into skinning them. Yeah, we just trap them. 00:27:59 Speaker 4: And relocate the relocate them to heaven to skunk Kevinunn wherever skunks and the. 00:28:07 Speaker 1: Skunks in our county are rampant with rabies. Yeah, so unapologetically we do. And then I've lost a horse this year to EPM, which they can get from all varmits, mainly primarily possums. All varmints can. Yeah, it's a neurological thing, and they'll go to acting drunk. They start crossing their front feet and like swaying lp and the hay. Yeah, some people it's called possum's disease EPM, but uh, I've had two vets tell me that really any varment can give. 00:28:44 Speaker 2: It to them. 00:28:45 Speaker 1: So that's what That's what really turned up the volume on my trapping around my area because like we had a one horse die from it. And this horse popped up and started like stumbling around like it's drunk and then was dead in two hours. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: Jeez. 00:29:00 Speaker 1: And then but my good horse got it. I was picking up at a rodeo and he was like kind of stumbling and he got it. And we tested for it because it's expensive to test and treat, and long story short, yeah, we relocate them to heaven. 00:29:17 Speaker 3: How does the place get a skunk problem? 00:29:20 Speaker 2: Bro? 00:29:21 Speaker 1: Just I think if they go unchecked, and there's a little creek goes through our town where like they'll they'll kind of like I think that's where they mainly live. And then every house feeds cats. Dude, there's, however, many skunks we got quadrupleting and that's only cats, the stray cats we got in this town. 00:29:39 Speaker 3: Should the cats be taking care of these skunks? 00:29:42 Speaker 1: No, No, they don't care. They all just live together. They eat out of the same bowls. But every dang house, it's like the town is against me. They're all like, it's like it's the town against Dale. And maybe it's because of my shenanigans, the explosions, bulls running through town, horses getting out my donkey. I used to have a minature donkey. Be careful of those. Really goes knew he learned how to open doors, went in my neighbor's house, he came inside, My donkey was in his kitchen. So, like I do, kind of sometimes stir up the town, I guess. And so, but yeah, I'm going around every morning checking my traps in my cannon plug and I'm either got raccoons, possums, skunks, decimates the turkey population as well. Yeah, we don't have a ton of turkeys right there, but because you have so many skunks. Maybe it's because we've got so many skunks. But yeah, I'm seventy three on the year. I'm doing my part, doing your part. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: We had a skunk one time. We have an outside cat, barn cat. She's a killer. 00:30:43 Speaker 4: We leave the garage door, yeah, so she can come in and out, you know, in the winter especially, and her food's in there. One evening, we have a fridge outside that's mainly just drinks. I was going out to get a spin drift not shameless plug. 00:30:57 Speaker 2: They still don't pay us. But anyway, I was walking out there and all of a sudden. 00:31:00 Speaker 4: I see a skunk dart out and I'm like, whoa, And Hillary's like, what's out there? 00:31:04 Speaker 2: So it's a skunk. 00:31:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, that thing got in. We had another story. We have a double door that goes into our bedroom and my son, when he was like four, just plowed right through it with his like step car or whatever. And so we had a door to replace that door, and it was sitting out there. Well, it had sat out there for a month or two because I. 00:31:26 Speaker 2: Hadn't got to painting it. 00:31:27 Speaker 4: The skunk had built a nest, you know how it's like, you know, has a piece of one by to keep it together, but it's the full door plus the molding, and it was underneath there. And I'm like walking through the garage getting ready. We were going on a hunting trip and there's liquid the hells that. Hillary's like, oh, it must be a pipe, bust. I'm like, there's no pipe underneath our concrete floor in the garage. 00:31:54 Speaker 2: The thing had like nested and was just pissing on there. So I peek. 00:31:58 Speaker 4: Under the door and skunk staring at me, squaring the face, which is better than yeah, looking at that. But and so I just start, I get a strap and start dragging it out, and it's just spraying everywhere beneath that door. 00:32:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's it's if you if you're having a good day and you and I got twenty traps going at any given time. If you if you're having a good day and you get four skunks, it's whatever. If you're having a bad day, catching a skunk or seeing one, or interacting one will make it way worse. I get it will. It will make a bad day worse. 00:32:30 Speaker 2: But what how do you we're on a tangent here. But once they're in. 00:32:35 Speaker 1: The trap, I like to depending on where they are. I mean, some people just shoot them right there, but like you can if you'll walk up the trash bag the door side of it, you know, it'll kind of block their view and then hopefully the wind is right and then you just walk up slow with a big trash bag big enough to and then you can you can walk up and uh work it into the and then once you once you get the bag over them, they'll still spray and you'll smell it. But it's real easy to get it. I mean, you take a shower and nobody knows you trapped a skunk that day, but there's trapped. They make traps where if the skunk goes in, the whole thing is already enclosed. They're more expensive, yeah, and I just I don't know if they'll also work for the possums and raccoons. Maybe they will, but I kind of like to know what I've got trapped before, yeah, before you So anyways, it's uh, it's not the most but yeah, chicken houses, they're all around those. I got real nervous. All my inventory from my pareline which is kind of that's my main bread winter is my parel line. And so I started getting nervous about it getting like a fire in the warehouse, and so I got I invested in a few shipping containers. That way it's separate, and then you know, those are a ride off, and so I was just like, this will be good and then I can always sell them. It was all great, So I've got inventory in those, until skunks started getting under them. That's the one weakness. Yeah, they're separate, you know, fire in the warehouse, I still got inventory. 00:34:16 Speaker 2: Skunk's breaking inventory. 00:34:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, but so long as it's not a direct hit, but time it's usually. 00:34:24 Speaker 2: Going to be okay. 00:34:25 Speaker 3: Time heals all wounds, even skunks. 00:34:29 Speaker 4: If you do decide to go to the shooting route, do they dispel their Oh yeah, baby, that's the hard part too, huh yep. 00:34:37 Speaker 1: So we started trying to give them a fair shake and we let them out and then shoot. But like I said, they got rabies. I'm not I am not for like just you know, unnecessary like killing just for the same I'm really not like that. That'll make my stomach curt if people are just like but there's also a line like, if it's something that can kill a horse, if it's something that's got Raby's like, well get him tested, all right, that's okay, that's my line. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna test them. We're not going to test him. How do you get them tested? 00:35:09 Speaker 3: So you got skunked in Colorado this year? Did you see did you have a lot of action or was it a pretty just no action? 00:35:16 Speaker 1: No action as the third week of September. 00:35:18 Speaker 2: It was supposed to be. 00:35:19 Speaker 3: Supposed to be perfect. It's always supposed to be. 00:35:22 Speaker 2: Hey, this is did you ever hear this is weird? Or it's you never never like this? We always get that, Yeah, that's our. 00:35:31 Speaker 1: Like, well, the first two years, I mean it was like weird year was weird year, and so if that had been my first year, I might have been like what are you are you just saying that? But the first two years like he put us on them and uh, archery, Yeah, And that's the other thing. I mean, it's even on a good year, Archery is pretty hard. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: Archery is hard, man. 00:35:55 Speaker 4: We rifle is hard in its own right too. It's just a completely different style of hunting. 00:36:01 Speaker 2: I enjoy. You know, I'm not a purist. 00:36:05 Speaker 4: When it comes to hunting, Like, I'm an equal opportunity shooter. I love archery. It's probably my favorite, but man rifle we had the we joked, but I had the epiphany this year. I think rifle cow elk hunting is my favorite because you can just kind of hang out. There's no pressure to kill a giant, you know, bull, but you could still get really good meat out of it. And it's just kind of fun to go around and oh, here's a cow, can we get to it? 00:36:30 Speaker 2: You know? 00:36:31 Speaker 4: But man archery elk hunting will humble you quick. I had a really good year last. 00:36:36 Speaker 3: Year and then just really bad year this year. 00:36:38 Speaker 1: This year, yeah, like it was the first year he put me close to one once and I just didn't as my first year, I didn't really step around and take a shot like I probably could have. But I got one on the last evening of the last day. So four days, eight hunts and the last day and I got a little five by five and uh. And then the second year, opening mourning, he was like, this is where they're going to be, and so I got this. He ended up scoring like three or four, had two main beams off of one side. He was kind of gnarly and uh and then people are throwing rocks that it was a canned hunt, you know, so it was just like I don't know, of course, but I got rocks thrown at me just because it was a guided hunt. 00:37:22 Speaker 4: Oh I didn't realize, was it. It's a no no man. You're allowed to learn, you know, allowed to learn from anybody. Oh I guess you got to watch YouTube videos and only do it that way. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. But Bear Mountain is like it's not like it's a super affordable hunt. I mean, like working men are going there and uh and still hard. But like I said, dude, that you know, CrossFit is to you is like Rodeo is to me, Like that's my jam is Rodeo, ranching anything on a horse. Like like I said, hunting is fun, break a bullet, there you go. But hunting is like it's definitely a hobby for me. So like I don't feel the need to go get out in the open those two poor kids this year. Dude, I'm not going out there by myself. I'm never a hunt, you know, Like, yeah, I don't know anything about ELK. I'm going to take a guy to hunt, Like that's just. 00:38:18 Speaker 2: I had a buddy that he went on a guy. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: I'm a comedian, Okay, Like that's a resident I'm doing for disaster. 00:38:23 Speaker 2: I enjoy hunting, and I want to go enjoy it. Don't want to. 00:38:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, I had a buddy that he killed this year and it was a on a ranch, but I think people confuse ranch with like high fence. And he was like, hey, I want to You don't want to thank the guy, but I don't want to get lit up on comments. And I was like, here's the deal. People are going to be excited for you because they're excited for you. People are going to be mad at you just because they want to be mad at you for killing, but they also want to be mad at you. There's also this other subgroup that wants to be mad at you because you didn't do it the hard way. 00:38:54 Speaker 2: And so, I mean, we did a mix of all three this year. 00:38:56 Speaker 4: We went by, we went and you know, then you got this whole we get We went with the born raised guys, and it's not guided, but you are on private land. 00:39:10 Speaker 3: You're paying for land access. 00:39:11 Speaker 4: Paying for land access, and it's super affordable again, and it's a little bit of DIY like we can go out and luckily worth born and raised guys, which they know what the heck they're doing, and we've learned a ton throughout the years from them and from others, and so you got this kind of like but we've done a mix of all three this year, and I will grab heat on whatever. And it's like, man, whatever floats your boat, you know, like there's. 00:39:31 Speaker 2: A good way to learn. 00:39:31 Speaker 4: You can go out and do the back country ten twelve, fifteen days, which maybe I would like to do eventually, but I've got three kids, and if I leave for two or three weeks at a. 00:39:42 Speaker 2: Time, my wife's gonna kill me. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: It means you're not gonna hunt exactly exactly. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: So week at a time, a couple of weeks back, week at a time works out best for me. 00:39:52 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm different. 00:39:54 Speaker 2: I just I don't. 00:39:56 Speaker 1: I'm all for like capitalism, and you know, like if somebody works hard and builds a ranch and I don't know whatever, that's me. I don't even mind high fence, to be honest, that doesn't bother me. That's a which that's a hot take. I'm sure I'll catch flak for. But like you get a big enough piece of property, bro a couple thousand acres, because there's I mean, a deer doesn't use that much and when it's like time to hunt, like you'll see the same deer on low fence like over and over all year, and so you get a big enough whatever. 00:40:34 Speaker 2: That's just me. 00:40:35 Speaker 3: Do you hunt white tail down in Texas? Very much like closer to home? 00:40:39 Speaker 1: I haven't like I used to. I have, but I just I haven't really prioritize the time for it. 00:40:50 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:40:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I go, I do the elk thing with the archery elk, and then I'll go noodling, and then I'll do some third stuff at night, sometimes with a twenty two. Like I haven't even done thermals with hogs. 00:41:05 Speaker 2: I used to. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: I used to spotlight hogs at night all the time, but as of lately, you know, I'm usually like hunting varmits at night with the thermal or noodling in the summertime and then a little bit of artrioch. But that's kind of my I just don't have a lot of time to hunt. Yeah, Clay wants to take me squirrel hunting horseback with I think shots or horse that sounds fun or even pigs horseback. That also sounds fun in some wheat fields in Oklahoma. So like that, that's kind of up my alley. But I'd love to. 00:41:46 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:41:46 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not. I don't I'm not craving filling up my schedule with just hunts ever, because I'm gonna go to rodeos I want to go to. 00:41:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, do what you want to do. 00:41:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, what kind of depends on time of the year. You know, we get our summer gets locked up with CrossFit stuff, but then fall, especially September, first part October. I'll I'll ease up my schedule just to hunt, just because I've gotten just eat up with it. 00:42:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I enjoy it. 00:42:17 Speaker 3: You do much roping of buffalo at all. 00:42:22 Speaker 1: I've never roped a buffalo. 00:42:24 Speaker 3: I was interested to hear what your take might be on like maybe like roping one and then cast rating it. 00:42:31 Speaker 2: So here's the story. 00:42:33 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, before my wife had the Highland cows, we had the buffalo out here. 00:42:39 Speaker 3: I needed an expert opinion. 00:42:40 Speaker 4: And uh, we had the first one born out here. 00:42:45 Speaker 2: We named it. 00:42:45 Speaker 3: It was actually we named it that was the first pai. 00:42:49 Speaker 4: My wife named it once you name it exactly, and so you don't necessarily cast rate buffalo because there's no you don't steer like it. Just you don't have the benefits of a steak with buffalo. It's gonna eat the same exactly. And I think it actually stunted its growth. But anyway, that's a whole nother story for sure. And uh so it was named it was named after a family friend. Our family friend then passed away. He's a marine man. He's a marine and my veterans day to day, so you know, Tom. 00:43:21 Speaker 2: Thanks. But uh so, Hillary said we could never slaughter him. 00:43:29 Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's how that worked. 00:43:30 Speaker 4: Well, we don't want him to eventually impregnate his sisters or his mother, so you have to castrate him. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: So we called uh Cody, what's Cody's last name? You might know him. 00:43:42 Speaker 4: He did some he was in PBR for a while. Man, I can't remember Cody's last name. Cody came out and roped Wilson and we jumped on him and castrated him right there. 00:43:52 Speaker 2: So Wilson is still out there. 00:43:54 Speaker 1: And yeah, I. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: Can't remember what Cody's last name was. Yeah, we did a whole YouTube video on it. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: Wilson's life camera. 00:43:59 Speaker 1: Remember how many codies I have in my phone, but it's like sixty three or something bodies, So like you gotta give me the last name. 00:44:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have to look, but yeah, and we actually had to have we had three that we. 00:44:14 Speaker 1: I don't I don't mind the roping part when it comes to Like, I just I wouldn't know much about the buffalo side of things, but like, yeah, whenever we brand and castrate down in I gotta fly down in Texas. Like usually we'll we'll drag calves, meaning like put them in a pin. Yeah, we strip them off the mamas, so it'll be a big pin full of babies, and then we'll heal them, rope them, and then we drag them to the fire and two guys will flank them and hold them down while they get vaccinated, branded and then if their males castrated and so that is how we do that. 00:44:57 Speaker 4: To all this is we didn't have a working facility. Now we have a work facility. That's how we would do it now, but we just didn't have it back then. 00:45:03 Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying even you know, like a lot of these big ranches, middle mid sized ranches, like they won't have it'll just be big pins without like shoots. So like we'll still drag calves to the to some flankers. I'm not sure how they do it over I'm sure here in Tennessee they probably. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: Cody Brewer, that's it, you know, Cody Brewer. I don't think so that's Cody. 00:45:27 Speaker 3: So branding is that is that mostly what you help with? 00:45:31 Speaker 1: Then, yeah, there's a few different things that they'll do on a ranch. So like when you ran, when you work on a ranch full time, you'll help all all in every the entire year, you know, and uh, there's all kinds of things. But twice a year a typical ranch in Texas, in the spring they will brand, uh, drag calves. That's when they're going to vaccinate, cash rate all those things. And that's fun because you get to gather sort and rope. And then in the fall you'll wean, which is really just gathering sort and so and it's usually cold, but those two activities that happen that will usually a lot of ranchers will hire day workers, it's what they call them, so like just a few extra hands because all your full time help, you know, it's just a little bit more labor into this. And so now I you know, I've got my own cows. But I like in May you're talking about the hunt, like, I'll go day work at various places, so and will brand and I day worked a little bit this fall, help and wean, and so those are the two activities that I'll go do and for me at this point in my life, that's not how I make my living. So it's almost I'll get content, but it's also kind of like my hunting trip. 00:47:00 Speaker 4: It's what we do and with the buffalo in the fall and spring, same exact thing, except for we don't do much weaning right now, and then. 00:47:09 Speaker 2: We don't brand because there's really no point in it. Here. 00:47:12 Speaker 3: They've probably got a little better system then we do here. 00:47:15 Speaker 4: We've got ours dial down, though. I think this next time should be easy. 00:47:18 Speaker 1: There's one more trip that I do take that it's it's kind of like a hunting trip, but it's I've only done it one time, but it's in Arizona. We went in February. There's a team roper that uh, he's Navajo and he's kind of a legend. He's been to the NFL. This will be his twelfth trip and hopefully wins the world this year. But Derek Bagay uh from Arizona and Uh, those reservations out there, hundreds of thousands of acres and there's you know, it's wild mountains and desert area, and so there's a lot of what we call maverick cattle and it's just wild cattle that rome. And so these reservations will have ranch managers. So a certain man will be in charge of these two hundred thousand acres, and so a group of guys who know him will usually sometimes get that they have to have permission, and they'll go in. We'll set up camp for a week two weeks and catch as many maverick cattle as they can, lead them out, put them on trailers, take them to the ceilbarn, and then they split. 00:48:23 Speaker 2: That with the reservation. 00:48:26 Speaker 1: So but it's all you got to have permission, you got to have you know, you got to be invited. It's not you can't just go out there, obviously. And so I got to go with Derek and a group of guys this this spring and just ride around with some binoculars. You catch these and some of these bulls, I mean big like imagine a buck and bull like as big or not bigger, if not bigger than that bison out there sharp porn's never seen a human. You ride in, catch it and it's trying to kill you, and these guys will rope it, tie it down like it's a calf at a rodeo. 00:49:03 Speaker 3: What's the process for that? 00:49:05 Speaker 1: I mean, you find it. You get on top of a hill, you scan out across the valley. You see one and a half miles away there's a group of five. You figure out a way to get to them. You sneak up on them, somebody hazes them down to the bottom, and guys cut them off, and then you're just you take to them like you're at a team roping, and whoever catches first that animal is a sign to that guy and somebody will still help and heal maybe, but you try to get it to a tree or something, to where or like after you rope them around the horns, like if you can get like the rope to go in between their legs, and then you ride the other direction and kind of trip them up. And then at some point you get off your horse, you run down the rope and you tie this big animal down. 00:49:49 Speaker 2: And then how do you lead it to you? 00:49:51 Speaker 1: So then once you get it tied down, you cut his horns off, pull them and you'll lead it to the closest tree and you tight to the tree and you'll leave it for a day or two, and it'll make him kind of sore to that rope, and he'll kind of learn that rope. And then you come in and you dally him up close to your horse, and he'll be fighting you for a little bit, but after half a mile he's just kind of walking next to you and he becomes your buddy. It's so wild, it's crazy. It's the wildest thing I've ever done. Like you're adrenaline everything like. 00:50:29 Speaker 2: So we put at riding a horse. 00:50:31 Speaker 1: We went. We went in February and I put out a video catching Mavericks in Arizona and Donnie went with me and filmed it. And it's an hour and a half long. It's it's crazy. It's Mayhem like these and and a lot of these guys that are going are Indians. And if you think they're not like notoriously calm like these guys are, they have no pause, like they take to these big bulls by themselves. On the side of a mountain. The wilder the better, and the huge horns and they're mean, like they will kill you and your horse and they'll just rope them, you know, use go around the tree, time down like it's like you're watching the caf open into rodeo. It's insanity. 00:51:23 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 00:51:23 Speaker 3: You don't really think about like any kind of cattle being wild. 00:51:27 Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, until you get out in the middle of Arizona and it's that part of the I mean, like you guys have flown over these parts of the world and you look down it's just no roads, no nothing. Well, there's maybe some Maverick cattle depending on the history of that territory and the history of this territory where we went was there was a strip of land that some ranchers were on and the reservation. It was a big court battle and the reservation finally got it back or took it. I don't know what the I'm not sure, but it was like in the sixties and there were some ranches there and you know, ranching out there is hard enough, like you're gonna lose cattle, like they're gonna get because it's hard to fence the mountains yep, and so cattle find a way to get out, and well that's what happened. And the the legend is that one lady would not leave and she was so mad when she finally did leave that she turned out fighting bulls. And so the legend is that a lot of these mavericks go back to like fighting bull genetics, which even if they didn't like it's still they're still pretty. 00:52:38 Speaker 2: Mean, like yeah, they're feral cows. 00:52:40 Speaker 1: Any yeah, and and and there kind of be standoffish until you put a rope on their horns, and then any gentle animal may change their mind about being gentle. So anyways, I'll do that trip and hopefully I get invited again. But the drive in was the sketchiest. If you watch my film, it's the first twenty minutes is us just trying to get to camp and it's so sketchy, like just cliffs and driving. So it's sketchy. That's awesome, Well, Dale appreciate it, man, Yeah, sorry, go on, my maverick catch right there. But it's the same thing whenever we talk about hunting, like I've had a few people like, let's go on this trip, man, I'd love to go. I just yeah, I don't have much I don't have much time. Yeah, because I'll do these other things. But anyway, I appreciate it. 00:53:30 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:53:30 Speaker 1: And we're about to have Rich on my podcast podcast. Yeah, we're gonna hear his story. So thanks for. 00:53:37 Speaker 2: Having much of one of us work out alone. 00:53:39 Speaker 1: That's what I need to hear about because I need help in that area. All right, peace, love you guys, palp ou