00:00:00 Speaker 1: When you're out there, throw it all out the window. 00:00:02 Speaker 2: Get carbs and fats and you know whatever is easy to get in. But be in the best shape you can once you're seeking out. Before you get out there, sleep and nutrition and that's huge because you are not sleeping. 00:00:15 Speaker 1: Even if you are sleeping. You know, we were sleeping with six hours a night ish. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, when we were on a cot and you know, stay it wasn't bad this time. It wasn't like a sleep better, I sut better, but it was still not long. Yeah, yeah, really short. I'm used to like eight hours of sleep a night. 00:00:29 Speaker 3: Out here, the steaks are real effective. Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. 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Angelo my speared Yep, it's looking very wooly. 00:01:39 Speaker 4: Yeah. The only time I trim it is like if I get a flyaway, I cut it off. But I have not trimmed as Sam looks like they're all flyways. Doesn't like the thickness it. 00:01:50 Speaker 5: Actually it is just a bunch of flyways. Yeah, I get flyways, but so curly. 00:01:55 Speaker 1: Get the random white ones. You have those white patches. 00:02:00 Speaker 4: I plucked one yesterday. Yeah, and they're like transluc Like my kids loved it. It's like fishing wire. It really does fish. That's weird. So weird. 00:02:10 Speaker 1: You're gonna keep it hunting season or yeah? 00:02:12 Speaker 4: Probably? I mean, I have no plans for it. I just have never grown it out of. 00:02:16 Speaker 1: All that in the deer stand yet it is live and cook though it was. 00:02:20 Speaker 4: Honestly, it's too hot and like the same thing I told you, like my my food plot isn't really it's there, but it's not like good yet, and so there's plenty of food out. 00:02:30 Speaker 2: Acorns are dropping, Yeah I figured I learned that last year in October. Yeah, everywhere they were they were not starting in October. I mean you can sit in the backyard now the way of the pool and you just hear acorns dropping out like corn acor sorry, yeah, I guess we're now we're I meet at your podcast. We have called acorns acorns. 00:02:52 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, it's so I don't know. It may it may be dumb, but I'm just gonna try it out, try out, not pushing it early season because I always push it early season. I'm so excited, and uh yeah, I'm gonna try to wait till like I'm gonna wait till like the decent cold stame. It doesn't have to be cold, colder than change. 00:03:11 Speaker 5: It has been hotter this year, like I don't know, but now I've at least worn a hoodie. I feel like we got one weird week at like the end of August. Like the race is cold sometimes, Yeah, it wasn't that cold, just finished legends. 00:03:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, it is sometimes colder. Hopefully it was early this week this year too. Yeah, hopefully it can. I don't know. Hopefully we'll get like a week, like a week or weekend early mid October. That'll just be like these two or three days look pretty good, and I'll go, I'll try it. So same thing here. The food plots are planted not late but later, so i'd say the middle of October. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: When they still look good, especially when you got late season food coming in when everything else the greens. 00:03:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have a way acorns are picked through. Uh yeah, the one. The food plots that we did here are supposed to be kind of a mix. Uh. Like the two major ones that we planted are like walkings planting them, but I did the order of what to what to use, so like there's some it's like a mix. We just tried to big time Senas came in big time. Give us a bunch of big time. Big time came in big time. Give us, give us some awesome stuff. So hopefully, Uh, the front food plot and the back food plot are like the bigger ones, and uh they both they both have a mix. And then up top we put in just some uh yeah, some no tail stuff. There's already some clover up there, right. 00:04:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if it came back or. 00:04:32 Speaker 4: Not, but yeah, hopefully those two food plots do well. Uh and yeah, if we don't push it early, maybe it'll play out better. 00:04:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll say Jason and Jack said a little bit of this. 00:04:45 Speaker 4: Oh cool, they want to shoot them. Uh. 00:04:47 Speaker 1: The one dough had two fawns on it, and so I'm like, let's let's let her live. 00:04:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, if there's two doughs and two fawns, I have no problems. If there's one dough and two fawns, try to I try to hold back to avoid it. But I I mean, I've always heard that they travel in they travel. I mean obviously everyone knows there's like dose or herd animals, so like you could but if you see one dough and you see two funds, most likely one of the other mom died last year or year before whatever, So you don't want that fun to go through that twice. No, just like well, you don't want like two Well they have spots, obviously, I don't know. But if they if they don't have spots, I shoot the does. I don't consider them funds anymore. If they don't have spots. I don't know if people like I don't see it, I call it considered a yearling. 00:05:35 Speaker 5: A year you shoot yearlings? 00:05:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, deal, feel at your kids. 00:05:43 Speaker 5: No, No, there's enough dose at my house. 00:05:45 Speaker 4: It's fine. 00:05:46 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:05:46 Speaker 4: No, I'll shoot a yearling dough as long as it doesn't have spots on that, I'll shoot it. 00:05:50 Speaker 5: So like, there's not like a weight, so sixty pounds, you're fine. 00:05:53 Speaker 4: Depends where you're at, I mean the conserve. There's some yearling doughs, like, dude, the does in Ohio are huge, Like, I'll shoot I'll shoot a gear linked o up there to look like a dough down here about No, I mean the first dar. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people were in the same boat. The first year of a shot was probably a fifty pound year lind No, just typical. Okay, would you shoot? You shoot ten point first year ti hundred and twenty ten point deer? 00:06:16 Speaker 5: First year six point. 00:06:21 Speaker 4: First year you shot? Was Adele's with you? Yeah? Do yeah, yeah, that was just a normal dell three or four year old dough. Yeah. Okay, all right. 00:06:32 Speaker 2: Andy Gallpin Spike Camp and you lived by Indy Gallpin on the first hunt and that wasn't even that hunt was infinitely different than the last time we went on, So preface the whole story. Yeah, we did the Indie Gallping podcast probably what a month ago. Yeah, and then we went on our hunt to Idaho and then we were home for what five days, Scott and then me and Scott went to Wyoming. Well on our hunt in Idaho. The first couple of days we there. The piece of property we were on, there's so many cat roads you could just ride around, call, ride around, call, and then when you hear something, go after it. So first couple of day or two we weren't. We were on our feet a bunch in the morning. With the evenings we were not, and it was you know whatever. 00:07:17 Speaker 5: Plus they drive back to camp, back. 00:07:19 Speaker 2: To camp, hang out middle of the day and then we would cut. We went one day we went on a little side quest and call it a little bit with Noah. We were the Born and Race crew and uh Bird the whole time. Like so we grab snacks and we have you know, camp set up, and then we'd go out and we'd come back every midday and then every afternoon Bird would just hammer pop. 00:07:39 Speaker 4: Tarts and whatever. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: And he's just like our oreos and we're like, what are you doing? He's like Andy Alpins said, I could eat whatever. 00:07:44 Speaker 1: You know. 00:07:46 Speaker 5: Doctor was like, once you get there, it doesn't matter. All right, this ain't gonna matter. 00:07:53 Speaker 4: I'm ready, I'm ready. 00:07:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:07:55 Speaker 1: So the nutrition was uh. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: I'd say the last what three days we liked and hunted pretty hard the last three days, but the first first two we did not. 00:08:06 Speaker 4: We were not on our feet. A ton Bird took it to heart. He was car bloating, car bloating. Yeah, car bloading, of course, that's all. Yeah, your car hard part is when you get back and transition, transition to stop eating those seat It's like you don't want to, Yeah. 00:08:19 Speaker 1: And detoxing from the caffeine. Caffeine detox is hard. 00:08:23 Speaker 4: To dude, this is you. Your hunting trip is exactly how my cross the games is. I just drink a ton of caffeine. I carblowed like crazy. 00:08:30 Speaker 5: It is funny, dude, because even like November white toil hunting, I would just eat like crazy. 00:08:36 Speaker 4: It's it's it's so bad and then you have to I mean I had a real hard time coming out of it this year. I've never had that. We're like I'll be I'll be working and I'm hungry. I'm not like I'm not normally hungry when I'm working. I'm eating and I'm eating and I'm eating and I'm realizing I'm only training an hour a day, not four. 00:08:56 Speaker 5: I need to like, like, you won't oatmeal pies. They're so good. 00:09:05 Speaker 4: Uh now, yeah, I was What he was saying is just I mean, for some people is probably a little bit profound, like talking about like the protein, don't really even worry about it while you're out. You're out there for like five days, You're not gonna the protein. The same thing with the It's the same thing with the crossfa games, like, yeah, you need a little bit of protein because you are breaking down those muscles, but and the same thing the same thing with hunting. You're you're breaking down those muscles, but you're not trying to gain any muscle. You're just trying to not lose weight. 00:09:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:09:32 Speaker 1: I was about to say's the big thing. 00:09:34 Speaker 2: The big takeaways were when you're out there, throw it all out the window of carbs and fats and you know whatever is easy to get in, yes, but be in the best shape you can out before you get out fo. 00:09:47 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: Sleep and nutrition, and that's huge because you are not sleeping. Even if you are sleeping. 00:09:52 Speaker 1: You know, we were sleeping with six hours a night ish, yeah when we were on a cot and you know, it wasn't. 00:09:57 Speaker 4: Bad this time. 00:09:58 Speaker 1: It wasn't like a slept better, I suck better, but it was still not long. 00:10:02 Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, just eight hours secause you want to well because the hard part is you get back and you're like, you will just want to talk about the day because all day you're pretty much you're with the guys, but you're silent and eat and eat. You'll kind of want to hang out a little bit and eat and just you know, just hang out with the guys you're with. And then you know you have to wake up early. So it's like a fine line between all right, we're shutting it down and then we have to get up at five five am at five yeah. Yeah. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: So those those were two things that were pretty not profound. 00:10:30 Speaker 4: But things that you know should be thinking about. Were reinforced on the trip. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: Was the fact of, hey, make sure you're banking sleep and and your nutrition is good before that because when you get there it's going to be crap. 00:10:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, I try to think about it the same way as uh, like, I try to think about that as the same way as competing for crossfits. Like in the off season, if you want to skip a day, skip a day because you can kind of get away with it. But when you're leading into accompetition, you want to be as dial in as possible because when you get to that competition and you're thinking about, man, this is hard or whatever, you think about the time, we go, well, I had easy times. There were easy times, and now these this is the time for the hard time. So like it's the same thing when you're leading up to that hunt, You're like, well, I'm gonna sleep a lot, I'm gonna eat a lot, because there is gonna come a time where I'm on that hunt. And like I had the easy times where I could eat and sleep and whatever, and I'm just gonna push through the hard time to get back to these time. You know, there's there's a time for both of them. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, And me and Scott kind of had this. Both had this separate epiphany while we were the last couple of days coming back, so we hunted pretty hard the back half of the first hunt in Idaho. We're here for five days and then we hunted hard in Wyoming. I'd like to get Justin on the podcast, maybe a virtual podcast, our guide that was out there. 00:11:44 Speaker 1: Good dude, he was a goat. Just as far as walking. 00:11:48 Speaker 2: We were on our feet all day, every day, and uh, you know, so in that respect, you're like, oh, I wouldn't have lost much fitness or wouldn't feel that bad coming back, but Scott had. You can talk to it a little bit too. But I felt very unfit coming home. But at no point out there did I feel unfit, if that makes sense. So like what we do or what we've done leading up to a hunt prepares us well for a hunt. 00:12:16 Speaker 5: But just. 00:12:18 Speaker 2: Just hiking, just being on your feet with a rock with you know, just walking all the time and even up down overthrow. 00:12:28 Speaker 1: It wasn't easy walking. 00:12:29 Speaker 2: There was a one day that was just just steady, kind of nothing miserable, nothing hard, but it was just steady. And then there were a lot of days it was up down, up down, up down. But so you know, you could say that, oh we did some intensity too, because there was some climbing. Yeah, but getting back, man, I felt terrible getting. 00:12:47 Speaker 5: Back into you mean, like getting back into working fitness. 00:12:53 Speaker 6: I think a lot of it, though, is that you spend months or weeks however long training for the task, and then when you do the task, you're not sleeping enough, you're not eating enough, you're doing only one type of fitness, so you're over the course of a week, you're just breaking down your body. 00:13:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what That's what I'm saying is you would think coming back, you'd be like, oh, I'd be fine, I'd maintain some fitness. 00:13:16 Speaker 6: But I felt terrible, right, I think your body is just so broken down and you're on high alert, so your nerves are probably shot. 00:13:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get back, But I just had that kind of epiphany that I was like, oh, man, I thought coming back would be way easier getting into some like intensity and some fitness because intensity, Yeah, because I mean we we worked the whole time. 00:13:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, but man, it was it was frustrating. It was hard hunting. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: I think, you know, to the two big takeaways that I took, especially from well first one from Idaho was patience, you know, trying to force force an arrow through a bush after I drew my boaw three times, I didn't work thinking that it would it would, Yeah, go through. 00:13:57 Speaker 4: It did not. 00:13:58 Speaker 2: And then the second time there was a smaller bull that I probably Scott wasn't real happy that I shot at and I ranged a rock and he was in front of the rock. 00:14:11 Speaker 4: The rock was at fifty two. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: I guessed him about twelve yards in front of it, aimed for forty and shot, I mean, got brisket. It was probably an inch low inch or two low of the heart. We watched the film and man decent blood. But it was one of those it's either he's going to be dead right around the corner or he's totally fine, and we're I'm ninety nine point nine percent he's totally fine because we looked for him and looked for him that night and the next morning, and we hunted the same area the next couple of days. 00:14:43 Speaker 5: So the patience which we also saw him alive. 00:14:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And I mean and the good thing, you know, I guess the thing you know. I was talking to Trevor. He says, forty yards is his like, Max, if he doesn't have a range, you know, like if you don't have a range on the animal, I don't shoot anything over forty. 00:15:01 Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, and uh, that muscle blood is confusing because it's probably it's the least likely to like fatally wound them, but it looks so much so similar to like long like long or heart like red's like a deep red. You're like, and there's a lot of it because you cut it open and it looks like there's a lot of blood. You're like, man, there's this thing is hurt. Yeah, but you would this is morbid. But like you've seen it. You've seen how much blood is in a body. There is a lot of blood, So like you can bleed a lot and still yeah, still be fine. So like, even though it looks like there's a lot of blood that came out of that muscle is probably in the grand scheme of things, not a lot to the animal. So too. 00:15:47 Speaker 1: Probably the biggest bulls we've ever seen on hoof in no In Idaho. 00:15:52 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 00:15:53 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:15:54 Speaker 2: And then that second one that we had, you know, and I was he never really presented a shot. He was heavy quartered two at what forty forty one yards something like that, and I just wasn't gonna take that shot, especially after I had already wounded that one. So I was hoping he was gonna keep coming and have a good shot, but never did big big bull. But yeah, Idaho came home empty handed. We were home here and then went back to bioming. Just me and Scott went up with m F hunting in is it Bridger Titan National Forest. 00:16:27 Speaker 4: And good group. Man, it was. 00:16:29 Speaker 1: It was a fun camp. 00:16:30 Speaker 4: But just I don't know. 00:16:33 Speaker 2: Grizzly wolves, the combo of grizzly wolves had him just super timid and just you know, we didn't see didn't hear anything for what the first four days, four or five days, and then you'd hear him in the mornings. 00:16:48 Speaker 1: It was a lot like Idaho. You hear him in the mornings and then an hour maybe an hour after daylight, if that it was one morning, I think they were done by eight o'clock. 00:16:56 Speaker 2: And then the last morning we were on a herd and had a satellites come in, but we just they would get hung up at one hundred yards and you just never either never get eyes on them or they would just move on with the herd. 00:17:08 Speaker 5: So in the morning you would hear a lot in the morning or just a few here and there. 00:17:12 Speaker 6: Only two mornings we heard more than one or two bugles. 00:17:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, never in the afternoon, never in the afternoon. 00:17:18 Speaker 4: One day we heard one bugle in the afternoon. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: We set up and he came. 00:17:23 Speaker 2: We were about seventy yards dish from a meadow, edge of a meadow, and he came out in the meadow about thirty yards and just kind of was looking around but would not did not want anything to do with a bugle or anything. 00:17:36 Speaker 6: Well, that was also like at last light. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was probably thirty minutes before last light. 00:17:41 Speaker 2: The last one was at last light. I'm talking about that one. That one night that we got had that one that kind of came. We heard a bugle, We tried to make a play and you never saw him. 00:17:52 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 00:17:53 Speaker 4: The rain, yeah, the rain night. 00:17:57 Speaker 1: So man, Yeah, Wyoming was tough that on. 00:17:59 Speaker 4: That one hurts. 00:18:00 Speaker 2: Idaho hurt because I screwed up. Wyoming hurt just because there was it was slim pickings. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: It was rough. 00:18:09 Speaker 2: And I think we've stayed in touch with Justin. They've killed a couple of rifles. I didn't realize. It's like we were at the edge of archery. There's a day off and then rifle starts. Oh yes, just a bloodbath because they were not rutting yet full rut yet they're probably pret rut. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: And so it's just gonna be. But we talked to Justin. 00:18:28 Speaker 4: They only killed what one, maybe two? So with the rifle, with a rifle, what's your next time? 00:18:37 Speaker 1: Colorado rifle? 00:18:38 Speaker 4: Second rifle. 00:18:39 Speaker 5: Angelo's happy, heated and rearrange his because he said, no way I would kill one. Now if he was going, i'd but you. I'd rather you go and do it. 00:18:52 Speaker 4: So I saw him. I'm glad that. I'm glad. I'm not glad it didn't work out the kill anything this September, but I'm glad it's gonna work out the year. You have much better chances with the rifle too. Sounds like it. In Colorado they were they were in them. Yeah, so same time as you were in Wyoming, in the. 00:19:09 Speaker 1: Same exact time. They all killed within the first five hours. 00:19:13 Speaker 4: Dang. See, I don't know the difference between Like, I don't know how they run over there. 00:19:16 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you know, like honestly, you. 00:19:20 Speaker 5: Just sworn wouldn't have been were really yeah, but we were not. 00:19:26 Speaker 4: Was how was the I mean, how was the weather? 00:19:28 Speaker 2: A couple of days it was seventy It would get down to thirty at night, and then one day it only got up to like mid fifties and rained for like two days. 00:19:38 Speaker 6: Yeah, but even the day we're based on the weather. We thought it should have been crazy. That wasn't. It wasn't the day there was no moon popped off. 00:19:46 Speaker 4: No moon cycle. It was weird, like all the all the all the things leaning towards oh man, this is gonna be good. Yeah, it's not so crazy crazy. 00:19:55 Speaker 6: It was one day where all the all the stars aligned. Yeah, but they didn't do anything. 00:20:00 Speaker 4: Didn't do anything. 00:20:01 Speaker 2: It was like rain, a little bit of snow, some sleet, no moon, cloudy all day, cloudy all night, fifty degrees. 00:20:09 Speaker 4: And that was a day we saw nothing and it's there nothing. Those are the most painful days too, because you're your hopes are so high, like no matter what happened the days before, you're like, oh man, that this was wrong and that was wrong. You get out there, there's nothing wrong and it's supposed to be a good day for it, and nothing's happening. You're like, there's no there. Elk don't exist. It exists, at least not right here. Stephen. 00:20:34 Speaker 2: Father Stephen was out there was in Colorado or New Mexico where he said he saw the he was. 00:20:38 Speaker 1: There was just like a little old shepherd shack. 00:20:40 Speaker 2: He said he kind of went into it and he said like in somebody had like etched into the walls that said elk don't exist. 00:20:51 Speaker 4: So good, it's so true. 00:20:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, dude, the on Matt Hunt to the lack of sleep, you know, because we would get back at nine o'clock, we'd have dinner. Old Judy would cook us all dinner we'd have and then at five am you'd wake up. So I mean you were eating dinner at nine, getting a bed at ten ten thirty, and then the generator kicks on and the lights are on your tent and the tent it was awesome. You had a little wood burning stove, but we didn't quite have it nailed down. The first two or three nights would be one hundred degrees when we go to sleep, and you'd wake up at like twenty eight degrees. Yeah, it was, and on our fifty three or fifty degrees sleeping bags. At one point, I was wearing sweatpants, a sweatshirt over my ears. I had the thing zipped and that mesh thing over my face. 00:21:37 Speaker 1: It was that cold, and you'd. 00:21:38 Speaker 2: Kind of like ball up a little bit. Yeah, and then you go to put your feet like stretch out, and your feet would be. 00:21:43 Speaker 4: In the cold ROAs bag. 00:21:45 Speaker 2: Scott got sick. Scott had to live on DayQuil for a couple of days. Oh no, you rallied first that one day. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: He was in a dark place. 00:21:55 Speaker 6: The sickest I was was the morning we hiked twelve miles. 00:21:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, we hiked twelve miles in just an the morning. 00:22:00 Speaker 4: It's it's it's so bad just being like that moderate sick and you just start you could tell. 00:22:07 Speaker 6: It wasn't moderate. I was really sick, Like it was one of. 00:22:11 Speaker 2: Those that you we hunted out, but we didn't see anything on the way out to a point, hunted around and then had to walk all that back and it's like ten to eleven in the morning, and you knew we weren't going to see anything. 00:22:24 Speaker 1: And it was just just a trudge. 00:22:27 Speaker 4: There was no real steep anything, but. 00:22:29 Speaker 6: It was just it was just a long lot of distance, a lot of distance, and it was hot. 00:22:32 Speaker 1: It was like seventy degrees by that point. 00:22:37 Speaker 6: It was I felt bad enough. If I was home, I wouldn't have come in. I would have laid on the couch all day. 00:22:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like you you have to immediately start moving or you won't do anything all day. 00:22:46 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:22:46 Speaker 4: If you don't start immediately, you're gonna lay on the couch all day. 00:22:49 Speaker 2: That That was the only day Scott went back and took a nap in the tent for like two hours. And he took a two or three hour nap. 00:22:56 Speaker 6: Oh man, and I fell asleep the one time we sat down in the morning twice. 00:23:00 Speaker 4: Oh no, once in the morning, once in afternoon. 00:23:02 Speaker 6: No, I'm saying when we sat down once that morning, I fell asleep probably the whole time we were there. 00:23:06 Speaker 4: At Cricket Cricket Ridge or whatever it was. Yeah. 00:23:11 Speaker 2: So, man, I after having such a good September last year and then such a crappy one this year, and I mean there was you know, other than the miscalculation, you know, the patients. 00:23:25 Speaker 1: On the first trip, we should have had something down. 00:23:27 Speaker 4: It was my fault. 00:23:28 Speaker 1: The second one was there was nothing we. 00:23:29 Speaker 2: Could do, you know, like the whole That's what's hard about elk hunting is you could do everything you know that is right, be in there in the right area and it's just there's still some luck to it. 00:23:42 Speaker 5: R Oh, yeah, well you don't know where the like even that the one you shot through the bush like that bull snuck around us. 00:23:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought we had the right area. Thought he'd come right. He came and he went quick and went high. Did not expect that bird had the perfect angle. The shot on born and raised in ours is like that's the bird's angle, he said. He just set the camera and laid down, Like, dude, I was like eight yards. 00:24:09 Speaker 5: It was so cool. 00:24:10 Speaker 1: I mean, and I was probably thirteen to fourteen yards, except for he was up the hill. 00:24:14 Speaker 4: There was a bush. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: He was frontal, and there was a couple of times where he would go to walk, and so I would draw and he would stop, and so I'd hold until he'd look away, and then I put down, and then I drew. 00:24:26 Speaker 1: I drew three times. Then I'm a third time. I was like, I get through that bush. 00:24:30 Speaker 4: You can't get the bush. 00:24:31 Speaker 2: I should have just shot over the bush, honestly, because it was still I think would have Yah would have. 00:24:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, you. 00:24:38 Speaker 2: Hindsight man, you'd play all those That's the hardest part about archeries. 00:24:41 Speaker 1: You play those stupid games. Man, if I would have if I'd have done this, if I had have moved there, if I would have done this. 00:24:47 Speaker 4: You're just like and in total, how long do you think you were standing like with like with that bull looking at you? To ten minutes? 00:24:54 Speaker 2: Probably when you think, yeah, I mean, he could have walked either way, and he probably would have. He probably wouldn't have gone too far because bird was right there. And that was the hard part too, is if you walked to the. 00:25:05 Speaker 4: Right one step and scene or smelled or something and then been gone the one. 00:25:09 Speaker 2: If you would have kept going to the right, I mean I couldn't have shot because Trent I was already like Trent and Jess were just like right here, so I would draw and have to stop if he was going to walk, And then if he would have went left, there would have been no shot. But if he would have came around, you know, it's just so it's awesome, it's so cool to be in those situations. 00:25:29 Speaker 5: But man, you just be yourself set up for a long September. Yeah, because that bool was the first morning, first morning, and then a few days and then you have the next one and then from there it's just it's nothing well, and that was the hard part there too, you know. 00:25:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, afternoons were the mornings were good, afternoons were not great. 00:25:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, but and you feel like you have to be doing something. You feel like you need to be out there. 00:25:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. If I'm out there, I need to be hunting. Yeah, you know it's so count. 00:25:58 Speaker 4: You never know, You never know if that is right call. That's the thing is, you don't know if it's the right call or not, Like you don't know if you could just be ruining tomorrow's hunt or if you are making more opportunities. Yeah. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: The whole leave Elk to find Elk was a little frustrating. Yeah, Like just if you find him, to stay with him. Like, that's the one thing I would do is do different is bet them and just stay on them, wait them out and see if they get up that afternoon if you have like a real good pinpoint on them, especially with us in that second hunt, you know, there's a couple of afternoons I probably would have just once we knew what they were, where they were going to bed, just waited them out. 00:26:35 Speaker 1: But especially that last day, if we would have stayed. 00:26:37 Speaker 6: You thought you knew where they were going to bed. But then what we found out the last day is we had no clue. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, they just kept going and kept going. I watched YouTube video of a guy doing that with with a white tail or, like he would see saw bed and he just stayed there all day and waited, and like it could get up and walk right away from you, or it could get up and give you a shot, and you're just like, I just sit here for four or five hours. 00:27:03 Speaker 5: I think about that bull we had last year that came in, Remember then he went dead and we tried to jump it. 00:27:09 Speaker 4: We should have just waited. 00:27:12 Speaker 5: Which one the one you couldn't get a shot at that I was above and I was like, dude, why didn't you shoot? Oh yeah, it came in like it came in hot. 00:27:20 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 00:27:21 Speaker 5: And then we chased it and it just said, yeah, just waited on that one. 00:27:26 Speaker 4: Yeah. And it feels like an eternity, Like I was gonna say, you were in front of it for eight to ten minutes. But and it could have I mean, it could have been even shorter because the way it feels, but like it feels like it's. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: Forever, as like I want this to go away or I want to happen or go away. 00:27:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a long time. 00:27:45 Speaker 6: Even the one that came in silent. Just I know how long it was because of the clip. It was a seven minute interaction with that the six by seven. 00:27:52 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that one. 00:27:53 Speaker 6: And that bull took seven minutes to walk basically five feet and just look around, but never gave a shot. And you have to think, if he walks five more yards up the hill, he's a broadside shot at thirty thirty. 00:28:07 Speaker 4: Five, would have eighteen I remember that tree. 00:28:10 Speaker 2: If it would have taken he was at forty so yeah, but I'm saying he was would have walked behind a tree. 00:28:15 Speaker 1: I had a tree pegged at eighteen yard whatever, you know, if you'd walked, But. 00:28:19 Speaker 6: It took him seven minutes to decide, no, I'm not. 00:28:21 Speaker 4: Coming in Scott. It makes me think of that that deer I shot when I got out of the tree stand in Georgia. Like it's just I wish I would have had a GoPro on my chest when when I saw this deer coming in, I uh, I got out of the tree stand. I got out of the tree stand, shut of dough right, yeah, and that's way you got out, sure, h Okay, I got it, Yes, okay. I got out of the tree stand for reasons, and I am seeing at the bottom of the tree and I see the deer walking through the woods bushes really and I was like, that's a good deer. Maybe I should try to shoot it. And I put an arrow in and I look around. I'm like, oh, my gosh, that's like a or sorry. First I'm like it's a deer. Then I'm like, oh, it's like a spike or something whatever. I'm kind of like this last year, this is last year, this is yeah, last November. I'm like, I'll just let I just like I'm sitting here, I'll just see if I can let it get close. Like I'll just be really still. I probably won't shoot it. And I see it coming in coming in and I go, oh my gosh, like this is a good deer. Like I need to start figuring out what to do. It's like a big solid eight point like I need to figure out what I need to do here. And so I just like sit, I knock an arrow, and same thing. It just feels like an eternity and I finally just poke out and draw. At the same time, I'm right behind the tree just like huddle it in draw. The same time, he doesn't move and it's frontal, Like, oh gosh. And I start to think and it feels like, I mean, an hour, feels like I'm sitting here for an hour, but probably it's fifteen seconds. And I'm like, well, he's frontal. I can see like here, you put an arrow there, it's gonna die. Like I never I I mean, I knew that you could take frontal shots and you're not supposed to take them from elevated, but I was like, there's no way it doesn't die. I'm gonna cut its throat and so I shoot it bare the arrow down inside its body and it dies in ten feet. Yeah. I was like, this, of course is gonna work. I don't. I just don't know why. I couldn't figure that it would work in the moment. 00:30:24 Speaker 5: With the lack of sleep part, one of the things Gallupin was huge on was like, before you go to mimic what you're going into. That's no matter what that's like. To me, the toughest part to actual like mimic lack of sleep. Yeah, Like, I mean, I guess you could just sit in a horm and I go through it personally, you know what I mean. But it's like I don't want to do that. 00:30:49 Speaker 1: No, I do try to. 00:30:51 Speaker 4: I do try to like dial back stuff, so like if I don't necessarily just like wake up a five am one morning, but I will try to dial it back and be used to getting up at maybe you know, if I'm getting up a let's just say I'm getting up a seven, I know I'm gonna be getting up at five. Maybe go six forty five for a couple of days six thirty, get down to six or five forty five. That way, when that five am hit seven. I'm just saying, just saying like that that when that five am hits it's not as much of a shock. Then if I've been getting up at you know, seven, seven thirty eight o'clock, then uh, is not nearly as bad. I do try to do that because it does. Uh, it does make a difference, you kind of because then since you're sleep your your your bedtime back a little bit and you you go to bed a little earlier and you wake up a little earlyeper. Consistency or yeah, it's said, that's huge, I think, And then obviously there's real world to it. Like you guys have kids, so like it's sometimes it's not up to you a time you're going to bed, and it's not really up to you a. 00:31:48 Speaker 5: Time mornings on it. I think for us the mornings are fine because at the same time we're you Central time. 00:31:55 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. 00:31:56 Speaker 4: So like if you first couple of days are nice, but it's staying up late. 00:31:59 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what gets you, honestly, because it's the duration you're getting. Yeah, it's not like you have a like you go white to hunting here and you're trying to wake up during the dark and all that. It's like, man, so you wake up at four am there, it's it's like you're waking up at six sits here, which is fine. It's just getting a bed late. Probably then probably your sleep isn't as good, you know. So then yeah, so then like day five, you're tired. Your legs probably feel a little heavy just from being you know, not necessarily you're like fatigued, you're just on tired. 00:32:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you just just get worn down. Especially unless you're eating the way you eat, unless you're car bloating the way you car blow, then you probably feel you probably feel fine towards you back, that's true. Those most of you are pretty beat up. 00:32:44 Speaker 1: You know. 00:32:44 Speaker 5: It gets me in November two. Is this Christmas tree cakes? 00:32:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's are so good, the same seasonal they show at the same time that you're sitting in the tree stand all day. It's like, yeah, they got them, they got the market locked. 00:32:59 Speaker 1: All I say. 00:33:00 Speaker 2: My legs rebounded way better than I thought there they would. There were some days towards the end of the day where I'm like, oh no, and then the next morning, as long as you know, I was about say, as long as we got good sleep. We did not get any good sleep. 00:33:13 Speaker 1: I think I was averaging like four or five hours, yeah, on my whoop, and every. 00:33:20 Speaker 4: Day though I'd wake up fine. 00:33:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was same for me. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, there were some days where I was like, oh man, my knee is bugging me, and we would you know, even break for the middle of the day. 00:33:31 Speaker 4: By the afternoon, I was fine. 00:33:33 Speaker 6: Speaking of these hunts and getting ready for them, you should walk through the next one we have coming, and how your uncle, my. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: Uncle is getting ready for it. 00:33:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. So my uncle sixty five, he's killed a couple of cows, he's never killed a bull. So we're gonna take him to. 00:33:48 Speaker 2: Our lease in Colorado and let him kill a bull. And so he's sixty five, he's set in his ways, not gonna tell him that he has to do pure Mayhem hunt stuff. I think he's doing some echo bike at my cousin's house. But he walks the grain silos. That's how he's kind of always gotten ready for him. And so there a hundred probably a hundred foot grain silos, I would guess, and he I think he does three a day right now. He said October first, he was starting four a day. Throws a rock on and just goes after it. 00:34:17 Speaker 5: So it's cool. 00:34:18 Speaker 4: That's cool. 00:34:19 Speaker 1: That's that's a StairMaster. 00:34:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really good. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: And you get the d sil you know, coming down arms and legs. That's the one piece that you're like on the Staremaster you don't get. 00:34:30 Speaker 4: Yeah. People are always saying those Jacob's ladders are cool. So I mean that's basically just literally what it's made to train you for. So that's cool. 00:34:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, so looking forward to that one. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: That will be fun. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: Got that new sig seven mil PRC carbon fiber I think is light way lighter than the old. Yeah, three hundred wind bag cannon. Billings was like, hey, do I have to take that three hundred? He's like, it's just too heavy for me. 00:34:55 Speaker 5: Did you show him? Did you show him the new one? 00:34:57 Speaker 2: No? 00:34:57 Speaker 1: But he's all up, you know, maybe about that. 00:35:01 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't follow like rifle cartridges enough, but the seven millimeters is supposed to be like really good. Yeah. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: I honestly I'm woefully inadequate on rifles. I gotta start shooting that thing just to get a feel for it. 00:35:15 Speaker 5: This was me and Scott's first full viva. 00:35:20 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, how'd that go? 00:35:22 Speaker 5: It was actually fine? I actually liked them better this time. Yeah, I do think I think I told you, yes, C's yeah. The A big difference what you have to be ready for is like when you're going up a hill, I do. It does make you work your caps more because like in a Crispian stuff, Yeah, it's it's a plate. Yeah, you're just you just you just dig your toe win and it's almost then like a yeah stairs. Whereas a viva, which I'm used to I was used to it as well. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: It didn't bother me. 00:35:55 Speaker 2: The one thing, Scott, I don't know if we try a bigger size for yours because he had that same issue that I had with the insulated one last winter. 00:36:04 Speaker 1: Was that the heel cup. 00:36:06 Speaker 2: You know, like if you look at the shoe about midway down your heel, there is like a little cup that kind of holds your foot from sliding around and if you're if it's too small at all, it digs in and it's not a blister, it's. 00:36:18 Speaker 4: Like a bruise. 00:36:20 Speaker 1: And so I had to go a size up on the tracker and I didn't have that issue this time. 00:36:24 Speaker 5: I mean there's still some waterproof issues. 00:36:27 Speaker 1: But its more like it coming down into the boot versus. 00:36:30 Speaker 4: Yeah, because I think it's water resistant, but there's still hold. Yeah. 00:36:33 Speaker 1: I mean my feet got wet in Wyoming. Yeah, but we had a fire to dry them. 00:36:38 Speaker 5: But I will say, just like stability wise and people thinking that you need like these full ankle supports and things like that, you never roll your ankles over, no, because you're not on a soul Yeah right, So and it. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: Is pretty good ankle support because it's a tight fit. 00:36:57 Speaker 4: Yeah. I liked the ankle support in my online like yeah, but. 00:37:00 Speaker 5: Even I'm just saying because like some people won't where their ankles won't bend at all in their boot because you fall over. But dude, you think you go over like you're just stable everywhere. 00:37:10 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:37:12 Speaker 2: I think some of the guys in Wyoming were like one of the kids was like, that's not gonna work. You're gonna hate those, and I was like, dude, I promise you I will. And then towards the end, towards the end, he's like, what are you sure those are okay? And I'm like, yes, I promise, like I'm used to it. Yeah, He's like, I don't know how you wear such a thin shoe up here, blah blah blah. He's like I could see down low, but he's like, up here was a rocky ish not really. I mean there was like some rock, but like, uh, when we went up into those freaking avalanche shoots, I mean it didn't matter what boot you had, it was slick as ship. 00:37:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:37:44 Speaker 2: Uh no. 00:37:44 Speaker 4: I was like I was telling you guys the other day, for lack of better terms, I'm not connected to the earth. 00:37:51 Speaker 5: As well connected basketball shot. 00:37:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, when you wear but those, you're right, those are just oh yeah, you're judas those are those are just a little little bit bigger and chunkier shoes. So you but like when you put like I was, I was deciding whether I want to wear those or my boots that day, and I'm like, holy crap, Like you can really feel a difference, and you can and you can just feel the ground better. I don't know how to explain it. You can just feel the ground better. And if you're hiking, I would feel like that is the right. Yes, you want to be. 00:38:21 Speaker 5: Well, you're already in the outdoor, so why would you not want to be connected to the ground exactly? 00:38:25 Speaker 4: I want to be nice as connected. I couldn't be too connected, you know. Yeah, I need a little bit, a little barrier, a little barrier, a little protection you may say, from the from the ground, but just a little bit, not too much. No, I love them. 00:38:38 Speaker 1: I wear the trackers of war warm on both hunts. 00:38:41 Speaker 2: Wouldn't change it. I'm gonna wear the insulated trackers on the next hunt. 00:38:45 Speaker 4: Maybe. 00:38:46 Speaker 2: Hell if it's cold cold, who knows last year was cold? Lot of little pool lots up. Did you have any other thoughts Scott that came to you. 00:38:58 Speaker 4: Any. 00:39:00 Speaker 2: Anything while you're on the mountain that you're like, oh, this just makes sense. Why we do this or over unders. Pretty smart to do. Yeah, I was a couple of times when we'd go over some stuff, I was like, yeah, maybe we. 00:39:11 Speaker 4: Should do some over unders next year. 00:39:13 Speaker 5: Oh, Angel loves over unders. 00:39:14 Speaker 4: I don't love them. They just seem very sports specific for us. Alex Alex loves him. Yeah, he asked for him. He says he likes them, which those are very sports specific for him. 00:39:25 Speaker 1: There was one Scott meltdown. 00:39:26 Speaker 4: We had one for what there was. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: Man, we had been we'd been up and down emotionally all week, mostly down, and uh, right before last light, we'd played kind of the timid game some like hey, let's get him to come to us. And then I think Justin had had enough and he's like go and that's all I needed to hear. And so I took off and we're going, and we would go, we'd call, we'd go, we'd call, and we were just like instead of like trying to sneak in on him, like breaking stuff, like making it sound like elk. 00:39:56 Speaker 4: We're coming. 00:39:57 Speaker 6: Were also were racing the light. 00:39:59 Speaker 1: Racing the light in and the timber. It was. 00:40:03 Speaker 2: No way to get a shot, but you could see the sun in the meadows and so I just like, screw it, take off. 00:40:09 Speaker 1: Well, there's this log and it's probably what just just blow hippipe. 00:40:12 Speaker 4: It was a big log and. 00:40:14 Speaker 1: It had a bunch of dead branches kind of like this, and so I just kind of like right through it. 00:40:18 Speaker 4: And all of a. 00:40:19 Speaker 1: Sudden, I hear break and I hear every word in the book, and I. 00:40:25 Speaker 2: Look back and Scott is coming out of a role, like he played it off really well, come out of a roll, and he's just dog cussing anybody and everything. And the guy is laughing because he's coming to and you know, I'm like, all right, Scott's good till we take off. 00:40:40 Speaker 1: We get out in the meadow and we call a little bit and that bull. 00:40:43 Speaker 2: Comes running out, but he's like one hundred and fifty yards and it's last light and we're trying to and I threw out a couple of calf calls and he perked up, but he just would not come in. 00:40:52 Speaker 4: But anyway, I'm like, Scott, you're all right. 00:40:55 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, it didn't hurt, but you know, just made total you know, like we're it all boils up where he's fine, he's fine, he's fine. 00:41:03 Speaker 4: And then yeah, yep. 00:41:05 Speaker 5: Uh, last thing, Angelo, So you do program up to September? Yeah, what so then October? What's people getting ready for from there? 00:41:13 Speaker 4: So I don't try I try not to change too much throughout the season because like there are people that go on these late rifle hunts that had that you know, are very similar obviously September ELK and I try not to change anything within the hunt. But when I do talk to people I or talked to in the in the program, I don't change anything. I like to talk to people. Hey, if you go on a hunt, show up because I can't obviously I can't tailor to everybody. So when you come back to get back into things, just you know, take it easy, do as you can, like show up and work out. Just know that you, like he said, your fitness level isn't gonna be where it was out when you left. You you were at this huge peak. You go on your hunt, you're gone for seven days. You haven't done a pull up, you haven't done any push ups, you haven't done box jumps or whatever. So like, just go in and move for the first couple of days. And then when you when you've come back and you get three days under your belt. Then start pushing and see where the body's at. Obviously you don't want to show up day one and you know rip the bandit off in a way you do, but not like where you might hurt yourself or you might hurt yourself, like it might be good to chew. Like Thursdays cardio workouts. Go, Go do the cardio workout. Go as hard as you can. See what happens, like get the herd rate up, get used to that feeling, and then you know, throw in some weights. Don't come back and max out your deadlift, like if we have a five set of two, because I think we're in kind of like a transition between one strength program and the other. It and there's a test week there's like a five x two deadlift or a five by two back squad, do it, but maybe not try to hit a two red max. So just you have to be smart if you want to if you want to train all season, especially if you have hunts in the later season. I mean, and even if you have whitetail hunts planned, like. 00:42:54 Speaker 1: There's a limited equipment option, take some stuff with you. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well, honestly, like I have to when we're white tail we did when we went with Ritz last year, middle of the day, just so I could even sit in the evening. I had to do something in the middle. But also like Krispy Kremes or. 00:43:11 Speaker 4: Christmas tree Christmas trees, but even And you probably understand this, like you don't want to get out of the deer stand and do a thousand deadlifts back because you're not gonna be able to sip. Like you can do some upper body box jumps, do some rowing running. 00:43:26 Speaker 1: I did some run air squat one time. 00:43:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great. Stand bag, cleaned up bench. Don't do something that's gonna make it difficult for you to sit. You shoot and it's gonna be cool. And if it's cold, like if you're in a November hunt and you go you know, you can go back and you can work out, and then you go, you go out, you sit and it's ten fifteen degrees and you're just freaking shriveling up. You did a bunch of bench press, your chest is tight, you're cold, and now you have to draw your bow and you haven't you haven't touched it in hours. So like just a little bit of common sense, it's not uh. And then obviously, like my I think Bird's email is definitely on Sugar one. My emails, my emails on there, Like, if you have a question about something specifically, just send an email to us. Well, maybe we'll get back to you. I'll afford it right to Yeah, afford it right right to me. But I yeah, I mean, I don't mind. Like I like to get those questions. It's nice to interact with people doing it. So just send the questions and then we can easily say, like, hey, man, I just went on a hunt for ten days, Like what do you think I should do? Well, maybe you should move this day around, move that day around, and kind of slowly ease back into it. So yeah, it's cool, sweet. Anything else to add Scott, Scott's very quiet today. Still sick a lot on my mind, all right, Peace,