00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunts rut Fresh Radio, bringing you the latest reports from the white tailed woods and now your host, Spencer new Hearth. This is Wired d Hunt's rout Fresh Radio powered by First Light, and this week we're covering the rutting move. This is Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio. And this is episode four hundred seventy two and today I am joined by Mark Kenyon. And Mark, you'll be happy to know that I had like my first white tail action over the weekend. It's been a long time coming for me this fall. Finally, yeah, finally, I spent a couple of evenings glassing some pastures here in Montana that will be deer hunting next week for a thing that we're filled for Meat Eater and Wire to Hunt. Um. And what I could say to summarize the action was this, it was like textbook October twenty four activity. Um doe started filing into the food for the like last two hours of daylight, and at like sunset, finally the bucks started coming into the food as well and increasingly got bigger as shooting light disappeared. And and to me, that's just like textbook late October with no outside um factors as far as hunting pressure or a strange moon or really warm weather, really cold weather, or anything like that. It just felt very much like late October to me. And I guess what I think that means is when I am hunting in a week, like those bucks that were showing up at sunset are now going to be showing up thirty minutes before sunset. And uh instead of the biggest ones not rolling out until a few minutes to shooting light left, they might be out, you know, with thirty it's a shooting light left or something like that. So it gives me some optimism, especially when I look at the forecast and see some very monotonous weather that we've been used to this fall as white tail hunters. And I think you were also out this weekend or probably for the whole week. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Before before you go pushing to me, I gotta find out, what did you see, Like, did you see some shooters? I saw a buck that I would identify as a shooter, probably like a hunter and thirty five inch five by five um for Montana, it's probably like a three and a half or four and a half year old deer buck. I would totally shoot the other bucks that I saw, Um, we're basket racks, spikes, um, some like two and a half year old mule deer um. So one one buck that got me excited that, Like I said, he showed up very late into shooting light. But I think a week from now he'll he'll be out sooner than that. Cool. Well, you know, speaking of this hunt, I think we can tease what we're doing. I think at this point we should clue folks in the fact that we've got a very cool project coming up that we're gonna be filming and releasing as a new show this fall, and it's gonna drop the first episode in just a couple of weeks to maybe it's maybe three weeks from now, give or take three weeks from now. This new show is gonna drop. It is going to be following you and me and Tony Peterson and Clay Newcomb, and we're gonna be hunting white tails in four different places across the country and combining our four stories for this new series. Uh so, you're gonna be in Montana, right, That's it's about your tomb. That's right. I'll be in Montana, and if Montana happens faster, if I'm gonna drop down to Wyoming and hunt there nice, so I will be doing my hunt in Iowa. Folks know I'm gonna hunting in Iowa. I'm gonna document that hunt for this new project. And then if I kill there, I'm gonna move over in Nebraska. And Clay is going to be in Arkansas, and Tony is gonna be splitting his time between Minnesota and Wisconsin. So super stoked about this. We're gonna start hunting in a week. So I'm feeling good. I feel like we're all going to be in good spots. We've got some cool things lined up and uh and yes, I'm glad you've got a nice big buck out there to chase to Spencer, So fingers crossing sticks around, I'm thrilled. It's It's one of the things that I love about Red Fresh Radio was talking to hunters across the country and having an audio experience that is, hearing from somebody from Mississippi and New Jersey and Kansas in the same episode. And that's sort of what you're going to have with this new show. You're you're getting these different storylines with different styles of hunting, with very different white tail herds and very different tactics. Um and that to me is like the most exciting part of the show. Can't wait, it's uh I've actually I just unpacked from Arkansas, and I realized right when I got done on acting that shoot, I should just leave it all out because I don't start repacking in like a day and a half anyway. So it's here, man, it's gonna be in a minute. Tell us, what were you gonna say before I interrupted? Yeah, tell tell us about the Arkansas haunt as far as buck movement goes. And then I think you also spent some time in a tree in Michigan as well. Yeah, so Arkansas was not a lot of activity, but I think that was simply because where I was hunting was public land, big woods, big mountains with very low deer densities. Uh So, over the almost week of hunting I spent there, you know, you know, I guess it was like four and a half, four days or something. In the woods. Uh, I just saw a handful of deer. There was very little sign. There was a few rubs and one scrape, and I think I saw like four dose and two bucks the entire time, there was maybe some kind of like cruising. I would say, if there's any kind of sign or like any kind of activity of note, It was the fact that there were two bucks that were cruising in late morning, So that was that was kind of the extent of related activity that I saw. The full store of that hunt will drop later this year on the podcast, so stay tuned for all the stories on how that went down. But the very interesting unique situation I've I haven't hunted this kind of way before, so it's very cool to give it a shot. Uh. And then yeah, I got to spend a little time in Michigan hunting and glassing, and I can tell you that I have seen some definite prered activity here in Michigan. I saw three and a half real buck chasen a dough two days ago, I think it was. And I hunted last night and saw what looked like, you know, a hot dough with a bunch of bucks just standing around waiting so that I might have like a first hot dough of the year kind of situation. I saw like a two or three year old buck and then a couple of year and a half old doing that thing. Where they're just standing on the edge of the cover looking in there, and then there was some running around and then more standing there, and I've just seen that movie play out so many times. There's likely one of my shooter bucks was in that thicket with a dough and all these other kind of satellite bucks were orbiting around it. So I'm gonna go back out there tonight and hopefully be in the action. So it's it's just getting going around here, and I'm sure it's it's only going to get better. So that's that's my quick activity report. I love it. Late October is so cool because it's like a little bit of the rut chaos, but it's more organized to the you know, first couple hours of daylight and the last couple hours of daylight, so it's like organized chaos. You know, you're probably not missing some cruising four and a half year old buck that's out there at noon, um, but he may be up and moving earlier than he ever would be earlier in the year, um, with like thirty minutes daylight left or something. So that's why I love late October. But yeah, man, it's one of my favorite parts of the year. Now I want to fast forward dough to the rut and to November. And this is something we cover most years, and that is the rutting moon. Now, before we talk about the rutting moon, Mark, I think you have some qualifiers to put out there that come up anytime we have to have this discussion. So like, before we talk about what the rutting moon is and what it is, fore, like, what are kind of your general thoughts around the rutting moon theories. Yeah, so, so we have to talk about the rutting moon because it's the thing that people want to hear about because people because a lot of people believe in this thing, because a lot of people are intrigued by it, they want to you know, be at least I don't know, spitballing on it. So so I want to make sure we address it. But I address it with these very significant qualifiers, these very significant like asterisks next to this conversation. Because the science, a lot of different studies point to their being zero correlation between the timing of the white tail it and moon phase or moon position or anything like that. There's not been any kind of real correlation found. So let's just make that very clear. The science does not back up these theories. Okay. That said, there's a whole lot of anecdotal evidence. There's a lot of people that have done their own kind of little studies here and there, and they have strong theories and opinions on this. So we'll put this out here as a hey, here's what some people have seen and think, and you know, swear by and then I will also hedge it by saying, but the peer reviewed studies can't back it up. So take this with a grain cell, take it however you want, Let it go in one year out the other. If you want, or if this is something that you've seen seems to match up and that you think works in your area, then you know, pay attention. Or like you, Spencer, if you love to hear your sasquatch theories even though you don't really believe in sasquatch, this is one of those kinds of conversations for you too. So that's my head, that's my qualifier. Uh, did I cover the base the basism mostly there? Maybe I didn't really explain what the thing is though, So that that's okay, We'll get to that in a second. I think you put the appropriate qualifiers on it. Even took my line about liking name to Sasquatch, like I I don't believe in Sasquatch, I don't believe in the running moon, but damn it, I am so interested in both, and I want to hear all the theories about both of them in any stories you might have related to either one. Before we talk about running moon, though, what was the twenty twenty running moon. So hunters can have like some barometer or some comparison to what they may see in if they think that this is a thing that affects buck movement. Yeah, So first off, the running moon. When someone says the running moon, this is coming mostly from a theory and a kind of viewpoint popularized by Charles Elsheimer and Wayne Laroche. Uh. Charles Alsheimer was a writer, photographer rest in peace. He passed away a couple of years ago, but this running moon theory is mostly popularized by them, and basically it was their belief that the timing of the rut, the peak of like rut activity is triggered by the second full moon after the autumn equinox. So that was like the triggering point that typically you would then see seeking and chasing really pick up from there, and then you'd see the peak breeding happened a little while after that. And this second full moon after the autumn equinox, that happens at different parts of the year, you know, every year, so that, in their belief, is why you would see running activity at different parts of the year in different places. So in the running moon, that second full moon after the autom equinox was October one. What this theory he typically has shown, or what they what they say is that when that running moon falls right in the line with the typical you know, beginning of November start of running activity, that's when you see the very best kind of syncd up rut. You'll see stuff happen just like it's supposed to. You're gonna see the chasing, and you're gonna see the seeking, and it's gonna be very frenzied, and it's gonna be daylight, and it's gonna be everything you ever dreamed about. That is what they predicted for the rut um. I would say, well, let me let me take one step back. That's what the running moon theory said. I mentioned to you all in the beginning that the running moon theory is not backed to by any science. I did not mention what the science typically shows. The sense typically show not the science typically it does show that rutting behavior like the actual peak breeding, so breeding is consistent year after year. There have been studies that go and measure the size of fetuses and back date them. You can actually tell when a Vaughn was conceived based on these measurements. They've went back, they've done that research and have shown that in most areas of the country, it is happening the peak of this belker. Right, you gotta imagine a belker. There's always some earlier, there's always some late, but the majority always fall around this exact same time because this breeding behavior is triggered The science shows by photo period, which is the amount of daylight in the twenty four hour time period, and that doesn't change. That's that happens at the same point in every year, year after year after year. So I should have mentioned at the beginning most places across the country you should see running activity in general follow the same trend. So for me here in Michigan, across much of the Midwest, it's rising through October and then usually get a lot of that seeking and chasing happening right about now through those first couple of weeks of November, and then somewhere around mid November is when most parts of the country have their peak breeding dates. So sorry I didn't mentioned upfront that is what the science and that's what most folks believe is what actually happens. The running moon lined up with that, so it was supposed to be these two things matching up to create the best case scenario. So you've now laid the foundation for this. You've given caveats, you said what happened in you've explained what it is, You've explained what the science says about it. Now I want you to briefly talk about ones running moon. And I want to emphasize brief because you actually just wrote an article about this that probably goes into greater detail than you have the ability to on this podcast and lays it out in a more organized sense. So briefly tell us about the running moon, and then we'll tell folks where to find the article where they can get more info on this theory. You're so good at a queuing up these plugs for article, Spencer, kudos, do you absolutely? Um? So, the very cliff notes version is that we have a very late running moon this year because of the way the fall equinox falls. The running moon the second fo moon after the autumn equinox technically is November nineteen, so twenty days later than it was last year. And the short version of what that might mean according to this theory is that we're going to have something that Elsheimer referred to as a trickle rut. So this would mean running behavior kind of triggering from the first full moon after the autom equinox on October all the way through November nineteen. So this is not as good of a set of circumstances as the theory indicated for last year. That is that enough to tease it, that's perfect. So if you want more on that, we have an article that Mark just wrote says what you need to know about the rutting moon. Mark goes into even greater detail in the Rutting Moon and what that means for Hunters. Your other reading material for this week, which you can find in the description of this episode. Just scroll down. If you're on like Spotify or iTunes or whatever, these articles are going to be linked right there. You click that, you're gonna go to the wire to home website and be a fast way to catch up on some of our reading material. The next article is this strategy will help You Kill More running Bucks by Alex Gilstrom. Alex breaks down how a certain mindset will help you be a better deer hunter in November, and then from Bou Martonic, the pros and cons of rubber boots for archery hunting bow breaks down if rubber boots are right for you based on your white tail hunting style, and then three reasons hunters fail during the rut by Tony Peterson. Tony goes over the common mistakes that deer hunters make when trying to kill a buck during the rut and offers some advice on how to avoid making them now. The other folks are gonna hear from in this episode are Nate Crick from Identical Draw in Kansas, Greglitzinger from the Bow Hunting Fiend YouTube channel in New Jersey, Lake Pickle from Primos in Mississippi, and then T J. Anger from the Virtue TV in Indiana. I just gotta say that Lake Pickle has got the best name for someone in the world of hunting. Yeah, just very jealous. What a great name. Lake pick he does. He could do anything he could like. Uh, he could host a late night show. He could be a NASCAR driver, he could work for Premost and come on the wire to Hunt podcast and talk about white tales in Mississippi. That that name works for anything. It really does good for him. Um, well, I I'm excited. I will tell you one thing I didn't mention in my running moon discussion, but I think should just be mentioned here is that I'm not gonna let that trickle rutt prediction. I'm not gonna let that late rutting moon prediction make me feel pessimistic at all. I'm not worried about it. Late October and early November is almost always great. We've got decent weather, so it's not either some big hot front coming through. Uh. Stuff should be awesome. So get out there, have fun. I'm stoked. I think we're in for a really good uh rut here coming up. Well said, the next time I talked to you, Mark, it will be November. Hallelujah. Alright, and joining us on the line first is Nate Crick for identical Jaw in Kansas. Now, Nate in Kansas, what would you say? The buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten, I would say a seven UM out of ten UM. And I feel like that's kind of generous because the weather, at least from what I can remember from years past, the weather has definitely been colder, um, which makes better deer activity. And I feel like for this time of the year it's been a little on the warm side, but we're still seeing decent buck activity, and especially in the last week. UM, I'm a lot more daily activity. Now, you and your brother Tom have historically had some success bowl hunting in late October. What is it about your hunting style or the property that you're on that you think sets up for killing bucks this time of year. Yeah, so, Thompson, I we hunt we have had primarily big tracks of timber to hunt. We never really have had access to like big food plots or anything like that. Um. So I feel like we've figured out how to hunt ridge is um very successfully. And then the other side of that, with late Octobers, we've killed our bucks primarily over scrapes. We found really good travel areas on top of these ridge lines that it's taken a few years to figure out. But um, Yeah, our our combination has been really good travel areas on top of these ridge lines, and then coined that with really really fresh signs, and that's where I've been. Our success has been. Um, it's been a pretty simple formula that hey, let's get a good access into that area so we don't have to be worried about our wind, get the right wind, get in there, and yeah, it's we've really had good luck hunting fresh sign on ridge lines in late October. What are you seeing for signmaking right now in Kansas? Um. We actually we did a small walk about to move some of our cameras around today and we were surprised that there are a lot of scrapes around. And we are here just about oh four yeah, four or five days ago, and just today walking around we saw at least new scrapes, so um, they're definitely starting to hit those pretty hard. Um. We haven't checked out the timber um in the area that deer would rub on. We've got a lot of hedge in the areas that we've hunted so far, and uh, deer don't want to rub on that for obvious reasons such a it's such a hard wood. Um. But yeah, the scrape activity has been really really good the last last few days. What's the standards of the crop harvest in Kansas right now and what other food sources are relevant this time of year. Yeah, I would say in our area, I bet we're looking at harvested in the area. Still have the occasional field that I'm seeing that's still standing. UM. But yeah, I feel like UM, a few weeks ago when they really pulled most of the crops out UM, that actually had a pretty decent impact UM on deer movement, and I felt like our stids got pretty decent actually during that time October. But yeah, as far as now, I feel like they are not as worried about their food sources and moving to those those thicker bedding areas. But I'll tell you what on ont least on our our eight acres in canvas that we're hunting, we've got three acres of a mix of corn beans and then we've got these tiny little transition pots we call them, that are UM usually clover and maybe some brass cousin there, but basically just a mix that we threw over UM this spring. UM. And those pots have been the ones that have really caught fire the last week. And I think it's because, um, it's in the timber, so the deer are super safe. And did those are the plots that we're just getting hammered by dose And again they're small, they're like quarter acre or smaller. And the last week we've seen that buck activity pick up in those because it was such a home to all these doughs that instead of a herd of does moving through in the evening, we're getting a couple of straggler bucks to be on their tails to you know, in late October. How do your morning setups differ from your evening setups? Um? Honestly, the last last few days we been having them pretty similar, but I would stay in the evening UM, which we've based it on a lot of trail cam activity. Are evenings have been better. So the only thing that we're doing in the evenings that's a little different in the morning is maybe getting a little more aggressive and maybe getting a little tighter to where we see these these deer heading. Um in the morning, I think we do steal this like this This time is probably the last week were we might play it safe a little bit more in the mornings and work the food to betting areas that might not be as risky, but yeah, for these evening setups we're getting, we're hugging betting pretty tight. And if you could throw in like I was just talking about, like a little green clover pot in there, um that that's been really money for us going forward. Then in the next week or so, what do you think that buck activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Kansas, I'd go to eight out of ten. I would think I'd give it one more up. Um, I think this time of the year is amazing. Um. And and I do think it's still it's still at least in Kansas, is still getting up into the fifties and almost the sixty mark during the day. Um, it is different too about thirty degrees. So I do think, I mean, it's still a little warm, but this is the time of year that hey, bucks are gonna start moving, and um, everybody's kind of getting ansty in the deer woods. So um, I'm expecting it to be really good the next week. All right, Nay, good luck to you and your brother. Thanks for joining me. Thanks senter alright and joining us on the line. Next is Greg Litzinger from the Bow Hunting fiend YouTube channel in New Jersey. Now Greg in New Jersey, what would you say the bucket activity is ben lately? On a scale of one to ten, I'll give it a six. I think the weather has had a lot to do with it. It's really here in Jersey. It's it's been warm and a lot of weird winds, a lot of east wind, southeast wind. So there's definitely some changes to normal. UM. I guess normal patterns yearly patterns, So I will give it a six. You know, especially public land. He has strictly public land here. So what are you seeing for signmaking right now in New Jersey? Um Robs, bigger rubs are popping up, UM say, like the big boys have come out a little bit and scrimping areas. UM are They're staying active, but not like super active like they were around the twelfth of October. They were really jumping off. I've perceived in the next couple of days it should you have pick back up your regarding your regardless of the weather. If you're doing some in season scouting this time of year on public land in the northeast, what are some things that you're looking for this year? I've located foods. Of contrary on foods, UM, there's a lot there's a bump or acorn crop UM in the woods hunting, so there's food everywhere, So trying to find the right food which is going to be key. I think, Um, we have corn and beans, but they've been known that stuff down because it's been dried out, so the the crops have been slowly disappearing as force some monest deer in the woodlots a little sooner than normal. So UM food has been become a highlight on I think for a lot of this deer because there's just you know, it's it's everywhere and they just want to disgorge. If you're running trail cameras right now on public land, where do you want to have them this time of year? In New Jersey? Um, I'm a scrape guy. UM so I'm I'm near scrapes on a scrape line. Um anything scrape baste, I guess good option. Historically, when do you usually start seeing some rotting activity like chasing and sparring in that part of the country. October seems to be the first couple of those around here, kind of popping the heat. Get a few, so get the bus under feet in late October? How does the morning set up differ for you than in the evening set up for me? Personally? They are to say a UM sitting over a scrape. UM usually morning and evening unless I feel running some crazy hot like food sign or something on the way in. But basically I'm focusing on big scraping areas or scraping line feeding like a uh, your known food source. Are you able to use aerial imagery at all to identify places that are likely to have useful scrapes to hunt? He depends on where I'm hunting. Um. Where I'm hunting this year, it's kind of just it's a lot of Laurel big woods kind of setting. So aerial photos and datum you can see some of the oa trees, little patches of oaks and yes, So when you're identifying a good scrape to be haunting in late October, what are some key features that you're looking for? Numerous scrapes on one tree with all broken overhead, you know, licking branches or a like a scraping you know area. I guess there's numerous scrapes on numerous trees. Just the most scrapes the better and a small small area going forward. Then in this next week or so, what do you think that bucket activity is going to be on a scale of one to ten in New Jersey. Um, I'm gonna give it an eight. I just think, you know, historically speaking, you know, it's been you know, a weird strange wind and weather here, and they're just gonna They're gonna have the the arts breath and move, So these scraping areas are gonna, you know, just really ramp up, and the box as definitely going to be under feet just because, um, if you're not for your last basically this time of year for breeding. Alright, Greg, good luck with the rest of your falling. Thanks for joining me, Thanks for having me all right and joining us online. Next is Lake Pickle from Primost In Mississippi. Now Lake in Mississippi. What would you say the buck activity has been lately on a scale of one to ten. I'm gonna give it a two. I'm gonna go I know that sounds like a low score, but I think a lot of folks from down there. Of course you'll have your your outliers, but a lot of folks from that area would probably agree. Uh, this time of year, the weather, I mean it's still hot. I mean it's deer season. So some people folks have that mindset that you know, seasons open, you gotta go, you gotta try, which I completely understand. But um, last week we had a full moon, hot weather, it's humid. It's just not not a lot of things motivating a deer, a buck move and daylight hours. So that's where the where the low score came from. Historically in late October and Mississippi is the buck movement of two out of ten. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say it not anything above a five by any by any means, Are you seeing any signmaking right now in Mississippi? You'll see, you know, some scrapes and stuff, but nothing, nothing, anything too intense. We're still a month it'll be late November early December before you start seeing anything really like that breaking loose. What food sources are relevant right now for deer hunters in that part of the country. Um, a lot of your masteries? What did that be? You know, soft masks like for symmetries and stuff like that. Have you stuff some acron trees that are very much in play? Um? And then you'll have a few guys that do early season food flights. If you can have a food flight that early and it be up and and going, that can be a good food source for you. But I'd say mostly a lot of natural stuff is still your key. Where do you like to run your trail cameras this time of year? Um, food flots if you got them, and and any kind of food sources, because that's where most of us gonna be for sure in late October and Mississippi, are you doing much for morning hunts? And if so, what do those setups look like? We don't man um And I tell you the reason behind that. Uh, it's come like a not a point of not really a point to argue on, but it just a lot of different opinions. Uh, where we hunt at there's a lot of other pressure around, you know, whether that be from neighboring landowners or whatever. But the deer just tend to get pressured a lot. And this time of year were key and heavy on food sources and a lot of times that we figured out through a lot of trial and error. If we're trying to just you know, sneak into food sources before daylight, A lot of times you end up bumping the deer off and the deer down here, especially where we hunt, they do not. They respond to pressure drastically. So uh, if we get you know, like pull a trail camera and see something that you know, maybe shows a morning hunt, maybe worth sneaking in there and trying it, will do it. But most of the time we just leave it sit in the morning and go in the afternoon strictly for no other reason and just had to take pressure off those year because they're so they response drastically to it. Usually historically, Then when do you like to start doing some morning haunts in Mississippi when you start seeing some pre rud activity. Um, when you start seeing bucks do more than just get up and go the bare minimum distance to get a bit of food and go back. Uh, you see them start getting on their feet and moving and that and that then and then born and hunts definitely become worth it up and when the rud starts, you know, kicking morning hunts can be fantastic. That's when we had some of our best hunts last year. But this time of year, I think in our situation we're doing more harm than we than we are good. Typically, when the temps are high this time of year. Does water factor into your setups at all? Not really where we are, just because there's there's not like there's a a low availability of it. I mean, we've got creeks and lakes and ponds. There's just so many places they can go to get water. Granted they are using it, it's just you're not gonna find some places heavily concentrated for them to do that. They just have too much access to water. Going forward. Then this next week or so, what do you think that Bucket TV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Mississippi Una. I'm gonna say I could say we could see like a four or five. We starts handing some cooler temperatures, um, but but still I wouldn't grade at anything too high. Alright, Lake, good luck to you and the boys from Premos. Thanks for joining me. Thanks man alright and joining us on the line. Last, it's t J Unger in Indiana from the Virtue TV. Now t J in Indiana, what would you say the buck activity is bent Leley on a skill of one to ten, Ah Spencer, we are looking at lately probably about a six. We're sitting here around a six to a seven in northeast Indiana. Um buck activity is definitely increasing. We're seeing more two three year olds all through the daylight hours. Does are getting dogged and they know it. I mean they're they're getting very familiar with what the next step is. UM. So things are things are ramping up pretty quick. I've got us probably at a six or seven right now. That part of the country has been getting a lot of precipitation this month. How has that change things for deer and deer hunters we have as of late especially, we've been getting several inches of of rain. So one of the biggest factors are variables. There's a lot of standing crops, so we've got a bonch of corn that's still standing around, which obviously you guys know. Um it just increases habitat for these da They can spend more time out in the corn and less time in the in the field edges and in the woods where us hunters are. UM. So deer still hanging pretty tight to that habitat um, and it makes it a little bit more difficult to have daylight, you know, daylight uh encounters and and uh really seeing your your number ones and two's hitting your hitting ear scrapes and whatever else. So crops standing crops, I think is has affected, at least on the farms that I'm on. UM. They started getting indros out last week, but we just got hit with another few inches last night. UM. I'm expecting probably crops to still stand another two or so weeks. UM going into the route heavy, which is going to change things quite a bit. Besides standing corn and beans, what other food sources are relevant right now for hunters in that part of the country. So I've seen a pretty recent transition to greens. So we've got colder TIMPs finally, UM, and obviously they need those the greens to help digest the greens. But UM, as of late seeing a nice transition onto those green food plots. So we have a lot of clover plots, we've got brassicas, UM, we ran a lot of winter peas this year. UM, and the deer finally figuring it out and they're hitting those greens more frequently and more frequent daylight hours for us. So I'm running all cell cameras across all of my farms UM, and it's been really neat to watch as the farmers have pulled like indros out. Um, those deger transitioned obviously to the fresh corn. UM, but they've popped right back over to the greens as of here the last week. UM. So I think we get these north winds that are in the forecast, UM, I'll start hunting those green plots pretty pretty heavily. What do you see for signmaking right now? In Indiana? Scrapes are hot scrapes. They're absolutely on fire right now. I had a little bit of a downtime UM maybe a week ago, UM, which was maybe kind of a soft wall um. But to this last weekend, those scrapes absolutely turned up again. I mentioned we've got we've had a lot of precipitation. Um, those bucks are are freshening those scrapes. You know, once that that front moves out, they're hitting those main community scrapes really hard. So I'm getting a lot of really exciting videos coming in, UM of the number ones and twos that they're freshening them up. They're figuring out who's two and communicating of course, but UM, it's active. They're hitting those scrapes every two to three days. UM. Obviously precipitation plays factor there but um sign is high. A lot of buck rubs, a lot of scrapes right now across all my farms. I assume by now you're doing some morning haunts. So how do your morning setups differ from your evening setups in late October? Yeah? So, Um, obviously with day betting changing around a little bit with crops, you know, even though they're pulling indros out, Um, those deer are transitioning from betting to those grain fields. Um, even just on those edges and indros. So I'm focusing a little bit more on transition routes. Um, those betting areas. You know, they're going through the funnels to get to that food. Um. I'm watching those doughs pretty heavily, especially those mature doughs that are getting bumped around, um to kind of decide where I'm wanting to set up. So starting to focus on those dough betting areas. In past years in Indiana, when there's been a laid harvest that carries on into the rout how do you sort of combat that by having some good encounters. Do you have any hot tips for bow hunting white tails when they're still standing crops into the rut Um, I don't you know, it's tough for me to speak to every for everyone here because I'm hunting a lot of properties that have postage stamp you know, parcels or wood lots. So we're hunting on you know, thirty wood lots um that are surrounded by corn. In some places, it is an advantage because those deer are able to hold on those smaller pieces or those smaller parcels UM. With that in mind, I'm keeping pressure down as low as I possibly can send control as humongous and access uh is critical for these areas. So with the corns still standing, you know, deer are still hanging out in those fields all day long. Um. So I'm just being extra mindful of obviously win direction as I'm accessing. But um, you know, as I start to push in a little bit closer on betting, is being really really mindful of my ground scent and you know how that scent is blown into those areas. So it's tough hunting these small parcels um, but it can be an advantage if you play it right. So you know, for an example, we've got these indros that are being cut out, and typically I'd be hunting over that corn you know, an entire cut corn field. But we've mixed it up a little bit this year and made some natural blinds in standing corn um to give us a little bit of leverage to get closer and and you know, maintain that control of of the wind. But um, just trying to be a little bit more creative, um, you know, with with these obstacles, er challenges that we've been presented, with super wet conditions and a lot of crops. Going forward, Then in a six week or so, what do you think that bucket TV is going to be on a scale of one to ten in Indiana. I'm gonna throw it out there, I expect, I hope. I'm gonna see about it eight to a nine here over the next week week and a half. Um, we've got this big rain event that's moving out here Tuesday. So Tuesday night, UM should be a pretty pretty exceptional little sit tim ten degree temperature drop and it should remain consistent over the next five to eight days. UM. So I'm looking for that activity that we've seen ramp up just kind of explode for us here with us next couple of weeks. So I'm still gonna say conservatively in eight, because it's just not very often we see a ten um, but eight and a half, I'll be happy with it, all right, t J like your optimism, Good luck with the rest of your fall, and thanks for joining me likewise man, thanks for having me on. And that concludes this week's episode of rout Fresh Radio. Thanks to Nate, greg Lake, and t J for joining me, and thank you guys for listening. As a reminder, the reading materials for this week can be found in the description of the episode. 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