00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, Phil, Hey Ben, what's up? We got a new song? Remember that song from Kayla Ray that we said we were going to play. Yeah, I was. I was wondering because this episode just started without the theme song, and I was really confused. Yeah, I know you're confused. Behind the scenes, it's ready. Have you listened to it? Yes? I have, and it's beautiful. She's great. I made She's great, You're great. I'm not sure about me, but it is a beautiful song. We're gonna play it in its entirety for this episode, just so you guys get a flavor of it, and we'll we'll splice it up to make a little shorter for future episodes. But here it is. Do we have a name for the song? Phil, what's the name of the song? I don't know. Did Kayla not name it? Come on, man, well I'm Phil the anthem of Phil t Engineer. 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Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. I'm, of course Benjamin, Patrick O'Brien and Philly engineers here. Phil say hello, Hey, Ben, how are you. I'm good. I'm good. I'm feeling really excited about this episode, but I do need We've just listened to Kaylor Ray's uh the ode the anthem of Filthy Engineer for the very first time. I'm that that just like gets my blood up. I'm ready. It's almost like a goblin turkeys at like eight yards and we just gotta get him the rest of the way. That's what this show is gonna be for me. But um, I just gotta tell you this is this show is a little bit different. We're not going to have like a real uh, We're not gonna have a guest from Cornell University. Let me just say that our guest is probably smarter than than one James Tantillo. But we're not going to have the regular show format. We're going to talk about I feel the need, Phil to address the chapter formation of THHC. The chapters that have formed, and almost a ton of states will find out the exact numbers here in a minute, but I feel a need to address that topic and give everybody all the information they need, probably too much information to join these chapters if you would like, and then we can move forward from there. But I just felt like we need to have a whole episode really talking about what's happening over on Mark Zuckerbert's Facebook. Um, Phil, have you joined the Montana chapter yet? No? I am not on Facebook, son of a bitch. What in the hell, Phil, are you would you would you consider lighten up a Facebook page just for this purpose, Like fill the Engineer probably gonna need to have a fan page or maybe some sort of live video game streaming thing that you do. I I'm I'm willing to create kind of like a pseudo very light account for this for this purpose, I'm not gonna there's that there will be no pictures of me. I won't even use my real name. I don't even think you can do that on Facebook. But I'm gonna about Mango. What about Mango get to be in there. If you see Mango Mango T Engineer on Facebook, that's actually me, Mango T Engineer. That's a that's a T shirt. Maybe we have so many talented illustrators out there. If somebody wants to illustrate Mango T Engineer, I would happily make a T shirt out of that. But that's what we're gonna do, Phil, So we need you to get involved. At this point. I've kept you at arms lengths from the chapters because I didn't want you to get too excited about what we were doing and um and try to take control, because I now that's how you like to do. But it's happening. It's happening. It's like an underground movement, but a lot of people are talking about it. So I'm i'm I want to keep it underground. But for the listeners of this podcast, we're gonna we're now joined by Now I'm not sure how to introduce this guy, Luke, I'm not sure how to introduce you. You did tell me that you and your lovely wife Lisa are the first family of THHC. Do you want to expound upon that at all? Well, I'm just uh, I just don't think that any of the other guys that are running these state chapters probably even ran by who they were going to marry, you know, to you or Phil. I mean, how many of their wives do you know, I dedicated? I wouldn't call that dedication. I mean a point, they could have just married any any old lady and just with without even consulting you. And I mean, I just I don't think that that would be the proper thing for a follower of his cult to do. Yeah, No, I agree with you. I agree with you a lot. I mean, even if people came to be followers of the cult with current wives, we should have some sort of review process, uh to approve those wives. So you know, I know you did call out air call as as not having done that. So I do want to officially say you're well, you're well welcome if you'd like it to the first family Moniker now and you know, if you should have additional offspring in the future or offspring you know, your first offspring. We can then talk about how that works at that point, but you you're welcome to have that. So that let's make that official. Phil, Can you give your blessing please? Oh? Of course, yeah, thank you. Phil. So Luke Reeves in Nebraska, you are the officially the Nebraska chapter leader UM and the first father of THHC, the first Yeah, that's fine, that's fine, let's go with that. So tell you like you're here too. I asked on our we've created a Facebook page just for the leadership of our chapter group and are called and I asked you to represent that leadership group that I think now is thirty people something like that, to to address the entire audience about what's going on, what's been progressing here, how the other people can get involved. There's a lot of questions that we have people. I'm sure we'll have, What is this? Why are you doing it? The question I've asked many times is it legal? Are we in any legal trouble? Um? Can we all get arrested? And is there cool it? All these things that we need to be asking. So I did send you like a list of questions, but first just describe, like why you want to do that, why you want to be a part of this thing that we're that we're embarking on, and what it means to you. Because there were a lot of people, more than I thought, posting on our little Facebook group about how much this meant to them, And I take that, you know, take that very seriously, take that to heart. As much as it's hard for me to be serious on this topic, I do take the heart that you know, people gathering and connecting over this particular topic is important. UM, So give the people kind of how you came to want to I want to do all this well. Um, I grew up in a small town in Nebraska. Um, just about everybody that I was friends with, UM grew up on ing. Uh you know, I went out with my dad and did that kind of that kind of thing. But as we grew up, UM, you know, around there it's all everybody goes out to you know, their uncle's pasture or their you know, their cousins got of cornfield where they accidentally missed, you know, the Auger wagon with the combines. So there's a nice grain pipe out there, and and essentially kind of it, uh kind of turned into basically wherever you could park your truck. You know, if you could park your truck closest to the grain pile, you'd be the guy that the guy that got the best deer. And uh so I just kind of got kind of got away from it as I got older, um got out of hunting and everything. Actually majored in Wildlife and Resources at the University Corny because I met a group of guys there when I went I did like hunting, and they kind of had the same sort of way I like to look at the same sort of way. You know, didn't it wasn't fun just to go out and shoot your you know, it wasn't fun just to go. It wasn't just about that. It was going and being in the nature is kind of getting back to the old ways of hunting, where you know, you went a lot of spotting stock. I don't even have very many friends and hunt more. So I really like that. But then, of course, you know, uh I grew up watching them. I'd wake up on Saturday mornings and watch all the hunting shows and kind of the hunting media that was out there, and uh, you know, there's only so many episodes you can watch the guys, you know, Thanking the Good Lord, that the Big Why they walked up under their feet, and you know, they just can't keep doing those same episodes. But then, uh, you know, I actually saw you on Joe Rogan and telling the story about seeing that baby up in the mountains and the wolf that wasn't and uh so that actually drew me to you, um through Joe Rogan. So I started listening to the Hunting Collective as soon as you started posting enough episodes and stuff. I think I've had it on my phone. I think it's one of my longest recurring podcasts. And you know, I'm obviously a member of like BHM, remember Rocky mount Help Foundation, from a Wild Turkey Association, all those things, and you know there's even some local ones, um like the Nebraska Big Game Conservation Association and things like that, and uh, I always kind of like those but they always kind of all think, uh to be the same thing. You know, it's come by a raffle for a gun, eat a meal, and that's pretty much what it is. And what I saw was this was an opportunity for us to uh, you know, really have a bunch of like minded individuals get together and focus on what we really want to do, which is to recruit keep people hunting. I think, uh, if I would go as far as to guess what our goal would be for this group, it would be that, um, you know, in a couple of years, we can look and note the difference of the amount of hunters that are out there in every state, about the people that are actually starting hunting from new you know, to be a new hunter. And that's kind of what I'm what I'm going for in it, and what brought me to it is the opportunity to just get people out hunting and get people back into it. Because that's what it did for me, is it got me back into it and showed me how great it can be. Look guys through a different lens and a more educated kind of, like you said, a more nuanced way of looking at hunting, And I would like to you know, bring that to as many people as we can. Yeah, yeah, I mean it. We were talking about this on that on our Leader admin page there about how it's kind of hard to see. I mean, it's hard to see generational change in anything really until you're a few, maybe at least a few generations out from that change. Then you can start to see how things have shifted. But from from the work that I've done in the seat that I sit in, I can tell you that there is real shift coming from emerging hunters and people that are ran new and bringing their own heritage to it. That's way different than what I came up in or what even you came up because I also watched ESPN outdoor shows every Sunday morning when they came on, and I remember the day when those got canceled, and I remember thinking, you know, things are changing. I was just newly in the hunting industry in fact when they got canceled, and so I feel like things have changed for you know, for many years. But now and what we've seen with this show and with other other things that we do, Uh, there's a lot of you you out there listening that are brand new to this, and so every every step you take towards our community with your own perspective, you're gonna change the tide. You're gonna change the foundation on which we stand. So that's I think that's a big part of of why anybody would want to join something like this. So I appreciate I appreciate that, and we're we're saying that. Jim Fleischer on he wrote a message about that last night to us um about exactly that. So that's so if you want to be let's let's start by saying, if you want to be a leader, you you won't find me, particularly personally. Maybe you'll find Mango the engineer on some of these chapter pages. Feels you feel like when you create your page that you'll visit the chapter pages and grace them with your evervescent presence and soul. Yeah I know, Yeah, of course I'll check in and see what's up, say hey, uh, this whole thing is just yeah, it's really it's really cool, Ben, And I think I don't know, no, if I'm going too far is to say it might be the coolest thing to come out of this podcast. I don't know, Man, you're pretty cool, Like, oh, yes, that's right. I did come out of this podcast. You're right, yeah, you were nothing before this. Um. But you know what, it's also cool you get to play video games with That is that came out of I take it back, me me me finding a Destiny two friend to play with. That was the coolest thing to come out of this podcast. Yes, Um, all right, man, Well let's try to start at a point that makes sense again to recap for everyone. We made a joke about possibly having a regional chapter when we had a gentleman in the Blue Ridge Mountains that needed help and we had so many people put their hand up to help him. I made the joke at all that could be our first regional chapter. And UM, fast if you allow me to fast forward to this moment, here we are. Um, that's that's how this began. Now where we are. You're here Luke to to represent all the leaders of our chapters. So we have a lot of questions about like where are we I lost track of where we were long ago. UM, and I'm hoping you've got some you've been keeping track how many actual Facebook pages are out there that are hunting collective chapters? We have we have thirty nine pages. Um, but Nevada as a chapter leader without a page yet. So that'll bring us to forty. Um, so then we only have ten states that weren't represented. Shout out to Patch from Alabama for throwing together our Google doc sheet that's got all of our information with track all that stuff. Can you believe that, Phil, we got a Google doc? Wow? Would you like to be a part of that Google doc? I mean you're welcome to You're invited. You don't have to be, it's just it's an open invite. If you would like to be added to the Google duck. Oh yeah, of course, throw me on, Throw me on that dock, baby, all right, remember getting somewhere? All right, Look, so we have forty pages now, um, do we have like a total membership number? Now? I would counsel. I have yet to counsel all the leaders that I do feel as though we should grow very slowly, like we should take this very We don't want this to be a thing just for anybody to come in that wants to as we've we've seen already like get dope on a good hunting spot or um or just you know, just come in to sell their wares or whatever it might be. So I would counsel everyone. Let's let's let's grow slowly. Um, but we gotta start somewhere. So where are we right now with those pages? Well, I actually posted that on our our admin Facebook group, and we had a guy that was already trying to schedule a local public lands clean up, and I said, I don't even think we know how we're supposed to get members yet, let alone, uh, you know, get people to go and clean public lands. So I think you should slow down. But as of right now, we're at eight hundred and sixty total members. California's leading that with two members, and that's a shout out to Jordan Rigsby and Nury Home. Um. After that, we got Wisconsin with eighty seven, Arizona's got eighty four, and then Washington and Colorado both have seventy six. Um, those are the that would be the five biggest chapters. Here in Nebraska, we've got three. Um. I've noticed a lot of guys in the bigger states with a lot of members are starting to double up or even some chapters were talking about getting three guys to be kind of the admin, uh, the kind of the mentors of the mentors. What I did in Nebraska is um. Everybody I added when I started the group was somebody who and I consider I would consider an expert in some aspect of the outdoors. Um I got. I got really lucky. Of one of my older old friends is a guy named Jordan Dameth and he actually works with He's worked with Cabela's and he works with Pheasants Forever and he's got his own I think they got their own clothing brand called out the Obsession. But he's a you know, he's worked with these big companies before, and he knows how to kind of draw members and stuff like that, especially coming in from Pheasants Forever. And uh, he's a huge fan of the podcast. And so when I reached out to him and talk to him about kind of helping me with his page, he just freaked out. And so it's pretty he's pretty excited, and I'm pretty excited about that because he's one of the best hunters I've probably probably ever met in my life just in the way he does it. He's got young kids and he finds a way to get them out there into the outdoors with them and they have success. And I think just a lot of people our age well who are wanting to get into emergent hunting will be able to learn a lot from him. And I know a lot of other guys and other chapters are starting out doing that too. Is they're trying to reach out to guys who know probably more than them. Almost everybody I reached out who knows more about hunting or fishing or anything than me. Um, nobody in Nebraska knows more about gardening and canning than me, though, So I can be the expert in that and help people with that stuff. That's right, man, that's that's yeah. Right. I'll just like stumble through how to articulate how cool that is. But it is very cool. Um. We've had a lot of people across like a lot of people over time trying to even have people say like, here's the manifesto, here's the roadmap, here's what's possible. Right, And obviously, when you start something like this, you and you don't really know what the roadmap looks like. There are a number of questions, right, Uh, what are we trying to do? Like, what do we actually do? Are we just a bunch of people I want to hang out and go hunting? Have you thought about that at all? Have you talked to any other leaders of other chapters about this kind of stuff, because I have, Like I said, uh, there's lots of posts on our Facebook page of people want wanting to answer those things. Well, Um, what I always kind of went back to was that outdoor recreation adoption model, you know, the recruit, retain, recactivate, And I thought, if we were going to take and look at anything in you know, our group, it would be just focus on the recruit and then the reactivate. You know, our biggest focus would be on recruiting new people. And I think the best thing to do would be to for people in these states. You know, the more experts you recruit, you have those experts go out and find people or you know, they know people. Now with social media, you know, everybody's got a thousand friends out there, and you'll be able to find, you know, people that are interested in some aspect of what we're doing in these groups. And I think that's a better way to grow organically than to just get on and add all your friends. And so I think that's what we're trying to do into recruit new members and then people who who are like me, who used to hunt when they were little kids. You know, they'll say, hey, there were these guys are starting this group and this is kind of what it's all about, and so they'll get back into it. Yeah, I like it. I mean I did send out to all the leaders a few rules we live by and some of our rules for hunting conservation. Again I was I'm gonna say three four white clause. Deep can put these together as a bullet points. So Phil, I'm gonna need your reaction to this as well, if you'd like to add anything. I really just want to engage you in this process this because right now I feel like you're on the outside looking in and I need you here. I need you to be my confidant. An then, I I appreciate you reaching out, but I, as I said on the podcast, probably too many times, I don't know if I'm the person fail doing that. I want this there there there, there's a time and place for the non hunter's perspective. Uh this further this, I'm gonna step aside. I'm gonna step aside. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you to be quiet right now, and then I'm gonna bring you back in later and you're gonna have a different attitude. O, yes, sir, all right, come back later when you're ready to play ball. Luke's ready, he's ready. He's like calling his friends up. Man. I love that. You need to be doing the same. You need to just say you need to. I'll get you a shirt. You need to be if you could take mango to the veterinaria. You need to be recruiting people in all areas of your life. Uh, and it needs you to be fired up. But anyway, here are the rules we live by, at least I live by and if other people would like to live by them, that's fine. Uh. The number one and again, I was half lit when I wrote these. Always actively challenge your own beliefs and the beliefs of your community. Remain open to nuance and skeptical of pandering bullshit. Seek out your own biases and understand their impacts on your worldview. And uh, finally, never take yourself too seriously because those first three can be real problematic if you yourself are an asshole. So don't do that. Uh. Here are the rules. When I think of hunting a conservation, this is how I personally think of it. When it comes to wildlife conservation. We use the North American model as our guide, as in the Guardrails, not the not the Bible, but the Guardrails certainly is imperfect model, so we can kick it in its teeth when we need to. Uh. Second to that, as a hunter's goal should be to maintain the health of the ecosystem in which he or she hunts. Pretty simple. We must prioritize fair kill over fair chase, never shy away from discussing the ethics and morality of our actions. Number four, hunting should always be viewed as the sustainable use of a natural resource. And number five, the hunting community should strive to inclusive by promoting a diversity of ideas and backgrounds. Uh. Yeah, So those rules govern the way I've come to think of it. Those rules are subject to change daily, hourly. Should Phil send me a cool link of something to read, I'm going to change them at any time. But that's that's how I approach them at this point. And um, I think it's it's as we start these chapters and we start down this road, it's important to understand kind of the origin story of why we are doing this. So what other what other things we need to do? Do on here, Luke, what do we need to tell people? We need to tell people how to find these pages, that's for sure, and how they can get up and who the leaders are. You want to just run us down the list of let's call out our chapter leaders if we can, do you have that and then also kind of how they can search and find their state chapter page. Give me us a second here, Phil, you fill in this moment, fill with some commentary. All right, So quiet quiet Phil, Let Luke talk. Stop interrupting him. So we got these now in alphabetical order. Alabama, you're gonna go with Patrick Ray, and that's gonna be You're gonna all of these are gonna be called the Hunt Collective and then your state's chapter. Outside of UM. You know we have the Blue Ridge, we have the Coastal Plains North Carolina, UM, mid Atlantic, we have a military chapter, UM, the Mountain West, New England. Those are all gonna be grouped together, and those are all gonna have specific leaders as of right now. UM, Like as of right now, we don't have any leaders for either of the Dakotas. So what we've been talking about is me taking over to the South Dakota one until we can find somebody get up there. We're also thinking about putting North Dakota in with Minnesota. But I'll read you guys the the states and their leaders. Now we have Alabama, we have Patrick Ray Alaska. We have A B. Rich Arizona. We have Mark Dill Arkansas. We have Jacob Davis Blue Ridge. That's North Carolina. We have Eric Hall, the man, the myth, the legend himself. That would probably be your inaugural chapter. That would be the Phil Taylor Memorial chapter. Um, yeah, hold on, hold on, memorial. I don't know what do you call it when they're still alive? All I know is memorial. I don't know. How do you how do you want someone that's awesome and still alive? But I don't know. I like memorial. That's it's looking into the future. It's just planning for the future. Hey, I'll tell you what, When you name your first turkey, then that inaugural chapter will be named after your first turkey and it can be the Blank Turkey Memorial chapter. Luke for the ideas, Hey, Luke, have any engineering skills podcast? Absolutely none. I like what you're bringing to the table here. Okay, continue, please continue, but then you know, California right now is our heaviest hitter. UM. It's got literally a quarter of our total membership is just out of that state. UM. And they've got Jordan Rigsby and Nuri Hong. Nuri Hong is also a member of the Nebraska chapter. He's got a Facebook page called Emergent Hunter Phil Yea And so I want to read something. Thank you for that, because I want to read something that he wrote here when you're done. But I was one I was going to ask you who that exactly was. Yeah. He because I blocked him like three times and I was like, no, license, stay out of my page? Isis this is so fake that doesn't even make sense? But it wasn't. He does. Okay, it's good. It's good to know that's who that is, because I because he has been posting it a couple of times that I didn't I didn't know. Yeah, And if we have we actually so we do have chapters down here in the United States. We also are a multi nage group. It would be multinational group because we do have two Canadian chapters. Uh. They're led by Dave Campbell and Dan Koehler. Uh. Then we have a Coastal Plains of North Carolina chapter, which is read Darrel. We have Colorado that's Ryan. I'm a butcher's last name, Supena. I'm just saying, like I know, I'm just that's how just how I say it. I don't know, that's just how I say. Florida has got a guy named Mark Ernest Phil He did actually just start Facebook for this group. He is one of the few people that I actually didn't I didn't let him in the admin group because I was like, oh, created nineteen minutes ago with zero friends, you're definitely not a bot. So I blocked him. So people are doing that field. It's all a cool thing. It's worth it to let the government track you to be a part of this group. Uh. Georgia's leader is Mike Morris, and then we go all the way down to Iowa and that is Jim Slicener. We got Kansas as Kelsey guy. We've got Michigan that's Keith Sprague. Our military chapter is Eric Jobber. We've got Minnesota that's UM Derek Storical. Missouri is Greg Moon and Ben Peterson UM Nebraska, which, uh, it'll be it's just me as of right now, but I will probably ask a guy named Jordan to help me with that, especially if we take over South Dakota, which probably way Shamon Spencer near Hearth I don't know still still ran away, but I was gonna say if he did end up giving one of those cuzies from our wedding, take it back because he doesn't have a group, so he can't. I was very surprised, And let me just say that I may have missed the email from someone in South Dakota. Like I had a lot of emails, so there may be somebody that if you're listening to this and you're mad at us, like just just right back in and tell me, hey, I had my hand up and you missed me. Um. But I haven't seen anything from either of the Dakotas, which I love hunting in your eights, especially the southern one. And uh, I was very disappointed in all of you in the Dakota sam Soholt is over there. I just I don't understand. I understand. I have a friend that played was actually Carson Wentz is backup in North Dakota State, and uh, he hunts and stuff, and he I said him all the information about it, and he hadn't done anything, so well, maybe we'll get Carson Wentz. We get Carson Wentz eventually his TV show. Yeah, man can dream man. I think he wears Sitka through to that. I can't do that. Hey. Oh, by the way, I'm looking at my emails now we have an Australian somebody with her hand up in Australia. Luke, I'm gonna connect you with Zach. He's awesome Arrow On Instagram he said a good day Ben. I'm not gonna read it in a but he said good day Ben, so I just have to say it that way. He emailing about we're coming to the the chapter leader of Australia. Mate. I've been listening since episode three or four, and think discussions you have the people you have on are very beneficial. I don't always agree with him, but I love what you're doing. I'd like to be part of it. So I'm gonna say to his email, Luke, all right, we will throw that shrimp on the barbie. And then we've got uh Nevada. Their leader is Jared Adams uh then New England is Dwayne Tribner and ab Rich. I imagine that they will probably end up getting some guys to help them as that's four states they've got in there. New Mexico is Michael Nass and Sean Manucci. It's a good one. New York is Martin Resnick, Ohio is Brian Howell, Oklahoma is Aaron Shaw, Pennsylvania is Mike Barrick, South Carolina is Ryan Waters. Tennessee it's cal and Harrold. Utah is b J. Trickler, Washington is Chris Stalker, and Wisconsin are Mike Peterson and John still Flew. And that would be all of your chapters that are up and running right now as of today on Facebook. So yep. And I don't like Phil, we could I mean, we chose Facebook just because it's the easiest thing. But Phil, I mean we could do something different for you. We're willing to change this up. Like it's all about I. I will make a a th HC chapter burner account. I'm fine. I'm totally fine with that. Okay, good Man, go the engineer. I like it all right. Well, that's that's awesome, man. I mean for that to come together that quickly, it is amazing to me. And I was telling Eric Hall doing some message back and forth him that he said well, you didn't know you were so popular. It was like, I don't know if that's the case, but I feel I feel like this is a good representation of where a lot of people are at in our space and when we try to and we try to define like our own lane within hunting, this is a good way to to define the fact that a lot of people are either looking to bring in new folks or are new folks themselves that would have that are in need of a mentor um and so I know we're talking about how you get that generational perspective of where you sit in and what you bring to the party. Um. I think this particularly is something that shows exactly what a lot of people need and what they want and where their heads are at. I'm gonna find this post by Nary Hong. Um I would like, I said, I was confused that it was a mergent Hunter for a while, and like, I wonder who that is. But I think Neary made a good post about a manifesto or a roadmap for what's possible. He said. Um, if I if I may be so bold, I'd like to posit a scaffold for an ambitious vision. This is coming from the perspective of a non hunter aspiring to be a future mentor. I believe my journey and my evolution in beliefs and perspectives represent a data point of and equals one for the feasibility of this plan. I like his approach. I I am assuming this data point will be explained in time. He said. One. Establish ourselves become the regional platform for new hunters. Ben the leader, has outlined the core principle we will live by. The group has already begun to do amazing things in less than seventy two hours. Our mentorship is exponential at this point and we need to keep going. Thanks to Patrick Ray for creating an amazing tracker. We've We've mentioned that uh number two build the army mentor and educate emergent hunters on all aspects of hunting, conservation, land policy, environmental policy, wildlife management, ethics, etcetera. Within our network, we will be the leading hunting mentors and conservations each regional Slush State chapter. We will actively recruit these people to join. At some point our mentor our membership will become compelling for others to use as a platform for education. Three. Deploy the Army. Let's be honest. Emerging hunters are often stereotyped as democratic hunters. This is true for a state like California, where I live. I was called this once by a very generous local mentor. He loves folks like us, quote unquote, and has taken many on hunts, even ones who who wore man buns in their hair. His words, not mine. I do not rock a man bun. That's good to know. Although this is a judgment free zone all the way around, man mun's are welcome, right Phil, I would say they're encouraged from here on out. Okay, I'm adding. I'm adding to the list bullet point seven, man bun required. No, Luke, that's don't let him. I can go video games, but I can come man buns. So Nuri. Nuri continues the point of all of this, Our army is a bridge to people who do not hunt, We do not understand, who do not understand hunting ethics, who do not understand how conservation works, who do not understand land policy, and do not do not understand everything else, etcetera. Essentially, this was me before I started this journey. What I've learned has changed my worldview. We can use this army as a voice for educating others and crossing the political bridge. We can unite what is divided in the name of conservation and wildlife management policy. We don't have to convert everyone to become hunters, we don't want that. But we can get them to like us and to become allies on common causes. We can use our army to achieve this. Create the th h see emergent hunting training ranches for wilder conservation, think back forty for new hunters. Establish a new nonpartisan political movement, the Land of Nature Party. Elect the presidential ticket of Ronnello Slash a lot being eagle in select bend the leader for Secretary of Interior? Who is in? Uh? Phil? Are you in for all of that? There's six six really important points there? But yeah, yeah, sure, I mean I think that there might be there might be some competition for Secretary of the Interior. Um who was second? Is that cow? It was it? I was thinking Caw for Interior. That doesn't mean yeah, I'll be maybe Uh, I don't know what I'll be. I'll just be in there somewhere, hanging out. I'd like to be maybe a lobbyist. You'll you'll you'll be transportation like Pete Bododa Buddha. They just throwing him a bone. Here you go, you get transportation, Secretary of Education. Well a lot of that, even though number six I probably am not into the other the other things, maybe not even number five. I don't think we need to start a land nature party, although that'd be fun. Um, particularly what nerd he's saying around deploying this activity is important to me and to get it out there and have people understand that there's a common cause here, regardless of however you label yourself or are labeled by others. Uh So, I like that. There's a bunch of other really important messages from people who are just talking about how this is has made them feel. Um, I want to read John Stealth, You Stealth Lou. I'm sorry everyone, I'll always get your name wrong. That's just how it is. It's kind of a right of passage here for me to funk up your name. I said, hey, everyone, I just want to take a minute and talk about what has happened in the last few days. I've been doing this hunting and fishing thing for about forty years. This quote unquote thing has re energized me. I was telling Mike Peterson, the other Wisconsin chapter leader, that I'm as excited for this as I was when I booked my first paying guide date for muskie fishing years ago. As the last few days have went on, I feel like every one of us could show up at an outing and shake hands and talk like we've been friends for years. I think we're all coming at this hunting and fishing thing from just about the same place. Thanks for doing this. I'm I'm likely the old man river in this group, but hey, someone has to be. I really believe we can make a difference, even if it is just picking up some trash in a parking lot. This is going to be a hell of a lot of fun. Uh yeah, man, I I just want to make sure that like, those words are probably more important than any words that I could say. Um, and I said this on the page there, that I that that gives me a little bit of a little bit of hope for the future and some satisfaction in the work. So I hope that does for everybody else. Now, anything else that I'm missing, Luke, Before we get to our little uh the way, We're gonna round this all out and give people a chance to do something cool. Um, No you miss anything here. I think we got it pretty much all squared away. One thing UM I had talked about doing with Jordan here in Nebraska that I was going to try to get your blessing for or see what you thought about it is UM, a lot of guys just on the group have been talking about how to get membership and things like that. And Uh, I happen to be lucky enough that just through the kind of connections I made in college and stuff, I've got friends that work in the Rocky Mountain Help Foundation and then at work and fettans for everything's like that. And so what Jordan and I were thinking about doing is either for having like a podcast or a blog that would just be talking to these groups about how to how they recruit, you know, how how do you go about having an auction, how do you go about having a fundraiser, How do you work on your membership? When do you start you know, when do you start looking for When do you start you know trying to you know, actually like a have projects that you're gonna do that will be in your name? Do you need to be an LLC? All those kinds of things that that you don't really think about when you just want to get a bunch of people together who like to hunt and to get people to start hunting. So I don't know, Um, it would be one of those things. We'd probably just make it available to the guys that are on our our Facebook pages and on on our thing, and we would just talk to them and like that would just kind of be a thing we would do to try to make it easier because I don't know have any mostly for me, because I don't have any idea how to recruit. I don't know how to do anything like that it knew people to come on. I think that's the problem is, Yeah, a lot of us are really good at kind of understanding what this is about, but not a lot of us really know how to go about making it happen. And so that's kind of something that I would like to learn how to do because I think this could be huge. I think this could be our version of the Rocky mountainel foundation of that we could be. We could be that big just with the momentum that we have kind of with everything that you guys going, I think we could draw in members the right kind of members and do just huge things. I mean, look at the way that we affect the ballot box. Now, just why you guys bringing up and stuff you know on your podcast And just imagine now if you've got a whole group to go besides go with that podcast to help get these you know, the bad bill around up, get all of those thrown out. And I just think that, you know, this guy could really be the limit with this and I'm just so excited to be a part of it. I'm just just super phil Phil. Uh, do we need to get We should probably get a lawyer on legal representation? Yeah, Luke. Uh, the ambition is incredibly inspiring. That's I mean, I I at first I was gonna like say something sarcastic here about a lawyer and how you know, meat Eater should probably probably have a meeting with with Steve or somebody. But I don't know, man, That's just that's just a great thing to to to strive for. And I don't I don't have anything. I don't have anything snarky to say. I don't I don't listen this. Uh, when you start down a path like this, you just gotta keep going forward. That's that's the best you can do. That's about all you can do. UM. So we'll keep doing that. But yes, we're absolutely want to feed I. I sit on the board of directors for b h A and we've seen this exact thing happen in that group. Like you get, people are passionate about this thing, they're passionate about gathering UM and you just have to let that passion lead the way. And you know, every once in a while you'll trip and fall down, but as long as you have that passion, you can get back up. So one thing that we're going to try to do for everybody is we're gonna have a little we're gonna call it a Field Days program because obviously this all started because somebody needed a mentor and everybody listening to this podcast wanted to step up or or a large number of people wanted to step up. So that was yeah, kind of the beginning here. So hat tip to that beginning, we started we want to start a Field Days program. Now, this is each of the chapter leaders will be running this themselves and they'll be compiling things. So if you're not in these Facebook pages and part of the conversation, you're gonna miss out. But we do this at Meat Eater, and we did this with First Light um internally, but it's something I think we can we can make work for this whole thing. And basically, um, we're going to do something called I guess i'll call it Field Days. What we could be? Tell me it's right into t a c to meet here and tell me that could be something cooler for a name. Maybe Phil has a name. The Inaugural Filthy Engineer Mentor Contest Memorial Tournament. Yeah, we'll we'll turn that into a an AFRONAM. It'll be fine. Well, yeah, we'll workshop it. We'll workshop it anyhow. What this is gonna do is incentiveive people go out there at the very at the very least, go out there and teach people what they need to know about hunting. Bring bring new people in and then teach them. That's that's basically what we're gonna do as a foundational effort here. So, UM, here's what's gonna work. If you go out if you're are a member or are you're part of a Facebook page for one of the forty plus the chapters we've got going out there, uh, and you join and you take someone hunting someone brand new. They don't have to be brand new, they have to be in need of membership. But brand new would probably be what we're shooting for. But somebody is in need of mentorship, and you're out there and you're willing to do the mentoring, join one of these chapter pages. Take that person or person's hunting, Take a picture of yourself, send it in to that Facebook page that's associated with the state or regional chapter. Once you've done that, describe the hunt, what was the hunt about, Where did you go? How long? If you do an all day hunt, you accumulate what's called two raffle tickets. If you do a half day hunt or a part of a day hunt, you get one. Over time, each chapter will amass a number of let's say raffle tickets or days in the field, and each chapter will then be able to come to us at the end of the year and say we've counted this many days mentoring in the field, and we will have five awesome prizes, including all types of things we're currently working out. Some chapter leaders had a bunch of good ideas for prizes, but at the end of the year, we'll draw these prizes based on the number of field days total for each chapter will be the number of raffle tickets you get in the hat. So then we will draw raffle tickets out of the hat, and if the chapter is drawn, the top mentor of that chapter will get that prize. So hopefully that's that's a little bit convoluted field. Does that make sense to you? I know this is the first that you're hearing it, so as always, you're my proxy for everyone else listening. No, that's a great idea. Okay, Now we have a reason for being right. We have the general reason that that these chapters are built to mentor people, built to bring in new hunters along the way. As Luke mentioned, we're we're gonna go probably down a million rabbit holes and have all kinds of things to figure out. But but that's the basis. So if you joined one of these Facebook pages, it doesn't take much. If you have to make a Facebook page, just do it. It's fine. Turn off the tracking and the data, don't watch what's that, don't watch the social media dilemma or whatever that. Don't watch that because you won't want to join um. But get in there and join, and then all you gotta do is track your hunting with a new hunter and you'll be entered to win some cool stuff and um, you'll be entered into an awesome program that kind of knows where it's going, but you'll be a part of the beginning of it. Any commentary, Phil official comments, Uh, as an employee of Meeting Incorporated, No, this was I still can't believe this is happening for something that started as a joke about a cult. Um. I got so many messages from people back then saying, please tell Ben to stop with the cult bullshit. Um, but I think it's flowered into something real and uh and you know, just below cult status. So I think we're in. I think we're clear. I think we're in. We're still green. Everything's fine. Um, but it's it's just it's really it's I mean, honestly, it's wild to see this happen. Sometimes I forget the reach of your show, Ben and everything that everything that you've talked about on this podcast throughout the last couple of years. So it's it's cool, It's it's awesome, Okay, Luke anything. Well, Actually, we had some guys get locked out of their pages and stuff for using the cult language, I know came back to bite as finally, So uh, to go back to what you were we were talking about at the beginning, um with you know, the First Family and everything. You've had one guy on the page who said that we should change the name, and then you had another guy on the page who posted a gift of William Wallace yelling hold and said never give in to Facebook. And uh, I would think that the guy who posted a gift of William Wallace would be your the guy you'd want to follow, you know, the leader probably of those fans, not the guy who's just changing the name. Yeah, I'm picking up who that guy might have been. Yeah, I mean you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, listen, I I you know, I'm not gonna let Zuckerberg hold us down if we want to be A cult is just a word. It doesn't have to be. It's a bad connotation, you know, just like air fifteen or trophy hunting. It's just a word. Was a group of crows is called a murder, No one gets at them for that be Yeah, we wouldn't be you know, THHD murder. Yeah, like we're not doing that, So you can be grateful for that's all right, Well listen if you're here for some kind of like you know, in depth conversation about a very important issue. I'm sorry we took a break from that, but we felt like this needed to be addressed, This needed to be explained away, and we need to kind of set a path forward. So what we're gonna do from now on in the show is give weekly updates. We're gonna bring somebody on that's a leader, can ask him what the hell is going on, what they're doing, why they're doing it, um, and where to continue our little field days competition throughout the year. And we'll continue checking in and seeing where this goes. Uh. Eventually we may have to have a lawyer on to give an official statement on behalf of Phil and I. We may I may and be in j I may be jailed and you guys may have to bail me out. You might have to raise money via some sort of Venmo account or something. I don't know. Uh, these are this is just me. I'm just talking out loud. Phil, just talking out loud. Okay, we got anything here? Well, I mean I gotta say this. You say you're just talking this out that that was a lot of detail. It's almost like you've kind of this is premeditated, like like you've you've you've you've run this through your head and you've got some sort of master plan. Unnever you speak on that, please no comment. But every call has a martyr, and Uh, if I gotta go down, I'll go down the swinging alright, Phil, it sounds great. I'll miss you. Alright, Well, say bye to everybody and listen to for the second time in this uh brief episode, Kayla Ray singing the Phil t Engineer memorial theme song. I swear to gay, but I swear to God benefit if if someone plays us at my funeral, I'm gonna be curious. 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