00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey, I'm Eric, I'm Michael, and you're listening. 00:00:04 Speaker 2: To the Element podcast. 00:00:08 Speaker 3: Sorry talk, I didn't know what we talk about, so. 00:00:21 Speaker 1: You got this dude. Thanks ma'am. I appreciate you in your support. What's going on? Everybody? Welcome to the other podcast, brought to you by First Like Gear, I have feasted upon some salted jumbover Ginia peanuts Heinz Brand for a snack. Today, we're talking turkey snacks on the podcast. Now, we're actually going to talk a lot of different stuff, but one thing to address right away is that Tyler is not here. Tyler didn't make the trip. M Turkey Teach, Turkey Teach. 00:00:53 Speaker 4: I really tried to convince him, and he just would not come. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: He kind of wanted to, but then he kind of didn't. 00:00:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll happen. 00:00:59 Speaker 1: He's got some base ball and stuff to coach right now, which I kind of understand. But we have a new voice on the podcast, a smooth, muted sort of voice from Nick Noazalez. Yeah, I feel like. 00:01:19 Speaker 3: You. 00:01:20 Speaker 1: You're talking voices a little quiet, it is, but you probably can sing really good. I bet you belt it out when it comes to singing, don't you. 00:01:27 Speaker 5: I cannot no, I'm not a singer. 00:01:30 Speaker 1: Man. 00:01:30 Speaker 4: He got pumped up when I got that hunt license to Day's. 00:01:35 Speaker 1: I like, we are at Turkey camp. It's pretty cool in the Midwest. You can get a hold of some fairly inexpensive places to stay because there's this thing that's, uh, kind of weird, but essentially, people vacate old houses, either by passing away or moving to the city or or whatever, and then there's like just houses around that nobody stays in. And we were driving around today this one, this one was really nice, and uh, we're staying in this place, but I bet I saw like six that are just unoccupied houses that are like those are pretty nice places to stay, you know. Kind of a weird thing that happens. But we're gonna talk about some turkey stuff here in a second, but we're gonna address a few things off the bat. Oh boy, Michael thinks the world cares about uh State football. It's actually the only thing that will care. He couldn't be further from the truth on that. But we were just discussing a whole lot of football stuff. And Nick has proclaimed that he is a pro football fan, and you started watching pro football abound around what time, around what year? 00:02:53 Speaker 5: The year that some I'm a Green Bay Packers fan. That's where we're getting here. Yeah, so the year that Aaron Rodgers came in, it was about the time that I started really paying attention to football. 00:03:03 Speaker 1: And the year that where Didaron Rodgers go to college? 00:03:07 Speaker 5: Somewhere in California? 00:03:11 Speaker 1: The only good thing to happen in cal The Golden Bears, though, you know, like, it's kind of cool, dude. They had a couple of years right there where they were well, real cool. Aaron Rodgers is a Hall of Fame quarterback. 00:03:21 Speaker 4: That's a good point. 00:03:21 Speaker 5: You know, it's right, Marshawn went there too. 00:03:24 Speaker 1: To me, that's right. Were they on the same team. 00:03:27 Speaker 4: I think the freshman Marshawn's freshman year, I think they're on the same team. 00:03:31 Speaker 1: Listen, the footage of Marshawn driving that car around is one of the coolest things ever. 00:03:37 Speaker 4: He's just sitting there, just lean back, just swerving it. Oh, it's awesome. 00:03:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a cool dude right there. He's pretty neat on an interview too. It's pretty good. But you think that it doesn't matter if Dez caught it or not. 00:03:52 Speaker 5: I don't. I mean, honestly, I think you probably did catch it. But the following year, Rogers only had like I remember, like forty seconds to get down the field and get a touchdown or field goal, And so the year before, whenever it does did catch it, there was like two minutes left, so I think easily he would have went down. 00:04:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a bad man. 00:04:13 Speaker 5: He owned the Cowboys for a while. Yeah, yeah, his whole career. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: Everybody thinks Jerry owns the Cowboys, but now everybody else owns the Cowboys. 00:04:21 Speaker 4: I was playing him that week. 00:04:22 Speaker 1: Yeah the Cowboys. Eric, who is your favorite pro football team? So let me just go ahead and say this thing. Okay, Eric, I give him free reign. Especially in pro sports, you are allowed to just be a fan of whoever's right because it doesn't really matter. Does college There's kind of like some allegiances, especially if you went somewhere or you have family there or whatever. I'm I'm a fan of having like a connection to a college. But I say all I have to say that you don't you spread your fandom around the country a little bit. You may have like ten different jerseys and years depending on. 00:05:03 Speaker 4: Really just around the Midwest. 00:05:04 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know he has like a what baseball? What hat did you get? Rangers? You're kind of a Rangers fan, right, because you got a Rangers hat one time on vacation or something like that. What team was it? 00:05:16 Speaker 4: Longhorns? 00:05:17 Speaker 1: The Longhorns. 00:05:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I started liking Texas. I went to the College World Series when I was a kid, and uh, that was the first hat I bought, was a long horn hat. 00:05:25 Speaker 1: Did you like it because it matched your hair? Or why? Did I. 00:05:31 Speaker 5: Just like the hat? 00:05:32 Speaker 2: It was a black hat with a orange longhorn. 00:05:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, Texas is baseball team. I don't know about him. 00:05:38 Speaker 1: Still have really been keeping up with it. Back then they were Yeah that was Aggie Gee. Oh, I believe he was good. But who's your favorite pro football team? Man? 00:05:47 Speaker 4: Nobody anymore? 00:05:48 Speaker 2: I kind of go like, because it was the Rams in Saint Louis. 00:05:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they ain't there. Where are they even at last? Yeah? 00:05:58 Speaker 2: Then I tried like after that, it just kind of fell out of the NFL, like tried like in the Titans, but never watched them. And recently I said, you know what I'm gonna be ambarrass fan. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: Is that a phenomenon of millennials that millennials all tried to like the Titans. I don't know, look at me. I think it might be Maya's because Vince Young, Steve McNair. Yeah, they were cool. 00:06:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:06:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. But one of the things that's interesting about like sports, especially the Big Ten, like Michael's talking about, and you know the SEC, all of these things are in well we would know's Turkey country. It's like there is a crossover here between like passionate fan bases. Okay, because like you look at and I could be speaking out of place here, so if you're a USC fan, reach out and tell me. But like a good program, but there's not like a huge fan base. I don't feel like at least a passionate fan base across the country or anything. Right, maybe there is there in LA or wherever that is. But you know, whereas like the Big Ten of SEC all that country through there, I mean that is all just just pure Americans, you know what I mean. There's just some people that are just out there hunting turkeys, hunting here and watching football going. That's right, man. So, like, uh, one of the great things about uh college football that everybody always kind of proclaims, especially that you know, me being an SEC fan, it's like the fanfare, like the the festivities that surround it. Yeah, the pageantry. That's the word. That's it. That's it. 00:07:40 Speaker 4: You know, what's up to a bunch of Pat McFee. 00:07:44 Speaker 1: You've you've been dotting that I for a while, you know, So, like there's that going on. And I feel like there's a lot of that with turkey hunting too. Maybe not as much of like the showy thing, but there's a lot of this tradition stuff. There's a lot of this like a way you do it and all that, And I don't want to get too far into the weeds on that stuff because some of it, actually I feel this is a personal opinion. I feel like becomes a barrier to entry for a lot of people because suddenly, like not only is it hard enough to go out there and find a bird and shoot it, but you just have to do it the right or the wrong way otherwise you're not cool. 00:08:18 Speaker 4: It's real overwhelming. 00:08:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, So but I do appreciate like kind of let's just focus on the positive side of that stuff, Like you know, they all kind of look the same, So like there there has to be something to them that still makes them like something that you really want to chase, right, because we didn't decide why pelicans were going to be a thing that we hunted in the spring, you know, so like, uh, you know what is it? We we kind of all have different levels of turkey hunt. Nick being the newest. You heard your first gobble this morning? Yeah? 00:08:53 Speaker 5: Like it? 00:08:54 Speaker 1: Yeah? What it makes you feel like. 00:09:00 Speaker 5: Since you just don't hear that? 00:09:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, not at all. Have you ever seen a turkey I have? 00:09:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, New Mexico. 00:09:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:09:07 Speaker 5: And and here in Missouri deer hunted deer. 00:09:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's try to try it. But as far as like been there for the spring thunder, yeah, I kind of feel like the one this morning was a little anti climactic because a place where staying has a little acres with him and we're allowed to hunt there, but we didn't have licenses yet, so we were just listening. We were we were effectively members of the Autuba Society this morning just listening to them, and which was cool, and I don't know, it actually was like a little bit of a relaxed thing and it was like, oh cool turkeys, And then I looked at Michael, and then I was reminded, Oh, this is driving me crazy. Yeah, and so Eric, you hunted turkeys for the Wall, the most recent member of the Elements to kill a turkey. Tell us about that a little bit. Smoke a Jake. Let's go, dude, Jake and bakes. 00:10:04 Speaker 2: Me and Michael. Uh went to a property that we deer. Are you guys deer hunting this past fall at JP and l A And Uh, there's a lot of turkeys there. No tom though, and we were we weren't there long. We watched four jakes just run around the property together. And since we weren't there very long. UH told Mike, if we get an opportunity at one of these jakes, I'm taking it because I need the meat and shooting things is fun. 00:10:31 Speaker 1: Turkeys get eating. Yeah, So it's uh and y'all called them in and did the whole thing. It's pretty slick. 00:10:36 Speaker 2: We we knew they were going to come into this field at some point, and so we just decided to sit on that field edge all afternoon, I mean five plus hours. 00:10:45 Speaker 1: Oh y'all are there that long? Oh yeah, Jeff phone service right there. 00:10:49 Speaker 4: I don't think we did spotty man, you're just joke like sitting there like, man, there's no turkeys here. 00:10:57 Speaker 2: We were calling it thirty minutes and nothing all day, and they got to a point where the sun started to come down and shining on me. It's like, we gotta do something because if the turkey comes in, I ain't gonna be able to move. So we scooted on the other side of the tree where their shade and repositioned the decoy. In about six thirty I did a box call and just how the hills across the field was those four jakes, and they just came running. Yeah, they came running over the hill, stopped and then it was just doing the head bobbing thing and saw the decoy from a few hundred yards away and they lost their mind. 00:11:32 Speaker 1: Stage. There probably isn't a more willing bird than a rio grand jake is a bird that really wants to come meet when shotgun. 00:11:41 Speaker 4: There's a point they were. They weren't hung up on the fence, but they were just kind of at the fence looking around, and Eric Diaphragm called at him and they got they were there. 00:11:51 Speaker 2: In the next like ten seconds. 00:11:53 Speaker 4: I saw a head go up and then it was just sprint to a gap. 00:11:57 Speaker 1: Is really cool because you're ridiculous hunting in like what's essentially a food plot. It's a wheat field that kind of got halfway planted, but it's all like two foot tall, so it's like, no turkey. 00:12:08 Speaker 4: In the head. 00:12:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's that? Stuff will come out next year. But it's uh, I thought it's pretty cool. That's your second turkey ever to kill, right, Yeah, where you go, Eric, Thanks, Hey you're welcome. I killed Jake this year too. It's okay, man. Yeah, they're tasty little critters, you know, especially I think you know, this kind of goes to this the kind of the negative side of some of the turkey and stuff. But like, shooting Jake could be looked down upon by some folks, but it's within the realm of the law for one thing. And if laws aren't there for some reason, then what are there for? Right, But especially in a rio grand situation like that's uh, the one subspecies of turkey. I believe that just is still doing really good population wise, not really an issue at all. Shoot Jake, what. 00:12:53 Speaker 4: We've seen this year. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're thick, Yeah they are man and they real is the best when you say, Michael, no, no, it's the best. 00:13:01 Speaker 4: I don't talk about the best. 00:13:03 Speaker 1: It's right, you talk about all the time. 00:13:08 Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I think when you look at. 00:13:10 Speaker 1: Whales, was a turkey what subspecies? Look at him? 00:13:15 Speaker 4: He looks mean, he's angry. He hurtles people, dogs. But when you're looking at deer, you don't think the smallest deer the coolest. You think the biggest ones are and that's an Eastern. 00:13:26 Speaker 1: You think the smallest turkey is the coolest. No, I think Easterns. What's the smallest turkey. I think it's really we had this debate. It might be rios, but Ostiella is a pretty small story. 00:13:38 Speaker 4: Yeah they are, they're tall. 00:13:39 Speaker 1: They look big, Yeah, but they're not. 00:13:41 Speaker 4: Matt was telling us about it. It's like they're they just are taller. And I think it's because they got to go through the swamps and just nasty stuff all the time. 00:13:48 Speaker 1: So kind of strange. It is strange your turkey on started at a young age. Yeah, we won't tell that story, but different you're kind of eat up with it. I would say that among the table it would go nick at the bottom, just because of the lack of uh like interaction. We'll get him there, and then Eric and I are probably pretty similar. I might be a little bit like at the moment, a little more hopped up about it than Eric is. I don't know, maybe you know, I'm quiet high. Yeah, that's true, man, So it's kind of hard to say. But then Michael is just like about your two tiers above us as far as just to what level he rages about a turkey. 00:14:26 Speaker 4: Almost just can't handle it literally this morning. 00:14:30 Speaker 1: So last night we got here a little bit late because Michael and Eric pretty much and actually the case, he's always one that's a little bit late. Yeah, right, listen, it takes a long time for my two to five minutes to add up to how yo are estray. But this we decided that we didn't have any birds located, and we didn't have our licenses purchase ship, so we were gonna get up at five fifteen, which is about forty five minutes before sunrise, and we were going to kind of drive and survive, get our licenses and maybe find some birds to just collect data for the upcoming hunt. And that's how we do a lot of our like what you might call buck trucks, you know, which we're not buck trucking. We're turn trucking right now. Truck, Yeah, Tom truck. We have to find something a little bit more fanatical for that. Yeah, we do. If you got a good idea on turkey names for the vehicle, let us know. I'm gonna be thinking about that a little bit myself. I like that kind of stuff. But anyways, it's kind of how we approach a lot of these road trips we do. You're like, the first morning, if we don't have anything like really Surefire's like, let's get out and figure out the landscape in a lot of different ways. And we're gonna do that. But then Mike went out the back door. 00:16:08 Speaker 6: And how I said, all right, guys, I'm gonna go find a turkey, and then went full fledged Michael Flatley throughout the house. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: Which do any you know who that is? Do you know what that is? No? You remember river Dance? It was it was like a it was like a Irish dancing group in the nineties. 00:16:31 Speaker 4: All I was picturing was just the on high stepping into the end zone. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: That's what you were doing, but you were flailing your arms. Yeah, he heard a turkey ran through the living room. While we're getting dressed, went the front door, like where are you going? Are you going out there? So the turkey excitement got I Actually it was a good way to start the hunt. 00:17:00 Speaker 4: Sometimes you gotta get the morale. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: Well, you know, y'all, hopefully you have listened to it. If you haven't, I'd rather you listen to the podcast we did with Scott last week than this one, So go listen to that if you haven't. But we were in Arkansas with Scott and we didn't hear a lot of gobbles, So like to kind of go on another turkey hunt where you hear gobble right away from the house you're staying, it's like a pretty hype moment. 00:17:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, fel good. 00:17:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I like it. But then our day kind of sputtered after that pretty much. It's just that weird thing about turkey hunting that I think we're kind of telling Nick about. It's like the morning you have, like usually you work harder than we did this morning, and then around ten thirty you're like, what do I do the rest of my day? Which, if you have good private maybe that's not the case. But we're hunting public land around here for the most part, we do have like one private permission that we may secure before the day is out, and if so, we're killing a bunch of turkeys there. But the public thing is tough. It seems like how many. So Eric and I drove around together. We saw three or four hunters parked and two at least driving around. 00:18:10 Speaker 4: How many, Jelsey, we saw three parked? 00:18:13 Speaker 1: I don't. 00:18:14 Speaker 4: We didn't see anybody driving, but those three people that were parked doing some good please? 00:18:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we both had the same experience. So we pulled up to this one spot and we're kind of driving down to a turnar turnaround and we see a turkey in the road, Ah turkey, and I think it's a hen. So we drive down there to see it, and then we're like, hey, it's a good spot to kind of get out and call maybe either she has a boyfriend, as Eric said, excuse me, and we didn't hear anything. But as we got out of the car or we were kind of standing there calling, we heard er erd D. Now. I looked at Eric. It'll be in the footage because like I try to look into the camera whenever we do stuff, guys, and sometimes I don't do a great job by that. And this is one of the times I didn't look into the camera. I look at the air out behind the camera. What was it? What was that? Because like that sounds like a turkey, but it's not the right thing. And uh, sure enough we had in the excitement of the turkey siding, we had driven right past a guy's truck about two hundred yards up the road. And that was someone who maybe perceives time at a different pace than I do, because their cadence of their call was a lot slower than what I would do. 00:19:33 Speaker 4: Maybe they got something figured out. 00:19:35 Speaker 1: Maybe they do. There's a chance. 00:19:36 Speaker 4: I don't think I'll be doing it. 00:19:37 Speaker 1: I don't it's super critical. But it didn't sound very good. And y'all had a similar thing. 00:19:42 Speaker 4: Well, we saw I think it was a hint. We couldn't really tell. And I didn't want to go drive by it a bunch, just because I got it marked and I was like, we'll come back later and check if there's a bird here, and then like come around a corner like fifty yards there's a truck right there, and it's like that gummy. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. The first place that I wanted to stop and send out some calls it was like a double corner. It was like I was looking at him on X. I was like, Oh, we're gonna stop right there, and there's a truck parked a right there. Yep, man, they got it figured out. There's some guys around here to know how a turkey hunt and eat. Me trying to figure it out, Nick, where are we gonna kill a turkey where? Well, don't use specific names. Yeah, are we gonna kill him in the trees? We're gonna kill him open pasture? Probably open pasture, you think, yeah, the woodland. Yeah, I'd assume it's a good spot. 00:20:29 Speaker 4: I'm looking at one of those right now. 00:20:30 Speaker 1: Are you you got some spots picked out first for the afternoon? I might, yeah, like some stuff are gonna scout around. We got the boat with us, which is kind of a unique thing. We tried it out some today. I don't know if it's actually effective or not. We're seen. I kinda feel like it's just gonna really be something that gets us places. I don't know if we're gonna be able to locate birds out of the boat or not. We can cover some ground in the boat, though, that is we can, And I think that after driving around it's kind of like, man, there's a lot of folks. So in there we saw some people boating too, but there's a decent amount of fisherman I notice. But you know, the boat doesn't get you away from everybody, but it does take out eighty or ninety percent of the playing field and those guys are all Now. I'm not saying there are people here there that won't work for a turkey, but you know, essentially, no one's gonna walk over mine a half for a turkey because you're probably gonna run into one before you get there. Potentially, and with a boat we can kind of get further back in there. Michael's grinning about something he found, something he likes. 00:21:31 Speaker 4: I found a couple of things that are about a mile and four tenths that I really like. 00:21:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, are you gonna walk there? Are you gonna boat there? Or what's it look like? There's a boat in way for Yeah, that's good. 00:21:42 Speaker 4: We'll talk about that later. 00:21:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well that sounds good to me. It's a it's a it's a different deal because you're kind of loud in the boat, so it's kind of strange. I think what we're gonna have to do is just pull a boat up somewhere and then hike in a ways and just do some hunting and just kind of use a boat to find a remote country, which is fine too. And that Nick and I were talking, I was like, I just really enjoy like incorporating the boat stuff into the hunts. 00:22:07 Speaker 4: Dude, we can put a turkey in the boat. 00:22:14 Speaker 1: Would lose Michael, have we talked about our New Mexico experience at all? 00:22:24 Speaker 4: We haven't. 00:22:25 Speaker 1: I think I don't want to cover the whole thing. But you had an experience in New Mexico turkey hunting that uh kind of stunk for you and for all of us. 00:22:33 Speaker 4: I had too that stunk for me. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: Actually, I don't know if I know. The second one is the first one? Actually, well, I don't know if I know. The one that I don't know. Is it something that's going to be discussed on the podcast. Uh huh Yeah. 00:22:47 Speaker 4: It was just the turkey's coming in and I was self filming, so I couldn't get over on them. 00:22:51 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, camera way. Yeah, that's not something that a normal person will encounter, But that did happen to you, so like you could have killed birds if it wasn't for a camera. 00:23:01 Speaker 4: I don't want to hear about that. 00:23:02 Speaker 1: It's just sad. But the one that I want to talk about is the the shot shots fired, as YouTube would say, that's what we're gonna say. So we went on a turkey death hack death hike one day and uh, I already killed a bird. Micha wasn't killed a bird yet. So we're like trying out a new area and there's a lot of turkeys around, but we're trying to find them. We're trying to hunt them, and we're trying to do it midday because where we'd started out in the morning, we weren't quite on the bird yet. So to make a long story a little shorter, we hike up a mountain, walk along the ridge of the mountain. It's mean mountain. We gained like five hundred feet right like. We went way up and we went to drop down the mountain heard a gobblet like one thirty or something. It was like fairly late in the day, right, Yeah, it was like whoa. And what I've learned from turkey hunting so far is that if you hear a gobble anytime after like ten, it's like brother, it's time. Let's crank up the intensity right now, so we're going to kill those things. So we put our heads together to figure out how to get down to these birds that are gobbling in this little timber patch and within our stalk, we make a loop around to kind of come down and where we won't be as visible. But then the turkeys essentially came to us. There may be in another hunter involved, we don't know for sure, but we heard what may have been a yelp from another hunter down there and he might have spooped him up to us. But I'll let you take over from there and talk about how that encounter went. 00:24:50 Speaker 4: So we're kind of like dropping down into a cut, is what i'd call it, like a It was pretty much clear cut, and we just see or Greg actually who's behind me in Casey sees Turkey's just sprinting. 00:25:05 Speaker 1: Greg pretty good. He creates some stuff he does. I'm Greg. 00:25:09 Speaker 4: Guys, we like to call that's it. So we pretty much are just caught in the wide open and we just sit down and none of us are in a good position, like we're all out in the sun, and these birds just start coming, i mean literally right up the hill at us. So we're sitting there in Casey's like, do you see him? And I'm like looking at a place where I think they're gonna come out, and look to my left and there's a turkey just like high heading looking right at us. 00:25:36 Speaker 1: Not good. 00:25:37 Speaker 4: So I think he takes like a couple of steps. I swing over on him. 00:25:40 Speaker 1: And then. 00:25:42 Speaker 4: When I'm telling you that I have never felt more confident about a shot in my life. I've never felt more confident about a shot in my life. 00:25:48 Speaker 1: How far was that bird? 00:25:49 Speaker 4: Like twenty five, twenty five or thirty? 00:25:51 Speaker 1: Ye? Yeah, it's like well within turkey roll Yeah, I think, like, you know, turkey, you're kind of like deer. It's like if you get over four, art's getting kind of weird. It's still doable. And there's a lot of people with TSS nowadays, which is like that tungsten stuff that you know supposedly holds a better pattern or whatever. They're shooting further than that. I had never done it, but I bet it would be effective. And but all that to say, like this turkey is in like in killing zone. 00:26:19 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, he's not even on the brink. He's like, I feel very confident about the shot shoot, and there are just birds flying absolutely everywhere. I've never seen so many turkeys go flying. 00:26:31 Speaker 1: They had what I would call bird flu and they flew. 00:26:34 Speaker 4: For a long ways. But I run up try to get a second shot at the bird. 00:26:39 Speaker 1: So we realized that he didn't die like flies. 00:26:42 Speaker 4: Like I watched him fly out and like fly out of the country. So I run up and there's another gob down the hill. Try to shoot him. Gun goes click, doesn't go boom. And I at that point I want to throw up. I'm sick to my stomach because I don't know if I've if I missed the turkey with a shotgun. It was when I was real young. Yeah, and I so I missed that turkey. And I'm sitting there and just thinking like, wow, did that even happen? Like I remember the shot in my head still bead was on his head, and Casey brought to my attention. I shot from my back downhill and was like, have you ever done that? Nope, haven't, And I just don't think I got my head down on the gun. 00:27:25 Speaker 1: We were caught like in a bad position, essentially, Michael and I being the hunters in this situation. We were in front and we sat down literally an opening. It's a pretty steep hill, but we just were like we had no cover at all. Yeah, but we were on our backs because it was really steep, Like it was almost steep enough to fall down that hill right there whereose turgies were coming up. And between that and having an aim downhill from your back is a very interesting shotgun angle because a bird you shot in Ioa, which that video is on the YouTube Channe go watch it. If you had Michael shot a bird on public land in Iowa just doing the thing, hunting public being just a dog out there Eric with him. They they they put together a pretty cool thing up there. But you shot that turkey kind of from your back to a similar anger angle. And you can see in the second angle of the footage that the gun is pretty high up on your shoulder. From that, Yeah, it would even have to you'd either have to put the gun even further up on your shoulder or get your head way down for a cheek well yep. 00:28:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, or aim low and hope it goes in the right place. 00:28:35 Speaker 1: You have what kind of sight on that gun? Just a fiber optic front sight. Yeah, man with a with a little bead bead in the middle, which is what I have to have, same gun, and uh. 00:28:47 Speaker 4: But it's got the big old waterfowl barrel on it, which is see no reason. 00:28:54 Speaker 1: And but a good choke, So like you're shooting a good pattern and stuff. And essentially what we think is you shot over the bird, because. 00:29:01 Speaker 4: I feel like I had to have shot over the bird. Like thinking about it, the more I think about it, it's just like, yeah, I didn't get my head down. 00:29:07 Speaker 1: On the gun. Michael, what is it? Would you say that you black out from time to time whenever. 00:29:13 Speaker 4: That instance, I did not, though, Yeah, I I kind of remember aiming at the bird, you know, my Texas bird. 00:29:22 Speaker 1: I didn't really aim. I just waterfowl shot that thing. I believe that works. I mean that's the way you shoot a shot gun. But in turkey hunting a lot of times you do actually aim, and uh, it made a difference in that situation. So I wanted you to tell that story, not to just put you through it or really particulle you, but like it's a thing for people to remember, because I'm noticing that a lot of the country probably is hunting turkeys in steep terrain. It might not be high at elevation, but like there's a chance that you're set up on the side of a holler or a ridge or a whatever they're going to call them further north. And what do you instead of a holler, what do you call that? 00:30:00 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:30:00 Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you call that stuff? A ravine? Around home? You call those ravines? So, uh, you know, you could be in a situation where you're shooting at a bird downhill from pretty much your back. And it's a thing to keep in mind. 00:30:14 Speaker 4: That's why you'll see a lot of guys run red dots turkey hunt. 00:30:17 Speaker 1: Why is that different just because you. 00:30:20 Speaker 4: Gotta get the right red dot. You can't just get have one of them cheap ones. But uh huh, you can pretty much just put the red dot wherever you want it to go, and it'll it'll go there. 00:30:30 Speaker 1: That's called a parallax, I believe. And essentially what you have inside there is a glass lens that is concave that the red dot is a reflecting up onto. So like you can hold a red dot scope, you can hold a gun way out from your body and if you can see the dot, that's where the bullet's gonna hit, you know, depending on you know, range and stuff. But like if you can see the red dot, put it on the target and shoot yep, and that would have worked in that situation. Pretty nice. 00:30:58 Speaker 4: Definitely having some thoughts about the red dot. And I don't know yet. 00:31:03 Speaker 1: We'll see, you know, there's a lot of these. We got a year to tinker as Tyler since he's not here. What else team likes to call him the tenth Legion types that's it. Uh. I made a movie about that. It's called The Fox and the Hand. If you hadn't seen, it's pretty good. 00:31:16 Speaker 4: I'm not a part of this focus. 00:31:21 Speaker 1: You watched what's it called Fox and the Colonel, The Colonel and the Fox, y'all watch that. It was pretty good. 00:31:26 Speaker 4: It was pretty good. It's a pretty good storytelling. I think Steven Spurlock did. 00:31:29 Speaker 1: It pretty good job. Friend of the program, Stephen Spurlock, Yeah, he does pretty good. J he does. Man, he's he has a very creative eye for for videography. But it's kind of interesting that there's certain ways that you should hunt a turkey and in some people's books, but it would seem that there's not a lot of shotgun regulation within that, it's like, let's roll out with the four ten in the bottom lands with the red dot on it and the s S. But you know, it sounds good to be hindikoy and he's got a gobble before you shoot him, you know, on top of your head, and you know, just so you'll know, I'm just kind of poking fun. I don't. I think it's all good times. And if you have a fun way of hunting stuff and you like to do it that way, then that's good. But today we should end this podcast with the story. We're gonna let people behind the scenes of production. We produce videos here at the Element. If you haven't noticed, we put them on the med Eater channel, put on the Element channel. And part of that is why Eric and now Nick are here to help us with this stuff. Uh you'll probably hear and see Nick around from time to time. And uh what I guess, brother, you're a hunting Do you want a hunt or not? Michael used to be helpful. But we run around the boat today and go pros are nice in the boat because and we like to get good creative angles with our go pros. Nick h in his adult life, you have a landscaping business, so you have a trailer behind your truck a lot and I was like, hey, you want to back my boat up, Not that Eric can't, but I was like, will spread the load here a little bit. You know, that's the new guy out. And so Nick backs the boat trailer in. We did a great job rolled the window down, which is a huge part of back in the boat trailer so you can communicate, and uh we got to pull the boat onto the trailer and Eric tell us about it. 00:33:46 Speaker 2: Well, we still had some got pros on the side of the boat. 00:33:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, and what are they connected the boat with the goose necks. Yeah, it's like a like an alligator clamp with a like our articulating neck on it. Good word. 00:34:03 Speaker 2: And yeah, as you pulled the boat onto the trailer, one of the GoPros hit the edge of the trailer. It just knocked us. 00:34:12 Speaker 4: As soon as it was happening, I like looked up. 00:34:18 Speaker 5: Your reactions. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: And we needed that go bro because they had some clips that were pretty key. So yeah, uh yeah, I hopped in the water for the team, got real wet, started feeling around on my feet and this water it's pretty The river is high, so it's muddy. 00:34:40 Speaker 1: It's not clear one bit. 00:34:41 Speaker 2: Not that it would be, but uh, I just started feeling around with my feet and I was not. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: Feeling good about it. 00:34:47 Speaker 2: It's like, dang, his thing's gone. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: We got the dip net out like this one time. 00:34:56 Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, and I wasn't actually sure I had guys. I think I got it, but not really thinking that. Thinking I was gonna pull up another rock, and we pull up the net and go pros in it. 00:35:08 Speaker 1: It was rolling, sure enough. 00:35:10 Speaker 4: It was on, so we lost our. 00:35:14 Speaker 1: It was like we killed it, killed a six bearded tom. 00:35:17 Speaker 4: There was a guy over the boat ram who was like, you guys have way too much fun. 00:35:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a pretty good time. I'm glad that we found the go pro too. I think we're gonna find some gobblers, you know. In fact, that's what we're gonna spend our evening doing, is trying to go around locate some birds. I don't know how successful we're gonna be at that. We might just have to deer hunt these things and just find us some good spots to go, you know's be in the morning or whatever. But I think that one of the things that I would key in on today is that we getting in bed earlier because I just have to have about six hours sleep to function well. I don't want to do a lot less than that I can if I need to. But if we get in bed earlier, it allow us to get up earlier and then everything goes good. So keep that in mind. Guys, when you're hunting, absolutely try to get you some sleep, because you're sharper. When you sleep good, you make good decisions, you can think better. You're less grumpy too. If you're hunting in a group, man, it's like a huge thing. Attitude is a huge thing for even a solo hunt, much less hunting with friends. Right, you don't want to alienate people that you love and say something you didn't mean just because you didn't get good sleep. So remember to do that. Get after them turkeys, and remember this is your element. Live it.