00:00:00 Speaker 1: Of case and I'm excited and you're listening to the Element Podcast. What is going on everybody? This is the Element Podcast. Everybody, Hey. 00:00:23 Speaker 2: Brought to you a first year. Today we have got come at the Core five. 00:00:31 Speaker 3: Let me give. 00:00:33 Speaker 1: Today. 00:00:34 Speaker 2: We are about to throw it down and talk about the most exciting critter there is to hunt in the continental. 00:00:40 Speaker 1: US and possibly the world of the Axis deer. And I'm not being facetious. It's bag of the bone. 00:00:47 Speaker 2: But first I gotta let you in a little something. What we do on the podcast is we have four headphones. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Well that doesn't worry. I'll very good for the Core five. 00:00:59 Speaker 2: So our friend Migaels somehow got the low seat on the totem pole. 00:01:02 Speaker 4: It's almost like the young one always gets the low seat. 00:01:04 Speaker 1: That's it. 00:01:05 Speaker 5: That's it. 00:01:06 Speaker 2: And he's talking on a regular microphone. It's kind of weird. So we're gonna ask you not talk very much. 00:01:16 Speaker 1: So Casey Smith excited, Michael, Greg Latham, Eric Gentry is all. They're all here. Everybody is present. 00:01:29 Speaker 2: Everyone who is here was on an axis hunt this past week and we hunted hogs too, but they wuldn't much talk about it there. 00:01:36 Speaker 1: So we're going right into the actual fun stuff. 00:01:39 Speaker 2: And then our friend jannisld tell Us came down from the North Country down to the little country down here. 00:01:46 Speaker 1: We're not actually in the low country. The low country did part of the country. But I like to joke about that. 00:01:49 Speaker 4: Listen was a little angry that you made fun of me about my accent. 00:01:52 Speaker 1: I told you not to talk so much. 00:01:54 Speaker 4: Well, I'm sorry. Let the people know that was sticking up for me. 00:01:59 Speaker 1: Well good for him him. It didn't do you a lot of good. 00:02:05 Speaker 6: You know, we need to be doing video podcast. 00:02:10 Speaker 2: I get excited about Yannis for a second because Jannie is a tall, tall fella. 00:02:18 Speaker 1: In fact, one time I stood on a curb and uh, it was. 00:02:22 Speaker 2: As tall as Jannis. I kind of liked it, but I noticed. We went to our local Mexican food place, our local techi era, and uh, we all sat down the table, and when Johannis and I sat down, our eyes were level. 00:02:38 Speaker 1: So he got we got the same size torso. 00:02:42 Speaker 5: Because your torso long is his tors so short? 00:02:45 Speaker 2: I think his is short for his overall body size sketch, I think I'm like average leg and torso length, but I don't really know for sure. 00:02:54 Speaker 1: Pretty average guy overall. What about you? 00:02:57 Speaker 2: What's your what is your Torso you have a long tor, show a long legs. I think I'm just fairly normal portional. I mean somehow we wear the same pants though no minor shorter. 00:03:08 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes sizing gets a little weird. 00:03:12 Speaker 2: And uh sometimes if you get one size or just lit too short, and sometimes you get one of us live too long. He's gonna find the right fit for you, right, yep, Yeah, we're excited about all week. 00:03:34 Speaker 1: Tell me about hunting with Yannis. 00:03:37 Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's fun hunting with the honest, but the style of hunting we were doing wasn't maybe the most exciting, but maybe the most rewarding. I don't know. 00:03:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, in what sense was the rewarding? We uh got some shots, that's good, okay, Yeah, so. 00:03:56 Speaker 5: That looking at them, I know what axis oyeballs look like a real good A chameleon. 00:04:05 Speaker 1: They do a weird thing with their eyes. 00:04:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, chameleon eyes. 00:04:10 Speaker 6: Watch like they're looking out of the side, like their side eye at you. And it's like, I don't know, I've never seen the animal do that type of thing. 00:04:18 Speaker 2: I think it was both of those times we saw them do that they were being ruddy, so the axis rut. 00:04:24 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: They they do a thing kind of like elk, which I think is what makes them really really cool. Okay, Like they have antlers kind of like elk. They're they're big for their body size, like and elk is. And they are super vocal, like way more vocal than a white tail at least as far as volume goes. Like, we would be hunting, especially in the morning this time of year, uh, they would be doing what you would call a roar or a scream. 00:04:51 Speaker 1: So people call it the guys were hunting with. Uh, they call it a scream. I think, right, well, I've always called it a rule. 00:04:58 Speaker 5: I called it a bugle several times. 00:05:00 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's hard to not call them bulls and cows. 00:05:03 Speaker 5: I call them bulls almost the whole time. And I was like, I told, I told Bryce Is, like, I'm just gonna call them bulls just see, you. 00:05:09 Speaker 1: Know, and if you haven't figured it out, that's what they are to me. 00:05:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. They're neat because they seem like elk a lot. 00:05:18 Speaker 1: Their herd dynamics are like that, and they they do like a. 00:05:22 Speaker 2: Rut thing where there's like a buck with a harem and that usually happens from like May until August. But access are you unique because they don't come from here, right, They come from India and maybe like some of the close countries, I don't know what the range is exactly what the Indians, uh, maybe I mean any Americans probably since all these were born here, but they uh, they still have some rut stuff going on this time of year. It's it's weird because India subtropical climate and tropical climate depending on where you are in the country, or arctic climate you know, on the north end. But anyway, it's uh, it doesn't have four seasons like a lot of or like it does here where they live in Texas, so it kind of throws their just natural cycles out of whack. So at any point in time throughout the year, you have hardhorn buck, you have shed bucks you've had it, have velvet bucks that are half grown out, and you have velvet bucks that are about to shed their velvet. So there's always a buck roaring somewhere in Texas, which is pretty cool. Now, we saw some of that type action and that what Michael's referring to with those eyeballs is like when they get all like. 00:06:35 Speaker 1: You know, going as we might say, like a rut in the mood. They'll be like doing. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: Elk stuff around, you know, their does or cows as Tyer may call them. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: And uh is that you didn't have a problem with the dose. See I was then opposite. I could call them bucks, but I wanted to call those females cows. 00:06:57 Speaker 4: Well it changed from time to time during it. 00:06:59 Speaker 6: Well you know got and man, yeah exactly, Yeah, that's I got to adapt a little bit. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: That's right. Adaptive provides overcome, right, that's right. So they like do this like thing where they. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: Act like they're looking forward. 00:07:16 Speaker 5: I looked at says at the Marines. 00:07:18 Speaker 7: He goes, but yeah, Steven will be heavy. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: Let's get. 00:07:38 Speaker 2: The uh the bucks, I think they're posturing. I think they're doing a thing where they're showing off their antlers. Black buck do this, I know where they throw their heads back and they look out the side of their eye, the cock their eye over real hard and look at the dough but their heads are facing forward out. 00:07:58 Speaker 1: I want to just lay one in there so to do. And I see that it makes. 00:08:03 Speaker 5: Me just mad them. 00:08:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me get real real excited. 00:08:09 Speaker 2: So Greg, we started with you. Yep, and you're honest, y'all hunted what tactic? 00:08:16 Speaker 3: We did two all day sits at a water. 00:08:20 Speaker 4: Hole Midwest style. 00:08:22 Speaker 5: So you honest did like ten during deer season, didn't he? I don't know he did. Like I think he did like ten all day sis in Wisconsin. 00:08:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think his entire route was all day sits. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: I don't. 00:08:33 Speaker 5: I can't. I can't do one. I can't do one. 00:08:36 Speaker 3: Those first time I've ever done an all days forever. 00:08:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, really he thought you would like it. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not the worst thing, but it gets kind of boring. You have self service, Well that blackout happened the first day and got Yeah, I didn't have I didn't have service till like one o'clock. 00:08:57 Speaker 1: So what'd you do? 00:08:59 Speaker 3: I do ate all my snacks? 00:09:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, when you're bored, snack eating isn't like the thing you eat slower and you're like you're like, instead of just ripping a package open, you're like, I'm just gonna tear this perfect corner right here. 00:09:17 Speaker 2: You know, you ever do that thing guys talk about where you're like, I'm just gonna eat a corner my sandwich, and then you start and you're like, I'm just gonna be half of it, and then by the time you're done. 00:09:24 Speaker 1: It's all gone. I don't sandwich. 00:09:27 Speaker 3: I just filmed this one mesquite tree for like the eightieth time and just kept doing Baby. 00:09:35 Speaker 1: How many birds did y'all log? How many species of birds? 00:09:38 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:09:39 Speaker 3: Joannis was pulling up an app that was, you know, going through the sounds of birds, and any given time it'd be like five different birds. 00:09:47 Speaker 5: There's a lot of cool bird sounds on that trip. 00:09:49 Speaker 2: I saw some black throad sparrows, which are one of my favorites to see. And then I think we saw paralexia sitting at so imagine a cardinal, but a Mexican cardinal. I think that's what they might have been called for a long time. And so they they look like a cardinal with their crest is longer. But even the males look like females. They have like a little bit more modeled. 00:10:15 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:10:15 Speaker 5: They're getting with the times, aren't they. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: They they've been there, you know what I'm saying. But they have like a oranger beak. 00:10:23 Speaker 5: Michael, yes, sir, are you gonna grow that facial hair? Out during Turkey season. 00:10:28 Speaker 4: Uh Turkey Turkey beard or whatever? 00:10:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, what's your what you're playing for your hair during Turkey season? All your hairs, We're gonna leave it all. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: You're gonna look like a. 00:10:36 Speaker 5: Predator out there, So you're gonna you're not gonna cut until after Turkey season. Okay, sorry cutting the axis talk. 00:10:42 Speaker 4: But unless you really want to mull it. 00:10:44 Speaker 5: I just knew Michael was Sean is a mustache right then? And whatever you Mike in the middle, he uh, he's gonna be probably gone for like forty five days during Turkey season. 00:10:55 Speaker 4: I can't wait. 00:10:57 Speaker 5: I cannot wait, y'all if you're interested in Turkey hunting and fall, because Michael is going to be just mister vlog master. 00:11:02 Speaker 1: Man blog master in general. 00:11:05 Speaker 2: Hey Tyler, Yeah, what was your intention in going access hunting this week? 00:11:13 Speaker 5: Tough question? I mean it's kind of vague, but uh, we. 00:11:18 Speaker 2: Mean, let me do something different to you, Tyler, what was your intention in going acces hunting this past week? 00:11:24 Speaker 1: What do you think your most exciting experience was. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: How do you feel like you're set up for access hunting work and do you feel like you had. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: The right camera on my goal if that's what you're asking with intention. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: I am being Pat McAfee and you were being saving. 00:11:40 Speaker 1: So you just hear what I say. 00:11:45 Speaker 5: Let me just put that biscuit in my mouth. I mean, if you mean goal by intention, because my intention and goal not be different things. But I'm thinking goal it was to kill an access to here a buck, big buck? Mm hmm. 00:12:01 Speaker 1: Did you have a plan. 00:12:05 Speaker 5: Like on how to kill one? Shoot it behind the shoulder. That's about it. But I think that you know they're they're bow hunting axis is difficult. Bo want anything's pretty difficult. Bow hunting axis deer is also really difficult, because you talked about it. But they're gregarious, they're a herd animal and they like each other and this time of the year like they I mean, you know, in other words, I don't want to stuff on your feet too much. But you might have called about six thousand axis in and we talked about that a little bit. So they like each other, I think. But the the that herd nature can make it really difficult to get into the mix and get them killed unless you're doing stand hunting. But they're super they're super like kind of antsy, almost high strung, a little bit. I don't want to make these things out to be any more difficult than a white tail deer, because I don't think that that's it. I think they're just different than a white tail deer. 00:13:14 Speaker 2: You also have a lot more experience hunting white tail deer. Yeah, and they are not white tail deer. No, they behave a lot different than a one, for sure. 00:13:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, I like it a lot the but they but because they're kind of antsy, it makes stand hunting tough too, because they don't they're they're probably a lot like white tail bucks, especially where they don't like a lot of stuff going on in the area. So stand hunting them if there's been somebody running a camera in there recently, or putting batteries or throwing corn out or whatever might have been in that area, or building a stand even, I think you run into a deal where like, uh, they learned quick that they don't want to be in that area at least for the next few days or what we. 00:14:03 Speaker 1: Have right now kind of too motivating factors. That's food and water. There's not a ton of rut going on. Yeah, so like they can get that at many times of. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: The day, you know, and they don't have any Like one of the big issues that people will like to present about access deeers that they are non natives, so and they on an animal to animal basis, can out compete a whitetail deer for resources if resources are limited. 00:14:30 Speaker 5: I think if they can, I think that that would be because of body weight size more than anything. 00:14:35 Speaker 1: It's very possible. 00:14:36 Speaker 5: But they if they were in deer country that was north, I don't think they would do the same the case. 00:14:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, but resources in one of the most lush areas of Texas are not hardly ever limited. 00:14:49 Speaker 5: Yeah, so especially on the place we hunted, which is a huge, huge place that had tons of water on it. 00:14:55 Speaker 2: Lofense place too, which is really neat because a lot of times people think about exotics the high fences, and you know, for a good reason, because a lot of people would like to keep their valuable animals within a restricted area. But axis have naturalized in this part of the state and have been that way since the late fifties. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: I think, right thirty. 00:15:14 Speaker 5: Two, I saw a lot of people say and a lot of different articles saying thirty two was the first year as when the Wyo brought axis over it. I don't know if it was a Wyo thing or not. I didn't see that for sure. 00:15:24 Speaker 2: So they have been here for a while, almost one hundred years now wild right, but they roam free out in that country. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: It's just free as. 00:15:35 Speaker 2: The wind blows, right, and since there's an overadequate amount of resources, they can just say, I'm going to drink that water later, which is weird. 00:15:49 Speaker 1: We saw them do that, like you think. 00:15:51 Speaker 2: That like a deer that is like thirsty enough to go to a water source is like I have to drink water. 00:15:59 Speaker 1: But no, we saw them them in to food. 00:16:01 Speaker 2: And water a couple of times and just be like it's a little weird. 00:16:05 Speaker 5: I'm just leaving and they're looking for something to mess up. Like first night we were sitting in these live oaks, me and Eric and bulletproof set up. Wind was great, like wind was blowing hard. I feel like I could have done a jumping jack and got away with it. Probably, Yeah, And a group of tendo's comes in right for dark and never ended up eating. But I don't think they left either, So just hang hung out in the brush fifty yards from the from the feeder, and I think that that like that's that's I think they learned that those feeders are at least have some man made goings on happening in some way because people come in and feed or hunt there or whatever it might be. And I think that that makes them really cautious around those places. The one thing that I noticed also, I think and so I hunted with a guy named Bryce, and you hunted with a guy named Austin, so you'll hear us talk about them here. 00:17:07 Speaker 1: Our friends. 00:17:08 Speaker 2: They have an outfit down there called t O Outfitters. We'd be remiss to not mention them, and they do a great job, top notch. 00:17:14 Speaker 5: They don't really do bow hunting stuff too much, but thankfully they allowed us to do some. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: If you want to kill a big axss with a gun, they are the people to do it. 00:17:23 Speaker 5: Yeah, So anyway, they Bryce was telling me, you know, we were talking about all kinds of different stuff, and I learned a ton on this trip from him. But one thing I noticed is that I thought that that in a herd, in a big herd, that the axis like were it's almost like they let their guard down because they're relying on the other forty axes or whatever to see the problem. You know that's coming in on whatever's stalking them, so they let their their their guard down a little bit and they get real comfortable. And there's also this thing where like movement can can be like you know, if they were to see you moving forty yards away, they might just kind of almost let it go because it's like, oh, well, things are moving all over the place because they have this pace. I noticed this. We did have one of those ten axes come in and feed for you know, ten minutes while we were there at the end of shooting light or into dark. It's those no really end the shooting light for axis, but at the end in the dark, it fed around with these white tails and it moved like twice as fast feeding as the white. 00:18:28 Speaker 1: Tails did they almost like what pigs do. 00:18:30 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, they just just onettle bag and one little bit, one little bite, moving fast, you know. And so do you think that is? I think it is because they have natural from where they're from originally, there's this instinctual thing that they have a huge predator being in a Bengal tiger that like if they move around a lot a they have spot which are supposed to be like kind of disorienting for the predator, so that spots within different cover and stuff might disoriented predator. Also, a tiger is supposedly never attack something unless it can see that it's the back of its head like in other words, attacks from behind, sneak attack, and if it sees eyes, it won't attack. And so that's like why some of the natives in that country historically have worn masks on the back of their heads when they're working and stuff. 00:19:28 Speaker 2: We're looking at a neil guy, uh huh on your wall, we can't see this part of him. But if you look at a new guy from behind, the back of his ears have one white spot on each year that is pretty much an eye spot. 00:19:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like I yeah, it's kind of from any thing. 00:19:43 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the axis I think move around a lot to disorient the predator. And also so that like this is all probably instinctual, right, but like the ones that move around a lot may not get eaten as much because their head is facing away or only facing away from that tiger a short amount of time, I guess, So it makes them, it makes them difficult, and also like it makes them they're antsy around feeders, like and they jump strings real bad in those situations, I think a lot. But like in if you're stalking them in that big herd, you can get away with a few things. Sometimes. The problem with the country we're stalking them in is there's lots of cedars and they're like, I don't know if this is a goat browse line or what, but they're like thin underneath. So if you were to see you can't see them those axes at eighty yards, but they can see your feet coming through. So that was like a big challenge in the in the stalking situations, and I did a little bit and you did. Of we hung in saddles. We were in some tripods and we were ground lines and the saddle thing would work, oh for sure. So this was a learning experience, y'all. 00:20:57 Speaker 2: If y'all are listeners of The Element or watch our YouTube channel, which if you're listening, don't watch man, you missing out. 00:21:06 Speaker 1: But anyways, you know that we've hunted Access a few times. 00:21:10 Speaker 2: This is the third time I've had a weapon in my hand around Access. 00:21:14 Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time around them, but I learned more on this trip than I ever have. 00:21:21 Speaker 2: And it's a principle that we talk about with whitetail a whole lot, like if you hunt East. 00:21:25 Speaker 1: Texas kind of where we're from, Especially. 00:21:29 Speaker 2: If you don't hunt deer feeders like you hunt public land, you may only encounter three deer all year long. 00:21:35 Speaker 1: You don't get to learn a whole lot from three deer. 00:21:39 Speaker 2: On this trip, there was such a heavy population of axis that you were at least around them the whole time. You may not see them, but you can hear them and you I mean, there wasn't a day that went by I didn't see an axis. And so between that being on a large property, understanding herd dynamics and seeing sign like I learned so much more about like what they are doing on a daily basis and how they're interacting together. And by learning all that stuff, like I now feel like if I got four days to go hunt access with a bow, I could go sit in a couple of trees and a couple they're not really pinch points, but they're like transition areas that the deer just used to get it from like bed to feed or bed to water, which I think water's more powerful than feed is with access which is very neat. Our friend Tony would be real hip about that. Yeah, and so like I there's especially one tree, Michael, you. 00:22:35 Speaker 1: Know it's what I'm talking about. That's a killing that tree right there is a bat of the bone tree. 00:22:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've noticed that. I feel like that I saw more access drinking by far from water than white tails. 00:22:49 Speaker 1: Yeah. We never had a white toap underwater? 00:22:51 Speaker 5: Yeap? Did we? Did we? I don't think we hunted closer to the house there or whatever. 00:22:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, you cred a couple white tails drink water? 00:22:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, we're over there in the uh doctor do honey hole. 00:23:04 Speaker 1: The honey hole were just all the game work, not to mention access. 00:23:08 Speaker 5: Deer can drink a lot of water. 00:23:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you notice that. 00:23:11 Speaker 2: I don't remember what Cliper were watching, but there's one of them that just kept drinking and drinking. Funny enough, we never got to see one drink water. They just looked at it. Yeah. 00:23:21 Speaker 5: I feel like overall though, most of the most of the deer didn't drink very much water, even though they could. Like I was prepared. I was hunting a trough at one point, and I had a pretty much a shot to the trough out of this live oacause of a saddle and I was prepared to shoot very quickly because I thought, like a lot of times I was seeing footage from Jannie's hunt with Greg where they would come in and they're drink and then they would just go and it was quick. We allso had a goat come in and drink a couple of times, and he was super quick about it too most times. So both times. But I think like that's one thing. If you're hunting the water, you know, you got to be ready to make the shot as soon as that deer is drinking water, because you know it's either going to turn out and not give you a shot, or turn out and give you a shot and then be gone. 00:24:10 Speaker 2: Man, I think it's sketchy shooting one while it's drinking water. 00:24:13 Speaker 5: Do you there? 00:24:14 Speaker 1: For one? Is the crocodile thing going on? 00:24:17 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:24:17 Speaker 2: You know, so like they feel like they're very like about seventeen yards. Yeah, probably you're good there, golly, seventeen yards oh man, the back of the trough was nineteen. But you know, say, like those ponds i'd call a pool with pond situations that we're in, Like when you set up on the edge of one, you're automatically taking at least a thirty yard shot, and so thirty yards is jumping distance for sure. Access in my opinion, are a tad jumpier than whitetails. And that head is down and they're already feeling like they're exposed because they're drinking water just out in the open. It's like a recipe for disaster as far as having a deer jumping stuff on you. So, like, I think that having a deer with his head up would be a much more advantageous situation. But like you're saying, seventeen yards, if he does the thing, he's dead. 00:25:12 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean I I had a lot of fun on the trip, man, Like I told Bryce, I'm like, man, I'm pretty much an addict at this point. 00:25:42 Speaker 5: Like I gotta find I gotta find a way to hunt these things. Often. One thing we're working on is figuring out what they're saying to each other and how we can talk to him to our advantage. 00:25:55 Speaker 1: Hey, because it's like to do little song that we should learn. That would be cool. 00:26:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like the old product, not the Eddie Murphy one, but the old doctor do little it's like talk to the animals or something like that. 00:26:10 Speaker 5: Michael remembers it too. 00:26:11 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:12 Speaker 4: Even Eddie Murphy is, yes, I do get out of here. 00:26:15 Speaker 1: What's the I can't give you? 00:26:17 Speaker 5: Slubber? 00:26:18 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, that's right. 00:26:20 Speaker 5: Slumber slumber. Oh my goodness, the nutty Professor. 00:26:26 Speaker 4: I've never seen it, heard of it. 00:26:28 Speaker 1: What was the other one? 00:26:29 Speaker 5: Eric? 00:26:29 Speaker 1: You know, you know you're the movie guy. It was like or something. 00:26:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, well, anyways, we're yeah, so that, I mean, we're we're we're working on that kind of stuff and uh we we ended up using uh. 00:26:47 Speaker 5: The Phelps easy Sucker, and there's a suggestion of Bryce and there was definitely an effect to it. I can go into that love kind of just my last home out there. We didn't really have a whole lot of great hunts, but we did stalk a couple of times, and I had chances to shoot. We had a couple of chances to shoot Big Bucks, though. One one was on a stalk where Eric and I got we're getting in on some bucks. We're in the middle of cedars and uh, they do this thing, access do this thing that Bryce and Austin call lining out And I never heard this really well. Bryce calls it lining out, and I thought it made perfect sense. So when they get ready to go somewhere, they turned from a big like interactive herd into a line of animals that follow each other down. And so as we're stalking in on these bucks, it's a big group of bucks. They're under these live oak mott this live oak mot in the shade in the middle day is hot. We work our way into these things, me and Eric do and Bryce is kind of hanging back. And so in the middle East seaters and I look through the gap ahead of me and a toad comes walking out on this pace that's like a line out pace. It's like not a pace that is like, oh, I'm just coming out and making a circle. I'm going to go back into the live It's like I'm relocating my bedding to the next live oak mad or the next seater or whatever. And so I'm like, I range him. By the time I get a arrange that I trust on him, he was out in the opening, the small opening. 00:28:28 Speaker 1: I had sixty three yards. 00:28:29 Speaker 5: I was like, man, I really don't want to shoot a sixty three yard or you know right now, because I got there's bucks in here. But if they're going to line out, I got to move up and I can. I feel like I can move up like seven or eight yards to this last seater in the gap and then have a fifty five yarder or whatever or less to shoot if they all line out. So I walk up and about the time I'm almost there, I increased my pace right because I'm thinking it's fixing to happen. I got to do this before they get out of here. Well, apparently there was a deer like twenty five yards and they bark. 00:29:03 Speaker 1: Y'all don't have that one lined out? 00:29:05 Speaker 5: No, they bark, and I don't know if they were going to line out or not at that point when I when I you know, when I thought about it, but it looked like that was what's fixing to happen to me is that dude just started walking and walked thirty yards before he got out of my sight. 00:29:19 Speaker 1: So on that bark they took out. 00:29:21 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that when that when that one barked twenty five yards, it was like, wow, you could hear them just take off in the brush like crutz. So we like swing way around and and we go all the way back. We work all the way back into the wind to where they were headed. Bryce said, seen him walking out. He said they weren't that spook because he started using that phelps easysucker and then he makes this kind of like higher pitched, shorter noise, real quiet, and that's what the axis does sound like. So they all calmed down immediately and start lining out. At that point, well, we work way around into them. They hadn't gone one hundred yards. I mean like twenty five minutes later, the hadn't gone hundred yards. But we gave up on them because we were like, well, there's the trees right there. There were eighty yards from the trees. We just went you know too or whatever. We walked around this corner and start walking up this hill and we had given up finally, you know, the still hunting focused thing, and there they were. Bust them out, and that was about the time that Jannis called. Were at one point thirty and there was some success, which I'll let you talk about here in a second, Greg. But the next day, the next morning we had a morning before we had to leave. We end up getting We went into a hole and this is one thing I saw is that you could look at these this ranch and you could see the roads, and if you could find a place that was several hundred yards inside interior road. There wasn't any feeders or anything around where people aren't making noise, there's probably gonna be smacks there well. The two evenings before, Eric and I had heard a bull calling backing towards that hole both evenings, and we saw him the second evening and I thought we were fixing to kill him because but he came out with like, I'm not kidding, like thirty five dos. I mean a big group, and he was the only bull we saw, so anyway, didn't kill him. Next morning, I was telling Bryce's like, man, is this hole right here? I think they're going back and bedding in here. So let's come in and from the road side into the wind and see if we can hear him. Sure enough, he's in there, just bugling, and we were like getting excited. It was kind of quiet at first. Wind picked up work our way in, and I mean we get into the mix and there's Dose all over the place. We can see him. He's running and snooping them and stuff, and so Eric and I like crawl another twenty yards and get on the edge of the cedar and there's a good gap and then an oak mod over here, and I could see him through the tree, dude, and he's just just standing there looking the other way. And so we sit up on the edge and I'm thinking he's gonna come walk them back in a little bit, or something's gonna happen. We'll get a chance to walk around the seat a little more. So we set up on my knees. All of a sudden, long story short eight doors work into this opening out in front of me at forty five yards forty to forty five yards. At one point they're all standing there and I'm like, he's gonna come through these doughs for sure. Never did they start getting closer. Thirty five and they split and two of them go around the seed or to our right, and when they come out, they're at fifteen coming closer, and one of them walks to ten yards and just loses it whenever she I mean, she's like zombie walking looking at grass in front of her, and all of a sudden just like wakes up and we're there at ten yards, not moving, but you know, bumps in the woods, and she wow takes. 00:32:46 Speaker 2: Off the weird hell like And almost all game animals have some level of just whatever the distance is for that species they perceive you. Yeah, wait till we had a while till like come running at us, not running from us. And when it got to about thirty yards, we were standing still in the shade, and that deer just like knew we were there. It was something about the way we were shaped or whatever, even in the shade than bright sunny day, you know. Axis, I think you're right, it's a little bit less than that. A pig even might even be less than that, you know, And it's just kind of strange how like you you. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: Just cannot get away with it, you know. 00:33:27 Speaker 5: I feel like and I feel like that sunny conditions are worse than cloudy conditions for that stuff, because I feel like there's something too, a very dark, filled in shadow that they don't see in nature. 00:33:40 Speaker 1: You know. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: What I do like about sunny conditions is the about eight thirty to eleven time period, maybe eight thirty to ten time period, especially where say you got like a south wind or a west wind and you can stalk into the wind with the sun at your back. 00:33:57 Speaker 1: Dude, they could not see you. 00:34:00 Speaker 2: I mean they could if you like did something stupid, but like you get away with so much with the sun in their eyes, and it was nice to have enough ground to be able to like position yourself in those situations. 00:34:11 Speaker 1: Yep. 00:34:12 Speaker 5: But anyway, this this dough flips out and they all kind of take awful. My knees, my legs are asleep from the knee down, and so yeah, I stand up and I turn around and Bryce is back there at like thirty forty yards and he's like, he's like bull. He gives me the hand signal bull thirty yards and I'm like, oho, snamp, you know, we got this. 00:34:35 Speaker 1: Big seater right in front of us. 00:34:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he hits the call a couple of times, and he said that bull went from looking around you could see his rack looking around in there, to all of a sudden it just went down like almost like feeding again or just relaxed. And so we finally are able. He was like, all right, come here. You know, after a couple of minutes we walk over to him. He's like they lined out and just walked real slow that way, and so we made a loop real fast. I was like, because we're running out of time, got we're gonna leave it like eleven or something like that, you know, So we loop around and we walk. We walk around this. I walk around the seedar and I see I see them. They're lined out on this trail. I can only see a small gap and I see one dough. So I try to like square up because I got I gotta turn a one eighty to square up to get a shot. As soon as I do, I step on a cactus and it's a dead cactus, which is one of the loudest things out there. And she looks and I'm like, don't move, don't move. So she kind of gets nervous. She kind of runs off, jogs off or whatever. And so I range where she was at and the plant behind her was sixty three and I was like, oh man, it's pretty long, but I was like, she's probably sixty. So I crank at the sixty and another dough comes through. I clip on and I see antlers coming through the seeds, and I told her, I said caw, and he called twice and as the deer's coming out, and it didn't stop, and so he hits it pretty hard. The deer stops and looks and it's perfect in the gap. It looks like to me, at least, I mean he's in the gap that I can see and you when you when you go to shoot this shot, you focus on burning a hole through the animal. So I'm like focused on I'm thinking heart, That's what I'm shooting at. So I put it where I think his heart is and it finally locks in. It's not moving, and I pull the trigger and it looks like it's going great, and I think that it hits a limb right before it gets to him. It turns out it was a different limb that it hit it. But it hit yeah, I may have. I never hit a ceedar. Yeah, I couldn't believe it hit that seater, but it did. And uh it helicopter right underneath him and never never got never never hit him or anything, and never got to kill an Axis on this trip. So that's kind of the extent of my story. 00:36:55 Speaker 1: I know the feeling. 00:36:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, But I learned a lot, man. I learned a lot about Axis, about their calls because he bugled when we were in there close. And then you know, learned a lot about kind of their habits and those kind of things. And I really am like this is a thing for me, dude, Like I'm going to try to find a way every chance I get to go hunt some Access deer and try to call at them and stalk them and do whatever I gotta do to finally put put something, you know, put an arrow through one. 00:37:22 Speaker 2: So well you mentioned that, Uh you got a call, Yeah, yeah, Greg Jonathan Johns. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: The podcast. 00:37:33 Speaker 2: Johannis isn't here to tell his story, so, you know, without giving too much flair to it, just tell us, tell us what's going on over there. 00:37:41 Speaker 3: We uh, you know, we did two all day sets and that was the first time I've ever done that. But uh, it's it's hard to mentally prepare yourself for that because you don't know what time they're going to show up. Yeah, that's rough, Like you're like, you're hoping it happens at eight thirty in the morning like normal. 00:37:59 Speaker 5: But I feel like Access are kind of like a little more is it whatever, diurnal diron. They're a little more like that than white tails. 00:38:08 Speaker 2: They're not as crepuscular, you might say. I think they do stuff all day twenty four our period. I also noticed that white tails, it seems to me they bed for three hours and then get up. Access is more like an hour. 00:38:20 Speaker 5: Like they move around, they do, they do a lot. 00:38:22 Speaker 3: Of stuff during the daytime. But yeah, it's hard to melly prepare yourself when you don't know when they're going to show up. And the first of all day said they you know, we saw access about seven forty five, and we saw them at about four thirty, kind of the normal hunting time. 00:38:38 Speaker 1: I had a taco. 00:38:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, could have went home, but the first set we had a ton of Access just pour in at like four point thirty, and uh, Johannis ends a missing high and it doesn't work out in the first set, but we end up going back there and uh again we're waiting and luckily it happened a lot earlier the second the second sit and uh, they started pouring in there. I just gosh, I just looked up and just saw giant access a line of giant accesses. 00:39:19 Speaker 1: But you took one bite out of your tree, right, Yeah? 00:39:23 Speaker 7: I had. 00:39:23 Speaker 3: I had a little uh snack bar, and I just like, you know, it was looking down. I just took like one bite and I look up and saw like thirty axes in front of me. I just dropped it on the ground and didn't get to finish my snack. 00:39:37 Speaker 1: But yeah, uh and and uh. 00:39:41 Speaker 3: Joannis shot one of the biggest access deer of all time. 00:39:44 Speaker 1: Man, have we posted the picture of that deer? 00:39:50 Speaker 5: I don't think so. So Well, by the time this comes out, well, yeah, that's what. 00:39:55 Speaker 3: It's on the internet. 00:39:56 Speaker 1: It is on the internet. Uh, you can go find it. It's it's a big dog. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: And we'll let Yannis tell that story through the video later. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: But it's very cool, very interesting. It is one of the biggest al time killed with Archie. 00:40:09 Speaker 2: Y'all filmed a video about the special blind that y'all were in that you might be able to see that at some point in time as well. 00:40:16 Speaker 1: It's pretty unique little hide and spot. 00:40:18 Speaker 3: Janni's just posted a netcrop seed of the Oh. 00:40:21 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that yet, Okay, cool? Yeah, I know, dude, trying to get that flag. 00:40:27 Speaker 2: So and then we also recorded a video about our broadhead setups and kind of what led sorry our arrow setups, which include broadheads, what led us to where we're at between Tyler and Joannis and I I'm. 00:40:44 Speaker 1: Not sure where that lands. 00:40:45 Speaker 2: We might release that closer to deer season, might at least sometime soon. 00:40:50 Speaker 1: We're just gonna leave y'all hanging on that one. I kinda like it. 00:40:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think it'll be good. 00:40:58 Speaker 1: So that's kind of kind of what we filmed while we were down there. 00:41:03 Speaker 2: There'll be some hunts from Tyler and I and I'm going to give you a little bit of some of the exciting stuff that happened to me. 00:41:09 Speaker 5: There's already one on there is YouTube. 00:41:11 Speaker 1: Y'all should go watch that if you haven't. 00:41:14 Speaker 2: It's Tyler kind of talking out his process of spotting stalk. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: And then at the end of it, I. 00:41:21 Speaker 2: I take a shot at an access though that just doesn't do the thing that they're supposed to do, and let's jump a string. 00:41:26 Speaker 5: So I, mister low I felt like they, for whatever reason, they were a lot less jumpy this go around on string jump than they were in the past that we've hunted them. It's weird. 00:41:37 Speaker 2: There's I think that just every situation is different. You can't just paint a broad stroke. And I've got some some thoughts on that. We might need to do a podcast on string jump in the aiming process. 00:41:48 Speaker 5: Sometimes soon's let's go. If y'all have a question to send them to us on Instagram or. 00:41:54 Speaker 4: So. 00:41:55 Speaker 1: Whenever I was hunting. 00:41:58 Speaker 2: Our friends down there, have a thought about, like the way to do things archery wise, and it works, but it's very conservative. 00:42:08 Speaker 1: I'm never very conservative, right, guys, y'all know me, But now, yeah, that's it. I'm kind of joking. 00:42:14 Speaker 2: But I do take a lot of risks in the hunting woods, chase stuff around. 00:42:19 Speaker 1: And Tyler's a lot like that too, you know what. 00:42:21 Speaker 2: We just kind of have a get it done type of mentality, and sitting and waiting on deer that may or may not show up in daylight is kind of tough but proves to work. So I kind of have two different instances I want to tell you about. 00:42:34 Speaker 1: They were very vocal in the mornings. 00:42:36 Speaker 2: Is that what everybody kind of noticed some of the evening, but very much more in the in. 00:42:39 Speaker 5: The mornings, right, this kind of a shut it down about time they go to bed. 00:42:42 Speaker 2: I feel out and I think that that was or our buddies think that has a lot to do with the moon. And I could see that. I'm not a mooner per se, but I used to be. 00:42:54 Speaker 1: I think I'm a. 00:42:55 Speaker 2: Mooner in the sense is like the concept of the brighter at night thing, like I'm on bold with that. I can tell in the Elk Woods in September, like I don't want to hunt during the full moon because they just party all night, sleep all day. And we were there for the full moon during the access hunt. 00:43:14 Speaker 1: So we're sitting there in the mornings for a. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: Few days and they're just just all over the place and we're just kind of sitting in a tree, just kind of waiting on them to come by, and it doesn't really ever happen, and we're like, we have got to go chase these things around. So that is the thought I'm going to leave with a story about that. But before that, sitting water works for access, we found that out, like you had access close at water, they didn't come drink it. 00:43:46 Speaker 1: Did you have access another time? Come drink water? That's right, that's right. Last and then y'all killed over water. 00:43:55 Speaker 5: Two bulls come in but they were too late, right, well, no, they they're One of them was real young buck, so it's thin and kind of short, and the other wood was a velvet that was. 00:44:08 Speaker 1: About balled up at his coddles. 00:44:11 Speaker 5: Mhmm. 00:44:12 Speaker 2: They both drank and so, uh, there's like a management practice on the on the place that we're on. It's not just depredation style hunting, you know, like you would be for pigs and other places we hunt. You know, they're trying to shoot mature bucks. So we respected that. Didn't shoot anything besides that, and well I shot it at some. 00:44:29 Speaker 1: Dose, which we had the okay for. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: But sitting water and evening works, sitting water, midday works. Apparently we were running military mobile cameras out there some. 00:44:41 Speaker 1: And that was kind of what we were seeing. They had water some in the morning, some midday, and. 00:44:46 Speaker 2: Then almost exclusive, not exclusive, but often in the evenings. 00:44:51 Speaker 1: And we set water to evenings in a row. 00:44:53 Speaker 2: Actually every evening set water, but we changed positions to a place that you had hunted. 00:44:58 Speaker 1: Stole it from you and thanks Austin. Yep, wasn't my call. 00:45:03 Speaker 5: So I told Bryce wanted to hunt it. I don't know. They probably talked and they're like, man, I think Casey's gonna have very trins killing over there. 00:45:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think what happened was the wind. 00:45:13 Speaker 2: It was weird because the wind moved around every day, which in our minds is public landhunters. That's awesome because you get to get new stuff every day. They were thinking like, oh man, all of our setups are for south winds because they hunt them in the summer most of the time, and so like the north wind days, they had a difficult time. 00:45:27 Speaker 5: Can I butt in yep? Can you remember what you were saying right there? I think this is one thing that they don't They don't like I said, they don't really bow hunt a whole lot. And I think this is one thing that you and I kind of I'm not man, I don't want I don't know how to say this without sounding pompous. I don't really want to sound that way. But a lot of people think about this this way. Here's a feeder and we got a south wind, so let's put our blind on the north side, right, And the way you and I think about things, and I think it's I'm not I'm not saying it's just it comes from experience because we've had to have killed public land white tails that have been really tough to kill over years, and we've been able to do a few times. And I think that what we tend to gravitate more too, is how can we back off of that thing just to touch because a lot of times, even if you're on the north side of that thing on a south wind, they're going to come around and wind you right because you're sitting thirty yards from the pond or whatever. So we end up a lot of times in these in these in these areas will hunt like a crosswind on a trail leading to an agg food source or to a pond or something like that, or even just hunting off of that pond or whatever it is, you know, one hundred yards, so that when the deer circles down wind, it comes in front of you and it doesn't ever get your wind. And so I think like a couple of times, there were there were times that I think you and I were thinking that something would work that they probably weren't perceiving as something being something that would work, you know what I mean. 00:47:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's them being conservative minded in understanding like how it usually goes with clients and all that. 00:47:12 Speaker 1: Right, And I'm not trying to say because these dudes are bad at the bone, we've all worked together to kind of figure out how a. 00:47:18 Speaker 5: Straight up Indian I'm not lying to he could spot ridiculous small amounts of times in the shade at one hundred yards while walking across limestone rocks and making no noise. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: Hey, they were real good at that. 00:47:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what it is, but like they were real good at walking through that stuff. 00:47:35 Speaker 1: But so we hunted. 00:47:37 Speaker 2: Water both or every evening, but two really successful evenings. The first time we went in and hunted water, we had a group of domes come out rarely, like four fifteen, and they came out, ran about near to the water, got to the edge, and it just so happens that water isn't just for a lot of things drink water, including squirrels, live stock. 00:48:04 Speaker 1: Too, yeah, livestock. 00:48:06 Speaker 2: And so we saw this squirrel go down and get a drink about three forty five. 00:48:13 Speaker 1: He hopped up on this rock and I told Michael I could smoke him right there, quartering away, but I was just joking. Turns out I should have not sure was seasoned though, So you. 00:48:22 Speaker 5: Have two arrows left. 00:48:25 Speaker 1: So we didn't think much about it. 00:48:29 Speaker 2: Well, that dough comes in and it's super steel, and that squirrel goes move around that tree. She looks at it, up at it and freaks out and they all run off. 00:48:39 Speaker 1: Squirrels spook those does off. I'm like, golly, man, that's dunk. Well, at least it's kind of early. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: And squirrels are an nemesis man, they are man, they are what the kids nowadays would call an op and the op right Michael stands in particular. 00:48:56 Speaker 1: There's a couple offs running around over there. 00:48:58 Speaker 4: He needs a broad head. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so but we still had high hopes, right because they've been deer coming around. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: Well, sure enough, still in daylight, like sun still up, probably like six to twenty five, we have another group come out and we're like, oh, nice, they're coming back. 00:49:21 Speaker 1: Well, they brought friends. 00:49:23 Speaker 2: There was a big toad daddy in this group, a mondo, and I was. 00:49:28 Speaker 1: I told Michaels like, I'm kind of getting excited. 00:49:31 Speaker 4: He said, I'm kind of getting excited. 00:49:33 Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, that kind of freaked out, and then I started excited, and sure enough they came into about fifty I'm not trying to force a shot at all because I'm thinking I'm gonna shot at these deer at the water. I mean they're just calm as be can be walking into water. 00:49:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, just doing the thing. 00:49:49 Speaker 2: And there's a bunch of them, so usually calm, and there's a bunch of them, and it was working. There was like a younger buck, a black buck and dough I think or maybe that's an next night I don't remember, but anyways, there's a bunch of deer and that same stupid dough looks up at the tree where the squirrel is and starts getting weird, and she just stays weird the whole time, and they lock up at fifty and then all of a sudden that one of them just does something and they all freak out and they run. 00:50:17 Speaker 1: Off and don't come back out. 00:50:19 Speaker 6: Yepe squirrel messes up. Once one starts to go a direction, they're kind of like, okay. 00:50:23 Speaker 2: Yeahry away, Yeah, that's exactly right, And so like I could have shot the buck and probably killed him. I mean I was very comfortable in there at that's in that situation and uh nope, because I wasn't forcing a shot and a bowl, like I won't even like trying to draw. You know, this didn't happen, thinking okay, well, next night we got. 00:50:43 Speaker 1: A great shot. 00:50:44 Speaker 2: The wind is more dear favorable, but we can still make it work. 00:50:48 Speaker 1: Sure enough. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: Deer come out much later because they just do different things. 00:50:54 Speaker 1: And I think it's we only. 00:50:55 Speaker 2: Saw doze or maybe a small buck or something with him that night, but it was like fifteen minutes before. 00:51:01 Speaker 1: You can't shoot anymore. 00:51:03 Speaker 2: But they start piling out and they're coming like, oh sick, this is gonna be awesome of them. 00:51:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're out. We didn't see the back of the grip yet. 00:51:11 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:51:12 Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Michael goes, they stop, you know, kind of chilling. 00:51:15 Speaker 1: He goes, there's a donkey. 00:51:20 Speaker 10: Sure enough, they stall out, and this big, old, long legged donkey walks in there and drinks some water, and they start barking at him, and then he like walks up and looks at him, and they bark some more, and he chases all the deer off at last light. 00:51:35 Speaker 6: Listen, a lot of people probably don't know that I like to do the fake rage thing. 00:51:40 Speaker 4: I was real that. 00:51:42 Speaker 1: They are going round there. It's a real rage. And then. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: Our hunt slowly came to a close. The last morning. We had an opportunity for it to go home, uh, to go out and just chase him around as much as we could. And like Tyler said, we're to figure how to call these things right. And so I, being a little bit of a risk taker, I'm like, we're about to leave. 00:52:10 Speaker 1: I'm about to just give him the kitchen. 00:52:11 Speaker 6: See something we've been asking Bryce and Austin about the entire week is like, have you guys ever seen somebody call him? And we heard him calling all week, so at that point it was like, throw the kitchen sink at him. 00:52:22 Speaker 1: They elk cutting quite a bit, so I'm like, let's see if they do. 00:52:25 Speaker 5: It. 00:52:25 Speaker 4: Felt like we were elk counting. It was awesome. 00:52:30 Speaker 1: And so we get out early in the morning. 00:52:32 Speaker 2: We're just covering some ground. We finally hear a buck roar and we start pushing in on him. It seems like we're trying to catch up to him because every time we hear him roar, he's the same distance away. 00:52:40 Speaker 1: We finally get to where I thought he was the last time we heard him. Couldn't hear anything. 00:52:45 Speaker 2: So I'm like, I'm going to roar at this thing and just see if they will come to the sound close And sure enough, I give him a two note or or and then one little hazy because I'd heard one do that earlier in the week, and our buddy said that the big bucks will be kind of lazy, and I. 00:53:06 Speaker 1: Think that's that sound. 00:53:07 Speaker 2: Is that at the end, And I'm not doing it the actual sound because it'll blow out the speakers here, but within three seconds, cows start chirping and they run at us from like eighty yards out. They run the end of forty and they're just looking for us, and long story short. 00:53:30 Speaker 1: They spend an hour away from us. 00:53:32 Speaker 2: There's a giant velvet buck that hasn't grown out that I can't shoot, and then I take a shot at a dough that I thought was at forty she being like thirty five, shot was high. And then they still spend like another forty five minutes there and finally, oh, by the way, there's a giant buck chase around those in the back after the shot, something like okay, we're gonna get you to him. Him and the other bucks chase a doe off and then the next thirty minutes they finally line out and go. We don't know where the bucks go because all those does left or the dose stayed while the bucks left, and then they finally left, and then we never could catch up with them again. 00:54:14 Speaker 1: Made me sad. End of story. 00:54:16 Speaker 2: And there's a little more stuff because we didn't want to tell everything, but that's some of the exciting stuff that we saw. It seems as if we're getting something figured out on these things. Calling is going to work, especially if we're in the rut. 00:54:27 Speaker 5: What's your next what's your next move with the calls? What are you gonna think think about or try it or try or look at. 00:54:34 Speaker 2: Or are you thinking I need to figure out how to call in a solo buck because I think they're gonna be during the road. 00:54:41 Speaker 1: There's gonna be some solo bucks. 00:54:42 Speaker 2: I need to figure out that. I also think that rattling and raking. I think raking especially. 00:54:48 Speaker 6: And we had a guy that last morning, like seventy five yards back breaking a tree. 00:54:54 Speaker 4: There's a good chance one of those comes in. 00:54:55 Speaker 5: I could hear when I the last morning and I was stalking, I could hear that buck rake like three different times in case. 00:55:02 Speaker 6: He both stood up after that like eighty bajillion dough encounter, and we're like, if we had somebody racing, it's going. 00:55:09 Speaker 1: Down those bucks, they will circle the group, yep. 00:55:12 Speaker 2: And that one just happened to find a hot dough and he didn't have to circle anymore. But if he thought there was another hot dough where that raking was going on. 00:55:19 Speaker 4: Different story. 00:55:20 Speaker 5: Donato's man, we've been having him for a while. 00:55:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of fun ready to do it again. I think it's going to be a stylistic thing. I mean it is. I mean, if you're a bow hunter nowadays, you kind of. 00:55:33 Speaker 2: Are a stylist, you know, because we could all kill nice bucks with guns and had the permission to do so, but we chose to bow hunt them because it's a lot of fun. 00:55:41 Speaker 1: I love the close encounters. 00:55:42 Speaker 2: And again during the rut, it seems as if there's gonna be so many bucks roaring that you could just kind of chill out and have one come by. But who doesn't want to see one come in just like ten yards from you? 00:55:53 Speaker 1: You know, it would be sick. 00:55:55 Speaker 5: Oh, it was sick to hear him at fifty or whatever he was at when he did it. 00:55:59 Speaker 1: Dude, we watched them on video. 00:56:00 Speaker 5: That audio is crisp, and that is it's cool loud. 00:56:03 Speaker 2: Anyways, guys, a lot of fun with y'all this week doing that. I can't wait till we get to do it again. Appreciate Yanni's coming down, Appreciate our buddies at t O showing us the ropes on the axis. 00:56:13 Speaker 1: And appreciate y'all for listening. Remember this is your element, live in it.