00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Tyler. 00:00:00 Speaker 2: Okay, see, and you're listening to the Element Podcast. 00:00:13 Speaker 1: What's going on? All my woods people sitting here drinking this mineral water from eighteen seventy seven, which I think is AGB Brand? 00:00:21 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:00:21 Speaker 1: What on the furniture mark couch in eighteen seventy seven? Oh, that was when Texas had the Battle of hidog Goes. I don't have a clue what that is. I don't either. 00:00:32 Speaker 3: That's that's like, uh, that doesn't line up very well with much of anything. 00:00:36 Speaker 1: Yep. This is Element Podcast, brought to you by First Light. By the way, it finally cooled off here in Texas for what thirty six hours and been using some First Light. I got my source jacket on it's black case. That's nice, are you jelly? Yeah? 00:00:50 Speaker 2: I am. I'm actually going to order a few jackets today. Cool on the first lot of Black Friday. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: Steal so black jacket on Black Friday. That's right? How about that? How about it? 00:00:58 Speaker 2: It's like they planned it out, marketing geniuses over there first lot and keyword mark. 00:01:06 Speaker 1: We've got a very special person here today. And when I say that, I don't know if I really mean it, but no, we've got a guy here that's been hanging out with us for a few years now, Nick Gonzalez. He is silent but deadly, as he says, as he told me several times. No, I'm just now coming up with that, and I think it's very fitting because he he doesn't talk a whole lot, but he's gonna talk a little bit on our podcast today. He's been around, we've we've done some consultation with him, and I wouldn't say it was free consultation because he did buy some elmana Mexican food. But when remember he was asking us about some map stuff, and I don't think he'll I don't think I was there. He only bought it for you. No, stop. See he has a bad memory. Day Missouri, Yeah, Missouri misery. You shot a deer on that trip, right, I did? Yeah, I just did not find him. So Nick has killed and we're gonna say that's a kill. Uh killed deer in Missouri on public, killed there in Arkansas in public, He killed there in Texas on public. Yeah, but you've shot at one and killed deer in Kansas on public, any other public lands South Dakota killed in South Dakota on public too. So Nick is, like I said, silent but deadly SBD. 00:02:29 Speaker 2: So when your name is Nick around here, you're gonna get a few nicknames for sure. 00:02:36 Speaker 4: Around here. 00:02:37 Speaker 1: Or if your name is Casey, that's right, yeah, because you can't be called Michael when he was you know, previously, when he actually was a part of our team when he showed up. 00:02:48 Speaker 2: But the it's just like a thing, man. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's buried entry or what you want to call it. 00:02:59 Speaker 3: But you didn't have a lot of nicknames until like probably past year. 00:03:03 Speaker 1: Nicknames are are they're like a object of affection though. 00:03:08 Speaker 2: For sure, you know what I mean, unless they're really mean. Yeah, Like a sort of mean nickname is like the perfect one. Yeah, you know, I've heard the meanest nickname we have for you? 00:03:17 Speaker 4: Did y'all have for me? 00:03:18 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:03:19 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a mean one that's good meme mean one, meme ones, So nick knock it's like probably your most common. Yeah, ticnick is pretty big. Novacarrama swammy. 00:03:32 Speaker 1: Yeah that was really good. Did you even mean to do that? 00:03:41 Speaker 5: No? 00:03:41 Speaker 1: It didn't correct, it didn't spell check, So I just left it and I was like, this will be good. 00:03:46 Speaker 3: Did you do you know that someone was gonna say. 00:03:48 Speaker 1: Swimming after No, I didn't know that. I just knew that it said n I v K Yeah. Yeah, which is interesting because hearing the k g v kJ V kg V KGV with a k j V and I v uh n i v k j V Right, Nick Nickovic nick niv nivik. Dude, you're like James Winston right now saying that's one of my favorite people is awesome, dude. Yeah, everybody loves him. Yeah, wild. 00:04:18 Speaker 4: I can't wait for his postgame interviews. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: What's gonna say, go out there to get me some dessert, dude, or order and wins off of Ordon w Is off of Amazon. Man, Come on now, gonna get here about nine pm. So good dude. He's just free flowing man. 00:04:35 Speaker 2: But one of the nice things about having Nick around right now, outside of the fact that he uh kills a lot of deer, what what's so funny is that Nick is a fellow sports fan, so. 00:04:51 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we've been missing that. 00:04:53 Speaker 2: I guarantee you, Cuppy is one of those sports ball people. Might as well work for Stephen Ranella or something for sure. I just I think it's why so he go work for but Nick like literally knows who the backup guard is for the Green Bay Packers. 00:05:09 Speaker 1: Really he does not, literally, but he does know some people. 00:05:14 Speaker 5: No, yeah, you watch sports, but college just I don't keep it with college a lot. 00:05:18 Speaker 4: I know you guys do. 00:05:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll get there. Yeah, hanging out with us enuff. Ye did you go to college? 00:05:26 Speaker 4: I did? 00:05:26 Speaker 1: Where'd you go to college? 00:05:27 Speaker 4: PJC? 00:05:28 Speaker 1: Okay, the almost went there, Cyclones, the dragons. Dragons, Yeah, just like what. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: Joe Kenham Dragons, I mean before there was dinosaurs or dinosaur, dragon was the word. 00:05:44 Speaker 1: So you're the PJC dinosaur? 00:05:46 Speaker 4: Were they? 00:05:49 Speaker 3: And that is Hank Williams junior song Dinosaur. 00:05:51 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think so. I thought it was country Boy Can't Survive. That's a That's another song of his, for sure. That's the only one I know actually I know. Uh oh, you're ready for some football man. Isn't that weird? 00:06:05 Speaker 3: He got fired from that for like some like. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: Fairly moderately controversial conservative statement or something like that was he first cancelation? Yeah, literally, he was one of the first cancels out there. And then they went to Faith Hill. Well she's pretty well she was now she's like eighty. 00:06:25 Speaker 1: So Tim's been doing that TRT. 00:06:28 Speaker 2: So yeah, TRT and take your guns away. It's what Tim and drawls about. No, listen, guys, we recorded a whole nother podcast that you're never going to hear because it was too controversial. 00:06:37 Speaker 1: So I need to stop making statements like that. You can make occasional statements, but when we make a ten minute, fifteen minute bit about CWD, it's not listening. You poked the bear real, the bear poked up first and then and. 00:06:53 Speaker 2: Then was explaining the difference in EHD and CWD. Okay, sure, that's all I started doing. And then you poke, yes, Okay, you were saying. 00:07:05 Speaker 1: To babically that CWD is real. 00:07:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, but later, okay, later for sure. So the whole points are off on a tangent about that stuff. 00:07:16 Speaker 1: Right now, we're going to talk. 00:07:17 Speaker 2: About the late rut, and if you really care to hear about that stuff, maybe in an off season podcast we'll get back on it. I actually have a really good idea about that with some with some maybe some guest appearances, that. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: Would be good. I know what you're talking about. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: So Tyler, myself and Nick about to let the Canada's bag. 00:07:40 Speaker 1: Have all killed bucks in the last week. May I say they were on back to back to back days. It's just like sick first, second and third of November. For sure. We almost get back to back to back to back in the first four days of November. Yeah, they him and Greg skipped today, otherwise would have had for deer. Actually, actually you shot the night that Greg shot deer. 00:08:06 Speaker 2: We had five deer in seven days, just as is though on that trip the thirtieth through the sixth, right, and then and then you shoot your. 00:08:14 Speaker 1: Dow on the sixth, sixth, I think, yeah, yeah, was it? 00:08:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was election day. 00:08:19 Speaker 1: That's fifth, fifth, fifth, yep, yeah, six days. Wow. But that's early November. That's that is early rut. We're gonna talk about some late rut stuff. 00:08:30 Speaker 2: It's a little different right now, still very similar as to what's going on. 00:08:35 Speaker 1: And guys, this is one of the great times to plug this. 00:08:41 Speaker 2: If you don't have some good hunting buddies that can give you reliable information about what's going on in the woods, you should you should seek that out. 00:08:47 Speaker 1: Man. 00:08:48 Speaker 2: I think that the communication that we all have not directly about the location of specific animals, because that would be illegal in forty nine states. 00:08:56 Speaker 3: But the communication that we have about like. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: Just what's going on in the woods, maybe suggestions about where you should go, what you should do, and being able to communicate those things and also not worry too much about like hurting feelings or whatever and understand that we're all working towards a common goal of killing some deer. 00:09:13 Speaker 1: Like that's a super beneficial thing for what we have going on. 00:09:16 Speaker 2: And I think that it leads to having these streaks where maybe somebody figures something out and then all of a sudden, we kill five dear in seven days, you know, because we're able to like put some pieces together and be like, hey, this worked for me in this situation. Your situation is slightly different, so let's tweak this and then maybe you can go kill doing the same thing. 00:09:34 Speaker 1: Well, and let me tell you this. You know our buddy Anthony, who some people may be familiar with. I've had him on the podcast some I did some hunting with him in video and with him in twenty nineteen I think, and then somewhere around eighteen we did a Turkey video with him as well. 00:09:49 Speaker 2: And then he's in the twenty fifteen full season, which is an old video on the channel and. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: Don't go to watch that. Hell, oh dude, it's good. No, that's where we're doing the outdoor TV things full season, was it? Yeah, I can't remember. Yeah, yeah for sure. Well Anthony, So Anthony, uh oh, it's a guy that you'll see on some of our stuff in. 00:10:10 Speaker 3: The Failure Life. Yeah, yeah, Monarch is on our channel. 00:10:15 Speaker 1: Is he on there or did he just film it? I think he's on there some But anyway, he's he's been around and he's a good buddy of ours. And oh he's on the Map Scout Challenge stuff too. Yeah. So Anthony has he hunts a lot. He's uh quite quite a good hunter. Actually, he has a lot of encounters with big Bucks. And I think a lot of us are familiar with this, but like the shot when you're bow hunting, doesn't always turn out like you wanted to. And Anthony's had that happen a few times in the last few years and it's been frustrating for him. So I've been trying to help him, help lift him up through that. Because it happens, and I promise you it happens for me, it happens for case. It happens for Nick, happens for Anthony and have for the majority of the people out there. And I'll say this. I have some buddies that hunt around here that I've known forever, and they don't make many bad shots, but most of them shoot deer overcorn. And so when people talk about bait as a bad deal, I think that there's one big plus to shooting deer overcorn, and it's that you can make great shots overcorn as compared to on the ground or in a tree that you don't you never sat in before. It only has a few windows, right, and the deer's not stopping. So that's my That's the end of that. But I'm just saying Anthony has been hunting quite a bit lately, and to kind of pivot off what you or stay with what's your point is? You know, we were able to I was, We were able to have that good run there in early in November, and then I told him some things that I would do if I was him, because he was in Illinois and then went to Kansas and he got shots at one of the biggest year of his life what would have been the biggest year of his life in Illinois and then kill a deer in Kansas doing the things that I was suggesting to him. Not this isn't to lift me up at all. It is just to say your point is correct. Like if you have to give to somebody that's in your hunting circle, or if you have a guy that has had success and you can listen to him talk about how that success panned out for him, then it can be a really good thing for you. So with that, Nick, you have had some success recently. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: And. 00:12:38 Speaker 1: It was kind of I don't know, I don't know to what extent, but the way I understand it is that case and you kind of put your heads together on some map stuff start out on this that kind of led to this, right. 00:12:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, we did. 00:12:55 Speaker 5: I had gone to hunting up there before the week before and had seen a couple good deer, but just didn't get any shots on anything that I liked and came back and was talking to Casey and we looked at some different places and I was like, man, what do you think the deer are going to be doing this week up there? 00:13:14 Speaker 4: Like do you think the deer movement's going to be good? That kind of thing? 00:13:17 Speaker 5: And he was like, man, I think it's worth going back up there, and so we looked at the maps and stuff and he found some really good stuff. And that's essentially where I ended up going, Yeah. 00:13:29 Speaker 1: Why did you listen to me on that? 00:13:32 Speaker 2: I'm not I don't really want to implicate that like I was like right or anything, you know, but like, I don't know, I just feel like you're a trusting guy, and you were like, okay, that does sound good, and I would be like, I don't know, you know, like I. 00:13:47 Speaker 5: Don't Well, you guys have killed a lot more deer than I have, and so I definitely value you got your guys opinion. Thank you a lot, because, like Tyler was saying, you know, having a community of guys that you high with and you know, listening to advice and that kind of thing. 00:14:02 Speaker 4: Like last year I did that. 00:14:04 Speaker 5: You guys put out a podcast I think maybe right as the rut was starting, and you know, gave some tactics and things that y'all would do. And I used some of that stuff and killed the biggest year unshot. 00:14:38 Speaker 1: That's cool. That's wild. Yeah, that's uh. See. Here's what's interesting to me is case uh told you that you should go back up there, and he was hunting at the same time in the same uh state, but not in the same area, and was like felt like that it was over, is what he told me yesterday. He's like, He's like, man, I just didn't feel good about our chances up there, being that it was this late. And it's interesting to me because he's a very optimistic guy. But were you over optimistic when you talk to Nick about it or why did you feel different about your chances as opposed to his. A couple things. For one, I'm probably. 00:15:29 Speaker 2: Pretty decent at encouraging other people, but then like I kind of have the manic depressive thing going on a little bit, I think is what it's called, where like internally, like I kind of struggle with like confidence and things, but I'm all about like telling other people, yeah that's a good idea, I do it, you know, or whatever, And so there was some of that going on. Also, it seemed like Nick had the availability to go, so it was like, well, it'd be better to go now than later, for sure. 00:15:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. 00:15:59 Speaker 2: And I think the other thing too, And one of the reasons that I felt like it might be over was that I was hunting somewhat a specific deer, at least a specific type of deer, and even maybe a specific one deer where Nick was gonna go hunt public and not that you're going to shoot a smaller deer. We shouldn't really call it that, but just your expectations were different for what you wanted to go home with. I think I talked to you about it even before him, like, you know, what are you really trying to kill? 00:16:29 Speaker 1: You know, and and if you're. 00:16:31 Speaker 2: Like trying to find like a pope and young plus type deer, like you should be pretty optimistic about that in certain areas. 00:16:38 Speaker 1: Yea. 00:16:39 Speaker 2: I think that's probably why I felt one way about my hunt versus what he had going on. 00:16:45 Speaker 1: Do you so, do you think that the deer you shot as pope? 00:16:51 Speaker 4: M I think so. 00:16:52 Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah. Yeah, I hadn't even seen, you know, all the pictures or anything, but seen a for you. He was a big dog. He looks big. He's like big, old headed. Yeah. Talk about talk about like what y'all did when you started a game plan, how you came up with a game plan, and then tell the story of how that all came to fruition and obviously being as public land you know, withhold whatever details you need to keep people off your spot. 00:17:24 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:17:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I went up there, like I said the week before and did some scoutings. I went to a place that I had killed the year before and kind of a smaller piece of public and there was just people all around it, and so. 00:17:39 Speaker 6: Peoples all around it is what you said, people people, Okay, Yeah, And so I decided to move to a different spot, and it just was frustrating because it's different than anything I've hunted before. 00:17:54 Speaker 5: Not as many people over there, but just different kind of terrain and all that. So try to learn it. And Casey again called one evening and we were chatting and he was like, man, I like this piece right here, and I had driven by it and I had marked it earlier in the day and so ended up going in there and saw several good bucks in there, and uh, just wasn't able to get a shot on any of them self filming. There were shooters there, They were shooters there. Yeah, there was two potential shooters and one of them I feel like I could have got a shot at. But the self filming thing is pretty tough sometimes, and so you know, you're trying to work with the cameras and get everything else situated, and uh, it can be it can be difficult. Sometimes kicked his drink over, and. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: Not only did he kick it over, but he kicked it under the couch toos just slashing everywhere. 00:18:50 Speaker 1: A little bit. He kind of missed what was going on, but I tried to look over there. 00:18:54 Speaker 4: You guys are doing your thing. 00:18:55 Speaker 1: It's funny. So, uh coup shooter your self was hard. 00:19:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, So uh anyway, it just it seemed like the longer I was there, the less that the big bucks were moving. Just seemed like maybe they were on lockdown with the Dos. 00:19:11 Speaker 4: And so. 00:19:13 Speaker 5: Anyway, I came back and game plan with you guys whenever I got back, and uh so that's when we ended up. I ended up going back up there to try again and went to a different area all around again this time, and I really liked it. 00:19:29 Speaker 4: I drove around the. 00:19:30 Speaker 5: First day I got there and saw several deer, but still trying to figure out where I was going to end up going. So I kind of a spot that Casey had found is just a good pinch between food and just some travel corridor. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: Stuff around here. 00:19:51 Speaker 5: It was a good spot there was there was a lot of deer that moved through there, but it just felt like the majority of the bucks that were cruising through there were just young. 00:20:00 Speaker 4: I mean, he's really young. 00:20:01 Speaker 2: But for sure, do you think that is location specific or is that is that date specific? 00:20:07 Speaker 5: Honestly, I feel like that spot was kind of both because I did not see a lot of sign of big deer in that area. And then I think just in general, you know, had it been you know, the beginning of the run, I'm sure a big buck would have been cruising through there, just sent checking for does and stuff, and it was kind of a against an ox bow, and so I'm sure a big buck would have been there at some point too. But so I'd seen some decent deer. I mean, I'd seen a decent amount of deer in there, but I just wasn't seeing what I was looking for. 00:20:36 Speaker 4: And so. 00:20:39 Speaker 5: I think day two I relocated to a different spot. It's another pinch, just kind of on the other side of this piece of public But getting in there, I was just like, man, there was rubs everywhere, which I'm not huge on rubs either. I know, you guys aren't, you know, crazy about them, but it does tell me you know, there's at least. 00:20:58 Speaker 1: A big deer around and so pretty fresh. 00:21:01 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:21:01 Speaker 1: See, that's the thing I would worry about. 00:21:03 Speaker 2: I don't mean to cut you off, but that would worry about me in a late rut situation. If you find a bunch of big old rubs, chance that deer is dead. Yeah, especially hunting public, right, you know, so it's good to know that they're fresh. 00:21:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was, but there was a lot of them, and they were big, big trees, and so I. 00:21:20 Speaker 1: Was like, well, I feel pretty good about this area. 00:21:22 Speaker 5: And so I sat up there one evening and I saw quite a few deer again, you know, just some doze, and I finally saw one decent buck and so I think I maybe rattled at him and he started coming towards me, but we were getting close to the end of shooting lights, so he didn't make it to me. So decided to go back in there the next morning, which was going to be my last morning to hunt there, and again same situation, some smaller bucks, some doze, and I finally finally saw one shooter buck and he was kind of he set up on the edge of an ox bow. 00:22:00 Speaker 4: Again. 00:22:01 Speaker 2: When you see on the edge of an ox bow. Can you explain that a little bit more what that looks like? 00:22:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, just like an ox bow in general. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: Well, so sometimes there's terminology that has a specific meaning, but to an individual it might mean something a little bit. 00:22:16 Speaker 1: There's a little variants in there. 00:22:18 Speaker 2: And then also when you say edge of an ox bow, where is that in relation to the grand scheme of the area. 00:22:25 Speaker 5: Okay, So basically, like I said, it was kind of a pinch that I hunted. So I'm set up on the edge of some soybeans and then some overgrown CRP woods and then a creek behind me. And so what the creek does is it comes in kind of towards where I'm sitting and then just makes a hard turn and then it follows that soybean field. And so for the deer to travel through there, they're gonna most likely kind to travel on the beans or in the woods somewhere. And so they were crossing the creek for sure, But the creek was pretty deep. But the woods between the soybean filled and the creek was only about twenty foot of woods or so, and so lots of CRP and so I knew, you know, dose could be betting back up in there. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: So when you say hard ox bow or edge of an ox bow, that's like kind of where that creek turns. 00:23:20 Speaker 4: Yes, So if you're. 00:23:21 Speaker 2: Looking at a map, it's like what it looks like, you know, a creek squiggles back and forth. 00:23:25 Speaker 1: It's like in the squig yeah, and coming towards you. Yep. Yeah. So like it wouldn't be the inside of the horseshoe or the outside of the horseshoe, right, yeah, yep. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:23:36 Speaker 5: And so you know, bucks will bed in there a lot, just wind dependent in that kind of thing, and then they'll come through and sent check some areas like that. And so there was a buck that came in there and the wind wasn't great. The wind wasn't doing much in the morning early, but as the day picked up, you know, the wind picked up as well. And so there was a buck that was in there that was blowing at me. He never saw me, he could just smell, and uh. I was like, oh, man, I only see a buck and you know, he doesn't even see me, but he knows I'm here. And so it's never a good feeling when they just start blowing. So anyway, I had a Thanksgiving dinner that I was supposed to be getting back for that evening, and so I wasn't gonna hunt super long. The wind wasn't doing what I wanted it to do. It's about ten o'clock, and so I was like, well, I guess my time here is done. Like I'm feeling real down discouraged. So I get everything out of the tree, pack everything in the bag, and I'm literally got everything done, and I'm turning around to grab my back to put it on my back. 00:24:40 Speaker 1: You were you were in the tree. 00:24:42 Speaker 4: What's up? 00:24:42 Speaker 1: You were in the tree or you're at the base of a tree. 00:24:44 Speaker 4: Currently I'm at the base of a tree. 00:24:46 Speaker 1: But you were in the tree that morning. 00:24:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, I hunted in the tree. 00:24:48 Speaker 1: So you pulled everything down and got down to the ground completely. Yeah, yeah, I took everything off. I'm done. 00:24:54 Speaker 5: And so I reach over to grab my bag to put it on my back, and I hear something just to across the creek at the point of that ox bow, and I slowly turned and looked, and there's a dough and she's at forty five yards just staring at me. And I was like, oh man, at this point, I'm not having much luck and I was like, you know, I need some deer meat. Like, if she happens to give me a shot, I'll take it. And so I'm standing up at this point. It's tall grass, and so I was like, if I can just crouch down a little bit and grab the bow and you know, maybe I can get a shot. So she's looking at me, and she's thinking about stomping, but she's kind of distracted and she kind of keeps looking back at something. I was like, oh, there's got to be another deer back there, and so slowly but surely, I make my way down and she finally stomps a little bit, blows and jumps off, probably ten foot or so, which gave me enough time to get all the way down grab my bow, and so I look over there just to see what she's been looking at, and I just see it antlers just over this grass. It's real tall over there, and I was just like, oh, man, that's that looks like a good buck. 00:25:59 Speaker 4: So I pulled the. 00:25:59 Speaker 5: Biino's up and glassed him and I was like, oh, it's a really good buck. And so I grabbed a grunt call started grunting at him and he hears it turns and looks, and I'm thinking he might be interested in it. I'm not sure what he's gonna end up doing. I's kind of worried that he was going to end up going across the creek and getting my wind. But he just sat there. Snort wheezed at him, and he still just didn't seem like he was very interested in it, and so he kind of starts walking off a little bit. So I got the rattling antlers and rattled at him some. He hears it, and again he's just not very interested in it, and eventually I think it kind of spooked him. He never saw me, Like I said, it's tall grass, but it kind of spooks him and he takes off running, and I'm just like, well, I thought we were done earlier, but now I think we're done. And so I sit there. I was like, you know what, there is a like a really good creek crossing up here, and the way that this creek runs, he's gonna go one or two directions here. My guess is he's gonna go across this creek crossing and he's gonna go sent check for dose, because I think he came and check that dough out didn't like it, and so he's gonna keep moving. 00:27:18 Speaker 4: And so I was like, well, it's not. 00:27:20 Speaker 5: Over till it's over. So I put my bag on, grab the boat, and I hustle over to this other area to check out the creek crossing. And then I get around some trees and some brush and I look up and he's coming down a trail at like he's probably seventy yards away at this point. 00:27:39 Speaker 4: I was just like, Oh my goodness, can't believe this. 00:27:41 Speaker 1: Is he looking at you. 00:27:42 Speaker 5: He's not okay, yeah, he never sees me. So he's continuing down this trail and I'm just like sitting there for a second. For like a couple of seconds, I'm just like not doing anything. I'm like, I got to figure out what I'm gonna do here. So I get a range finder and there's a trail is at thirty yards, so I range a tree to make sure that's what it was. And I was like, I hope he comes down this trail because I don't have a whole lot of other shots here. I'm also worried about the wind because the wind is picking up and currently he's kind of northeast and we got a true south and so at some point he's going to hit my wind and so he just cruising through and he ends up coming down a trail behind the one that I ranged at, and I already had my pins set for thirty and I had already drawn, and so I had a small, small window. You have a single pin side, I do, yep, And so he ends up walking straight into that window and stops. I mean, he'd been moving this whole time, but he comes through there and just stops perfectly in that window. And he's quarter two, which is not my favorite, but it's what I had, and so I just had to aim high and shoot, and I shot, and he just does a couple of circles where he's at, crashes around some stuff, and take off, and I'm just like, I don't know what happened. Because the windows so small, I couldn't see where the arrow hit. It sounded good, but yeah, it sounded good. But the way he ran off, he kind of started to slow down and I could see him, and I was a little bit worried that I hit liver, and so I'm watching him, and slowly but surely he walks off and then I can see him bed down. 00:29:25 Speaker 4: I was like, okay, well that's good. 00:29:26 Speaker 5: But again I'm thinking he might be liver hit, trying to figure out what I need to do because he still has no idea. He's not he's not seen me. And so I sat there for a good bit and I can just see. All I can see is his antlers because the grass is so tall. So I sat there and thought for a long time. I was like, man, I think pretty easily I could sneak up to this deer and get another shot on him if I need to. And so that's what I started doing, just with the wind, making sure the wind was good, and everything just slowly started creeping up to him. And I got about eighty sixty yards away from him, and I looked through. 00:30:04 Speaker 4: The binos and his head was no longer up. 00:30:07 Speaker 5: It was over. And so I'm still shaking. I'm like looking through the biinos trying to see if I can see his stomach, you know, breathing. 00:30:15 Speaker 4: So I'm just going really really slow. 00:30:17 Speaker 5: Once I got to about forty, you know, I could tell he was he had expired so nice. 00:30:22 Speaker 1: How long was that after the shot? 00:30:24 Speaker 4: Probably thirty minutes? 00:30:25 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Yeah, So did you gut him? 00:30:29 Speaker 4: I did? 00:30:31 Speaker 1: I maybe jumping ahead here, But what was the what was the analysis on the shot? So I hit him like just behind the shoulder, Like I said, he's pretty hard quarter two. D It was as perfect as you could shoot that shot. I feel like. 00:30:44 Speaker 5: I give all the credit to the God, because without the Lord on that situation, I mean, with that the Lord in any situation, you know, uh, you know, we're nothing. But just how everything played out was perfect. And I do not him to be the best archer and so to be able to hit that gear, I don't think you should. 00:31:05 Speaker 2: Ye, I'm kidding. I actually I don't think you should. But uh, you're proficient, and I'm glad that you. I mean, yeah, that's right, Colin pro staff man. 00:31:21 Speaker 1: I wish I was on a proficient staff. Uh forty three forty three yep, we left and right. I don't think you could have hit him better. Also, up and down. It was. It was as good as you could shoot that shot. I felt like this picture again, yeah, I mean, like for for for a quarter two. I mean, I just don't know if you could hit him better. Dude, it was awesome. Where did you send the picture of the shot? 00:31:47 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:31:48 Speaker 1: Is it? And put it on there? If you don't mind. Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to. We need to post this. Let's let's post this on this story, on our story when it comes out on Instagram, then maybe maybe even on our I mean that is okay. 00:32:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit him like in the pocket, so straight up pretty much from the leg. 00:32:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, like from the elbow or whatever. 00:32:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I said, you could see him in the arrow, went all the way through the other side, put a hole, and then. 00:32:19 Speaker 1: Where was the hole on the other side. 00:32:22 Speaker 4: I don't know if you can actually tell in the pictures. 00:32:29 Speaker 1: Maybe you got my dear saved in his camera roll. Oh yeah, it's pretty It's kind of back, isn't it. Yeah, it's a pretty hard quarter two but so so one lung and liver. Yeah. 00:32:41 Speaker 4: Well yeah, and it hit a little bit of stomach. 00:32:43 Speaker 1: The bases on that thing. Dude, do you still what are the chances that you have a lower jaw on that deer? What a lower jaw? Man? It would be cool to know how old you Yeah, he looks pretty old, he does. 00:32:59 Speaker 2: I think there's a thing on on mature bucks where, especially in country with decent dear density distance between his eyes. 00:33:08 Speaker 1: I think they get a bunch of scar tissue and stuff on their heads. Yeah. I think there's a thing about that. 00:33:12 Speaker 2: And that when he's got that kind of thing going on where he's yeah, yeah, got a big pinky for sure, you know, same kind of deal. 00:33:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a that's awesome. But he's incredible, man. I bet you. 00:33:27 Speaker 2: I bet he's coming through the woods because he's got the high rach thing. 00:33:31 Speaker 5: Like I said, that's the first thing I saw through that grass was just his antlers. He's just really tall. 00:33:37 Speaker 1: Nick. You're looking for a cameraman for next year, right, I am. I mean that's the that's the plan. Hopefully. This has all been self filmed, and you heard the story. But the footage is cool and Nick does a really good job filming. That's a good self picture too. 00:33:52 Speaker 5: Man. 00:33:52 Speaker 1: Honestly, it looks awesome. Yeah for sure. So, uh, this video, I don't know when it'll come out. We are in the thick of the season, so editing is tough for us and we want to put out the most high quality stuff we can and most entertaining. So it might be a little a little bit, but way to go, dude. I just to hang in there and to like give it this case, he says, give amazing a chance to happen, you know, to the very end. Put it out there for the universe manifested, you know, false teaching. I'm not guys, that was tongue in cheek promise. Looks like he's been rubbing a little bit. Yeah, yeah, he had for sure, real white on that, like right in the insides of his racker. Those make good rattle antlers, you know they would man. A lot of the big deer we kill would make a real good rattle antlers. Yeah. Well, they're also heavy and you got to carry them around all the time. 00:34:49 Speaker 2: You know what, though, you should look at the deer on your wall, and none of them really have that silence. 00:34:56 Speaker 1: That's why I shot him. 00:34:57 Speaker 3: You shoot a lot of the like out and the end top year. 00:35:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's strange enough. I never I don't know if I may he had that one upstairs the brown time, but kind of looks like he kind of has that. Yeah, in a high rack ban beams go up. Is this your biggest deer score wise? Probably not. Do you think he's bigger body than the year? 00:35:15 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure, this tear was huge. Like I walked up to him, I just absolutely disbelieve. 00:35:21 Speaker 1: You're a big dude. 00:35:22 Speaker 2: You're you're well, you're real slim, but like overall you're like six to two, right, and like athletically built, and the yours like. 00:35:32 Speaker 1: A pretty big you know what I mean, pretty girky, you know. 00:35:36 Speaker 2: And you're on your knees behind this deer and he still looks really big, so he's a big deer. 00:35:40 Speaker 4: The head on it was crazy. 00:35:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet dude, it looks like it. Well, it's incredible, man, And uh, I can't wait to see all the video. I know you show me a little bit. But Nick has to go for some Thanksgiving activities, so we're gonna let him roll out of this podcast. But again, man, way to go, and can grats on appreciate it on doing that? And uh, now you got another deer to kill, right, I got a couple more to kill. How many pope and young deer have you killed? You know? 00:36:13 Speaker 4: Maybe three? 00:36:14 Speaker 1: Three? 00:36:14 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:36:15 Speaker 1: All in public? Yep, good stuff, dude, stuff appreciate it quite the hunter. 00:36:21 Speaker 4: It's fun. 00:36:22 Speaker 5: I've learned a lot from you guys because I, you know, started doing the public land thing back in I think twenty nineteen. Mm, and uh, thank you guys were some of the first people I found. 00:36:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool. 00:36:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, especially contributing to all those numbers of people in public. 00:36:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's way of the worst. No, but what do you go do? Awesome buck? And this will be posted on our Instagram pretty soon, probably by the time this comes out. Yeah, yeah, I imagine. So, so congratulations, do you thank you? 00:36:54 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:36:56 Speaker 1: Okay, Tyler, I'm hungry, are you yep? Hungry for a big old buck? Yeah, I'm hungry for some lunch. But uh, you, you and I have also had some success. When you talk about, at least tactically, what that, what that looked like, and why why it worked, I think that you know, in nixt situation that there's there's a a thing that happens where in the late run, you know, once you hit lockdown pretty much, and these these deer kind of disappear at times, right, you don't see them on food sources as much once you hit that point. Uh. People want to talk about lockdown as being the worst thing ever, But I think that what you what you have is a really good chance to shoot deer from here on out because those deer, uh post lockdown, there's always going to be deer cruising that are looking for new doughs for basically the rest of the year, depending on where you're at right, depending on whether and stuff like that. But you've got a chance of that, and I think especially here in late part of November early part of December, you've got a chance of these deer that are really starting to spread out and look for late or dose that didn't get bred or the late six month, those coming in at kind of weird and random times. And then you also have even when they're all of those haven't been bred during lockdown, deer coming off of a dough and they're usually misplaced or displaced or how do you want to say that, where they've been with a dough in a spot that they don't normally go. So they're going to end up going back through an area they don't normally go through at some point out of that probably so, and potentially at a kind of weird time too. So you think it could get really good from here on out. I think that's maybe stuff. Man. 00:38:52 Speaker 2: I like how you're putting that with the whole like deer in the new spots. Yeah, let's do this. Let's discuss tactically what's going on right now next week, since your your story deserves a lot of time, mine deserves some time to story. Next week will tell the stories of our hunts. And so right now while people are really trying to capitalize on there like time off maybe for Thanksgiving and be efficient, let's talk tactically about kind of what. 00:39:24 Speaker 1: You're talking about more so, Uh, you have. 00:39:31 Speaker 2: Laid out the floor plan here of what's going on in the woods with lockdown and. 00:39:36 Speaker 1: Deer coming off of lockdown. Uh. 00:39:38 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, there's a video that will be out on the Element channel. I believe when this comes out, correct or I. 00:39:46 Speaker 1: Mean, I'm trying to get it up today. Yeah, so. 00:39:51 Speaker 2: Where we're hunting a late rut situation and elicit a response from a deer using some calling tactics. Yeah, that's another good tactic. Yeah sure, and so these bucks are and you should go watch that. 00:40:06 Speaker 1: It's good. We're gonna link it in the BYO in the not the bio. What's it called the description description? 00:40:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's actually means a lot to me that hunt does, and if you'll watch it you'll see why. But Tyler and I are both there. It was sick how it all played out. Rattling is the tactic that we used, uh specifically, and I think the response that we provoked out of that deer was directly related to the fact that it's still late rut. He did not have a dough and was bedded that day, and they are in the hustle mode, and I think, who do we have somebody on Retfresh mentioned the juries like thirteen or whatever. Patrick Patrick mentioned it, Yeah, Patrick, pacing or a dead end. 00:40:55 Speaker 1: Uh. They call what they call it like desperation, desperation mode or something like that. 00:41:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I could fully understand that they don't want to be the last guy without a dough, you know. And and deer, again, this has kind of been a topic of discussion for us lately. But deer don't think about things remotely even in the same way that we do as humans. 00:41:19 Speaker 1: It's a lot more instinct. 00:41:21 Speaker 2: I shouldn't speak too much to understanding exactly how they think about things. But they are animals, right, So they're not like they don't have names for all their buddies and they're like, oh, they all have girlfriends except me. That's not how they think about things. But that's a way that potentially we can kind of understand it, right, and so. 00:41:41 Speaker 1: Talk about a. 00:41:42 Speaker 2: Little bit of what like how to kill a deer who's feeling that way. 00:41:48 Speaker 1: So obviously with the with the rattling that we did, I think another thing that's that factored into that is when you when you rattle in December, you're rattling at a deer that has heard fights, this being so like he knows exactly what the sound of that is and not that not that that four year old buck doesn't know what a fight sounds like, but when it's October and he hasn't heard one yet, it might be a little bit like what is that weird thing I haven't heard in ten months or whatever. Again, back to the whole, they don't think quite like we do. We You and I are like, we have way many more years under our belts than deer do. A deer that is our age and like you know, talking like dog years type deal, deer years, a deer that's our age is like four and a half or five and a half. That's just. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: They just have so much less time to learn things, so they have to learn it really well. But still there's just like some parameters to that where we have been rattling a deer for twenty five years. They have only heard it like at most, you know, nine years in their. 00:42:55 Speaker 1: Lives, you know. Yeah, But you know, the one thing that they do is by December, they've they've heard it at night, they've heard it in the day, they've heard it, you know whenever. So like they've heard it right here in front of their face when they're doing it. They've heard it, you know, because the deer you rattled in had a broken main beam on the tip, you know, I mean more than likely that's from a fight, and I think he's coming to a fight potentially to win it, right. So I think we've talked about Actually Greg talked about this, I think last time we had a podcast, which is you know, forever ago, but he talked about how he rattled in a way that would attract two in three year old bucks. So if that's your goal here at the end of the year, is just to shoot a buck because you hadn't shot one yet and you're not really looking for the big old five and a half year old one sixty, then think about how you rattle and call it these deer. You don't need to put your grunt call on buck mode and grunt as loud and long as you can. Yeah, just contact grunts, you know what I mean? And if you don't know what that means, it's just bad bad, you know, short your grunt short more often than than people do. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: Oh, I have learned. I think that calling almost like ducks is more like what deer do? 00:44:13 Speaker 2: They do a lot of that back back, back mike, especially when they're tending a doll or snooping around. A lot of those little grunts like that is like a big deal. Hardly ever, are they doing that big old bullfrog? 00:44:27 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I mean hardly ever. And that's guys. If in case you don't know, right, a camo T shirt that has sunflowers all over it would work great in the dove field in September, but nobody sells it because dudes aren't going to put on a flower shirt, you know what I mean. So it's the same concept as like whatever you whatever satisfies you as a human, whenever you do it, it's probably not the way that it should be done. So like when you when you make a big loud hell call and you're like, oh, hey, that guy can rip on it, or I'm awesome. Yeah, they give awards for people like yah seventeen. You know, yeah, it's like, but that doesn't Actually that's if you've you know, we walked up on some ducks today, it sound like that. Well we didn't have to make any calls to go those does, No we didn't, but they didn't sound like that when they were calling. You know, It's the same thing when I hear those contact grunt with their like fawns and stuff. It's real quiet and it's real short, and it ends up you know, like that's what a buck is looking for. He's looking to accidentally hear one of those does that didn't know he was around do that so that he can go to that and surprise them, you know what I mean. And I think that's that's one thing to keep in mind, is like, especially in thicker woods and stuff, shorter grunts, quieter grunts. If you're looking for a smaller buck, and even I mean big bucks will come check out a little sparring match too, So it's not that you're just because you're sparring or doing something light, that doesn't mean that you're not going to have a chance at a big buck. So I think keeping those things in also knowing that like the intensity of the rut might not be quite the same as it was in November as we get in December, especially here. So if you don't do a full out battle with the horns, then that's okay. It doesn't again, it doesn't mean the big one's not coming here. Here's what rattling will do in a sparring situation. It will that buck will think there are deer over there. Oftentimes, where there's deer, there's doze around. I mean, plain and simple, you have little bucks that hang out around those all the time. It doesn't mean that they're getting to breed them or whatever, or and that buck is going they're gregarious species, so they're going to check that out. 00:46:39 Speaker 2: And even if he's not thinking about doze, inadvertently he is. But I think the deer that I killed in Nebraska I rattled in that videos on the channel right now, he was just going down there because he thought he heard two bucks and he was like, who's that down there, kind of making racket like a buck. I mean, I'm the one who's supposed to be in. 00:47:00 Speaker 1: Here right now, you know. 00:47:01 Speaker 2: And so there also is a level of this though and especially I think in high deer density areas you can have more successful this, but sometimes you can go like a level or two higher than what is the natural thing that's going on currently. And I think the video on the Texas Lease is just that. I think that those deer were kind of out of the ruddy thing. 00:47:29 Speaker 1: There weren't. 00:47:29 Speaker 2: We didn't see a ton of bucks nose and doughs around and doing too much of the stuff. But it was still close enough for that time of year that there will be the random dough that comes into estrus that elicits the rut fest. And I think some of your heaviest running action can happen in that time of year because there's fifteen bucks that only have one dough. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: I've had a case in point real quick, not to cut you off. December thirty first was the last day of Kansas deer season. This has been fifteen or more years. We saw a buck cross as we were leaving Kansas, the place that we hunted. A buck crossed over the two track, or a deer or dough sorry, crossed over the two track, and nine bucks were behind her right behind her. Rage. Yeah, that's sick. Yeah, And so that's nearly January. Yeah, you know what I mean, Yeah exactly. I mean it's it's going down sometimes. 00:48:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not maybe they're not as much in the seeking phase of course, you know, but like still if they feel like, oh I'm missing out, they're gonna come see what's going on. There's almost this level like, well, maybe you should make it just a little bit more intriguing. 00:48:58 Speaker 1: Well, And I think my point is, don't be afraid to start off quiet, right, especially in a thicker country, and then fifteen minutes, ten minutes nothing comes in. Yeah, amp it up a little more now. 00:49:09 Speaker 2: And I think there's a thing on this too that there have been some studies done by some questionable groups out there either way that potentially the age of the buck doesn't actually imply how much more breeding he gets to do. And maybe like there's some there's some like nuances to borrow a word from the you know, the academics out there to that data. But and I guess what I'm trying, I just go ahead and explain what I'm saying. There's a lot more one point fives on the landscape than there are three and a half or five and a half, right, Yep, but essentially each age demographic does the same percentage of breeding. 00:49:57 Speaker 1: From the stuff I've seen, So one point. 00:49:59 Speaker 2: Fives as a whole breed the same percentage of dose as five. 00:50:04 Speaker 1: Point fives because there's more of them potentially and maybe less less ratio of them are actually getting to breed. 00:50:11 Speaker 2: Maybe each individual one point five isn't breeding as much, but there are just as many fawn sired by one point fives as there are fawns sired by a five point five plus, And so all that to kind of bring it back to the point that you're making. 00:50:27 Speaker 1: You might have two spikes that. 00:50:29 Speaker 2: Are just you know, having a knockdown drag out over a dough that they are going to get to breed, and it might only sound like chopsticks out there. So just because you're rattling, and this is how this translates to deer, but just because you're rattling doesn't sound like you know, the barberar buck fighting the rampula buck. That doesn't mean that it's not something that's super intriguing to even a mature deer, because he there's a world where there's only two spikes there to breed that dough, and he knows that he could be missing out on that, and probably even more so, might feel really good about running in there being a boss. Yeah for sure, as opposed to you know, hitting two big old sheds together that sound like you know, railroad ties. 00:51:15 Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. So you've killed what day? Did you kill the twenty first in Kansas? Yes? And I killed the twenty second. Nick killed the twenty third. You killed a deer on the twenty third, I did. I killed a deer on the thirtieth when previous years, yeah, yeah, previous years. I killed the deer on the thirtieth. I killed a deer on the second of December. 00:51:40 Speaker 2: The deer that we're that we're putting out the video of right now was on the twelfth, I believe. 00:51:46 Speaker 1: So that's just say that's December. You know, that's gonna be about a two three week period, So from now till December. What's the what's the best thing to do to kill one of these late rut or you know, last rut top bucks. 00:52:11 Speaker 2: I would say this is going to be more conceptual, uh, but I think this is an important thing for deer hunters to learn, is persistence. I think that persistence kills way more deer than any one individual tactic giving up getting fat at Thanksgiving and me like, oh, it's all right, man, duck seasons here or whatever. You know, you will not kill a deer if you don't persist. That sounds very bold, right, But like if you only hunt four days in early November and then you're like, I don't know, man to kind of tire of this, and then you don't hunt, you're not gonna kill any deers. 00:52:44 Speaker 1: Deers, Oh my gosh, you're kill deer if you don't hunt. 00:52:48 Speaker 2: Uh so uh, I think that persistence is key in a situation where you were hoping that a deer is one hundred percent heat up on twenty five percent of the odds, if that makes sense, you. 00:53:03 Speaker 1: Know what I mean? 00:53:04 Speaker 2: Like, you killed a deer on like December thirtieth one time, that was pretty much evening cruising in an area where a lot of deer were hanging around, right, and so like they're still kind of thinking about the thing all the time. But he might have only done that like two days out of the seven day week that week, you know, and so you're kind of hoping to capitalize on. 00:53:32 Speaker 1: One still doing a thing. 00:53:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so if you're not persisting and spending time in the woods, then you're not gonna do that. 00:53:39 Speaker 3: Now you have to persist in a smart way. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: You can't be persistent by sitting in a dumb place, if that makes sense. You can't sit a field edge in the morning in late December, or you could and kill deer, but it's not going to be as effective as sitting down wind of doughbetting on a morning in late December, if that makes sense. You get what I'm saying there, Like you need to think about what the deer doing and then do the things to do that. Also being aggressive, making aggressive calling tactics, going to the places that you can put eyes on deer and make moves on them. I think that's a big deal. You've referenced that deer I killed on the twenty third a couple of years back. The reason I was able to kill that deer because I was able to see him. If I hadn't seen that deer, I would likely have not seen a. 00:54:28 Speaker 1: Deer at all that evening. 00:54:29 Speaker 2: But because I was set up in a place, it's fairly wooded in that spot, but I had some I had some lanes, you know, like just natural It's not like there was a cut layer anything, but it's just like a natural thing. And this is a thing I think actually is important for you to identify. If you hunt and timber pretty often you think about where like the spots are that you can see along ways, and be sure you check those places a lot. I mean, you might even be doing a rotation of looking at all those things, especially. 00:54:57 Speaker 1: If you're thinking about calling. 00:54:58 Speaker 2: But like, because I was able to see too dred and fifty yards plus one direction, this deer comes suit one hundred. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: And eighty yards. 00:55:03 Speaker 2: I crank on my grunt call as hard as I can because he's up win at one hundred and eighty yards and he does here, and he turns around, runs in to ten yards away in a shooting and so like not only being persistent but being able to capitalize on the moment and make good decisions. And quite honestly, the only way you're going to learn to make good decisions is to make some bad ones for sure. So get out there and try some stuff. Yeah, you know, I think that trophy hunting this late in the year might be a hard thing to do. You might need to think about what you're what you're willing to shoot and every single time you see when those deers try to kill him as hard as you can. 00:55:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think see that's a good point. I think that now is the time for sure to be aggressive. Like you can be aggressive in early November and you are usually that's just kind of hard of your nature is just go after it, be optimistic and try to get it done. But you know, there are some situations where not being aggressive, being conservative would be kind of the move, or even passive at times would be the move. But the later in the season it gets, the less chances you've got. So you know, yeah, you may have a chance in a week or three days from now to have a shot at that deer, but you know, you got to consider like family dynamics or you know whatever, with the holidays coming up, how much you're going to actually be able to hunt, you know. And you got to also understand that, like the weather is pretty volatile this time of year, which is a good thing at times, Right you get some good cold fronts that come through, it can change things for the better, or it can knock that deer off your property and put them somewhere else. Right, if you don't have the food, and a blister and cold front comes through, probably deer is going to push closer to food away from you, you know, So just thinking about stuff like that and being more aggressive, I think is a good a good thought. And I also would say that, like, you know, I think that we're getting to the point what's today, So like when this airs, it's going to be like the twenty seven, twenty eighth of November. We're getting to the point where there's not a ton of like in a lot of probably like classic states, right and some of like where we hunt, it's a little more this way and where like you might hear some of the people in retfresh in North Carolina and Tennessee, things are you know, those ruts are a little bit pushed back. So there's still lockdown going on in parts of the country. 00:57:28 Speaker 2: Currently in our neighborhood. I don't know if it gets much better than the dates we're in. 00:57:33 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, for sure, But I think that like a lot of the Midwest is starting to get even past that lockdown because there's not enough doze still needing to be bred that all the bucks are locked on. 00:57:43 Speaker 3: We're on the bottom end of the bell curve in those states. 00:57:45 Speaker 2: It's still a curve there, but like the flat line is within you can see it right. 00:57:50 Speaker 1: So you may have some bucks that are even starting to drop testosterone a little bit that might be getting I think a point or a funnel is a great place to sit right now. Don't get me wrong, but I would be more apt to know if I knew where dough family betting was like family group dough betting would being around that, and even people talk about being on the down wind side of that. I think that being between that and food is like pretty key, and I can say from experience that it worked for me with the one eyed Jack on December second. He was right behind the matriarch dough, coming right into food on a pretty pretty cold day after it had been snowing. It was the first kind of one of those first souths after and north days. And they're great. 00:58:41 Speaker 2: You're good at this, You've identified this early on. But food is it every day of deer season. I know people think about Bucks a lot and how bucks. I mean, the deer that I killed in Kansas not a lick of fat on He might be two percent body fat. I mean they hardly had any fat around Organs at all. No fat on his back. So he'd been running a lot and not eating hardly at all. And so people are like, oh, food doesn't matter, Well, guess what dose do? They don't change. They eat as much every day, right, they don't go, they don't those coming to estris, they don't rut. 00:59:19 Speaker 1: Right. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: So like, maybe there's a day where she doesn't get. 00:59:23 Speaker 2: To get eat as much because a buck is pushing her in a weird place, but overall, every day of that does life. She's gonna have the most advantageous food for her situation within her grasp, and so like it don't matter. 00:59:35 Speaker 3: November fifth, December thirtieth. 00:59:37 Speaker 1: Food is a thing. Yeah, And here's what's Here's what's nice about those is that if you're hunting between dough betting and dough food, those are very consistent, like you were saying, So you can a lot of times rely on the dough trail to be the trail they're on and blow your wind in a direction that you may not like you know what I mean? Like that, if you've got two trails in front of you and nothing behind you, you can pretty much expect that those doughs are going to be following those trails, and if bucks, you know, are searching for that stuff in the evening or whatever, they're going to come looking down those trails so that your wind is good. Whereas with bucks, if you're hunting like a pinch, sometimes the bucks will do crazy things and they'll just go down into the whole pinch, right up next to a creek or whatever. Say, there wasn't a big tree for you to hang in, you had a ten yard This happened to me and I alway, Actually it's like doing all kinds of weird stuff. Yeah, he freaks you out. He was fixing to come down end of me the dough. I don't know how she didn't get my wind by the time I shot, you know, and I was right next to that river, but like probably had about a ten yard buffer there and a bunch of stuff out in front of me and trails and stuff, and of course they go, you know, he's pushing her against the hard barrier there. So I think that that's one thing. I don't know if you can ever it's not you shouldn't ever plan for the ridiculous thing. No, for sure, I you should always have a shot at it. Yeah, that's that's how I hunt. That is how I set a stand. Is like when I choose a tree, I'm like, Okay, I want to make sure I've got what I think is going to happen covered and get shots at it. But if I can't shoot the thing that I think could happen but probably won't, then I got to move trees and find a better situation there. So it's a really good point. It's how That's how I pick trees a lot of times, is to make sure you've got a shot to the down wind side just in case. And it may not be the most comfortable or best shot or whatever, but as long as you have a lane there before a deer gets to your wind, then we're good and you can shoot the rest of it, you know, ideally. So I think it's a good point. I think that that. But that's why I like something that goes to food from dough betting is because you're going to have more consistent trails, and bucks are going to be following doughs cent trails. If they're not on the dough, they're going to be thirty minutes behind her, fifteen to ten minutes behind her on that same cent trail, and so they're gonna be walking that that trail, right, not walking some weird deal. Yeah, So I think that's why I like that situation a lot. And you know, again what you what you The point you made is being persistent and being aggressive or think I think are like very key this time of year because it can feel like groundhog day and just making sure you just keep going out there, you know, as much as possible, because that's how that one crazy thing pays off at and it goes in your direction. 01:02:30 Speaker 2: We might disagree on this, so I'm gonna see what your thoughts are. In general, I like mornings more than the evenings. You like evenings more than mornings. I think, especially this time of year, mornings and sitting later on the mornings is a big deal. 01:02:48 Speaker 1: I think that those bucks know that in the morning, the does are on. 01:02:54 Speaker 2: Their feet and they've been at the food at night and they're cruising around frankly trying to find one or they're on a group of dozs and they're just gonna hang out down wind of them until those does bed and those does bed My bed late. Because another thing we get this time of year is some kind of like monotonous type monoton's might be the right word, but like we get weather days that are very similar variables, and so those deer oftentimes are waiting on with the wind. 01:03:24 Speaker 1: To stabilize in the morning before they go to their beds. 01:03:27 Speaker 3: I washed it with my glass this past week. 01:03:29 Speaker 2: I mean, you'd see them up in a spot for forever, you know, nose around and whatever, and then finally like ten o'clock because they finally moved down to a spot, you know. And so yeah, I mean and Nick he got down at nine point forty and finally saw that dough in that book, you know. 01:03:44 Speaker 1: So like later in the morning is a big deal. 01:03:46 Speaker 2: And in verse on that, I think that in the evenings, there's a chance that these bucks have been up all night long chasing does around with those are on their feet. They spend a long time in the morning chasing doze around, and they might lay up for quite a while, and it might even get a little bit warm this time of year in the afternoon. 01:04:02 Speaker 1: You know, it's like kind of. 01:04:03 Speaker 2: Just the way these days are with sun out, So like your evenings, you might have a shorter window as to when the bucks do show up. So yeah, not that the evenings are not valuable, but I think that spending the time in the morning is a good thing for sure. 01:04:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think days are getting shorter too, so you know, I mean there you may pack lunch. It doesn't mean necessarily hunt all day, but it means that if you're gonna switch your stand, you may not have time to go back and do something and then come switching to tell you. But you know, there was probably like five days in the past two weeks. I wish we'd have had more food. 01:04:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guarantee you y'all had to bring us lunch twice, I think, And that's kind of a lockdown thing too, like we weren't finding our bucks until you know, late morning, and then if you're gonna make a stalk like that puts you like two or three pm sometimes before you're even like thinking about your afternoon hunt, and it's already time to go hunt at that point. 01:05:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And so yeah, I was definitely like in mornings on this last trip, but you know, a lot of it was because it was on the ground. So I think still I just love an evening hunt so much, like even this time of year, if the weather's not too hot, right, But I think you get those those days that you get that are high pressure and blue skies, like it cools off real quick at sunset, and I think those deer move around quite a bit. So as long as you get in there quiet and be close. 01:05:29 Speaker 2: You better know what your wind's going to do when the sun goes down, because it's gonna change thermal draw them draw is gonna draw down. If you can hunt near a creek or something of the evening, that'd be awesome. 01:05:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes it'll get so still that it would just almost do nothing. 01:05:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, you just draw your bow like thirty minutes before sunset and just draw, keep it all. Yeah, dude, situations, Yeah you were a draw lock. You remember seeing draw like advertised. Yeah, those are cool, but uh, this time of year, man, I've been in multiple hunts where like even just the slightest move the deer hear it. And I know that the quieter your camo system and all that, the better motion just makes noise. In general, drawing your bow, you know, it's almost like deer can feel the molecules of the air moving around or something when you're moving, you know, so like you just having a just keeping that in mind is probably a better thing than actually telling you how to deal with it. 01:06:31 Speaker 1: I think, you know, wearing fleece every little bit helps, you know, but wearing like some fleece the phase jacket, if you get like a day, like you said, it's kind of warm in the afternoon, you can put on a phase and it'll help you. But it ain't it ain't full person. And that Marinal furnace is quiet as I'll get out too. 01:06:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good for wind, you know, because wind just goes right through it. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: But as far as like you got noise covered a little bit, that's right. 01:06:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the insulation on it's real nice and nothing is super quiet. 01:06:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Those are a good Black Friday purchases. 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We talked about earlier UH late season, the late season right hunt really awesome. It was the I've watched thousands and thousands of outdoor deer hunting TV episodes and YouTube episodes and this was the bar nine the best post kill uh what we call post kill interview but just wrap up and thoughts that I've ever heard. It was really good. Thank you. I'm also the footage is pretty pristine, the kill shot and everything, just incredible sequence. I think was the best. I don't know, dude, I look back at it, I'm like, man, I think I've learned some stuff. 01:08:35 Speaker 2: Then let me tell you something rattling with another man's antlers is almost like wearing another man's underpants, you know. 01:08:41 Speaker 1: Like that's how you compare it. 01:08:42 Speaker 2: That's right, Sorry, Greg, Planes, I should tell that right quick. We were probably horn hunting last year, and we'd walked in in the dark to this place and we were walking out, uh prong hornless at like eleven and a pair of underwear just out on the planes. Greg goes to smiling us those years, Yeah, those are mine. 01:09:13 Speaker 1: How did they get there? 01:09:14 Speaker 2: I guess they were like they had clung to his calls or something from the dryer, you know, and they fell off whenever we. 01:09:22 Speaker 1: Were walking into the dark. Greggs underwears just out there. It's funny. They were pretty normal underwear. Thankfully. 01:09:28 Speaker 2: That's good lacy or something, would it for sure? 01:09:36 Speaker 1: Anyway? That's uh, that's some of the stuff we got going on. Uh, guys, so we can Thanksgiving, make sure that you guys are taking a second to think about what you're thankful for. We have so much to be thankful for here. If you were listening to a podcast about deer hunting, you got something probably to be thankful to you. 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