00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey and you're listening to the Element podcast. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: What's going on y'all? Welcome Ell the podcast brought to you by FirstLight Gear. We are doing a dual truck podcast. It would let me tell y'all something this is I love to pull the curtain back sometimes I don't know what I mean. Tyler Jones is in a different vehicle, So we are talking on the phone doing a podcast, and it just so happens, Like the way podcasts work is that we have these recording devices and headphones that allow us to then transfer the data of our conversations onto a disc, and then that disc goes into a computer and then gets uploaded the internet to where you can listen to it. Well, it just so happens that you have to have the headphones and the recording device in the same place. Well, Tyler and I departed our location today about one hour difference in time, and one of us had the headphones, one of us had the recording device. 00:01:17 Speaker 1: So Tyler Tyler is here. 00:01:20 Speaker 2: Is here, And Tyler may have done something that resembled a narcotics deal but wasn't on the way home today where he stashed a recording device at a bridge on Highway and then we picked it up about an hour later, and now here we are recording a podcast for the airwaves of the world. 00:01:45 Speaker 3: Not the first time it's been done. 00:01:46 Speaker 1: Man, it's not y'all stashed a drone one time too, didn't. 00:01:49 Speaker 3: You We picked up a stash drone. 00:01:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe a. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: Stash drone from a stashed guy one stashed ry brosted. 00:02:01 Speaker 1: Bo Tech due. 00:02:02 Speaker 2: What if there was a geocash location right there and somebody was like, wow, you find a drone if you go to this one. 00:02:08 Speaker 3: Oh that's sick. Yeah, yeah, I guess I'll put it back. 00:02:16 Speaker 2: Speaking of uh, you know, almost outdoors, That's what geo cashing is is like people that want to be outdoors but just can't quite do it. 00:02:24 Speaker 5: Man, if you want to talk about going viral instead of doing this killing stuff that we try to put on, you know, social media, you could do something that's called almost. 00:02:32 Speaker 3: Outdoors and make your channel. 00:02:34 Speaker 5: It's like geo cash in and eating cliff bars and climbing. 00:02:38 Speaker 1: The rocks, yeah, and metal detecting sick yeah yeah, And then you'd never get banned or anything. 00:02:47 Speaker 2: You never have a shadow band or those aren't those aren't real Sorry, Tyler, but. 00:02:52 Speaker 3: It looks like we're. 00:02:54 Speaker 1: We just entered another one. I don't know if you kind of notice that or not. 00:02:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: So go to the Element Instagram guys, if you haven't follow us, comment that way we can get out of our shadow man. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: Hey, I have also I have a call to action for people here. 00:03:08 Speaker 4: I would love I would love if people would. 00:03:12 Speaker 3: Give us a review if they're listening in Apple podcasts, how about that? 00:03:17 Speaker 5: I would like I would love that if you guys give us a nice five star review. 00:03:22 Speaker 3: Just helps us to reach more of the more of the deer hunting. 00:03:25 Speaker 5: Masses and that would be very much appreciated on our end for sure. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be cool. 00:03:32 Speaker 2: And while we're doing call to actions, I'm going to do a preface to a call to action that will soon be called. We've been getting quite a few messages about this stuff because it's hunting season and the Christmas time world is approaching. But Element merchandise will be available sometime soon. I got to email today that the stuff is done and don't go folet the market now, but we will let you know. 00:04:04 Speaker 6: Uh. 00:04:04 Speaker 2: And I'm kind of I'm just for the listeners who have sent us messages and stuff and letting you know, now, uh, that's that's happening real soon. So we appreciate your desire to support us. So thank you very much for that. And uh it is on the way, so thank y'all. 00:04:18 Speaker 5: One of the best, one of the best ways to find out on that stuff is available is to be plugged in on either. 00:04:23 Speaker 3: On Facebook or Instagram. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:04:27 Speaker 3: You know, Cases and Brag are riding in a chart together and they probably look at the app called. 00:04:33 Speaker 5: X formally known as Twitter more than anybody, uh in the hunting space, but they don't run it. They don't run an X profile for us. 00:04:41 Speaker 1: I try to do you. Yeah, when's the last time you posted yesterday? 00:04:46 Speaker 2: Really no, I was for a while and it was just getting so little traction that it was just tough. I mean, just what we do really isn't made for X on excess about your just politics and ridiculou videos pushing the video thing, and I don't know if it's still the thing or not. I don't know if he's still pushing. I mean, here's the thing. I didn't remember that, but uh I did listen to almost all of that. 00:05:16 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, did you turn afterwards. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: Uh no, but I thought it was funny how like, uh, they brought Elon's kid on for a second, it was like, that's kind of that's kind of funny. I don't know, very informal, Yeah, but yeah, Joe Rogan was just like, hey, there's a litle X or something like that, you know. 00:05:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, well his name. 00:05:40 Speaker 2: Is x a ae flux On or something weird, and they just call him X. So all of Elon's stuff is is named after his kiddo. 00:05:50 Speaker 1: That's why that's why X is called X. I guess yeah, p s A. 00:05:55 Speaker 2: People don't have kids with weird people. Yeah, yeah, kid's a real real person. 00:06:02 Speaker 3: For guy gonna put your podcasts in the dirt. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: Yeah no, I mean I think uh I h I like Elon, you know, caustiously optimistic about a lot of things right now. 00:06:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, happy post election week everyone. Yeah that's right. 00:06:26 Speaker 2: So election years are kind of crazy for us because a lot of times we're keeping up with what's going on while we are on the road and doing all kinds of hunting and stuff, and so we don't have enough time to really dive into too deeply. But it is Yeah, Greg usually knows Greg's on the podcast. 00:06:48 Speaker 1: By the way, Greg is here. Greg is here. 00:06:52 Speaker 2: I don't know, I've asked you. It's probably ten times. But your name your your name is Gregory, right, yes, so I got you? 00:06:58 Speaker 1: Okay. So, uh, which is funny. YEA a lot of them around. 00:07:08 Speaker 2: Huh they know, Uh that's ambiguous. Gregarious means they stick together. Yeah, that's right. Oh So this actually kind of touches on a thing that I'm going to write a book. 00:07:19 Speaker 1: Guys. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: You know, I've seen how filthy rich some people in the outdoor industry have gotten off of written books. Uh it's uh, well, I'm just speaking allegory. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: Just go with me. 00:07:32 Speaker 2: So there are some people in the outdoor world have gotten filthy rich off off of written books because they have like this blind support, and I want that. 00:07:43 Speaker 1: I want you all to blindly support me no matter. 00:07:45 Speaker 2: What I do. 00:07:45 Speaker 7: Right. 00:07:48 Speaker 2: So, I'm gonna write a book that's called The Ascent of the Academic Hunter, and it's gonna be all about how suddenly it's become cool to know all the big words about deer hunting and to know all these random facts and to think that, like you got to understand what the butterflies are doing in March, so you are more adequately prepared and more deserving of killing that deer in November. And it's gonna be kind of a tongue in cheek book. If you know me, you know my little tongue in cheek from time to time anyways. But yeah, that's kind of my current thing is, Uh, I want to push back a little bit on and I've been that guy. I like to know stuff. I like to be smart. I like to I want to be a smart guy. But like, man, if I've learned anything in the past week, one of the things has been that. 00:08:54 Speaker 1: It's good to have fun doing this man, you know, and that's. 00:08:59 Speaker 2: Uh, honestly, if you listen to our last podcast, I think we talked about the deer that Tyler killed and I was there to rattle for and that was just so much fun for me. I know, you and I had a little bit different experience within that because well, you knew he's big at the beginning and I didn't. 00:09:18 Speaker 4: You know, it's just. 00:09:19 Speaker 2: Kind of different. But like, man, that was kind of getting back to I don't know, it felt a little bit like what we used to do. Where's buck Truck eighteen eighteen? 00:09:32 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, uh, and I don't know. 00:09:37 Speaker 2: It's not that we've changed that much, but you know, we are, you know, doing this a whole lot. And you and I are separate more now than we used to be doing things, you know, because uh, we're trying to kill more deer. And it was cool to kind of share some time together and have a bunch of fun. 00:09:54 Speaker 1: We have eighteen whel trying to off the road in front of us, So that's always cool. Anyway, conversate for a little bit while I try to know. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: God, No, I think it is good, man, I think. I think That's what I've learned. 00:10:07 Speaker 5: Another thing I've learned this week is it doesn't matter how how smart you think you are and how many things you know about, and you know how deserving you are of that deer. Uh, You're still smart enough, only smart enough to get your tail of. 00:10:21 Speaker 3: My whole You know. 00:10:22 Speaker 1: That's right, man. 00:10:24 Speaker 5: You know, here's something that you and I have talked about quite a bit. You know, there's a lot of kind of worn out uh phrase phrasing or words or whatever you want to call it. Like, there's a lot of cliches in the outdoor space, right and as you have said before, uh, that deer ain't walking around. 00:10:49 Speaker 3: The woods thinking about you. That's right. You know, it ain't a battle you versus the deer. 00:10:53 Speaker 5: I mean it is. It is the you versus the deer. But the deer doesn't know that it's you versus the deer. 00:11:00 Speaker 1: Only you know that, you know what I mean, that you're not special to that deer. 00:11:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, the deer is special to you, but he's not thinking about getting away from you, the hunter. 00:11:09 Speaker 1: He's thinking about just living his life. 00:11:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of young, young dudes and their girlfriends. 00:11:15 Speaker 2: You know. 00:11:15 Speaker 5: I mean, she's specially you. She's pretty, but you're just nasty, you know what I mean. Period, So she don't she don't like you nearly as much. But really, so, you know, we always try to think about what we say. Right, The words that we use are important to just so, not that we don't mess up, not that we don't say things that don't make sense, but when we hear things that don't make sense, we either challenge each other. 00:11:40 Speaker 3: On it, or we challenge. 00:11:42 Speaker 5: The influencer or whoever that might be on it as well. Right, So, just so you know, when you sit in a tree stand for six days in a row or seven days in a row, and then you shoot a deer on a six or seventh day. That deer didn't finally mess up. He didn't finally slip up. That deer had slipped up probably several times a day, you know what I mean. Yeah, you just happened to be there well at a time when you were able to shoot him. 00:12:11 Speaker 1: It's not even that he slipped up. 00:12:13 Speaker 2: It's just that he was doing the thing he's supposed to be doing, and you happened to be in the right place to take advantage of the thing that he supposed. 00:12:22 Speaker 5: To have even made a good move right, like you might have even done the right thing. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little self deprecating, tell you the truth, just to say, like all the deer slipped up, like well, you know, you could say that you you know, learned something and you finally figured out how to get on him, you know. Uh so a couple of ways to look at that, for sure. 00:12:39 Speaker 5: I definitely think that like this this week taught me a lot of things because I was I was smart enough to get all upon this particular bug that was really big that I was hunting. But it didn't matter how smart I was at the end of the day, he kind of still won the battle being versus him, even though he wasn't attempting to. 00:12:58 Speaker 3: Win the battle. 00:12:59 Speaker 5: He just the overall battle of his life is to survive. So whatever that looks like, it could be winter, it could be it could be me, it could be the highway, you know what I mean. But he's still surviving. And it didn't matter how smart I was, over and over and over again, conditions and other things you know, ended up. I mean I would say, like maybe you could say you matched wits with him or whatever, but I don't think that he was actually attempting to outwit. 00:13:30 Speaker 3: He's attempting to outwit uh death, you know what I mean. 00:13:56 Speaker 2: You know, I thought it was pretty cool today We were leaving and we drove past the CRP field that you can hardly see a tree from, and there's just this rolling grass that's you know, probably white tail. 00:14:12 Speaker 1: Neck high. 00:14:13 Speaker 2: You know, you can see their backs, and about one hundred and fifty yards out there there is a four or five year old eight point you know, nothing special, just a cool buck, and he's got five dos and he's fending off a one point five and they are just doing the thing right out here and right just out in the wide open under the sun, and it's just a thing that I got to see and I love watching it. I told Greg, it's like I can watch this all day. It's so cool to watch them do it. And what's amazing to me is that they're a deer around the country doing that right now, and that how few people actually get to see them do the thing, you know, like. 00:15:01 Speaker 5: And that's I mean, and there's still people getting to see them here and there, and that's what it's special about this time of year, right like they do they do that, I mean, and you explain this to me the day I thought it was really good. 00:15:13 Speaker 8: But like, the testosterone levels are so high, it's like nothing you experience really as a human, probably like because our testosterone is a little more level over. 00:15:25 Speaker 3: Time, there's is you know, an annual cycle. 00:15:30 Speaker 5: So you know, it's so high right now that they let down that wit to survive, that wits against death that I was talking about right now, and things become different. And that's like, if you think about it, you know, we've had a chance to kind of take advantage of that that being taken, you know, that guard being taken down and Greg especially, you know, it was able to do something really. 00:15:58 Speaker 3: I mean, something that you don't get to see very all. 00:16:00 Speaker 1: Right, Yep, that's right, Greg. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: What did you see when? Because yeah, so I think what Tyler's referring to. The last time on a podcast we discussed the rattling and his deer, and we've been talking about the effectiveness in rattling, and we've even seen that more recent evening, as recent as today. But you hunted in South Dakota early, and then you hunted in South Dakota later, talk about like the changes you saw on the deer and then how that culminated. 00:16:39 Speaker 7: Well early season, I mean, there's hardly anything ruddy going on at all. I mean, the bucks are still traveling together, and I mean you could maybe grunt call one or something, but like rattling's kind of out of the question. But on our second trip to South Dakota, rattling was working pretty well. 00:17:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, almost like you can't believe it. 00:17:04 Speaker 7: Yeah, it was probably the best I've seen rattling work. And you have thought we were in South Texas brush country just rattling up bucks everywhere. But but uh, yeah, we you killed on day one, Tyler killed day two, and then I went out in the rain and I tried rattling that morning but didn't didn't rattle one up. But uh went back there that evening in the rain and just hunting over a scrape and a little pinch point. 00:17:39 Speaker 2: And did you did you know that scrape was there from scouting or did you find it when you were walking around? 00:17:44 Speaker 7: We well, we kind of as we rattled through the bottom, we scouted up to that point, and I was like, that's a good scrape. I'm gonna I probably want to come back here. And uh, that evening after lunch, we went kind of straight back to that spot. Got you because I felt really good about that spot. 00:18:02 Speaker 2: But yeah, I know, now this is something that people are going to kind of encounter here. We've were we seem to be getting these like kind of once a week rains, depending on where you are in the country. But I know there you know that happens throughout the fall. That day was like a really rainy day that you went back out. Yeah, and y'all, I feel like y'all kind of capitalize on like a weather window or you were trying to at least. 00:18:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, we were hoping the rain. 00:18:25 Speaker 7: Would you know, kind of let up as we were going out there, but it was it was pouring down pretty good while we were out there. Luckily we found a good tree to kind of get underneath and hunker down. 00:18:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, did Cup you get wet? 00:18:37 Speaker 6: He got a little wet, but yeah, he's all right. 00:18:40 Speaker 1: When you're twenty he can get wet, right, Yeah. 00:18:41 Speaker 6: As long as the camera doesn't get wet. What's the this is? 00:18:46 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, in case somebody is self filming or whatever. What's the move to keep a camera dry? The move to what keep a camera dry? 00:18:54 Speaker 6: Keep a camera drive? 00:18:55 Speaker 7: Uh, a rain jacket over the camera with like the hoodie kind of on of it. 00:19:00 Speaker 6: I like doing that. 00:19:01 Speaker 1: Whor it's pretty good. 00:19:02 Speaker 3: You know. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: We've done the Walmart sect a few times, but a lot of times that's a bad color and it's kind of loud. 00:19:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, a dry bag can work. 00:19:09 Speaker 1: Pretty dry bag is a good one. Yeah. 00:19:11 Speaker 2: Okay, So tell us about the set up and tell us how it all transpired. 00:19:15 Speaker 7: All right, So we get set up. We're just we have like no front cover. We're just all back cover up against this tree. There's some kind of dead limbs and logs laying down and I'm feeling pretty good about our cover. It's it's actually a pretty comfortable spot to sell on the ground too, you know. And the leaves are wet, there's no sound. I mean, you're completely quiet. It's a good setup. Yeah, and get set up, and it's raining and I'm just kind of like we're just trying to stay dry. I'm just I got my hoodie on and just trying to wait for breaking the weather. And now I finally see what I think is a break in the weather, and I start. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna rattle. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Well because it's slacked up or you watching radar. 00:20:00 Speaker 6: Watching a little radar. 00:20:00 Speaker 7: But then it like slacked up for a little bit, and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna start to rattle. But as I'm like about to start rattling, it's it starts coming down again. But I'm kind of already like committed to it, so I go ahead and rattle, and cupies filming back there, and uh, I'm probably I might have been forty five seconds into rattling, and all of a sudden, I see a flash of gray across the creek, working its way down into the creek, and I can't see the bottom of the creek, but I just know it's it's a buck like And so as soon as I say that, see that, I say, cuppy, there's buck and drop the rattling antlers, turn and get ready, and I know he's gonna come up over this bluff out of the creek and he's gonna be right on top of us when he comes over. And it probably wasn't twenty seconds later. You know, you see Times coming over the grass, and I draw back as soon as I see Times, because I know he's coming quick, and uh. 00:21:09 Speaker 6: Draw back and he is. 00:21:12 Speaker 7: He is going looking for the sound, like he knows exactly where it was, and he's coming straight to the base of the tree. 00:21:21 Speaker 6: And uh. 00:21:22 Speaker 7: He starts moving his way through the grass and he's getting close at this point, and he probably he gets about twelve yards just almost staring straight through us, and I grunt stop him, and he doesn't look at me, but grunt stop him. 00:21:39 Speaker 6: He stops at twelve yards and I shoot him right in the chest. 00:21:44 Speaker 7: And it was one of the coolest encounters I've ever had calling deer. 00:21:50 Speaker 1: You know, up to this point, it's pretty sick, man, It was pretty cool. 00:21:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, talk about talk about your talk about how you approached. 00:21:58 Speaker 4: Rattling in that in that moment, kind of how. 00:22:01 Speaker 5: You did it, what your thoughts were about, like making it sound like something that a deer we want to come to. 00:22:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like. 00:22:10 Speaker 7: I guess rattling, I always try to make it as realistic as I possibly can, even though I think I think just rattling probably works, But I always try to make myself feel a little better and like just kind of paint the best picture I can for that deer to like come in and you know, believe that there's a there's a party going on and he needs to be a part of it. So like I'll usually start rattling with like a couple of grunts, and then I'll give a snort, wheeze and give a little pause, and then I'll hit the antlers together. And I wasn't trying to do like a knockdown, drag out fight. I feel like if you hit the antlers too hard, you might kind of the two and a half year olds and three and a half years might be a little hesitant. I don't know, but uh, yeah, I was just not trying to do a n knockdown, drag out fight. And just trying to peak some curiosity I guess. 00:23:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it worked and the footage. 00:23:19 Speaker 6: Is, yeah, the footage is sick. 00:23:20 Speaker 7: It's in the rain, the water's coming off the arrow, and the fletchings just disappear in this deer's chest. 00:23:26 Speaker 2: I wish you shot that like a thousand frames per second. I mean, that's how cool it was. It is like it looks like you ever watched them cameo ads where it's like super unrealistic conditions that people are hunting in, you know, that's what they were doing. Y'all actually were the guys that, yeah, we're doing this film the commercial. 00:23:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. 00:23:45 Speaker 2: The time you shouldn't be out there, y'all were out there, and so it works pretty well. And talk a little bit about the shot placement stuff, because. 00:23:57 Speaker 1: The element is pro frontal. 00:24:00 Speaker 2: I would say, but I think that there's some some discussions that we've had off air we probably should cover a little bit about that. That way, it's doesn't seem like we're just like willing nearly flinging ears at the chest at fifty yards or whatever. 00:24:17 Speaker 7: Yeah, like the frontel I mean at twelve yards is it's it's not that hard you're in, like, yeah, it's like the deer's not gonna jump, and you put your top pen in Like he's so close that you can kind of look for the soft stuff like you can find you can find the like you can look on the deer like Okay, that's that's where it needs to go. 00:24:43 Speaker 6: Like you didn't have to. I didn't have to guess when I took that shot. 00:24:46 Speaker 7: And I don't what's your limited range that you would take a frontel cause like what what distance is? 00:24:58 Speaker 6: Not like you're gonna jump. 00:25:00 Speaker 2: I'm well, jump is a lot different, right, I mean twenty and in I feel really good about hitting real close to where you're aiming. Yeah, I mean I've seen deer jump at twenty. I mean it's shots on deers is always situational, right, And Tyler's really good at this. But like I really am not a jump predictor too much. I probably need to a little bit more. I think Tyler, you you haven't done it lately that I know of, but you kind of account for the drop often. But like I think that you know in general, especially on Midwest e or twenty an end in Texas, Dude, you can shoot at a dough at twenty yards and she can't. 00:25:46 Speaker 1: She might not be Yeah, yeah, it's insane. 00:25:49 Speaker 2: Right, So like that, all that stuff's kind of relative. I think that situationally, and you know this is me. Everyone make your own choices. I think that out to thirty yards, I could take a frontel if need be in kill a deer, but I don't want to do that, and it's definitely got to be the perfect situation. The other day, so I think that I'm not gonna call other people liars. 00:26:15 Speaker 1: I think that. 00:26:17 Speaker 2: Oftentimes if you're I think if you're trying to hunt hard and do good, came in with there, Sorry you were trying to hunt good? 00:26:26 Speaker 9: You you you run through all your options in your head, in the in the in the moment, like when when you're trying to make the best decision. 00:26:38 Speaker 2: The other day, I had that bucket fifty yards and I considered the frontal, but not long at all. It was just like a thing that went through my mind and I said, no, he's too far and that target's too small. 00:26:48 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it. 00:26:49 Speaker 2: But it's still like I thought about it, right, And I think that it's okay to say that you thought about it, but you chose not to do it. 00:26:56 Speaker 1: You get you get what I'm saying, Tyler, Where are you at? On? On like a distance on a frontal. 00:27:02 Speaker 5: Man A couple of thoughts I have in regards to is one thing, one thing that I have caught myself doing a lot more this year especially, but just maybe as I get older too, I get more about this. 00:27:15 Speaker 3: But I feel like my focus gets better overall. 00:27:21 Speaker 5: And I I I hardly ever am on my phone, like when I'm sitting there in the you know, waiting on deer to come by in a tree stand or whatever, Like I'm constantly thinking about what I expect to happen, and then what could happen, and then what those scenarios look like, and what I'm gonna have to do to get the deer. 00:27:42 Speaker 3: To stop at what ankle I might be shooting that deer at too. 00:27:45 Speaker 5: So I've got like I have like three or four scenarios most of the time in a tree that I think are probably going to or could happen. 00:27:56 Speaker 4: And so with that in. 00:27:58 Speaker 5: Mind, I run through those scenarios and over against so that like a lot of times, I don't have a whole lot of variables that surprise me in that moment, you know. 00:28:05 Speaker 1: What I mean. 00:28:05 Speaker 4: So yeah, I've kind of almost have lived it in my head when it comes to when it. 00:28:10 Speaker 5: Happens a lot of times, like like myself, Dakota Buck, I ranged I ranged those willows at forty three, uh before you started. 00:28:20 Speaker 3: Rattling, you know what I mean? 00:28:23 Speaker 5: And he because because the down it was the down win side. I mean, I ranged like two ranges in there. One of them was exactly where he ended up. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: You know. I just that's just having good making good predictions. 00:28:33 Speaker 5: And that's where like I've had conversations with people sometimes even recently. 00:28:37 Speaker 4: Where they're asking me my thoughts on something, and. 00:28:41 Speaker 5: I asked them their thoughts and they just like, oh, it just looks like a good place. Well, I mean a place that looks like a good place to kill a deer is all good. But if it's not, I mean, especially in like bed to food season, when it's not the rut, like, you gotta have a reason that year is going to come by you in. 00:28:59 Speaker 3: A directtion that that he's coming from, at least in your mind. 00:29:02 Speaker 2: Oh, I guarantee you. My first some of my first days of public plan hunting in Texas, I was just hunting stuff that looked deary and you know what I saw like doze at seventy and stuff like that, you know, And now I definitely can go zero at Texas Public plan, Like it's one of the easiest things to do as you go, not see it dear on Texas Public. But like, I definitely don't hunt the same stuff that I used to. 00:29:30 Speaker 1: I was telling Greg about this. I know a. 00:29:34 Speaker 2: Oh, a couple of people that are old enough to have birthed me who are hunting some Texas Public right now, and they aren't seeing a lot of deer, and it's because they're in open hardwoods, you know, looking for deer. Yeah, and I'm not being overly critical. I hope that they have wild success, but you know, it's just it's kind of difficult to see. 00:29:58 Speaker 1: Deer when you're not in the right spot. 00:30:00 Speaker 2: So yeah, being in the woods a lot helps a whole lot with that because then you figure this stuff out, you know. 00:30:07 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, I think I think that's right, man. I think that if you if you have the reason to be in a spot in your mind, then it doesn't surprise you when that deer comes in. If you just go sit in a spot in the woods and they can come from three hundred and sixty degrees? Got alle, How do you go through that many scenarios? How do you go through through that. 00:30:26 Speaker 1: Sixty You know what I mean? 00:30:28 Speaker 4: I mean you probably could. 00:30:29 Speaker 2: I know that's well, thank you, but I can promise you that's one of the hardest things about killing deer in wide open country is that suddenly there are three hundred and sixty degrees of approach for a deer to you, especially when you're calling I mean, which is what I've been doing a little bit of lately, like and you can narrow it down a little bit, but like like you're just explaining your scenario where you rattling that buck in South Dakota and shot him. Well that you knew that there is like two maybe three places the deer would come from. 00:31:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, trees dictated that. 00:31:04 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 00:31:05 Speaker 2: And when you the biggest tree is a daggum bush like two foot tall around you, you know, like suddenly things change. Like in fact, we're gonna jump ahead in the story a lot this morning. 00:31:18 Speaker 5: I didn't give you my thoughts. I didn't give you I don't know if you want me to or not. 00:31:21 Speaker 1: I don't have to but well, I thought you thought a lot there. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: Well, I gave you a lot of thoughts, but I didn't give you the actual thought you asked for it. 00:31:27 Speaker 1: Okay, give it to me. 00:31:28 Speaker 5: So I think, depending on this is you know not it's probably not something people in. 00:31:33 Speaker 1: The frontal goodness I ask that question. 00:31:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, depending on the size of the deer and the set, the situation. I'm just gonna go ahead and be transparent like I always. 00:31:43 Speaker 4: Try to be. But like, there are times later in. 00:31:45 Speaker 5: The season when I haven't seen my kids very much in the last three months that I'm. 00:31:48 Speaker 4: Like, man, if I could just get a hunt. 00:31:50 Speaker 3: You know, I'm on this hunt. I'm spending money, you. 00:31:53 Speaker 5: Know, and uh, I want to be here and I love it, but I also miss my kids tremendously. 00:31:58 Speaker 4: It would be really cool if I could leave the day. 00:31:59 Speaker 3: Or you know, this deer's sitting in at thirty two yards and he's big. You know, there's a lot of variables, right, So I guess what I'm. 00:32:06 Speaker 5: Saying is I feel comfortable thirty and in as well. But you know, I also there's a lot of variables, like how much I've been shooting my boat or you know, what what's the angle. 00:32:19 Speaker 4: That I'm set up at him? I pretty pretty you know. 00:32:22 Speaker 5: Low in the tree or whatever. You know, how does that all work? And then I think another thing I would think about is there's there's a lot of up and down on a frontel. 00:32:32 Speaker 3: There's not a lot of left and. 00:32:34 Speaker 4: Right probably, So I think. 00:32:36 Speaker 5: When a deer jumps the string on a fronnel, if he jumps the string a little bit, then I think you can still be in a pretty good situation if it's a dead on frontel. 00:32:46 Speaker 4: And I think that. 00:32:48 Speaker 5: Most broadheads will go through that sternal area just fine. 00:32:52 Speaker 4: And then anything from thereup. 00:32:55 Speaker 3: Is pretty soft and got a lot of vital stuff in. 00:32:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said left and right, the left and right. You might just go muscle if you if you're too high, you know, which you don't want to do, because then you don't kill the deer and he's got a big old wound and he might die later. Yeah, Like that's not good. 00:33:13 Speaker 5: I think you you gotta you gotta be honest with yourself. 00:33:16 Speaker 3: And I think whatever you think that you can shoot. 00:33:19 Speaker 5: Well in the yard, he probably could take twenty yards off of. 00:33:22 Speaker 4: It at least. 00:33:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I don't think it's half like a lot of people say, it might be for some people, it depends. 00:33:29 Speaker 1: I mean, you got to know how buck fevery. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: You get, you know, like I I mean this, I'm trying to not trying to brag, but I'm like a two out of ten on buck fever. 00:33:37 Speaker 1: Like I just I don't get it too bad. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: I get excited, don't get me wrong, but I'm able to channel that into you know, the situation and then afterwards. 00:33:44 Speaker 1: I'll lose my mind. 00:33:45 Speaker 2: Right, But like if you're the kind of guy that loses it, like for one, that's cool. 00:33:49 Speaker 1: Okay, don't don't le anybody tell you it's not. 00:33:51 Speaker 2: It's awesome that you get that excited, but you just got to know that, Like, hey, thirty five is pushing it for me, you know. 00:33:58 Speaker 5: If we've got to We've got some friends that are I mean, especially when I can think of that's pretty moderate on his how it feels comfortable. Yeah, and I think he has some muck fever, and so that's good, you know. I mean, it's good to be a little bit maate. But you know, I think that's a good reason to get out in that yard and practice sixty seventy eighty yarders. 00:34:16 Speaker 3: Because then it starts to make that. 00:34:18 Speaker 5: I mean, but you know, like forever I was, I was forty was the farthest I ever shot, you. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, even in the yard well, and as a tree stand hunter, that's a little bit different, you know. 00:34:28 Speaker 1: You. 00:34:28 Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a ton of tree stands. Like if you especially if you pre hung your sets, You're you're trying to set for twenty five yard shots in the end. 00:34:38 Speaker 1: You know. 00:34:38 Speaker 2: It's just kind of how it's like what's smart to do? Right, But like, yeah, dude, on the ground, if you're out there chasing two hundred and eighty pound white tails around on the ground and you're like, oh man, I think I can hit that, and then you range it, it's his one oh seven, you know, like it's like it's just a different world, you know. 00:34:55 Speaker 5: It's Yeah, well, go into what you're talking I mean, that's a good bridge. Go into what you're talking about, because I just want to give my two cents on it. I mean, I think everybody's gonna make their own decision on the frontal man, because you can definitely mess it up left and right real easy. 00:35:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I guess what I was gonna cover. 00:35:09 Speaker 2: Was how on the ground an open country deer can kind of come from anywhere, even like what would seem to be down wind, and in fact, oftentimes what would seem to be down win because those deer trying to get your scent if you're calling to them, I mean, unless he's like as rutted up as possible, which. 00:35:28 Speaker 1: Very well can happen. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: But usually a buck that's called to just like your South Dakota deer and Gregg's deer honestly was probably going to try to do that, but I mean it's just you know, y'all kind of had him a little bit in a pinch or whatever. 00:35:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're. 00:35:44 Speaker 2: Gonna try to loop around get down win. And this morning I saw a buck. We got to a glass and knob. We did a little truck chilling I think you call it eating a heat this morning where we got to our spot pretty early because we. 00:36:02 Speaker 1: Didn't want to bump deer out of the fields. But we kind of. 00:36:04 Speaker 2: Sat in the truck for probably fifteen minutes twenty minutes just staying warm, and then we walked out, you know, our hoole in tenth this morning was to Glass and then maybe make moves on deer. So we weren't trying to get to our spot like in the dark, you know, because you can't glass for a while. 00:36:19 Speaker 1: So we got out there about the time that you could see. 00:36:22 Speaker 2: And sooner, sure enough, whenever we just get to our glass knob, I'll look down and there's a buck on the cruise and I could just see a flash of him until that just from his body that he was big enough to consider, I didn't really know what he was. And I told Greg, hey, I want to go get a better look at this deer. Let's just go rattle at him and get him to come up here. Because he disappeared kind of behind a hill. So we run down the hill and get set up in the brush. 00:36:49 Speaker 1: And start to rattle at this deer. 00:36:51 Speaker 2: And he had gone down a ditch, and I thought that he would come right back up that ditch. Well, lo on my hold, this deer does not do that. He comes about ninety degrees from there over the hill. I think he heard us down there, and instead of just coming straight to us, he probably made a big ol' loop out to come around and try to get our win. Because he comes over the hill at like fifty and then starts kind of throwing his head back trying to get our scent. He saw us over there, and then he starts throwing his head back trying to get her sin ends up. It's a deer that I don't want to shoot. He's I mean, he's borderline. He's a big, big buck and it got me pretty excited. But he had a broken G three like right at the beam and then maybe like a broken G five on his right side, which was interesting, but just like really a great four year old, a good deer to see next year. But and all that, I just thought it was kind of fitting for what we're talking about about how they can come from so many directions when you're out there on the ground calling, and it's probably a good thing for us to just cover in general. Maybe a little bit of thoughts behind calling it deer, because I know you've done a little bit of this week, and you've done some decoy into which. 00:38:07 Speaker 1: I haven't done a lot of. I'd love to hear more about that stuff. 00:38:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean the I didn't do a ton of calling, uh this week, but I did a lot of decoying, and you know, I had a very particular target this this week, and a really what I think is a really extremely old buck. 00:38:52 Speaker 3: But he's he's big, uh antler wise for sure, but. 00:38:58 Speaker 5: He looks he's kind of skinny, like you know, he he's really old and you know, on the decline or something like that. 00:39:06 Speaker 3: So anyway, his hawks are not very dark. 00:39:10 Speaker 1: And I don't know. 00:39:12 Speaker 3: All week, I mean, I had some close. 00:39:14 Speaker 5: Encounters with him, and I just didn't think he was that interested in doze at all. But I carried around a two dimensional buck decoy a lot too, and it covered me pretty well if I got caught, But the buck always went away and I should have gone away from it sooner, and I debated it over and over again. 00:39:33 Speaker 3: I just never did. 00:39:36 Speaker 5: And I also think that the two dimensional decoy I have, even with the. 00:39:41 Speaker 3: Antlers off, kind of looks like a buck. 00:39:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I just don't I don't know if it matters a ton, but I will say that I used I used a doe decoy, like a full body doe decoy that Dave Smith, you know, hand painted for me. I mean a good fellare, I mean, he just he made this one special. 00:40:08 Speaker 3: I think. Anyway, at least they day, I feel like that. 00:40:12 Speaker 5: It's a really awesome looking dove decoy, and she's kind of like ears back, relaxed, and. 00:40:19 Speaker 3: I ended up having we sat. 00:40:22 Speaker 5: We put her up real high so she was kind of skyline easy to see this whole drainage, and Cuffy and I are sitting right below her, kind of in the shadows of this hill, like probably four or five yards belower, and you know, you could see. 00:40:38 Speaker 10: Us probably, but I had the I had the two dimensional buck decoys sitting up there with me, but it was laying back, and I didn't think that deer could really see it. But those antlers are pretty stark white, so I guess it turns out if they could. 00:40:52 Speaker 3: I had the big target buck. 00:40:53 Speaker 5: Come through, and he turned and looked, and I just wonder if I would have been hiding that buck decoy, if I would have been able to pull it off. But I think he sat there and stayed for a minute at eighty five yards. 00:41:06 Speaker 3: And then kind of hurried off. And I mean, I think he's also just you know, and very wise, dear, Like I. 00:41:14 Speaker 5: Think he's been around and seeing some hunters and different stuff and knows the property really well. 00:41:20 Speaker 3: And what things look like. And I think he just didn't like it, and he's times this week. He also moved into the wind. 00:41:28 Speaker 5: So much it kind of blew my mind how much he would move into the wind. 00:41:33 Speaker 3: So anyway that happened, he runs off. 00:41:37 Speaker 5: I'm disappointed, But there's still this big six point on the drop time that's been hanging around, and I can. 00:41:42 Speaker 3: Still see him over on the hill. 00:41:43 Speaker 5: Well, he kind of walked the same path about twenty minutes later that bet Buck Walter fifteen minutes later and ends up going over this little kind of ridge on the same spot. 00:41:54 Speaker 3: And he ends up turning and looking back at us, just like the other here head and he stares for a. 00:42:01 Speaker 5: Second and maybe like a minute, and then he turns and looks straightforward, so like ninety one hundred and ten degrees from. 00:42:11 Speaker 3: Us, and he starts licking his nose. And now I'm like, oh, here, who comes? 00:42:15 Speaker 5: And he turns back to us and pins his ears back from eighty five yards and he walks right at us. 00:42:23 Speaker 3: Okay, he can see the deer, he can see the buck decoy for sure. 00:42:27 Speaker 5: That's how I know how I knew, you know what I mean? Yeah, And it was it was scary. I was I didn't, man, I shoot. I mean he's an awesome old buck pot belly, uh and kind of probably on the decline. 00:42:41 Speaker 1: He just takes a picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:42:45 Speaker 5: And I mean he comes like pretty much can see him the whole way, but he kind of dips into this little spot at like forty yards maybe fifty yards, where I can't really see his head, I can see his antlers. 00:43:02 Speaker 3: Definitely could have. 00:43:03 Speaker 5: Drawn and shot him at you know, point here here a few seconds later, but he just walks a straight line, just stiff legged. And as he comes back up and gets individual of us at like thirty five yards from there, for he's just bristled up, his ears pinned all the way back, and he's coming straight at me and CuPy. 00:43:22 Speaker 3: Because the decoy is right behind us. 00:43:24 Speaker 5: And I'm just like I started thinking about, like what am I gonna have to do to keep this gar off of CuPy? 00:43:31 Speaker 3: You know, especially considering CuPy looks. 00:43:33 Speaker 1: Kind of like a dough That's what I wondered, if that's what it was. 00:43:37 Speaker 3: But I he's in the pastor seat, so I had to say that. 00:43:42 Speaker 5: But anyway, at about twenty yards, he kind of veers off and he's going to go to the down wind side of us, and the wind's kind of blowing back towards the dough, but he's going to go that kind of down wind side. So he walks within probably ten ten yards, and he starts walking up this little knoll that we're sitting up laying up against, and he's I mean, he's at like seven yards probably, and he kind of loops into the wind, probably gets about six yards, and he's probably closer to the decoy. He's probably like four yards from the decoy and right over the top of us, where I mean we can barely see him, kind of over our shoulders, and he just hits our wind and stops and it just it takes off, and it was it was awesome, man Like that combination worked really well for a deer that still has testosterone flowing pretty freely. But that other buck just did not want to five bucks. I just I mean, I saw it all week, So I think he just knows. 00:44:36 Speaker 2: I think he's old enough. I am convinced he's old now. I for a long time was thinking that maybe he was young, like a big young buck. But I'm convinced he's old now. After you've had some encounters with him and got some footage of him. 00:44:49 Speaker 1: But I think. 00:44:51 Speaker 2: That that deer's old enough to have figured out that he can go down there and brawl and hurt yourself and breed some dough, or you can just wait on the one that smells perfect and you don't have to do anything about it, you know. He like because I think you'd said that you saw him kind of bump some does around this morning, but he didn't put a lot into it, you know. And it's because he knows that those does aren't receptive yet, so there's no use in messing with it. 00:45:17 Speaker 3: Man. 00:45:17 Speaker 5: I think that full body dough decoy could work for me, for sure. It's just, you know, a full body decoy like that in such wide open, big country like can be hard to haul around and I have. But the problem is, like you got to haul it in somewhere and then hope that it's set up in a place where he's gonna come by and see it, because if he's six hundred yards away going up another drainage, then it's gonna be hard to just haul that decoy, you know, six hundred yards eight hundred yards to get set up where you know you're in his way or whatever. 00:45:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's not nearly as mobile as a two dimensional one. 00:45:53 Speaker 5: I feel like if I had a two dimensional dough head that could work really well too. 00:45:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, we might get arrange that. It just my should. 00:45:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just reading reading the deer's you know. 00:46:04 Speaker 5: And then what's difficult about it is if you only have one opportunity at it here, you know, you don't know, you don't know if he's old, if he's if he's passive, or if he's you know, going to be fired up and try to eat a buck. 00:46:17 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 00:46:18 Speaker 3: So that's that's the you know. 00:46:21 Speaker 5: If you get enough chances, you're going to find a deer right now that wants to eat a buck. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: De boy, So let's talk about that. 00:46:27 Speaker 2: I think that a large portion of the white tail world dreads so called lockdown. We pretty much hunted the lockdown all week and it was awesome, I felt like. And part of that is because we're in fairly open country. But I think that even in the Timber I've been thinking about this, man. I think even in timber country, if you approached it right especially, I'm just gonna give it the tact that I think would work. I would like to try this one day in lockdown in timber country if you have a lot of ground to rome, so it's probably gonna require public ground unless you have just a big chunk of private that you can access. Still hunting and like finding books that are doing the lockdown thing and then do the same thing that we do now, and that's like messing with them. 00:47:15 Speaker 1: I think I think it could be really effective. 00:47:17 Speaker 2: I think that you just you gotta The problem with lockdown is not that the deer don't exist, it's just they don't move very much. And so where we are you can spot them in the morning and watch them go lock up and then go make a move on them. Well, no, timber, you potentially could work with the wind in your favor through quite a bit of timber glassing as you're moving around, and you very well Mike could find them and do the same exact thing. 00:47:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be cool. 00:47:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, it would be for sure. 00:47:45 Speaker 5: Man. 00:47:45 Speaker 3: I think you can I have an e pull off for sure. 00:47:47 Speaker 5: I mean you could treat it a lot like how you know, I killed myself to Kotabug, where we we were working kind of pocketed cover to pocket to cover and especially once we got into where we kill them. We were like, this is really good. We shouldn't go much or they're just getting us fine out opening and set up and call it. 00:48:03 Speaker 3: You know, you probably sound public. You want to see you know how. 00:48:07 Speaker 5: You feel about your chances of living with a decoy you know flash but uh it can be a little shady. 00:48:13 Speaker 1: But yeah, in deep and uh. 00:48:17 Speaker 3: Wearing some blaze of orange or something, you feel good about it. 00:48:20 Speaker 5: I'm not trying to condone going and doing it because it's kind of it is kind of scary, but we have done it before. 00:48:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know so, and. 00:48:30 Speaker 2: You uh you might could you know, maybe not even use a decoy, but use some aggressive calling tactics that might would you know, well, all your stories but people that shoot it sound and you know, if you're if you're worried about that, then uh, I guess Greg's the only guy I know it might be needed to worry about that. Greig got shot at one time on public lands. 00:48:53 Speaker 7: Well, they didn't think I was deer. I was just they were like it. 00:49:00 Speaker 5: I love I love hunting big old chunks of public and having room to roam. I mean, that's one of the coolest feelings that you know you can have as an American. I feel like, honestly, you know, like a place that you can just go roam around on land that you're you know, you have every right. 00:49:14 Speaker 4: To be there. 00:49:15 Speaker 3: That's cool, but people scare me sometimes, you know. 00:49:19 Speaker 2: And so. 00:49:21 Speaker 3: The goal and another. 00:49:24 Speaker 5: Good reason to be you know, I guess proud to be an American. 00:49:30 Speaker 3: Would be to find some private that you. 00:49:33 Speaker 5: Can roam around on, you know, and not everybody, but if you have a goal to do. 00:49:39 Speaker 3: That, you know, I mean, you can have a goal to go on. 00:49:42 Speaker 5: A moose hunt, or you can have a goal to find some private land. 00:49:47 Speaker 3: That's you know, nice hunt, or you can just be friends some people in. 00:49:52 Speaker 5: An area that can give you a lot of private land to hunt. 00:49:55 Speaker 4: You know. 00:49:56 Speaker 2: That's I mean, there's a lot of stuff to that, and I can tell you this, I've hunted a good bit of both. And you know, public land isn't as bad as some people make it out to be, but private land is really good. 00:50:08 Speaker 5: I mean, just getting if you're on the ultimate experience, Like if you want to have the best experience. 00:50:14 Speaker 3: You can have, yeah, uh, probably hunt private land. 00:50:18 Speaker 5: You can, I mean, oh yeah, I can all honestly, like, what if you can, if you can hunt Ted Turner's place, wouldn't you want to do that? 00:50:24 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 00:50:25 Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. I want you bad. 00:50:28 Speaker 2: It may have some time, who knows, but I think that uh, you know, kind of back to how we open this, it brings up an interesting point where that deer is and sitting around thinking about you. However, on public land, oftentimes the deer's movements, patterns and just general not persona or what whatever that word is. You know, like the way they act is molded by human pressure more. You know, they're not thinking about one guy. But deer that are on a piece of ground that gets hunted by hunters a lot like a lot of hunters. Uh, those deer don't act like deer do in nature, if that makes sense. They are they act like deer that receive a lot of hunting pressure. You go up to a piece of private ground that's kind of just yours and it's decent sized. I don't know, depending on where you're in the country, that means something different, right, but say like say you're in uh, Missouri and you got three hundred acres, like you're gonna see deer on there do like some really cool stuff you know that you don't get to see on like a piece of public in East Texas. 00:51:46 Speaker 1: And honestly, you get to learn a lot because you get to watch deer a lot, you know, and it's it's actually really cool. 00:51:51 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that, Uh that's a that's a good point to make, man, is that you know, if you want to really have the experience, Uh, private land is a good place to have it. 00:52:04 Speaker 4: For sure. 00:52:04 Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm not anti public or nothing. 00:52:07 Speaker 5: I'm I killed one the only dear I've killed has been on public this year. 00:52:13 Speaker 3: And so I love it. 00:52:15 Speaker 4: I love doing that. 00:52:16 Speaker 3: But when you start getting into calling, you're getting the rut and you get into gun seasons and stuff. Man, just there's some crazy people. 00:52:23 Speaker 2: I had as you and I had to walk a mile and a half or more to kill that deer rattling in this morning, Greg and I had to walk three hundred yards to rattling a deer, you know, like that's. 00:52:37 Speaker 4: Mean, Kopy, It was a different story for us. 00:52:40 Speaker 3: It was it was man for sure that we did three miles this morning. 00:52:44 Speaker 1: I watched you through the binos. 00:52:45 Speaker 2: It looked like y'all are doing some stuff, and a lot of that was doing the creepy creepy you know, like. 00:52:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey, yeah, I I. 00:52:54 Speaker 2: For sure almost got caught on a show camera today, did yeah because there was this ap right there and it's like I'm gonna peeing that's great and uh and like right is about I started to, uh let her fly. I was like, you know, I better like turn my hips just a little bit more here, or I wish. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: I wish we had that blackmail on you. Yeah. 00:53:19 Speaker 1: Well I have a funny joke there. We're not gonna say it. 00:53:24 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna definitely have to download a high reds. 00:53:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:53:33 Speaker 2: The funny thing is that you'd have to get video to get a high res on these you know, my whole another dealt even better. Uh I I do like the video aspect on these cameras, though, Man, I feel like I learned a little bit more because of the video. 00:53:47 Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. 00:53:49 Speaker 2: Uh cool, Well, that isn't the summation of what we've been doing this last week, but that's a taste. 00:53:56 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:53:58 Speaker 2: I think we should just we should tease a little bit of the video aspect of this because we're not exactly sure, but I think we're thinking that we're gonna get some of this crazy road action stuff out pretty quick. 00:54:11 Speaker 1: Uh and maybe like in a raw, like pretty fun way. 00:54:15 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. If you ever remember the old p l C days, I see people on Instagram talking about you know, element podcast o g listeners or something like that. 00:54:25 Speaker 1: You know, like if you remember the public Land Chronicles days. 00:54:29 Speaker 2: We aren't gonna call it that, but it's gonna it might it might feel like that, but with actually deer in it. 00:54:35 Speaker 1: That's that. That's what it's gonna be like. 00:54:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Yeah, it'll be cool. 00:54:40 Speaker 1: Yeah cool? 00:54:41 Speaker 2: Uh Tyler especially, I didn't have as many encounters this week as you did, but uh, I had some, had a good week, but I was I was hanging in a. 00:54:52 Speaker 1: Tree more and waiting on the deer to come by me. 00:54:55 Speaker 3: And uh, hey, let me ask you a question real quick. 00:54:58 Speaker 5: Sure, because you were talking to about, you know, public landeer being influenced by multiple encounters with people. 00:55:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:55:05 Speaker 5: How And I'd like to hear Greg's two cents on this too. I know there's some variables here, but is a is a public land buck? 00:55:20 Speaker 1: Uh? 00:55:21 Speaker 3: Does he have less tolerance for an encounter with a person than a private land buck or. 00:55:30 Speaker 5: More tolerance or is it dependent on the book and not necessarily the place that that buck is. 00:55:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of variables. 00:55:42 Speaker 2: My my first take is it kind of depends on that buck's individual encounters with people in his life, and you know, if he feels like he's been in danger from humans at some point in time, then it might matter. 00:55:59 Speaker 1: It also matter's a lot on the piece of public. 00:56:03 Speaker 2: We have hunted a piece of public that the deer see people all the time, and yeah, they're gonna run. 00:56:11 Speaker 1: You know, they're not gonna They're not like park. 00:56:13 Speaker 2: Deer, but they're constantly seeing people and they're super jumpy, I think because they get airs flung at him a lot and stuff. But I don't think it affects their movement patterns too awful much. 00:56:25 Speaker 1: Whereas like, I don't know, man, I think that maybe some especially like in. 00:56:31 Speaker 2: The Midwest, if you're not hunting in the rut and you're in a deer core area and all of a sudden you have this big intrusion and he smells you. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: And that's another thing too, Man. 00:56:40 Speaker 2: I think smell is way way way worse than being seen, like way way way worse. 00:56:47 Speaker 1: If you get seen. 00:56:50 Speaker 2: I just their brains don't work like ours, right, they just know it's not a deer and they're like, I don't like that. 00:56:54 Speaker 1: I'm out of here. 00:56:56 Speaker 2: If they smell you, they they know it was bad, And I think that's a that's a huge difference maker. They that kind of was like a broken answer, Greg, you got more? 00:57:05 Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah, I think smell is definitely the worst, and especially if they get if they hear you, see you, and smell you, that's a trifecta. 00:57:14 Speaker 6: Yeah. Uh but uh. 00:57:18 Speaker 1: Tylarant Cuvey almost got tasted the other day. 00:57:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, this morning, but he was drinking really close to me. 00:57:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:57:29 Speaker 7: Yeah, but uh, I think I don't know the I guess a deer them public that gets rattled at every day or called to every day, he's probably less fired up to come running in and checking out. That sound like if you go to private land that you know they haven't been called to at all, and you give them a calling sequence there, they might come charging in, Yeah, without even swinging down wind or any thing. 00:58:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:58:02 Speaker 3: Man, that's a good thought too. 00:58:03 Speaker 5: It's funny because I know where y'all hunt, and so I like when y'all answer questions. I know exactly where y'all are, what y'all are thinking about property? 00:58:15 Speaker 3: I know exactly like. 00:58:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh so what do you think does it matter? Is it more deer dependent? Is it more property dependent? Is it more type of encounter? 00:58:29 Speaker 1: Or I learned. 00:58:34 Speaker 3: That's for sure thing? But like say it again, I learned a lot this week. 00:58:39 Speaker 5: And I mean the smell thing is definitely a thing the you know that's more intense. 00:58:46 Speaker 4: Uh spookage. 00:58:47 Speaker 3: And but like I may have I may have learned a lot about a certain a certain I learned about deer. 00:58:58 Speaker 5: Hunting or whatever maybe or even the way to answer this question, but like I think that. 00:59:07 Speaker 4: Like that, here's what Here's why I. 00:59:08 Speaker 3: Asked the question is because the year that I hunted this week, he I. 00:59:13 Speaker 5: Mean, he had a big, a big area that I saw in bed End if you include this morning especially, I I feel like like I ranged where he was vetted this morning, uh from where about where he vetted? Uh I several times on this hunt and he it was a mile Yeah. 00:59:38 Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know if I mean I think that that's an open country thing. 00:59:44 Speaker 5: But that could easily be a deer that's you know, in the big woods too, or in in the regular woods in Nag country whatever. 00:59:54 Speaker 3: So like I think I also was on this. 00:59:57 Speaker 4: Buck every day. 00:59:59 Speaker 3: I don't know how I was making the right moves, just couldn't seal the deal. 01:00:04 Speaker 5: But like I was, I was on him all week, I was in I was inside of twenty yards twice on. 01:00:10 Speaker 3: This steer and couldn't get him killed. 01:00:14 Speaker 5: And so I don't know exactly how to explain it, but like I feel like he betted in the and utilized the same area a lot, despite getting bumped a couple other times. Yeah, And I wonder if that was because he is old and that's what he knows is. 01:00:31 Speaker 3: The best place for him to be. 01:00:32 Speaker 5: And he and you know, it's kind of like what he talked about before, where like if you bump a buck and he survives, then he knows that's maybe a place that he, you know. 01:00:41 Speaker 3: Can see danger coming or whatever. So I don't know if it's. 01:00:45 Speaker 4: That or what. 01:00:46 Speaker 5: And maybe, but I would I would almost just I would almost say that one of the biggest factors to have behaves to getting bumped is its personality. 01:00:57 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know if. 01:00:59 Speaker 5: It's necessary they depend up because you know, you bumped a big deer think yesterday, yeah, and didn't hardly see any deer in that area this morning, right, yep, yep. 01:01:10 Speaker 2: I I had an opportunity at the biggest buck of my life yesterday, and I made some good decisions and it was just we got beat by the deer. 01:01:22 Speaker 1: Uh. 01:01:23 Speaker 2: And that's okay, it happens. But he saw us, didn't smell us, but got weird, had a harem of doze, and they all left out of the country and they did not return. So that a couple of things that can happen in the rut. He can go to the food source at night and they have a party up there, and then he goes where the ladies go. 01:01:48 Speaker 3: You know. 01:01:49 Speaker 1: Uh, So, do you think. 01:01:51 Speaker 5: The ladies had enough of you or do you think that's just they just standed up somewhere else because they get dulled or whatever. 01:01:59 Speaker 2: It's impossible to tell the ladies. The ladies were definitely pretty spooked, but the ladies do that. They get spooked from all kinds of stuff. You know, they were spooking from something else before we saw him, you know, so like a cow or a coyote or another see. 01:02:17 Speaker 1: I think the rut plays a big part of this too. 01:02:19 Speaker 2: I think back to the original question about like what happens when you spook a deer. I think that this time of year, they're really forgiven, forgiving because stuff happens every day all the time. There's always a two year old that's messing around, there's coyotes. I mean, it's just chaos right now in the deer woods. If you're not there, you need to be, And so like there's this thing whereas like if it's October twelfth and it's the most milk toast date of the year when it comes to deer hunting and you spook a big buck, it's not good. 01:02:49 Speaker 1: But it's not good. Brother, he is probably out of there, you know. 01:02:53 Speaker 2: But along with the chaos of the rut is he might follow does to a completely. 01:02:59 Speaker 1: He might find a whole different group of those at night. 01:03:01 Speaker 2: You know, he's the king, so who knows what he decides to do in the morning. I do think that the area of that buckets you was using that day as an area that they frequent. In fact, I think you had an encounter with this deer earlier in the week and you were in a similar area, Like it wasn't too far away, so I think he'll be back. I guess it is my long story short there. Uh, there's just there's this also this thing where I think people love the story of the parking lot deer, Like all that deer should say right by the parking lot, and he knows when the hunter's in the woods, you. 01:03:36 Speaker 6: Know, Like I. 01:03:38 Speaker 11: Think that that is a coincidental thing where that's also the best habitat and that's the best place for a deer to bed, and it just so happens as close to a parking lot, and it probably doesn't happen near as often as what you think it does. 01:03:54 Speaker 1: But yeah, deer. 01:03:55 Speaker 5: Are going to one thing that people don't like doing that work for state department. 01:04:00 Speaker 3: And sometimes uh bridges. 01:04:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so when a when a when a road comes to a creek, instead of building a bridge, they's for a parking a lot there. 01:04:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:04:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean so all of a sudden, the parking lot is by the creek and there's a bunch of thick stuff by that creek. 01:04:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, it works out, and so deer deer going to bed in the best place. 01:04:21 Speaker 1: Uh. 01:04:22 Speaker 2: And so where where that place was is one of the best. 01:04:26 Speaker 1: Places around the bed. 01:04:27 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's sick topography, great cover with brush. I mean it just there's gonna be deer in there, you know. And so uh, I think that one of the things that podcasting is podcasting is over complicating things so that you have to talk about and it's fun and I love diving deep into it. But like they're like some you know, pseudo truths about deer hunting, and one of them is the best habitat is gonna hold deer. 01:04:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that's a good thought. I and that and probably the biggest Bucks most of the time. 01:05:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're gonna actually outcompete the other bucks for the better stuff. 01:05:06 Speaker 1: We even saw that this week. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: You know, there's an area of the property that hardly ever has a human in it, and that's where the biggest bucks were, and it just so happens to be the reason that humans don't go there because it's really hard country to traverse. And so the bucks, I mean, you didn't hardly see little bucks or two or three year olds down in that stuff. There was you could sit in glass a lot of it and you could see mature deer down in there running around. Half of them were broken half racks and it was oh, man, it's crazy how many broken deer we saw and like heartbreakers too, man, like deer i'd love to shoot. And uh, you know, I don't know, I may even getting soft in my older age, or maybe I'm like some kind of jerk trophy hunter or something. 01:05:50 Speaker 1: I don't know, but. 01:05:53 Speaker 2: I just I don't want to shoot a broken deer too, you know, dear, it's too broken. 01:05:56 Speaker 1: Up, you know what I mean? Yeah, And I don't know. 01:06:00 Speaker 2: I might end up doing it, but for right now, I would love to shoot a deer that that has what he grew, you know what I mean? 01:06:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear you. I'm the same way. 01:06:09 Speaker 5: It's sure is a weird thing, man, It's like. 01:06:14 Speaker 3: It's hard to yeah, it. 01:06:16 Speaker 5: Leaves too much to the imagination, Like I want to know, yeah, what this deer has and what he grew and that he's yeah, is what he is or whatever. 01:06:26 Speaker 1: Tax and evers to put that back on there for you though, you know. 01:06:28 Speaker 5: Hey, if I've had heard you say it once, I heard you say any times. 01:06:33 Speaker 1: One of my favorite things. I love it. 01:06:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. It's true. 01:06:40 Speaker 1: How that, I guess just so hey, there's a hot element. 01:06:47 Speaker 2: I guess just so people don't feel like we're uh, you know, alienating them. If you want to shoot a broken deer, that's fine, and you know, it's all situational. This is a piece of property that we have access to that we can kind of manage a little bit, you know, not like crazy, but like we kind of get to choose what gets killed on it. So you know, we have that opportunity. Whereas like in the same token a couple of years ago, on buck truck, I shot a deer that had a broken main beam and maybe something else too. 01:07:21 Speaker 1: You know, I'm bounded that deer, you. 01:07:22 Speaker 5: Know, buck truck for me and my Kansas bug was busted up pretty good. 01:07:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you just, uh you kind of got to make that decision. Uh, and sometimes you got to make a decision quick. And you know, if you see a deer on public land that's got a big body and you think he's cool, shoot him, you know, like you know, it's it's all uh subjective, I should. 01:07:43 Speaker 3: Say, yeah, yeah, pretty relative. 01:07:45 Speaker 1: Man, you know, yeah, yep for show. Yeah cool. 01:07:49 Speaker 3: Well, Greg, congrats on your bug, dude. 01:07:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, congratulations on to everybody on the great week. 01:07:57 Speaker 1: Guy's a good job. It was cause weaks. 01:08:05 Speaker 2: Oh, Tyler, you gotta tell you gotta tell a little bit of Uh, we do this thing now where uh we do a lot of talk to text and a lot of just texting in general. 01:08:20 Speaker 1: Of course. I mean texting is. 01:08:21 Speaker 2: Like just uh, just a thing that humans do now, right, and autocorrect and Siri and all this gets it wrong sometimes, and so we've started just sending the wrong word because it's funnier that way. And uh, the Tyler Dowler scared some cows out of this place that there weren't supposed to be any cows in. 01:08:44 Speaker 1: He just texted me, text me stam pete instead of a stampede. It was a stam pete. 01:08:55 Speaker 2: I was literally walking across the planes, had to stop walking. I had a had a butt decoy on my back. I had to put the decoy down and laugh in the middle. I mean it was like crunch time trying to get to the deer stand and I was I had to just stop and laugh. 01:09:11 Speaker 1: It was so funny and stampede. I knew exactly what you're talking about. 01:09:16 Speaker 2: Too, because I've been a. 01:09:19 Speaker 3: Part of a cow fest like that, A little sky. 01:09:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, good old stampede. 01:09:27 Speaker 6: Oh that's good stuff. 01:09:30 Speaker 2: Well, guys, remember to stay out of stampede and remember this is your element, live in it.