00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm KC and I'm Toller and you're listening to Yell at Me podcast. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: You're in pasta. 00:00:17 Speaker 3: Listen hear y'all. 00:00:18 Speaker 1: This Monday, July twenty ninth, we are having a various special shindig down in Austin, Texas at Archery Country. It's the best bow shop in Austin. Should check it out if you haven't. And our good friend Jesse Griffiths and us and all the Archery Country crew are gonna have a summer bash. Jesse's going to butcher a pig show everybody there the process that he goes through on that. We're gonna have some wild hog to eat, have some drinks and other food as well. For everyone there, we're gonna give away I'm gonna go ahead and tell you five two hundred and fifty dollars first, like gift certificates to people who are into tendance, so for sure worth it for that. And then there might be some trail cameras and some other things given away as well. 00:01:03 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a great time. 00:01:05 Speaker 1: You can get your tickets. 00:01:06 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put a link in. 00:01:07 Speaker 4: The show notes down below. 00:01:09 Speaker 1: Go check out the Archery Country Summer Bash. 00:01:14 Speaker 3: What is happening in all my wos. People. Welcome to the Element podcast. 00:01:18 Speaker 1: It's like a little le Y Element around here these days because Michael Stole has been I mean basically being Tyler. 00:01:27 Speaker 5: Well, you're sitting in the spy am, I'm sitting that's right, That's right. 00:01:31 Speaker 1: It's kind of weird, but things are shuffled around here. The only podcast is brought to you by First like year of course. Uh I don't know if you notice, but the Umus stuff is out now and there's a big launch coming up here pretty quick. If you're a whitetail hunter, you may be interested. 00:01:47 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying. Be ready. 00:01:49 Speaker 1: Also again, still just taking care of some business here. The Meter podcast channel on YouTube is where you can find a lot of just not ours, but other stuff like cool stuff from Tony or Steve or any of those guys. It'll all be in one place, So go subscribe to that if you haven't. And of course our YouTube channel very very important for you to subscribe. I mean I would say it's going to increase your buck keel ratio by three factors. That was supposed to be a little ambigus look at that, So go go subscribe on there if you haven't. 00:02:26 Speaker 3: Actually, Tyler just put out a pretty. 00:02:27 Speaker 1: New video, new video that has pretty much just telling you what you've been doing wrong this whole time, So home. 00:02:34 Speaker 5: Dos you need that? 00:02:34 Speaker 1: I know, a little correction right is a good thing. Another thing to tell you is I was on someone else's podcast this week and I thought it was really good, so I wanted to share it with you. It's my friend Steven, and he has a podcast called Red Letters and White Tails. It's a Bible study paired with some hunting tactic and stuff and just kind of how those two parts of our life don't have to be separate. And so I thought that was really cool. Go check that episode out if you haven't, we'll put a link to that in the show notes. Steven does a really good job and it is a good question askerr. So I appreciated the opportunity on his podcast. But right now, my friend and Michael, I'd say it, little Michael, have you ever watched The Longest Yard? Oh? 00:03:16 Speaker 5: Yeah, both of them? 00:03:18 Speaker 1: So that big dude, the big black guy that like the stadium things. Yeah, And they were talking about Michael Jackson. 00:03:26 Speaker 3: He's I like little Michael. Oh so that's like. I saw this thing on social today. 00:03:31 Speaker 1: It was like name of SoundBite, a quote from a movie that only you just have memorized to heart, and that's one of mine. 00:03:37 Speaker 5: I feel like you just get all your movies through TikTok. Probably, I feel like you don't even watch a movie, you just watch it on TikTok, like six clips a lot of times. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: A yeah, yeah, no, but not long ast Yard. 00:03:48 Speaker 1: I watched that for sure. I watched the old one and the new one. The new The new one is like fifteen years old. 00:03:53 Speaker 3: But dude, Adam Sandler is just one of the best. 00:03:56 Speaker 5: Maybe the Element should just make the longest Yard make a new one. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got the production. Maybe any more gimbles for that, Yeah, a bunch of more gimbles, Yeah, that would be it. But that would be fun. Michael and I we're spending just a few moments on on X before we got on the phone with Tyler, which. 00:04:18 Speaker 3: Is pre recorded. 00:04:19 Speaker 1: I hate to tell you, guys, but we did that with the interview with Tyler before we did this, because today's been uh crasy okay, But here in a minute, Tyler Jones is gonna join us. 00:04:28 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about planning our dear. 00:04:29 Speaker 1: Season, and Michael and I specifically have been doing some deer season planning about. 00:04:36 Speaker 5: Some specific state or a specific. 00:04:38 Speaker 1: State that we shout on me right now, but it just shows me. Once you get on on X and you start using some tools and looking around. 00:04:49 Speaker 3: It's like it's it's cocaine for an optimist like me. 00:04:54 Speaker 1: Okay, So it's like I can just find all kinds of bad of the bone looking stuff. 00:04:59 Speaker 3: On the in July. 00:05:00 Speaker 5: When you're looking on on X, it's just like, Oh, you killed deer there, you killed here, you killed. 00:05:07 Speaker 3: This stuff. It's so good. 00:05:09 Speaker 1: Which right now I actually have Google pulled up and I compare and contrast that with on X, uh, because it's. 00:05:15 Speaker 3: Kind of good. 00:05:15 Speaker 1: On X usually has like a it looks like October most of the time on on their layers, which is really good to see. But sometimes Google will have like a late winner or just something just a different year or a different imagery, and it's just good comparing condress. But I feel like on X in particular stepped up their imagery a lot in the past year or so, and I love it. I mean, I'm looking at a deer trail right now, crossing a fence into like a little hayfield, and it makes me feel real good about things. But Mike, you're going to be involved in our conversation here in a bit, but I want to give you opportunity a little bit more because, uh, I usually try my best to be honest and upfront with people, because I think that's how you are to be is a man, and as a Christian is and just being trying to do your best to be a good person. I get to hunt more than the average guy, you don't. You get to be in the stand more, and you could say you're hunting, but with they weapon in your hand, you are actually kind of the very normal. You hunt, yeah, where you live, and then you might get to hunt some out of state one time. So you have probably a pretty good take on this stuff. Do you feel like you'd rather spend more time locking it in at home or do you like dreaming about the thing that you're going to. 00:06:35 Speaker 3: Get to go do. That's kind of wild. 00:06:37 Speaker 5: I feel like there's a little bit of a spoiler. But you said like two weeks of vacation in this pre recorded interview, and I think if I had two weeks it would be I would go on an early season like more of a not I don't want to say dream that's a little drastic a little, but dream hunt like you know something you can look for. Yeah, I feel like it's a lot easier to find an overlooked spot if you're a worse hunter. I guess is what i'd say, Like you can I feel like you can see deer. And maybe it's just how we hunt early season, but I feel like you can see deer a lot easier, and that just when you see the deer doing the thing, it makes it a lot easier for you to put yourself in the spot. 00:07:24 Speaker 1: It's a valid point, man, it is a valid point. So you would when you call some early season, do you mean like a velvet on the antlers or do you mean like anything before the leaves fall? I mean like probably could be like December and the leaves sauce. That's not a great apple, But you know what I'm saying, before the frost. 00:07:42 Speaker 5: I think anything like September fifteenth forward. What do you I guess September, Oh, you mean before fifteen? I guess late anything at September and pretty much like October to me, seems more like I don't though. The actual season in September is like a preseason type of thing. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: See, when you're from Texas, October is still like ninety eight degrees plus. Yeah, ridiculous, So I don't. It still seems real early sometimes. But one of the things that I like to do with my early season is travel somewhere where it's cooler. 00:08:17 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 00:08:18 Speaker 1: And I used to like never miss an opener at home, Like, even if it was the worst weather, I had to hunt October one or whatever it was, you know, the first Saturday, just because it was like, man, it's here, let's celebrate. 00:08:30 Speaker 5: Then you go and it just stinks. 00:08:31 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:08:31 Speaker 1: I'm a little sad nowadays to tell you the truth, that I don't get to hunt my local opener. But it's it's one of those weird deals where like I'm really happy to get to go do something else. 00:08:46 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:08:47 Speaker 3: Sure, So you would rather. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: Be able to go and spend a bunch of time in an early season hunt and then hunt the rest of the fall just. 00:08:56 Speaker 5: At all, Well, I think I think I'd take another trip and go on to rout hunts somewhere on the state also, and then around home. It's just so much easier to scout, like on the way home from work, or hang cameras and be able to go get the cameras or be able to move them around do the shuffle. But I don't feel like I would at this point, which I'm twenty four, so there's a little bit of a bug to go get out and do different things. Yeah, sure, but I don't think I would take vacation for a trip or not even like just a hunt around home. I don't think i'd do that interesting because I feel like it's so much easier to get a like dial in on a deer. Yeah, around home, Ye, But I don't know. 00:09:38 Speaker 3: It's a good point man teach that I like it. 00:09:40 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's one of the beauty about podcasts is that very few things that you can do in a podcast outside of read scripture is just straight up truth. And then outside of that, it's just the opinions of other people. And you can take what you like and formulate your own and I can't say that what you have to say is wrong by any means. It sounds like a pretty good strategy. Only thing is that I don't want to go to Kentucky and sweat my face off. 00:10:04 Speaker 5: So I've done that. 00:10:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it. 00:10:06 Speaker 1: So early season is kind of a weird thing, but it also has a good point of like, if you do have a family, or you have you know, maybe a job. We're missing two weeks straight would be very difficult taking a September, taking November like it all. People don't forgot that you took that whole week off the exactly right. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: You know, So it kind of spreads it all out. It's a pretty good point. Cool, Well, let's call Tyler and get his opinion on stuff as well. 00:10:33 Speaker 5: Let's do it. 00:10:35 Speaker 3: Join us via the Beauty of Technology from Sunny Florida. 00:10:42 Speaker 6: Tyler Jones, Sunshine State, What Sunshine boy here? 00:10:47 Speaker 3: What are you doing? Yeah? I was in a video chat with you earlier a meeting. Dare I say? And I could tell you were frosted on the tips? 00:10:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, that's why. That's it's I'm getting a whole new persona man. 00:11:03 Speaker 3: What's your new name gonna be? 00:11:06 Speaker 4: Sunshine? 00:11:06 Speaker 3: Sunshine? 00:11:08 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:11:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, when y'all played remember the Titans and whenever you're in middle school, were you Sunshine? 00:11:14 Speaker 4: No? No, I wasn't. I just damn now, Oh got cha? Okay, Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, it's been funny. 00:11:22 Speaker 3: Cool man. Once you get back, we'll have we'll get the full report. 00:11:26 Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm coming back, all right, I might just stay. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: Here, get on Ostiola's right, Michael, Oh my goodness. 00:11:33 Speaker 5: No, let's not start talking about. 00:11:36 Speaker 3: Deer. You know, that's what they're going for there in Florida. 00:11:39 Speaker 4: That's exactly what Florida's no for. Man. 00:11:42 Speaker 6: Yeah, every year we get that REP report in July and they talk about two hundreds. 00:11:46 Speaker 3: Hey. 00:11:46 Speaker 1: I literally saw someone on Facebook talking about the rut is going is on fire, and they posted a truck and photo and I couldn't figure it out. 00:11:55 Speaker 3: I was like, what is going on? 00:11:56 Speaker 1: It's just just some spam or something, and then sure enough figured out the guy with some Florida. So apparently there is a rut habiting in Florida right now. People are hunting. You could do that the key to dere right now. Dude, No, no, you can't hunt them, but could you rattle them from like the public's parking lot? 00:12:13 Speaker 3: How sick would that be? 00:12:15 Speaker 4: See? I don't know if you could. 00:12:19 Speaker 6: For one, I don't know when the rut is and for another, I don't know the bus actually exists. 00:12:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, have you seen those? 00:12:27 Speaker 6: Actually a buck key deer anywhere that's like older than the spike or so? 00:12:31 Speaker 3: We found them. 00:12:32 Speaker 5: Found one on the internet. 00:12:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, day it was like a nice point. 00:12:36 Speaker 5: It looked like the size of your dog. 00:12:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:12:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, they I think they averaged like forty five to eighty pounds or something like that. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. I like that. You can throw me and go shoot. 00:12:49 Speaker 4: You could bust them with a hot lead number six is you know what I mean? Done? It's like jack grab just a jackalope. 00:12:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be cool. 00:12:59 Speaker 1: So this kind of leads us into the current concept that we're going to talk about today and the fact that there are deer seasons starting to pop up around the country right now, really just in Florida, but deer season's coming and coming quick, and this is pretty exciting time is to be alive because it's the twenty twenty four deer season and something we looked forward to our whole lives. And so I think that here's a confession. 00:13:28 Speaker 3: Guys. 00:13:30 Speaker 1: The Element crew gets to somewhat participate in laall Land a little bit. Okay, we spend a lot of time plotting and planning our deer seasons and it's a huge blessing and very thankful to get to do that. And I understand also it's not that realistic for people, and so I think that Tyler, you can, you know, maybe have some inputing here. You might think I'm wrong with this, but around about it right now, it's kind of when people just kind of start thinking about their deer season, potentially a lot of a lot of folks around the country, you know, and maybe making some plans. I know, some of the questions I've been getting on social media in the last two weeks have kind of related more to this kind of stuff. 00:14:07 Speaker 3: Do you feel like that's the case for a normal guy? 00:14:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems I mean, the social media thing. 00:14:12 Speaker 6: You're right, like there's a little bit of a fire that's been let It seems like lately people starting to think about it a little more than they have the last three or four months. But I think really like when the calendar changes to August is kind of when a lot of people start really thinking about because they're I mean, there are a few weeks out from playing, especially in Texas, there a few weeks out from playing that dove trip, you know, and that's kind of you know, inaugural hunting season until when you get back, and then you know we're looking at deer hunting. Of course in September. There's seasons that open early in September. Now, you know, I'm not sure who to give the credit, but it would seem that overall the hunter opportunity is diminishing and tags are being limited more and more, even though there's less or more and more people in the world, which would also constitute even though they say them hunter. 00:15:07 Speaker 4: Numbers are dropping, I think it's actually that. 00:15:09 Speaker 6: Percentage of people to hunters or hunters to people is dropping, but it still makes you know, the population is growing, so there's still more hunters at least that's the data I've seen. So I guess I'm making a long point here, but you know, it's, uh, there's there's I think there's gonna be some new states that entertain some September hunts, but they may be extremely uncomfortable being that they're maybe in the South or somewhere like that, and uh, and so you know, there may be less than less people for a while here actually participating in those September deer hunts, which is unfortunate. And again when I go back to saying what I said in the beginning about giving credit. I would almost assume that there's some sort of death by a thousand cuts to as a as a hobby that's happening through all of this, and so I think it's, uh, we have to be aware of you know, who's who's rallying for these cuts and the number of tags and and opportunities and and understand that, uh, you know, the less fun we can have and the less dollars the game departments fishing game departments get, the uh less voice we have in the world, you know. And I'm not trying to be the the guy that makes everybody feel bad about things, but thinking about this this summer has kind of got me. 00:16:35 Speaker 4: Thinking, you know, who's behind all this? 00:16:37 Speaker 6: And I think that's a question a lot of people in America are asking. 00:16:42 Speaker 4: So. 00:16:59 Speaker 1: The uh I think that that brings up kind of where I wanted to go for this, because there's such a mentality that's kind of prolific and proliferated, one might say out there that is like the lone wolf hunter mentality of like this absolutely is the worst thing you could ever do. I passed out seventeen times while I was at the dear damn it, it doesn't matter because they're just too tough, right And and really I don't know if that's very enjoyable and probably not very sustainable. 00:17:34 Speaker 3: Type of lifestyle for most people, right And. 00:17:36 Speaker 4: So, well, no, it's not to be the to be the toughest. 00:17:41 Speaker 6: It means that seven billion people are weaker than you are. 00:17:46 Speaker 3: So it's not relatable, right, No, it's not. 00:17:48 Speaker 1: And also a lot of times when you are the toughest, there's an inverse quality of like compassion and just being able to talk to people and interact and be a normal human, right, And like most people are normal humans. That's that's the reason the word normal exists. Right now, we might have a huge vi on normality and what that means, but either way, I think a lot of guys would like to have successful deer season, successful hunting seasons. Let's just be that way and then get to then define success within some parameters how they would like to, right, And so I think that that's what I'd like to kind of help people do, is to is to think about what their fall looks like in the hunting space and then kind of put a meter on success, and you know, maybe help people not like establish the goals for them, but like think about what maybe some categories could be that you could set goals within. Okay, so let's my first question. I wrote down some stuff to kind of help us do this. I feel like since you and I are in different places, it's it's good to have few things written down. So when Tyler Michael's here too, Michael, you can answer this stuff since you're a different generation than us. When do you plan a hunt or you're playing your fall? 00:19:23 Speaker 6: That's a good question because I'm still planning it currently, so I think it's kind of a it's a little bit year round now. 00:19:32 Speaker 4: It depends on a lot of things. Right. 00:19:34 Speaker 6: I can't ever plan early enough to for Alaska because it's like a December application, right, It's so yeah, So I mean, if you're if you're going to Alaska, you'd want to plan it during deer season. 00:19:48 Speaker 4: You know, of the year before. 00:19:51 Speaker 6: And but I mean, we don't go to Alaska hunting, and uh, you know, according to our boss, probably never will, you know. So he got me on Instagram live the other day, so I have to get him back anyway. That's uh, that's something I would love to do, but we don't. So usually I think, you know, it depends on where you want to go. Again, with limited with tags being more limited every year, it seems like there's I would say, like to be thinking about it in February and March and figuring out, you know, when are my application is going to be because some some states will change. We've had a state that's changed on us the last three years in a row. It's application date has been like four months difference, and uh so you have to kind of start early in the year thinking about, like, is this something i'd want to do and if so, where and when do I need to apply. 00:20:47 Speaker 1: I think hunting multiple states is relatable for the average year hunter. 00:20:53 Speaker 6: No. I just think that if you have like, oh, I'd love to go hunt an early season hunt, or if you're like, you know, say you're from Missouri but you are find Illinois. Yeah, you know that that's a OTC tag, but I mean it could be any state that you're from that you'd rather have the state across the border. 00:21:12 Speaker 3: I think that that is kind of relatable. 00:21:14 Speaker 1: I mean, living in Texas, uh, I didn't grow up knowing very many out of state hunters at all. Some people that went to Oklahoma. Uh, and you'd hear about some other states a little bit. But that's really it because we can kill I think four bucks in the state, isn't that right there? 00:21:31 Speaker 4: And three I think it's three bucks. 00:21:34 Speaker 3: Plus you're mule heer if you had an opportunity do that? Is that what it is? 00:21:37 Speaker 1: Ye? But there's three buck counties even right but even yeah, even beyond that, you get five whitetail deer. And I mean that's a lot of hunting to kill five whitetail deer. So a lot of people would have, you know, places around the house and then a deer lease, which kind of functioned as they're out of state hunt because their state is so big. But you know, you take a state, like you know, Michael, you're from Ohio, you get one buck the whole season, rightep seven deer, but one buck one buck. So if you kill a deer in early October, you're done. You're kind of like, I'd like to go to your hunting. Yeah, where can I go? And you're only at the most four hours from another state, right and at the lead. 00:22:15 Speaker 5: I mean at two hours you can be out of the state. 00:22:17 Speaker 1: Well sure, but I'm just saying, like, if you lived in Cincinnati and you want to go to Pennsylvania, it's like across the state. But I mean the state is not very big, right, four or five hours across the whole state, right, Yeah, And so like it's very achievable to end up in three or four different states. 00:22:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're all all the states around are over the counter. So like you're saying, that's something you need to you need to know pretty early in the year. 00:22:39 Speaker 1: So I think that that's kind of like a realistic expectation is like I'm going to hunt hard around home, and then I would like to take a trip somewhere to go do some of your hunting. I think that's a thing that can relate to a lot of people. And I also think that a lot of guys are operating on maybe like a two week vacation pack type thing. Some of that might get to eat up by family stuff, or maybe there's some PTO and things in there. But let's just assume you got like two weeks off that you can use. That means that's ten days of work time for deer hunting. And maybe that's a little bit wrong, but let's just go with that in general, I feel like I would like to have a solid week to hunt, which would give you actually nine days at some point in the year, and then you could sprinkle that maybe if they let you take it in different times, sprinkle at vacation time around to maybe go out of state for long weekends or different things like that. Tyler, do you feel like that's a good approach or would you rather just have like the first twenty days in November to just go to everything. 00:23:51 Speaker 6: If I had two weeks, I I would take a few days and try to make a pretty pretty long hunt in November. 00:24:02 Speaker 4: I think, so like this year, here's what I do. This year. 00:24:08 Speaker 6: We've got November. One's on a Friday, so I would probably take off. There's probably gonna be a lot of people do this. Let me think about this. This is this is so. Here's one thing you gotta figure out is how much pressure is the place you're going to the state or the area of. 00:24:26 Speaker 4: That state going to have. 00:24:27 Speaker 6: And if it's if it's fairly low pressure, here's what I do. And then if it's high pressure, I'll tell you what I'll do is what I do. If it is low pressure, I would take off on the eighth, which is which is a Friday, and you know, leave out work early that day or whatever, drive where you're going. I'd hunt Saturday Sunday, which you already have as free days for most people that don't work weekends, and then I would hunt. I would take off like eleven, twelve, and maybe thirteen, and so that's Monday through Wednesday, and I would hunt those dates. If you're hunting place or an area that's kind of low pressure or private land, that's any you know, good stuff. 00:25:07 Speaker 4: I like. 00:25:08 Speaker 6: I like the tenth of November a lot. And so if I was hunting a place had a lot of pressure, say I Illinois maybe you know, like a lot of public land in Illinois is pretty highly pressured, then I would probably take off that that November first, on that Friday, and I would hunt. 00:25:29 Speaker 4: Second, third, and do the same thing. 00:25:31 Speaker 6: Take Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday four or five, six, and you kind of evaluate through that five day stint what you got going on. 00:25:39 Speaker 4: You know. 00:25:39 Speaker 6: Another thing you could do is take Wednesday off, hunt six, seven, eight, and then you got the weekend. 00:25:45 Speaker 4: And come back, you know, on the tenth. 00:25:47 Speaker 6: But I like the fact that, like if you go early and you don't like it through the fifth or six and whether it's bad or whatever, then you can also you could also put you know, another three days out that next week and go back if when the weather's a little bit different potentially, so you could put you know, you could take six days in November but essentially hunt the first two weeks of the rut and have two completely different weather windows potentially that can help you out. 00:26:16 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a pretty good strategy. 00:26:18 Speaker 1: I like the whole uh, because the first week in November can be just on fire, but it's not guaranteed, right, where as like this, you know, and you could be the only guy, not the only guy, but there could be a little bit less pressure because you know, people are thinking about the fift sixth seventh a lot. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: Yeah and thanks, Yeah, the way to go beal and uh. 00:26:43 Speaker 1: By the way, Brian Bots is fixing to call you. He just tried to call me and I sitting in to a voice. So here's the thought. How do you select a state to make like, say, you do want to you know, potentially go out of state for one of your other tags and maybe it's your rout hunt. How do you really kind of hone in on a state for that. 00:27:11 Speaker 4: It's a good question. A lot of this stuff. 00:27:13 Speaker 6: I'm glad you're answered or asking this stuff because I'm I literally just went over a bunch of this stuff in a video I recorded the other day and about just kind of like out of state stuff and you know, setting up goals and whatever. I think for me, the question is kind of like, you know, you're you want to do a rout hunt, how how do you select the state? 00:27:32 Speaker 3: Right? 00:27:33 Speaker 6: I think that for me, like if I was, if I was, if I had the two Is this for me? 00:27:44 Speaker 4: Or is this for like a guy that's. 00:27:45 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, this is all from the perspective of a guy who's balancing home life, work life and wanting to hunt as much as you can and have fulfilling, a fulfilling experience. 00:27:56 Speaker 6: I think, uh, most people in the US live then probably like six hours of pretty good deer hunting, like some fairly normal like Midwest type nice bucks. You know, whether if you're in the South, you probably live pretty close to Tennessee or Kentucky, you know, like within six hours. Maybe not always right. The Gulf is different for us. We almost have to travel six hours to get anywhere this decent. So it's just because we live in a big state that's in a big area of bad deer hunting, and I think that what you want to do is try to find something that's within that like six or eight hours. The good thing about a six hour as opposed to an eight hour trip is like to me, it's it's kind of a big difference. Like six is about where like you would want to do, like I'm gonna I'm gonna leave after work, you know what I mean, and get there at you know, eleven or whatever, go to sleep and get up next morning. Yeah, this is all also depends on your age. You know, if you're twenty, you might do might not care at all. If you're forty, then you may want to do four hours. But either way, like eight hours is tough to do after work. So you just got to think about, like what's kind of a good place I can hunt really, you know, some some fun rut hunting that's you know, I can do it a couple of times and learn some stuff that first trips, I can go back maybe because the rut, the rut's going to extend out in most places in the country, you're gonna see like a rut that goes and carries through November. 00:29:30 Speaker 4: I mean I hunted. 00:29:30 Speaker 6: Iowa, which is the the November seventh. 00:29:35 Speaker 4: You know, line of thought comes from that. 00:29:37 Speaker 6: Place, right, And I killed a deer and I think it was the eighteenth or nineteenth or something like that. You know, it was fairly late in November, and he was just as rutted up as you could want them to. 00:29:50 Speaker 4: Be, you know. 00:29:51 Speaker 6: And they were rutting on October thirtieth when we were there too, like crazy. 00:29:55 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:29:55 Speaker 6: So I mean I think people think of it in a little bit too narrow a box sometimes. So I guess what I would say is like for a rut, Hind, it's like a couple of things. Is you are you fine with shooting a one point thirty that comes through there just tearing stuff up and on a work and a scrape or a rud line or something like that and down a traip Are you fine with that? 00:30:16 Speaker 4: Because if you are, you got a lot of options. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: Man. 00:30:19 Speaker 1: I think that's a huge point for sure. I don't go ahead and finish your thoughts. 00:30:24 Speaker 6: Well no, I mean just I was just gonna say, if you wanting to shoot a booner, then your your states get a little bit tighter. 00:30:29 Speaker 1: But see, booners aren't They're not normal, man, you know, and I think that TV has made it that way. I mean, uh, you and I have killed some big deer and I'm thankful for it. But it's just it's really hard to put in the amount of time and go to the states where deer like that exists. So I just think that having a good expectation of what a cool white tailed deer is is very important on this kind of thing. And I think if you do that, man, your options start opening up, because I mean, the list of states that you can't go kill a poping, young deer in is. 00:31:06 Speaker 3: Pretty short, you know. 00:31:08 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, given that's a very accomplished animal like it, or that's not that it's a big accomplishment to shoot an animal that big. But like, dude, any state practically from the Rockies to the East Coast, if you spent five days in the rut, I feel pretty good about you seeing a deer like that. You know, maybe not like the southern the Gulf Coast states, you know, but like all the stuff throughout the Midwest. 00:31:38 Speaker 3: The Heartland, ironbuilt all that stuff. 00:31:40 Speaker 5: Man, it's on public land too. Yeah, that's not that's not finding a big ranch that's literally on public land. 00:31:46 Speaker 1: They're around I mean, any hard it's going to be difficult. You might only have one shot even if you get a shot, but you're likely to see one. So I think just managing that expectation opens a lot of states to you. And I kind of have a little bit of a theory on this is that you know, most people aren't going to kill a deer that's you know, over on fifty. 00:32:05 Speaker 3: And if you're. 00:32:06 Speaker 1: Happy with a deer that's smaller than that and a good experience and a good rut like hunt, well these tier two states and there'll be less pressure and you'll still have good hunts because white tail deer are doing the thing all over the country. 00:32:20 Speaker 5: Or a tier two tag, not just a Tier two state, but like if there is a draw and it's all split up by different sections or whatever Tier two tag, you can shoot like still pretty good animal. 00:32:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, good point, young Michael. 00:32:36 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, I got them over here. 00:32:38 Speaker 6: Sometimes you know, I would I would say, last year, y'all see a video that comes out here in the next couple of months or whatever it is that it's from Kansas and we're sitting there and an eight point that's probably probably not. 00:32:57 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know he'd be. 00:33:00 Speaker 6: He would, he would be real close, but I don't think I don't think he would net pop and young. 00:33:07 Speaker 4: So I mean, if we're going to use the term pope or poping. 00:33:09 Speaker 6: Young or Boone and Crockett or whatever, booner, I'm talking about deer that net because that's what that system wants. 00:33:16 Speaker 4: It to be, you know. 00:33:17 Speaker 6: But anyway, I don't think this this deer would pope and young and he's like going nuts chasing does on video, We've got pretty cool footage of it, and I like, you can hear me say, this is awesome, you know what I mean? And that's like that's the thing that I think people were missing out. Like big gear great, but one hundred and twenty five gross deer that's running around chasing a dough and going a right underneath your stand and like another buck that's even smaller but bigger body coming through and like bristling up right under you and walking sideways at it. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: Like and it doesn't have to be Kansas to have that happen. It can be anywhere. 00:33:57 Speaker 1: Exactly right, and a state ors used out of there you're smoking one of those deer. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: You know. 00:34:03 Speaker 1: It's kind of one of the good things about hunting a state that's not like big time tag is like you're you know, you just see a deer that you like and you shoot them, you know. And I didn't draw Iowa this year, which makes me sad. But one of the things that I've you know, it's a very small like regret, but like one of the things that the Iowa is, I don't want to go up there and shoot one hundred and forty inch eight point. Now I might because I get excited and I like this kind of deer, but it's like the state that you go to to try to actually shoot a bit of CROCD deer, right, And so like there's this whole expectation or pretense I think might be a better word to put on it, of like what you could and should shoot. And so like you think back to you you're are mining your hunt. 00:34:48 Speaker 3: In the Heila. 00:34:49 Speaker 1: A long time ago, we were looking at the biggest elk any of us will ever see, and I'm like, I don't know if that's a shooter or not, you know, because I'm a little bit inexperience would feel judging elk, but then retrospectively, it's like almost. 00:35:01 Speaker 3: A booner, you know, And but you don't, you. 00:35:05 Speaker 1: Know, there's just like a there's a certain thing that kind of comes along with these big, expensive or highly coveted or whatever you wanna say, tags, whereas like you just go to the stable or deer doing the thing, and you shoot a deer doing thing. 00:35:19 Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun. 00:35:20 Speaker 4: Expense is another thing I hadn't really thought about. 00:35:22 Speaker 6: But like, man, if you spend you know, two hundred and eighty bucks on a tag, it's it's a lot easier to leave there with a three year old buck that you know, goes one twenty eight than if you spent six hundred dollars on the tag. 00:35:35 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: Guarantee you, man. 00:35:37 Speaker 1: And here's the thing on that too, is that three year old bucks are a respectable cool animal, you know, like's there's no like and I'm all about shooting whatever because single animal conservation is just not how conservation works at all. Right, So but either way, a three year old has done some breeding, he's bigger bodied, so there's more meat. He looks cool because he's got decent. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: Sized that like an all. 00:36:05 Speaker 1: It's like the perfect deer, right, It's the thing to keep you happy when you're going out and doing stuff. 00:36:10 Speaker 3: And you know, and. 00:36:11 Speaker 1: I think that you know, the whole mature deer thing it's just a little overplayed, man, because we don't have a clue, you know most of the time. Like if you are hunting a managed place or lease or whatever and you got some camera data and all this, you might know. But I'm telling you the big wide deer I shot on buck truck. That deer didn't quite have what I would call a mature deer top body, but the deer was for sure like a five year old plus deer just by what he was, you. 00:36:39 Speaker 3: Know, you could just tell. But there's this whole. 00:36:43 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's a striving to be an expert about things or whatever, but there's this thing that people are like, oh, yeah, it's a mature buck. It's like, well, maybe you know, I mean, he's not a two year old, that's for sure, But you know, what do you call mature first of all? 00:36:56 Speaker 3: And what is mature relative to the area? And then how do you really know? 00:36:59 Speaker 1: Me? Michael and I are both mature adult males. But our body types are quite a bit different, right, you know, and you don't have as much discrepancy. But still it's it's just like, uh, you don't need to let outside influences influence your personal experience and what you want from a hunt. 00:37:20 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:37:21 Speaker 6: Well, and I mean even in humanity, like you were saying, I mean some cultures at thirteen, you you know, shove a hot iron through your lip and call yourself a man, and some cultures like ours, you know, I can't really do anything to your eighteen. 00:37:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, man, So twenty five, I think or something, I still ridiculous. 00:37:48 Speaker 4: You're almost there, man, I'm almost there, all right. 00:37:50 Speaker 3: So that's right you yeah, man, that's that's good stuff. 00:37:56 Speaker 1: So you mentioned a little bit more ago, but and your opinion, what's what are the camp miss dates around the country. 00:38:05 Speaker 6: I'm no moon expert neither, so you know, we'd have to ask Hunter for that probably. 00:38:13 Speaker 4: But. 00:38:15 Speaker 6: I I am obviously we don't. 00:38:19 Speaker 4: We don't. 00:38:19 Speaker 6: We can't predict the weather, and even the best weathermen in the world can't predict it outside of like the forty eight hour period, be like. 00:38:26 Speaker 3: Three hours around here. That's how that's how predictable the weather's being in East Texas. 00:38:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I would say again, I like November tenth a lot. 00:38:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I haven't hunted. 00:38:40 Speaker 6: I haven't hunted Wisconsin or Minnesota or Ohio because Michael, you know, hasn't found me a big year to hunt up there. So I guess what I'm saying is I've hunted, like which we we did hunt late October in buck truck. 00:38:58 Speaker 4: We were way up. 00:38:59 Speaker 3: No I could see Wisconsin from one of the deer stands I was in. 00:39:02 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, that's about as far north as I hunted, and it wasn't in November. But I would say, like for the Midwest and the southern Midwest in the South, that November tenth is a great day to be in the woods. 00:39:20 Speaker 4: I killed. 00:39:23 Speaker 6: I killed my buck last year on the tenth I killed nameless. On the tenth I killed that the biggest buck I ever killed. 00:39:30 Speaker 4: I killed on the eleventh. I just I don't like that day a lot. 00:39:37 Speaker 6: And I've seen, like on the fourteenth, thirteenth, we've seen a lot of really good trail camera pictures from Texas, some of our public land stuff. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: Over the course of those couple of days. 00:39:49 Speaker 3: This year in Kansas on the fifteenth and they were just duking it out, you know. 00:39:53 Speaker 4: He did a rut style yep. 00:39:56 Speaker 1: And so you know, there's some there's some good dates in there, but I think for sure that November one, I think is a little overrated in a lot of people's minds. Yeah, it's definitely a good day to hunt, don't get me wrong, brother, Okay, but like you know, don't feel bad if you can't make November one, you know, because all the way to Thanksgiving it's pretty good in most places, and it's is still pretty good, I mean up until like mid December, you know, so like just a little bit more flexibility in there than maybe what a lot of people give it. 00:40:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that the couple of things you would want to keep in mind that make you want to go earlier than later. 00:40:36 Speaker 4: It would be. 00:40:38 Speaker 6: Especially during like drought years, deer will break their antlers a lot more, it seems like. 00:40:45 Speaker 4: And so the later it gets, the more fighting they've done. Even on a non drought year. 00:40:49 Speaker 6: You know, at Thanksgiving, I love him, thanks kill big deer around Thanksgiving holiday. 00:40:54 Speaker 1: But it's a good time to hunt corn too because the rock Yeah, a little bit of that post truck. They're hungry, and they're going to show up at deer feeders a little bit more than they usually would, so you. 00:41:04 Speaker 4: Know solid, you know, more more good. 00:41:07 Speaker 1: Good forty that time of year too, I feel like, uh huh, you know that there's the whole thing where you know, mornings in October are kind of tough, you know, and then finally, you know, November they get a little bit better. And then I really feel like that stuff where it got real cold last night and I gotta I gotta eat something once the sun comes up kind of thing. 00:41:25 Speaker 3: Is is a deal? 00:41:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 00:41:27 Speaker 6: Sount hunting pressure, you know, that'd be other thing to consider. 00:41:31 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about going out of state to hunt deer and making that part of the plan, but I think, you know, kind of like car recks, most of deer hunting happens fifteen miles from the house for a lot of folks. You know, maybe you might extend it out, but within forty five minutes of your of where you sleep, a. 00:41:50 Speaker 3: Lot of deer hunting goes on. 00:41:53 Speaker 1: When you think about playing in the fall, should a guy set aside dates like a block of time to just hunt close to home or are you better off just sprinkling it in when you get a chance, or when you think there's a good weather window, or how do you approach that I know you've killed. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: Do youer real close to the house? So I thought, you know, you might have a thought on this. 00:42:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I probably treat this a little different than other people. 00:42:22 Speaker 6: So I'm trying to think from from a from a guy's perspective that I like in the past, when I when I didn't hunt for a living or whatever, you know, like I kind of I only hunted when I could close to home, and then I had my trips. You know that I could go on. But I would say, like, it's a lot like it would be. I would treat it a lot like I do. You and I have talked about the way we used to fish, where like I pretty much had a rod in the back of my truck year round, and if I was anywhere near water, had thirty minutes, I was gonna stop buy real quick and see if I can catch something. You know, It's just I just love it that much. So it's kind of like, you know, you never know when you're gonna, you know, have an afternoon that you can go hunting. So it's good to have your stuff ready and just go do it. And so I would probably lean more towards that kind of just like spur of the moment everything works out for you and. 00:43:25 Speaker 4: Go when you can. 00:43:26 Speaker 6: But at the same time, like there's this thing in me every year when I plan my deer season that wishes or hopes I guess that I can kill a deer in a couple of states in November fairly quickly, so I can come back home and hunt good dates because I know there's some good dates in November that I would like to be in the stand in Texas. I just know that it's worse hunting than the other places I go a lot of times, so you know, it's one of those things. I guess what I would say is like if I didn't travel a bunch and planning to be in the stand at around home, you know, at least just knowing good dates that maybe you can set aside some time or whatever and talk with your significant other or whoever to the kind of plan out. 00:44:14 Speaker 4: It's probably not a bad idea. 00:44:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, Quite honestly, I think if you don't have the deer locked down close to home, you're missing the point, like it's your home turf, and I know it takes a little while, so don't feel bad about it if you. 00:44:30 Speaker 3: Don't now, but like, you know, if you hunt close to home, you. 00:44:34 Speaker 1: Should set it like as a goal or as a thing that you know you need to do in the next three years to really figure out some dates and to know like what the main food sources are where you live, and when acrons fall and all that kind of stuff, right, Like, because it is the thing that you have most accessible to you most likely you know and know there's weird situations out there, but you know there's probably some public within driving distance to your house, or you can find ten acres that somebody has that they'll let you hunt on. 00:45:07 Speaker 3: Or whatever that may be. 00:45:08 Speaker 1: You know that stuff is out there, and so if you can figure it out, you can make the most of the four or five days that you have at home to hunt, you know, like for me, for instance, I mean seventeenth through the twenty first is pretty bad of the bone where we live, maybe even a little earlier than that, but you know it's gonna shift from year to year on specific dates, right So like, also you know, if you can't hunt today, but it's around those dates. Get up at sunrise and drive around for work and see if the deer doing the thing. You know, like there's stuff like that that you can do. And I realize that's not as much in the planning as it is like the here and now type information, but it's the thing to think about as the fall approaches. Okay, last question, then we got to rock and roll Tyler. How do you establish what you value on what you want to get out of a hunting trip? 00:46:04 Speaker 6: Probably has to be base for most people on their experience, and I mean like lifetime experience. You know, like if you're a new hunter, then your goals should probably be smaller to your more encounters kind of thing. And if you're more experienced hunter, then maybe you're looking for a target buck. Whether he's big or just old. It doesn't you know, maybe different. But I love target bucks that are big, seven points or whatever, you know, I mean they're nine years old or whatever. I love to hunt that kind of deer, you know, So I think there's a little bit of that. And then just understanding, like you know, how uncomfortable do you want to be? Do you want to be that toughest guy out there, or do you want to have more fun? And weighing that out. It's good to be tough as tough as you can be, but you know, you can do that and have a hotel and still just hunt hard, you know what I mean, or whatever instead of camping or whatever. 00:47:00 Speaker 1: Dare I say, maybe be a better hunter because you get some rest. But you know, yeah, I digress a little bit on that, but yeah, for sure, I think that experience level makes a big difference. 00:47:11 Speaker 3: Don't. 00:47:11 Speaker 1: You shouldn't such your bars according to what other people have achieved, you know, it's you should just be trying to get better at craft and you know, really have as much fun as you can do in it, because why else were we doing this? 00:47:24 Speaker 3: Maybe to get some meat to eat, you know. 00:47:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, but you can get meat a lot easier, you know. 00:47:30 Speaker 6: And it is it really is about enjoying God's creation and having some fun and being with some of the people that you love and and challenging yourself to mentally be sharp and learn some stuff, you know, and then just being happy with the the consequences of the outcomes kind of either way, you know. 00:47:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, for providence, you're gonna see as many and choo as many as you're supposed. 00:47:53 Speaker 1: To do, So that's it, brother, all right, have fun, gets some big old fishies. 00:47:58 Speaker 4: We're gonna try, man,