00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm k C and I'm Tyler, and you're listening to the Element podcast and channel. What is happening on you with people? Tyler wants to have conversations off the podcast, but we having conversations on the podcast, because that's what podcasts are about, just talking together. It's me and Tyler and you. But you can't talk back to us. That's okay, though we love you. Anyways. This podcast is brought to you by First Like Gear. Right now, we're watching a video of Tyler hunt Muleier in the middle of the Andes Mountains. 00:00:40 Speaker 2: Is that where this is? 00:00:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's really a middle of nowhere and he's wearing the First Lot. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: Well, you know one thing I like a lot that I found out this week that First Light does is this thing called link kit Link. And I'm wearing some jackets that might be like not available yet. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, you may see them soon for peasants. 00:00:59 Speaker 2: You know. But uh, but the kit link is legit. It's a thing where like they have this like I can't talk too much about it, but it's we have they have it on. 00:01:11 Speaker 1: Kit Link. 00:01:12 Speaker 2: But I can't talk about what this jacketary the way this dry so anyway, but you stick your hands in these like pocket pockets, like pockets under your pockets, and it goes into the pockets the source. If you have a source jacket on underneath one of these like bigger like Solitude type jackets, and you put your kit link hands into your source jacket on the inside, it is the warmest place on. 00:01:34 Speaker 1: Earth, you know, the the one that's like the super source. Uh yeah, that has very comfortable kit link like it's like it doesn't feel like you know how like on those for instance, you got to stick your hand through zippers and it kind of hurts when your hands are cold and dry slipping them in through that saut stuff. 00:01:52 Speaker 2: I know, baby, It's it's good man, y'all. 00:01:54 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see some like it. It's gonna be good. 00:01:57 Speaker 2: Anyway. We're out again, middle of nowhere, just not the Andes Mountains this time. We're here in Texas and we're hunting at least Casey. And there's some new found friends of ours. 00:02:10 Speaker 1: On this there are. Man, we got a couple uh new buddies, as you'd say, neither new buddy nuddies nuddies. JP France Houston Astro's picture right handed pitcher. Yeah, which matters because that's how you decide. 00:02:26 Speaker 2: Uh, a right hander that looks like he should be left handed. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: It's JP, dude, I'm telling you. He reminds me so much a wild thing off of that movie. What was that movie called Eric Major League? 00:02:38 Speaker 2: We should have had Eric on this podcast. 00:02:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can plug him in. Can't we just turn him on? Can you do that mid thing? 00:02:43 Speaker 2: I don't know if we can mid thing, but you know we can. There you are, I'm. 00:02:48 Speaker 1: Here, Eric major League. If you have baseball trivia, Eric is on top of it. Uh. But JP France is here, and uh, he looks like a left hand picture but he's a right handed pitch ash. You'll probably hear from him later. And Uh, he's got a custom Bino Harness leather plate thing on the back that has like Houston Astros and his he wouldn't say it's his face, but like he has glasses and a mustache. It's kind of like a signature look. And he's got like somebody made a leather thing for him for that that it's pretty cool. I'll take a picture and put on the story. That would be cool. Yeah, Pop would have liked that, I think. And then a completely different guy named Lei McNasty or Lee mcclenton, depending on how you know him. He is a I mean, I wouldn't call him a social media influencer, but he's like social media famous. He makes funny videos on social but he likes a deer run a whole lot. Its from Lousia. Both these guys from Louisiana. Yeah, and so it's like where we kind of got like this whole thing or we're just trying to just fight off all that nasty coast Louisiana that concept. 00:04:07 Speaker 2: The boy was they dirty swamp we had h we had we had a guy on uh at s MU when I was there, and he was the only white cornerback on the team at s m U. I don't know if he ever actually played a down of like cornerback position. I think he's in special teams a little bit. Uh. He he may might be listening. A good friend of mine named Chase Courtney, and he was from Alexandria, Louisiana, which a lot of people consider North Louisiana. I think it's like kind of in the middle of state. And he his nickname was gutter Rat because just because he's from Louisiana. That's it. That's the only reason. I mean the coach I think our COACHNICKI nicknamed him that r DB's coach that came out with June Jones coach oedem He is one. 00:04:57 Speaker 1: Of my favorite coach. Lacking nicknames, and you were still young enough to play on some sports team, a coach will give you a nickname. It's just the way it goes. 00:05:05 Speaker 2: You can give names, uh e e yeah. 00:05:08 Speaker 1: Like error yeah, yeah, a lot of errors because it's like red Panda and there's an a in there. E g. Right, yeah, yeah, that's it. So JP France and every day games lay McNasty up in here. You'll we'll probably have them on the podcast here very soon. Do you have a nickname? I didn't really, no, trying to think they called me T Jones because we had a Brandon Jones, I know, Brandon Jones. 00:05:39 Speaker 2: Yeah that's a different one. Yeah, but yeah, they called me T Jones all the time. 00:05:44 Speaker 1: I uh, yeah, I don't even know if they ever called me that. I played a lot. Yeah you do, you know, I bet I got called by my number a whole fifty two. Yeah. Peyton Manning knows me well. Uh Uh, yeah, he's got a brand named Omaha now or something. Right, what's he doing with that? 00:06:05 Speaker 2: I forget, But I don't know. Is that like a charity thing? 00:06:08 Speaker 1: No, I think it's like a Omaha podcast or maybe something like that that Peyton's doing. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: I had a buddy text me on the day, So if you ever watched the Money Night deal with Peyton and Eli, and I was like, I've heard it's pretty funny. He's like, it's just really cool because you're just sitting there, like they're just watching games like they probably would be doing in their living room and if they're at home watching a game together and just kind of like, I feel like it. I don't know. The way he's explained it is like it wasn't too like it wasn't like a coach. It's just like, you know, you get some cool commentary and insight, but like it's not like over the top and in your face. 00:06:43 Speaker 1: It's just not a Tony romo. Just yeah, telling you man, that's impressive. 00:06:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, we watched. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: I watched the thing on Tony Roam the other day. It's kind of sad. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: He's a sad guy. He yeah, Mexico. He really regrets that really really does, like the of his whole career. I feel like, man, it's like I don't know Tony. I'm not gonna say because Eric is such a huge fan of Tony. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: Dude, the people in your family are not fans. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: I love Tony, but he's fine. I just there's just like a few things. Yeah, yeah, sure, a little overrated. 00:07:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, well the same with me. Man. Uh so uh the uh lay and JP or out hunting and we're taking it easy. We're kind of doing some cooking stuff, hanging out. Uh, we'll do some hunting later in the week, but uh, we're kind of like playing like host. Not really god, you know, but just like we told him to come hunt with us, and uh this because I'm gonna I bought some front rounds. I figured we could do some fun stuff. Five foot three three dude, So we're gonna makeing some burritos Britas as we call him, dude. I told my dad the other day, Ude, you've been adding a to everything. Man, I can't notice that. Nah, that's why we say no. Man, the exact opposite of Michael when you say window like you can't wind. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't say o window WILLI pillow. Yeah, that's listen, guys, how bad it would be if I want to around. 00:08:20 Speaker 2: There's one I could not remember it I want to tell my dad about. 00:08:22 Speaker 1: It is not avocado. 00:08:24 Speaker 2: No, it's it's like it's outrageous. I can't remember what it is. It's one of the more like it does. It almost is like the opposite of sensible, you know what I mean, whatever it is, I can't remember what it is. I'll come up with it some points. 00:08:36 Speaker 1: I mean, if it has an old thing end of it, I pronounce it with an A. It's just every word Colorado, Coloradolorado, Colorado, and or coloraider sometimes. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: With all he's been doing Colorado since I met him. 00:08:47 Speaker 1: You probably say Amarilla, Amarilla for sure morning, Uh, Oklahoma, it is for sure, man. Hey, this is what we talked about that ago. This If y'all haven't watched this, this hunt that Tyler went on for his muility was really awesome. But I'm gonna try to not be too distracted by it on TV. Anyways, We're out here doing some hunting in Texas. Texas has a crazy long rifle season and we're gonna get into a very cool rifle hunt story here in a bit, But there is some controversy in the world of rifle hunting. Now I don't mean just some Illinois bull that ever brings up in here. Uh, how long is the rifle season in Illinois? That's what I thought. But what I what I do mean is that the state of Missouri in particular, has a rifle season that oh I had, Uh, that sits right in the later days of prime rut. Like I wouldn't say it's like prime, but it is good, and a lot of Missouri residents don't like it, a lot of them because they get to chewed a lot of deer. But there's like a paradox involved with this that I kind of wanted to just bring up and have some conversation about. Texas doesn't have that. Instead, we have two and a half months of rifle season pretty much depending on how the dates fall. It's usually the first Saturday in November and then it'll run through the first Saturday in January, so about two months. But then there's like some extra seasons in there for doeing, spike and this, that and the other. Sea you can hunt deer with a gun in Texas a whole whole lot In Missouri, I believe it is ten days, and they're right in at two weekends and a week at one of those times, so it's shorter. 00:10:44 Speaker 2: Ll be similar to Oklahoma too. 00:10:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oklahoma, I think it's two weeks, right, And I don't know. 00:10:48 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's like two weekends. Is that it? I thought it used to be two weeks, But I know there's a lot of like public land hunts that are nine days, so I feel like they were just mirroring the season. Maybe so, but I don't know, maybe not, But. 00:11:01 Speaker 1: Either way, it's it's still shorter, right. And so the juxtaposition that I want to make is that it almost would seem that people are more conservative with their shots, not like as far as risky shots, but just taking shots and hunt at a slower pace and maybe don't shoot up the woods near as much on a long rifle season versus a Missouri or Oklahoma where it's like we got a short amount of time to do this, let's all just hit the woods and just plaster things as quickly as possible. I would like to see more stats on this. I'm really bringing up more than I am solving problems. You know, because it's something I've been thinking a lot about. Not that I have a lot of control over the regulations on this stuff, but I would like to think that we as a people can stand up to tyrannical forces and tell them, hey, we don't like this regulation, or we do or whatever you know, and we here's what we think about it. 00:12:01 Speaker 2: So, Tyler, Missouri's ten days and Oklahoma looks to be about two weeks. 00:12:07 Speaker 1: Okay, So what do you think about what I have to say there? Do you think that you know? Because you're looking at I heard you saying stand up to tyrannical forces. 00:12:17 Speaker 2: That's right. 00:12:17 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the main point, right, But do you think so Missouri? Our friend Sean lucktele talks about this often, and Sean's a sensible guy. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: He has a show called Heartland Rifle Hunter. 00:12:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, Sean. Sean is not a fan of the Missouri rifle dates, as are other Missouri hunters that I know, Adam Keith Matt Die talked to Matt the other day on RETF Fresh Radio. If you aren't listening, we're hosting refresh radio on the Wired to Hunt feed. It's probably the best thing on the Wired to hunt feed. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: Don't listen, Mark, don't listen, don't worry. 00:12:52 Speaker 1: So uh. Anyways, they they they're very outspoken, uh in a you know, tasteful way about how they don't like and they wished it was at different dates. And I just wonder if the social pressure from those ten days is worse than the month or two month long rifle season that our deer endure, because people there are like, there's a three year old, I only got four more days. I need to shoot that thing, Whereas now it's like you see a three year old in Texas on the fifteenth of November. You got like over a month to see that deer again if you want to shoot him. 00:13:29 Speaker 2: That's a good point. I don't know the first year, so the first year I got my property and hunting the ranchbot. Many people might remember. There was also another buck in that video that I went full draw on at one point, and he's a really nice like probably one forties type eleven point he's basically the main frame. 00:13:52 Speaker 1: Ten Talk to him. 00:13:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was super nice. He had an inside grin. And this deer was probably five or six years old. I had a little history with them. I don't feel like going through in the whole story right now. But so I end up shooting the ranch buck on the thirtieth of November I believe it was, and on I don't know, in the middle of December, like near Christmas, I believe, maybe even after Christmas, I find out that one of the neighbors has shot with their rifle one eleven point and cannot find it. I believe that neighbor has a fairly small property, so I don't know how much they were able to leave their property and get permission to go elsewhere but never found the deer. I consequentially, or maybe correlated, I guess did not ever see that deer again, and it had to have been that deer that was shot. And so looking at that, I feel like you make a good point. But there's also this thing where it's like, if you hadn't gotten your deer by you know, Christmas break, then you're gonna have some spare time around the holidays that you don't have to work. And guess what, it's cold one day and that deer wants to eat it a feeder in your backyard and you can just shoot it from your back porch. Yeah, And so I don't know, man, I just I still think that, like the eight week season is just terrible. I think it's I think that it's you're right, there's like this fast and furious. 00:15:28 Speaker 1: Well, to clarify, I'm I'm not saying one is better than you, No, I bring out just the idea of them being different. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: Sure, and maybe pitching that that might be more intensive for harvest or whatever. But I mean, I I just think that like, if your rifle season is ten days long, there's probably gonna be a lot of people in the woods and there's ten days right there may or may not be negative impacts to what the deer doing, and so it may be maybe less chance that each person kills a deer than they would have had if there was not such an. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: Influx of people into the woods. 00:16:06 Speaker 2: So maybe those people aren't getting deer or as many deer as they would like during that period, whereas over an eight week period, things change. There's second ruts, there's all kinds of things that can happen that make deer move. Cold fronts, I mean there's there's been we haven't had hardly any cold fronts, Like since October. 00:16:25 Speaker 1: We've probably the best one since Yeah, that we're having right now. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: I mean, so you think about ten day season versus we're now having a cold front, you know, almost the first cold front of the year for rifle season, I don't know, six weeks into it or whatever. So if you have an eight week riffle season, that it helps you to hit a cold front when you have an Indian summer type of year or whatever you want to call it. So, I don't know, it's an interesting thing to It's probably not even quantifiable and not like something that you can actually come to a conclusion on in any study. 00:16:58 Speaker 1: Here's the deal. 00:16:59 Speaker 2: Less you're a certain organization that loves to come to conclusion. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. If you're acronym of your society ends with w D, you probably will find some data to support whatever motive you have. And so like, I can see a world where the Texas Rifles season could change because they'll do whatever they want to and where they'll follow the money. And so I'm probably getting in trouble right now. Sorry, guys, I don't know. At least it's you not me, that's right. That's what I'm known for saying the controversial things. But if you got any if you've got a brain. You know it's true anyways, So how bad would the social backlash be if they cut the Texas Riffles season? 00:17:43 Speaker 2: Bad? 00:17:45 Speaker 1: Bad. There's a lot of gun owners in texts and while and that's what Swell would get get, you know, it would get framed by the other side, is like it's an attack on gun rights, you know, and hunter opportunity in that kind of stuff. And I'm not saying better for worse. I'm just saying that it is. It's crazy to me that bow hunting wasn't legal until the seventies in a lot of places, and then now you look at these other states like Illinois, for instance, you don't have a rifle season. There's a shotgun season. I think. I don't even know if y'all can use the walled cartridge? Can y'all use a three fifty legend? Do you know you're asking the there's a muzzloder season? I guess yeah there is. Yeah, So like there's a couple of those things going on, but there's short it's usually a weekend, yeah, and so like it's bow hunting about here only And it's weird, how like things just completely swung the other direction in a lot of these other states, and uh, it does make for good deer populations and good aid structures and all that stuff. But at the same time, I mean, there's a reason why Texas is known as hun state. 00:19:07 Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm trying to look right now to see so paid I'm looking. 00:19:15 Speaker 1: Well, this is fishing licenses and at one point. 00:19:18 Speaker 2: One I think I think it's over a million. 00:19:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's one point one hunting licenses. I believe one point million. 00:19:24 Speaker 2: Trying to give me fishing licenses, fishing and hunting licenses. Says on this, Well, okay, here we go. Here's a hunting graft Texas one point one five, one point one five. I don't know when this article is written either. PA is the next one at nine eight four, nine and eight. 00:19:41 Speaker 1: For that's a lot, because PA probably has less people overall, you know, so per capbitin it's really hot. Yeah, but but. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about one point one five million. 00:19:53 Speaker 1: One million, one hundred and fifty thousand people, and you take guns out of the mix, and there's a Here's here's the thing I realized the other night. 00:20:03 Speaker 2: This is literally something I realized this week, I think is that people I'm gonna say it here. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: Guys. 00:20:10 Speaker 2: People like the They like the thought of hunting more than they like actually hunting sometimes. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: Do you mean hunters like the thought of hunting or you Yep. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: And I realized this because I'm having some conversation. 00:20:24 Speaker 1: We talked about this. 00:20:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think we did, but uh, people love to I talked about this with my dad too, so people the reason we've talked. We talked a lot about actually Texas antlyrigs the other night, and this is where this conversation came into play, where I said that guys don't want to fight against the thirteen inch rule and they and they people dudes love to say, Uh, there's a lot of dudes that are like, oh, yeah, he's just he's just you know, sixteen inch wide buck man, I didn't shoot him. 00:20:58 Speaker 1: You know. 00:20:59 Speaker 2: They like to say that, like as if they're trophy minded or their management minded. They want to make bigger deer, they want to shoot big deer and stuff. But I truly think dudes don't want to deal with the deer after they shoot it. I think I believe it. I think that is the a number one thing with Antler eggs that people just are on board with and I think that in the same way it's hard to archery hunt and you have to get close and you have to put in time. And today in our society, time is not something that we have much of. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: And that's why I think that cross bowsers are really embraced. 00:21:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to practice. I mean you you put you side in the end and it's ready to go. You don't have to practice. 00:21:40 Speaker 1: I've had you probably should practice a little bit, but I ain't nothing compared to bo. 00:21:44 Speaker 2: You should think. But for sure, it's not like an upright bow. But like, I've had a good buddy tell me this, So I'm not just saying this statement just like we're throwing it out there. I mean he's told me, like, hey, I saw that thing in I had shot it since I go out there and I smoke a deer with it like three months later or whatever. You know, Yeah, and I think that to me, I guess that's what I'm saying. Is like, So, the reason that rifle hunting could never be shortened in Texas in any near future, I don't think is because the general population loves the ability to take a gun that has been sided in for fifteen years and not have to shoot it except for added deer that year when they see one that they like and they like to go get in a box line and sit one hundred and fifty yards away and not worry about the wind and not worry about moving and sit there with their kids, which is good. But like it's just a little bit. I'm not saying this. I don't want to say this in like a super negative way, but I think that guys take it as an opportunity to be lazy and lazy in the hunting sense. But I think if this is what you enjoy doing and you want to relax, I'm cool with it. I'm not trying to hate on it. I'm just saying this is the thing. This is why rifle hunting is gonna still have an eight week season. 00:23:01 Speaker 1: I also think that there's an inverse correlation, inverse function type thing going on with Texas being the lowest public land availability state and the longest rifle season with the most hunters because it's a huge it's an economy thing because there's no public to go on, so people lease ground in Texas hunt dere on. So what we do. We're here on a dear lease in Texas. It's the thing you do here. It's it is common practice. It is the way it's done. If you were a public plane hunter in Texas, which I have been, you don't get a hunt much. That's just it, you know. And so that rifle season allows guys to make good on their investment in a lease because leases are not cheap. They range, right, But everybody's going to pay at least one thousand dollars to hunt deer usually if you're not, then you probably aren't seen a lot. 00:23:57 Speaker 2: Of And to kind of bolster your point a little that, think about if they took rifle season and pinched it into nine day season, two weekends and a week dudes aren't probably paying. 00:24:08 Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting it. That's why I'm getting like they wouldn't do it. No, it's fine, but I'm glad you understand the same thing i am. They it would severely impact the economy that drives the Texas hunting force. 00:24:21 Speaker 2: And you said this before we got on the podcast. People don't understand Texas. Yeah, they don't understand how massive it is. You're if you're literally talking millions and millions and millions dollars would be would would be lost in economy value. 00:24:35 Speaker 1: If people stop leasing ground. And I get it, it's extra income for landowners. But you know what, somebody in their family worked hard to own that land, you know, and they they deserve that income. 00:24:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, and guess what way go spend money on trucks, that's right, and then people who work in truck factories get money people who work in check factories. 00:24:53 Speaker 1: Listen, we're in a little bit of town in Texas right now that right now the number one economic driving factory outside of Christmas buying is going to be hunters. 00:25:03 Speaker 2: We're paying for an airbnb that's right right here in this town. And this house wouldn't have an owner in it probably to. 00:25:08 Speaker 1: You, Yeah, this house would have a renter or something, you know, or it might be pushed down at this point who knows, right, But like on the airbm enlisting Airbnb listing, it says hunters welcome, like at the top. Yeah, you know, so it's like a thing that's there's a there's a dagum ibex on the wall, and here you know, there's a Neil guy in our rooms, right, you know, like they know who they're appealing to. 00:25:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, well they know that the kings are going to be up in that room. 00:25:34 Speaker 1: That's it. Tyler I shared a room up in here, sitting hanging out with the nilgs. 00:25:40 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:25:40 Speaker 1: And uh, have you touched the beard on that neil guy? Uh? Uh? Have you touched the beard on his ibex? 00:25:48 Speaker 2: No? I almost hit it with my head earlier. 00:25:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it does about the same color. 00:25:53 Speaker 2: Really, it's the same consistency too. 00:25:55 Speaker 1: Dang, dude, take a picture there and that thing, Oh for sure eric ibecs. Dude. Yeah, they were asking what kind of ibex it wasn't when till it was an eric ibex. 00:26:04 Speaker 2: Uh looked like a sand one. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say, yeah, you got short faced ibex. 00:26:09 Speaker 2: I think I think that's exactly it. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: But all that is the precursor to our discussion, or that was our discussion about rifle hunting, which Tyler I brought a thirty thirty on this trip. I might shoot me a deer two or three with that thing. So at some point in time, I am leaving here with a deer. We got dough tags and we got dose, so I'm gonna shoot a deer. Absolutely. And then you brought uh have you ever been to like a big bellis. Yeah, and while I have like the gun room back there. Yeah, that's what you brought, I think, Yeah. 00:26:47 Speaker 2: I did. I brought two shotguns, ones over under one's a I think I brought a nova in the other one. It's been in my truck since for a week and a half now. And I bought a six y five creed More that I won in a meat eater uh company contest. 00:27:08 Speaker 1: How about that? 00:27:09 Speaker 2: I outshot everybody. I talked about it a while back, but I was, uh, well, you got to compete against I didn't out shoot you, honest because he wasn't in the competition, so you know, but I out shot I was in Steve and Cal and Phelips is a group and it was intimidating. Phelps is a good shot. 00:27:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe that. 00:27:29 Speaker 2: And I had He actually had to teach me how to use the gun that because I was like, I had, I don't know how to do this. He was like, you press the button, you and you chose you you're dope, and you adjusted on the deal and hold a little bit for windage. And I was like okay, and uh but anyway, so I got I got me a free six y five Creedmore, which is awesome because I wasn't about to buy me or a new gun, and. 00:27:51 Speaker 1: It was the most controversial round at the moment. I bow. 00:27:53 Speaker 2: It is pretty controversial, yeap. So you don't like a d well potentially, I was open to it. Yeah, And the windows done a whole lot of proving, the windows closing quickly. I mean, I still am always pretty much going to stand by. Like saying that a cartridge can't kill deer is like saying that my bow tech bow can't kill deer. 00:28:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a whole lot of other stuff going on, sure, you know, and so we'll get into that. 00:28:22 Speaker 2: We talked about that la earlier. 00:28:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:28:24 Speaker 2: You know, he's like, he's shooting a two seventy and I was like, I good around man. He's like, yeah, it's just an old gun. It's no no reason to shoot anything different. It kills everything I shoot with. 00:28:35 Speaker 1: You know, he gave him a three to nine redfield on that thing, which you know ain't a great scope. Yeah, and he kills stuff because I mean, most of the country doesn't need to use a tech knob and dial in for three eighty seven, you know, Like he's hunting the Louisiana and shooting deer at ninety yards and it kills them dead. 00:28:50 Speaker 2: It's fun. 00:28:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real cool when they drop two seventy you put them on the ground. 00:28:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, well as a big dog for me on the ground. 00:28:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's funny. We're gonna get into your story. But like, you grow up thinking certain things, and then as you get older, you kind of learn some stuff. Not that you were taught. Yeah, you were, you were taughtrong. I was taught wrong, wrong, but I still appreciate everything I was taught. Otherwise colle got going on out of my head, like cuddling with your bow or something. But so growing up, I always thought of two seventy was a small gun, and then the three hundred win mag was a big rifle. And then my parents got me a seven mag because it was smaller than a three hundred. And then you grow up and realize those are like all magnums, So they're all just kicking the tar out of you. It ain't they they're you know, depends on who's listening, all of you are gonna be like, there's a lot of difference in those. But then for the general public, those are all about near the same thing. Yeah, you know, at one hundred yards, they're blowing holes in deer and you're putting them on the ground, you know. So it's just funny think about this. And then we have the new stuff like the six five come up, which you recently got to use on on a hunt I did. I. 00:30:03 Speaker 2: So I got to do some some rifle deer hunting in Texas on public land, which was really cool. 00:30:12 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:30:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so you know it's it's uh. 00:30:16 Speaker 1: There's it's only you, like seven people in the world that got to do that. 00:30:19 Speaker 2: There there's limited opportunity for sure to do that, and so I was very glad to get to do that. And so I was going into an area that I thought would have some pretty good deer. 00:30:32 Speaker 1: I's gone, I don't know if y'all know this, but they're phrases within the element that you can't say that's the one. You can say it. There's no penalty, but it's just like. 00:30:41 Speaker 2: He was going or I was going, that's awful. So anyway, I thought there'd be some big deer around. So I'm like, man, you know, I want to I want to kind of hold out for a day or two and see what's around, you know, And and so we Greg and I go out there. Because Greg's a gun hunter from Texas, he kind of gets it. So we're like, he'll be good on camera to understand how this goes and what to show, you know, what people want to see when it comes to gun hunting and that kind of thing. And some me and Greg go out there. We stay in a hotel on the way out, get there the next morning, and we go out that evening. And this story is not super long because we we go out with the plan. Basically, deer gonna be moving off this property to some ag probably in the area, and so we're gonna hunt deer that are moving that way. But really the idea is we set up on this little shelf on the edge of kind of a creek and I don't know, we're probably twenty feet above like the bottom. It's all like kind of it's like floodplain type stuff. We can see pretty good ways. It's pretty I mean, it's open, pretty open, and we're high so we can see. Well, we're just gonna sit there and wait for these deer to travel by, and we're gonna figure some stuff out. I'm gonna learn and where are these deer like actually coming through and going to this sag source, you know, this food source or whatever, Like where are they gonna come through? And then then tomorrow we'll set up on that and see if a buck comes by. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: That's the plan. So we're just really playing. 00:32:12 Speaker 2: Dude, we're chilling where sun's it's kind of warm. Sun starts to kind of go down. We had seen like three doughs kind of get up, move beds, and then eventually leave after they got up again. And and so I'm like, I start glassing as the sun starts getting low, and I look over the west and I'm like, dude, there's a pretty big buck over there. And when I say over there like three quarters of a mile and I'm looking through these twelves at vortex makes that are awesome. They're razor and they're just super clear. It's like the best binos I've ever looked through. And I'm just like, but they're twelve twelve by so they I mean, they can see pretty good. Like I can see this buck is good. I guess what I'm saying from three quarters a mile, but I can't tell what he is exactly. I just see a big frame when he turns like looks at me. I mean it is he's wide, and I'm like colleges and so I'm like, he's with a dough and they're kind of moving slow, but he's just shadow on her. So I turned to Greg and I'm like, dude, should we go that way because it's away from the truck. I'm like, should we go just get it? See if we can get a better look at him. I just want to know. I feel like he's his frame is big. He's potentially a shooter, you know. And so Greg doesn't really you know, he gives me the subcontractor like, you know, passive. I don't want to make the decision because you might be mad at me if I make the decision kind of thing, you know. 00:33:40 Speaker 1: And so, but he did say something he did yeah about it was like I don't know or something, yeah, and so, which I can't. 00:33:48 Speaker 2: I can't, you know, hate him for that. I mean, no, you don't. It's something guys do anyway. So no real advice. So I sit there a couple more minutes and I'm looking. 00:33:58 Speaker 1: At I think Greg prefers to be retrospective. 00:34:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you can be right and right. So Anyway, we we're sitting there a coup more minutes, so I'm still glassing. I'm like, man, they're not moving very fast, and I start looking at the map and I'm like, we could probably we could probably ambush them pretty pretty good right there, like in the direction they're heading. And I'm like, but they're kind of heading off off of what we can hunt, Like they could get there before we could get there, potentially, and so you know, I'm like, man, I'm just sitting there thinking, and finally like I do, let's just go. Let's just let's just go, trying to get a better look at him, so we like pack up as quick as possible. Greg still packing, I'll take a leak. We take off, and we burned like tons of ground down this like ridge system, and we we drop down into the bottom, we burn more ground. I'm trying to pit check on them every once in a while, and we start getting fairly close, like within a few hundred yards several hundred yards to where like I feel like he might see us, you know. So we're kind of staying in the stuff a little bit. I'm glassing. He's to my west, Like I said, the sun's going down and it is making it very difficult to see what he is. So I'm like, look, I'm glassing into the sun kind of, I'm getting a lot of flair and like just you know, distortion, essentially, can't tell what he's what he is. He looks big. So we get we get like three I think we get like three eighty from him or something, and I still cannot tell what he is. And then he's just got a big looking frame bill if BLF and I mean, I'm like, I put my I got a fifteen power scope on that gun, and it's a vortex as well. It's awesome scope, but I still, because of the sun, I guess, cannot tell like what this teer is. I'm looking him through the scope, which I don't know if that's appropriate or not. I know a lot of guys do it, but like you know, Greg's he asked me later, like, you know, is it do you feel like, you know, looking through your scope and stuff is something we should show on camera? And I'm like, I don't know' That's the way I've always done it. 00:36:00 Speaker 1: Man, me too. 00:36:00 Speaker 2: I got my safety on my finger off the trigger. 00:36:02 Speaker 1: I'm not you know, Lee and I were talking about this morning. I was like asking if you had buy and I was like, he said no, Man, I just look at him through the scope. 00:36:09 Speaker 2: I was like, that's how I. 00:36:10 Speaker 1: Always did it too. But there I go out with buddies that were from West Texas and like they use Bino's until it's time to like put your finger on the trigger. To me, I'm like, man, I keep my figure out of the trigger guard, finger out of the trigger guard. I can just do whatever. 00:36:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just an optic yeah. And you so we we like kind of like I think we use my bag as like a little lean to or whatever. And I'm sitting there looking can't figure it out. So I'm like, all right, there's I start looking at the map, but like we can't get any closer going at them because we're about to cress this hill and just be in the wide open at three hundred and eighty yards. They're going to see us for sure. So I certain look at my map. I'm like, man, we can cut up this little drawl right to right to my north here and then go down essentially a two track on this place that goes almost to them. We hop up over this. It's like nice, Like, I don't know, what do you think? What do you think a caprock is? 00:37:05 Speaker 1: Do you mean like hot? 00:37:06 Speaker 2: If I said cap rock, what would you what would you think of? 00:37:08 Speaker 1: I would think it'd be like a cliff cliff face with a with a like smooth spot on top kind of thing, kind of like rim rock almost. 00:37:17 Speaker 2: Wee vertical straight down pretty much. It's like a it's a cliff. 00:37:21 Speaker 1: It's it's a cliff that goes downhill into like a steep erosion based gravel. 00:37:30 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I don't know if this would qualify, but it was a it was a pretty steep but small hill, and and it was and it had like some bowls and some canyon type stuff in it, and that's where they're heading into last I saw them. So I'm like, we can just do this. So we take off the dude, I'm sweating, you know, like jacket too jackets on for this, didn't plan to have to go this far. Uh huh. But I still can't see him. So I'm like, all right, essentially I can make this really short. We walk down that and up over this. When I, you know, wanted to call a cap rock with this hill and there's a saddle, and I'm like, we're just gonna walk over it. He got real quiet. We're gonna walk over, real quiet. He's gonna be in there, locked with this dough in this little bowl in the middle of nowhere, and I'm gonna get a look at him. Well, I walk up over and I see I see a deer head and it's him, and he's at ninety yards looking right at me. All I can see is his head. I don't know if they heard me coming up or what, because it got real quiet and the wind died. 00:38:30 Speaker 1: And was he like spooky or was he like thinking you're another butt? 00:38:34 Speaker 2: He was alert, Yeah, but I don't know that he was really spooky because he's looking at me and I and Greg stops, you know, and then he all of a sudden, like probably thirty forty seconds into it, we're just staring off. I don't have a gun, shoulder or nothing. I can't even see his vitals. And then I hear a blow and it's the dough. It's with him, and he turns and looks at her. I believe, and I'm like, all right, Greg, here we go. And so Greg gets up, comes up. I still don't know what this deer is exactly because it's it's like after sunset and so everything's gray in Texas. If you don't know, these deer are very gray a lot of times. And Greg comes up, gets it on him, focuses quickly. He does a really good job of that most times. Whenever he gets that camera up. He finds a dear quick and I'm like, are you ready? I'm looking through my scope like this thing is why, dude, and I can't tell a whole lot about him, but the frame is there. So I'm just like, well, we're here, and I'm sweating. I'm fixing to shoot this thing, you know what I mean? And Greg goes, yeah, I'm on him, and I was like, are you sure? And he was like, yep, pull the trigger, and to my surprise, he's still running. And I saw a bunch of dust below. That's weird, and I was like, did I smoke the ground in front of me? And and so I rack one, I shoot again, I rack one, I shoot again and if he drops, he's running downhill and just drops like a sack of potatus when we go up to him and uh. A few minutes later, and turns out I didn't miss him. And I mean he's an eighteen inch wide like not on a huge body deer too, Like he is a big deer for his body, you know what I mean, Like he's he's a he was a big deer. I was told he was five by somebody who looked at the teeth and he so he was like a mature deer, big body for for that area even and he was eighteen inches wide, but he's just a little bit short up top. But he's a I mean, he's a solid eight point. 00:40:43 Speaker 1: I thought he was cool. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: He's awesome. He was awesome and so but you know, I was kind of a little bit regretful at first because I was like, man, it's the first day, Like should I have waited? It's a weird feeling, you know, And people like say people like to say, I don't ever want to be forgetting a regretful because you know, it's like not value in deer's life, and it's like, well, I can't help what I felt in that moment, you know what I mean. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: Well, people that hit the hit a deer with the Hana Civic and kill him aren't very regretful either, you know, except for their car. 00:41:13 Speaker 2: So like, yeah, you know, so yeah, it's a good point. But anyway, I did. I did for a little bit. And then when I when I had a guy that I trusted his thought stick his finger in that deer's mouth and say he was five and a half, I was like, okay, so you after, that's what I was trying to do. You know, I just didn't know for sure, because dude, we've been shooting some giant Midwestern deer and you know this deer, I think he dressed like one for three or something like that, so solid buck, but like not he didn't. I mean, my Kansas buck might have dressed two hundred, you know what I mean. So it's just a different looking animal. And you just don't know when you've been shooting South Dakota deer that you know, eating willows all summer, you know and stuff. 00:41:58 Speaker 1: So yeah, they look away different in South Dakota. 00:42:00 Speaker 2: Here, yeah they do. But it was awesome, Like once I found that out, I I just had a lot of peace in the situation. Made me feel a lot better. I was, and now I'm really was. It was a you know, I look back on it and more regretful about the fact that I was regretful, but I understand, like it's just a thing that happened, you know, And now I'm like, that. 00:42:21 Speaker 1: Was really cool. 00:42:21 Speaker 2: I actually had to go shoot that five year old deer. 00:42:23 Speaker 1: Okay, congratulations, thank you by the way. Very cool. And you know what the people like to hear is that they eat good too, you know, like meat eater. Right, that's right man, me. But for real, like it's just like people go too far one way or the other on that stuff. They're like every year excited about everything. Everybody's gonna be polarized. Man, it's got to be a North or South pole. It's just how you are. But we eat equator boys around here. That's right, bro, they're just try in the middle. We eat them and we like them in tropic text. That's it. So uh, the question on every deer hunter's mind is how do you feel like the six ' five did on that white deal. Can you kill a deer with a six five? Yeah you can apparently. 00:43:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was surprised that he ran after the first shot. We looked at the first shot and it was like a frontel and it went like base of the neck, his face. I mean, he's he was downhill, so I mean it should have smoked everything. 00:43:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, but. 00:43:26 Speaker 2: I don't know. It is weird and I don't know. I was using ammo that says competition Ammo, but that was all I had. 00:43:36 Speaker 1: But it's a it's a boat to a hall point. So if anything, it should expand too fast. 00:43:44 Speaker 2: If anything, I think, yeah, well he was running. I think he's running dead. But like the third shot dropped at Michael Rock, So I do know that, you know it can drop them, but I don't. I didn't even. I don't even think I saw him flinch after I him the third shot. Yeah, with a high shoulder or something that was mid body, but it's a quarter away, real hard, so it hit the off side shoulder. Yeah, you know that's what dropped him gut. 00:44:12 Speaker 1: So what duckton? 00:44:13 Speaker 2: I think? Yeah, I would love to. 00:44:17 Speaker 1: There's a video on the Mediater channel. It's a thumbnail look says big Bores on it. But the title I think is Texas Hog or something like that, right with Garrett long Uh in the Element boys. You should go watch it if you have. And it's like what y'all probably like about what we do on the med Eater channel. I mean it is it is an East Texas deal it's it's one of my more favorite videos that we've made, just because what we were doing was a lot of fun, a lot of John bowten and hogging and all kinds of stuff going on in that video. We'll link to it in the description below. But in that video, Garrett is using a six to five. It's a semi auto six to five, so it's an AR ten, but it's a similar uh and it's the same round and I believe same bullets or yes, same cartridge and bullets that Tyler shot this deer with. And the first shot that he puts on a hog might have hit some kind of brush or something, but I don't think it does. But it hits the hog on the point of the shoulder, and the round just kind of disintegrates and the hog runs off and he has to finish it off later. And between that and your experience, I know the kind of shot you took on that deer ninety yards with a high powered rifle frontal should drop a deer in place unless you hit him like really low in the brisket and it's like just bottom of the heart or something. But I am now more of a skeptic of the round than I used to be. Yeah, but it's like I think I mentioned earlier. I have two bows, all right, they're both the same speed boat. And one of them I got four hundred and sixteen grain AARs with some expandables, and the other one I got five hundred and thirty five grain arrows with some big expandables and some fixed blades. I can promise you they are two different tools at this point in time, right, So that's how I think the six y five is gonna be. I think it's just in that middle range where if you take the right shots with the right animal and the right ammo, then it's very effective. But there's probably like I think this is why guys shoot two seventies a deer. You don't have to worry about that. The you just gonna kill them dead. There's none of this. Let me find the right ammo. You can go get corlock two seventies and you're gonna kill every white till in Texas with that thing. It ain't gonna they ain't want to contrive it, right, And so like I think that maybe the six ' five is the the like fiddler's gun. What what what's the right word I'm looking for? You know, like the guy who likes to miss around. Yeah, likes to tinker around with stuff, you know, And so like it's a cool gun. It's very flat shooting, uh, low wheat recal. I'm assuming right it was. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean I was able to the last two shots were really quick. I mean I was able to pull. 00:47:22 Speaker 2: It off really quick. 00:47:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, you so. And that's because that gun's not flying everywhere because it's kicking the tar out of you, right, so you can get back on the animal quick. So I think that it has a lot of positive attributes, but you probably it's just sits in that weird range of like, uh, you know, they're not magnums, so like you got to kind of have some things dialed kind of like a three o eight or a sevenimeter eight or two forty three. All those guns kill plenty of white tails, but it's not the same thing as a magnum. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean we're gonna test it on some hogs, I think sometimes the spring or summer and try to have a better idea. But it's cool gun. It's a sig cross and uh, it kind of looks like an ar platform gun. 00:48:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of cool. It's gotta it's it's kind of modern chassis on it, you know, but it's it's a bolt, which is it's Yeah, I like it. I like the folding stock on it makes it like a real easy transport. It's really cool, man. 00:48:18 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was. It was. 00:48:19 Speaker 1: It was awesome. 00:48:20 Speaker 2: I mean it's a cool place. I wish we could have been there a little bit longer. We uh will put a video out. We actually went out and uh hung out on the place a little bit longer, just to because it's I mean there's so many quail around and all the you know, wildlife and stuff. Man. It was just it was a neat place. I wish I could have spent a lot more time there. But then we went from there to uh hang out with you and uh we'll have to get the rest of that story on the next podcast here the next couple of days. 00:48:55 Speaker 1: Man, I'm excited to tell that sort for sure. It's it's good stuff, man, but good stuff on that bucks here. Man. I know you're looking forward to that hunt. It's kind of cool to shoot some with a gun. YEA, Eric's never done it. Oh sure, a turkey you did you smoked it. That's right. I was thinking about right, I should have said rifle, yeah, yeah. Do you have interest in shooting things of riffles? Yeah, I've been. 00:49:18 Speaker 2: My goal is to draw like a late season elk rifle hunt one day. Oh, are you trying to shoot a bull or a cow or it doesn't matter. I like to shoot a bull. 00:49:30 Speaker 1: Do you have an adequate amount of warm clothing? Uh? Hopefully? Or do you know someone who can? Maybe that's good. Late season elk hunting is not for the fact. Well, i'll tell you what. Never mind, we won't get it. That's off off podcast conversation. Late season can be really cold. 00:49:48 Speaker 2: I got some ideas. 00:49:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, me too. That's cool. What are you gonna shoot him with? You need to figure that out, are you well, well, don't tell Laurie, but are you participarly procuring? 00:50:01 Speaker 2: Well? 00:50:01 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm a Texan now, so that's right, man. I still don't, Sorry, GLORI doesn't. Well, guys, there's a lot of dear season left. Get out there and hunt with rifles or bows or whatever. You want to have a good time, and remember this is your element.