00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm KC and I'm Tyler, and you're listening to the Element podcaste. 00:00:19 Speaker 2: What is happening on my woods people? We are hearing a cabin hanging out in New Mexico trying to kill a turkey, and we might have actually got one already. KC. Tyler, don't let the turkey out of the bag here. God Gummet might have, y'all might have. We're out hunting a bunch of public ground and having a good time hanging out. It's big crew, dudes. We've had some business. Today has been quite the day. Michael has had a good twenty four hour period here and there's been a lot of things that have gone on that are scary and that are also fun. We've had some good food. We ate that turkey? Did we actually did a a Steve Ranella recipe? Well with a yeah, it's been, it's been. It's not it's the it's the Southern version of it. 00:01:10 Speaker 3: One could say it's Steve, you know, uh, predating upon our heritage. 00:01:18 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, you know, with the southern pre flavors that you're calling him a good hunter. Huh uh So at least, oh I am, I've been wearing the First Light Trace stuff all week and I like it more every day. That's right. I think we talked about it last week. 00:01:40 Speaker 3: We say this stuff even all air guys, so you know, if you're worried about this being an ad for First Light or whatever it is, but that's at the same time like we do like it, absolutely do. The It is cold in the morning, so you want to have more. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: You know, this is desert country, you know, so you're going to be cold in the mornings and hot and the evenings. But that I've been full trace Camo stuff and it's been work good enough to have birds in real close. The leg zippers are actually really nice. Man, vent vent that stuff out, It's right, man, that's right. Vent it out, vetted out, win vented out, vet it out, vented out. Listen, y'all. The Buck Truck episode number two is out. Okay, if you haven't seen it, you go to the Media channel. All this Buck Truck stuff we're going to talk about next several weeks. That is that's going out on Media channel. Unfortunately we can't put it down on the Element channel. I know, you guys, or you know it's two clicks of the mouse instead of one. I know it's a big deal, but make sure you go over there check it out. We're going to talk about the story of South Dakota, which is episode two of the Buck Truck, and we're going to go into the same kind of format as we do in Nebraska, where we talk about some of the struggles we had, how we overcame these things the past years we might have had in these areas, and how that all plays into a certain situation that we got ourselves in too. So with that, we'll you go ahead and and get into this. You know, one of the one of the hardest things for us in South Dakota in the past case was finding like shooter bucks, right, yeah, well we couldn't. Finding deer is not a hard problem finding infectable bucks. 00:03:19 Speaker 3: I guess I might say, well, because I who he's respecting them. I like to kind of shoot small deer sometimes and some people, I guess that's a shooter for me, but some people don't call that a shooter. 00:03:30 Speaker 2: We've been talking about how fun it'd be to shoot mule deier doze out here. Oh man. 00:03:35 Speaker 3: You know, you remember how Chris Bracket you shoot them balloons and it was cool. He shooting through a piece p pop. 00:03:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you're doing here, shooting balloons, but through Muldier does Brennan. They're big, big old dos, right, I mean, and it's cool to shoot stuff, man, it's fun. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: But yeah, the point you're making is finding shooter bucks, finding nice mature deer, and honestly, South Dakota is a state that uh has a lot of you and some areas have a lot of white tails in some areas don't. In some areas are in between, and if you venture too far into part of it, you might end up in a spot where you know, you're not really finding uh the deer that you're looking for. 00:04:14 Speaker 2: Yeah too much? Yeah, I know, you know, and especially the first year we went in twenty twenty, we struggled with a couple of things we saw. We did see shooter bucks first night, right, or at least one shooter buck first night from you know, fourteen miles away or whatever. But we did see one and it was a white tail. But you you know, we did struggle to find white tails the first year at times, and you know, we had you have a it's a deer tag, which is it's crazy that we're supposed to be managing with biological you know, reasons in mind, right, but who we just have a deer tag? Is this saying something? Oksee as they are saying that white tails and are the same thing, be. 00:04:59 Speaker 3: Careful because what you're starting to say is that you don't agree with the science and you're gonna be called a science non believer. 00:05:08 Speaker 2: That's not the case, non scientologist. You just want to practice good science. It's not faulty science, that's right. So what is the what's the good science? 00:05:17 Speaker 3: Good science would be to manage according to a species needs in both habitat and food and hunting pressure in all this. 00:05:27 Speaker 2: So are we going to say that this is you get back on this. Let's go our mulear and white field the same species. 00:05:34 Speaker 3: So if not, then we need to manage them differently, and that would mean you would need to get a tag for either or for one or the other. 00:05:41 Speaker 2: So if you put a bunch of large mouth into everywhere with a bunch of small mouth, and all the large mouth started eating all the small mouth, and your large mouth start thriving, should you just continue to keep the bass regulations that you can just keep any black bass when those small mouths were there endemically, and I mean you know that there's just all these different you know, you run into these different issues with should we say, okay, well you can keep ten bass black bass, and then next thing, you know, we've got a very very hard suffering a small mouth bass population. If you if you see that happening, maybe you should say, well, nobody can keep small mouth bass or whatever. We could limit the methods for the small mouth bass. Good. You know, it's really easy to take a thirty six and shoot a small mouth bass from two hundred yards or wait what am I talking about here? But uh, you know, say, if you will, you have to use you know, artificial only on ten pounds tester lower, you know, or something like that. You know, it would limit how many small mouth bass you could. There are ways to do it. But either way, Nge on this podcast, you would want to manage with small mouth bass in mind, not just trist in general, right man? So yes, exactly. Anyway, there's some good food for thought there. Some people will understand what we're saying. Some people will be lost, and I'm sorry if you are. So let's get back on track here. We decided that year that we wanted to We've always loved white tails, and so we've always wanted to hunt white tails wherever we go. If a muleitier steps out there and we got a tag for it, we're probably shooting if it's prettysolutely, you know what I mean, But like, I'm trying to hunt white tails. And so we did move next year, but you know, that year. We'll get back to a little bit more and tell some stories from that year, But that year we saw these same things happening that we've had to kind of overcome over the last couple of years. We've been there three years now, back to back to back years, and one thing that we have seen, mainly the last two years that has been tough is sickness. And I don't know what it is, but it is like maybe it's traveling sixteen eighteen, fifteen hours whatever it is to get there in a car and one day and eating junkie food and maybe that's been a part of it. But I know in twenty one, COVID is really a thing, right And I don't even know if I can say that on this podcast, but apparently it's over now. I don't know if you knew. 00:08:24 Speaker 3: That legitimately according to the super duper legit government we have. 00:08:29 Speaker 2: It's over. My friend also said that NASA confirms the sun as being hot too, so there's some pretty good stuff coming out, right. Funny, it's bring them NASA because I don't believe what they say either. That's a different deal. 00:08:41 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll be seeing them wires and videos right. 00:08:46 Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, you got COVID pretty much right before we left, and we're dealing with it on the way up, and then I pretty much got it from you, most likely while we were there. Second time getting it. Yeah, me too. We always had it from my four We always give it. 00:09:03 Speaker 3: Back and forth, and I haven't got it this go around, so hopefully, hopefully I'm all right. 00:09:07 Speaker 2: But yeah, that puts a damper. 00:09:10 Speaker 3: And then I don't feel like there's some other sickness stuff that's been dealt with too, that's not just uh you bount in there died on that first. There was one time I woke up in the middle of the night and was like asphyxiated or whatever the word would be, Like I could not breathe through my mouth or my nose and had to like you know, pretty. 00:09:29 Speaker 2: Much a whole Yeah, just knife tracky out of me in there. Eric was real freaked out. I bet you know. Uh so, yes, sleeping there was weird all together. 00:09:43 Speaker 3: But the sickness thing has always been a problem, and I think that we've tried to kind of address that a little bit just by trying to be a little healthier. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also, if you get sick while you're camping, it's it's a it's a little bit harder than if you got like a restroom and not a stuff. Yeah, I mean it's it's a it's nice. So what we thought this year is that we would we would kind of fix that sleeping situation, which is something that we've talked about in the Nebraska Buck Truck podcast as well, and the sickness situation. If we got sick, then we would be in a decent place. Greg got a migraine while we're there. That's pretty bad. The first night. I kind of remember that. It's almost like that's a thing. Yeah, he gets them. Uh yeah, for sure. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: So that's another thing which is kind of tough to address. But having a for Greg, having a place with a coffee maker helps. 00:10:36 Speaker 2: With that, yeah, for sure. And speaking of food and drink, that's another thing that we've had to kind of overcome. Because this the first year you and I went, I guess we scoped it out for like eight people apparently, because the next year we went back. It was just you and me and a camera guy the first year, and he camera guy filmed me shoot a buck and you shoot a buck on the same well, he didn't film you shoot a buck, but he filmed me shoot a buck and you shot a buck on the same nit. Y'all were at distance and could see what was going on out but I filmed it. Oh good, but so yeah, so uh but it was a really it was an awesome night and we had a great time off all this. We actually slept really well on that trip. I slept as good as I have in a long time. There's we were in a you know, very remote place and it was super just there's no wind, which was weird, and it was just beautiful and quiet. Man and I slept super good. Best of her slept in a tenth by far. But you know, feeding the next year we came back, we had do we have seven six or seven dudes? And then this year we had do we have seven? This year? Maybe the we lost for five we lost to Michael to Tony, that's right, and uh gained a Hunter and a Chris and so it would be seven. So we had a bunch of dudes in camp. And when you talk about feed them, you know, one thing, it's nice when you when you hunt a lot, you have a lot of ground meat and eating burritos. And you talked about this, but eating burritos is not a bad thing, man, No, man, I mean that tortia is the worst thing on that deal. Otherwise you're just pegging that thing full of stuff. It's good for you. 00:12:15 Speaker 3: And you know, I think the first year that we went to South Dakota, we were just dead broke, and so we were probably eating a lot of sandwiches and stuff and it was fine sandwiches and chips. Then this past year we tried to cook a little bit, but we camped against twenty one. We camped a lot and cooked. I remember you and Hunter making up pretty good breakfast for us. In one time we found some bacon that was unsalted. That was kind of weird. 00:12:43 Speaker 2: It was very weird, but you know, other salt. Yeah. And on that trip too, when I was recovered from from COVID, man I got to give my boy Hunter a shoutout on that deal. He also is slow moving in the mornings, but it's not because the COVID. It's just because of the short legs, I think. And he just doesn't he likes to get a slow roll in, which so him and I were pretty good pairing on that trip. And you know what y'all invented by doing that honey coffee the buck truck, the buck truck, that is the buck truck. That's right, that's right, and here we are here, we are our butt trucking. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: But Hunter brought me some honey coffee one morning and it made me feel a lot better. 00:13:26 Speaker 2: Thanks Hunter, Yeah, I know nice. Then the buck truck loaded up some bucks, so y'all kind of got to move and real slow in the mornings. And instead of hunting, because y'are you're hanging with the guy who likes to watch him and you're you're also sick, and y'all are moving slow in the morning, y'all are driving around during some pretty prime time finding bucks, and y'all like started calling at the buck truck right, and it carried through that. Well, there was a scouting day where our truck went one way and your truck went a different way and we won the day. Yeah, sure so, and then that's how it was officially started with the buck. Eric were you Eric's not on the podcast? Sorry? Were you with us when we saw the big muledier buck? And we're like, somebody was with us? Maybe Chris is in the back seat, and uh, Christ was with us, somebody was in the truck us. It would have been old chatter Ross. Chatter Ross was there. That's right, that's right. He came from a different direction, so the countain was different there. But yes, we probably had seven that year too then which had the camp. 00:14:27 Speaker 3: And so uh we uh that Muldier is the one that kind of got the buck. 00:14:32 Speaker 2: It's fun enough because the buck truck is such a white tail thing, but as a Muldier that that started it, well, buck truck has still seen a lot of white tails, that's right. It might see a few Meldier coming up. Who knows. Butt truck is more of a metaphor, you know, it's like your stuff. Yeah, so you know the the you can see that we've spent some time there. We've got a bunch of different stories. We ended up this year we went to South the CODEA and met our good friend Tony Peterson. And we might have alluded to that just in a second ago. But Tony is the kind of the water dude. He's hunted and killed a lot of bucks over water. So we we thought, man, it'd be a good good thing to go with him. And we had a massive drought last summer, and so this this was kind of our plan going in. But you know, we ended up not really. We didn't have a whole lot to do with water. We scouted a lot. I guess it's weird, but where I ended up getting my shot was at a water hole, but to a deer that wasn't going to the water hole. There's a there's an interesting concept of this, and I'd like to explore it further. But do we want to talk about that hunt? Do we to talk about some stuff before that? Well, let's just go back to the beginning. Okay, let's talk about twenty twenty a little bit. You know, we spent we actually, like I talked about, we didn't have a ton of deer, and we drove around a bunch like we do. We located some deer the first night we came back to him. We kept trying to trying to find a way to hunt them, and the wind just never was right. It was the weirdest thing. But for like four days straight, it was like we needed a north in the evening or something or south in the evening and we had a north and then it would flip around to a south in the morning and we needed a north. This is where I kind of. 00:16:25 Speaker 3: Began my thought of like how I want to have a throe f plan of places to go because we just had one spot and everything else was a guess. And whenever you're in that situation and you're far from home and you feel like you could be at the house building something to making money or whatever, it makes you feel real bad because you're you're not really being very efficient sure, and you're not using your. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: Time well you know. And yeah, wheels for like four days. Yeah, and that's the that we drove so much on that trip. I remember like having like about near bed sores from driving so much. I remember would take two naps without getting out of the truck. Yeah, I go sleep, wake up, and go back to sleep again. Did you nap? No? Not once. It's a cameraman thing that is so uh Anyway, we we ended up only having like one good spot, like he's saying, and it was it was we didn't have wind, and so we thought, well, let's not go bust this up because the only thing we got. So we waited and it was literally the sixth day of the trip before we could go in on a good wind. But when we went in, we felt good, right. I was like, I mean, I pretty we called the shot. I mean we were like, we're fixing it, gonna kill deer, like we said it on video. You know. We went in and uh, you were hunting ground. I was hunting a tree and we got we didn't even get I got like half whipped trade before a bucket already come by in that early afternoon. And then we get in the tree. It's not long and I hear a buck coming and I see him. It's a one and a half year old seven point. But at that time, I was like, dude, this is cool around a cool place, hard trip. I'm gonna shoot a buck because there's a bunch of them around, and I'm gonna take this meat home and enjoy it. And I ate everybody bit of the meat. I mean I enjoy it. And so that's what I went up there to do. There's a bunch of people that, you know, want to clown on that. But dude, we're seventeen hours from home. I'm taking a buck home. I spent way more than any of these residents. Yeah, to take this buck. Yeah, it means something to you. It does absolutely. I've got a euro mount of that little tiny Yeah. It's cool, man, Look as time, seventy five bucks on a euro amount, you know, I mean I thought it was cool. So anyway, I shoot that deer and so. 00:18:52 Speaker 3: Not to go on and on about that, but I think that there's a lot of people that understand where we're coming from on this, and for the ones that don't, I'm not shooting that deer on a place that is a heavily managed place. 00:19:07 Speaker 2: You know, they all hold their Joe Iowa tag this year. You ain't going up there shoot that deer. 00:19:12 Speaker 3: I'm gonna let that dude walk on December thirty, first of the bost season, you know, but in South Dakota on a fun trip flinging era. 00:19:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's like you can put on country music and it just sit in the background, or you can put on a rock and roll and actually it turned up and listened to it, you know what I mean. So don't but people will understand. That's what I'm saying. You don't understand. There's people that don't understand why we're shooting one on Alfyols. You know, it's anyway shot that deer. I hit him good, thirty yard shot. Had had a heavy arrow, two blade broadhead, and it, you know, went through. I actually found the arrow in China the next year on a mission trip, and it was pretty pretty cool to find at that point. But anyway, this deer disappeared, but he looked like he was hit good. And so we get down take all this stuff down. We're walking up out the strainage was the same direction he went, and I see him on the way out in the bottom of the strainage and I was like the heck, yeah, this is awesome, you know. And so we just sit up top and wait on KC and I can see him like several hundred yards away, and you're set up. Talk about your setup and what happened. 00:20:23 Speaker 3: My setup was it's like one of those places that you didn't really like to hunt, but it's a killing spot. I can only see like fifty or sixty yards in any direction. It's kind of in a little bowl, and there was just a little plump ticket in there, and I set up in that plump ticket and then deer would like pop up on the way to food. So I was just sitting in there kind of waiting, and we had seen a big buck go right past seventh Square, and we spent a lot of time on the maps figuring that out too, like zooming way in on on X, seeing what plump ticket was where, and where the trail might be and all that kind of stuff. I remember like really diving into that deep and we like worked it all out, and sure worked out. I had Doze come by a like, and here's the deal. The trail is not right by the bush. It's like fifty or sixty yards in, which is. 00:21:10 Speaker 2: Sad uh out in like foot grass yeah, or taller even it's that something grass pretty tall, yeah, And. 00:21:18 Speaker 3: They're a small bachelor group comes by and then kind of like at sunset is starting to get a little. 00:21:24 Speaker 2: Dark, a big buck comes. 00:21:25 Speaker 3: Out and I'm thinking, Okay, this deer is not going to give me a shot if I don't do something about it. 00:21:32 Speaker 2: So on October sixth, I bust out six yeah, I get it, or six yeah. 00:21:37 Speaker 3: Bust out my grunt call, and sure enough he's like turns his head, looks and comes over to check it out, starts trying to get down wind of me, but gives me an opportunity to a big dude, big old brow times. 00:21:48 Speaker 2: Ye, like I was like stoked with big brow tones shooting a one hundred earths sorry, shooting a five hundred and forty five grain arrow at about two hundre're fifty eight feet per second just to kill a machine, right, just a two blade broadhead on the front of that thing, sharp as a tack, maybe one of the sharpest ones out paper. 00:22:11 Speaker 3: Cutting son of a gun and shot that thing in the shoulder, got about an inch penetration. 00:22:17 Speaker 2: How far was he when you shot him? I would say that that deer was somewhere around twenty three yards, so that your arrow should be It's close enough that I didn't range him. 00:22:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, from from what I remember, it's been kind of long, but I don't remember ranging. 00:22:32 Speaker 2: I didn't have to. I couldn't range that deer because he was like looking at me the whole time, right, And uh yeah, So shooting what happened the old I'm shooting the old pass through set up, and do not get anywhere near that, because sometimes you hit deer in places that it just isn't gonna kill him. Where do you think you hit him in the knuckle, in the knuckle, in the knuckle. I think I hit him in the knuckle. 00:22:55 Speaker 3: It's you can kind of watch it, uh, you know, on Homo on YouTube. It's on there, I think, yeah, the videos on YouTube and two bucks in one night or something like. 00:23:04 Speaker 2: It's also the last scene in our season intro from like all our twenty twenty one stuff. I think it's like the intro, you know, for thirty seconds and then the last scene is that slow motion shot. 00:23:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get I get about no penetration as soon as the arrow gets so you can just see you go what long, you know, just because it stops and we don't go look for the deer that night, look around for blood a little bit, don't find any wait until the next morning. 00:23:32 Speaker 2: I'm stressing out. Probably must have ever stressed. 00:23:33 Speaker 3: Out about any of this kind of stuff, just because I wanted that dear bad and go down and do a stomp out trying to find him. Grid searching and end up bumping him and he ran off like super healthy. So he's he lived to see another day with a heavy arrow setup, which from what I understand, is impossible. 00:23:58 Speaker 2: But I saw it. So you think you hit the knuckle or the ridge of the shoulder. I don't know ridge. I thought we had assumed it hit the ridge. I don't know, but it's hard to say. He wheels out. Yeah, we're actually kind of watching this right now, and anyway, it's not super important, but it hits the deer and what looks to be a pretty good spot and then all of a sudden, the arrow is like fleeing around. 00:24:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I smoked him. You know, I'm self filming and it's all happening in real time. Yeah, and he's broadside twenty yards. I think I smoked him, shooting a capable setup. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: And quality arrow, quality broadhead that's super sharp, two blade heavy, and it doesn't kill him. So we're making a point here, so as you can't if you can't tell, keep following. Right, So that happened, we had to go home. We decided immediately we're going to go back, and then we ended up finding a different kind of a different region to go to and thought, oh, let's go try this. 00:25:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was very a very wet year that year in twenty twenty one. 00:25:28 Speaker 2: Fact, while we were there, Yeah, it was very well. We rained a bunch on us, we camped and stuff like that. So we ended up killing three deer on that trip. Long story, short day. See October fourth was just Eric Gentry's birthday. I killed a nice ten point that was just so fat right where we started talking about pillow dear, Yeah, that's right, and uh, he was just munching willows in this thicket going back to batting. Zero pillow. He was a whilli pillow and he's going back to betting at eight in the morning and came right through. Man, it was It was one of my you know, sometimes most of the time you have these like ideas and you go in and you set up doesn't work right. This was one of those times when I was like, dad, gum, and I nailed this as good as I've ever nailed it. You sure you know what I mean? And Eric, this was Eric's first first year to video being shot and it's a little out of focus, you can tell, but he did again. We freaked out in the tree and had a good time. It was his birthday. We went and celebrated in the bottom of every hostess treat we could find at the comedian store. I think we. 00:26:42 Speaker 3: Explained, never mind, I can't. I can't harp on him that hard man. I'm sorry, No, I can't. You know why because we love Eric and he's gotten he's like the best. Yeah, okay, but that day we had to explain to him that do you actually weren't fuzzy because he sees him fuzzy. 00:26:58 Speaker 2: But there's a there actually very chris to most of them. They have fine hair. Yeah, so uh, you know, And just to take another chance to take a and throw this point together, I actually shot a big broadhead that is mechanical, expandable, flapper like, and that deer ran like twenty yards and died. He died inside a bow range from most fellas. Right, yep, where did you hit that, dear? I hit him a little bit back and a little bit high, but double lung. I didn't hit him in the shoulder. Yeah, I mean, I double lunged him. But it's like it was probably five inches from the crease, you know what I mean. It's a good shot. But yeah, so it didn't hit the shoulder. Right. Then hunter shoots a deer, uh straight, like if you could just put across here from top to bottom and left right in the middle, that's where he shot the deer is the most middle part part of the body I've ever seen, maybe with expandable and then two blake expannible two blade spanel killed it. Well, it took a while. It took a while, but he killed it. He didn't he didn't hit any lung either. Yeah, he did kill it, so but it was sketchy. It was sketchy, but he killed it because he put a big old broad head deliver the I think the point here, what we're getting at though, is that that was not where you want to hit one. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: No, and any broad hip would have killed a deer there, But who knows where you find it? 00:28:35 Speaker 2: So we continue on. I filmed him. You kill that. It was a it's crispy. It's pretty crispy. It's the most crispy one of the three kills from that year for sure, or from that that trip. And then uh k c finds a way to get it done last minute, right. 00:28:55 Speaker 3: It was kind of wild. I kind of got over COVID almost and went on OVID. Yeah, and you and Hunter actually had been in this place a day or two before, and he shot a deer that morning, so it cleared it up for me to go in there. And I saw one of the bucks that y'all saw the night before, and it was one of the most insane encounters of him. 00:29:17 Speaker 2: Excuse me of my deer hunt. 00:29:19 Speaker 3: And I can almost forget about that because I've gotten to do a good amount of hunting and had some lot of fun. 00:29:26 Speaker 2: But that deer came like five. 00:29:27 Speaker 3: Yards and then circled me and smelled me, and then ran out and got curious again and then walked back in at like thirty seven and I smoked him and hit him exactly where you want to hit a deer in the crease. And she sunne expandable with that one as well. Where'd you shoot him? Where'd you where'd you hit him? After you got him? I center punched the heart there was. 00:29:51 Speaker 2: How wide are those things? Two and a quarter or something like that? 00:29:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, something like that, And there was meat on all sides like there there was no nickage to the heart. 00:29:59 Speaker 2: It was like through the middle of it. 00:30:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, which, by the way, if we want to deep dive into some of the anatomical stuff. 00:30:07 Speaker 2: I would rather hit a deer in the lungs in the law than to me too. It's cool when you hit them in the heart, but they die a lot faster than the lungs. Yeah. That video is on the Element channel's call. If you search perfect Shot, you'll probably find it. I searched South Element, South Dakota and found it pretty quick. But it's a cool video. And you killed that deer by hitting them behind the shoulder in the heart. So okay. So that's what happened in twenty one, and then we end up going back in twenty two and meeting our buddy Tony Peterson. It's a fully different, completely different situation. Absolute drought from absolute like rainforest, you know what I mean? Yeah, weird man, Yeah, like anywhere. Anything we knew about the year before went away. Yeah, because the I mean, and that was proof. In the first couple of days. We spent the first couple of days and we were looking at all bunch of stuff that we had seen the year before that was good, and none of it was good. We had to completely relocate and find different stuff. It was not fun to do. 00:31:09 Speaker 3: No man, and that's the thing is South Dakota for us has always been like, oh, this is just so much fun. 00:31:16 Speaker 2: And it was a ton of work. Yeah, it was. I ended up The first spot that I relocated to was good, and I found found a big buck and it was actually I called a buckhole because there was more than one big buck in there, but I only found one the first evening and had a hypothesis that the deer went to water because he's going away from food. And there were two deer that were coming towards food that evening in the opposite direction, and so I just thought, well, he's probably going to water. And I could I could look at the map and figure that there was water. I didn't know for sure in the kind of the bottom of straw. So Eric and I go the next morning and look at this place from a different angle and we see a buck and we bet him, and I'm like, I'm about to kill this, dude, I mean, is I feeling good about this? We sit there and we dial everything. Dude, I'm through looking through spot and scopes and I'm just like, Okay, there's that tree. I'm pretty sure that's where that buck went the night before. So that's where the water would probably be if there's a hole in there and there's some water in there, and here's where the buck is got it all mapped up and taking screenshots, taking screenshots or pictures through the spot and scope and stuff, and we leave out, go get lunch, get back in there pretty early. I think A big, a big key point to make is that this was a very difficult entry, super super thick to get in there at first, And it doesn't really look like it too much on the video because we're so thick that we're not even able to video hardly in there. We're just like squeezing through stuff, right. So and also if you d drew out everything that actually took a long time on a video, then it would be kind of before four hours. Yeah, but I mean people would watch it, but maybe not everybody. So anyway, we we get in there, get in there, I get set up, and the I'm going in to get set up. We dip down into the bottom. It's hot, hot, and I find the tree that I had marked and it is like a bad leaning willow, and willows just do that a lot of times. They just turn they just lean over real bad. But it's right. I mean, it's the only tree I can make work and get the shots that I need to because I need to get shots up to the top of this creek where like the flat is, and also down to the bottom because there's a major trail coming into this water source. And you can see it if you watch the video here in a little bit after you listen this podcast. There's a there's a crazy trail, and I'm sure there was like a beaver in there something too, But it was a good trail coming down down the creek to this like deep hole in the creek where there was the only place holding water, and I set up right next to it. Would have been an a yard shot to the side of the water hole probably, I mean it's close. And then it's like ten yards to a trail that like comes down the edge of this creek, and then there's another trail out there that's probably like twenty five or something maybe. Well we're sitting there. It was really loud getting up in this willow too, because they have this weird bark that makes a lot of noise putting sticks on it and stuff. I get up in there and I'm basically having to like stand on my left foot and kind of push against my left foot the whole time to keep myself in shooting position. I could relax, but I wouldn't be in shooting position if I did that. And I'm afraid not to relax and then try to get into shooting position because the bark creaks when I do that. So I'm just in a constant state of just stay still. It's getting you know, the wind is starting to get lighter and stuff. This dough comes out. I won't make the story forever, but this dough comes out, walks down the trail right next to you know, right on top of the creek basically, and doesn't get water. She comes right past us, like ten yards. There's willows everywhere, little bitty ones, and she gets our wind is kind of blowing at like, say, like a forty five The closest place that she is on the trail when she's coming past us, forty five degrees past that, if I'm looking, or maybe a little less is where she would pick up our wind. And she did and picks u her win. I'm thinking at that point, what I thought is if a deer came by his first and picks her wind, there it's just going to run on and go all the way up towards ag right. Well, she gets her wind, gets weird and runs right back across our face and into you know where that buck is pretty much. And I'm like, man, that probably missed the whole thing up and it wouldn't. It wasn't ten minutes, I don't think later, And I'm just keeping my eyes back looking, you know, and I see a horn flashed through the willows back in there, and I'm like, hey, there's a buck coming. Get ready. So Eric kind of gets the camera ready, finally finds a buck, gets on him and he's coming. He's close already, like he's probably like forty fifty yards when he gets the footage on him, and he's just on a straight walk and he walks down and so thick that he's like having to move his antlers through the brush and stuff, right, and he gets here. I get drawn when he's like at thirty walking towards me, and then he kind of pans out and goes parallel or perpendicular to me, and he gets broadside and he's so close and it's so quiet that I don't feel like I can grunt stop him. And so I'm like, well, it's like ten twelve yards, you know, it's nothing, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna shoot him. And so I'm following him, and he's so close that the sight picture of my sight his shoulder fully feels pretty much like there. And so I lose track through the willows of his shoulder and when I pull trigger, I feel like this is done deal. And it hits him, and I'm shocked to where it hits him, because it's not where I thought I was aiming. And it hits him on the point of the shoulder, you know, So it looks like it would have been hard if it was back you know, probably four or five inches, maybe six inches whatever, But it hits him on the point of the shoulder. And the same thing is what Case's buck is on that video if you've watched it, arrows hanging out two foot you know when he takes off, and I knew immediately. I was like, it's thinking a chance, dude, I mean, I barely have a chance that the stair is getting dead. So long story short, I'm just gonna go and spoil it for you. We don't end up finding a dead deer, So frustrating experience. We show it on video because we could show all the successes and make a bunch of dudes that have that happen to them feel like they're the only ones that happens too. Because I got buddies that feel like that. So we find it important to show some of our mistakes. For sure, we're not person And you did the amicable thing, right I suppose, and didn't continue to hunt deer. You decided after that that you had done your damage. I like shooting the shotgun, so it wasn't too terrible to go hunt of and stuff like that grouse. So tell me about your arrow setup, Tyler. My arrows set up. It's the same thing I shot in Nebraska, which killed the deer real quick, Real dad, where'd you hit that deer? That deer right behind the shoulder, right where you're supposed to you know, double lunged. If you haven't watched that buck Truck episode, the first one Nebraska has a big old expandable and a five hundred grain arrow, so plenty of which is. 00:38:19 Speaker 3: Fairly heavy to an average arshers standards. Now to me, that's lighter than what I shoot, But anything like that. 00:38:27 Speaker 2: Is is shot you shot at five dred and forty five grand arrow with a two blade. Yeah, and it didn't also didn't right. The point of this is is that shoot what you're comfortable with right now. I have gotten to where I. 00:38:40 Speaker 3: Really do like a big expandable, especially one that's well built. You can see in that video that one breaks. Yep, dude, I've had its fixed blades break right. And you know what else? Man, The whole point is, if you hit a deer where you're supposed to, it's gonna die. And the expandable does help you sometimes when you marginally hit a deer. If you I have papercut deer with the little fixed blades through the liver and not found them because it just takes forever. My Kansas twenty twenty bucks example is I found a deer, but. 00:39:15 Speaker 2: It's don't bleed very much. They don't have a big hole. 00:39:18 Speaker 3: No, you hit a deer in the liver with an expandable, you're gonna find him in an hour. 00:39:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, it's as deadly as anything else. 00:39:24 Speaker 3: I'm not advocating the liver shot, but what I am saying is when you do it, you can feel good about it. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: And UD's and the expandable for me helps me make better shots because we've talked about it before. But my thumb situation, I just have. I have tork not to mention. You can see in the go pro footage of me shooting. If you go to our Instagram, you can see this the go pro footage of me shooting. When I shoot, I almost look like I'm falling. And that's that's me holding holding myself to the tree the right way, right and certainly torking about, you know what I mean. So it's ten at ten yards not going to do anything different probably, but at thirty it makes a difference, you know for sure. So there's there this is going to take with all of it. Yeah, ex exactly, exactly right man, there's no like. 00:40:12 Speaker 3: If you want to make archery a thing that there's no like variability of lethality, then you just started riphoning. 00:40:20 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, absolutely, like it's the whole point. So while there's more tags for archery this and the other, do you feel does it make you feel good to do that to that deer? Absolutely not exactly. I was talking about it this morning. I literally had like an anxiety, not anxiety, adrenaline like rush when the deer's coming, because I'm like, I'm fixing to kill a big old eight point just made the plan like I was supposed to. You know, it's done. Deal, he's coming right to me close. And then I go from that to like, I'm almost one hundred percent sure that deer is not going to die. And you you know what I'm talking about if you've been there. But it made me feel Legit made me feel like I was gonna throw up and nauseous, and I like lean on the tree and I'm just like, I can't believe it, dude. It did not make me feel good for the purposes of trying to you know, kill a deer, and for the purposes of trying to do it for video, and for the purposes of you know, wounding what I think is the coolest animal on the planet probably you know, And so it just it doesn't feel good all around. Man. Since then, have you adjusted your setup? I've shot some different setups, but not really at animals, not for deer. You shot a lot era of thing to for like I was gonna do it for Turkey. Yeah, for Turkey, and we ended up not arch unting for Turkey. But but I mean I still have the same setup, and I and I that was early in the season. I still kept shooting the same setup. Yeah, how many more, dude, you kill? I killed a buck and a dough and the then another buck in the New year, sure enough. And a Neil guy, Yeah, a Neil guy, which, by the way, Joe Rogan says, you can't kill the bow, so yeah, you know it's uh, it's a thing right with the mechanical, the biggest one I could find. That's right. 00:42:10 Speaker 3: So all that to say, it's still very lethal, and you're gonna have some give and take. 00:42:16 Speaker 2: And you're a good shot and sometimes messed it up. I did, dude, I did. That's the way it goes, man, Yep, it is, and and uh, I would absolutely do. If somebody's out there shooting iron wheels, which is what everybody tends to think, you know, is the best or whatever, then I'm do it. Yeah. They may good. They kill things, dudey if Bill made a mechanical, I'd shoot the thing for sure. Who's the guy that who's the guy that shot shot like bears with blowgun needles and killed them? Tim Whals? Yeah, yeah, dude, if you hit them in the right spot they die. That's right, That's what it's all about. It is hitting the right spot. Yeah. So anyway, you you had a uh pretty good long hunt again and got to learn a lot. I tend to have long hunts, and I'm the second guy to shoo to dear almost if you're not. I don't mind that. I am think about it. I can't spoil stuff right now. So there's some trips, okay, So yes, from there on you became my scouting buddy. 00:43:22 Speaker 3: Uh out Tyler dropped me off and go look at stuff, and I would go hunting and not a lot of sein and you did see some deer. 00:43:32 Speaker 2: Food was the ticket? Corn was the ticket. Yeah. As weird as that was, this is another can I make a point where yeah, I got an intigestion. I love you to talk more bed to food maybe works better in a drought situation. I feel like because they have to travel further, they couldn't browse around more, that there's not just a ton of food on the lips landscape, and they they need some food and they're going to go there earlier and possibly stay late, possibly stay later and possibly yeah, possibly stay right later. Right as we find out, So I h you're gonna get a little bit of insight into some of the stuff that doesn't make the video. 00:44:07 Speaker 3: But we found some deer on a morning that were eating in a cornfield steel. I stalked in and never got a good shot at one of those bucks. I tried, and it was it was a stupid thing. But and then on the way out from that big old loop, ended up bumping some deer that were coming back to bed and I take a shot at one of those deer and it's far shot. 00:44:33 Speaker 2: I miss a shot over him. Uh. 00:44:35 Speaker 3: But then figure out like, hey, this is the spot to be because these deer are sticking pretty close to the food actually, but there's a good cover here. And then went back in the next morning and set up in a tree and just did the thing like the textbook deer hunting thing to do, you know, go back to a bedding area. It's cold that morning too, was it was a good cold that brisk wind. Well, the wind actually helped it a lot with getting the shot off because I was in a pretty exposed tree. 00:45:03 Speaker 2: But it's so windy, I mean I could have done a jumping jack. I love it too, if the deer moving and it's windy. Oh it's the best A lot of times, you know, I think back to your Illinois buck about a windy day. Yeah, it's cool whenever you get that wind. You're talking about twenty twenty Illinois buck. Yeah yeah, windy day. Yeah, I still got seen. But that's seen either way. Yeah, but uh, dear died, so it worked. But had a really nice uh what I call a representative of the species, representative of the area. So not a booter in the video, I call him a medium buck. He's not a giant, but he's not a tiny he's not dough necked. He just looks really really good, really pretty. And this dear what else he is really tasty. I can't give it away. Sorry, Well bucks are yeah. Yeah. And so this deer comes down. 00:46:02 Speaker 3: The hill from food and stops about every two steps and eats leaves off the plumb bushes the whole way down. And I get to watch this deer for like ten minutes probably, and you know, like it's a good build up, you know. 00:46:20 Speaker 2: Like, oh, he's getting closer, he's getting closer. 00:46:22 Speaker 3: And I do the thing where I pick up my boat and I go to draw, and then he stops walking. 00:46:26 Speaker 2: So I'm bringing it down. 00:46:28 Speaker 3: I do like three different times, and finally the deer comes out into a good broad opening and stops on his own and I draw my boat. And that's whenever you get on YouTube and go watch a buck truck. How far was he when you drew? 00:46:44 Speaker 2: I think he's like forty forty one, and he took a couple of steps in, So if you like, if you were saying, the closest he ever got before you shot probably thirty five. 00:46:56 Speaker 3: Thirty seven, thirty seven, thirty seven yards. I had my pen set on thirty eight. 00:47:01 Speaker 2: I only know this because we just watched the video in a long ago, but I had a pen set on thirty eight and he got to thirty seven. I arranged a gap that I was pretty far shot for a lot, I guess, yeah, for sure. I mean for you, it's not too big a deal because you're a good shot. Man. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: Well, I practiced a lot and it's ah, that's something I really care about. And you know what, if you really care about it and you're still on a good shot, that doesn't mean that you don't care. 00:47:24 Speaker 2: That's right. But that's thanks, man. I appreciate the compliment. I like, I like shooting boths. It's a lot of fun and yep. So anyways, go check out Bulksruck if you had guys, it's pretty cool. This is a really fun episode. It gets to really man. Eric and Michael and Greg were they were getting it at this point in time. As far as like documenting stuff. The footage of the deer that I happened to encounter there is good. Yeah, they did a great job. And the bcles footage of Tony is great. Yeah, that's right. They get better and better as as the buck truck goes on, so you know, and Tony took to mention Tony had a very close call with a really nice buck, but he didn't he didn't get a shot on this trip. But he's a heck of a hunter and I'm glad to know him and call him a friend. But yes, go subscribe to the meter YouTube channel and you can see all the buck trucks as they come out. Also subscribe to this podcast while you're here, hey, yeah, and make sure that you're getting some of these. Another thing, we mentioned that there were several guys on this trip, right, not all of them were cameraman. There were some guys filming that we're doing Element stuff and the one hth hunter Dickens, who has been on the channel quite a bit over the last few years killing some stuff, and we talked about killing in twenty twenty one with the liver straight up and down, straight left and right shot. He shot a really big South Dakota bucks on public land and it is on our YouTube channel, the Element YouTube channel. See your probably books. Don't you think I would say? I mean, he's he's at least one eighty, you know, so, I mean the other book, Yeah he might, he might, man, for sure, he's a great great buck. Yeah, I mean. And the footage is Perimo speaking of camera guys getting good. Eric nailed it and there this buck comes out and he has these cattail fluffies all over his back and it's in the suns like shining through them. It is so cool, cool, it's awesome. It is so cool. It's a cool place to go really hard. But you know, there's a lot of deer across the country. 00:49:37 Speaker 3: One of the things we do is buck truck is And this is how we've always been, man. We just want to inspire people to get out and hunt, try hard, and you'll learn a lot and have a lot of fun. 00:49:46 Speaker 2: So don't feel like you got to travel all around the country. You go hunt deer, you know, there's probably something close to the house or closer to the house or whatever. You can go explore and find some pretty wild country. There's about in your wild everywhere you go if you if you look for it. So yep, go and check that stuff out. More buck truck coming. 00:50:02 Speaker 3: They usually always come out on Tuesday at high noon if you're in the Central time zone and you can do the math the other direction if you happen to be outside of that, and we'd really appreciate it if y'all watch, of course, and then comments are always helpful too. We like to see you know that you enjoy stuff. We like feedback commentary as long as you keep it cleaning nice, you know, which we that's one of. 00:50:29 Speaker 2: The reasons that we say. That's because we put ourselves out there a lot. You know, it's hard for Tyler. 00:50:35 Speaker 3: To show that you just you know, hit a deer bad, but not that like you wanted to hide. It's not going to me when I say hard. But you know it's not something that you enjoy, right, It's not. 00:50:45 Speaker 2: People know, people have been hiding that stuff for a long time. Yeah, absolutely, you know what I mean. And so it's it's not it's a it's a new cultural phenomenon that people would show like that they don't kill deer, you know, and they made a bad shot. Ye. So but anyways, remember that your element live in it.