00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Tyler, and I'm Casey and not Brodhead. You know, I'm David and you're listening to v Element podcast. What's happening Almo Woods people? Today? We're sitting here, as you could probably tell in the intro, with a full fledged crew of people. We've got Mr Brodhead here, Mr Broadhead, you have another alias you go by? Yeah, yeah, I guess I'm just the cameraman, Eric, just the caraman, Eric Caraman. Your shirt looks pretty cool man? You like that? Yeah, yeah, pretty slick shirt. Thought at first light dot com. Oh shame, dude, do you work for them? I don't know, No, you don't. Um see, I thought it was go further, stay longer, but let's go farther, stay longer. Further and farther are the same thing. Yes, so I was thinking of southern thing to further. You are a real Southerner, will say further. Well, they yeah, that ain't me. You in a real Southerner? I know. Do you get them real country dudes that' say further? We've got We've got um a new guy here that you guys have never heard from. He likes to go by David, but his actual name is Michael, Michael, where are you from? From Columbus, Ohio? Columbus, Ohio so big deer country. Oh yeah, what's the biggest deer you've ever shot? Inch wise? No idea, you don't, you'll measure them. I don't know, probably like one twenty yep. Really he's shot with a gun. I've shot one deer with a muzzle loader a dough when I was probably like twelve. Yeah. Cool, so like last year, about six months ago. I'm gonna keep that joke all year. Michael David, how old are you? Twenty two? T two dude? Growing up? Before? I know? You said full fledgeable ago and I was like, well, we do have a fledgeling here. But when when's your birthday? March five? Colle social Security? Can you tell us that too? Good? Yeah? People have multiple Social Security numbers from Ohio, Illinois all up there. Yeah. It's like vot that's exactly. Yeah, they can put them, they can do two different ballots. Yeah, yeah, it's good. That's how they always are a swing state because everybody votes conservative and Democrat. Republican and Democrats can swing. Michael's never played golf, never, never swing, but it's gonna be ugly state champion baseball player. Right, yes, sir, how about that? So what kind of a high school did you go to? A absolutely humongous one. Really, how about that? Dude, that's a big deal. How many people do you graduate with? I think it was like nine hundred three thousand people in our school, Dan, it's a lot. So that's uh, that means you were just uh sophomore, juniors, and seniors in that school. Freshman m way overpacked. Wow, he was telling me he got a state champion ring? Yeah, where is it not here? That's cool, dude. I wanted one so bad when I was in high school. I just like for years after we had this highlight video um from my senior year and for like a couple of years, like I just almost couldn't bear to watch the whole thing because I was just like we were so we were on the brink man of doing it, but we didn't do it. So may be sad, but I just kinda went through high school and no one I wouldn't get one. So it was fine. Yeah, I'm with you. Wasn't that big of a deal. Yeah, we just wanted to win conference. Yeah, we didn't have conferences. We just wanted to win a game. Uh so, no conference. Huh. I think what Eric means is a district. Probably we had those. Yeah. Yeah, we talked with him about like the way they did stuff. Yeah, it's different. It's different. They have different you all have different rounds to like how many rounds are there in the playoffs and football there's five, I think, and then baseball and basketball is a little different. I think it's a little longer. And we never made it far enough for me to know that exact number. You didn't lead the basketball team to stay. I thought you were a baller, dude, No, I could. I could play now, not so much back then. H You could play now, but not in high school because we just play a lot of pickup games, you know, throughout college and stuff, pickup games outside, like we play a lot got chat com. Are you a baller, Michael David? No, do not put a basketball in my hands. No, you're just a baseball Can you play football? I mean I could throw a football, yeah, catch a football. But what what position were you in baseball? Shortstop? Short? Did you start and win the state championship? Well? I couldn't really hit, but I could play the field pretty well. So I but I got d H. Really Yeah that's cool. Wow, you're an athletic. I guess, yeah, I guess. But yeah, that's cool. He's telling me he was a junk picture too. That was a lot of curveballs. I did not touch the field as a picture. Yeah that's crazy man. So you can throw a knuckleball, oh yeah yeah, well no, no, that's gotta me too, Like I could throw one, but it's no telling where it's gonna go. I just learned how to throw a curveball really early and stuck on that. Yeah. How old were you when you learned the curveball? Like twelve? Is that too early? Okay, that's what I was thinking. To hurt your arm because it's or what oulder is pretty messed up at the moment. So we were talking about this at the Ranger game. There a night of like like, how do you just start throwing a slider? And you know, yeah, just go in the backyard and start twisting the ball. So okay, this is what we were talking about too, And you may be able to answer this. Some guys in the in the MLB, like are kind of a fastball and curveball pitcher. And change up whatever, you know, but like those are their main That's like, that's like their off speed is their curveball. And then some guys don't throw a curveball at all and throw a slidder Why and and is it just because they learned that pitch And it has a lot to do with how your arms angled. So some guys, Jenny just can't get the ball to twist over top and it just goes to the side. Okay, So that's exactly what I was thinking too. I was thinking the same thing. It's technically the same pitch, it's just the ball is on a different plane exactly. They're just spinning the ball as hard as they can. That's that's exactly what I was thinking of the night. But I was we couldn't answer it. We were like, I don't know, I don't know what that is. But because they had a guy come in that was kind of side army through a slider, and I was like, oh, it makes sense, you know, um dude, I love those, like intense slide arm pictures. I hate trying to hit off one. But like the Rangers used to have a guy can't remember his name, but like he was throwing the ball below his knee. You know. That's so it's a side arm, So I call that a yeah, that's yeah, that was co Yeah and no they're not. Yeah, but those guys um like don't wear out as fast to right and that a thing, like it's a more natural movement or something like that. So I always heard the submarine guys wore out fast. Yeah. I actually had a friend who was on my high school team went to play college ball and pitched to overhand his whole life, but like screwed up his shoulder. But then he was able to throw submarine in college and switch to that. So it makes sense though, Like like I said, I heard that, but I mean that's maybe like somebody just telling you not to be a goofball and throw it that way, you know. But like that's the case of softball. Like they can pitch like every game and softball because they're the motion is less taxing on their body or whatever, which is weird because dragging that back legs seems like it would hurt me real bad. I'm talking about Yeah, like I don't gonna have flexible hips. Yeah, yeah like that, Yeah, that the deck Prescott's thing looks like the finish of a softball pitch. Yeah, well it it's him paid for sure, Manolo. I mean just telling me about Minolo. Minolo teaches golf and uh oh yeah, he talks about the hips a lot too. His uh his thing is pep to the pin. That's how you get a good swing, just turn just swinging pep to pin. I thought that was a sandwich from Jimmy John. Probably that's funny. Well, Michael is going to be hunting with us a lot this fall. Michael is going to help us out on camera and do a lot of the other work around here, uh, making sure the element flies man. So um, it's good news because Michael actually seems to be pretty smart. That just want I learned this week so he can do it, I think. Right. Oh yeah, alright, good glad that was your first impression of me. Yeah, well, with my first impression, the first impression was like, man, this guys skinny. After that, uh no, it was funny, dude, like because you remember, uh, they all came down for film school this spring early, right, and uh, Brian went and picked up these two guys at the airport I think, right, and it was just like a funny thing where we like picked him up at the intersection of the highway down there or whatever, and it's like there are these jokers. Get it was cool stuff, man, Yeah, it's always cool to just start Like I don't know, you and I were talking about this stuff the other day, but like, um, I grew up kind of hunting by myself some a lot actually, and you did too, like just kind of doing the not like a loan wolf thing, but like kind of that way, right, like you just do your own thing and hunt or whatever. But like there's a lot of fun. Gets easy comments, there's uh no, man, so you get the comments. Um comment for comments. That's right, dude, there's a lot of fun like it. It's had a lot of fun to my hunting life by getting to hang out with dudes and and do stuff. And we already kind of started doing that stuff together. So what what are you laughing at now? Mr? Nosblow? Hanging out with dudes? That's your favorite? Uh? Because remember I love it when I would say trying to get away from dudes on public Land in that video, dudes always chasing you like hanging with dudes. So I just one and the same we are. He's and carrots, he's and carrots. Geez the buck truck getting it done. That's it, dude, It give me that, give me that. Yes, so we had they didn't know it, but it was a competition for sure last night's night. Yeah. Absolutely, it was full full, flown, blown competition, full fledged and blown brought it. That's it. That's from now and that's what I do. Uh should we should we enlighten people who just keep that? Okay, So Eric, we're doing that video fell watching it fell fall on social on instat We did a real um where it was, you know, to help first out with that sale they just got done with. I'm sure nobody has seen that they were doing a sale this week. But anyway, so we had this like video where we did this deal and Casey ends up being farmer friend from water Boy or whatever. At the end of it, well, Eric's part is supposed to be talking about a deer at standing Broadside and he said, that's that deer staying in Broadhead jumped around the house. Dude, was so good. It's funny because you can tell that Eric was like, you weren't nervous about the lines, but you were like yeah, yeah, and uh and he was working so hard like he was. I could tell watching it. He was like making sure you're saying things right, and it just broadhead just came out smooth man like and like I could see on his face where his head just all of a sudden, he just like closed his eyes and squinted him like shook his head real fast. Was like, oh, I did not do that, because Eric has been around long enough to learn that. Like, you don't just get to say something and make a mistake and it just go around here. It's there for forever. Uh broadhead, broadhead man, anytime you'll mess up something, just say broadhead quick. That's that's gonna be my new nickname. I think broadhead. I like it better than pencil neck, That's all right for sure. Uh so I was there was pencil neck. I'm just saying a broadhead is better than a pencil neck, you know. So, Um, yesterday we decided to sweat m hmm. It was a good idea, it was. It went with lost weight yesterday. If it didn't actually end up uh doing too bad. I wouldn't like super hot the whole time. I was just in a constant state of my shirt is soaked. Yeah, so I wasn't like dripping. Yeah, I don't feel dude. It ain't nothing compared to what I can normally drip if I want to. So here's the the extent of things, guys, Um Tyler and he see can run a camera still, but we are rusty. Yeah, it ain't like riding a bike. It ain't like riding a bike. Well it is kind of right about, like you can ride a bike, but if you want to Papa wheelie, it takes a little something extra, you know what I mean. And that's kind of where we're at. So, Um, Michael, who I might call David from time to time because it started out as a joke and now it's hard to actually call him Michael because because Brian, Brian was calling him David at the beginning, and no one even knows where that came from. I don't think anybody knew who's talking about. A point, like when he kept saying David, just be like, yeah, he was blending and he was bleeding. Greg and Michael, we didn't have a clue. Oh yeah, David, Greg, you know, David Michael. Greg is what we ended before Michael got here. We were saying David Michael Greg, just it didn't matter if it was you or Greg we're talking about. We just said David, Michael, Greg and Brian knew we were talking about somebody. You know. We uh decided to pair off with the O g S versus the New geez Um. This is just like Oklahoma we called we called our team the Midwest East, did you, Yeah, Midwest Easter. You can call them the Centrals, West East, call the Centrals. You're from central, right, central east, western Central. You're from central am I right, I guess you're from southern central Ohio. Yeah, so Columbus is central west. Thing, if you're from the midwestern state, you say you're from the central part of the state. Here's the thing, when you look at Texas versus Ohio, pretty much in the center of Ohio can be like the whole site of Ohio would fit in Central Texas. Where is Central Texas? I mean to me, it's Austin and west a little bit central Texas. I think Central Texas starts in Waco and go south. Well just saying like it goes south of Austin and a little bit country, but also like some more that like Stephen Savannah Plain type stuff. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, up, that's Central Texas. So yeah, probably the whole state of Ohio would fit in Central Texas. I want to believe it something like that. Um. But anyway, so the middle is hard not to live in central, Like, as long as you're not living real close to the edge and a little state, you can just call it center and pretty much you're from central. Like. We did take two hours to get to the east side of Texas from here, but we can't call ourselves central m. We also can't call ourselves East Texas, so we have to be Northeast Texas. Yeah, in northeast Texas. How many states do you have to put the double the descriptor? People do it? Man Lincoln head over here, broadhead Lincoln were just Lincoln. I don't think we had the northwest and northeast. We just say he's a central, it's a central. W gotta get central in there. It's the right central. Everybody. I'm from northern Central Illinois, I'm from eastern cent Illinois. I'm kind of from south south Central count Illinois. Yeah, exactly, So the midwestern, midwest east would you call yourselves about midwest east west? Uh versus the O G S uh went out and did some hog hunt yesterday and uh we almost the O G s almost didn't hunt, which we still would have tied if that would have happened. So in the future we can take it easy. Yeah. So we had another like birthing, uh false alarm for about an hour yesterday, so a lot before I didn't know. I didn't know if my wife was about thing to go to hospital or not. Didn't ended up not needing to go to the hospital. So where we go hog hunt sometimes doesn't have cell phone service. Um, I guess I could just say cell service. I was not anything, but I was thinking it for sure. Now I also like to call him cell phone, UM, sell your mobile phone cameras. So yeah, that's right. Uh. Eric and I went down this place a couple of weeks ago and left our stuff in the tree. We're hunting out of saddles, and we had those uh cruiser platforms up there and sticks and stuff, and we decided to not take them down because hey, the hogs will be back here. We'll shoot them again. Next time you think a cruise, I think of saddle is uh like an easy thing. And then you leave in the tree and you're like, man, I just don't get any better, you know what I mean. It's like when you get to even just even though saddle is easy to hang, when you get to leave one that's just a beautiful platform. Yeah, and it sticks there and you just walk up there and just clip in your end and you're there. That's nice. That love leaving stuff from the tree. Never get to man. So that's that's one thing I always do, is like when I'm like, if I see the day wrapping up and I'm like, man, no deer around, I'm gonna look at my phone real quick and see what the weather is. And then if I think I should stay here tomorrow because the wind's going to begin, we do that in color out of last year on the day you killed, do we leave our stuff? I feel like we did. I feel like we did too. I'm pretty sure we did. Yeah. Yeah, we were there the night before, uh, hunting that buck across the river, right, yeah, and then left it and then yea. Honestly, Um, the platform isn't that big of a thing to hang, but three or four sticks is kind of a pain and noisy. I don't really that morning to uh, you know, there's a way to hang them and be very quiet, and we kind of always balance speed and stealth when we're doing this stuff. But like you're gonna make a little noise when you hang your sticks unless you just take so much tedious time and it's not really worth it. So like even just having a second set of sticks in the truck is a nice thing for that because you can take your platform down and then you know, go down your sticks, leave them in the tree, and then if you're gonna hunt somewhere else tomorrow or something, you can either go on the ground or go hang a different set, but then come back the next evening and have your sticks hung and just you know, go up the tree platform and then you're done. It's pretty nice, nice system. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't matter how slow you are, especially if you're talking about a morning hunt in the dark, like hanging this those sticks, man, like you're gonna have you're like, even if it's cold, especially, you're gonna have clothes on. They're gonna catch the bark and all this stuff. Always quiet in the morning. I know that we're going to talk about hog hunting, but we can get twisted off on this mobile hunting strategy stuff pretty quick. Like in general on a hunting trip. Um almost am a hunt on the ground in the morning, hunting sat on the afternoon kind of guy, unless my stuff is pretty hung like that. So I did a lot of that last year and didn't like set out to do it, but it just happened a whole lot and it works pretty good because you know, you go in depending on what time of year it is, you know, two pm, it's usually fairly like there's some breeze and wind noise to hang your sticks and set up, and you're fine. But you go in at four thirty am or five whatever it is, like it's usually really still. There might be deer within a hundred yards of you, and you're banging around with a lot and just trying to get stuff up in a tree and Tyler is already sleeping. Just reminded me how tired I am right now, Like I just uh oh, just wait, we're about that. You're getting up way earlier. You reminded me how many times I actually did hang in the mornings this year, which is a lot. On Arkansas, you'll hung every morning Arkansas. Colorado we hung a couple of times. Uh we hung in Colorado. The first trip we hung in Kansas almost every day in the morning. I was hanging a different set almost every day in Kansas as well, which is like an eleven day trip. Uh, you and me didn't have to hang in Oklahoma that much. South Dakota, I hung in the mornings, uh a lot of the mornings because you know, you and Hunter kind of would like switch off in the morning. Had slow fee. I mean COVID the counter had fee as COVID infects you and yeah, not very efficient. So we just kind of sat in the truck and drained honey coffee and watched deer. And then when he finally decided to go hunt in the morning, I have old t just camera guy, so it has to go with him. Yeah, and you'll kill the deer. How about that? How I was tired and I am tired of thinking about it. You know. Um That's why are buddies like Zack and m teach po boys too ground hunt, I think because they can like get out of the truck in the daylight. Yeah, get up, get up, kind of late, get some coffee. Zach's gonna you know, bug his eyes out and say let's hunt, and then crazy Yeah, and then they're gonna do their things. So yeah, and then uh, we just go in real early and spend an hour looking up at the tree. Finally, I want to hang in and not see anything, so you know, let's see. Um, how many do you were killed from the Element crew last year? I had gumm it? Uh when I killed? How mean you killed three? I can kill three bucks? Three? I killed four bucks. Hunter killed a couple of hundred, I think, but a different hunter found two bucks. Right, I believe South Dakotas in South Dakota, Texas, those are all in October. So Chris killed the buck a long couple of months. Yeah, that's Right's eleven? I think, Um, no, that's ten. Okay, it's ten. And then, uh, did anybody else and we know anybody else that killed? I guess it's yeah killed, yeah, yeah, but it wasn't um so of those like you killed morning once evening three times? Uh? Well, South Dakota, Kansas buck was morning. Technically it was before noons, right, that's my Kansas was to But yeah, it was a spot in stars. Different as far as hangs go, I killed two. What dear did I shoot? Karadi? You shot in the afternoon? No morning? That was morning? Yeah, dany look at you morning, and I'll tell you I hung a bunch in the mornings this year, dude, I hung a lot of sets this year. Uh yeah, Colorado was morning, South Dakota was morning, and Nebraska was evening. I feel better going in in evenings. I like them better. But um uh, there's a couple of things that you enlighten enlightened me to, like the fact that in hotter weather those mornings are cooler. So I don't know, I'm hoping that it's not just like a coincidence. I'm getting better at this thing, right, That's kind of the goal for all of us. Right, we're listening to a podcast right now. We're listening probably to maybe here a story, but also to get better at hunting. I think people listen to laugh at our accents. Maybe that's probably well. I feel like, uh, you telling me that and me going in and uh hunting way back and some thick stuff in South Dakota and Colorado, um has helped me. You know, you rethink some stuff going along like a whole pod guest on, like that South Dakota type thing that you went in and picked a spot in the dark in the morning, using on X and like habitat features and what the buck is? Twenty three yards? Right? Yeah, I shot him. I shot him top pen. Yeah, I mean she's a slobo, so I mean I felt confident that he was right there at twenty yeah somewhere I think was about right. And just that's just so cool. That's what I guessed him for. I guess and spoke him pretty good. Yeah. Man, when they just go twenty yards and then like start they stop and start doing some weird stuff, that is a good feeling. Didn't that one fall over and then get back up and you'll freaked out? Yeah? I was like, I was like, you know this. Of course Eric was brand new, first kill, right, but he was freaking out because he knew he wasn't in focus on this deer or whatever, so he was struggling. But I was like, I was watching this buck. He goes down there or whatever falls over, and I'm like, yeah, like do this real stupid thing, you know whatever that I looked dumb celebrating on TV or whatever. And then uh, and then I look over at the air quarter. When I look back, or I heard something or something, I look back, and that buck was standing up and like going again. I was like, what is going to zombie over here? He was going, he was going, and uh yeah, he just he ran a couple of steps and then crashed again. I was like, oh, thank you. I would freak you out for sure, dude. You know most people shoot animals and then they don't see them fall most of the time, right, And I bet you if we could all see the animal as it's expiring, like, we would all freak out. Not because it's like morbid, but just because, like I bet that happens a lot. Things like that happened. You know, we aren't there to see it very much, you know, home, and you're probably just more in shocked than anything. Oh dude, dude, yeah, I'll just wait. That's gonna be good. You got a couple more months. Maybe it was in a last This was an evening hunt. Last night we went in. Uh we've been the team o gez. So, uh, Eric, what was your setup in the same tree? Me and you hung in and you knew it wasn't very good. That's where we wanted. I knew that Tymer and I were gonna kill some pigs, but I thought that you were too. Uh So there's there's just like this thing where like, um, you are uh newer at hunting than we are. Not that you're a tiny little babe, but it would be great for you to be able to be able to uh like have a very controlled situation to shoot in, right, you're right, yeah, and you agreed with this, right yeah, So like hunting from a saddle, shooting pigs under a feed, here is very much that, you know, known distances, nothing crazy going on. You can draw your bow very easily, not worried about getting caught too much. And that's what we're trying to get you to be able to do. And when you know, the pigs came in about thirty minutes after, so, um, you know it's also cool with that though, What's that it gives an intern a really good opportunity to film a really big buck talk about that man hawd that all. Not. It wasn't long after we got set up. I mean like right when we got set up, there's three bucks came. I think they crossed our path walking in because when I saw one of them, he was pretty much high alert from the get go and he was kind of looking around. He knew we were in there, and he didn't like run off and blow, but like he did the whole I'm going to turn around and get out of here. And the other two followed him, and so if they run or just walked fast, that one he kind of just walked fast, and the other two kind of just walked slowly. I call that a raw run off and blow. I like that got robbed out there. But after that we had, you know, of course the two raccoons came in and started feasting and it. And then well not long after that, I think you may have spotted him first, right, Mike. I just looked up in salt handlers coming through the trees and then I saw the hands was like, oh, that's that's the big one. Yeah, and they can go into like instinctive hunter mode and then to he grabs clips on start using my range finder but still trying to get better at judging deer size. But I think he was like, I think that's about right. Yeah, they have velvet right now, so it's a little tough. They you know, they have a little more mass than what he's gonna probably be pretty thin when he should just felt it. I think, yeah, uh, biggest book you've ever been close to you? Yeah, well, inside twenty definitely, because his bucking you know, last November was a lot bigger. Yeah. Sure, and that dear is probably about where my Kansas buck was last year. But you can't really see him when I shot him too much. It's a different situation from the spot and stalk. But like, how long was that deer there? Good? Twenty minutes? I mean just sitting there feeding under the feeder? Did you ever get like the heart thing going? Like, were you ever heartbeating it? You did the whole I did. I could tell, dude, like, you've been here since Monday and last night was Thursday, and I haven't seen your eyes that wide when y'all knocked on the window or Star truck was parked by theirs or whatever. And when he when I opened the window, I looked over and Michael's eyes were round as they get. It was awesome. Yeah, dude, it was hilarious that I don't know, you can just like I feel that like, oh, yeah, you know whatever. Uh so that was your first time imagery filming stuff, right, yea, sir? Yeah, what do you think? Well, other than the camera arm not working, it was pretty good. I'm actually glad that like we didn't just give you everything that worked right right now, you know it's going to be easy that and then you can also see like, oh it's important that, like I'll make sure these little things are done and it works and all that kind of stuff. Also you like you learn, um that like what what is what is going on inside of that camera arm? Like, because that's something that we've had to put together. And if we just hand you a camera arm that's ready to rock, then one day you're gonna end up like, what is going on? This head is not working or whatever? You mean, I didn't realize what was going on. So it's good. It's good to get that out on pigs especially, you know, because you know, nobody wants to watch a pig video. So for what a million people, right, we easily at things. So adversely, sometimes Eric, does it feel good to call someone an intern? Yeah? It's hit of production, Eric Gentry, it's all broadhead, it's funny. So, um you liked the filming? Oh yeah good? Oh yeah that got me uh going last night? Is that the biggest year you're gonna get on film this year? I hope not? Yeah? Uh yeah, So y'all sadly had no swine encounters. It's not, but you didn't hear one of them swine's wine, right, Yeah, I'm not sure what it was, but definitely heard something. Michael hasn't really heard a lot of pigs, but he thought it was one and I thought it was one. But to me, it sounded like one getting shot. Have you ever heard of jackal open the rut? Like what man could have? Pretty similar to that? Pretty similar. Don't say, We'll have to bring this story up later because this needs to hang on for a w We were about a half mile from these guys, which um and some woods is pretty far down there. It's not super far because it's all pretty flat, you know, river bottom stuff, so there's a possibility that, like we could hear each other. And we heard some people yelling at one point in time, so we thought that Eric shot a pig and they watched it fall or something crazy happened, and that he was just freaking out and the stand. It's weird to hear stuff down there too, because you're not near a lot of people in that area, so it's strange. Yeah, there's somebody down there on their sideba side of bed. Yeah, something's going on. But you and I decided to go do the old spot in Stalk because it was a place that we hadn't really been to. U A buddy of ours has a fever that he runs down there and said that the the hogs have been coming to most every evening. So we're thinking, Okay, this sounds like it could be a thing, but we don't really know what direction they're coming from too much, or what the wind is gonna be doing there, and what trees are good to the tree to hang in. So one of our tactics on these pigs a lot of times is to kind of sit back a couple hundred yards watch him come in and then stalking and close. And that was kind of our approach, um. But you got down there and we're like ready to shoot it stuff right away. Yeah, well, Mr kyoud hunter here. He told me that there was a cout on my three o'clock. At one point we stopped like p or something, and uh, I was like I heard something in CASEY heard it. So we look over and I'm still I think I was still peeing or something, and You're like, there's coyle on You're right, And I was like come in. So I'm like, you know, getting trying to get ready, but I can't see this thing. I'm trying to get my arrows off and everything off, the arrow off, the quiver and all that, and long story short, Uh, you ended up telling me it was at my three o'clock that helped me out a lot. I saw him finally, and uh, I was like, how far is this thing? And he's like thirty yards? Like come minute, so anyway, Uh he kind of I get reposition and squeak him or draw back and then squeak him. And I judged him for forty. Um. It was a pub so not tiny, but it was like, I mean, it's getting closer to full size now. Um. And it stopped at thirty seven and I let it go at forty and I'm not sure that thing didn't dug my arrow because I felt real good about it. And the arrow went really just dead nuts left and right, but sailed over his head. They are good at jumping strings, real good, dude. Uh that one pig or Kyle that you shot in twenty sixteen. Uh, they're Babylon. That sucker ducked right into your into it. I probably would have miss him if you'ld have stood there. There was like perfect. Yeah. So then yeah, so I did that and the arrow I heard it hit what I thought was a tree end up hitting a long rap beside the tree. Um, and so I was like, man, let's just not going there, like it's the grass is so crunchy right now. I mean, it's just crypt crypp crysps. Uh. Anyway, we decided to get the arrow on the way out so that we could just continue stalking down and not make a big ruggets down in there. I know what you're thinking. Uh So anyway, uh so we decided to keep walking down this like shredded lane or whatever and basically just work our way all the way down real slowly. Some deer come out. We're trying to spook them. They won't go away, so we just start walking at them because they're down the lane, and they finally kind of bounce off, and I figured they were going to this feeder that was going down there. We had a camera going down there, and um, I figured they were going that feeder, So I figured that's where it was. We hadn't neither one of us at seeing the feeder yet. And uh, finally I locate the feeder and those deer and we get a little bit closer and I see those deer just hanging there still, and then I see something like running and I thought dear at first, but then I was like, those are pigs for sure, and I've said pigs, and then the deer start running in case He's like he shows aren't pig or deer, so I was like, oh, I don't know. And then finally they and then they come into another gap and I was like, no, they're pigs for sure, and I pointed out them and whatever, he goes how they are. So we like kind of started making a quick brisk blitz for this uh pb feeder yeah qbb um, and we get like the pigs are about to come out. We're trying not to get seen obviously in this lane, so we kind of get on the edge so we're not just walking down the middle lane and next to the grunt grass or whatever, and uh, I can see kind of the feet are pretty good. At this point, I'm trying to range stuff, but I can't range the feeder because all I can see is the legs of it basically, So I'm like ranging trees that I think are in they're like real close to where they're gonna come through, and then I'm like, oh man, it's eighty like all right, And at this point they're running, so we think they are spooked potentially because coming at the feeder. So I'm kind of like confused on I'm thinking, for sure, there's a chance they're not spooked, but there is a chance there they are. The wind was real Willie don in there like, and I thought when we saw him running and I was like, oh, they smelled us. Yeah, that's what I thought, too. Well, it turns out they didn't. And they come across at eight and I was like, and they go straight to the feeder and so, which is kind of on the edge of the lane, pretty close, and so I was like, okay, I'm just gonna let them be calm and uh, not shooting any of them and let them come by. And so I'm kind of like getting my uh, getting my ranges whatever, all the other ranges I can get. I think. Actually I was still ranging trees and stuff because they had all gone through and I was getting ready to get up and walk case he goes there's one there's one more coming from the ride. And I was glad he said that because I would have been walking up in them looking like sasquatch the middle of this lane. Uh, and instead a big one comes out and actually ranged it in and it was it was eight yards and so um anyway, we long story short, it worked our way up on the pigs um too slowly to thirty seven. We're getting cases, getting cool footage of these things, like just screaming and fighting at each other and stuff. And uh we get into thirty seven and I was like, man, I can get closer. But I've been shooting out to ninety five. Actually shot out to a hundred six I think the other day, and I'm like, I've been shooting pretty good in a lot, and so I was like, I feel like, you know, we're here. Footage is good. Let's just shoot at thirty seven. I can do it right. Well. The one I wanting to shoot is like the dominant pig. It's the tallest, biggest one in there, and so it's sitting right underneath the feeder and it's just doing this constant like spend game of warding off all these like Grizzly on a kill warden. Uh wolves, Yeah, yeah, I mean just like constant. So actually, probably a bad decision to shoot that pig, but I want to shoot the big one, so of course, so what do you think. I think I should have shot a more calm pig on the outskirts of the feeder, and probably that was still a pretty solid pig. We talked about potentially shooting the gray one. Um, and then the cameraman hunter interaction is pretty important with pigs because they're all shooters first of all. So it's not like, you know, whenever say a bachelor group of bucks comes in, you kind of know which, like, it ain't too hard to put the order of importance down on all four of them, you know, like the bucks falling a dough, like, probably not gonna shoot the dough, yeah, you know. So like the communication there's is pretty like tough thing to do. You tell me the biggest one or the great one, and I'm like, wow, which one is the biggest one? I can't because I can't see as much as you can. And finally I said the tallest one. I can kind of feel after that, but it took a little bit. But it's just in general, pigs are kind of difficult to hunt and film with a because they just there, black things, just hard to see, and a lot of them look the same, so we we did figure out that we were going to get a shot at the big one it looked like, but I kind of had to wait because it was just doing so much like twirling and finding off and all this and that, and they were just super amped up in there, and like I said, I should have shot a different pig, but instead I kind of rushed my shot a little bit because that pig was moving so much, and You're like, you want to shoot the pig before it moves from the spot that's, you know, where you want to shoot it. And so this thing is like quartering away, um, and I'm like, I I'm gonna shoot it there before it moves pretty much. So I shoot and basically I go right of where I wanted to hit a touch and this pig is looking to the right quarter away, and but it goes through the pig and they take off running through Oh yeah, well a broadside. Were using, uh, just a big old monster three blade, but I didn't go through a ton And this is something I want to talk about here in a little bit. We'll revisit it at the end of the story. But basically go through the pig runs off with a bunch of them. Well, like a group like four takes off to the right and actually gets out in the lane with us and starts going down the lane. I'm like, i can shoot a long ways at these things, so I'm just waiting on to stop. And they're not going fast. Outn't know what's going on, you know, but they're they're going. They were going, and uh so I knock another arrow and I'm like trying to see if they'll stop, but also keep an eye on the big group pigs. So in between all this, we kind of lose exactly where that big group went, and it also kind of split out different directions because quite a few of them went to the direction the pig you shot. And then this is a group of like twelve or fifteen. There's a lot of pigs right, so there's kind of almost spiderwab out from that. Well, I don't get a shot the ones that go down the lane, and then everything kind of calms down and you can just see it on film. I do this a lot, but I'd just like do the tyler I hate myself face, you know, and uh I didn't even catch the real good one. Yeah, I was mad because I hit right, and I hit I get Basically I knew exactly where that thing came out going now that I look back at it, I knew exactly where it came out, but um it just didn't you know. It just surprised me the way that it happened. And I'll talk about why that is in a second, But basically, the pigs, the pigs gone. Everything settles down in me in case you go over there to the feeder. We find the arrow. It's got bubbles on it, and we're like, m it looks pretty good. And you know, we we watched the footage back, which is a cliche thing to talk about when you're you know, doing outdoor productions, but um so we're trying not to talk about it. We did actually look at the footage and it looked like it hit in a pretty good spot, but it definitely like zipped through quick, and um so we we end up from there like this is the worst type of country to track stuff in, man. I mean, there's like all kinds of different size of grass, but it's also just like all the same to the whole, Like everything down in that river bottom is very similar. So there's no landmarks there's no reason for him to go here as opposed to twelve yards over there or twelve yards on the other trails everywhere headed to that feeder. None of them are like the major trails. It's like there's a bunch of trails, but there's no trail at the same time. It's almost like when we go hunting this stuff on public around here, like d m A is what you have to track off of. It's like this we call it call it call these areas like deer movement areas where you can just be like, I'm pretty sure this is where they would go because that just looks like the path of least resistance or whatever. And that's what we were tracking off of. And we're just kind of cutting back and forth real slow because it wasn't gonna bleed. It was a touch high higher than it should have been. Uh, but it really wasn't bad if I'd have had a different angle. But um, anyway, we were hoping that it would bleed, but we knew it would be a minute before it did, probably, so we kind of like work our way down. We're just cutting back and forth across all the trails that they could have taken and I didn't find any blood, and I went back to the spot where I shot from and tried to see where they went in and I could see where. I was like, well, I pretty much can't see anything else other than right there, so I knew that was in that close in that area, and we kind of worked back out there. We're doing it again. It's get a little bit darker, and uh, I'm just kind of like, man, we have done this a couple of times this summer, and I'm just paid out. It's terrible, it's and it doesn't hardly ever pay off. They are tough, tough animals, dude. This is one thing I was thinking about this morning. I was telling them, Uh, a pig. These pigs were like real thin coated, but they still A pig almost always has a layer crusted cake mud on them. And you know what happens when blood hits that mud soaks in immediately. They don't they don't have slick coats like like deer. And when you when you start tracking a deer, you see these drops because it's dropping off the slick coat. These pigs they're eating like the mud is eating all the blood and like you saw it with the board that I shot right, Like, I mean this, these things are you know, not ble, not dripping blood hard somewhat have a sponge on the outside of their bodies that the blood has to make it through before it can drop off. Whereas like a deer almost has like that uh water shedding top coats. So you can walk up to a deer it had like its exit hole have blood dripping out of it, and none of the hair have any blood on it because it just sheds right off of it. It's like duck back or whatever. Yeah, it's and so they were not finding blood and I'm just like, I'm getting put out because we need too. I was like, we we've made We've made like some cool footage of pigs this summer that I think people would really joy and I have had fun doing it, but like in the end, I still want to find the pig, you know, and like we we we tend to take backstraps and shoulders and stuff like that, depending on what the pig shape is and looks like and everything, because that's can't meet the backstraps awesome, I mean on the grill and so that chicken. Yeah, And so we do that a lot, not always, but we do it a lot, and so I like finding the pig right, and there's just some closure to that. But and then like some validity for yourself just to have confidence that you can go kill things, you know, Like when it comes to deer, it's a learning aspect of this stuff too, where it's like, uh, you know, a hog and a deer have fairly similar vitals. They they're both ungulus, right, so they're a lot like and so like you want to know about these shot angles and hits and stuff because you're only gonna kill I mean, the average person is going to kill fifteen deer in their lifetime, you know. And it depends on does and all that kind of stuff. But I just say bucks, right, Like, how many people gonna kill more than fifteen bucks in their lifetime? It's it's you gotta be pretty hardcore about it. I think there's probably a lot of listening to this podcast, but there's not there's a lot more people out there that don't really care about average guys go you know. Um, but like there's just so many opportunities you have to learn about shot placement on a live animal and peace or a huge opportunity to that, and you can't learn the full extent of the knowledge unless you find the animal. Yeah, and I'm telling you, like I'm thinking about this and watching that video last night, like I've learned quite a bit from this experience. But anyway, we get to basically where we get off this flat like a hundred hello, over a hundred yards maybe or about a hundred yards that we you see, like you see in these river bottoms, there's just like little low spots or whatever. So we see this dip and it turns into pal meadows a little more. Yeah, and there's pal meadows and there's honeysuckle and greenbrier. It's a little thicker right there, right, it's not so much like clear bottom, you know, big trees or whatever. And uh, I'm standing there in Casey's like fifty yards from me, and we're just kind of like looking for blood. I mean, I'm at the point where I'm like this thing, I'm not gonna look much like the like the perimeter of what would be efficient like just grid search. Yeah, once you get to that thicket, it's like, you know, you're not a grid searching Yeah. So, uh, we're standing there, he's like fifty yards from me and I'm standing by this big palmetto bush. Uh, that's like five yards in front of me, and I hear something and I look up and there's a pig walking right to left at like fifteen yards going right, about to go behind the palmetto bush, like just completely calm, and I'm like freaking out, you know. I got turned around and I see Casey and I we like catch eyes and I'm like start like waving my arms like hey, get the camera up, like film this, you know, like trying to give him like do something with that camera now and uh. And so then I end up. I can tell that he's getting the camera ready or whatever something like cool, We're good. Turn around. I start to knock an arrow and I hear Casey coming behind me. I'm like, no, I just feel me, you know. I'm like, because it's here, this dear, this pig is close to me. And so he hears the pig right and realizes that it is close to me. It's not like fifty yards or well. I thought you and I were about to go on to the stalk, but then I heard the pig and I could I did the old triangulation thing in my head, like he was real close to time. Much of my triangle here, it's like it's very acute angle in this calculation, the tangent is very small. So uh, he stops and starts filming me or whatever. So this pig comes through the pal meadow. I try to get my go pro on. I almost mess the thing up by doing that, but I think I got it on. I can't remember if it worked or not. I was having trouble with a GoPro and then I clip on, and right as I clip on, he just like slowly walks out into my my window, which at ten yards, my window is about a foot and a half probably, which is weird. But when the pigs at twenty his whole body's in that window still, you know, so like it's plenty of space. And anyway, he stopped righting that window, and I could see I could see his back about four to six inches of his back, probably like six inches in his ears. And that was it. And so I was like I knew, you know, at twenty yards, I feel good about where his vitals are in that grass. And then I also feel good about like being high enough above the grass, and I'm kind of shooting down into just a couple of pieces right at the end, you know, and not get in deflection, dude, I shoot squeal and we both listen and like I turned around to Casey and I'm like, I think he is dead right there, Like I think he piled up, and You're like, yeah, I'm pretty sure he did too. And so we walk over and I probably probably walked like thirty yards and he was right there. That pig was dead in less than ten seconds. And we got to him in I don't know, a minute and a half and he wouldn't even twitching. No, like done done, heart shot, Like that's as dead as things get. I smoked. It was smoked city. I think I said the yeah, uh yeah, heart shot and I was like I was. I was pumped, man. That was that was really cool. And I didn't know at first if it was the same pig that I had hit, you know, I thought it was gonna be just because of the situation, Like why would there be a boar hoog walking slow like in the general area of where we expected to pick up. I have thoughts about why that is. Now, so we we find the pig, we do the kind of like you know, YouTube video interview kind of deal with it and talk about what happened and show the pig a little bit. And we're still sitting there by the pig and we hear something moving and we're like, we look at each other and I'm like, dude, that is a pig for sure, because it's so thick in They're like, we can't see very far. Well, we heard we saw some mooke hows go by. Yeah, and there's some wild cows down this river. Bottom filmed them because it gets kind of weird about cows sometimes, and tell you what, like, you come around the corner on one of them big old mamas, it might be kind of weird. Uh. Then, like this noise was not that I don't like cows right now. Outside of milk. You need a buffalo and deer on the plane. Man, get out of here. Cows. I'm making some dairy farmers mad right now. I actually love cereal and milk. So I guess we do like cows a little bit. But um so, anyway, we hear this noise and we were kind of we know, it's bigger than just like a coon. Probably could be those cows, but they've already passed like a few minutes before, so we're like and they were on a mission. So I was like, I don't think that was those cows. That's that's gotta be a pig. We sit there and uh, like Casey is kind of watching I turned down this trail because I think it's coming down this trail potentially that's like a tunnel that comes right to me. It's like the pig that I shot was on that trail going and he was going and uh and then uh, it's like I get knocked on and I'm like ready to shoot a pig at like ten yards like between the eyes down this trail, you know. And uh. And so Casey is kind of watching my like three o'clock, I guess, because there's another area around this bush that they could come around. And he's like giving some like we're giving a couple of little you know, and like he's giving some squeals and stuff he had been or was or whatever and anyway, so what kind of gets quiet and we sit there for a minute and I'm like, you know what, let's just walk around the edge of this brush and just see and I could like line this out a little bit a little but and I don't remember it all how it all went down, but I do know at one point we get a little bit further back in there and we hear another sound, and I'm like, that's a pig and it's just walking out in front of us, somewhere right here in this in this thick brush, you know, and Casey like gives a were stand there for a second. He gives like a good squeal. He does a good job of it, like it probably is yeah, yeah, and uh he does it like like maybe like two squeals or something like that. And all of a sudden, like at like fifteen yards this we hear movement and we look out and this pig is walking away and we're like both like and it's like it's going away. You know. It's very surprising how close it was. It was. And he had like when he actually when we first heard it, he goes up or something like that. And then I look and I can see it's but going back straight away from us, like fifteen yards, Like dude, it's big. It's a big one. And so it's like walking away. I'm trying to see if I get a shot. I'm like, no, it's gone. It's gone. So we gotta go around, but go around. We start kind of telling this thing that we can't find it or see it anywhere, and uh, we're just kind of like walking through these little openings in the brush and all of a sudden, we both at the same time look over and there's like this like baylight or whatever right there, and we're like creek crossing right there, like that's and so we start walking down. You can see this all on video, like we're gonna release this video, uh hopefully the week of like the seventh or whatever somewhere in there, and um, we can we can see that that's a place that potentially as things gone. So we start walking down this trail to where it opens up by the creek and there's a creek crossing. We get like to this weird barb wire fence that's just a one strand that's broken. That's confusing, and I cross over it because whenever you're stalking pigs, you aren't paying attention to the two yard obstacle. No, you're paying attention to what is twenty thirty yards ahead. Yeah, and it was a good way to walk up. The deals were like you're, uh, your booty hole tightens up right when you see it because you're like, man, I could have been running right into that single strand right there and chased him with shotguns down there. Man, it's full fleash man anyway, So I step over it. As I step over it, I see a pool of blood on the ground. And and at the same time, as soon as I mean, it's all like almost the same moment, I see the pig walking away like kind of limping or whatever. And I at that point I knew it was the first one I shot, and so like I go drawing back Casey you can see it like he gets he sees it all happening too at the same time, and like the camera he's just like like it's going to like shooter mode, and I was like, oh crap, I don't know what he's shooting at. You know, it's like let mesoo the camera and just when he's trying to see, you know, and uh. And then you're still at the barbar fence, and I saw the pool of blood, the same pool blood something about like having to like lean over the barbar. You see that blood and you're like, oh gosh, it's that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, so the pig had dipped down into the creek, and I could see most of it, and so, uh, dude, I was thinking about this morning. I'm not a hundred percent which pen I shot, but I'm pretty sure I shot the thirty. Really, I almost a percent sure I saw I shot the thirty. It was the right one, yeah, And so I I pulled back and Casey finally gets over that barbed wire and straightens up on this pig, and I'm like you ready, and he goes yeah, and I shoot, and I'm pretty sure I was using the thirty. And the pig uh runs down the creek up this hill and you see immediately like this thing is toast, you know what I mean? And uh, basically like dies inside right there, and it's halfway up and just doesn't have what it takes to get the rest of the way up and just kind of like kind of founders out right there and then dives off back right next to the actual water of the creek. So I mean it made for some cool footage of pigs and stuff, dude. It was the light was good. Oh, it was awesome, dude like that, and I was just like, man, this is something I won't forget, man like, And and that was the pig I had hit. So when we got up there to look at the pig where it had been hit, and I actually smoked that pig if especially if i'd been shooting at broadside right like basically in the triangle where like like right below the shoulder blade probably and uh, it was angled pretty hard quarter and it came out like in a weird spot which was like over I think it was over the spine. Yes, I think so too that pig. So it was at a hard quarter away from you. You can look on the footage. I'm on Tyler's right filming, so it's already a fairly decent quarter away for me as a camera guy. You were probably shooting, uh six or eight feet to the left of me, maybe not that much, remember like four or six ft so even more of a quarter. You hit it in the triangle. Its head is down eating corn and it doesn't move at all. So if that pig had lifted its head, am I the same thing exited like at the top of the pig's left ear. So you went in hit single long and then went through like the necroast of the hog and exited at the ear above the skull. Yeah, it's weird like and there was a ton of blood on both sides this pig, like it was are gonna live much longer. There was like blood bubble, like a if you've hunted and have shot animals in the lungs, you know this, but like they'll be like this frothy bubble stuff that comes kind of gross, right, But like that was on the side of the pig, and when you shot it that second time, I thought that that was the result of it was it was already on there yea, And that in the actual exit was ahead of that, like right near the shoulder. Um. But yeah, So like this where we see that and something that I started thinking of as a couple of different things that I have thinking as I'm looking back on this is a we watched that video again and I realized where I should have put it. And so in a darker scenario on pigs, what you lose is the fact that like underneath the very sides of the pig, things get real dark. Right. There's actually like a sizeable amount of brisk getting chest down there, and that's just black on a pig that you almost like don't even see when you're you know, zoned in trying to shoot. So like overall, I think I need to shoot a little bit lower on pigs. I'm the same. I think it pigs high a lot. It's not high like I'm gonna lose them, but high on the body. Yeah, it's like it can be where you aimed and you're still like when it runs off, you're like, oh, that thing is looking kind of higher right there. Another thing that I was telling Michael and Eric this morning is like a pig was designed by God to be in a like feeding position at all times pretty much. Right, So when you look at a pig, a lot of the times, especially like sALS and stuff, they got little front legs, they got shorter front legs with small shoulders and like they literally like I'm doing it for the guys here you can't understand. Probably try to explain it. But like basically the rear and the rumps, it's up kind of higher than the rest of the body because they're angled down to root because that's how they eat, and then they're always eating, right, they do a lot of eating. So car guys would call rake rake, So put your spoiler on the bag can. So they're higher in the rear and they are on the front and it gives them leverage. And they're also designed to you see the thickets they live in, they're designed to tunnel through that stuff. Yeah, so they need be low to do that, whereas a deer has the ability, like hogs cannot raise their head above their shoulders, you know, like they are they are built like a rhino. It's the same build, right, so that where a deer can lift its head like quite a ways above it shoulder right, and and so they're just functioning different ways. Yeah, And I think that that build on a quartering away, like I feel confident in a quartering away shot on a pig because you're missing, like especially on board as you're missing like the gristle and stuff like that and just the big beefy shoulders. But like you still have to consider the fact that that that build where they're aimed down, Like you're going to exit higher on the off side on a quarter away, so you have to shoot low, especially from the ground. Hogs by being an amplified version of like having to understand elevated versus on the ground shots, you know, like for instance, this your follow up shot on that hog that you shot was um elevated because it was down in the creek. I bet that pig was ten foot lower than us, maybe something like that. And you still the arrow went in it like almost parallel, you know, Like the arrow didn't go in high and come out low even though we were high. It's kind of strange, Yeah, it's it is strange, And I don't know. Something to think about, Like if you're a pig hunter, you want to hunt pigs, like if you're gonna shoot that coouring away, I think it's it's like imperative to shoot low and maybe even aim at that like shadowy brisket underneath um. And I started looking at the video of that pig and I was like, man, there is there is a considerable amount of space for chess space there that I'm not even considering when I go to put the pen on the pig. So something to think about there. Another thing I was thinking about this morning is the reason that that boar was there that I shot was because I think that that was because that that uh Sal was in there. I think he smelled or something and got and just stayed there around her. I kind of wondered if he was just bedded over there and wasn't with the first group and just happened to be there. Maybe maybe I was thinking because he was headed in the direction that we ended up jumping that Sal, that's the way he's walking, and I was just thinking he was trailing. Maybe all the sALS that Kim came through just second ago or whatever. We always called that a satellite boar, kind of like a satellite. Yeah, bulls, you know, they kind of do the same thing. They just kind of hang out in the area that sALS are in. They don't really hang out with the group, but they can always kind of smell him and keep tabs on. It makes sense because he was a big boy, but he wasn't like a giant, you know what I mean. He's probably like one fifty. But because it was the summer, the sal you shot, we thought was a board when you shot her, because she was considerably bigger than all the other other ones, came in by itself behind the big group and was just being a bully mad the whole time. And you probably weighed one seventy five or so, you know, a decent sized pig. So it was weird to walk up there and did not be a ble board. I thought the same thing, but I don't know, it was just a cool night, man, I was, I was. I had a good time last night. Yeah, that was fun, I know, And I don't know. It was hot, but like I don't know, the heat is uh only bad when you're thinking about it really, you know, like if you're all up in the pigs, it's uh um not as front of mine, you know. And I got to fling some arrows. Uh. This is something some people are interested in. And And I know you probably don't care to talk about it a whole lot because you just don't get you out about this stuff too much. But tell us about your arrow set up in what you were shooting at those pigs. So shooting a bow tech s R three fifty, which is a fast bow. So Eric said, I was shooting two eighty two at the bow shop. I don't remember what it was. How much did those arrows way? The arrows way? Well, you're total airway? Uh five O four and that's ib O A three forty one, right, I think that's right? Yeah, no, yeah, okay hmm so maybe yeah, and then I'm shooting faster than what you could shoot with most other bows. Yes, so like, uh what that means is with a five four grand arrow. I got some energy, and um so I don't have to be shooting like a superhirvy arrow, but I'm shooting. It's a four fletch vector ZMR, which is like they're kind of lighter offering out of the two that they offer. And the broad head is like the biggest three blade mechanical that I can find pretty much, I mean, especially when you look at just the it being well made. But it's a grim raper. It's called a white tail special and that's what I shot. I shot all four of them last night. I had had a seven. I had the only arrow I didn't shooting my quiver last night. I had a sever on it, and I didn't. I just didn't shoot it, you know, But I was getting ready to, that's for sure. And what's crazy is I walked back out of there with five arrows. Somehow I had every single I found every single arrow, so pretty pretty awesome. I did a little quick calculation here, uh, with a twenty nine ins draw length shooting at ib O with three fifty peak drawweight at seventy, you're probably actually like seventy one or two seventy. I was on the seven. They they've always shot seventy one, but they I don't think they can are able to get it to seveny one for some reason. An individual both thing, I think, Yeah, arrowweight three or four. Now, of course these are all things that can be slightly subjective because of all kinds of factors. But put five oh four or three or four, Okay, overall the arrow speed on this calculators to eighty two. There you go. We got a smart that's fast, dude, that's real fast, dud. That's broadhead fast. Yeah. Uh. And then you're energy is a eight point nine eight, so pretty much eighty nine, which is really good. I think anything over eighty is what I consider good. Uh, your momentum is two point eight oh seven, which is really good. Thing, dude, you're killing stuff. You had uh, two complete pass throughs on pigs, and then a pass through on the third shot, and that arrow was buried to the fletchings on one side and had the tippy toppy poking up and went completely like I went in right like in front of the back hip and came out in front of the front shoulder. So he hit out a lot of stuff that yeah, to when I pulled it out, I had to jerk real hard on it and and went through a lot of internals as well. And so I mean, I don't know, dude, Like I'm not I don't want to say this, and all of a sudden just be the guy who shoots a bunch in the shoulder and doesn't find any of them this year. But like it is gonna be hard for now at least to get me away from shooting like those special I might even take one to Colorado. Yeah, I don't blame you, spooky spooky, So um, now I'm not saying this around your parade at all, but you did shoot the same era set up at a big boar and hit him in the shoulder and we didn't recover him a few months back, so like it's not a fool proof thing. Actually shot a hybrid raper hybrid but really so a little bit better penetration potential probably, But um, like yes, I thought, I don't want to speak for you. I'll just say what I think about it, and you tell me if you agreed that much. Um, there has been a pendulum type shift where people have like gotten so polarized against mechanical broadheads nowadays because like they did get a bad rap and yes, you probably don't need to shoot one if you're shooting low pounded your low speed uh in lower airweights. But like, you put that thing on the front of a good set up and it's going to kill um in most situations. There are some situations that won't. There's also some situations that fixed blade won't. And you can't prepare for everything, man, I'll be honest, Like if i'd have shot a small fixed blade or a smaller fixed blade through that first pig, there's a good chance, especially on like a two blade with small bleaters or something, there's a good chance that that thing just like carries over the top of the through the through the neck and like hits the top of one long or whatever maybe and you just never see that pig ever again. And because with that grim raper you've got three giant blades going off all different directions, you know, you just never know how that two blades is gonna enter and be you know, and as it goes through there. So you know, that's that's something for sure, UM, But I don't know like I shot UM. I shot. The first shot I shot was intentionally a quartering away shot. That's what I wanted to shoot, you know I'm gonna shoot to wait on that. Yeah, I mean, that's that's like what Isaac tells us or says a lot. It's like, you know, if you uh, if you don't like, just take better shots, is what he says. You know what I mean, And so what he means. And this is the thing. And Eric makes a good point here too. Um like, if you're willing two rush a shot and for let me say Russia shot in quotations here, if you're willing to rush a shot and shoot a broadside shot because you either don't think you're gonna get a quartering away or you're not willing to chance letting that thing spook before it gets to a quartering away, then you're saying, I'm I haven't I'm willing to take a chance that I'm going to hit the scalpula, you know what I mean, I'm going to hit a shoulder blade. And so if you're shooting that broadside shot, you're saying, I'm willing to potentially hit the scalpula. And if you are willing to do that, then that's fine. But if you're patient, a lot of times you can end up with a quartering away shot and and have a great angle into all the vitals. So technically, if we're shooting broadside shots, you're willing to to have something like that potentially mess up, right, And so what Eric's point is is like, yes, and people don't want to take the blame for making a bad shot, you know what I mean? Dude. Okay, so we've been posted on TikTok. I hate it, but y'all just love. People on TikTok love to watch broadhead videos and talk about our rage and all this kind of stuff. And it's funny because we've had a couple of them go get a lot of views and uh like one of them has like six in our comments or something like that. Okay, and they'll be seven comments. It's like I'll never shoot a rage they don't open. And then the next one will be like, I don't never shoot a grim reaper. They don't open, and I lost three deer. It's like, how do you know the thing didn't open if you didn't find the deer? Dude, that reason didn't you didn't find the deer because you shot in the guts. You know, Like this, nobody wants to admit that they shot they didn't hit where they wanted to. And you know, I talked about this last night, like it's hard to really tell where you hit, right, dude, this thing's moving. My arrows moving at two to frame or feet per second, like, and it's dark when you're shooting things a lot of time. I guess it's like getting low light when you're shooting a deer and stuff all the time. The deer moving when they when you hit him, sometimes like having so quick in Illinois when I shot that deer, I literally shot a buck at eight yards, smoked him, smoked city right. I thought I might have missed him. I didn't know for sure that I actually hit that deer because of the way you reacted as a two blade and went through quick and he took off and I couldn't I didn't see a any blood, nothing, And it happened so quick that I didn't know if I hit him. I couldn't find my arrow down there um and so I didn't see any blood or anything. And it just happened so quick you just don't see it, and so like it could have easily if I smoked the deer, and I think I might have missed it. You could easily miss by three or four inches where you thought you hit him because you just didn't see it right, you know, Like last year I was and I was filming right, but we did that wind bump for hunter and he missed that buck supposedly because of the side umpos makes sense, Yeah, makes sense. We'll give it to him. Um, And I thought he missed high, but he missed low right, And that's a whole deer width that I was wrong. It's hard to see. It's hard to see. So and that's the thing, man, Like, like you said, if you don't see the deer dead, how do you know where you actually hit that deer? I mean, you got thoughts about it. But like all the time, you and I will watch back footage from shooting a deer or something and be like, man, that's actually better than I thought it was. You know, I thought it was high or whatever and it ended up being pretty good and or last verse or whatever. But like, yeah, that's that is the thing. And I think that what Eric Eric's point is, like people just don't They're not willing to like be a bad hunter. This is a human sport or whatever, you know, Like people gotta you gotta be the best hunter and you gotta have the best opinions and stuff, and really, um that causes a lot of dudes to just not want to, you know, submit to the fact that, like they made a mistake. It happens. We make mistakes. Man, you've ever seen the movie Quickly down Under? You I'll ever seen Quickly? Don't think so? Uh it's all mustache man. What is his name? Brian's dad? Uh? What is his name? I can't remember seeing your wife? I've oh guy, you know, Uh, somebody's yelling at me right now. But anyways, Uh, Quickly down There is really cool movie and it's about a lot of stuff. But this guy is really good with pistols. Right. It's kind of like a cowboy type or whatever, but it's a little bit more modern in the old cowboy days. Has Don in Australia. Well, um, they're like he gets in a tight spot or whatever and he doesn't have his pistols and they're getting shoot off thing and uh, the he gets this long rifle and he shoots like a thousand yards and hits a bucket or something. I don't remember. But uh, then the guy who he beats in the shoot off says, I thought you weren't any good at shooting a rifle, and Quiluness says, no, I just said, ain't never had much use for one. They can shoot one just fine, It's all right. So it's say that to say this. If you're talking about people, aren't afraid to admit that they made bad shots or take it. Take ownership of that. As an archery hunter, you have to take ownership of the fact that you were using a less effective method of take Barnet, I don't care if it's Aaron Snyder, I don't care who you are. You are better with a rifle at twenty yards than you are with a bow. It's just plain and simple. If you know how to operate a rifle again, and somebody's like, well you know, but like it's the truth. Like, if you have a thirty thirty open side side at twenty yards, you can probably hit a dime most times. Dude, I went, uh. One of our buddies, his name is Cody, we went with I went with him one time, just walking through the river bottoms with a rifle to forty three and dude, I mean I I've shot a lot of guns, right, but at seventy yards. I'm shooting pigs on the run with a scope rifle and knocking them straight. Now, it's just I can shoot a bow wheel and I can shoot a gunwell, and there's no question. There's no question. I mean, and then you look at lethal range, like shock value or whatever that that that bullet brings as opposed to man, it's just like there's no question. And that's what you're co presenting, right, Like we are doing something that's less than lethal, and so maybe we should afford each other some grace if we're all gonna partake in this bow hunting thing. Sounds good to me, not just like with hunting, but within life in general, Like you make mistakes, like the only way to get better from those mistakes is acknowledging it. Yeah, yeah, not just with hunting, it to anything. Well, Hunter, Biden, you know, I thought you're saying hunter within Hunter said, yeah, you're saying he needs some grapes. Man, he probably does, don't, don't we all right? Uh, golly dude, I don't even know what's sorry, I should have done that. What else do you learned last night, Tyler? Anything? Um? I learned? Um? And I think I got most of my my learnings on the table already. Did you make Mechanicals great Again last night? Oh? Yeah, dude, for sure. And if you were into making mechanicals greating, then you need to go over to the Element wild dot com and get you a T shirt. Matt ordered one today and we got it out to him today, like Matthew for sure. So uh, if you're into that, you know it's it's kind of a joke, right, Like, mechanicals are just fine, So we're fixed if you shoot them good, you know, do whatever you have the most confidency him. But uh, sometimes it gets a little tiring hearing people rag on mechanicals and you want to make them grat again. So go over there and make your statement. Let it be known which side of the political all you're gonna stand on, and get you a make Mechanicals grat Again shirt? Eric, what's your favorite Element shirt? Mm hmm. That's a good question because I like a lot of them. Oh, the black Illinois Rack shirt, yea? Or the olive oak tree shirt? Got o? Is the the the Illinois Rack like because it's like a central Illinois deal? Do you yeah? That? And I think it just looks pretty good. He's central. He's pretty good looking. If I kill a Central Ohio buck and put it on a shirt, would you buy it? Oh, I'd buy it tomorrow. Yeah, dude, I gotta go do it. It's good support. We got a big buck on camera there. Yeah, we did. Let's go who knows what he's doing? Who knows where that camera is? Michael? And find the camera? Said he one there? That's right. But he said it was a cool spot. Yeah. Yeah. Was it a tough snow too? Yeah? How do you feel about the distance to that camera? Was it okay? Is it too hard? Not too hard? It was far less. It depends on which way you come in. I came in from like a different angle than you guys, I think, and it was pretty easy to get there. Yeah, from the north, I don't remember. I came in from some fields. Yeah, then some power lines. M Yeah makes sense? Good? Not too bad? How about that? Not too bad? On a We dropped that on a math Scout challenge a couple of years back. This year we were actually doing all the Scouts stuff for that. We just started to not direct resources that too much traveling right now is just expensive with the price of gas, So we did some scout stuff, and we have a new Eastcout video out. It's a Montana East Scout And if you have not looked at Montana for whitetail, maybe don't look, but still go watch the video because we might want to hunt there one of these days. We don't want you there, but um no, I'm just kind of joking. Montana is a state with a ton of dear a ton of white tails, and they don't get a ton of his attention. And I think that you could go there and potentially shoot the deer of your lifetime without a lot of competition. So go check out the Montana Eastcout. Could have a fun at the very least family and you could catch a trout and shoot a deer. So come on, man, what are we doing? Let me do that, dude, put a hopper on, be fly fishing on my left hand, shooting deer in my right mouth tab style. You got a tin car here, mouth tab right hand and flyer on and mouth tab and left hand. Yeah, you could where grizzly spray out when you do that. Let me ask you this. Sometimes sometimes when you're podcasting, you got these points that you want to make and you start making one, you get to the end of it. You got to the the point coming up in your mind, and then you forget before you get to the end of the point that you're making, what the point is. And you gotta like mad gab for like two sentences, and you hope that in that two sentence time period you get what you're going to talk about, right, you understand the next point. And at the same time, you got one eyes, your left eye looking to the left, right, the right. That's how you that's how you practice for this fly fish and slash bow hunt. Yeah, well, you guys remember those techniques. Understand which hand to use, what end, make mechanicals, grit again, and remember this is your element lifted