00:00:01 Speaker 1: I'm Casey, and I'm Casey and you're listening to the Element Podcast. 00:00:05 Speaker 2: Element Podcast. What is happening all my woods people? 00:00:19 Speaker 1: Welcome to Whitetail Season. 00:00:20 Speaker 2: Boy, how do I'm excited? We've got Tyler Jones here, Michael Stole and Cupcake Casey Knight. I don't know if the audience has met Casey Knight, but you may have seen him. Should we should we explain where you've been seen before? Yeah? Yeah, okay, so, uh, why don't you pull that? Make you just a little close to your mouth? There you go, but don't breathe on it. 00:00:44 Speaker 1: Experience. But he'll learn, he'll learn. 00:00:47 Speaker 2: If you've watched the tether tagged out to her, Casey was a part of that. And now he's helping us films some stuff and do some other things. But good dude, my opinion of him is falling quickly as more I know. But you know, uh, the starts good kind of break it down to build it up, you know, that's right. I like that, dude. 00:01:06 Speaker 1: It's like your body build or something. He's talk about Ronnie Coleman earlier too. You know, when he turns eighteen. 00:01:12 Speaker 2: That's that's a joke. But it is whattail season and some of the crew has been doing some wattail hunting with some interesting developments that we will discuss here shortly. Uh but first, should you. 00:01:28 Speaker 1: Should we just real quick? Should we tell him what his nickname is? 00:01:32 Speaker 2: I did? Did you introduced him his cupcake? Oh? 00:01:35 Speaker 1: Okay, sorry I missed that part. With this clown nose over here. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: He has some of the best I would say, pre pubescent pictures of. 00:01:47 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, explanation, what's. 00:01:50 Speaker 2: The other guy? What's the other what's the kid off up that yours? 00:01:54 Speaker 1: Rusty? Rusty wrestle? I showed my kids last night. We compared mature of you. So he looked like that. But now you don't, I hope not well, kinda just in the face, but not fully you know, yeah, do your hunting machine is half the man he used to be. You know that's a pretty good man. 00:02:18 Speaker 2: I'm half the man he used to be. 00:02:21 Speaker 1: Is that who sings that? 00:02:24 Speaker 2: I feel like it's Gary? Everything's Gary On, man, that's the most text. It is everything Gary Allen man. That's right. Gary On can sing anything. Okay, So if you follow the element for long, you know for one that we joke a lot but this is something serious. Guys. We have a YouTube channel and quite honestly, we've been putting some of the better stuff that I think we've ever put on our channel on the feed here lately, including Tyler's giant buck from last year, and we because of the way the schedule fell, we decided to hold it for this year. That way you could be appreciated for. 00:03:06 Speaker 1: A whole deer season. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: Tyler Jones cuppy is on the TV. See here's the thing we need when you have video podcast, that way people can see this. 00:03:16 Speaker 1: This is very this is ironically I mean, this is like very close creepily. 00:03:24 Speaker 3: You think we could take something from the movie and just green screen his face on it and it'd be perfect. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: For sure if you put a yellow hat on him. In that picture on the right, he is Russell. Oh you took that selfie. 00:03:40 Speaker 2: That's a selfie that was on iPad. 00:03:42 Speaker 1: You took a look at them just sliding. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: Make that fishing picture. 00:03:48 Speaker 1: I caught the biggest fish that day. 00:03:50 Speaker 2: Make that bigger. You caught a ritz? Snap? 00:03:54 Speaker 1: What are those little like uh porgies or whatever? 00:03:57 Speaker 2: I think there were grunts grunts? 00:04:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, who's that older kid? 00:04:04 Speaker 2: That's my brother. So you have an older brother too, Yeah, yeah, but a twin sister, not twin but almost pretty much twin sister ten and a half months got you. 00:04:13 Speaker 3: He's only a year and ten months older than him. So he's barely older too, isn't he? 00:04:17 Speaker 2: No, he's your age. Oh, old man, the old ley. 00:04:25 Speaker 1: I got called the ancient the other day. I'm just old your angel, ancient of days, ancient days man. So sorry to cut you off. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: A good real quick, I would like to talk about your deer from last year, real quick quick. 00:04:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the worst. I'm just gonna drink this energy dream. 00:04:47 Speaker 2: This is my heart flutter. A deer that you have some experience with, yeah, some history with. It's a deer that you didn't know you were going to target that year. 00:05:00 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I didn't. I did not know. I didn't even think i'd be hunting on this property, yeah, honest. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: And on this property. How many stand locations. 00:05:10 Speaker 1: Do you have? Oh? Probably one? 00:05:14 Speaker 2: Probably one. It got a little smaller recently, right kind of. 00:05:17 Speaker 1: So it's I mean, there's a there's other places I could hunt, yeah, on this property, but I have, I mean, I got one. It's kind of yours. Try stand location. Yeah, it's not like a. 00:05:29 Speaker 2: And a lot of the other locations are kind of like stuff that you kind of make work. 00:05:33 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, a lot of it. You know, I'm kind of low man on that whole deal. 00:05:40 Speaker 2: So I think that's something that a lot of people can identify with, even if it's not like a low man of the totem pole thing. But it's just like I got one spot, man, and you know, we got a one hundred acret least peening four guys, or I got one stand behind the house. You know, it's a thing, or at least maybe it's just like when I do go to this place, I only have one spot, right, So first off, I want to talk about just kind of what this deer is because he deserves some hot because I'm looking at his antler tips right now, and I'm looking at the deer you have on the wall. 00:06:13 Speaker 1: I can see this deer. 00:06:14 Speaker 2: It's it's a majestic rack and it's located behind a sewing machine in Tyler's house in a very prestigious display location on top of a freezer, because it's going to end up on the wall on it, but it isn't currently And I'm looking at the antler tips and outside of your muletier mount those antler tips, like the tips of the main beams, are the widest ones in the house. 00:06:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's big. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, where does he fall on the scale of the big deer that you've shot? 00:06:44 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't scored him. Yeah, I hadn't scored a deer in a long time. But he might be if you were looking at score, he might be the third biggest deer I've shot. And I don't just I shot another deer in twenty twelve. That's going to be right at probably one sixty. That said, splits deer upstairs, uh huh yeah, and then this deer is going to be right in there somewhere. Imagine probably a little less than one sixty. 00:07:16 Speaker 2: So if you've watched our channel some and you've seen our desktop videos, there's a chance you can tell what dear Tyler's talking about. 00:07:22 Speaker 1: You don't have that filmed the shooting that deer. No, but no, I had just actually I had just started hanging out with a buddy, a mutual friend of ours, Anthony, who's been on the podcast a few times, been on a Red Fresh a few times, and we started doing some video stuff that year. But so I remember texting him when I shot that deer, but we weren't filming. I had filmed a deer the year before that. I shot that I rattle in and that deer was smaller than I thought when he came running in after I rattled, and so I shot him and and kind of felt a little remorseful just because the it's it's interesting. People were gonna some people are gonna cringe at that, and some people are gonna understand. But like, you know, my dad wanted us to shoot big, big deer up there. Like that was while we're we're gonna go up there just because we're up there to shoot big, a big class deer. And I ended up shooting probably was a three year old nine point and which ironically is now you're rattling. That's exactly right. And it's been that way for since then pretty much. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: So so you know, a serviceable reason to shoot this year, Yeah, for sure, because of him, That's right, I think. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: And then uh, that next year, I kind of like it kind of puts such a bad taste in my mouth that experience did that I didn't I wanted to keep filming hunts for sure, but I just kind of was like, oh, I'm just gonna focus on shooting a big deer and have some fun hunting. So I didn't film that year, and then twenty fourteen would be the year that I really started like getting back into the film game pretty pretty heavily and filmed a bunch of deer that year. It didn't film any that I that I I film. I filmed something that I had killed and film filming while I shot him. U. 00:09:07 Speaker 2: I filmed some. 00:09:08 Speaker 1: Deer in like November, when I tagged a deer in December. 00:09:11 Speaker 2: So but that deer, if you've seen some of our desktop videos, Uh, he's in the background and he's a really impressive buck. 00:09:18 Speaker 1: But that's not the deer that we're talking about today. 00:09:21 Speaker 2: But you're talking about you know, if you were going to do some score assumptions, those are kind of comparable type deer. Yeah, and this deer. I know that you were doing some totals while we were up there, Like you didn't you don't score your deer, but you got a good idea of what things measure out of it, and you're kind of you're pretty excited. 00:09:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, he I don't know for sure what he's I mean, I hadn't thought about it since probably back then, but he may be even the second biggest year. But he's him, and he's right in there. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: He did break off a brow time. Yeah, they can put that stuff back on for you. 00:09:50 Speaker 1: That's true. 00:09:51 Speaker 2: You love that. It's one of my favorites on Yesterday's very tongue in cheek from me. Hey, if we could find this, so y'all know that deer that everybody else claims to have shot and. 00:10:06 Speaker 1: Put on the internet. 00:10:07 Speaker 2: Chris, Chris be shot that Chris. Disclaimer, Chris did not claim that he's he's a friend of ours. 00:10:12 Speaker 1: He did call me after I shot it and asked if I was hunting where he was hunting. Yeah, they do. 00:10:18 Speaker 2: But uh, if by some uh you know, divine placement, we found the broken off piece of that broadtown, would you glue it back on there? Not? 00:10:31 Speaker 1: At this point it would be snow white probably it probably would be. Uh, but uh, if we'd have found it that year, for sure, dude, I would have put done something. I might have actually put it in like a shadow box and hung underneath them or something. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Hey, Brian showed me the piece of the elk countler just broke off in that elk skull the other day. It's weird because it's so short and it's kind of like if you're thinking about how antlers break, usually they're gonna break at like the pivot point, you know what I mean. And so like the force that it would take to break that little tip off in the skull is a lot. It ain't like a ain't a what am I trying to say? 00:11:14 Speaker 1: Like a fulcrum. It doesn't have any folk crom action it is. 00:11:16 Speaker 2: It's just like pale, which is wild. Probably just explosive though, man, which I always wonder like, I don't think we. 00:11:23 Speaker 1: Told that on the podcast though, that the elk Brian shot had a elk antler tip in his skull. 00:11:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, wild, Yeah, I think didn't you were there? 00:11:33 Speaker 1: No, you weren't. 00:11:35 Speaker 2: I think like Greg or somebody found I think it was Greg found that in the elk's head, like they were. They all kind of were like, oh, there's something going on there, but Greg gonna you know that they I guarantee you he's ready for war. And speaking of this, deer has a broke off brow time and it's funny how often deer do break antlers, especially in this country, it's almost like they're so aggressive and so big necked. 00:12:04 Speaker 1: And have such lack of protein. 00:12:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, they that feel like they break it off on trees more often than not. I mean, I know they're breaking stuff when they're fighting, but like, if you watch a deer rub a tree, a lot of times he's turned his head a little sideways and getting that tree between those brow ties, and I just wonder if that's. 00:12:21 Speaker 1: How that one's broken on that deer. 00:12:24 Speaker 2: He also has really gray antlers compared to what some of the other ones do, which makes you think, me think that he spent a lot of time out in the open. 00:12:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he was not under a tree when I shot him, that deer, So that deer is I would assume this deer is six years old. Yeah, that he might be. He might be give or take a year. 00:12:51 Speaker 2: Do you have footage of him fro the year before. 00:12:54 Speaker 1: Year before I shot on the first day as buck truck. 00:12:57 Speaker 2: Year, but two years before that, two years before I do. Yeah, And he's a deer that y'all got confused on which deer was what, And that's. 00:13:05 Speaker 1: The deer that ended up getting filmed. Yeah, he's so he got We had footage of him because he got filmed. Yeah, when I was looking at a mondo in a different direction. Yeah, so similar direction enough that apparently, you know, it was assume that I was looking at that deer. So yeah, anyway, Yeah, it's h he was he I passed him, and this is like a real pass. You know. He was at fifteen yards. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: What's that management thing you're talking about on that property, right, Yeah, which is for sure a blessing and a curse. You've been able to kill a lot of big, mature deer, but there's just some years that you don't have a six or seven year old hunt. Yeah, and that's this year. In fact, we had a camera over there and we weren't really picking up anything that was worth hunting. You and I were hunting at least that we had together up there, and we had some deer, but they were a little bit difficult. So you were just like, well, I have pretty good wins for this, right, So you went over there, and that's where I want to kind of get into the single stand location thing a little bit, so you could go a lot of different ways with this. We have friends here that are Texas public land killers. Who have kind of do that on purpose. Just hunt a single stand location and almost like throw caution to the end, as they say, and just hunt it no matter what the wind direction is, and if you hunt it long enough, you kill something. You, on the other hand, are really win conscious, I would say. And you've been hunting this stand for what probably ten years, maybe longer. 00:14:45 Speaker 1: This stand I've only hunted for a few years. 00:14:47 Speaker 2: Oh really, yep. The first year you and me went there is whenever some of the earlier years you hunted. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: It was seventeen yep, yep. So I used to hunt a lot down. Well, I got to jump around a little bit more, uh the first few years. But I used to hunt on a different property. And then I used to hunt. I've hunted the swamp, that's what they call it. Hunted that quite a bit and killed a deer or two over there too. 00:15:18 Speaker 2: Oh. 00:15:18 Speaker 1: I used to hunt there's a place called the TJ Stand, that's you know, and I killed I've killed a couple of deer out of that location, so including one eye Jack, I actually killed three deer there, I think. So I liked that spot a lot. But yeah, I just just kind of out of the way stuff. Really, and then I kind of got into a main draw by hunting this stand or whatever, and yeah, had some new guys that joined or whatever, and you know, it's it is a it is a management deal where like I have to I mean, nobody's gonna be mad if I shoot at three or four year old buck. 00:15:53 Speaker 2: In fact, I feel like the uh, the culture around that is even relaxed a little bit more like sure, sure, I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing. 00:16:02 Speaker 1: I just think it's just kind of goes. I think it's fine, you know, I think that you don't want to do that, like two years in a row maybe, But like I think that nobody's gonna nobody's gonna say anything or really even feel any certain way if you do that. It's just I want to be I want to, you know, be considerate of the others that are on the place. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: Well, your dad, he's kind of gotten to the point where he just enjoys deer Camp so much that he's not as worried about growing big giant bucks. It seems like, you know, which is cool. And he's a big part of kind of the story this year. 00:16:35 Speaker 1: Dude, and he likes the element a lot man. Yeah, I'll say that. Like he tells me, I go over there all the time, and he's got Element shirt on and he's watching one of like four of our videos that he watches. You know, he has like his favorite four or whatever, and that's what he watches. And you know, one of them when he recovered that deer with you, and it was fun. Some of the buck truck stuff a thing. But yeah, it's uh, he likes it a lot. So he he kind of like he kind of feels like a part of it when I shoot a deer, yeah, on that place, and so he's always like, you just go down there up my stand. There's some big deer down there, shoot shoot one, you know. And he did that this year this past year, and I didn't want to really go down there. He was hunting. He's hunting a big deer, which I'm pretty sure was this deer that I shot, but I ended up shooting it a mile from him, you know. 00:17:23 Speaker 2: And so year I saw that the I think he took a cell phone picture of the deer when was walking away. Yeah, big light colored wrack yeah, why yep. 00:17:33 Speaker 1: So anyway, but yeah, I mean the deer, the deer came by in a rock cruise and just kind of in a spot that I didn't think he was gonna comby. So there's a reason we weren't getting him on camera. 00:17:46 Speaker 2: But where your dad was seeing him as close to where you saw him a couple of years back. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very close. Yeah, that's what I'm guessing. That's where he kind of staged or stayed, you know, or whatever. So Core arranged up. But you know, when it's November tenth, they do some traveling. You killed that during the tenth so you know, killed Nameless on the tenth too. It's a good day, it is. 00:18:08 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in Iowa, it might be over, it. 00:18:11 Speaker 1: Might be. 00:18:13 Speaker 2: So, uh, tell me a little bit about the stand location, because it's actually two stands, right, And this is a thing that I've learned from y'all. You'll you'll have like a really good wind for a place, but it's almost impossible to hunt it because the deer know how to use that country really well. And so you end up setting up like a couple stands around one area trying to. 00:18:41 Speaker 1: Hunt the just off. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, and in this video you see a couple different hangs in there, and I think well, which which side did you. 00:18:54 Speaker 1: Kill this deer on? 00:18:54 Speaker 2: I don't remember the big tree, so the one with the round stand, yep, yeah, so I've been in it with you. But there's a there's a stand that's like southwest of that, right, and so how are you deciding which one to sit in? And then what winds you know, YadA YadA. 00:19:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they the predominant wind is a it's a southeast up there. And the way that that draw runs, which you know, being that it's pre open country, if you have a draw, they usually are going to be following that draw. So the way the draw run runs, you have to hunt. You get to hunts that stand quite a bit, but and you may get winded, but it's usually a ways after they've left, and so no, kind of not really such a big deal sometimes and you don't get I don't ever notice getting winded very much still, but then there's another tree standing there for for different winds, and then you know, if you we get some kind of weird uh post front winds. 00:19:56 Speaker 2: Like it's always a northeast, ye, Like if you get a cold front maybe like as the front is hitting, it's a north or northwestern. Yeah, But like the cold front days are northeast. 00:20:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, that's why we put that other stand over there, yep, because that the northeast, we see it a lot. And uh, with the way that that creek runs, you can you can hunt that other stand pretty well on that that wind as long as deer uh not too spread out on the back side there, which they're usually not. They kind of come down into the to the hole right there. And do you do that on mornings too? 00:20:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I asked you about this, will Ago because we were looking at some of this footage for putting something together, and uh, the axis is like exclusively from across the draw. 00:20:43 Speaker 1: So you just traditionally have always walked across the bottom and not worried about it. 00:20:48 Speaker 2: For one, don't worry about ground stand too much. And for two, like swiping your wind on the deer isn't really a problem. 00:20:57 Speaker 1: Well, I never the two things. I don't really feel like I'm swiping the wind on the deer hardly ever, because they travel so much. The food sources three quarters of a mile or more from from that location. And then the best you know, baiting habitat is all the other direction. For a couple, maybe maybe almost two miles, So I feel like that that's one thing I don't really have to worry about too much. The ground scent thing, it's something I'm definitely cautious or conscious of. But once you get down into the dry creek bed that draw, it's sandy, so you're not really rubbing. You're not rubbing on plants and stuff like that. So a lot of sage and stuff and some warm season grasses. Do you ever do the step in a cow patty thing? 00:21:47 Speaker 2: I don't like stepping in count. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: I usually just I mean, I'm pretty careful about where I step. I try to step over deer trails because I think that and I've got some backup for this, but I feel like that if you don't walk down a deer trail most of the time, you can get away with some ground scent. So if you walk over a deer trail, even and I try not to hit the taller plants around there, trying to hit him with my hands especially, and I walk take big steps over the deer trails, and so anyway, I go in there dry creek, so no big deal at that point usually, but I did when this buck came in. So we come down into the draw, but not all the way and then kind of side held down into it. 00:22:37 Speaker 2: Which normally this if you're killing him on that stand, you don't have to worry about the ground scent thing. 00:22:42 Speaker 1: But he kind of did a weird thing. Yeah, he was going, yeah, exactly right. So I stayed high on the side of the you know, kind of on the side of where it's dropping down into the draw, and worked right down to the tree, thinking he was gonna come down a trail that goes through the bottom, which is where most of the deer walk, including the one I shot the year before. So anyway, he comes, he starts walking, we see him. He starts walking towards us, and he goes right to my ground scent and he starts to smell around it, kind of takes a step back and gets kind of weird for a second, and I was like, oh, no, this is gonna mess the whole thing up. At like thirty five yards, you know, And it was one of those places where I had crossed over the trail and he kind of worked through it and went on and you know, the rut, the rut helps with that thing. Yeah, sure, if it was if it was September there's a high chance that deer waits till dark and goes back. I'm just not heard about anything. Yeah, so let's stand in there and think about it for like fifteen minutes. Yeah, if they want to. 00:23:39 Speaker 2: This is another thing that I think hunting a stand over and over can benefit you on is even if the trails aren't visible, you. 00:23:48 Speaker 1: Kind of know what, like what holes to be looking for deer. 00:23:52 Speaker 2: And you and I have talked about this, and I think the year that you and I hunted it was one of the first years that you saw all this, But the deers kind of started doing a weird thing in there, like what he did. 00:24:05 Speaker 1: Right, So for. 00:24:06 Speaker 2: Forever you felt like they were always walking the bottom, and then all of a sudden bucks more and more would end. 00:24:12 Speaker 1: Up on that. I guess it's like the ink yeah of a creek. Right. 00:24:17 Speaker 2: And so did you make adjustments to like shooting lanes or to think about making sure he had shots to certain spots because of that? 00:24:25 Speaker 1: I mean, because you shot him there, Yeah, and I haven't. 00:24:27 Speaker 2: I haven't. 00:24:29 Speaker 1: I haven't adjusted that stand a long time. And so there is a hole back there to shoot. I can't remember if we clean that up the first time we put that stand in or not. But there's a hole back there. It's a it's a narrow window, and it makes for not the greatest footage because there's a lot of limbs and stuff, but that time of year, you know, leaves are all gone right then, and able to see him quite a bit. So he came came very close before. I mean he he almost might have been closer before I shot him than he was when I shot him, but a few yards probably so. But now I didn't I don't think we did any cleaning up or anything there. Maybe at some point early when we first hung it. But yeah, just knowing that there's a hole there, I always have that as an option, you know. And the wind, I mean that probably would have been the last hole I would have had without him getting my wind, I guess, so. Dear So he worked he's you know, kind of kind of working through halfway up the high bank, and when he got close to the tree, instead of coming down to the bottom, he kind of worked up the bank again. Well, I could see that he was coming back up to the top, and I knew that this buck when he when he you know, when he got to the top, he was gonna stop and look, and so it just I mean I almost knew that I might not have to grunt stop him, but I might depending on where he came up in my window to the top. And it was just perfect. I mean, he came up right into the top of the window and the top of the draw and just stopped and looked, and I had time to really focus in take that extra breath and put it on his you know, put it pretty much on his heart. Thought he was going to be like twenty. I got to range on that spot that he was actually ranged the spot where I thought he's going to stop right there when he comes up, because looking at the trajectory range the spot put it down clip on, he comes up, he stops, and so I draw back and I think it was at twenty three or four. So ended up hitting maybe just a touch lower than I thought, but it pretty much just smoked the heart found that out pretty well. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what you're referring to is, I don't know if we've talked about this publicly too much, but for not only are we now proponents of having a first aid kit, but knowing where where it is and where the stuff is for it you were cleaning the deer. It's the thing that we all do now is that you kind of are supposed to clean your own deer. And so yeah, we're all hanging out giving high fives while you're you know, feeld dressing. 00:27:17 Speaker 1: H We're not gonna do anything crazy to him right. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: The end, right, but you're gonna mount this deer. So you don't cut the sternum. You you know, you stop where the essentially where the rib cage kind of starts, right, and that means you got to kind of reach up in there and cut out the windpipe and all that stuff, not not through the neck, right, but just where it goes into the body cavity. 00:27:40 Speaker 1: And you're doing that and. 00:27:42 Speaker 2: It's not a broadhead thing, because I know that's the thing that a lot of people are cautious of that was floating around in there. We found it, found it later, I believe. But you can reach up in a deer and injure yourself on broad heads. I've even heard of people doing that on broadheads and Arthur own you know it's it's that would be pretty unco right, But a deer gets shot and has a broad head and meat somewhere you don't expect it, and all of a sudden, you know, you gotta cut spy. 00:28:08 Speaker 1: What happened? 00:28:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. 00:28:11 Speaker 1: I was, you know, elbow deep as they say, and I'm trying to cut the wind pipe and basically you pull all the stuff out with the windpipe. So, uh, I'm fixing to do that. And I've got, you know, a very sharp scalpel blade knife, replaceable blade knife. And I was like, I wonder if I wonder if I. 00:28:36 Speaker 2: Did hit the heart. 00:28:36 Speaker 1: I think I had to have grabbed the heart and it is like separated at the top. I mean it was at the top of it all very good, very good shot. And I was like, oh yeah, I got the heart. And about that time, my knife, the mechanism that that releases the blade, got caught on some gelatinous stuff up in there, and it's uh it then released. My hands are very close together at the time, and I got the heart and the left hand knife and the right and when it released off of there, it just sliced and dag to the bone, gash about two inches long. It's pretty good. I was thinking, you're gonna have to have stitches. I probably should have. I mean, it's it's still that's what it looks like almost a year later, you know, it's still like pink and purple. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, we should post that on the story later just goes out people can see it. 00:29:24 Speaker 1: But yeah, So, I mean I smoked it and uh, immediately I knew I had done I had cut myself. I didn't know how bad it was exactly pull it out. Of course, I got blood all over my hands. But what's what? Yeah, but I mean you could I could see the bone or whatever. Here. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot you straight, shoot your body straight. You're pretty tough dude, one of the tougher guys I know. But there's one thing that you don't do well with cutting myself, cutting yourself. 00:29:53 Speaker 1: I mean I can cut, I can cut that deer open. Just find that I go to cutting myself and go Lee. I but we've told this, I think. But like, I mean, I was almost passed out and. 00:30:04 Speaker 2: You did like I'm pretty sure. Uh, I can't remember for sure, but I think I pushed you up in your driver's seat, like you were kind of up on it. 00:30:13 Speaker 1: Might open my door or something doing that. Yeah, it was like it was a weird moment where I sat on the tailgate for a second. Then I was cold sweat, and I was like, I'm fixing to pass out and fall off the tailgate. So I got to go get a seat, So I like run around to get and see get to seat anyway. Then I sat in the shower. Uh later on that night, after we finally got back an hour and a half later probably, and uh, thankfully my friends K C and and so had some tools to get me kind of stopped the bleeding a little bit, and then they did some some gutting and finishing for me, which was very thoughtful and appreciate it. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: I'm glad that you got your pictures taken before we do. 00:30:50 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean too, because there wouldn't be a picture d we would have had to add some color. 00:30:55 Speaker 1: I was, I was, I'm telling you, but I got in that shower and I was just kind of like Dallas my hand in the shower a little bit, and it would feel kind of weird and I'd back it off and I'd be like I just for thirty minutes, I was just trying my best to kind of get it just completely rinsed down. 00:31:09 Speaker 2: I remember at least once like hollering downstairs, like hey, Tyler, you're just making sure that you weren't past it. 00:31:14 Speaker 1: I was in there for thirty minutes, and dude, it was like the whole time I was on the brink. Yeah, I mean like every thirty seconds, I'd go back into like I'm fixing the past out, go ahead and just look at this wall, think about stuff, maybe singing a HM song. So yeah, it was a pretty fun, but we made it back. 00:31:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 00:31:35 Speaker 1: Then I had like I think I had some butterfly bandages and a duct taped across them, and the I killed a deer a couple of days later with that whole bandage system. 00:31:46 Speaker 2: That, uh, that'll be out pretty soon as well over on the media channel. But I think the uh isn't that You can see your hand in that video a little bit some point in time. Can't you see that? 00:32:01 Speaker 1: It's want to go on the media hunt. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can see it for sure. 00:32:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:32:05 Speaker 2: It's quite weird. 00:32:08 Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was a weird thing, but yeah, like anyway, I'm I was, uh, it's creeped out until the next morning and then kind of got back to like, you know, that same feeling when you shoot the bucks, just a good feeling. Man, everybody. Most people listening probably know that feeling. Man, there's just like and you may only get one bucky year sometimes and it's just like, man, that's just a feeling like nothing else. But the next day or two you're just like, oh, man, that's a you feel so accomplished, you know. I mean, it's kind of that childlike thing. Man, It's like, you know, you feel like a child again that did something that like, yeah, some people don't care about, but it's a cool for me. 00:32:46 Speaker 2: You know. I somewhat have felt it lately, well in the past few seasons, but so often I feel like I'm killing deer on the back end of trips. I don't know why that is, but you end up killing deer. I don't guess that was really on the front end of a trip too much, was it was. 00:33:04 Speaker 1: It's kind of maybe yeah, four days in, but like. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: It's strange because I haven't got to do the camp shift thing too much at all, you know, just like the hangout. 00:33:16 Speaker 1: Maybe I need all the practice cooking. 00:33:17 Speaker 2: I can remember one time recently I've done it, but it's just like for a day or something, you know, ain't real long. Uh, but maybe I will the next time we go to South Dakota. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: That's what I'm hoping, dude, I need you to cook me some good food. You did cook, uh, you did cook on the Texas Lease video during that trip, and that was I mean, I'm telling you, you know it. But I I talk all the time. I'm like, hey, send of that recipe again. I forgot if I got it. 00:33:39 Speaker 2: Uh, caldil de poo is. It's good stuff. We're gonna eat some of that more this year. I want to do it called old de pavo. Huh you know what that is? 00:33:51 Speaker 1: That ain't English. 00:33:52 Speaker 2: It's a turkey. 00:33:54 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, like the ones that cupcake gets at Brokshers. 00:33:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, pavos up there. I don't make sure it's not duck, but I think it's turkey begin you. But uh, that would be kind of more, you know, in line with the wild game thing. But you know, I ain't nothing wrong with old farm birder. Once in a while, chickens are good, That's right. You chickens a tasty critter amen, especially thives. 00:34:16 Speaker 1: Put one in some boiling water for about thirty minutes, come out with something that sticks your mouth together. Man. 00:34:22 Speaker 2: I like that. So tasty, so tasty, Uh. 00:34:26 Speaker 1: You you Actually, I don't know, probably feel like maybe a week later or so or less. Actually, uh, we're able to connect and it's uh there's a lot of people that are hype about that video. 00:34:40 Speaker 2: I'm excited about that. 00:34:41 Speaker 1: When's it coming out? 00:34:44 Speaker 2: Probably November. 00:34:45 Speaker 1: We got a couple more videos that are from last year still release, a couple of videos from Texas Public Land. Maybe uh, maybe like in October. I think it should come out like today. That's what I feel like to you. 00:35:00 Speaker 2: I've today, we can watch it. We got we got that inside access. Okay, that's good. We're gonna do movie Day tomorrow. 00:35:06 Speaker 1: We actually get to watch it tomorrow, Movie Day tomorrow. 00:35:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like. 00:35:09 Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. You've seen it. Hey, the intro is the hype the Yeah, that video is sick. Yeah it is. 00:35:18 Speaker 3: There's like there's a little might be a little bit too much insider information, but there is like twenty plus minutes of just chaos, just big. 00:35:28 Speaker 2: Bucks everywhere, snort, wheeze is grunts, I like chasing them around on the ground, everything, run the die. We were talking about today because Michael's still messing with the edit a little bit, and I told him I was like, man, let's just make it as much like the South Dakota film from last year as we can. And so if you like that one, I like it a lot like that. 00:35:46 Speaker 1: That was a good one. Yeah. 00:35:48 Speaker 2: So but what you should do is head over to the Element YouTube channel, watch Tyler's video and make sure you're subscribed so you can see these other ones that come out soon. Because our plan, guys, and we we actually have a good plan at this is that, uh, we are going to be able to put a lot of good stuff Element Channel this year. Uh. 00:36:08 Speaker 1: It's a good place to be these days. So go over there if you haven't, and you. 00:36:14 Speaker 2: Can really relive some of the past good memes as well. 00:36:17 Speaker 1: See like my Dad and watch the same fo you. 00:36:19 Speaker 2: Want to ride. 00:36:20 Speaker 1: You know, it's good stuff. 00:36:21 Speaker 2: So, speaking of South Dakota, on that note, our good friend Misto and Kim kick wait to South Dakota. Y'all did some filming. Greg ain't here, and uh but Tyler did some hunting and you filmed Greg. South Dakota was quite the experience this year. 00:36:46 Speaker 1: Ah yeah it was. 00:36:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, Casey, tell me about South Dakota without giving away too any details. 00:36:52 Speaker 4: That was. 00:37:13 Speaker 5: The coolest place I've ever, I mean, I didn't hunt, but the coolest place I've. 00:37:16 Speaker 2: Ever really hunted white tails. I'm glad to hear you say that, because you're kind of an outsider. But uh, I'm just but you're new to our crew, so you haven't been influenced by like our own opinions too much. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: I would say, even listen to Element podcast before the interned. 00:37:34 Speaker 2: Hey dude, that's what happens when you're in high school. You don't listen to the podcast, but that I would. I would likely say that Tyler. I don't want to speak for you, but it's up there for you. 00:37:46 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's it's a trip I look forward to every year. Man. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's high up there for and so for a guy with different backgrounds and different experiences to hear you say that, it's pretty cool. Yeah, it's a shame that they stopped giving out tags there, But. 00:38:03 Speaker 1: Why'd you like it? Just I'm just I'm just not used to landscape like that. 00:38:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it looks nothing like where I'm from and where I've hunted my entire life, and even on tagged Out last year, we never really hunted anywhere that looked like that either. Yeah, it's more of the same old stuff that I was used to, just like sitting in a tree, which we still did, but there were also some days where we weren't in a tree and that was really cool. 00:38:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's cool. Michael. 00:38:28 Speaker 3: What you think about South Dakota this year? I feel like this year in South Dakota we saw more big Bucks than the first two years. 00:38:39 Speaker 1: That I've been here. 00:38:41 Speaker 2: You might be right there. 00:38:43 Speaker 3: I feel like last year, in the year before, we had some pretty pretty bad hunt I think, and I think most of that is because of really warm mornings, which this year we didn't really have those. 00:39:00 Speaker 2: So so you think that this year was a better hunt, Well, if you're looking at just the amount of big Bucks we saw, yeah, I do think so. 00:39:10 Speaker 1: Is it because you say we because you're with or because all the people saw big bucks? I think it's because everybody was seeing big bucks. Like last year. You know, a couple of people have some honey holes figured out, and I've had to last two years until this year, I've only hunted three days total. Yeah, so we had to work this time. I had to work last time White Tail Week. 00:39:47 Speaker 2: Oh Man. 00:39:47 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think because everybody was seeing more. It felt like we had two hunts every day instead of just an evening hunt, and the mornings were like glassing observations. It's which it felt like the past two. 00:40:01 Speaker 1: Years now, y'all when when you shot your deer casey, last year y'all were it was a little bit later. Yep. Was that? Uh was that a similar situation? Did you were y'all go lass in mornings or did y'all feel like you're able to hunt in the mornings and then you were in the game. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: Oh, we were in the game in the morning. 00:40:20 Speaker 3: We were if we were out of the hotel, we were in the game pretty much last year. 00:40:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. 00:40:28 Speaker 2: It's hard to leave the hotel though, Dude, the rich Carlton's nice. So it is four sea warm in there. Yeah, but I felt like, honestly, last year, the mornings were better than the evenings except for like one evening. Interesting, you know, you think about it. I don't know, it was like winter when we were there. Yeah, you know, so, uh, it was just different conditions altogether. But the deer were doing the deer thing and that was a lot of fun. 00:40:55 Speaker 1: I like when they're doing the deer thing. 00:40:57 Speaker 2: I know they're so visible, man, I mean it, and I talk about it a lot. But one of the reasons I like hunting more open country is you get to see deer and learn, like what deer do you know? Growing up? Like I hunted East Texas a decent amount of public hunting growing up, and I hunted in the Texas hill country on deer leases every once in a while, and you didn't see deer that much there either. It was like they're in and out of these little holes coming to a feeder, so you weren't like learning the habits of deer. And then in East Texas you're just like up in an oak tree hoping they come eat the acorns underneath it, and you're not getting to see what they're doing a lot of the times, you know. And so I love going to the open country and especially even glass And you know me, I got big eyes. I like to look at stuff. I like to look at deer, and you can learn a lot about deer because they I got that antelopes stair. 00:41:55 Speaker 1: The u. 00:41:58 Speaker 2: The uh deer around the country, that's. 00:42:05 Speaker 1: A little bit of that glass bottle bubu. 00:42:11 Speaker 2: The uh deer around the country act a little different but they're still whitetails. So you can see a deer do something in North Dakota on an early season hunt, and it absolutely can still apply to a Texas deer in the hill country in December because they still kind of act the same way. They still kind of do some of the same stuff. Now they are a little different. I'm not saying that they're all the same, but you get what I'm saying. And so like being somewhere where you can put eyes on them and chase them around and just understand the way they move through terrain and stuff. 00:42:44 Speaker 1: Like that, I feel like it's super valuable. Yeah, let me ask you question. Okay, so far this year, you've not been able to hunt shot some pigs. That's true, You're not being able to hunt antlerd things. No, and I have a couple of I've been on a couple of trips that were actually pretty hard trips, and in fact, I guess we should go ahead and spill the beans about the slash trip. 00:43:15 Speaker 2: I was wondering if you want to talk about it, I think we should. 00:43:18 Speaker 1: Okay, we have this, We have this platform that we put videos on called YouTube, and people on there extremely mean and a lot of them don't have a whole lot of they don't care a whole lot about us. As I guess the ratio of them is less than that care about us. It would be less than on this podcast. And this is what some people would called call a captured audience. So I guess what I would say is like, you guys are here because by choice, you like to listen to this podcast, and I very much appreciate that, and so therefore I'm going to be very honest, and we always are very honest on the podcast, and you get you get extra insight info when you listen to the podcast that you don't get on YouTube. And I don't know for sure, we hadn't really discussed a whole lot about what's gonna happen with all the footage from this trip, but I did shoot a deer on the trip. Greg. We went to a place that I like and has a pretty good bed to feed pattern, and the first what was it the evening before opening day, and we saw two doughs, and I said, it ain't happening here this year, and so we went out next morning. No, we went out the next The next several days in a hundred different places struggled. Had had some decent bucks around here and there, and then Greg went and sat because he didn't have a great place that he liked. And he sat for us one morning back in this place that I'd kind of giving up hope on so quick, and he found a nice ten point and batted him. And I had told him that morning, I said, you can go over there and glass if you want to, but I don't want to ask you to go glass my spot for me while I go hunt another place. You know, I feel kind of bad about it. And he was like all about it. He said, noh, glass it up, dude, and we'll find a buck. So anyway, whatever he finds a buck, it's in a very advantageous spot. It's probably gonna come by this particular tree. And so Michael and I go in that afternoon set up on it, and this deer comes out from fairly close to where Greg had batted him last. Once the wind started picking up, he had to get out of there so he didn't get winded, and the bucket moved his bed a little bit. But I saw him Ralph a bat, big old white throat patch and face from a couple hundred yards away, Michael starts videoing him, and how long was it before I got a shot? 00:45:56 Speaker 3: Before the shot, it was probably about twelve thirteen minutes of watching a buck just slowly work his way up, slowly walk towards to how close seventeen how close he got? 00:46:07 Speaker 1: Yep. So uh, that was a hard thing for me. 00:46:10 Speaker 2: Man. 00:46:11 Speaker 1: I've had a very a very tough like eight weeks or so here two months, six six weeks, two months something like that. Had a lot of things happen in the Jones family, in my wife's family, and then also with the Element and all this and that. There's just been some some tough goes here and there, and lots of surprising news and some family death and stuff like that. And it's been very anxious time for me. And I try to I try to remind myself of Matthew six, twenty six and twenty seven a lot, but I don't. Yeah, I could. I can say that scripture. I've got it memorized and I can say it to myself, and my heart still feels like it's beaten fast. You know. 00:46:55 Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. 00:46:56 Speaker 1: It's like Paul says about the thorn in his side, right, It's like, uh, yeah, despite knowing that he's saved by grace, he doesn't he's not able to get rid of the thorn in his side, and somehow it's it's there to keep him humble. You know. 00:47:09 Speaker 2: Also the flesh cries out. Yeah, so when you're I can't remember the verse, right, but whenever you were trying to starve the. 00:47:15 Speaker 3: Flesh, it's gonna holler. 00:47:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So if you're trying to not be anxious, your anxiety is gonna get. 00:47:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it has. 00:47:22 Speaker 2: It's been. It's been real tough. 00:47:24 Speaker 1: So I can give y'all a bunch of excuses, and I'm going to because I think many of the people here want to listen to me talk about why I messed this shot up, because we. 00:47:38 Speaker 2: Like one of the initial reasons we ever did element stuff right was so that we could help other people learn and yeah, well the original that was like our mission state. Yeah, mission statement was like to help other hunters get to the next level or whatever they're trying to do or something like that. 00:47:56 Speaker 1: And inspire them to get outdoors. Yeah, so that was kind of our miss and statement from the get go, before we ever even you know, had any income at all, just we're just some guys putting stuff on the internet, and so watching this steer for thirteen minutes walk slowly to us and just knowing the trail that he's got two trail options actually in this whole, I guess you call it a pinch. I had shots out to sixty. I mean, it was almost a guarantee that he was going to come within. 00:48:28 Speaker 3: I mean when we were going into that tree, it's like, pretty much the only way we're not gonna have a chance of this steer is if he doesn't come out in daylight. Yeah, that's the only he has nowhere else to go pretty much. 00:48:40 Speaker 1: And he and he came out like earlier than what we saw last year, right yeah, in this area, So we were I mean as soon as I was like, oh this is great, that's awesome, you know yep. Now I've done a lot of preying in the tree and stuff, and still I knew. I knew, man, I could like just tell my heart rate before I ever saw this steer. It was just like almost nerve racked to go do this. Like it's almost like you you feel like in that situation that it's all it's like it's all up to you. Like, you're just gonna mess it up if it messes up, and then if it doesn't, then it's great. It's awesome. So it's either that or mess it up tremendously. It's not like sitting in a pinch in the rut and going, I hope he comes by today and then all of a sudden, the deer just shows up and you shoot it real quick, you know, like I sit there all afternoon thinking about this and trying to get it to go away. 00:49:29 Speaker 3: Even last year, if you think about it, it we watched him for a while, but in the moment, like in the last split month Split decision, it was just he ran out and you just drew back. Yeah, grunt stopped him and rip it. Yeah, it's kind of like, oh, here we go. 00:49:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this one was just a solid pace, you know, like and it came out early, but he was far away, and so you're kind of like, I think he's gonna get here. 00:49:52 Speaker 2: This is awesome. 00:49:53 Speaker 1: But then he kind of stalls out and it starts You're like, oh, is he gonna get here in time? And then finally thirteen minutes later this year, uh starts to take the trail that is seventeen yards and it's on my weak side. And so I had planned it. I thought I thought through everything, just like I try to always do, and I knew that I was gonna turn around and kind of lean back on this branch behind me. So I do that. Now I'm leaning kind of backwards because I'm leaning, I'm leaning on the branch. So, uh, who knows what my what they call the tea looks like. You know, who knows what the level of the bubble looks like. I don't because I'm about nearing blackout at this point, and this deer, you know, I wanted to I wanted to draw when if he came out. I wanted to draw when he was coming right fixed to come out the. 00:50:40 Speaker 3: Last see you can see it in the footage. You can see him you go to like kind of start to pull the bow back. But I'm pretty sure you said his head was up or something, so so he you know, by the time I got set and started to like look way over my shoulder, I could see him start starting to come out, So I was gonna start and draw, and then his head was like really high and kind of looking my direction just a touch, so I didn't I didn't draw, and he comes out and I pull back really slow. It's just as slow as I've drawn my bow, maybe like ever, you know, and I work it right. I mean, he's he's he's here, he's in twenty yards and I'm working back real slow, get it back, and he stops in my window and he's just barely slightly. 00:51:21 Speaker 2: Quartered too in the window in my wall. 00:51:26 Speaker 1: Is that where you're going there? 00:51:27 Speaker 2: No window is a funny window. I got you. 00:51:29 Speaker 1: Ye, he saw right in the window, and he's like, yes, slightly quartered to. And so I'm like seventeen yards. I can. I can shoot a very accurate shot at seventeen yards. So in my mind, all this is happening in split seconds, right, I go, okay, tuck it against the shoulder right there, and so I pull it in tight to the triangle what Yannispotellis calls the vital V. I pull it right in there and pull the trigger and it goes where I would not imagine it have going, and it hits him like a high shoulder blade and penetrates the shoulder blade. It's mechanical. Yeah, mostly, you know, I shoot a mechanical because I have a lot of torque in my grip, and I just feel like that's what I shoot best. And I just couldn't believe how high. And actually he like peels out and I thought he's going down, and then he just kept running and I could not believe that I didn't spine him. So that's how high this is, right, it's way up there in the shoulder blade takes off, goes out there. Long story short. A few minutes later he works into trees again and we lose him. He's got an arrow sticking out of him. It's not pretty. We take a dog in the next day. 00:52:52 Speaker 2: And to make a good point here, we were talking about this too, and it's not like it's one of our either one of her thoughts, like it was my dear your idea. But the thing to do, if you feel like you're gonna call a dog there's a chance at all, just back out and get away from anywhere the deer went. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: That way, the dog can do its job correctly, because. 00:53:15 Speaker 2: You don't want to be messing it up stomping or messing with the scent trail with your scent or whatever it may be. 00:53:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's what y'all did. Yeah, we call a dog and he wants to come out early. The next morning. We meet before it's even light and go stomping in there. Long story short, it's super thick. We worked for hours and walked a lot and I was beat and we did not find him. And the dog guy said because he was on the track. That dog was on the track pretty good until we got to the woods and then it was just like, I mean, we're finding blood, but the dog wasn't on the blood. And I think that the main thing was he said, you know that deer will he said. What he said was the deer if it's not you know, vilely hit, it'll kind of run out of adrenaline and then it won't have that scent that the dog can just go to it on. You know. So anyway, we lost the deer and there's a chance to deer it's still alive. Who knows, if you know what a good You know, bad things can happen right for long periods of time, but probably still alive right now. I don't know. I will say that when we looked at the footage, Michael killed it. This stuff happens really quick. But I'm gonna explain how what what I think went wrong. For one, my my bubble is no telling what's happened because I was leaning backwards. But uh, when I pulled forward and then shot, you can see where as I'm shooting, the deer actually stopped on the trail and smelled something which was not us. We didn't come in from that direction. And when he smelled whatever it was, it was very close to his feet, so he rocks backwards. And I mean, it's almost almost, very likely. And I assumed that when I pulled forward to the shoulder, he also rocked back as I was shooting, and then he also duck the arrow by about two inches, And all that together just made for a high and forward shot, which is not what you want with a mechanical for sure. And I should have probably just shot him back. But I thought I could just smoke him in it be done and watch him drop, you know, So I took a chance to squeeze in there. If I moved my pen three inches and he rocked back three inches, that's a six inch difference, you know. So you know, I probably could have shot him in the liver and we'd have found him the next morning. He might have lived eight or ten hours or I could have tried to shoot him where I thought was the most lethal and quick killing, which I did, so you know, I don't know. I'm very thankful. One thing that was in my mind that evening. This is something I always think about, like what I'm gonna say after I shoot a deer, because I don't want to be like certain people that're just say, oh, man, look at this deer. You know, it's awesome. You know, I want to I want to say something that actually has been on my heart or whatever. And at the end of First Corinthians call Paul quotes uh some old Testament where he says, let he who bos supposts to the Lord. And I was like, man, that's what I'm That's what I'll that's what I'll say at some point right after I shoot this deer. And it's it's interesting and humbling in a in a good way, and then also in a way that uh uh makes you feel like man, you know, like it's almost like, uh, the flesh is so strong and and this in sin is so intrinsic, almost in like humanity that even when we think, let's put some scripture out there, there are times when like you're also prideful in that, you know what I mean? That makes sense. So like even when you're like, man, this is I'm gonna do this and this and this, and my like my wife said, like, you know, man makes his plans, but the Lord establishes his steps, you know, or however that that verse goes. 00:57:11 Speaker 2: I don't know exactly. 00:57:11 Speaker 1: It's close to that, but it's like, man, even in that moment when I was I was thinking I was gonna say that. So so it really does it Like if I step back from even where I was at in that moment thinking I'm gonna say this when I shoot this deer and kill him. Now I look at it and I'm like, you know, it's the The scripture is still relevant, you know, because God is worthy of all honor and praise. And whether I kill that deer or not, I say it all the time like God will be glorified. Every every knee will bow, every tongue will confess, right, God will be glorified. And so for me in this moment is a huge lesson in humility and something that I'm sure that I needed, but I didn't want to go through. 00:57:56 Speaker 2: Man, haven't we been talking about that lately? 00:57:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, like, there's this thing where. 00:58:01 Speaker 2: You can try to be a tough guy. And it's good to aspire to be tough, depending on the context of the word, but that doesn't mean you want to do the stuff, you know. I look to the Book of Job a lot for inspiration in those instances, but I don't want to go through what Joe went through. No, it's not a thing you want to do. 00:58:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's not. The suffering is tough. Paul talks about how suffering this is in Romans belief, and he says it suffering leads to a long suffering or otherwise it's called endurance, right, and that endurance creates character or proof can be translated to proof as well, which is what I talked about several weeks ago. But essentially proof in the faith that you believed in the beginning of what you said you believed. It's integrity, it's character, and that all comes from not just suffering, but suffering with endurance. And that's what I'm trying to do right now. And I'm really bad about like just feeling like such an idiot, right especially when it's a seventeen yard shot, you know, it just makes the shot. I mean everybody makes it right. And at the end of the day, I talk to friends in the you know, dirty word here, but the hunting industry, I talked to them and they're like, I mean, they're like, oh, I lost to Elk last week, you know, and it's just so unfortunate you can't show any of that stuff because everybody just condemns, you know, and acts like that's never happened to anybody. And he's like, it happens to all the people, you know, and they just there's so many, so many different videographers or video you know, media hunting people out there that just don't ever show that. And we've showed some of it along the way, and we showed some empty and of the quiver, you know. And it's not fun for me to do something that's not that I don't do very well in a moment and show everybody in the world that, right, it's not fun, and it's really not fun when people get all upon your case about it. So you know, it's one of those things where we try to show it as often as possible. But you know, I want I want you guys here, you know, listen to podcasts and know kind of the things that happen, why they happened, what we tried to do about it, why it didn't work, and why maybe you can forego that in the future. So with that, man said, I just would encourage you again to know that I messed up a seventeen yard shot this year. If you mess one up, we're in the same boat, brother, You know what I mean. Uh, it just it's it happens to bow hunters sometimes. And don't think that everybody out there is killing. 01:00:31 Speaker 2: I messed up a twelve yard last year. Yeah, at twelve I had no idea what it was, but I know two years ago for sure I messed a twelve yards. It happens, man, I mean, I mean, dude, honestly, like twenty to twenty five is like really money, get closer to it. It's kind of hard. 01:00:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying to get too many excuses now I need it. 01:00:50 Speaker 2: But I do think that a point and important point to emphasize here is that it's not something you take lightly. I know, in fact, you take it harder than I do. I probably need to have a little more empathy for the animals to anthy for people. Yeah, try to need to call to uh, but uh. You y'all did everything you're supposed to do besides put it where you're supposed to do with the era. I mean, yeah, calling the dog, I thought. I was like, oh, they're gonna find because they're calling a dog doing this thing right and now, which makes me feel really good about the potential of this year being alive. And we have a camera over there. The wind kind of blew it over, so it's not pointing a great spot, but you still do have an opportunity to go back and kind of complete that story. 01:01:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it. You know, my son's playing football this year and stuff, and it's just it's hard to get out for the next few weeks. But I'm gonna do my best to get back up there at some point and try to try to put it eight year on the ground. And it would be really a cool story if I could know that that deer was okay and then make him not okay, you know what I mean? 01:02:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. 01:02:09 Speaker 2: Well, the the hit shouldn't affect his physical abilities too much. 01:02:17 Speaker 1: He looked pretty fine. It wasn't limping even, Yeah, so walking normal. 01:02:20 Speaker 2: It seems like I don't think I don't think you I don't think you're gonna end up shooting a weird deer, you know what I mean? 01:02:25 Speaker 1: If you find the dog was like, he probably have a sore shoulder, but there's a high chance he lives. 01:02:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you if you don't, then that's supposed to be too. 01:02:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:02:32 Speaker 2: Shooting of the deer, yeah, you know, well you need to eat deer. 01:02:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's been plenty of trips where I didn't shoot a deer. So you know, pay uh three four hundred bucks for a deer tag, don't shoot a deer. I mean it's like you bought a deer like and didn't take one out of the. 01:02:49 Speaker 2: Herd, you know what I mean. 01:02:50 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's probably pretty good for the whole deer economy. 01:02:54 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe they need to have less that way, he just makes people want to kill. 01:02:59 Speaker 1: Him more, maybe, you know, not being like kind of like opposite of inflation or something. 01:03:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Anyways, guys, remember nobody is perfect, not even Tyler Jones. He'll tell you if that's not. And uh, I appreciate your honesty and with how everything went, I know you guys had a hard time up there, but you had a fun time. 01:03:20 Speaker 1: It was fun, and I mean it took me a little bit to get over, but I I'm over it and we're focused here. Yep. 01:03:29 Speaker 2: Remember this is your element living