00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bitten in my case underwear listening to podcast, you can't predict anything. Okay, we're outside of Daniel, Wyoming. You know what we're talking about. Earlier, Um, I had looked at I was looking at this, uh, a gripping grin picture where a dude had shot a big orange sheet and it had collar, had a tracking collar on it, and I got to talking about how there's no way in hell I would shoot a big game animal they had a collar, because well I think about animals is their untouched nous, the idea they haven't been touched, right, they're wild? And that one to get one they had was wearing like a collar. I'd be like, oh yeah, but someone was messing with them, probably not far from here. Jana has pointed out, tell tell what you pointed out about ducks. I didn't point that out about ducks, but I thought you did the bands on ducks. Yeah, because cool for dudes to wear the necklace, right. Yeah. So that's Chris Gil. Uh you were born in Grand Rapids. Chris Gill, who's never joined us before. It was born in Grand Rapids, where I went to regular College where I went to the end of regular college. Where'd you go to college? Fair State University? Big rapids up there. We're talking about you know about chippa chipa hay Marsh. Yeah, oh really yeah. We used to catch muskrats and beaver and hay marsh. I see, I didn't like dinker northern pike in a canoe in hay Marsh, but I like the atmosphere better. We'd hit it on in the X through the ice and we looked for Morrell's up there and didn't find them. But I had this gal. I was kind of dating a little bit who was Bosnian, and we're out looking for Morrel's and she found a deer fahn. Really, I mean this thing looked like it had just fallen out of a dope. Slimy no but fresh son. You know, I was saying, man, there's no way in hell I'd ever shoot animal wearing a collar? Was he? Are you sure it was you? The point of this out? I think so, I said it as I'm not. You know, someone pointed out, well, why is it good or fun or cool to shoot to get a duck with a band. It's I can't explain it, just is. I would like a duck with a band that seems mysterious to me, not just that it invites mystery because you're gonna find out information about it and it's probably was banded hundreds if not, you know, potentially thousands of miles away. That's exciting. Elk or a deer wearing a big collar, I don't know, man, There's no way in the world I would shoot it because it just wouldn't feel like, well, it's not like the next time you go elk and you're gonna like throw the collar, you like, strap it on your backpack or put it on your neck, and it's that way when you run into somebothing like, oh dude, you got that one with the collar on it. I see. You can't leave it land because that's that's like oh, I know. But like the guys with your lanyards and the bands, everybody puts some other lanyards. It was kind of like a status thing, you know, like how many little duck bands you have on your lanyards. That's what I'm saying, because duck bands are cool. Tracking collars, I'm big game animals are uncool. Yeah, But like I would saying, I think it would be cool if say you did shoot at Colic or whatever, and you thought, oh, yeah, she must have just been trapped right here, or they dropped raft of helicopter right here, let her go. But then you found out that no, she was trapped from here, and you got all this interesting information from still wouldn't like I can't. I'm not acting like it's rational. I'm not acting like I can explain it clearly. I'm just saying when I see and I have seen a handful of in my life, and I'm sure you have to ex the thumb through hunting magazines where you see a fella could be a woman. I just don't think I have seen that a fella. You know, we're the thing wearing a big like those big white collars. My thing I always think is it's just I'm like, that's weird. Yeah, I don't like that, not now that I don't like it. For him, that's great, great, fantastic, But for me it kind of feels domesticated. I got a question for you. Does it relate in parallel? Just thinking about it to like you're in this beautiful mountain seen and you stand atop this rock and you're like, man, this is great. I'm probably the first guy here. And you look down there's like an old dr pepper can or something. So it's like you thought you were in this place of you know, of I don't know what to call you. So if you look down and found some old and I have some old asked cartridge where the brass is actually corroding, and you look and it's like a make that you've never even seen before, that's cool. If I look down and see a mountain dew can, that's not cool, but an old one. But does it it had to be some old ass mountain dew for me to think it was just don't know how long they've been making mountain dew? Does it speak to Initially you brought up that like an animal that's been you know, messed with, had been handled. It gets rid of that sense of like elusiveness. And it would be the same with finding that. Yeah, there's certain like, yeah, when you get an animal. I mean I had this conversation with someone recently. When you get an animal, you're taking possession of it. I pointed this out to another person who likes to hunt, in fact, is my brother. I point out, like, when you take an animal to take possession of it. I mean, legally it becomes your property. And he's like, yeah, just don't think about it that way. I don't think like, oh, no, it's mine. He goes, I I have access to it, but I don't think that I've taken possession of it. Doesn't feel like that to me, But in some way, um, yeah, I would feel that like a like a animal wearing a tracking collar with like a tag and its ear, I would feel like somehow, um, you know, it would be more like I got it at the yard sale. Then then then that it was like this thing that that are that he had lived this life and this was his collision with a human. Yeah, does any part of you think about like but maybe it doesn't, but affect like harvesting that animal. Does that affect the research that whatever agencies doing on that species? That I don't know, but I know that yes, yes, and no. I imagine sometimes they put the thing on there and it's you know, functions for a certain amount of time and the styles function. I remember one name. At one of the points when wolves were in fact delisted and they had some wolf seasons, they were asking people to not to try to avoid shooting collared wolves because they were getting a lot of valuable information off of collared wolves and it was actually helpful and and and figuring out predation, you know, elements of predation from livestock and other things. And there was like saying, like, don't get the ones with the collars. There might be cases where people want the collars back. And it's not like this is like something that happens. It was just a conversation. We had the second conference kind of I just add one collar story here. I want a collar story. I was passed on a cow with a collar on it, so you know what I'm talking about. Totally, she she totally got the free pass, but just happened to running the game. One who's been working this country for many, many years mentioned this to him, he says, and this is about two thousand and ten. He says, well, that's interesting because the last time we didn't callering on elk there it was all adult cows that we collared, and it was in the late eighties. Mm hmm. I was like, well that was awesome to hear because like you hear about cow's getting el getting old, but to hear about the cows like I mean, sure enough, she could have been migrating from some other coloring and study from way far away with that general area, you know, with those two kind of you know, piece facts put together, it was saying that that cow is, you know, twenty plus years old. There was a big collering study going on along a proposed highway route in Alaska where they're trying to punch They've been trying to punch in the road for a long time. There's a lot resistance to this road. But one thing they're doing is they're doing an e I S environmental impact statement, and so they had a bunch of different animals collared in the area. They're trying to figure out movement patterns and predict the way in which is rolled my impact animal migrations. They had a collard moose fall into a crevass and die. A Collard grizzly scavenged the collard moose's carcass fell in there with it and died, and it was later scavenged by a collard wolverine. Now that it's a bunch of collar and that's a collision of collars is what I would call that. The second thing we're talking about is uh is Yanni's teacher company. He's like trying, He's start thinking about doing like this retro this's like retro thing. Explain that he wants to make like old timey like when you were a kid. Just how old you your thirty six seven? I'm forty two, Gil, So you would not even remember these kind of hats. Yeah, like when I was ten and you went out to go sledding, you put on a certain type of hat and had a ball on top. Yeah, fit a certain way and it was designed a certain way. You don't wants to start making those that are like hunt to eat so you wear them. Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's like, um, it's like you know what should be called. It should be called like look at me instead of hunting. I don't think you should make a retro head. Well I don't understand why, just because I want to make it hats that that you can like wear a little bit of style out into the woods, so you don't have to be forced to like wear like the goofy orange stuff that is currently made out because it's the law to have the orange on. Yes, it's the law had the orange on, but it doesn't say that it also has to be goofy a hunter's orange. Yes, you know what I had, I liked. Well, I still don't like it, but that makes it different a little bit. I think you should make a hat. My grandpa Canny used to hunt, and he's like the only person my family used to hunt. And he used to wear like a big trucker hat that had flaps on the inside that would full down, but the whole thing was just like really padded and it was real old time he invented. It's like the whole hat was almost made up like a foam Yeah, yeah, there was foam on the inside everything. Grandpa Grandpa Kenny. Yeah, that name makes him sound like he had that hat, right, Yeah. Yeah, because if you were like my grandfather Theodore, my grandfather Parker, he didn't hunt ship sony. Oh yeah. Talking about your your invention there where you got going on the hunter's warrange hat. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a hunter's orange hat, and it just has a little more style than what's currently available. Are you to have it with that thing they do in those old hats where the design makes it look like it was cross stitched in No, No, I don't think so um, I could go full on like, what do they like the like the Alps kind of? Would you like that one with like the tassels? No, that's the Andy's not. Sorry, No, I don't like that because I look at that and I think that the when I see someone wearing one of those, I make I make an assumption that they're so left wing that I would have a hard time hanging out with them. It just seems like a vegany hat. In Andy's hat, our good friend Joe Rogan, I told him just that. I told him, you look like a radical. You look like the radical left when you're wearing that hat. You know, not that that's bad. I don't care. I got a lot, you know, kept his ears warm. It probably did. Uh. Yanni's Hunt Eat you guys came out with a commemorative you guys came out with a T shirt for b H Day, where um, you're giving proceeds the proceeds you're not even taking out the costs of you're taking out the cost of the shirt. Yes, so all the proceeds go to b h A. It's not like this one percent bullshit You're like from that one shirt. So Yanni just caught him a check for seven hundred bucks. You don't even selling them that long? Yep, well we should. We had a booth at the b h A rendezvous there um at the beginning of April, and um, so thanks for everybody that supported us. But yeah, like all the all the profits we've made, we ended up being basically a seven check to b h A. Now a lot of business fellas would I would think, like, man, I should have been selling the other shirts because then I would have kept all the money. Are you looking at games? Are you playing the long game thinking that this will in the end make you money? Are you playing the game of like I just want to support conservation, definitely, trying to be business smart and do the right thing. Yeah, northing I wanted to bring up, we just ate beaver. Damn that beaver is good. It was delicious. It's like it's really good. Yeah. Well a little more on that, no, because that's gonna lead into a whole earth thing. I was up in Northing. We just say I had some bear meat, um coastal a coastal black bear, and I made I had one last big chunk of my freezing right just and I did a wet Brian for four days, salt sugar water. It's very simple what I was trying to do. At the same time I was trying to I was spending. I was kind of like in charge of not I was largely in charge of my little kids for a couple of days, and that doesn't happen to be very often, all three of them. And so at the same time I'm trying to like really keep that whole thing moving along. Um, I was also trying to make a bear him. So I made a simple wet Brian salt of water, wet branded for four days. Put in my smoker a pellet, you know, a pellet grilled smoker, started smoking, the piss off. It ran out of the pellets. Put in my oven, kind of forgot about them. The oven came back, found it. It had gotten up to like a hundred and eighties some degrees inside, cooled it off, put in the zip lock, brought it down to whelming. And that's some of a bitch. Tastes like salmon, good smoked salmon, though it tastes like fish jerky. It's like those bears eat so much fish, it just is in them. Sometimes I don't mind it, but I'm sometimes like, what do you think of, Chris? You haven't eat a whole chip piled bear meat in your life, have you? Man? That might be the It might have been the first bear I had, I think, unless we had it on another trip. But I thought it's crazy. Tastes like, yeah, you eat it and you think you're eating salmon, but you know it's red meat. Yeah, it tastes like fish jerk tastes because it's like smoked salmon, but red meat. And I can't believe the brianing alone didn't. It's in there. It reminds me of something that happened another time. Coastal bear killed early June, and I can't let that. We thought about this earlier. We killed a coastal bear early June, and UH borrowed my neighbors smoker up in Alaska. Smoked bear him in there whole daymn like femur and everything, smoked bear him and his smoker, and we were eating it. And I went to him and said, man, you need to clean that smoker route because it's so caked up with smoked salmon, grease and whatnot. Did it molested that contaminated my bear? Him? He says, I've never smoked fish in that smoker, you don't know what you're talking about. And I now realized it was just that that fishy taste that the coastal bears get. And maybe it's just smoking. Because I the same bear that you smoked. I did at least two or three recipes with it. I wonder about that too, because I've eaten a whole bunch of it. We're eating it as meat, candy, pot rolls. I don't know, like smoking it enhances the fish flavor? Did you like Garrett made a breedo out of it? I really like that. I couldn't stop out. I was just thinking, could you smokes with beaver too? But do you think you get like the Omega three from the fish after this processed through the bear? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, No, that's a very good question, like if they would like to know. Yeah, I at one time we're down doing um. You know that those those species to flot they call him flying carpet, the the asiatic carp that I've gotten into the Mississippi and Ohio rivers um. It's like the big head carp the silver car which people call the flying carp Anyways, we're down bow fishing for these things, and there was just they're trying to figure out what to do all these damn carp and this guy had this thing set up where he was taking the fish and and like basically cooking them down, shredding him and kind of drying them through this weird process to make fish oil. And he gave me some of that to sip. But I was sipping that fish oil and it does It's like, that's very similar. So that is the taste, So it might Yeah, it's gotta be that. It might be that the fats that his fats have incorporated those kind of like the fish oils what we're tasting in that bear. Maybe yeah, maybe that's super good for you mane. So that's like a multivitamin almost. Be that's a good way looking at it. I'm gonna take that home and give it to my kids because they don't know that. They don't know that, like regular meat, red meat is not supposed to taste like fish. So since they don't know that, I bet I give it to him. I bet they'll walk around eating it and think that it's really good because they won't know what to think. It's weird, you know, When does that happen when you think it's weird? Because it wasn't weird to me, you know what I mean? You don't think it's weird that you're eating red meat that tasted like dead salmon. No, but I think maybe because you foreshadowed that it you know, could have that flavor. But oh, you know what I mean, you wouldn't have otherwise come up with it. Now, I may have thought it was odd if you hadn't been like, you know, this tastes very fishy, But it wasn't weird once I, you know, knew what to expect. The other thing we were eating is the beaver, Garrett, give me youright, Like, what's you take on the beaver? Had you eatn that growing up? No? I've never had, not that I knew of. You know, maybe my dad did the same thing. Maybe we ate it and I thought I was beef because it tasted very much like a you know, a big game or beef pot roast. So maybe, but no, it was really good. Yeah, I did. I love that beaver, Chris, incredible, incredible beaver. What about it? Like? Give me some more? I wasn't saying that Miss Gill wouldn't like it cut up, you'd have to trigger. You'd have to trigger because she doesn't like all the the graphic bones and on tendons and all that ship. So you gotta like shred it, pull off. You just gotta pull off the bone. But she doesn't need a lot of red meats. And then you gotta there's a whole thing you gotta trigger with for as part of this talk about what happened with your rabbit when you were cooking up rap? Oh? Yeah, So I didn't kill the rabbit, but I got a rabbit from our Kentucky trip and I took it home and I was like feeling all confident about cooking wild game. And the first step in this recipe that I found for brazing it was to brown it. And I like hadn't brown in any meat before. So I go to brown it and I don't do it long enough, which I've sensed today learned how to do it. Uh, and it just ends up kind of looking gray and then uh, I braised it and then it just got greyer. And then I pulled it out and it's like, you know, the back ham on it, it's just like a bone and really great meat. She just was not into it, and that she was already kind of like not into the idea of eating it, and then that just totally like pushed her over. Would she be into gray beaver? I have to cut it off. You'd have to. You'd have to really trigger. Man. Actually, you know what I think if you put barbecue sauce on it. We're both that way, like we'll put pretty much you anything barbecue on it. But yeah, you'd have to have a trigger. But you were digging it. I loved it. I thought it was great. It's like beef, like the consistency and like the texture was like a beef pot roast. But it tasted like it had like like a little twang in it, like a good twang laid up in Yeah. Yeah, So it was like a very intriguing taste. Yeah, what do you think about ni? Yeah, it's delicious. Every time I've cooked his up to that point, I think of massed it more because it was in a stew. I've done Kentucky burgoo a few times that had beaver in it. I had and sausages, but this is nice. We really got to, you know, taste it for what it is, and it was just you know, carrots, onions, potatoes, a little bit of red wine in there, and you just there's no way someone could call it out, I'm eating beaver. I was pointing out to the fellas here that during the colonial period in America, or in the colonial period in you know, the New World or North America, when the Spanish and French had a big early presence here, Um, they had okay, did that because the beaver has a scaly tail and lives in the water. They had said, you can use it as a fish substitute for your Lenten meals, which just strikes me as just so peculiar. But I think they had people here in a in a difficult situation where they just weren't it was hard to be observant if you didn't have access to fresh fish, you know, so you could be like in the desert southwest, right, you might not have access to fresh fish, but you yet canyon bottoms full of beavers, and they're like, you know, feel better about yourself. Eats and beaver. Where we're at right now is how many miles six seven miles I think seven from the confluence of the Green River and Horace Creek, and it's the site of the it's one of the mountain man rendezvous sites, so of I can't remember. There was a dozen rendezvous fifteen rendezvous. Six of them were at this place where we're at. So we're trapping beaver. It turns out to be we're trapped a beaver within eyesight of the mountain man rendezvous place. And the favorite mountain man food, A favorite mountain man food was be ever tail. Um. Anyone who reads about mountain men and reads that, and you see it around and and we used to debate what it meant, like what exactly meant and how you cooked a tail. And I was up in your old stomping grounds, Big Rappids. I used to go up to Big Rappids. My brother was he He went to four colleges by the time he finished regular college and went to two more for other later degrees, but one of them was Big Rappids. And I would go up there in December and January and we would trap beaver through the ice and we add I left the beaver laying around somewhere at his place, and they were a drinking beer and got to talk about this whole beaver tail thing, and cut the tail off beavern just stuck in the oven for a while, pulled it out of the oven, messed around it, and they're like, I just don't get what this is all about. I don't see that it's edible. I don't understand what it means. And then we honestly had a said when they said that. The when they said that the Mountain men like to eat beaver tail, were like, it must mean they like to beat beaver hams or beaver thighs. So we started stuffing those down into a crock pot and cooking them and it was surprisingly good. Then I later learned that it is the tail, but you gotta get like a beaver in the fall and he's got a big thick tail, and you stick his tail next to a fire, and the skin on that tail bubbles off and you can scrape it away, and underneath there is is what I can the best way to describe it would be like grizzle on a steak, just white, fatty grizzle. And it's hard to picture it being good unless you think about what it would be. If you're just we're not getting any oils or fats in your diet, like you're eating lean asked me all the time, and you're not putting olive oil on everything and putting butter on everything. You get where you just want that oil. Similar to the Eskimos in their seal Yeah yeah we're out on new Yeah, we're on now Nevac And they were saying that which is the island out in the Baring Sea? And we were with some what what what's there? Yeah, chupicks chupick, eskimo And someone's gonna call in and be like, oh, no, it's not eskimo. That's a negative word. I asked the dudes, what should I call you? Do? I call you and ask Himo and he's like, what in the hell else would you call me? Didn't? Yeah, in my whole life, I'm like the Eskimo, like Eskimo hunters to be like, oh, it's a derogatory term. Don't say that. It's like, well, apparently someone hasn't told this guy because this guy I said, like, you sure it's not into it and he has like Nope, more eskimos chupicka. Anyhow, they were saying you can starve to death on tom cod and people have, but if you dip in oil, steal oil, you're fine, stay alive. That's interest with the oil there, because didn't they wait till all the oil was out of their salmon to smoke him. But that was because it was because it would drive faster. That was Yeah, that was some other issue where Yeah, that was a weird I think we ever talked about this. So they you know, usually when you target fish, like when you when you're targeting salmon, um, the best quality of salmon is ever gonna be in like his highest quality. He'll be in his before he goes up a stream to spawn, so he's at his most fit state, the highest fat content state, because once he enters the river and starts going up the river, he's not gonna be eating and he's gonna you know, deplete. And a really long river like the Yukon and these other rivers where the fish is gonna travel hundreds and hundreds of miles, they're particularly fatty when they go up and so those are great fish at the mouth, real fatty. So generally that's what people want. But yeah, these dudes are telling us that they don't fish chum salmon until the chums go up and spawn out and kind of start dying and drifting back down river and then they like to catch them because they drive better in their climate because they don't smoke. They just hang it to dry, and they have in a cold ass wet ass place, and the oily fish never drives right. It's an interesting trade off though, when you're obviously lacking those calories that you're just total around a bottle of seal oil, buckets of it and they just drink it or they dip dip stuff in it. We went out with him and caught tom cod through the ice and they had taken just shaved like the whole damn fish. You know, it's frozen because like the many catches frozen rocks. They take it in the house frozen and just slice little like sushi slices off of the tom cod. And then you take the toime cod still frozen, and it looks like it's about the size of I mean, it's like what are those little square and like those wheat then I don't know, like a cat like a piece of wheat thin fish. And then they dredge it and that oil and it's a peppery oil, man, like a very peppery They spice it or just that's all you do. I mean, they were saying that the kids have gotten into soy sauce, but they wasn't their scene. The older people don't like it that way, but they salted or anything, just nothing man, and they're protective of it. We're trying to get off the island with some seal oil. We're like, well, come on, reach out, ask some friends please we left. I think a lot of that might have to do with them being leary about the Marine Mammal Protection Act, like their exempt from Marine Mammal Protection Act, and there's probably a lot like you know, um, you know, there's a lot of restrictions on who takes you know, like white guys are you know, general euro Americans can't hunt marine mammals. They can hunt marine mammals as indigenous people. So that the I what I took away from that is there might be like a leer nous to be taking by products from marine mammals and doing something that might be construed as bartering with them or you know, putting them into other people's hands, perhaps with those seal hats that they were trying to sell us. Following to that, that's a good point because they would try to sell seal hats. Yeah, what the hell? Yeah, I don't know, I don't understand it. Yeah, that's not definitely not it because you could leave with a seal hat. A matter of fact, we got off the plane there and there's a dude leaving with the seal, the white guy leaving with a steal hat. I don't know, expensive seal hat too. Oh well, what's better beaver hat or seal hat? Like, just because we've been talking a lot about I like to be a beaver hats better seal has pretty has a flashy hat, yeah, depending, I think what was the ones that we would look that buying were like a spotted seal maybe, and so it was it was literally like this bleach blonde with black spots. It's very flashy. It's like a look at me kind of had Yeah, the locals had, I think harbor seal, ring ring seal. So it's kind of like it's almost like more like like the beaver's like a brown undertone with like a kind of like a just a light highlight to the tips of the hairs. Way more low key, you know. That's the one we were kind of trying to search out, but didn't happen for us. Yeah, it's hard, like they can pull it off. The Eskimos can pull it off, but I don't. I don't know if he made it up, but Ronnie Beam always said to me when I worked from when I was younger. He said, uh, never wear a hat that has more personality than you do. And there's another thing saying like, never wear a hat that says hello before you do. And I feel like I can have on a beaver and muskrat hat that I caught my own, Like if I'm gonna wear fur, it's gonna because I caught it, right, I'm not gonna go buy for from some other dudes. Like I'm not gonna buy meat from some other guy and bring it back home. So I feel like I can have on a fur hat that I caught the fur and I can feel like I'm not the hat's not saying hi before me, you know. Yeah. But to have that kind of white seal hat with the black spots on it, that's some bitches saying high from waiting. Yeah, you can't shout it enough because those be like, oh it's a seal hat. They're gonna be like what the world's that had? Yeah, But about the mountain man. So here's what a mountain me was. Now you got like I probably love do you guys, are you guys clear before we had this conversation, are you guys clearing what a mountain man was? Well, I didn't realize it was an era of specific Yeah, it's not some jackass on TV. It's not some ja casked on like a reality TV show who pretends to be doing like mountain manny ship. There's no more mountain men as a thing now. When people who don't know what the mountain man was talking about montam and they think it's like a hermit in a cabin, But in fact, mountain man. We're the most well traveled, widely traveled individuals of their era. A mountain man. Let me just lay out, A mountain man was first the mountain man era. Okay, we but we did the louis there, the US made the Louisiana purchase and we bought the western US. Okay, under the Jefferson presidency. Eighteen o four to eighteen o six was the Lewis and Clark expedition. They went out. They had a handful of man dates about some various routs they might find to get across the country opening up trade things. There was some talk that they might find Willie Mammoth's and that was of interest to Jefferson. UM. But one of the main things was for fur trade, established connections for the fur trade, suss out what's going on with fur trade opportunities out west. One of the guys with him was a dude named John Coulter. He was a hunter for them. They didn't even get back, so they're going eight four eighteen o six. They didn't even make it back to St. Louis, and John Coulter ran into some other mugs going back up the Missouri as the Lewis and Clark exhibitions coming down the Missouri, and John Coulter was excused from the expedition and went out went back up river to trap beaver. Historians kind of regarded that as the beginning of the Mountain Man era. Eighteen o six, the Mountain Man era kind of came into full bloom where there was a very organized trade of beaver pelts kind of came into full bloom in the early eighteen twenties. UM. That was like the hey day in the Mountain Man era, and the whole thing petered out eighteen forty. At that point, a couple of things are going on. Historian is gonna argue about it, but a couple things are going on. One, beavers have been really whacked back hard, really trapped out, so it was becoming not quite worth the chase. To give an idea how good the chase was at a time, there's a story about a group of mountain men like they would call himself a brigade of mountain and there twenty of them that the winner of twenty four trapped the Bitter Root Mountains. There was twenty guys. They had two hundreds some traps and they pulled five thousand beaver, which was an absolute fortune. Um, that's the heyday. There's another guy who was working a loan trapper, a lone mountain man work in the San Francisco River, Arizona, and he caught five d some beaver in a in a winner. That's a fortune. By eight forty, b were petering out and the price was plummeting because what they were using the beaver for a they're making wolf felt to make felt hats. Silk had become fashionable and so the demand for bea repels had collapsed and that was the end of the mountain man era. You had two kinds of mountain men. He had company trappers who were based like contract trappers, and he had free trappers. And people generally regard free trappers as being the cool ones. They went out on their owner with a partner, trapped sold their beaver to the highest bidder at a thing called the rendezvous. And there were you were just researching this, Joannie, there were so rendezvos. Would be dealers would come out from the east and truck out all kinds of guns and axes and kettles and buttons and needles and saws and axes and butcher knives and calico and uh flint's lead powder, all kinds of ship that a person would need. They would truck it out from the eastern wagons. You don't have. The very first one they didn't truck out a single drop of alcohol, was that they're afraid of people gett too drunk. No. I think it was just a straight up mistake, and they have been a bummer around because picture Okay, So, so when the rondevoue happens, the dude trucks out all the equipment and they meet it just in a high they just meet in a mountain valley somewhere. They meet in the summertime. They meet up in a high place, so there's plenty of feed for horses because hundreds of people are going to turn up there. They would be an established period of time all these trappers who have been working the Rockies east of the Rockies, the main stem, main spine of the Rockies west of the Rockies, everyone would convene at this pre selected location to trade in their beaver for goods and money, mostly goods. Then they would fan back out the trafficking. For a lot of these guys, trappers especially, that was the only like human interaction you had outside of the group of guys you trapped with. And they would party their asses off, and we're at doing some doing a little beaver trapping at the main rendezvous site, which was called what Daniel they call it, but what did the mountain men call it? Horse Creek or they call it mm hmmm. Because they would winter the mountain would winter in Jackson Hole. They oftentimes winter in places they had a little bit of inversion type quality, like low valleys that stayed kind of nice. But they would meet here and I don't know what they called this particularly rendezvous site. Cash Valley, Utah was a rendezvous site. Um, maybe just Upper Green River. Upper Green. They had more rendezvous here than anywhere else, and the last rendezvous was here. So that's what a mountain man is. Now. If you did the composite drawing of your average mountain man, he was a dude. He was like a guy who grew up on a farm in you know, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia. Grew up on a farm. We had a lot of wander lust and heard about fortunes and adventure to be had, and made his way out into the wildest place imaginable at the time, having no real idea what he was getting into, and came out with a very high likelihood of having a violent death at the hands of Native Americans who did not take kindly to this imposition on their hunting lands. Many, many, many mountain men were killed by Indians. A handful were killed by grizzlies, some were killed by each other, some were just killed. No one really knows. You know, the Laramie Range here in Wyoming. Larry was a mountain man. He hadn't even been out one year, got killed. Some Indians killed him, cut a hole through the ice and the beaver pond, stuff his body down in there. His buddies didn't find him. Then he wound up with a town, a mountain range, and the river named after me. He had just shown up in town. Everything he got around here named Bridger. Wasn't he wasn't. He didn't have any big discoveries. Jim Bridger probably the most famous mountain man. Um Bridger Pass, Bridger Bowl, Bridger Canyon, Bridger Creek, Bridger Montana, Bridger Mountains, Bridger School, Coulter. For a while, Yellowstone was called Coulter's Hell. Now it's Yellowstone. Um. Hugh Glass just had a damn movie made about him. There was like, you know, it was some there were some swash some swashbuckling mugs and they did some extraordinary feats. There's some of the coolest people. I mean, they were the you know, the first guys that do everything, the first guys to go everywhere out of want and to trap beaver. And now you get like people like, oh, I wanna be like a mountain man, and they think that they're gonna like that. You'd live in a cabin and be Hermidy. I'm like, no, if you wanted to be a mountain main, here's what you would do. It's like people like be like, oh, I would have been a mountain man had I been alive then, But okay, you're alive now, so let's find your equivalent. Your equivalent would be that you're gonna go down to Brazil and travel up the Amazon River for several months until you are eventually kind of like walking off into the jungle. That's the equivalent. Or that you would go to this might be a better equivalent. You would go to Afghanistan. You'd go to the Afghanistan Pakistan border, not speaking the language, and go wander around up there hunting. That's a mountain man move. That's the equivalent. It's not you have a little cabin and you you know, make your own bunk bedding. It's just like read books on winter. Do you know what I'm saying. It's like they were the most well traveled. If you look at a map, but where Jedediah Smith? Where Jed Smith? Where all he went? So he first guy to cross He's the first guy to reach the Pacific through by by crossing the Mojave Desert. Gets over there, gets imprisoned. No, gets over there with a bunch of guys. They trap a whole ton of beaver in California Sacramento Valley, get raided by Indians, kill a bunch of jet Smith's guys, steal all of his beaver. Pelts goes in, gets held prisoner by the Spanish. The Spanish send some guys out to try to recoup some of his beaver. Pelts gets those, doesn't get to bring him home, gets sent back over the rock Key Mountains, winds up getting killed by some command She had a water hole. Oh mauled by a grizzly So his buddy sold his scout back on and he always wore his hair long, so he's embarrassed about the scar. On there zigzagging back and forth across the country, going places no one's ever been before, wanderlust and openness to other cultures, because a lot of these guys would go and wind up taking Indian wives, joining Indian tribes, learning new languages. And now we have this idea that mountain men are like these, like xenophobic agoraphobes who you know, don't travel around and experience new ship. Do you know what I'm saying that tough dudes, man, tough dudes wanderlust because it's yeah, it seems like almost the beaver were the vehicle for the exploration, Like the exploration was the priority. Oh yeah, and that they could make money was like think, it's hard to say, but I don't think anyone's like, you know, I've run all the numbers in the best way for me to get rid to go out and get my head caught off by some you know, by some black feet. So it was convenient for a wanderlust type of spirit too, that beaver was a high demandic moodity exploration. Yes, if you want to go on let's let's say you want to go on a like a doll sheet hunt. You know, you like the idea of the doll sheet because of where he is in large measure, like if he was somewhere else, he wouldn't be as interesting where he is. What would be what would be the vehicle that would take you into unknown places in afghanis Stan, in Pakistan? That's a good question. Would it be like just just just winging it? Like would it be like the mercenaries? I mean, even though there's a political and a management yeah, so it pays. I heard it pays well. Yeah, and it gets me to this place that you know, Yeah, you're drawn. That's a good point. You're drawn. Yeah, there's the idea, there's the outward justification. Oh yes, you could get very wealthy, just like a lot of guys who are contractors and you know, mersaries out of word. Yeah, I mean it's definitely the right word that they don't know one refers to themselves as a mercenary. But sure the contractors that go do work there. Yeah, it pays really well. There's also a really good chance you want to be with your head cut off, but you're drawn to it. Yeah, you see some stuff you want to see otherwise. But that's always kind of burned my ass about the way people use the term mountain man and it's not like what a mountain man was. I'm getting to something about that about them eating the beavers. They are good campers, yeah, unbelievable campers. When I think about the when I think about the feats of the mountain men, or like even Daniel Boone who was sort of like a precursor of the mountain and like Daniel Boone went over the Cumberland gap, like through a pass in the mountains, went down in the Kentucky territory, was going on a two year hunting trip, most of it by himself going along. He was making his own gunpowder out of back gwando that he found in caves. And you think about I can't even imagine sleeping and cane breaks, trying to walk across down trees and not leave tracks because he knew that the you know that he was very likely to get killed as a trespasser. And you think all that, and you like he did it without a flashlight, Like when it got dark it was dark in the mountain. Man, all that crazy ship they did and everybody trying to kill him and getting killed by like no flashlights. I can get like, yeah, they didn't mock And it was like, okay, I understand that. It's the lack of a flashlight that blows my mind that you can never be like what was that in line out? Yeah, be like what was that? I don't know, just we're never gonna find out. It was ten ft away, but I can't look over there. Oh my god, that must have been nerve wracking paranoia. You're saying that earlier, right, like they just must have existed in like such a state of paranoia all the time. Yeah, and Garrett you at that point PTSD like, yeah, that was good, Like Garrett, because get onto the A think the way to wrap all that in is how we guys talking about the PTS did the Mountain man. It is because you were saying, how when it was all said and done, if they if they had a couple of good years and they were smart, they just go back to Virginia by themselves a farm, live fat, right. Yeah. The richest man it was talking about John Jacob Asters like Astor plays in New York. The richest man in America, and some people argue the richest man in the world at that time was the guy who got involved in the beaver trade. He went out, spend some time out, figured out that got involved with the fur company, figured out that there was a thousand, one thou percent mark up on beaver I had sold in Europe. Got to thinking that that's where the money might be. Became the richest man in America off beaver pelts. I think he also reversed that mark up to the goods that came from East to the rendezvous. I think that was a similar markup. Yeah, I've I've read that that the that what they were paying for a hatchet and stuff was absurd, shrewd business man. Anyways, after five or ten years of sleeping in willow thickets on floating mats of grass, then when you're hanging out this farming in Virginia, man, you just don't fit in anymore. Maybe no, I think so. In uh, yeah, so Garrett brought his idea of PTSD. We're talking about what happened to John Coulter. So Coulters, he was part of the Lewis and Clark expedition, was the first guy to pass the Yelstone Park. What I keep saying, the first guy to do this, and that I'm taking a very like euro Centric approach. I'm talking about like my euro Mayan ancestors or that that aspect of my culture. Surely Native American's pasted the Eulsto National Park, but the first euro American to do it was John Culture. They called the Culture's Hell. There's also another thing that Coulter's name is attached to, which is Culture's Run. Coulter and another guy were trapping beaver near three Forks, Montana, and they got caught by the black feet, and black feet filled his body full of holes, chopped them all up, uh, cut his guts out, cut his balls off, smeared his guts and balls on. Coulter um got it and got them all red with blood, and then gave him a running head start, and then they all chased after him to go catch him and kill him. And Coulter's version of it was, he was running so hard that he ruptured a blood vessel in his nose and pretty soon had like prodigious amounts of blood coming out of his nose. He was running so hard, and he could hear a guy right behind him, and when he spun around, his sight like the sight of him with so much blood and he's already a mess and blood just gushing from his nose, the sight of him like startled the guy so bad that he was able to kill that guy, overcome him and kill him. And then he ran. And legend has it he hit up in a beaver lodge, winning a beaver lodge entrance of an old lodge, and got up under there and hit and they looked for him and look for him and look for him, never found him. That's Coulter's run and then there he is no gear, no clothes, no gear, and crawled his way back to help. I told that story, and Garrett brought up like this idea of PTSD, like how could you live through something like that? And they had no terminology for it, but how could you live through something like that? And then you're supposed to go back east and like go to the PTA meeting to be a gentleman Mary, And that got us talking about A. B. Guthrie's fantastic mountain man book, The Big Sky which is where when people call Montana Big Sky Country, it's Abe Guth's book, The Big s Guy. It's a very well researched the fictional tale of a mountain man. And he has that he comes out west and lives his life, and he goes back and he absolutely does not fit in and winds up getting himself into tons of trouble. And it's like that he's like he's a this amazing hero here, but he goes back and he's a damaged man. He's damaged back East, just so used to a different culture, in different way of being. How long did he live? Which guy? Uh? Well, I guess I want to know about both culture and the guy in the story, oh, the guy in the story. It winds up being that he there's another book where he becomes a guide. Because a lot of the mountain and became guides. So right when the mountain man era ended, the Oregon Trail was getting going, a lot of those guys they knew all those passes and all those routes, and they knew a lot of the language. Is a knew what was a good idea and what was a shitty idea, and uh, they became guides. Bridgert became a guide. Many of them became guides. Some went back to farm, some became guides, some became businessmen, some became ranchers, some went into the like the Organs of lamb At Valley and you know, started orchards, a variety of things. But um, the guiding and like the frontier guide and to be like a frontiersman was something that came out of Kick Carson had been a mountain man. Wild Bill Cody had been a hide hunter, you know, but not a mounta man, but a hide hunter. Um, so yeah, you got into other lines of work. Bridger did some actual guiding, recreational recreational big game hunter, from Germany who came out and made a mess. Right last name of Gore. He actually wore his welcome out. He came out and just killed hundreds of everything. He was like a dude named a beautiful mountain range after him in Colorado, didn't He was like a dude going to Africa times like about a thousand when he came to the Great Plains. The de terminology come from his like you know, Gorri or Gore. I definitely don't think so it was that proceded to him. Yeah, I definitely don't think that was it. It's kind of ironic though, so doing all this and uh, let up to I was having some beaver meat tonight, and beaver meat is like I feel like, I feel like if if if someone worked at it, I think that someone could promote it and popularize it, you know, because it's a completely like right now, fur prices are low, so the value you know, they used to sell beavers for wolf felt nice of beavers for fur garments. Beaver prices are like they're not They're they're essentially valueless right now, like the cost of fuel and the cost of equipment. You could never recover it no matter how many beavers you caught because it takes time to skim them and flash them and dry them, which is like they're they're there's not worth the pursuit. But that's a good question though. Is so it's legal to barter and sell the for a fur bear, would it be legal to do that with its meat that I don't know. I'm saying this because I'm so far beyond the statute of limitations. But when I was young, when I was in high school and college, I would sell beaver and muskrat meat to sled doggers. I doubt that I was breaking a law. It wasn't for human consumption, um, but I would sell the meat to sled doggers. I would They would give me like this guy would give me five from from five to seven for a beaver carcass, and like two dollars maybe one or two dollars for a muskrat carcass after I took the hide, so I'll get the hide, so the hide for you know, five dollars, six dollars, four dollars, and then turned around, I could sell the carcasses to the sled dog racers and they would grind him out, give him the dogs. And this guy insisted on a race he fed beaver meat to his dogs. On a race, he said they raced better on beaver than anything else. He'd give them a lot of horse and stuff. Other times lame horses, he'd he'd butchered the horse, boned it all out, boil it up and feed that. But on when on a race beaver meat, he said, they just tore it up on beaver. What was I getting ante before that? So? Maybe how long Coulture lived? Did you answer that? No? I did that. But some about eating beef on a popular make it popular? Oh yeah, I feel like someone could promote it and keep promoting the idea of a very underutilized resource. That if you live in a good beaver area and you get yourself a fur howe verse to the licenses a license, you could fill your freezer with beaver meat and eat beaver and live off beaver meat in your family not have to buy commercially produce meat, eat beaver meat, and then get everyone you know a sweet beaver hat and beaver mittens, and that could be like your deal. You know, people be like, oh yeah, he's a big white tailed guy. He's a big turkey guy. Like he's a big beaver guy and just be your deals trapping beaver. Why is it that it's not like that. I don't understand why, and like people like before this trip, I was like, yeah, who the hell is beaver? And I feel a lot of people feel that way, like produced be so common to think about what else saying about the Catholic Church. Yeah, it's so weird that this thing they try to do that with the nutrient, try to get it to catch on. One of the reasons might be that beaver has, for legal purpose, has been regarded as a fur bearer. So if you're a guy with a small game license out hunting, you're not allowed to shoot a beaver because like animals have legal method to take. The legal method on take is it's like listen, as a fur bear, you have to be a licensed fur harvester, then you have to follow the legal method to take and usually you gotta catch it the trap. Well, unt, you said, Canada, right, they can. Here's a lot. There's many places. There's many places and many people that are allowed to shoot. But in lower forty eight, I don't know. Well, it's funny because like Colorado and they're kind of like bullshitty wisdom banned trapping. They didn't want fur trapping, so they banned fur trapping. But anyone who's got a damage complaint, So they used to have regulations about how to take animals. Now anyone who gets a damage complaint and they hand them out like candy can kill beavers anyway he wants to kill him. So now anyone wants to get rid of beavers, Yeah, you can get if your buddy goes and files for the damage complaint thing in Colorado, you can go out and hunt beavers of the twenty two what a blown up dynamite. So it's like they gave up sort of a regulated pursuit in favor of mayhem in the name of being humane. Well, what about What I was curious about is like it is beaver more common as a food in Canada because it's more accessible. So many of that native cultures like there's this, there's this, Uh Richard k Nelson. There's an anthropologist named Richard K. Nelson. He wrote up great book called Make Prayers to the Raven about the about the Koyakuk Koyekon people on the Koyakuk River. Yeah, man, big thing for them was to beaver. That's some interesting theories too. They didn't think that you should. You know, everyone now, I guess it's been a long time. How long has it been that everyone's been like really thirsty. That everybody always talks about being the hydrated and everything. There wasn't like a thing when when we were kids, no one was the hydrated. We were kids, I didn't start drinking water. Two my dad got kidney stones. This way off topic. But when he got the stones past kidney stones, and it was somewhat caused by dehydration at a very young age, he was like drinking water. But before that he didn't drink water. That was a singular event. My father did not need to drink water when he got a headache. He didn't go like, oh I must be dehydrated. It was like they were just fine. I mean, he fought his way across Europe during World War Two, and then all of a sudden everybody got de hydrated. Do you know George Carlin talks about this. He's like, when did everybody gets so da him thirsty? They all carried canteens, you know, But it wasn't like now now there's like there's this thing where everyone blames everything on dehydration. That look, yeah, it was not that. It was not water. Right now, I got rumming if I'm drinking water, So yeah, what was I getting at about this? They're at some point it was about that book in Canada. It's such a hard time track him out, and thought, oh that they had the coy Kan warn people don't drink too much water, especially if you're a hunter, because water only goes downhill, and a water logged log does not float well. Therefore, don't be eaten, don't be drinking water. It's an interesting parallels there. They were worried about people drinking too much water. That did not do you good. You're not gonna go up a hill fast if you drink a lot of water, that ship goes downhill. And they had another thing. They're like, no man would shoot a bear that's not in its den. It's you're a pussy if you do that. A real man goes down in the den and kills the barrier while it's sleeping. Yeah, that's you hook a rope to it or a cable to it and drag it out with a snow machine and then kill it. Because anyone, any chicken chick and kill a bear out walking around? What's this tribes there? That's that's interest the coykon. So Richard K. Nelson spent a lot of time with them, I think, I think starting the sixties, but definitely the seventies, spent a lot of time in them, and then wrote about their relationships to food and relationships and different animals and their feelings about different animals, what animals they felt were smart, and what ones were good to eat, what ones are bad eat, Like a very elaborate taboo system. I think you know this one. I talked about a bunch of times where I think that we only use we use the word taboo as a in somewhat derogatory way. We have about like other cultures that we think less of us are like, oh yeah, they have all these taboos. We're full of taboo. We don't use that term. We're like we have ethics or you know, we have taboos. We have a taboo system, like, for instance, we have a taboo against eating dog. No one articulates it that way, but we have a dog taboo. We have a house cat eating taboo. To an outside perspective, they'd be like those people have a bunch of taboos. They won't eat dog because more people in this world live in a country where it's comedy eat dogs and don't. So somehow in our taboo system that we've established, uh, we have got an the idea that you don't eat beavers north America's biggest roting. I feel like it is an idea about squirrels too. I was you took the thought out of my head. People are like, oh, squirrels are dirty. What do you want to eat those for? It? Really eat those? They're good, man, It tastes good. I wasn't shot. I don't even want to promote it anymore because I love my quiet squirrel woods. I love eat my squirrels. Like I'm over promoting it. I did my two years of promoting it. I'm gonna shut my trap and just take. And you just found the s. Yeah, it's just found what no one listened. If you took you could take Kevin Murphy and tell Kevin Murphy, you draw me out the primo squirrel locations of this country. And this is a man who has devoted his life to the squirrel. He wouldn't know to even go near this spot with a pen if he if you said Shaden the primest squirrel country in the world, he wouldn't. He wouldn't come within a hundred miles of its greasy squirrels. To Yanni has discovered giants and he's kind of like we shared. We texted the picture to Kevin Murphy and you don't get it a lot because that dude spends some time outside and he's getting after it and he has nobody to be jealous of. But he replied with I am very jealous. He called male squirrels bucks, you'll you'll get one of like it was a buck or what was he called female? Not a dough bucks and sows? Maybe? Yeah, I think so, yeah, I know, I think it's born South born. So yeah, what was amazing about that scroll hunting day? And I told you I think I called you from the location and we had hit that spot at daylight like a good scroll hunter would, did a big loop, spent an hour and there are three of us, did not see a squirrel, saw some sign. Come back at like eleven o'clock in the morning, do the same loop and we almost killed twenty Yeah, what's up with that? No, I would say what they're feeding on? But I feel like it would be risky because you give up the spot. Yeah, because if you described where they're nesting and what they're feeding on in a very astute listener Kevin Murphy, Yeah, okay, And I remember when he saw that picture, he was already getting in there trying to talk about he had noticed some background evidence and was trying to do us a little bit about what was going on there. I remember he had some comments about a type of tree in the background. This has nothing to do. I'll sew this out there because it's gonna throw people off. I just met a dude in Kansas who they hunt squirrels out of uh pecan orchards. That's gotta be a good eating squirrel. Yeah, he said. Sometimes it's just ridiculous with them. And he said permissions aren't any problem because people gotta they didn't want to lose their crop. I think he was calling him peacns. I grew up Pecanca pecan. I think it's like a Mason Dixon line thing. Garrett. What's your concluding thought or thoughts, man, I don't care. Well. It would be similar to the squirrel with the beef, with the beaver and all these farmers and ranchers are you know, they're a nuisense. They're paying people to get rid of beaver. So get paid. Eat it when you're done, make a belt buckle out of the tail. That's my concluding thought. Yeah, Gareth oldman has a beaver belt buckles for like twenty years or thirty years or something. Beaver tail belt buckle. He told me about that when you're old man told me about I mean he still wears it. I got like a image of it. It's just like the tail, you know, stitched onto a metal belt buckle, just like you would leather. Yeah. I like that man, that nice scaly black tip. No, I'm gonna I'm gonna my concluding thoughts gonna be a thing about that. It's a parable um my brother, he I think we were both. My brother was living in Bozeman. I was there for a while, kind of living with him and helping him with his with his work. And he had this friend who had gone to Hawaii years before, had gone to Hawaiian a vacation, and while in Hawaii bought himself a and eel skin wallet, so a wallet made out of eel skin. That wallet served him nicely for seven years He later had occasion to go back to Hawaii. He calculated out how many years he figured he had left on Earth, divided that by seven, and bought that many of those eelskin wallets. My god, so he set. You know what, that's my concluding thought. I might make beaver tail wallet two. Well, I'm not kind of years. You know, how old are you? How many you're not that? Yeah, you might make two and a half to get you through the rest of your life. I'm halfway done being alive. No, yeah, yeah, forty two, I'm halfway done. And squirrel and stuff you go ninety five? Yeah, maybe, but no, it's like it's like, really, something I think a lot about is being halfway done being alive. Chris concluding thoughts. How oh, man, I got a couple? No, do you have all you want? Man? I don't care. My biggest one is brown your meat before he roasted that way, your meat didn't turn out gray and grows. What's your next one? You got me? I'm I'm hooked now, man. I want to hear more. Rat. I thoroughly enjoy eating rodents, and I didn't think I would, but I really like it. Keep them calming, Uh, don't give Garrett sugar before Ben. Oh yeah, Garrett uh gets night something called night terrors where you'd be sleeping in a tent. You tell them, might be sleeping in a tent down to Mexico, way way up in the mountains where you don't where nothing really makes that much sense, and you go days out seeing someone. When you do, it's like a dude riding way far away on the burrow and you don't quite know what he's up to. He's got like a sack and a machetty. And then in this atmosphere, Derek or Garrett has night terrors in which he starts, oh my god, Sugar, Sugar is the catalyst for those nights. I like it, man, I think it's enjoyable. And he figured out what it like. The safety is to get him out, to get to come back to no. I just yelled his name. And then sometimes like he woke up in the middle of one, right, and you're like kind of there and like you almost hallucinated. Remember talking in his night tear, was that an avalanche was sweeping through the tent. Yeah, yeah, sugar man, Yes, don't give this guy at ding Dong when you're out camping. Oh man, I don't just all the interesting things I learned. I've got limited experience trapping captain beavers. We didn't learn any technical skills. I mean I was doing a pretty piss poord job. Yeah, but I learned how hard it was because we had like basically twenty sets for a beaver, which is not does not a mountain man make. But up until now I've been you know, around it. Like he said, it's like, oh someone set too caught one set one caught one um, and you can just see how you could get into it. Just so much to learn and think about and strategize and well, oh yeah. My concluding thought was gonna be that the anticipation of, you know, going to bed and when you have sets out is equal to like you'd like, you know, you're gonna go big game hunt in the morning. It's exciting, man. Alright. So Daniel from uh from nearby, Daniel Wyoming, Eat beaver, Eat more beaver. Thanks for tuning in.