00:00:11 Speaker 1: We don't know if they've never seen a human, but there's definitely plenty of caribou out here in this landscape that haven't seen humans. It's kind of what makes caribou hunting fun, right, is that like you get to hunt unpressured animals. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: There's no Wait till buck ever that would do this. 00:00:30 Speaker 1: You know, there's probably not an elk in the lower forty eight that would do this either. 00:01:00 Speaker 2: I haven't even seen that clip yet. That was beautiful or trailer or whatever that was. All right, Welcome to the twelve and twenty six podcast. This is a companion show to our twelve and twenty six Hunting Fish films coming out this year. Hopefully you've already seen My Manitoba Bear Hunt and Clay and Bear's Alaskan Bear Hunt and Utah mountainon Utah Mountain Lion with Clay where they treat a bunch of mountain lions. Today, I'm joined by Corey Culkins Calkins, I always forget when I read it, I know it's Caulkins and Fill the Engineer to answer your questions about my combined rifle and archery caribou Hunt. Thank you to everyone who wrote in or posted questions on YouTube and social media to give us something to work off. Here the great current Schneider is also in the house. She says she's gonna not say anything. We'll see what happens. Karinn. You need to weigh in. If there's something that really is pressing. You have a question about something, Well, now there's no avoiding it. Phil, I sent you a message late last night to have a question too, so that you're more of a part of it. Oh, that was very kind of you, But you have a chance. I didn't have a chance to watch it at ten o'clock PM, and then you didn't get up it fo to watch it. Yeah, I have a gun, all right, Right off the bat, I want to clarify something that Steve has been giving me shit about. Not just me, it gives the whole world shit about this. I told him I was taking my boat and my rifle on this trip, and he assumed I'd be bowl hunting while carrying my rifle as a backup in case I couldn't get the job done with my archery equipment. Not the case. My plan was always to rifle hunt, first, get some meat hanging, and then focus on killing one with the boat that way, you know, you did what I wouldn't have that, you know, hanging in it in the back of my mind as I'm trying to bowhunt, being like, oh, I should just like quit this and get my rifle out and shoot one of these things at two hundred yards. I brought up with Steve yesterday in the regular podcast, and even even though I explained to him my new thinking, it still wasn't enough for him. Although I don't think he actually in the moment yesterday he like thought through what I presented to him. But we'll give him. We'll give him a while, maybe he'll come around to it. Uh. Yeah. So anyway, I was in Manitoba with some Mong Yang of Somemung Outdoors and Craig McCarthy of North Mountain Adventures and we had a great time. 00:03:40 Speaker 3: Well, the video clip we opened up with there, and if you're only listening, go to your YouTube channel and watch this podcast. It gives us a minor glimpse of how wild and pristine that part of the world looked. You also described how the area is largely untouched by people. How did this factor of virgin caribou set the grounds for the kind of hunt you'd have. 00:04:06 Speaker 2: I don't know if I exactly understand your question there, Corey. I did want to touch on though, in that opening bit, how we're talking about how like a white tail deer would never do this, or an elk bull elk would never do this. What had happened is that we were like this was after some long had shot his bowl with the or shot that bowl with the arrow, and then like we're standing around, you know, doing our thing, and then literally like half an hour later, a more caribou just across the pond like just start walking and feeding by, and they're like looking over at us, like they can see us. We're not hiding, but they're just like going about their business, you know, acting pretty tame. Yeah, totally, we're just like unpressured animals. I later found out well while we were there that there this place isn't quite as unpressured maybe as some of the places that we've hunted in Alaska. That Alaska is a little bit more remote because I think there's more mountains that are harder to get across with different you know whatever types of you know, vehicles. So we've always done fly in hunts and it's just like it's rough enough country where you can't snowmobile into it, you can't whatever. In Manitoba and Northern Manitoba, the locals, the indigenous have like special tags right that they can hunt these caribou herds pretty much all winter from I understood, So once the snow comes, like they hunt them on snowmobile. So they're definitely a little more pressured. What we realized too with these caribou, we were hunting them mostly on foot. One time we got in a boat and when they hear an engine on a lake, they're out really Oh yeah, they know what that means. They like hear that little skiff engine coming and they know that there's hunters coming that are probably gonna make loud noises. 00:05:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, reminds them of that snowmobile engine too. 00:05:58 Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, But like think about it, that's how you access this Caribou country. You land on a lake, you drive around a boat on a lake. And for a lot of people that don't have the physical capability just to hike, you know, ten miles a day on tundra, like, the way to get close to Cariboo is going to be to see one that's like getting pinched by a lake somehow, and then you know, motorboat over there, pop out of the boat and then hopefully get a shot. Cool. But yeah, I wanted to do this hunt because when we were down there for our a year ago. When I was down there black bear hunting, Craig was talking about possibly getting into caribou hunting and he had this camp that he wanted to check out he had never been to, and he's looking for like a group of guys that was sort of do an exploratory trip. And as soon as I heard exploratory trip, I'm like, man, I'm all over that. Like that sounds like a good time going into the unknown. Yeah, you know, I mean stuff's always unknown for me going to there someplace the first time. But when everybody there is on kind of the never seen this place with four program, it just makes it more fun. 00:07:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, more wild, more adventure. That's cool. 00:07:05 Speaker 2: Well. 00:07:06 Speaker 3: Our first submitted question comes from at hunter shut. He asked, did you see any bears and where there's supposed to be any in the area. He gave it a Google search and learned that that far north in Manitoba has polar black and grizzly bears. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: Totally. 00:07:22 Speaker 3: Did you see any bear? 00:07:22 Speaker 2: We didn't see a single bear, but the pilots that we talked to were like, oh yeah, sometimes we just instead of going straight down to Churchill, we'll fly over to the coast of Hudson Bay and then fly south and it adds like, you know, thirty minutes to the fly or whatever. And they're like, it's nothing to see, you know, two three half dozen polar bears walking around. Wow, So like we're far enough away from the water that we're probably not going to see a polar bear. But had we seen one, no one's gonna be like, oh my god, that's amazing. They'd be like, sure they come through there. Yeah, so yeah, they're around when we put I posted a video on my Instagram of when we closed up that shack. You literally cover the place and boards that have nails screwed or hammered all the way through them. Like you basically just take a piece of plywood, fill it full of nails or sticking out the far side, and then put it on the windows on the deck like anywhere bear could try to like pry something to get through, Like you literally cover it in in you know, you fortify it's good to make it into a fortress. And a lot of people commented, like, all you guys are just leaving too much food in there. The stink of you know, food, It's like you're in there, living in there, You're you're cooking in there. You can't get rid of that smell. I don't care if you had a whole fifty five gallon drum of bacon soda, it's not going to get rid of all the human smell. Yeah, And bears are curious. They're gonna want to get in there. When you're in that kind of remote place, The same thing happens in all remote places where bears are like, you have to protect your old things because they will just shraddle, you know, and they'll get inside and then just make a giant mess. 00:09:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, beyond just the smell of food and caribou meat and blood, that they're just curious. They'd love to get into stuff. 00:09:11 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think that's the Yeah. I mean that's just a super small fact factor of like why they're getting in there would be like the dead meat smell around there. Yep. 00:09:21 Speaker 3: All right, next topic, a lot of folks asked about how to plan their own caribou hunt. If you need to apply for tags as a non Canadian, do you need to use a guide or an outfitter, et cetera. I won't read the individual questions, but can you address the tag system for Cariboo in Canada and can you do it yourself or do you need a guide as a non resident? 00:09:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've only hunted, trying to think now hunted BC and I personally haven't hunted. It was when Steve hunted and Cal hunted and I was just there as part of the crew, and then I'm hunted Manitoba twice now. And I believe that across Canada there is no d option like you're gonna as a non resident. For residents, sure have at it, but as a non resident, you're gonna have to go through an outfitter. And basically the outfitters have like these zones concessions they call them, and there are allotted so many tags in their concession and then they can do what they want with them and sell them to whoever. There is a limit though, like for let's just say Craig had I don't know fifty Caribou tags for that concession up there, even though he has fifty. If it's just you and I for the entire season, and we paid him as much money as he needed to be happy. You and I couldn't each kill twenty five. We're still limited by the government to two. Gotcha, Craig, this year is charging Sorry, if you're gonna book, it'd be next year. So it's gonna be fourteen thousand dollars for one caribou and twenty five hundred dollars if you want to shoot a second one. I honestly don't think it worked out good for us, because we again wanted to get some meat and then we wanted to have fun bow hunting. But like, I really don't feel like you need to go on this trip thinking you need to kill two animals. I think caribou hunting is kind of sometimes had that I don't know, just like you know you're gonna hopefully go see a bunch of animals, and like you hate to like kill one the first day and then you don't have anything else to hunt for the rest of the time you're there. But like, honestly, now that I've done it, a bunch like one tag is plenty. Really it's like if you yeah, sure, if you are trigger happy, you're just gonna have to really control yourself or have a good wing man that can be like, no, it's not the one you want to shoot, Corey. There's a bigger ones out there. Let's wait, you know. But anyways, uh yeah, so if you're gonna do it in Canada, you're gonna have to go through an outfitter find them. These pricers are definitely still well, it's cheaper for a guided hunt. I still I think in Canada then in uh Alaska for a guided caribou hunt. But in Alaska you can still do d I Y because cariboo is one of the species that in Alaska you don't have to have a guide for. And so you know, I'm guessing if you just go with a transporter, you know, you can probably still do a caribou hunt for five to eight d I Y style, you know, counting everything. Obviously, you'd have to buy a tag in Alaska. But if you're gonna do Canada, like you just got a book with the outfitter, he's gonna there, he or she they're gonna have the tags for you covered. 00:12:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, make a more streamline more enjoyable too. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: Going with an outfitter, well, I mean, it just depends on what you want to do. Yeah, you know, I think for there are a lot of us that like the reason I did that with Craig is because one you had to but like it's sounded like a good sounded like an adventure, you know. Had he been like, oh, yeah, I also have this caribou hunt that I've been doing for ten years. We go to this lake You're gonna catch up on of fish, and it kind of told me what's going to happen. Maybe I wouldn't be so interested, you know, true, But I think a lot of people like the you know, the possibility of going on to diy adventure because it just does add adventure. You know, you don't know the outcome where when you go outfitted. I don't want to say you're guaranteed, but you know. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, get to look at a brochure and see the terrain and potentially the animals yep, both sides less unknown. 00:13:26 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:13:29 Speaker 3: It was interesting watching you guys spot caribou, which didn't seem too difficult to find caribou nope. 00:13:35 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:13:35 Speaker 3: Then to watch you guys strategize how to stalk and close the distance in that terrain in the tundra and decide when and if it was worth pursuing those cariboos you saw. Uh, here's a clip from Phil There's some caribou right. 00:13:49 Speaker 4: Over there, right to the left of that. 00:13:52 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I see it. 00:13:52 Speaker 5: There's a whole hurd. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: On two three, four, five six seven. 00:14:00 Speaker 6: Man, that's the longest it's ever taken me to spot an animal. 00:14:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you can see we're looking at carib in the distance. You can every direction we look or the camera looks, you can see there's water around, and so you can you can never really walk in a straight line to the animals that you're seeing. And I think this is this is just what we were calling day zero is. I'd say, let's go, but I mean we had to like swim a couple of lakes to get to them. Yeah, well, I think we can go right through the middle here to get around it. But don't you think, I mean that's like an hour? Yeah, I think right, probably, we hadn't. Well, we're still watching crack and I are debating how far we want to walk here. Does this one keep going for a while? That's over all? Right? So, yeah, like there are tons of comes in many different forms. This one didn't have the dreaded tussocks that can be so just tiring that the spongy bottom. No, it's the tussic is the best way I heard someone describe it. It's like taking a like a three quarters inflated volleyball, tethering it to the ground, and you grow some grass on top of it, and they're just perfectly spaced where like you can never decide if you're going to step on top of it and possibly have it move a little bit or step between them, and it's just it just wears your butt out. Like we once we're on a hunt with Steve and Brent and we were going to another We're just going to another glass and knob that was in the distance, just because we want to see some new country. And we got halfway there on the tussocks when the whole crew was like mutin need, we just quit. We said we're going back to our original one because no one wanted just to do tussics for the next hour or whatever it was. 00:15:56 Speaker 3: You know, And what boots are you wearing? 00:15:58 Speaker 2: Are you in like muck boots most of the time, Well, it just depends on how wet it is. I brought both on this trip. It looked like, yeah, but I ended up wearing the hiking boots more because again, this stuff, when we first were looking at it, I thought, Man, it's gonna take a long time to cover the country. It didn't end up being quite so bad, So we actually ended up some of that stuff that originally we thought might be too far for, like, you know, a poke didn't end up being that bad. But we were easily going like two miles one direction. Like for a stalk, it's tricky. It's also pretty flat out there, and so you're always just trying to find some sort of terrain undulation, you know, to get between you and the animals to you know, to hija so you can close a distance. 00:16:48 Speaker 3: And you mentioned all the water. You guys had a boat, but the water was probably not all connected exactly. I had to pick a route around it. 00:16:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Now, the one I ended up killing with my boat, that one, it was close enough to our lake that it made sense to get in the boat motor up to the end of the lake and then get out and stock from there. 00:17:07 Speaker 3: Nice make for an easier pack out too. Oh yeah, here's more of that strategizing on the spot and stalk from Simong's rifle hunt. It also seems like you guys really have been seeing tons of caribou at this point. 00:17:22 Speaker 2: The caribou race is on. Maybe if we get along that shoreline, we'll get some cover. 00:17:38 Speaker 3: So this is still day zero you're calling it, right, Yeah, day zero. 00:17:46 Speaker 2: I saw another one that was still quite a way. And what happens often with caribou is that like from the knob you're sitting on it, first, you can't see them all. You think you can, but the little folds increases just hide animals, and so you start moving towards one group and then like a different group pops up, which is what these are. So we're like, you know, just running into other caribou and. 00:18:12 Speaker 1: They're youngsters and they're very curious. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, these younger animals that haven't been on the landscape as long, they maybe haven't seen people. And so a lot of times when they see you, especially when you just duck down and kind of get lull, they're like, oh, what's that actually come towards you. Yeah, they're coming this way. Yeah, whenever you I think we can cover off on some of the gear questions to uh, A bunch of people actively asked about the binoculars I was using, the sig Zulu six. Is the image stabilized, which for hunts like these, these fourth from the front, when you don't need to know exactly, like you're not counting inches. You just need to know if it's like a bowl or a cow, or if it's a caribou or a rock. It's hard to be hard to beat those. 00:19:12 Speaker 3: Now, how close were you guys able to get on Smong's caribou? 00:19:14 Speaker 2: Man, It's it wasn't far. A couple hundred yards beautiful. Yeah, I remember I kept he was dialing, he was using my rifle, and I kept having to retoel in the distance and he kept having to back it down. The bipod a lot of people asked about too. That's the MDT triple pull, which is it's kind of a mega bipod. You've used one too, I'm sure. 00:19:39 Speaker 3: I've shot off one. 00:19:40 Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. It's great for what I would consider like front country or country where I really know that there's not going to be anybody to get prone because the brush is going to be tooth thick and tall, you know, and there's not going to be other things to lay on to just give you the you know, a prone position or anything else to rest on, and like Tundra's classic, like just brush country, right, And so having a super tall bipod like that it allows you to you know, shoot from anywhere and you're getting a really stable position. You know, you can shoot from your knees, you can shoot from your butt, I mean, and obviously if you want, you can get low enough to shoot prone too with that bipod. But it's heavy, and I'm not going to carry in a backpack overnight. But like with my kids on a front country hunt, I'm always carrying that thing. Yeah. 00:20:33 Speaker 3: Good stability. 00:20:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, as you can see there too. Some monk's first caribou meant a lot to him. I was happy for him, and I was excited about him cooking a meal for us. In all the years of meat Eater shows and books, we never cooked stomach or tripe, and we finally did it in Manitoba and it was great. Here's another clip oh. 00:20:56 Speaker 6: With that though, yes, I do need to keep the stomach, so gut the malu you would, But once you get the stomach out, oh man. 00:21:05 Speaker 2: He's going next level. 00:21:06 Speaker 3: Craig is like, wait, what stomach? 00:21:08 Speaker 6: You said? 00:21:08 Speaker 2: Traditional so I'm like, that's the most somong hadn't told us what he was gonna make. 00:21:13 Speaker 3: Okay, surprise generic. 00:21:14 Speaker 6: Then you might think it's a stew, but when it comes to this stuff, it's their stew. 00:21:20 Speaker 3: But you just throw the stomach. 00:21:21 Speaker 6: Lying into it. Try I'll clean the stomach, and we just only eat the stomach. We're not gonna eat the stomach contents. Normally, if you want to, like you would pack the stomach, you packed liver, you would take this basically take this whole thing. Yeah, you would just obviously dump the contents. Now, normally i would try to keep the stomachs organized. I'm assuming a car is like a deer where they have four stuff. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: If you're just listening, some's over the gut pile explaining this to Craig four different starts. 00:21:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you really want to be technical about it, you you separate all four stomachs to me, a stomach of the stomach, I don't really care. 00:21:55 Speaker 3: And they taste the same, I don't know a difference. 00:21:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, So with this one, because I'm only take just a little bit just for us to eat, I'm basically just gonna start here, just somewhere here so that I don't take anything else. Then I'm just gonna take a little bit of a lining. So this one's already coming off pretty easy. I use a completely different knife for this situation, which is why I'm using mind and I'm not letting you use yours. 00:22:17 Speaker 3: So basically this is it. 00:22:18 Speaker 6: You would take the stomach, and I've never done with caribou, so I'm actually curious to see how this goes. Now, you would just take this and just wipe off as much as you can. But you can see how this caribou stomach is really really soft. I just did that and it comes off with a deer. Now it's a little bit more hearty. Yeah, So clean this out, rinse it out, and then when you boil it, you boil it by itself, just pure water, and this top membrane right here will just peel off, and then you have the white actual like stripe in the bottom right. And then once you'll clean at wash it again. 00:22:49 Speaker 3: Then you can just. 00:22:49 Speaker 2: Throw in your soup. 00:22:50 Speaker 3: Throw it in your soup, Throw in your soup. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: That's it. Some mongs now rinsing the uh stomach lining in the lake, and then he just dropped it into a pot of boiling water. Now he's prepping some vegetables for the actual soup. 00:23:17 Speaker 3: And did I hear he rinses and repeats numerous Yeah. 00:23:21 Speaker 2: With the boiling part, you uh you kind yeah, you kind of you're boiling the the green kind of out of it and then replacing, replacing the water and going again. Quiet process. I don't think it really took that long. No, Okay, looks like it looks different, but honestly, it's it's like flavorless all. It is like a it's just a texture. This is like a weird you know texture. It looks just like moral mushrooms. Yeah, definitely does have a morel mushroom look to it. 00:23:56 Speaker 6: So do I rice it with the tripe or just try everything in one bite? 00:24:04 Speaker 2: I'm a fan. It's good. Yeah. It just tastes like the It tastes like the bone broth. It's just a texture, really. 00:24:13 Speaker 3: That's what it is. I mean, it literally is just broth. 00:24:17 Speaker 6: It's just a lot of times the flavor will favor whatever meat you're thrown in there. That's what we call it. Deer stew elks do whatever it is, because that usually drives the actual flavor of the broth meat. It's hard to come by it in laos way back then and even today. Sure, And so if you kill an animal when you're trying to feed a village or in this case, your seven kids, which was very common to have multiple kids back then, one piece of steak isn't going to. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Feed a whole village or a whole family. 00:24:43 Speaker 6: So the best way to distribute the amount of quantity of the food that you might have is just stew. 00:24:49 Speaker 2: Okay. A couple questions came in around the flavor of cariboo, Like somebody asked if it tasted Manitoba caribou tastes different than the lasting cariboo. I don't think so. They all eat liking so they taste the same as far as I know, I don't have that. I guess discerning or a high level palette. Cabu meat is extremely lean, and everybody's like, oh, well, deer's lean. This is even leaner, like they'll say out there. To survive the winner, you can't just have caribou meat. You have to have the salmon to have the fat, you'll die. So yeah, super lean. I don't know, very very venison, Like, I don't know if it has. If there was a lineup of you know, elk, deer and caribou backstraps, I don't know if I could really pick them out this on flavor. I'd pick them out more on chewiness, because I always think the elk are more chewy than the other ones. Clarification too, some long said four stomachs. The stomach actually has once with four sacks in it, you know, like four compartments that sort of do the business of of what's the word, caren digestion thanks, like all ruminants. Yeah, and Corey asks, how was the tongue? No boil? It was great? Yeah, look good, just like Randy Brown said. So we had him on, which I think are some great episodes, although I feel like Steve missed a whole bunch of questions when we had him back. I wish I had been in there for that about living in the bush in Alaska. Great episodes. But he told us that like caribou tongue was a real delicacy and like you could eat it immediately, like no slow and low prep needed for it. And so we gave it a shot, like just washed it, basically sliced it up. I don't know half inch. I maybe could have done the slices a little bit thinner, but again I didn't mind it. And then we just fried him up in a pan with some It was good. 00:27:01 Speaker 3: Did you peel? 00:27:02 Speaker 2: No, there's no peeling. Okay, ate it all up. It just wasn't like it must have something to do with their diet, right that they're just eating the liking and they don't have to. They're not like browsing as much as moose or or elk. I guess yeah, or elk don't really browse with deer, and maybe that's why it makes it the whole thing more tender. But no, it was good. I would do the same thing again. 00:27:26 Speaker 3: Well, good work, tongue to stomach, eat it all. 00:27:30 Speaker 2: Why not. 00:27:32 Speaker 3: Let's see, We're gonna show some of the footage from Yanni's rifle stock. It almost looks too easy real quick, though, someone wants to know what about your rifle rifle and the caliber setup that you guys were using. 00:27:44 Speaker 2: That was the sig Cross. It had a proof barrel on it, which is kind of custom. I got it done super short. I think it's like an eighteen inch er because I like to run the suppressor on it. And we can't. We couldn't use suppressors in Canada, so I'll just have the break on it. But the caliber was six point five PRC. And yeah, it was great for this. You know. I was expecting a longer shot, but I ended up getting a shot so close I was wishing I had my bow with me at the moment. Yeah. 00:28:17 Speaker 3: Well, let's see that clip, Phil. 00:28:19 Speaker 6: They're they're walking literally towards us. 00:28:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we're packing out some Mung's bowl on our backs right now, going back towards camp, and all of a sudden, these bulls just show up and they're like, we got the wind in our face and they're coming at us. And I was kind of almost like, eh, let's just like let him be. Let's go back to camp and we'll, you know, deal with some mongs meet and we'll reassess. And then I started looking at the bulls. I'm like, oh, A couple of them are pretty nice, you know. And then I thought, yeah, if I get one killed now, I'll get more time with my bow. So yeah, we got in ahead of them. And it's funny too, man, Like these guys are seem just oblivious to us. Again, it's not just the three of us. There's two camera guys there too, and we're not like super well hit and we kind of get into this like sparse cops of evergreens and there's some bushes around. But like compared to some of the other caribou that we ran into later in the week that would like, you know, at two hundred yards see us and be boogeying, these guys just were like no care in the world, like not. 00:29:32 Speaker 3: Walking towards you. 00:29:33 Speaker 4: Not. 00:29:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the whole time, I'm wishing. I'm like, I wish I had my bow, wish I had. 00:29:37 Speaker 3: My boat because how close is this all? 00:29:40 Speaker 2: Like right now, they're maybe eighty ninety and like I think, I find I shoot him at like I shoot him at bow range. I forget what it was. It was like forty yards or something that's increasing, maybe fifty yards, and you can see I shoot a hard, hard horned one, so long shot one that has still had his velvet on his antlers, and part of that group of bulls also still had velvet antlers. Are you kidding? The uh the velvet? Some people just get a real kick out of velvet antlers. For whatever reason. I don't find them sexy appealing at all. We've all the caribou hunts I've ever been on, if they had velvet on them, we would peel it. It's hard to preserve it in the field. Like if you want it, you know, for your mount at home, you got to like take real good care of it. And if it's early in the haunt, it's going to be warm, the flies get to it and they start laying eggs in it. You end up with maggots in the velvet and it can just be a mess. And it looked like you were late enough in to hear what were you there in August? I think it was September. 00:30:50 Speaker 3: September that they were about to lose their velvet. Anyway, obviously that one you shot at our. 00:30:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean both both the ones I shot were hard horned, so yeah, they were just like they were in the process. 00:31:00 Speaker 3: Bound to come off soon. 00:31:01 Speaker 2: Anyway. I think the bigger ones had maybe do it a little bit earlier, because it seemed like the smaller, younger bulls had more of velvet. 00:31:08 Speaker 3: So well, you mentioned in that clip that that was a first for you to shoot an animal while packing out another one. 00:31:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you ever done that? Twice? Oh? 00:31:19 Speaker 3: Annealo punting. Oh, I could see and was had it on my backpack and was walking out and I had a dough tag with me and shot a dough really close to the truck, which was great opening day, you know, they're all running around like crazy. And then another time was just on a cow hunt on a ranch I used to work at. Shot the cow was actually just dragging it down to the truck, and more elk came over and a buddy was able to fill his elk tag, so so it wasn't quite packing it out but dragging it out. Yeah, it happens. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: Totally rare though. Yeah, yeah, pretty cool. We again, I'm not going to like try to uh, you know, hide it. Like we have five people there, and so if it's only two of you, you might be like, let's not shoot one because we still got to deal with this first animal. Yeah, and then I'm gonna have to you know, pack the other one out. But with five people, it's like pretty easy to you know, to pack out two cariboo. They're not giant, huge animals. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like how how heavy was all the meat and the antlers. 00:32:17 Speaker 2: Just it's i think very similar to a mule deer yeah, like a mature mule deer, like you know, you know, ten to twenty percent bigger than a white tailed buck. They're just it's I don't know what it is about a cariboo, but even when you're glassing them and you've seen them on the hoof, they look huge. And I don't know if it's like the like the crazy coloration of them compared to like our deer, or if it's their Their antlers are obviously a lot bigger, but when you kill one, you walk up to it, it's a little bit like, oh, yeah, they're not that big, you know. Oh, I don't know. 00:32:51 Speaker 3: Where are we at here on this script? 00:32:53 Speaker 2: Uh, let's see called velvet Life on the Island. Drive said, I wanted to know, first sighting in the wild, do they look bigger or smaller than you expected. It's kind of what I was just talking about. It's like when you see them, they look huge, and you walk up to them when they're dead and they're not quite as big. I mean, the antlers are big, but the body itself, like I said, is not. It's like maybe calf elk, you know, yeah, like you're gonna probably yield. I don't know, fifty sixty pounds seventy max off a big old giant bowl. 00:33:32 Speaker 3: And you talked about velvet. Mitchell Horner asked, how come the velvet was cleaned off when back at camp? Did you guys clean it off that camp or out in the field. 00:33:41 Speaker 2: Just stripping camp? 00:33:42 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:33:43 Speaker 2: Yeah the next day. Yeah, it comes off super easy. 00:33:46 Speaker 3: Really yeah, feels off. 00:33:48 Speaker 2: And the thing is, that's why I don't like shooting them in velvet, because if you're gonna peel it off, it doesn't have that cool coloration that a hard antlerred one does. 00:33:55 Speaker 3: Is it real bleach white under. 00:33:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like it's like bloody and bleach, you know, and you kind of you want to make it look brown. You got to kind of do it yourself, and it never looks quite right. And so I must prefer one that's you know, rubbed his blood with, you know, the stains of bushes and dirt and all that, and just, I don't know, looks way cooler. 00:34:20 Speaker 3: Let's see. Moving on, Graham Underscore, McCutcheon asks if you can explain how to properly age a cariboo and how old were the cariboo you and Somemong harvested. 00:34:29 Speaker 2: No idea. I guess you'd had to send a on the hoof aging them. No idea you could send a jaw bone in I'm sure to some biologists in Canada and they tell you how old it is. But some mongs is definitely on the younger side. You know, I'd probably guess it was no more than you know, two or three years old, and I don't know, just guess in mind, might have been a couple of years older than that. 00:34:56 Speaker 3: I noticed in the video that mostly bowls that were it made the film. Did you see many cows and calves wandering around too? 00:35:03 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know they aren't as sexy, so the editor no, it doesn't want doesn't put them in as much. 00:35:10 Speaker 3: Cinematographers that did a beautiful job out there with you. Okay, so you both killed caribou with your rifle. Then you turn your focus to hunting with a bow. You got your legs under you with more lay of the land, and how the caribou around there were behaving. But now you have a harder hunt in front of you in terms of getting within bow range and trying to find enough cover in that open country. Play the clip pill. 00:35:34 Speaker 4: We have this group of bulls that we're betted, but as we got closer, they all started getting up and feeding around. We don't have a lot of cover, so we decided to get into this band of trey that kind of goes right directly towards them. 00:35:47 Speaker 5: But that's probably about one hundred to one hundred fifty yards to where the caribou are. They're not really in a spot where we can make any media play on them, so kind of just going with what they're giving up. 00:36:00 Speaker 2: Y yep, not a lot of cover. You know, I've learned with any of these animals, when you're bowl hunting and you're just trying to get in tight or you're shotgun hunting a turkey or whatever, you just like patience pace so well because eventually, like if you're looking at a situation and it's not in your favor, don't push it. You just it's just sure you might pull it off, but hopefully you have time and you can just be patient and let the animal move into a position that's way more favorable for you to you know, get in get in tight on. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, odds of letting nature do its thing in the animal potentially getting close to you or probably higher than you, pushing it, bumping the animals. Oh, you never see again. 00:36:56 Speaker 2: Just like stay in the vicinity, you know, shadow them, watch and then next thing you know, there's just like the perfect little hill and all you can see is the top of his antlers, and you know, you just literally walk right over to the hill and at the end you gotta crawl maybe ten or twenty yards and you're within range as opposed to just trying to belly crawl across some one hundred yard open expanse. It's just like probably not gonna work. 00:37:21 Speaker 3: You know, take it away, yanni. 00:37:27 Speaker 2: Oh, what's our next one? 00:37:31 Speaker 3: Run into the caribou much closer than you thought. Oh, you had to back up to make sure bulls wouldn't see or smell you. Yeah, and then Somemong dove in for his opportunity. 00:37:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. Again with caribou, man, you just can't You never know which direction they're going. You think they're all kind of moving south, and then they're all kind of moving north south, and they're just all over the place, and so you're just kind of in the zone until it just like works out. And some was up first and so he kind of was ahead of us, and we actually ended up like mirroring him and then kind of coming back together right when he was actually getting into it. And what happened is that these bulls sort of fed and got pushed up against this lake and I don't and one was betted when we finally got to him. So I don't know if they were there because the lake had maybe reprieved from the mosquitoes because it was like a little wind blown across it. Hard to say. Maybe they're just there to get some water. But that edge, you know, and having some woods nearby, allowed Semong to get within bowl range pretty easily. Cool. 00:38:38 Speaker 3: Well, here's a clip of Simong's archery stock. 00:38:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, the mungs. 00:38:58 Speaker 3: Hats off to maxim Eli. That's a nice shot in that beautiful I mean, the foliage helps, but man, he just nailed it. 00:39:06 Speaker 2: Someone just drew on his knees and he stands up. He's got the perfect cover. The both bulls have their heads down. He takes a shot, I think he said it was forty to forty five, runs right at him, runs at him, and then into this shallow lake and then out the other side. 00:39:24 Speaker 3: Just did a big loop, blood pouring down the side at least it looks it swimming through the water. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: Yeap. 00:39:37 Speaker 3: He gets out and looks pretty unscathed at that point other than the hole in the. 00:39:43 Speaker 2: Side of his totally Yeah. Then he's running. Yeah, this is uh. You know, we can talk a lot about about what happens here. You know, so long the sides. 00:40:03 Speaker 5: That is not look good. 00:40:06 Speaker 2: It's like a bunch of blood. But especially when you see that shot right there, you're like, oh my god, his side is both sides are literally painted. I think a lot of that the reason that it got so painted. The water helped with that, right It sort of lubricated the fur, lubricated the side. Like I don't know what it would have looked like had that not happened, but I don't think it quite would have been that dramatic. But it's very clear to see anybody that's you know, hunted long enough and shot animals bows or rifles like, knows that that shot there it does not kill animals. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: I call it the nozone. 00:40:41 Speaker 2: The nozone. Yeah. I often used to think. I thought for a long time that it was actually this thing called the void, where like you're between the spide and the spine and the lungs, which is not a thing. I now believe it's not a thing. The body does not work that way. There is no room in there. But what there is above the spine is a whole bunch of a thing called the backstrap and the loin and meat and fat and fur. And I think a lot of people that think they hit the void actually probably ran it through, you know, the hump on the backstrap. And so yeah, some munk chooses because he drew blood to basically not his tag. Craig tells him that yeah, that's actually it wasn't Craig's rule. But a lot of outfitters in mont in my Manitoba, and I think a lot of outfitters in general will have that rule that like if you draw blood, that's you know, your tag, your hunts over. 00:41:37 Speaker 3: It really makes you think about your shot just a little more. 00:41:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully, I mean I think that would be the goal that, like, you know, make sure you're going to get it done when you take the shop. But a couple of things to address, I think in the YouTube comments, and I feel like this it gets a little arm cherry here with the with these comments that people are like telling telling you what you should have done after and like I said, like the shot itself, that one in particular did not kill that animal. Like I'm one hundred percent sure of it. Those animals will take wounds like that from the times of other animals. You know, it could get jumped on by a wolf and the teeth of a wolf could you know make a wound like that. It's just it's not a vital hit. You know, you're not like and that's like a classic when you're as an elk hunting guide. You two you know, for a dozen years I did it. It's like a classic muscle hit. And it doesn't matter if it's in the backstrap or like straight in the shoulder and you don't get the penetration to get into the vitals, or it could be in the rear hand. It's like the first one hundred yards maybe two hundred yards, you're like hell yeah, like nice blood trail. And then the next thing, you know, it just starts going less and less and less, and then it's pin drops and then it just disappears. Because it's like it'd be no different than if it happened to you, Like you could like gash your forearm right now and then start running towards downtown. For the first couple hundred yards, it's gonna be pretty easy to follow you. But eventually it's going to coagulate, start drying up, and I'm not gonna be able to track your blood anymore, and you're not gonna die from that wound. But the first one hundred yards, I'd be like, holy shit, Corey's going down. But it's just not going to happen. Like even if you lost a couple of pints of blood, I don't think it's like you're not going to go down. Yeah, people ask too about why didn't we go after it with like a with the rifle, Like it honestly didn't cross our minds. We didn't have a rifle with us. Yes, we could have gone back. Let me go back to one more thing before we eventually, because we stand there long enough, we're talking, we're filming, we're discussing the situation we were at first, we were like, okay, we'll give it a couple hours and then we'll start tracking him. The bull pops up on a distant hillside. You can tell it's him because you can see the dried blood on his side and he's feeding when I saw that, I'm like, he's fine, Like like one that's gonna die that night, or that you're gonna sneak up to because he's wounded and get another arrow in is not just like chilling and up and feeding anymore, you know. Like again that arrow just went through muscle, Like, it's just not like he's not losing enough blood to die. So yeah, at that point in time, we could have been like, oh, yeah, let's go back to camp and get a rifle and we can maybe go rEFInd him and kill him. It would have been a thing to do for sure. Honestly, it just did not cross our minds. Some mong was like notching my tag, I'm done. Yeah, that was That was the end of it. Would have been nothing wrong with going after it and trying to kill it. We may or may not have been able to find it. I don't think we would have found a wounded animal and being able to sort of do like a follow up shot, you know. 00:45:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, were they migrating through at that point, like give it overnight a day later, that group could maybe be sticking around, but. 00:45:14 Speaker 2: He could be. But yeah, like we never saw him again, Yeah you never did. Yeah, I don't think we ever saw the same caribou two days in a row, and probably not even from morning to evening, like they're just moving that much, you know. So all right, onto my archery hunt. 00:45:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see Kegs rag Underscore nine asks which arrow broadhead did you use? How heavy was it? And similarly at hunter j Town wants to know what site you were running? So what was your archery set up there? 00:45:47 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah it was the The ball was the h Matthews lyft X. I was running a rip t arrow with a two hundred grain iron will single bevel with bleeders on it. Little arrow wait's about five hundred grains. Kyle David some from DCA Arrows builds those arrows for me if you if you if you want a really sweet built arrow. Highly can't recommend Kyle enough. He dials it in specifically to you know, all of your specs, and my arrows really fly good every time I get him from him. The site was a three pin Matthews bridgelock. UV slider is the model. It's not made by Matthews, but it's like a collab with I guess UV is the company. But yeah, I usually run pretty simple, just three horizontal pins western and Caribou, something like that, they'll have my pins at thirty, forty and fifty, and then when I go into the white tail woods, I'll crank them back so that my pins go twenty thirty. For a guy said that we're giving Somemong a little too much love, and that he seemed like a really good guy, but he wounds a lot of animals and makes poor short shot choices. He then normalizes it by saying that it's a part of hunting in quotes, is a major problem with YouTube hunting influencers, and there's a whole generation of hunters going up thinking it is okay and normal to occasionally lose an animal. Yes, it happens, he says. So I feel like he's sort of what's the word for that, not dialing back, but he's like saying one thing but then saying it's okay, yeah, contradicting himself. Thanks Krim. And he says it's too often for hunters like samong and the portrayal of it is just off again in quotes, If a hunter is losing animals as often as Simong does, he needs to take a step back and seriously analyze and make changes, not blow it off consistently with in quotes. That is part of hunting. I disagree with this person. I think that the reason it seems like Samon is showing more of this, and I've had people say the same thing about me watching my videos, it's because we show all of it. I could very easily not show all of my poor shots and the misses and all of that, and you go, oh, man, Yanni, just kill shit left and right. Man, that guy's a good shot. It's just it is a part of hunting. Nobody out there is perfect, and that's why we're always talking about like when you're not perfect, what bullet do you want the animal to hit? What arrow and broadhead do you want the animal to hit? When you're not the best that you can beat and you didn't make the perfect shot and you hit into the shoulder, That's why I shoot the heavy arrow right so hopefully it still does go through the bone and whatever. And again, I think it's because he's like open enough and humble enough and confident enough to show everything that happens out there that you get to see the highs and lows and then to act like only YouTube hunting influencers. Yes, is he do He and I hunt more than the average person, But I think like as a percentage of our hunts, I don't think that either one of us are like losing more animals than anybody else. Like it happens like growing up, like in deer camp, people wounded deer. Every you know deer camp, you know there'd be one or two probably, I don't know, especially doing drives, which we grew up doing. When you're shooting at running deer, like, yeah, you're always trying to follow up on them and get them. But like it is a part of hunting. And if you have some unbelievable record where you're right now in your head saying well, I've been hunting twelve years of killed there's many animals I've never lost one, I'm like, well, good for you. I applaud you. I think you've had some luck on your side, and like it's gonna happen to you. Yeah. 00:49:56 Speaker 3: Oh, as an next hunting guide eighteen years, like average clients a year, it'll make you sick the number of wounded animals that. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, both rifle and oh it's not just an archery It's not just an archery thing. So yeah, I think it is completely normal to occasionally lose an animal. It does happen. And again, I think you're just seeing it more in some monk's case, because yeah, he does hunt more, and he's like cool enough to actually show you that it goes both ways. You know that he makes mistakes. 00:50:32 Speaker 3: Yep, hats off to that. 00:50:35 Speaker 2: All right, now we can do my stock Phil. 00:50:40 Speaker 3: You see that big way rock. 00:50:43 Speaker 2: You see the way I see. 00:50:49 Speaker 1: You could grow right out there? 00:50:52 Speaker 4: True here, Yeah, which is God because the wind's in your favor. 00:51:02 Speaker 3: Still rocking that lucky wired to. 00:51:03 Speaker 2: Hunt hat, that hunt was good to me, or that hat was good to me last year, fifty yards of the same. So I'm stalking the same two bulls that I had played cat and mouse with for hours in the morning, and we had bunked them enough times and they kind of ran off that we left them and went back to our cabin, went up on the glass and knob and then refound them, and they were betted, and we really had nothing better going, so we're like, well, let's go back and give them another shot. I could see that one was betted for sure. I couldn't tell what the other one was doing, and basically I'm just trying to figure out how to get there, and uh, it would have been interesting to see. You know, you're never gonna know. But there was a little point of trees I think that I leave to get into this next clump of trees that they're on the other side of. I probably could have just sat in those trees, and I think they maybe would have fed by me, just by the way they got up and what they started to do. You never know. This obviously ended up being the right move. One caribou gets up, I think it's the one that I end up putting an arrow into, and I just kind of get into this little clump of trees that they're on the other side of, and the one surprisingly just like cumbs right at me, and I thought I was gonna end up with a frontel shot. And I don't know if he saw me or if it was just like the path through there was too thick, but he decided not to do it and kind of went around me at like fifteen twenty yards, And uh, I thought I was going to get a shot in this that one lane you can see just left in my back there, and I give him the old man and instead instead of stopping. 00:53:17 Speaker 3: All right, you didn't like that, Yeah. 00:53:20 Speaker 2: Like he had stopped, but I had brush and then he takes a step and I may and he like just trots out into the open a little bit. And luckily I had one you can't really see it from the camera's angle, but I had a opening the size of a football, and he just happened to stop where I could just see his you know, lower vitals and let him have the shot. 00:53:43 Speaker 3: So Timber, Yeah, you could feel you're adrenaline. 00:53:49 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, watching it, Well, it's like it had been long because this was Brillian our last day to hunt, and the uh oh, you know, you hunt long enough with the bow that you start to think like, oh, it's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen, which you just keep pushing on and keep pushing on, and then all of a sudden, it's like, all of sudden, the unit it just gels in the universe is like here you go, here's a caribout twenty five yards, and you know, and it happens. And I think like, after four days of trying, you sort of get this like pent up energy, you know, and so when you finally release that arrow and it's a good shot and the animal tips over. Yeah, it's a pretty big flood. Yeah, and it's uh good stuff. Man, it looked like a hell of a shot. He didn't go twenty yards something like that, I mean, just enough to trot out there. It actually was I don't want to say grotesque, but the footage we actually cut it a little bit sooner because he trots out there, stops and almost like tips and puts his nose on the ground, and when his head comes back up, the amount of blood that comes out of his nostrils and his mouth is like it looks gallons. I mean it's it's pretty real, gruesome, real, it's just raw. Uh. You know, it's just like. 00:55:08 Speaker 3: YouTube algorithm, wouldn't it help helped us out there? 00:55:11 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't care about that, but it's just like there's a little bit of respect, you know for the animal to show too. It's like, do we really need to watch that? I don't. It's like, you know, made a good shot, ran out there, and he died like yeah, so anyways, Uh, yeah, it was sweet. It was like just what you hoped for. It was beautiful lighting late in the day, you know, and then you can actually sit back and just enjoy the view, you know, because the work is done. Yeah. 00:55:40 Speaker 3: And then how far were you from camp there? 00:55:42 Speaker 2: You had the boat, We had the boat. It was short, It was like half mile to the boat and then beautiful. Yeah, and then you know, a nice ride back. 00:55:50 Speaker 3: You get to pack out every ounce, that's easy. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, carange is dropped in a question. He said that a couple of folks criticized me for holding my boat by this. They've never before, I've never like, I've asked people about that, Like Phil Larson, who built a bunch of strings for me over the years. I asked him about it. He had no problem with it. I've asked the guys at Matthew's no problem with it. Yeah. I can't imagine what the amount of tension that those strings go through that you holding it by the string is. Yeah, does anything exactly. And actually, when you store a recurve bow, you actually supposed to store it by hanging it from the string, like right over where the the riser meets the limb. That's sort of like the recommended method of storing a recurve. 00:56:37 Speaker 3: I know when I'm bushwhack and I like to hold it by the string, So then my string's not I know exactly where my strings at. It's not as exposed to get hung up on something every little stick or get hung up on a roof. 00:56:47 Speaker 2: I mean, you carry him so much that I end up carrying them a lot of times they're up on my neck. Sometimes I'm hanging it home by the riser, sometimes by the handle, and in all different ways. So yeah, I mean I just packed that thing around for miles and miles and miles every fall. 00:57:04 Speaker 3: So anyways, speaking of so, the John Fox Double O seven asks how many miles do you think you hiked on average a day. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: I don't know, five to ten somewhere in there. It was like decent hiking, but not like crazy, like enough that we were tired at the end of the day, you know, crossing that tundra there's no trails you're you're hiking on. You know, it's kind of half squishy, it's kind of you know, not great walking. Yeah, but yeah, it wasn't mega hiking. 00:57:37 Speaker 3: Another question from Austin Barricklow wants to know what is harder to do archery elk or archery caribou and what's the difference. 00:57:46 Speaker 2: M I would say archery elk cans down would be harder. In my opinion, one of the major differences is that the the like the cariboo, are just less pressure even though they have pressure. Like I said, we realized that as the week went on and the things that we learned, but they still are not getting that. I think the average pressure of an average public land bull that I'm hunting. Now, sure, if you're gonna go hunt some really cool ranch they like used to guide on them, then I might say it's maybe half dozen, you know, one to the others. It's kind of it might be the same. But I think I think it comes down to pressure, and I just think that like a public land elk is just you know, it's getting way more pressure. And the thing too with elk versus caribou. And again it's not always like this with caribou. But hopefully if you're in the right spot and you get dropped in the right spot, like you're gonna get opportunity after opportunity after opportunity, where with elk a lot of times you get like an opportunity in hopefully a day, sometimes three days, sometimes five days. You get one shot, you know, and now I'm not talking about a shot like with like we release an arrow. I'm talking about like a shot to make a stock to get close. And if you mess that up, it's like they run over the hill and who knows, maybe they stop on the other side of the mountain, maybe they go two drainages over, you don't know, and you got to like restart. And for caribou, restarting meant like go back to the high point, get up top, and like find the next bowl that you want to stalk, and usually within pretty short order. So yeah, I would definitely say that archer elc is harder. The terrain is harder, you're at altitude, there's definitely more vert involved. But yeah, you're not getting the amount of opportunities, you know. I think caribou is like I don't say it's perfect for archery hunting, but like if you hit it right, Like if everybody ever watched the episode of Meat Eater with Doug dair In and Mark Kanyon, like that was one of the coolest caribou hunts we've ever been on it. I mean we just were in it and every day it's just so many caribou, you know, and everybody I think shot their caribou pretty close, probably to bowl range. Like, I don't think anybody made a shot over one hundred yards, you know what I mean? 01:00:20 Speaker 3: And in it lining up the migration and just being obviously there with the cariboo. 01:00:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I think that's up to your outfitter or your transporter and where they drop you. Yeah, And you definitely hear stories of like dudes getting dropped and they don't see a cariboo for a week, or they see a calf and a calf in a week's time, right, Like you'd hope that the outfitter just didn't take your money and just dropped you somewhere, But I mean, that does happen. So that's why it's always worth like getting some referrals and checking with prior clients and you know, make sure you're going with the right people. They're going to do their best to get you ahead or right into the middle of a of a big wad of them, you know. You know, there's another question somebody was a couple of people asked about us not wearing camouflage and how the alfitter was wearing camouflage. Listen, like we sent Craig he probably requested what he wanted. We sent him a bunch of first light. You know, you probably sent it to him. He probably he probably requested the camo. You probably didn't choose it. And I think someone got to choose whatever he got to camo or not. And like it's like for me, camouflage, like it matters a lot in some situations, turkey hunting, duck hunting, although you see a lot of duck hunters wearing solids now too, Like we were limited on how much we could take. I just didn't feel like it was going to give me that much of an edge to be to be doing camo. Like I still I still don't know. Like what gives me an edge is like picking the right place to hide, being in the shadows, not moving the camo. Yeah, exactly. Camo doesn't help you smell any better. You know, you just got to be a good hunter. 01:02:09 Speaker 3: And and I'll say, you looked extremely broken up. You got a final harness. It's a different color, your backpack, straps, everything like that. 01:02:16 Speaker 2: That dry earth color blends in to that tungra real real nice that I was wearing. So yeah, I don't I don't feel like I I sort of like was making it any harder on myself by not wearing camels. 01:02:30 Speaker 3: Craig didn't give you a hard time. Then some people thought like, this is gonna be a long weeks not bringing camo. No, yeah, no, not at all to each their own. 01:02:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, Uh, Phil, no more questions, Krinn, no more questions. Phil is gonna probably watch this episode at lunchtime now, I imagine absolutely after that little teaser. Thank you guys for uh listening and watching. Hope you enjoyed it. If you haven't watched, uh, now you know kind of all the ins and outs and the backstory, the behind the scenes a little bit, so you'll have a different experience watching the episode. But I thought it came out good. Yeah, Max and Eli really filmed it well. They did a good job capturing the landscape. Yeah, it was great. 01:03:24 Speaker 3: It's amazing. 01:03:25 Speaker 2: It's yeah, and we didn't even talk just now. We didn't even talk about the fishing. Oh, we had some incredible fishing. And uh, I think the fishing was so good that Max and Eli put down their cameras and did some fishing and we for as many pike as we caught, Like we couldn't find a pike that was actually caught on camera, but we had one evening where it glassed out and every little back bay we would go into, like the first cast top water, you could see the wakes coming as they crashed the top water. 01:03:57 Speaker 6: Uh. 01:03:58 Speaker 2: Whatever you were fishing, it was, it was. It was rad And like I said in the episode, he can't go to a place like that that has world class fishing. It's like not pressure, not pressured, and not do a little bit of fishing. Like you just have to go out there and go, oh wow, this is what unpressured fishing's like. Like it's almost every single cast. 01:04:18 Speaker 3: I'd love to go out there just to fish. 01:04:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're into it too. They do the fly rod thing up there for the pike. 01:04:26 Speaker 3: Do they know it's fun? 01:04:29 Speaker 2: Totally corn anything else I need to plug. That's it, all right, Thanks again for watching and listening. Stay tuned. What's the next twelve and twenty six coming up? 01:04:40 Speaker 3: I think it has to do with a giant shotgun. 01:04:43 Speaker 2: Ooh okay, stay tuned for a giant shotgun. For those of you that know, you know, it should be uh should be exciting. 01:04:52 Speaker 3: I imagine I'm looking forward to it. 01:04:54 Speaker 2: I'll watch it. See you by