00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show everybody. This week, we've got cows not condos, a bit about housecat jerky, army tanks are using up all the turkey. Ammo Randall covers a chimpanzee war. An American hunter is killed by elephants. Spencer covers a war on cocaine, hippos, and more, including for real. This time, we cover the ongoing goofiness and cluelessness of Colorado's animal rights movement. But first, Seth Morris is back from his year long paternity. He has a new baby. 00:00:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, a new baby kept me up all night last night. 00:00:40 Speaker 1: Tell everybody about that baby. It's the only kid in an American named Virgil. 00:00:44 Speaker 3: Yep, Virgil. It's an old timy name that we're bringing back. 00:00:47 Speaker 1: Virgil Morris. Oh, he didn't get that joke. 00:00:53 Speaker 4: No, right, I didn't get right. 00:00:58 Speaker 1: Right away? My buddy, my buddy, And he goes, does he ride the Danville train? He comes over, We're like, does he ride the Danville trains? Over his head? I already thought about it. And then he goes. Someone else made that joke. It was Spencer. 00:01:12 Speaker 2: Virgil Cane is my name, Yep, No, Virgil, He's he's two months old now, and uh he's doing good. He's so our pediatrician said he's the fastest growing baby she's ever seen. 00:01:26 Speaker 1: WHOA, How long she been in the biz? 00:01:29 Speaker 3: I didn't ask her would be the first thing. 00:01:31 Speaker 1: I'd ask, how big? Well be like, we're going how far back did you start? Last week? 00:01:37 Speaker 5: I'd get that in writing. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: I think it seems like she's been around a while. 00:01:42 Speaker 2: But no, he's he was was gaining like he gained like eighteen ounces in a week or something like that. 00:01:46 Speaker 5: That's exceptional, great that rate. 00:01:50 Speaker 1: How much will he weigh when he's eighty? 00:01:54 Speaker 3: I don't think that's how. 00:01:57 Speaker 1: You'd be big. 00:01:58 Speaker 4: You've already had him fishing and hunting. 00:02:01 Speaker 6: Uh. 00:02:01 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: We talk him out in the turkey opener here in Montana, and my wife and I both killed turkeys. 00:02:06 Speaker 3: He wasn't. He was in the truck with an earshot, so. 00:02:10 Speaker 5: I got someone there. 00:02:12 Speaker 1: He does, He doesn't. 00:02:14 Speaker 5: He wasn't listening to the radio with a pack of smokes, you. 00:02:16 Speaker 1: Know, so he doesn't already have a hearing problem. Shoot the gun next to his little baby head. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: No, okay, but no, Yeah, we my wife and I took turns going out while one stayed in this. 00:02:30 Speaker 1: It's okay. 00:02:31 Speaker 4: When he's three, you can just get him, you know, like that story last. 00:02:35 Speaker 1: Oh, a guy rode in. We don't have it in the We don't have it in the show today, but a guy rode in based on that the story we covered the guy the three year old who the guy that supposedly had his three year old hunting turkeys and this guy guy sent it a picture of a three year old standing next to his shotgun. Yeah, the gun's way taller than the kid. He's like, this kid is not shooting that gun. Oh, my house cat turkey story. So man, I just gave the punchline away. Anyhow, So guy Mellet's the editor, brings me this jerky that he likes a lot. It's made in Kansas or something. It's his favorite jerky. It's like these square sheets of jerky. It's very unique. I'm on the plane with my little boy going out to hunt turkeys at Dougs, and I give my little boy a piece of the jerky and he pauses because it's square, do you know what I mean? He pauses kind of like he's like not getting how you could have square jerky. Yeah, And he's eating it, you know, And I said. He goes, well, our jerky's not like this. I said, there's more than one way to skin a cat. He then goes, this is cat. 00:03:47 Speaker 4: And keeps eating. 00:03:53 Speaker 5: That's good. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: Oh, here's no one since your back stuff. This occurred to me when we used to want to do our show. Scheth and I were trying to wanted to do a show called Deep Drop Boys, where we go around the world to the deepest places and put a deep drop rig down. But the thing is, most fishermen don't even recognize it as fishing, and they all agree that it's the most boring thing in the world. So our show never got off the ground. Like my wife, my wife refuses to go deep dropping. 00:04:26 Speaker 4: At the shack. You have to work a little to round up a deep drop crew, make sure I'm running a boat that day, and I yeah, otherwise, no one. 00:04:34 Speaker 1: Wants to watch me because going deep dropping means watching me. 00:04:38 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:04:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, it means watching you do nothing. You have to watch me catch nothing. But then I thought we could do the first episode of The Straight of Horror Moves. The Straight of Horror Moves. 00:04:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds risky, Billets, because. 00:04:56 Speaker 1: Then people tune in and we get our show off the ground. 00:04:59 Speaker 3: I think, I mean people would tune. 00:05:01 Speaker 1: In for them. We're gonna deep drop the straight is deep enough? 00:05:05 Speaker 3: How deep? 00:05:06 Speaker 1: Yeah? How deep? Straight? Can you check how deep the straight over? Moses like, is it gonna be good? 00:05:10 Speaker 5: Or the deepest parts are six hundred and fifty feet? 00:05:12 Speaker 1: That counts? Yeah, it'll work, that's fine. Where can you send me a pin? 00:05:16 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:05:17 Speaker 1: Uh oh? Our Save Tucker Town update Randall. 00:05:21 Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, Save Tucker Town if you haven't heard of it. We teamed up with on X to help raise money for a cause in North Carolina. The Three Rivers Land Trust is spearheading this. And in short, there's a whole bunch of uh private land that was is owned by Alcoa, and it was accessible for outdoor recreation, hunting, fish and camping, all that stuff for years and years, and it's going up for sale, so it would likely transfer into hands of other private landowners who wouldn't be as open to public access. And so the Three Rovers Land Trust is leading a campaign to raise money to purchase some of that so that it becomes public land. And we are matching. We meeting meat Eater, We're matching every dollar given along with on X between April fourteenth and May fourteenth, so we're halfway. We're not quite halfway through that time period, but we're more than halfway to our goal. So we're matching on X and Meat Eater and matching up to two hundred thousand dollars. And right now there's been one hundred and three thousand, five hundred and eighty dollars raised, so that's at fifty two percent of the two hundred thousand dollars goal. And there's still again, I guess about two weeks before May fourteenth, so keep the keep the money coming. Yeah, okay, Yeah, we're good. That's a good job. 00:06:59 Speaker 1: Do you want to add more? 00:07:00 Speaker 5: No, No, I just didn't know. I wanted to make sure it's good. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: Well, I didn't feel like it was impassioned, like an impassioned plea in the end. 00:07:10 Speaker 4: Mm hmm. 00:07:11 Speaker 5: We're halfway. We're halfway. 00:07:15 Speaker 1: I'll be like, I want you to bring like jer. 00:07:21 Speaker 6: Music running in the background. 00:07:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe next time. 00:07:26 Speaker 1: Kick in. 00:07:27 Speaker 5: Now, we're on we're on schedule. 00:07:30 Speaker 4: Let's go. We're still on schedule halfway through. 00:07:33 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, we have we have a we have a live guest here today. Her name is Katie Lane, and she's gonna talk to us about the ranching business. Cattle ranching business. Tell us now, so you guys are your family operates a ranch in eastern Montana and you are primarily a cow calf operation. Tell people what that is. 00:07:56 Speaker 8: So cow calf operation is we raise the cattle, and we raise the mother cows and then breed them every summer, have calves in the spring, and then we raise them until the fall they're about six months old, and then we sell them to a cattle buyer and they buy them and put them in feed lots all around the country and that's where they get fattened up and go into the grocery store. 00:08:24 Speaker 1: And that's the traditional business. Yes, and you have been you have embarked on an interesting enterprise. 00:08:32 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: Where you have you are trying to build, not trying, you have built it. You are growing a sort of I don't want to call it a side business, but like switching the switching your model around. And this is what I think might be interesting to listeners. So you've been in a traditional great planes arid grassland beef business. Yeah, and you're trying to switch your model and tell people what the mod the model you're trying to switch to. And within this, like all anybody hears about is like, beef prices are crazy right now. So is it even a good time to switch the model? 00:09:09 Speaker 8: Well, it's tough because I started back shortly after COVID and that was kind of I've had people asking to buy our beef for years. I would take coolers home to Minneapolis, where I'm from, every summer and I would take a couple coolers home with steaks and ground beef and give it to our family and friends and they would just hum about it when they were eating it, and they're like, can we buy this from you? I said, we don't really have that type of an operation. We just process one steer a year for our family and our crew. And they were like, well, if you're ever interested in selling it, we're interested in buying it. So I had those requests for several years. And I'm a nurse by trade, so I help on the ranch, but I would go to the clinic and see patients and that was my job. So COVID hits and there's this huge shift. More people want to know what's in their food. They're cooking from home, they're filling freezers. The grocery store shelves are empty, and there's just this huge shift of people want to know what's in their food, They want to. 00:10:12 Speaker 9: They want to take better care of themselves. 00:10:15 Speaker 8: And so I said to my husband Bill, I said, I think I can sell our beef. There are so many people asking for it, and a lot more people are interested in grass fed, And so I did a little trial run. I actually took two steers and I called family and friends back in Minnesota and I said, Hey, I'm going to bring out some beef. Are you guys interested? And I had it all sold before I went out there. 00:10:39 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:10:40 Speaker 8: OK, So we're coming home and everybody's like, when you coming back. 00:10:45 Speaker 9: It's like, I don't know. 00:10:47 Speaker 8: So I got home and I said, Bill, I think we've got something here. And so I developed a logo and started building a website to tell our story. 00:10:57 Speaker 9: And it started out with. 00:10:58 Speaker 8: Just a couple of cows a couple of beef every couple months, and I decided to just sell at farmer's markets direct to consumer, So locally, I went to some places in North Dakota, Miles City, Billings regionally, and all of. 00:11:14 Speaker 9: Our beef is USDA inspected. 00:11:16 Speaker 8: That's where it's processed at a USD inspected facility, so I can sell it. And Bill said, okay, every time you process beef, you're going to have hundreds and hundreds of pounds of burger. 00:11:28 Speaker 9: What are you going to do with all that ground beef? 00:11:31 Speaker 8: And I said, well, so the people that own the butcher facility also own a smokehouse and they make snacksticks and jerky. So that's where I started taking some of the extra trim to make beef sticks made out of grass fed beef, and then some of the extra hole muscle, so like round steak stuff that's a little tougher as a steak. 00:11:52 Speaker 9: Still makes really good jerky, even sirloin. 00:11:56 Speaker 8: So we started doing that and that kind of took gone a whole nother life of its own. 00:12:03 Speaker 9: It was shelf stable. 00:12:05 Speaker 8: Now I'm not having to transport frozen meat, and we got into we're in over one hundred retail locations now Town. 00:12:11 Speaker 9: Pump carries our beef sticks, which is great. 00:12:15 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, and so how do you picture a pathway? Is there a pathway to be that you would that you would only do that like that you would even sell to cattle buyers anymore. 00:12:28 Speaker 8: Yes, that is the ultimate plan. And when this took off, the biggest problem is having a facility that can take cattle on a regular basis to process it. That's USDA inspected. Because I'm selling it in grocery stores. 00:12:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not pre You're not. Because a lot of times I'll see, like a friend of mine, Dougi, used to do this business. He would have a very small amount he would pre sell them all. Yeah. So the consumer was basically buying it on the hoof. Yeah, and then it wasn't an inspected facility. But you're selling it like piece by piece after the facts, you have to have it inspected. 00:13:04 Speaker 9: Yep, yep. 00:13:05 Speaker 8: So I have a big walk in freezer out at the ranch that I have all the beef after I pick it up from the processor. It's all divided out by cuts. And then even if somebody wants a quarter beef or a half beef, I sell it that way. I just go basically pick the cuts that would make up that. 00:13:22 Speaker 9: So it's not always coming from the same animal. 00:13:24 Speaker 8: But we butcher in small quantities, so I'm not picking from one hundred, you know, steers at a time. 00:13:31 Speaker 9: I'm picking from six eight. 00:13:33 Speaker 1: So when you go out on your place, because you guys are running a regular cattle operation. When you go out in your place and you're going out to get the stuff that you yourself are going to sell, how do you do you like pick the do you select? 00:13:45 Speaker 8: I have my own grass fed herd specifically. 00:13:49 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not even out at the same pool. No, you have this whole separate operation. And then how do you get them? How do you get them from the ranch to the slaughterhouse? 00:13:58 Speaker 9: I take them in a trailer. 00:14:00 Speaker 1: You load them up. 00:14:00 Speaker 8: We literally go out into the pasture in the morning, load them up, load them up, whatever looks finished, and I take them. 00:14:07 Speaker 1: In and it's all grass fed. 00:14:09 Speaker 9: It's all grass fed. 00:14:10 Speaker 8: We just got a GA certified, which is American grass Fed Association, So that's going to be on our logo now on our labels. 00:14:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, but now help me understand this part, because like when be if beef prices are so high, do you see that? More like, if you're a cow calf operation, you're just selling to cattle buyers. Who who is winning when beef prices are high? There are the ranchers winning, more are the feed lots winning more. Are the restaurants winning more? Is it spread pretty evenly? 00:14:42 Speaker 9: Well, right now, I think the ranchers are winning more. 00:14:45 Speaker 1: But you guys will feel that beef price increase. 00:14:49 Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, our calves are selling for more than they've ever sold. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: God, and all the inputs are like right now, fuels probably very expensive. So there's certain inputs that go like inflation, inputs that make it. 00:15:00 Speaker 8: Yeah, even like the tractors and the equipment that we use on the ranch that's expensive now. Yeah, I mean you're looking at half a million dollar pieces of equipment to go out and farm and to put like we put up our own hay, so we've got a swathe, a rake, a bayler, all those things, and the fuel to run it out in the field. And sometimes we don't have a lot of hay, so we've always got a storage backstorage. 00:15:26 Speaker 1: So that partially like having trying to run like a family business, to try to figure out a way, like what you're doing to I don't know, branch out or diversify, there's probably a lot of incentive to do that. 00:15:39 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was probably a lot better when I first started because the market was a lot lower so I was turning. You know, obviously the cattle are on our property for longer we're selling. When we're selling them as calves are only six months old, so now I'm keeping them for another year and a half. But we've got the grass, we've got the land to keep them. 00:16:00 Speaker 1: Yea. 00:16:01 Speaker 8: And so you know, it started out as just a little side hustle and it's really grown into something bigger. And Bill said, I would love to eventually shift our whole herd into what was do that? 00:16:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, man, just take control of it all. 00:16:13 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:16:14 Speaker 1: And you and you hop in your truck. I know this. You hop in your truck. You got a trailer, you got freezers, and you make deliveries all over the place. Yep, you got restaurants. So tell people about that aspect of it. 00:16:27 Speaker 8: So we're in several grocery stores town and country. 00:16:31 Speaker 9: I go all the way up to Big Sky. 00:16:32 Speaker 8: I don't cover the whole state, but I kind of have this IE ninety I ninety four corridor that I drive and have several deliveries along the way. We're in a couple of restaurants and billings that have us on the menu, which is wonderful. 00:16:46 Speaker 1: So they'll say the menu'll say that. 00:16:48 Speaker 9: The menu actually says, yeah, Lane Legacy beef. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: That's cool. 00:16:51 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:16:52 Speaker 8: And then I ship most of the smoke products because I can the frozen stuff, I just deliver. 00:16:58 Speaker 9: I don't want to deal with We. 00:17:00 Speaker 8: Live so remote that to overnight dry ice. Ye're just not interested in doing that right now. 00:17:06 Speaker 1: But you'll pull up to the restaurant and do the delivery. 00:17:08 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:17:09 Speaker 7: I go to the loading dock, show up with my cowboy boots and sometimes I walk back into a kitchen and it's a bunch of guys and like, what are you doing here? 00:17:20 Speaker 9: Got your beef delivery? I'm the one doing it. 00:17:23 Speaker 1: All right, So tell folks again this is great. And again, you know, I love ranch land and grassland and a lot better than condos. So it's good to see people that can, like producers out on the landscape, able to hold on to like large properties that serve as wildlife habitat, and able to make those things work and not need to carve them up. 00:17:47 Speaker 9: And you know, well, and it's fun. 00:17:49 Speaker 8: We just started doing virtual fencing here in the last six posts. So our cows have collars, no and we can move them with the push of a button on our cell phone. Really yeah, we've had we've had neighbors come out because there's just a few people that have started doing it in our area and they will come out and we'll do a shift and they and it's they're not getting shocked. 00:18:11 Speaker 9: They just get a vibration on their neck. 00:18:13 Speaker 8: And so you can literally pick up the virtual boundary and shift it over and the cows start getting up and they start walking, and then when one goes, then the other ones go and then they all kind of want to go together. 00:18:24 Speaker 9: Reallys without. Yeah, it's incredible. 00:18:29 Speaker 8: So you can you can heavily graze a smaller area and then shift them and give that a break. If you have bigger pastures with maybe a couple of stock tanks, they all want to hang out around that one stock tank and they're just overly grazing that area. So you can create these like corridors. You can divide a square pasture into you know, four rectangles and let them they can still get access to water, but they can only they have to eat over here. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: Or yeah, you guys are dry country. 00:19:01 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean you got there's. 00:19:04 Speaker 1: Like you could be selling cactuses. 00:19:06 Speaker 7: We do. 00:19:08 Speaker 9: Jerkey the next thing. 00:19:11 Speaker 1: So tell people again how to like if you're on the I ninety ninety four cord or you want to buy some you want to buy some Lane Legacy beef from some cattle ranchers in montanae on how to find. 00:19:21 Speaker 8: You Lane Legacybeef dot com. You can order online. We ship all over the country as far as the smoke products, so you can order online. And then if you can buy our stuff at the grocery store, and if you want to buy more than a couple of packages of ground beef for a steak, you can order directly from me and I can meet you along my delivery routes, and I come out this way every month, so right, you're always getting fresh beef. You're not getting stuff that's, you know, six months or a year old. 00:19:50 Speaker 1: Awesome. Thanks thanks to coming buy Thanks thanks for educating our you know, the ones that don't already know, educating our audience about the beef business. 00:19:58 Speaker 9: Thank you. 00:20:00 Speaker 1: We'll let you get out of here, unless you want to stick around again, Katie Lane Lane Legacy Beef like super cool business. Is cool to see you guys making a go of it like that. Thank you. We're not doing corrections this week, not formally, at least not with the prize giveaway. We'll resume that next week. We do, but we do have one small correction to make it only because it's funny, yep. And it's from our calendar and time. 00:20:24 Speaker 4: Is old calendar series which Steve thought was a dead business, but we might be bringing it back, that's all. 00:20:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna like the calendar business is waning, Yes, like calendars are going out on the way of the wagon wheel. 00:20:43 Speaker 4: We've tried, we've tried. 00:20:44 Speaker 1: And so every year I think that the calendar will do bad enough that we won't be asked to do another calendar. But they don't do that bad and we got next year, we're doing a calendar of wildlife diseases. 00:20:59 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: Everything will be a photo. Every month will be a disturbing photo of a wildlife disease. 00:21:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you'll learn a lot because. 00:21:11 Speaker 1: The worst calendar you've ever like this is like the pros. It'll be the ugliest, most upsetting, worst calendar you've ever seen, and then we'll never make another calendar. 00:21:23 Speaker 4: Now we're gonna probably use a lot of We're going to get our own pictures for this one. On like the last few calendars, but you got a real good picture of a messed up animal. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: If you had a real puff pocket or something. 00:21:35 Speaker 3: Let us know, Yeah, where do you go if this? If this does work? Where do you go after that? Okay? 00:21:42 Speaker 1: Rotten fish on beaches like a calendar of like, yeah, the best rotten fish on the beach. 00:21:52 Speaker 7: Yah. 00:21:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, we could do another outhouse calendar, but just from the inside the inside. 00:21:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, forgotten. This typeo is funny now Steve and I are the creative force behind it. These calendars say, you can't blame us for this this typo. I'm not sure if you're aware, but uh, May fifth is Cinco de Mayo, not on that calendar. On this calendar, Cinco de Mayo is on May the fourth. Be with you. 00:22:22 Speaker 1: Anyway, And for you people that don't speak Spanish, if one was to translate Cinco de Mayo, it translates to the fifth of May. 00:22:32 Speaker 4: It does the quatro of Demayo. 00:22:36 Speaker 1: But here we have it on the fourth. I don't know who would have made that mistake. 00:22:39 Speaker 5: And we just wanted to get it out there so that no one is confused. It goes to their Sinco Demayo gathering and then we get. 00:22:46 Speaker 1: Us, then we get sued. 00:22:48 Speaker 4: May it's uh, May the fourth be with you, not not Cinco to Mayo, Sinko to Miles. On the fifth, there we go. 00:22:55 Speaker 1: Thank you, Brody, good job. So got rode in. Nope, he didn't right in. We just found this out because it's publicly available information. We were talking about how so all the cool kids over the last I don't know, six years, five years, all the cool kids hunt turkeys with something called tungsten super shot, extremely expensive and getting now insanely expensive. Now if you shoot a tungsten super shot load, it's about eleven dollars to pull the trigger with tungsten. Tungsten is kind of going off the market, and part of the thing is they use it in munitions. So we're talking about how the government is buying up all the tungsten. Tungsten for homeown tungsten for just regular sportsmen is getting insanely expensive to the point where it's probably not even going to be around anymore. And we have heard rumors murmurings that in the future, in the near future, in a year or two, you won't even be able to buy tungsten shot shells anymore. So, so check this out. So an Abrams tank. Okay, A guy wrote over with a bunch of information about Abrams tanks they carry. Abrams tanks carry three kinds of shells. One is a depleted uranium rod called a kinetic penetrator. I was reading up on the son everyone stood it. It really is like if you take uranium and use it to make fissile like nuclear material. These rods are. When they say depleted uranium, it's like it's it's a uranium rod that has already had somehow the radioactivity has been harvested off it in a way that I'll never understand. But it produces a rod when you sharpen it. It depleted uranium rod self sharpens on impact. I didn't know this. It doesn't mushroom wild. Yeah, so when you make it pointed on impact, it sharpens more. That's how it sheds material. It doesn't have a tendency to want to mon USh room. 00:25:01 Speaker 4: Also, so you want to poke a hole in something. 00:25:03 Speaker 1: Like you want to poke a hole in another army tank. It shoots four to five times the speed of sound, and it just really is a sharp rod. But when it upbraids on something at high speed, the flakes come off as white hot metal that ignite gas and ammunition and stuff. They carry those. One of the things they carry is a can round. Okay, now here's where all your tungsten is. Here's if you're a taxpayer, here's where your tungsten ammo's going. I had no idea about this. A can round fired from an Abrams tank contains one thousand, one hundred four aught buck tungsten pellets. Picture this quad on quad aught buck eleven hundred tungsten buckshot balls at four point five times the speed of sound, No, four and a half times faster than your federal premium TSS load. 00:26:10 Speaker 4: Wait, you talk about killing turkey so long range. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: So you shoot a turkey out of a shotgun? This, this, this four hought buck is going four point five times faster than out of your shotgun. 00:26:21 Speaker 5: Which is like fourred feet per second. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: He says that every time they shoot this tank shell, and this is meant to be like for anti tank crews or masked personnel, every time they touch off one of these tank rounds, he said, there goes one hundred and fifty five shotgun loads worth of TSS. 00:26:44 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna do the math. How much. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: Is that a lot? 00:26:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tungsten jigheads for fishing right now are just outrageous. 00:26:55 Speaker 1: Yep, because of this guy. 00:26:57 Speaker 2: Hey, I think my quarter rounds two quarter abounds jake heads on Rapple's website is nineteen dollars and forty nine cents. 00:27:06 Speaker 3: Yeah for two. 00:27:07 Speaker 4: All those tongues and beads that fly fishermen used, they're going to go away too. I didn't even think about the fishing end of it. 00:27:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're killing tungsten users. It's fine. 00:27:16 Speaker 2: The thing about it, there's there's there's lakes out there that are like no lead lakes. 00:27:22 Speaker 1: Yepy fishermannymore to make a comeback, though, I think so. This guy also waited on something. Who in here says a saboted Sabbath. I had no idea that this is wrong. Well, I knew that it's split. He's very firmly that it's a Sabo. It is not as sabboted as Sabbath. I say Sabbath, French, I say sab but he argues Sabo. 00:27:49 Speaker 10: I pulled up Merriam Webster and they accept both pronunciations. 00:27:53 Speaker 1: Not this guy, not this army, not this army. Tank driver. 00:27:56 Speaker 3: Guy. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: I just outed him, he said, not to say who he was. He's an army tank driver. Hopefully there's enough of them around that they won't be able to I mean to stick it to him. 00:28:08 Speaker 2: I feel like that that'd be the only type of guy that would have this information. 00:28:12 Speaker 5: Oh it's all public, he said. 00:28:15 Speaker 4: Say the driver just says he works with thanks. Could be okay, wider net Ah. 00:28:22 Speaker 1: Okay, Now we got a correction, special edition. This is gonna take a ton of time. This is like a long this is a long time correction. Okay, So we covered on a pass. I'll get this whole thing. We covered on a past episode Colorado's for sale ban that is in the rulemaking process in Colorado. So in that correct we talked about a woman named Samantha Miller. Okay, So Samantha Miller helped bring you the end of Washington's Spring black Bear season. 00:28:58 Speaker 7: Uh. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: Her organ help bring on a malfeacent game commission in Washington, which is under investigation. We'll cover that soon, a derelict game commission in Colorado. They helped bring you a failed effort to ban mountain lion hunting in Colorado, and now the proposed ban on the sale of products from all fur bearing animals in Colorado. Well, she herself has written in some corrections about our coverage of the anti hunting and trapping efforts of the Center for Biological Diversity. So I'm going to deliver these corrections with commentary. Okay, but first some background. You handled this story, you brody. Okay. In March, Colorado Parks and WILDLFF Commission voted six to four to advance to rule making a citizen's posit petition to prohibit the lawful sale barter in trade of fur bearing animals, So it would become illegal in Colorado to sell, barter or trade hides from parts or high parts, by which we mean les. You talk about vaculums. Oh, all this stuff about RFK junior and the raccoon penis. Of all the news people that have touched this, how come not one of them has made the guess of what. 00:30:12 Speaker 4: Was going on there because they don't know. 00:30:15 Speaker 1: There's all these news stories RFK juniors stopped and took a penis from a dead raccoon, not one of these news stories. It hasn't occurred to any of them. He was getting the vaculum, Yeah, he was getting the vaculum to make like a drink stir. Oh no, one says this. 00:30:32 Speaker 5: Oh, I thought that was in the news story. 00:30:34 Speaker 1: Find me a news story that includes that he was after the baculum. 00:30:39 Speaker 10: Did you say you wanted for a drinkster? 00:30:41 Speaker 1: No, but of course that's what he's doing. Yeah, but he wanted the baculum. 00:30:47 Speaker 10: Or he's got a moonshine. 00:30:48 Speaker 1: Still, okay, Yeah, this I needed like three hours to go through it. 00:30:54 Speaker 4: I have to, Okay. 00:30:58 Speaker 1: So it would become illegal in Colorad to cell hides of raccoons, possums, skunks, muskrats, bobcats, and a bunch of other fur bears. A deeper background here. Colorado's outgoing governor's a guy named Jared Polis. His husband is a self described animal welfare advocate. So when this guy does his little bio, that's what he puts that down. Okay, he puts down how he's a first gentleman, and he puts down that he's a animal welfare advocate. He's chummy. He's chummy with animal rights radicals like the crew at Center for Biological Diversity. So, like Nancy Reagan, if you think like first gentleman, first lady think like Nancy Reagan had just say no to drugs, Barbara Bush, universal literacy, Carter's wife, mental health. Did you know this? 00:31:53 Speaker 4: Who is the one that was anti swearing in songs? 00:31:58 Speaker 1: Al Gore's wife. That's right, but but he wasn't president of. 00:32:02 Speaker 4: I know it's the same thing. 00:32:07 Speaker 1: It was close. It was close. This guy's got animal rights. That's his that's his stick. 00:32:18 Speaker 4: Him. 00:32:19 Speaker 1: This is my personal theory. I don't know this is true for the truth, but him having such pro close proximity to the governor, meaning they're married. The governor then appointed and Colorado the governor pointed a bunch of animal rights advocate game commissioners who are sort of hostile to the traditional job of what game commissioners do. And so once they got the Game Commission stocked up with these people. In Juno last year, they submitted a petition to the Game Commission to amend Colorado's regulations to outlaw trade and for bearing animals. Part of what makes this whole thing interesting is that Colorado Parks and Wildlife Director Laura Clellan, who was appointed by the objected, objected to the petition on several grounds. So the agency director says, I don't want this petition. One the petitioners Center for Biological Diversity. They couldn't demonstrate any decline in fur bearing animals. Okay, they couldn't demonstrate a relationship between sales of fur and declining animal numbers. It didn't acknowledge the existing strict regulations on the take of fur bears. It cited misleading research that had nothing to do with Colorado, and it conflicts with state statute and its exceptions are badly defined, and we create unenforceable rules. This is coming from the governor's own appointed commissioner, but they go through it anyways. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: So director, not commissioner. 00:33:55 Speaker 1: Sorry director, So back to the to the corrections came in from from Samantha Miller. So she runs state level anti hunting and anti trapping campaigns. So she's with the Center for Biological Diversity. It's called a campaigner is the job, and that means you campaign for like anti hunting and trapping campaigns. 00:34:15 Speaker 4: She was predator campaigner, wasn't she Carnival? 00:34:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, even though they deal with omnivores and herbivores here her own bio. One of the things she says, she says in the past, I advocated alongside Mountain Lion Foundation in my role as the executive director of Washington Wildlife First a pre a former gig. During that time, she says, we achieved significant victories for wildlife in Washington State, such as the prohibition of spring bear hunting. So right there. Part of the aim of the job is the reform wildlife commissions, which means working with what I feel to be like glible governors to bring anti hunting and anti trapping folks into commissions, which is what she worked on over in Water, Washington, where they had the placement of commissioners who then ended the spring bear hunt. What's really fascinating is the same group of commissioners are being investigated for mal feasts and destruction of government property in Washington. We have a show coming up where we'll dig into that investigation and that Saucy also one of the commissioners that Pole was put on, hadn't gone did this vote voted for the fur sales band in Colorado, but they hadn't yet been approved by the Senate. They didn't get the votes to get approved. So now they resigned because once like they were appointed, voted for the fur ban and then the date they were acting right. 00:35:42 Speaker 4: And some of that vote still stands. 00:35:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, But then the date came up for them to get voted on by the state Senate and he doesn't have the vote, so he just resigns rather than I feel like that's chicken shit. I feel like you should stick it out like it get voted. But he, like Harry carry like death before dishonor so he's not even the commission anymore. They were. He wasn't gonna get voted in, but he got to vote on this. 00:36:05 Speaker 4: He did. He did what he was there to do, which is cast that vote. 00:36:09 Speaker 1: Yeah. So Miller campaigns on behalf of anti hunting initiatives. Okay, so she worked on the recently failed effort to ban bobcat, mountain lion, and even linx hunting and links hunting doesn't exist in the lower forty eight because they are an Endangered Species Act protected animal. But who let that little detail get in the way of something that sounds important? So I think that when we get into these corrections, it's important to keep that in mind, because you've already laid out You've laid out when you said, like I want to ban bobcat mountain lion hunting. You've already laid out, like what your end goal is. Do you know what I'm saying. Look, if you took a guy like like if Mike Lee came up with a thing where he said, oh, I just want to sell some public lands, you'd be like, yeah, but I kind of know you don't like any of them, right, Like I already know what you think. So that's already been Like, the end goal has already been like quite clear. Okay, But correction one, she says, our petition, this is a correction from Miller. Our petition is not the same as the Denver furband, and that distinction matters. The Denver measure concerned retail sale of fur products regardless of source. Our petition is far narrower. It addresses the commercial sale of pelts and parts from Colorado wild fur bears killed in Colorado. Now I'd have to go re listen to the whole thing. I don't think in any way you said or I said, this is the same as the Denver I. 00:37:38 Speaker 4: Certainly said something like this was attempted a couple of years ago. 00:37:42 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're guilty. Correction taken. 00:37:45 Speaker 4: Sure, we didn't get into the details of Yeah, I'm glad she brought it up. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: I'm glad the correction brought up because I want to point out the Denver furband was defeated by voters in Denver, in Denver, not Colorado in general. It was defeated by voters in Denver. So this new effort, this new Colorado wide first sale band, is like taking your trojan horse anti hunting commissioners and getting them to do what voters didn't even want to do. Okay, well, a funny addition here on to get to this pushback. One of the things that helped tank the Denver fir sale band was the fly fishing community. I was reading about this to day. The fly fishing community was pissed about it because they're like, what about our flies? Right? Keep that in mind because that ties into what I'm going to get in a minute. So fly fishermen, of which Colorado has a great many, We're like, hold on a minute, you wouldn't be able to buy flies beaver, And so they learned their lesson there, as I'll get to in a minute. Okay, here's her second. Here's another crack. She gave a bunch. But I'm doing a bunch of them she gave. If she gave eight, I'm doing four or something like that. 00:39:06 Speaker 10: What was her telling was she angry? Was she like, I want you to understand this. 00:39:10 Speaker 1: Better, understand it better that we were wrong about some things? She says. The petition would not eliminate the economic viability of nuisance, wildlife control or similar work. Colorado law already allows continued sale of pelts and parts and certain nuisance and agricultural contexts. That sale would continue to be allowed and is protected by law. Okay, got it, correction taken. 00:39:42 Speaker 4: We had a we had a guy right in with that same. 00:39:45 Speaker 1: But this is where this creates huge problems. Okay. As pointed out by the wildlife director, a person working on agricultural depredation stuff doesn't even need a license. Okay, So here's the state director. Here's where their thing is. How can the state possibly distinguish if a farmer kills raccoons from getting into a grain bin, or if a kid down the road from that farmer kills a raccoon not getting into a grain bin. How would the state ever distinguish between these two raccoons when they come up for sale. There's no tagging system so part of the state saying this is so dumb is they're like, we already have a way that things can hit the market. You're trying to make another way that things can hit the market, and then we're supposed to be able to tell. So that's part of the unenforceable quality to it. Okay, here's another correction, and I'm gonna bring all this together in a minute, but here's another correction. She says, the petition applies to a narrow category of Colorado wild fur bearers under Title thirty three. It does not apply to all wild animals. Okay, got it, understood, bears only forur bears only. It applies to fur bearing animals that can be legally hunted or trapped. Okay, so, raccoons, opossums, skunks, muskrats, beavers, long tailed weasels, bobcats, coyotes, gray fox, red fox, martin mink, muskrat. Hold all that in mind. I'm gonna come back around to this too. She says it is not accurate to suggest commercial markets pose no population level concern when population status and harvest data for several fur bear species remain uncertain. I get the point you're making, but your State Agency disagrees, okay, but she routinely attacks state agency workers in an effort to delegitimize them. For instance, her words this is her she describes the State Commission as having extremist views. Her words, I thought state agencies took care of wildlife, that they were managing for wild animals, but really they managed for humans interest in wild animals and the value that they can put on each species, which is usually by selling tags for hunting or fishing licenses. Going on her words, agencies like Colorado Parks and Wildlife are enterprise agencies. They are there to make money, and they make money by selling tags. Let's get to the population thing. Of all those fur bears in Colorado, each of them has a listing from the International Union for the Conservation of Nature called IUCN. Anyone at home, if you go to look up any animal you can think about on Wikipedia. Go on the Wikipedia and look up name an animal stripeskunk type. In stripeskunk and Wikipedia, you'll see the entry hovering off to the right. You'll see a a icon and a i u c N status for that species. 00:43:04 Speaker 4: I think they have colors may be such a color icon. It's holnerable, near threatened. 00:43:08 Speaker 1: It's a very nuanced. 00:43:10 Speaker 4: System species of least concern. 00:43:12 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get to how nuanced it is. It is a very nuanced system. The i u c ND system goes like this, extinct, extinct in the wild, critically endangered, endangered, vulnerable, near threatened, and least concern. Every one of these fur bears in Colorado has an i u c N ranking of least concern. 00:43:39 Speaker 4: Can I point out something else about all those species you haven't been able to trap. I'm in Colorado for thirty years. You can still hunt them, but people aren't trapping for fur in Colorado anymore. Like it just does. It's not a little bit a little because you. 00:43:54 Speaker 1: Can cage trapping private land, private land for the whole Like it's just they've already they've already crippled it, which maybe someday we'll undo. So all of these things, the IUCN offers one, two, three, four, five, six, The IUCN offers seven levels. Each of these fur bears that we're talking about here are all least concerned. But here's what it gets interesting. Colorado has if you're interested, if you're the Center for Biological Diversity, and you're interested in biological diversity, why are you not focused on the seventeen species in Colorado that are that are listed as threat, federally threatened, or in danger. Why are you not spending your time on blackfooted ferrets, New Mexico, metal jumping mice, humpback chubs, razorback suckers, Southwestern willow flycatchers, pawnee montane skippers, seventeen plant species. Why not do that? If you were interested in biological diversity, this is gonna be undistasteful to you. Would you would be volunteering for Ducks Unlimited or RMEF and doing habitat work. 00:45:10 Speaker 4: Trout unlimited. 00:45:12 Speaker 1: You would be doing habitat work if you were interested in biodiversity. Ducks unlimited, wetlands, Rocky Mountain out Foundation, grassland ecosystems, Trout unlimited river ecosystems. That's what you would do. If you were interested in biodiversity, you wouldn't be messing around like with striped skunk protections. It's because you're not like, they're not looking at what matters for biodiversity, They're looking at where they can successfully shut down hunting activities. Here's another one correction. Another correction fly tying materials were explicitly accounted for in drafting. This is from Miller. She says, the petition was designed narrowly to avoid disrupting ordinary fly tying and retail supply chain. It is aimed at the commercial sale of pelts and parts from Colorado wild fur bearers, not at ending fly tying understood. Correction understood. And I want to take this a step further. Here's the Agency director on the fly fishing thing. This is the Agency director's words. There are two significant problems with the first exemption in the proposed amendment for quote finished hand tied fishing flies. That's what the petition says. That's okay. The petition says, it is okay to have quote finished hand tied fishing flies. Okay, the Director. This proposed exemption is too narrow, as it would exempt finished hand tied flies but prohibit the sale of the raw materials typically used to tie flies. The resulting ban on fly tying products could result in signific impacts to the Colorado fishing community community, both fly shops and individual consumers. Two, this proposed exemption is unworkable under the current regulatory framework. The current framework does not define fishing flies generally. Rather, it only defines artificial flies and lures. In order for the band to be enforceable, its exemptions must be clearly applied, and the Commission would need to develop a separate definition for a finished, hand tied fishing fly. However, there can be misunderstandings or disagreements as to whether something qualifies as a fly versus a lure. Furthermore, because the exemption language does not include handmade lures, any such lures using fur products would fall outside this exemption to be banned for sale. So flies are okay, bucktail jigs are illegal yep. 00:48:01 Speaker 4: And as someone who ran a fly shot for a long time, there was a lot of stuff on that fly tying wall. We would have a yank off the wall. 00:48:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's so funny. But you're like, why would they care about fly fishermen because fly fishermen boned them on their Denver fur band. So now they're so short sighted they're like, yeah, walleye guy with a bucktail jigscrew that guy a fly fisherman? Cool if it's hand tied. So there's there's this quote, I like, it's uh, you can get bump there's bumper stickers to say this. People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich old ladies than motorcycle gangs. I've changed that quote. I've adapted that quote. People are more violently opposed to fur than flies because it's safer to harass rich old ladies than rich old men. Get it it. Okay, here's another exemption. 00:49:06 Speaker 4: Oh, there's more. 00:49:08 Speaker 1: Just im just getting this exception is insane. 00:49:12 Speaker 4: Was this all done through email or did you talk to her? 00:49:15 Speaker 1: Me reading and me reading and getting emails? Okay, now here, here's another This is this demonstration insanity? Is this stupid petition? Okay the petition? Okay, this is the petition's words. Okay. They have an exemption and it pertains to felted fur western hats. If okay, if if the hat is quote un quoting, if the hat is quote crafted using heritage techniques like wet felting that promote sustainability and cultural craftsmanship unquote from director. The petition does not define the necessary elements of the exemption. For this exemption to be meaningful, the Commission or the Division would need to define a felted fur Western hat, as well as to define accepted quote heritage techniques, as well as determining which whether such techniques quote promote sustainability in cultural craftsmanship. The Commission and the Division cannot guess what petitioners mean by these terms, nor do they have the historic or artistic expertise to meaningfully determine what qualifies as a quote heritage technique that promotes quote cultural craftsmanship. It's so dumb. If you had a hat, if you were selling a hat that was just a beaver fur and you could have made it with a bone all. Okay, You could be a Native American woman making a beaver fur hat with a bone all, and it would not be regarded as a heritage technique or cultural craftsmanship. It has to be in the form of a cowboy hat. It's so dumb. You have to take all the hair off and make it a cowboy hat, and then in their mind it becomes okay, I readid my quote again? Remember the quote? Where's the original quote. People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich old ladies the motorcycle gangs. People are more violently opposed to fur than cowboy hats, because it's safer to harass rich old ladies than thirty year old women from New Jersey buying a big goofy hat for a summertime outdoor wedding and veil. 00:51:45 Speaker 4: I like it. 00:51:47 Speaker 1: I made that quote up. I can say Bozeman too, Miller, Well, it's trying to keep in Colorado. 00:51:52 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:51:52 Speaker 4: True. 00:51:53 Speaker 1: Here's another craction from Miller. Wow, rabbits are small game, not for not for a band sabbit. They would not be considered under this petition. Got it, bro, He's wrong. Yeah, another correction. This petition does not ban personal use. Hunters and trappers could still keep and use animals they lawfully take for personal purposes. I know we framed the whole conversation as being about a first sale band. We never talked about a use band. Now. I was discussing the logic of this all by demonstrating what is considered to be okay in the Center for Biological Diversities eyes and what's not okay, right, like things like flies cool spinners not cool. Felt made from a beaver hat cool, Or like a hat made from felt made from beaver cool. A hat made from fur from a beaver not cool. Okay, and again it's tainted by other efforts like the Bobcat Mountain Lion band. They just tried to do. This doesn't occur in a vacuum. Now here's some other quotes to get an idea how Miller think. Okay, she likes people like to make this point. We're talking about this fir thing they like, they love to make this point that like it goes against the north of our own north. They like to take the North America model of wildlife conservation throw it back in hunter's faces. Okay, So she's like the commercialization of fur bears. She says, it is to make commercialization of fur bears. This petition is to make commercialization of fur bears align with other big game species. To me, this is a simple question. This is Miller talking. Why are we allowing the sale of wildlife in one species, in one category of species rather than others. She also says this today, I really do urge you to support this petition. It's a common sense change. It's a low bar for our wildlife. It should not be for sale. Okay. When when when Miller walks in to a whole foods and her mind must be absolutely blown when she sees wild caught Alaska salmon and whole foods, her mind must be blown. When she sees golf shrimp for sale and whole foods, how could that be? How could we be selling wildlife because different wildlife has different conservation histories. Game animals became a no sale item. Fur bearing animals never went through a collapse that necessitated it. Same thing like, why can you sell wildcaught salmon? If our wildlife shouldn't be for sale, why is it okated by a wildcast salmon? Because salmon, which is wildlife, is under an entirely different management structure with a different conservation story. It's just different. Fur bears are different. When when Roosevelt was considering ways to stop the market slaughter, they were concerned about raccoons and possums because those things weren't critically they weren't like at a critical conservation point, there was no a recovery effort. So it's just they have a just like how you can buy salmon, you can buy raccoon first. Okay, She also says this. She says, I don't believe carnifork. I don't believe carnivores need This is the thing you'll find again and again in this language, and careful with the language. She says, I don't believe carnivores need to be killed, period. Like that's just where I'm at. That's a quote, okay, and apparently not omnivores either, because she's worked to end bear hunts. Okay, but it's an interesting wildlife distinction. And and and when we in wildlife management, not often do we manage wildlife by diet okay, Like a northern pike is a carnivore. 00:55:43 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, raccoon's an omnible a fox. 00:55:48 Speaker 1: It's an interesting way to like manage wildlife. You'd be like, I'm gonna do it by diet. Okay. Herbivores cool, Well, beavers are herbivorous, but that's not cool, So like, stop talking to me about what they eat as a management tool, and. 00:56:03 Speaker 4: A management tool is not I just feel like carnivores should not be killed. That's not a management strategy. 00:56:10 Speaker 1: She says this. I think that people that hunt predators for fun. Okay, remember that word need. I'm gonna come back to the word and need, you know, come back to the word fun. She says, I think that people that hunt predators for fun have a very specific personality type that I would not want to be around by myself. Also, this, let's just remove this is a quote. Let's just remove the four funsies part, the killing for funsies. Let's maybe take that away while we figure out how to get these animals back where we want them. She says this. This is commercial killing, with lion hunting guides charging an eight thousand dollars fee to guarantee a trophy, and trappers selling bobcat pelts to China. Okay. Often describes hunters as remorseless, which is a weird one. She says, this is animal cruelty that's allowed to continue to our wildlife. And I think every Colorado knows that this isn't really hunting. Okay, there's real hunting and that this isn't it. 00:57:23 Speaker 4: She should tell me what real hunting is. 00:57:24 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, this is this. This is a quote trophy exercise for heads and coats and nothing more than that. Here's another word that comes up again, quote needless killing of mountain lions and bobcats for their heads and beauty and beautiful fur coats. Okay. She says this about bear hunters in Washington. A fraction of a percentage of Washingtonians, including Fish and Wildlife Director Kelly Susselwind, have fun killing bears in spring. She says this, The Commission continued to approve spring bear hunting long after the department could show any management need. So if you look at what they say, what they're saying is if there's no need, if there's no management need, don't hunt it. Okay, Well, I have news for you. There is no need to fish walleye. There is no management need to fish walleye. There is no management need to fish rainbow trout. There is no management need to hunt pheasants. There's no management need to hunt turkeys. Turkeys do not have a demonstrable like effect in a negative way. So when you introduced that idea, like do you need is there a management need for a hunt, you're left with like hogs in Texas. 00:58:48 Speaker 4: Sure, maybe whitetails where they're over white tails. 00:58:52 Speaker 1: But that's her way of looking at it. Is there a management need, it's okay, So you can't do it if it's fun. She wants to end the stuff for fun. Okay, you shouldn't enjoy hunting, that's out. Not if you want to sell something, that's out. If you like taxidermy, that's out. If there's not a need, that's out. I'm lost on what's left. If if it's enjoyable, don't. If you're gonna have it's stuffed in your house, don't. 00:59:25 Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's just crazy that she spends all this time setting up these like arguments that are made to sound like reasonable and sophisticated, and then she ends with this stuff. 00:59:36 Speaker 1: Here's the here's the yeah, here's some of the final best stuff. Apparently there was someone secretly recorded a meeting of the Biological diversity people and their followers. Someone tapped in and recorded the meeting. Okay, and this demonstrates some insanity that goes on with the commission. Okay. So they had these commission meetings about this first sale band, and they have their own commissions they've placed within it. The animal rights community has their own commissions. Sitting there in this recorded meeting, they're telling their supporters about the cohesion they've created with the commissioners. She says this. She's addressing a guy named Mark. Okay, and this she says this, Mark, everyone, it's fine, let them do that. The commissioners know that that is coming. I have run through every single scenario of things that might hit them, including children coming up there in crying and saying this is their favorite thing to do with their dad, or all of those pieces everything that will be thrown at them. They know that all of that is coming, and they are aware. They are aware to be prepared for anything. We will be your consistent and reliable support. So she's explicitly confirming that she is pre briefed Colorado Park and Wildlife commissioners on the content of public testimony. They will hear. Okay, She's like, they're gonna tell you this, They're gonna tell you that. She also says she's telling she's telling a person in this little secret community. She's telling them. She's coaching them on what to say in the commission meeting. She says, I think you can say support this petition and these people are obviously commercialized, commercializing wildlife, and that's the end of your comments. I think that if that's going to be your reason, Michelle, just show up and say I support the petition and know that I have one of the commissioners prepared to address that that is very interested in that point you brought up and is planning to talk about it. Okay, So here they are planting a comment and planting a commissioner who's ready to address the comment. She says this, we have been directed from the governor's office. Don't let us be shown up in Denver. This is the next meeting. It will be in Grand Junction. It's like quote inside of quote, this is the governor talking. It's like, you guys are in Denver. Don't let them show you up in Denver. So here directly conveying that they're taking their charge. They're taking their they're marching on behalf of the Governor's office, the governors. It's it's planned. Anyways, what's next? 01:02:43 Speaker 4: What's next? May sixth and seventh in Grand Junction when the vote takes place, Like you're in Colorado, so stupid, go raise some hell on Grand Junction when they have this this next vote. 01:02:55 Speaker 5: The days after sincod Mile, that's right, and May who know? And those days after sinking to Mile. 01:03:03 Speaker 4: That's a real fantastic expose there. 01:03:06 Speaker 1: Steals report. Yeah, it's like sixty it's like listening to sixty minutes or something. 01:03:12 Speaker 10: But one of the most sixty minutes, one of the most agreeable close to sixty minutes. One of the most egregious things she said. I'm just paraphrasing. Maybe you can find the exact quote, Steve, but it was something about like Colorado Parks and Wildlife's goals to make money, and they make money by selling tags and fishing license and stuff. Those agencies are not money making operations, like they're money losing operations. 01:03:38 Speaker 1: In fact, it's like because it's because it's this constant thing of like there's this constant thing of like you delegitimize the it's you delegitimize the agency. In people's eyes, it's that the agency is bad. They want to kill everything off. They're just there to make money. You like delegitimize the agency and delegitimize the agency. 01:03:58 Speaker 10: But the way she framed it is though they're like you know, carrying around money bags from licensed sales, and usually it's the other way around that, like they need to take money from other parts of the state to fund this sort of thing. In Montana, like we have what is a twenty percent marijuana tacks that supports our public lands. So there's an example of where like we're going to take money out of this bucket because you know, our Parks and Wildlife and Division needs that kind of funding. 01:04:25 Speaker 1: That's how you know these people aren't true to mission, because if they're a true to mission, they'd be working on an alternate funding mechanism. I looked at like what Minnesota has, Like what Missouri has. 01:04:34 Speaker 10: Their mission is to perpetuate the wildlife resources of the state, to provide a quality state park system, and to provide enjoyable and sustainable outdoor recreational. 01:04:42 Speaker 4: App That's FWP's mission. 01:04:45 Speaker 1: No Colorado's Yeah, yeah, oh are say they other thing again? 01:04:50 Speaker 10: To perpetuate the wildlife resources of the state, to provide a quality state parks system, and to provide enjoyable and sustainable outdoor recreation opportunity. They're not a money making organized there jingle. 01:05:03 Speaker 1: That's why you see those those game wardens walking around with gold teeth and stuff. 01:05:07 Speaker 7: Yeah. 01:05:08 Speaker 5: Well, they get their their tag sail bonuses every fall. 01:05:12 Speaker 4: When they roll up to you, they get their keys out the water cash falls on the ground. 01:05:18 Speaker 1: All right, I'm done with that. 01:05:20 Speaker 4: You're done, I guess that, am I next? I'm serious though, And if you're in Colorado, I'll go to Grand Junction on May six and seven and make some noise. 01:05:31 Speaker 1: I think the whole thing's gotta go away. It's so funny. 01:05:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's hope. So let's hope. So let me find where I'm at. What am I talking? 01:05:39 Speaker 1: And we are going to do a follow up about this commission because the Washington Washington commissions where she worked too, they got commissions under investigation for destroying government. 01:05:49 Speaker 4: Probably to find out the other state. She's been talking to commissioners and there's gotta be more. Okay, I'm gonna talk about some federal concervation funding. Steve sent an email the other day to me and Krin which is like, hey, here's some good news, which is which is great, but there's also some bad news. The good news is on April twenty fourth, you might have been in DC for the TRCP thing when you sent this to US Department of Agriculture's Natural Resources Conservation Service. I'm going to talk more. 01:06:23 Speaker 1: About that, better known as the NRCS, and now it's. 01:06:27 Speaker 4: The availability availability of fifty two million dollars to increase hunting and fishing access through the Voluntary Public Access and Habitat Incentive Program. So that's great money going going towards like public access to private property. A lot of hopefully a lot of farmers and ranchers will enroll in that program and and get more people, you know, access to good hunting grounds. 01:06:52 Speaker 5: Let me see the hip. Kids call it VPA hip. 01:06:55 Speaker 1: Yep, so they just like to say hip. 01:06:57 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:06:58 Speaker 4: This represents the largest single investment and VPA hip since its creation in two thousand and eight, and the first opportunity for new funding since twenty nineteen. Really yep, so uh seventy percent low. Forty eight states are in private ownership. Sportsmen and women are relying on private lands for hunting and outdoor recreation opportunities, and this helps address that by opening up, hopefully opening up a significant number of acres to hunting and fishing. So that's the good news. Unfortunately, that same day I got some bad news. In twenty twenty seven, the following cuts, conservation cuts will be made to various agencies in the federal government. Three hundred million from the. 01:07:49 Speaker 1: US These yeah, these are these are There's a lot of haggling left to happen. These are proposed cuts. Yes, yeah, this is like an initial offer right now, fifty two mills. 01:08:00 Speaker 4: Either way, it's not great news. 01:08:01 Speaker 1: No, No, it's not going to end that. What I'm saying, there's a lot of fighting. There's a lot of fighting left to be done here. 01:08:08 Speaker 4: Three hundred million from the USGS Ecosystem Management Program. That's the entire budget. All of the BLM's wilderness budget will go to management budget. It'll be real allocated to land use projects like energy production, primarily energy production. One hundred and five million dollars will be cut from the National Wildlife Refuge System, forty million from the North American Wetlands Conservation Act, which is eighty percent of their budget, eleven million from Migratory Bird Management Program. The entire US Fish and Wildlife Services Science Application budget of thirty million dollars will be cut. All US Fish and Wildlife Service funding for state and tribal grants will be cut. BLM staff will be cut by an additional twenty seven percent. It's over two thousand full time positions. The USDA's Natural Resources con Conservation Service, which we just talked about eliminating that and eliminating the Forest Service entire Forest and Rangeland Research Division. 01:09:20 Speaker 1: A lot of fighting. 01:09:21 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, keep your eyes open. 01:09:25 Speaker 1: That's like someone going like I'll give you a dollar for your car, you know. But yeah, I mean it's it's bad. 01:09:33 Speaker 4: And that's only part of the list. If you want to check out the list in detail of these proposed cuts, go to uh the Wildlife Society's web page, which is, well. 01:09:42 Speaker 1: It'll it'll be bad. It'll it'll it'll be bad. I don't know, it'll be bad. Yeah, it'll be. But there's a there's a lot. 01:09:50 Speaker 4: If it's for twenty seven, you know, let's hopefully get through the next round of elections and then we'll see what happens for twenty seven. I don't know. 01:09:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, we might return into just like pure gridlock where nothing. 01:10:02 Speaker 4: Happens, right, which is good, Yeah, is good. 01:10:05 Speaker 10: Just quiet now that the DOI was already like such a tiny piece of the pie that you know, they're gonna cut it so much where there's like no pie left for them anymore. 01:10:15 Speaker 4: Oh, the interior being Yeah, when you see these budgets getting cut from whatever it was to nothing like basically eliminating at a. 01:10:22 Speaker 5: Party, just zeroing out. 01:10:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you'll often bring in people to eliminate their own program, you know. 01:10:30 Speaker 4: I mean the fact that we just were bragging about how the conservation service is going to create it's fifty million bucks for more access, but then they want to get rid of the conservation services, like. 01:10:42 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be a messy process. 01:10:45 Speaker 5: Interior is less than one percent. It's almost half a percentage of the twenty six budget. 01:10:51 Speaker 10: And they were taking some of those things and eliminating them by one hundred percent. 01:10:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all I got. 01:10:59 Speaker 1: So the chimpanzee there in a war. 01:11:00 Speaker 5: A little change of pace here, a little change of pace here. And I apologize to people that have been waiting for the segment because we're going to run it last week, you know, and then other bad stuff happened. 01:11:12 Speaker 1: So the kind of thing, it just gets bumped. Yeah, well, don't get it right now. 01:11:16 Speaker 5: Please don't put a lot of work into this. There's a paper published earlier this month in the journal Science that got a lot of popular attention in New York Times and PRBBC picked us up. It's based on thirty years of observation and it documents an eight year what they described as a civil war among the largest community of chimpanzees in the world. It's about two hundred individuals. 01:11:44 Speaker 1: And that's a big town. 01:11:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so they I mean, this is a group of chimpanzees that that they sort of there were two sort of factions within the larger community, and they they groomed one another and made it with one another and socializable one another. And then over the course of eight years they split apart. They began to occupy different territories, and they started raiding one another and killing first adults but then infants from the other from the other groups. So this is the first time. According to the paper's abstract, group conflict among non human animals is well known. However, lethal conflict among groups of animals that were once socially affiliated has not previously been observed outside of humans, in whom cultural ideology can drive divisions among individuals within the same group. These findings indicate that group identities can shift and escalate into lethal hostility in one of our closest living relatives in the absence of cultural markers often thought necessary for warfare. 01:12:44 Speaker 4: Is it, randall, Kanniner? Is this like a bad blood thing or is it like a competition for resources? Well? 01:12:50 Speaker 5: Phil, would you we have we do have a we do have a resource here from the front lines. 01:12:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, someone reported in the War Reporter. 01:13:00 Speaker 11: My dearest Bubbles, I write to you from beneath a forced canopy that no longer feels like home. The rainy season has come and gone eight times now since I last held your hand, and still this ruinous conflict shows no signs of relenting. What once seemed a temporary rift among brothers now portends. As the primatologists say in a permanent vision of our community, the western forcesm go go, press on with a ferocity that defies comprehension. Twenty eight of our number have now fallen, twenty eight souls. The reports from the front are not fit for juvenile eyes. Ship genitals torn from the chimp genital places. How awful that the opposable thumbs we have been blessed with by our creator are now used for such unspeakable acts. The men now whisper of infants struck down in their innocence. The white tufts of hair on their rumps will never darken, as they typically do among our kind in their fifth year of life. At night, when the moon hangs low over the forests of Kibale, I close my eyes and I am home. I hear the screeches of our brood, and I feel your sagital crest under my elongated fingers, our family swinging peacefully amongst the trees in a behavior known as brociation. In those moments, I imagine that none of this is real. I am merely living in a nightmare of war, and I shall awake with you lying in the dirt beside me. First Sergeant Knuckles, Third Canopy, Regiment Central, and go, go Forces. 01:14:44 Speaker 6: My goodness, you guys need to wash this on YouTube. 01:14:50 Speaker 1: We need to send that to Ken Burns. 01:14:52 Speaker 4: That's Barge. 01:14:53 Speaker 1: I've been on the podcast. 01:14:54 Speaker 4: I gave Barge a. 01:14:56 Speaker 5: Preview and he said, we need to send this to Ken Burns. 01:14:59 Speaker 4: Yeah. I've been thinking about doing that. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: I'm going to send that to him. 01:15:02 Speaker 5: I've been thinking about doing that ever since I read this headline and Phil and I made it happen this morning does. 01:15:08 Speaker 1: A wonderful report. 01:15:10 Speaker 4: Thank you. 01:15:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to watch it again. I was so blown away by the concept. 01:15:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. I really wanted to do that, and film made it happen. So thank you to you, Phil. I appreciate this. Is this so this story is actually pretty wild. Based on genetic evidence, they believe that chimpanzee communities split apart every five hundred years. It's a pretty rare thing, but basically. 01:15:32 Speaker 1: What communities split apart every five years? Yes, they so. 01:15:38 Speaker 5: Like in twenty fifteen twenty fourteen, some of the older chimps got sick and some of the alpha males like they were in among the central group, the out going and in gooing alpha male like the alpha male got sick. Another guy took his place. But the new guy that took his place had actually been born into the other their faction, and then he took over the dominance hierarchy of the central group. So it all kicked off. When a group of them encountered, they encountered each other in the forest instead of socializing. The researchers saw that the one group went silent and hid, and the other ones looked for them and then chased them. And then over the two years after that, they kept distancing geographically and socially, and then they just started killing each other. They made the Western chimps made six lethal attacks into Central territory, and then they started killing infants. In twenty twenty one, they killed seventeen infants and another fourteen chimps from the Central faction have disappeared, their bodies are never found, and so essentially, like the takeaway is that they they've tried to explain this by their hypothesis is that there were certain key figures that kind of bridged the communities. These older male chimps were kind of intermediaries and they maintained relations, and when these older older males got sick. 01:17:07 Speaker 1: Like the statesman, the older statesman died, yeah. 01:17:09 Speaker 5: Exactly and prevailed. 01:17:11 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:17:12 Speaker 5: So basically what they're saying is like you can have a big conflict spill out from individual interactions report. 01:17:20 Speaker 1: You know, dudes like American dudes will show up and fighting in Ukraine. I might try to get in on this war. Yeah, Yeah, what side would I want to be on? Who's winning scent? 01:17:32 Speaker 7: Uh? 01:17:32 Speaker 5: Western seems to be the aggressors. 01:17:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to be on. I want to be on the winning side of that, because last thing I want is for them chimps to get ahold of me. 01:17:39 Speaker 4: And then there's there's another ones. 01:17:41 Speaker 5: The other really interesting thing is that in the nineteen seventies there is an episode called the Gombey War, which Jane Goodall observed. But there are doubts as to whether this is a natural behavior because quote, these chimps were eating bananas given to them by humans. Got so they're wondering if that was like a jealousy resource. And the lead author of this paper says. 01:18:02 Speaker 1: Go to a bunch of little kids and give one of them banana. Yeah, exactly. 01:18:05 Speaker 5: He says, this is the first time you can definitively say that there is a rift in this chimp community that's basically driven by the chimps themselves. 01:18:15 Speaker 1: So when you first told me some months ago that you were a big eight guy, yeah, and I didn't think you were, Remember I called you out on it. Yeah, I think you've proven yourself. Okay, thank you. 01:18:27 Speaker 10: What does a frontline conflict look like? Are they like strangling each other? Are they clubbing each other? 01:18:32 Speaker 1: You don't know about this, No, I don't photographer on the podcast that photographs chimps killing each other. 01:18:39 Speaker 4: They put on hunts for other moment. 01:18:43 Speaker 5: They they ripped their genitals off And do you just listen to this to Ken Burns thing I did. Yeah, like they they attack their faces and their genitals and. 01:18:54 Speaker 1: You don't want to get involved one of them chimp boys? 01:18:56 Speaker 5: No, No, So that's what I got. 01:19:00 Speaker 2: That was brilliant, A lot of war out. 01:19:03 Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you, it's great. Yeah, man, I had a lot of fun with that. Thank you, great job. I'll send it to him. Yeah, please do. I'd love to get his thoughts. Not a season to sist. 01:19:17 Speaker 4: You got a big spencer. 01:19:21 Speaker 10: I had no video for mine, but Phil does have some imagery. Hippos are, of course native to sub Saharan Africa. There's about one hundred and fifty thousand of them living on the continent, but there are also about two hundred hippos that call South America home, and they are a huge headache for wildlife biologists in Colombia. Now, before we get to those problems, let me tell you how they got there. It's nineteen eighty one. Drug lord Pablo Escobar visits wildlife breeding facilities in the United States in search of his next exotic pets. His hacienda in northwest Colombia. It's already housing elephants, giraffes, rhinos, ostriches, zebras, kangaroos, lions, tigers, panthers, lamas, antelope, dolphins, and more. There's just one thing missing, Yeah, one thing. It's gonna take his personal zoo to the next level hippos. 01:20:13 Speaker 1: If I cold get arrested, I hope I look as self satisfied as that. 01:20:24 Speaker 3: Looks like a man on spring break. 01:20:27 Speaker 10: So Pablo is in search of hippos. He goes to America and that's what he finds. Pablo winds up bringing home four hippos. Three of them are females, one is a male. It's unclear what the source of the hippos is, but historians believe they came from a private dealer in either Dallas or California. That's roughly where they've been traced to. 01:20:47 Speaker 5: If I may, the gate to his zoo here bears an uncanny resemblance to the architecture of Jurassic Park. Even the font yeah, the one in the background. 01:21:00 Speaker 1: That and he stole that airplane idea from Uncle Ted inspiring striped airplane inspiring stuff. 01:21:07 Speaker 10: Okay, that was nineteen eighty one. He finds his four hippos. Let's fast forward to nineteen ninety three. Pablo Escobar has been on the Lamb for sixteen months after escaping prison. Eventually, in December of that year, he's gunned down by Colombian special forces while attempting to flee across a rooftop, Pablo takes bullets to the leg, torso, and head and is pronounced dead at the scene. It's the day after his forty fourth. 01:21:30 Speaker 1: And then those American DEA agents did gripping grins with them. 01:21:34 Speaker 10: Yeah, I considered putting that in there. Those pictures are all over the internet. There's like fourteen dudes standing with his mutilated. 01:21:42 Speaker 1: It's like guys in Arizona when they get out. 01:21:45 Speaker 10: It's exactly like that on the roof. 01:21:47 Speaker 1: One of them gets it where he was killed. 01:21:50 Speaker 10: So in the aftermath of his death, the zoo is closed and wildlife officials start to relocate his animals. Almost everything finds a new home at a new facility, besides four creatures his hippos. This is because during the rehoming process, officials said the hippos were just simply too aggressive, too dangerous, and too difficult to move, so they left them there well. At some point in the nineteen nineties, the hippos take it upon themselves to find a new home, and they break out of the zoo and escape to the nearby Magdalen Megdalena River, serving as the founding population for South America's cocaine hippos. 01:22:27 Speaker 1: That's how that happens. 01:22:28 Speaker 5: How it happened. 01:22:28 Speaker 10: I tried to find more specific details on their escape, like how did they get out of their enclosures, but nothing exists. They just gout out on their own at some point in the nineteen nineties. Now, by two thousand and seven, those four hippos turned into sixteen. By twenty fourteen, those sixteen turned into forty. By twenty nineteen, those forty turned into one hundred twenty. And that brings us to today, where it's estimated that there is a population of two hundred. 01:22:57 Speaker 1: They all have the say, they all have the same great, great, great great. 01:23:01 Speaker 10: They all came from those four founding male cocaine hippos. Their growth is like Seth's baby at this point, it just cannot be stopped. Biollo just speculated at this rate the hippos will exceed one thousand in the next decade. 01:23:15 Speaker 1: Wow. 01:23:16 Speaker 10: Yeah, So what problems do they create? Well, for starters, two hundred hippos, they take up a lot of space and a lot of food. They're displacing native faunas such as manatees. Otters came in in turtles. The hippos also increasing the nutrient levels in the water, which might sound like a good thing, but this burst of hippo fertilizers actually creating enormous LGA blooms, which in turn trigger other die offs. And then there's just the sheer mass of the hippos is literally changing the waterways there. Their wallows are now filling up with water and creating side channels and ponds that otherwise did not exist. You know, they're totally scar in the lands. 01:23:51 Speaker 4: Real dangerous. Have they killed anyone Columbia. 01:23:54 Speaker 10: There has been pretty minor conflict so far. I could not find that they've had interactions with humans. We'll get to some of that in a second here. Some folks do argue that the hippos are actually doing more good than harm. Locals have reported that illegal dynamite fishing is at an all time look because poachers are simply scaredos. That's right, So there's there's some good. This story is also benefit of interest to proponents of the Place to Scene Rewilding project, which advocates for reintroducing megafona to places where they're missing. In this case, the African hippo is taking the place of toxidons, which are a hippo like creature that when extinct about twelve thousand years ago. 01:24:36 Speaker 4: We're looking at one of them here. 01:24:38 Speaker 10: But for the most part, it's agreed upon that having these hippos is not sustainable and something needs to be done. In twenty twenty, they tried castrating the hippos, which was a ton of work and costs about fifty thousand dollars per hippo. That was a short lived effort that they did one singular hippo and this is not fifty the end, fifty grand to castrate one hippo that they then let go. 01:25:03 Speaker 5: I'll a shot. 01:25:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, how about you giving you fifty grand? I just promise, promise. 01:25:11 Speaker 10: In twenty twenty one, they explored sterilizing the hippos with the vaccine, but that got litigated to hell and it quickly fell out of favor. In twenty twenty three, a trap and transfer program was pitched that will place these hippos and zoos across the world, but so far that hasn't gone anywhere. And then earlier this month, Colombian officials approved a euthanasia program that aims to eliminate eighty hippos from the herd. It remains to be seen if and win that plan will go into action. And then the most recent development comes from twenty four hours ago, which is when Indian billionaire an Umbani made a formal request to the Colombian government to let him take some of the hippos. This just happened yesterday. He's offering to foot the three point five million dollar bill to have eighty of them relocated to his wildlife preserve in India. It's considered the world's biggest animal rehabilitation center. It's called Ventara. It's already home to two hundred and fifty leopards, nine hundred crocodiles, two hundred lions, one hundred and sixty tigers, and fifty bears. 01:26:12 Speaker 3: Oh mind. 01:26:12 Speaker 10: There is no word yet on if the Columbia is going to agree to his ambig. 01:26:16 Speaker 1: But you got to bring in some some serious heart hitting wranglers. 01:26:20 Speaker 10: I mean, that's why it's gonna costa Then you got to get all the way across a damn. 01:26:26 Speaker 1: Cody Farion level kind of stuff. 01:26:29 Speaker 6: Manire the buyers, the son of the richest man in Asia. 01:26:35 Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, yeah, So this this has been on the pod that's been simmering in Colombia for like a decade, but now it feels like it's boiling because they keep reproducing. 01:26:45 Speaker 4: It's such an insane rate. 01:26:46 Speaker 1: That's hell report. 01:26:48 Speaker 6: That's a great breaking news hit too. 01:26:50 Speaker 1: Thank you. 01:26:51 Speaker 5: We saw a hippo skull at the Museum of the Rockies. That was one of the wild I've seen, one of the wildest things I've ever looked at. 01:27:00 Speaker 1: So you know how I'm like an expert on Africa. Yeah, well here's what I heard. When they hunt those hippos, Uh, you'll shoot them like you hang out or they're gonna pop up and they'll shoot him and the hippo sinks. You just hang out and wait till it bloats and mmmm, it'll surface. Is that ours hours? 01:27:25 Speaker 10: Like? 01:27:25 Speaker 1: Think about how a deer like if you don't if you find a deer like an hour later, it's sort of you know, you hang out for a couple hours and he rises up to the surface with bloated gas. Then you got to pick someone. And no one wants this job swimming out there and getting a rope on it, because crocodiles not a job anybody wants. It's getting a rope on it. And then you drag it up to the beach. 01:27:47 Speaker 10: It's how we've solved dynamite fishing in there. 01:27:50 Speaker 1: So report, My god, man, there should be like an award I would. 01:27:56 Speaker 5: Like to remind everybody about. 01:28:00 Speaker 1: But he's got like the I mean he didn't make a documentary. 01:28:03 Speaker 10: Yeah no, I just I'll give my prize to Randall. 01:28:07 Speaker 5: Oh no, you don't have. 01:28:07 Speaker 1: To do that. 01:28:08 Speaker 5: I don't have to do that. 01:28:09 Speaker 3: You're prematurely accepting the prize. I appreciate. 01:28:12 Speaker 6: Okay, sure, this report is more like a little brief PSA. If anyone has plans to visit the Great Smoking Mountains National Park, please be bear wears the other weekend that there were six separate black bear related incidents in various areas of the park, which is amazing. 01:28:34 Speaker 1: Six separate. 01:28:35 Speaker 6: Yeah, well some of them was with the same bear, but yeah, six incidents, and so this park runs across incidents. 01:28:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, not like someone got scratched. 01:28:47 Speaker 6: Well no, I mean something got bit Oh okay, yeah, so so it there are a couple of different things that happened. But yeah, so this if anyone doesn't know where Great Smoking Mountains National Park is, it spans part of eastern Tennessee into western North Carolina and as of now it seems that most of these areas have reopened, but they were closed for a couple of days and then reopened with no bear activity. But the following UH incidents were reported. So two bears approached visitors and stole backpacks, and a third bear displayed aggressive behavior and chased off a group of visitors. Then there was a an aggressive bear involved in three incidents at the same location, the same bear and one UH one instance is that a bear, this bear actually bit a visitor who had gone into an area that was restricted and closed. So that is kind of I think more action than we've seen recently. And there are nineteen hundred, approximately nineteen hundred black bears in that park, and this is the time where mama bears are coming out of dens with their cubs and there are a lot of visitors. 01:30:18 Speaker 4: I was I was reading Krinn Gatlinburg's like right next to the park, right there, Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and they like they have a bad urban bear like they think the park is like helping to create this urban bear problem. 01:30:34 Speaker 1: Tennessee is in the top five bear tech states. Yeah, but when you look at it, it's like one of those things where five is not You're getting down to a very small number, meaning you look at like Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, you know, you're up in the teens or whatever, and then by the time you get down to number five, you're down to like two or three. But it's still number It's still within top five bear tech states. 01:30:57 Speaker 4: But it makes sense because you know, smoking Mountain ash parks like surrounded by millions of people, so it's like the most visited national park. You know, that's gonna all those bears are going to spill over, you know. 01:31:08 Speaker 6: I tried to find out if any of those bears had been euthanized, and I didn't find information that they had been captured or euthanized, but on the NPS website it stated that if they're dangerous, they will euthanize black bears. 01:31:29 Speaker 1: We're going to close out with a story from Gabon say Gabone, I think it's Gabone Gabone, which Brody says, phenomenal fishing. 01:31:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go. I wanted to go. 01:31:44 Speaker 1: I want to go there. I want to go there because it's like it's like jungle. 01:31:47 Speaker 4: You know, but they got nice beaches there too. 01:31:50 Speaker 1: Uh, so a hunter from California was killed there. It's important to point out here the hunter that was killed there and an American, you know, a guy for California was there in a big game hunting dikers, yellow backed dikers. Okay, but he was killed by elephants. The party is hunting party. They ran across a group of five elephants. They were trampled and he got gored by a female elephant. So it's, you know, a tragic thing. It happens. I remember, like last year, the year we were in Africa filming. I remember two Americans got killed by Kate Buffalo that year. I guess it's still the same year now or is it a different year now. It's a different year now. Yeah, an American killed by an elephant hunting there. But the coverage on its is very predictable. Ricky Gervais like big p to guy. He's glad, like he says, the best thing is they'll never forget it. But it's like he wasn't even he was hunting elephants. He was hunting dikers. But it's like celebrated. What's also funny, he's like people had this happens every time something happens in Africa is the amount of money that the individual is worth becomes a big part of the story. So it's like he was killed, but a millionaire was killed in Africa, so people are like thank god, Yah, thank god it wasn't a guy with less money. 01:33:21 Speaker 4: You don't see a headline like blue collar hunter escape's elephant in Africa. 01:33:26 Speaker 1: No, it's it's just it's like weird. They always that's like, always a point. It's always a point because you're like millionaire US big game hunter trampled to death by elephants. Well hunting in Central Africa, especially if it's British coverage, they really like to Yeah, they're the ones that named Brian Harmon Brian the Butcher because he likes to hunt deer with the golfer dude hunting all over the place. But yeah, man always gets covered that way. The only thing that you can do if the only thing worse if you are a if you if something happens to you in Africa and you're a rich white guy. The only thing worse than being a rich white guy would being an attractive young woman. That especially infuriates people. Remember that young woman killed that lion and They're like, oh, I was hoping to be a rich white guy. It's an attractive young woman. The outrage outrage, It's like they get more mad. 01:34:37 Speaker 5: What's this fellow's name, Ernie Docio, Ernie Docio, I don't know. 01:34:45 Speaker 1: Big game Unter killed in Africa by an elephant. 01:34:51 Speaker 6: Seventy five years old, has family outliving him. 01:34:54 Speaker 9: It's sad. 01:34:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we wishould end on a half or no, what's something we could do that was like a happier note. I would play that Seth had a new bandy. 01:35:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, let's just say we played the chimp video again with. 01:35:08 Speaker 1: Its white with death, there's life. 01:35:10 Speaker 5: You know, how's Kelsey doing on your first day back? 01:35:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's end happy. 01:35:14 Speaker 3: Oh she said he's he won't go down for a nap and he's grasp today. 01:35:18 Speaker 1: So well, I said, the end on a happit. 01:35:20 Speaker 3: I know he's cute as hell. 01:35:22 Speaker 1: He's cute. That's it lates gentmostests new baby's cute looking a new show