00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show everyone. This week we're covering how Randall does not understand sports after all. We're gonna talk about yet another Forest Service management controversy. We're gonna get into what tracking collars can tell us about bobcats, some things about lost arrow etiquette, more on the Catalina Island mule deer eradication program. And Alaska announces a mountain lion season. Of all things, all they need now are mountain lions. Well that's not true, because they've maybe got a couple mountain lions. But they got a mountain lion season, plus a whole lot more. But first our news and pull up the pictures pill. You can pick whateveryone you want. 00:00:42 Speaker 2: M hm, which you ever want too much? 00:00:46 Speaker 1: Oh? He's going with that one. Check this out. This is just this is a couple of days ago. 00:00:50 Speaker 3: What do we see? 00:00:51 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll tell you what funny you ask. So I was down with my friend Mercer LNG in northern Arizona and Mercer was a lifelong bobcat trapper. He used to be a bobcat foot trapper in the Mojave Desert. When California banned foot trapping, Mercer invented his own cage trap, and he started a cage trap business and became a bobcat cage trapper. Then California banned cage trapping, so now he takes his business elsewhere. But he became so skilled at capturing bobcats that he is the go to guy when you want to do a bobcat collaring project. So when researchers want to put a tracking collar on a bobcat, that's your man. That's how you're gonna catch him. He's got good stories. That's not an easy thing to do, and so his expert his expertise is for hire to come in. So he's not working on a program. Here they got here. What we're doing is I packed that cage trap? I say packed. We're not too terribly fire from the truck. 00:01:53 Speaker 4: Oh I couldn't even tell it's on your back I thought you were just standing in front of it. 00:01:56 Speaker 2: Looks like it's up on that. 00:01:57 Speaker 1: No, it's not a backpack mount. I see this is on Saturday. No, yeah, Saturday. So that's on a backpack frame. And if you look, you'll see on and explain this. You see how there's a little white thing off of on lookers left of my head. There's a little white box. All right. So they have all these cats on collars, they cannot they will not share those waypoints. So he works on the project, but he does not have access to the waypoints. Okay, because you know, you think about like a guy could be tempted, Like, you know, let's just say, for instance, that bodcasts are going for a couple thousand bucks a pop. A guy might be like, yeah, I'd like to know where all those cats are with those collars. 00:02:42 Speaker 5: There's a project for Arizona fishing. 00:02:43 Speaker 1: Game, the state state project. So he doesn't get he does not He cannot log on and get access to the points. But they had a cat that's collar fell off. They want to get how's this going. Yeah, the cat's collar fell off. They want to get a particular cat back on collar. So they shared with him some old points. They're like, here's a couple honey holes that this cat likes. So we hiked up to one of these honey holes that the cat likes, and that little contraption we we went out and checked one of these. So that little contraption, when that door springs, that sends a signal. 00:03:27 Speaker 5: I had a question, and it hits his phone before you catch it. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: And once it hits his phone, the race is on. 00:03:31 Speaker 6: What's he is he baiting? Is he putting up like compact disc flashy? 00:03:35 Speaker 1: You want to know what use? So you're saying you want to know what that set is, I'll tell you about that set. That's he makes that trap that's a double door. So this cat has already been in single door cage traps. She's all done with traps. You don't like no kind of traps. No more is the feeling Mercer's getting. You only ask cats so many times to go through this. So that door is double door, so it's open door. So when we went up under that, right up under that that juniper behind me there, we went up in there and basically up against the rock wall with brush sort of made it like a very natural tunnel cave. Well no, because the cave is like dead end. So a normal cave trap, there's a back wall. This is a double door trap, which has its own limitations. It's not perfect, but in this case of a cat, that's like, yeah, I'm not doing that again. So we put it again in there and it's two doors open. Now the problem with two doors, and I think this is a bigger problem than Mercer does. He says, this is not actually a problem, and I've made it up my head. But so there's a door on each end, both spring loaded. Now picture that the cat who's already on like you know, they just like they're tight, they're wired tight. That thing hits that pan and the and like you know, this thing moves, that thing moves. That thing moves, I mean the trigger mechanism, like the pan moves, that pulls a wire that pops a trigger, right, and daring that this already high strung cat instead of him needing to do a one ages which in a single door trap, he's got a spin right, I'm like, what how is it that that thing doesn't already get the signal? It isn't already out that front door. And he says, He's like, you're making this up and freeze. He says it doesn't. He says, it works. I'll get to the set at a minute, not do the set right now. So we mound it. We put it in and along a very good like natural hunt thing that that's pulled packrat pack rat nests up an air sowoded in there hunting rabbits, hunting pack red news looks very natural. It's an open tunnel mounted it with brush, so it looks real natural under the pan in the center. He dug it out and he put two kinds of lure in there, two kinds of cat lure that he makes. He put cat droppings, bobcat droppings inside each door and then sprayed it with a mix signature blend of cat piss and rotten rattlesnake juice, which shot me in the face with. He's like, I'm sitting when we're rigging the setup. I'm sitting there helping rig the setup. And no sooner does he say, Hey, you're gonna want to move because you're not gonna want this on. And like it's sort of I like begin my emotion and I'm like you in the face, so move. I'm like, yeah, we didn't give time to move. 00:06:46 Speaker 6: Other than the rattlesnake juice. He's like, he's appealing, appealing to their like territoriality. 00:06:51 Speaker 5: It's not like food. 00:06:54 Speaker 1: It's all see talking to him, man, it's it's all curiosity. Now. He says, a cat in the north is on a different trip. A cat in the North is hungry. Desert cats they're interested in. They want to be they want to be intrigued. You're not gonna get them on like that. He's starving, because. 00:07:16 Speaker 6: There would like a couple of spots in Colorado word be out hunting like whatever cottontails in the winter and run across cage traps like this. They'd often have like Christmas tinsel. 00:07:28 Speaker 1: I'm not that far. We hung a on that juniper. Their lookers right side of that juniper. There's a big like purple feather pom pom that I hung there because in that way he could be up on the rim and see it up on the rim and then have a line of sight to that pom pom. And so two kinds of lure droppings rattlesnake juice, and then a visual some feather the visual attractor, some feather visual attractor inside the cage. When it pops, when that door goes down, it pulls a mag no, not a magnet, It pulls like a pin out of that box. That box. We went and checked one that had gotten tripped by another reason. But depending on the time of day, they want him out there right now, Like I was surprised one of his things tripped, and he's taking me to the airport and it was daytime and he couldn't get there for five hours. I'm like, what the hell's gonna happen tod in five hours? He's like, that don't fly, it's now. So he had to call someone. I'm like, nothing's gonna happen to that cat in five hours. But he's like, this is not how it works. Like when that signal goes, you go there. They don't want any risk of harm. Oh of harm. It gets too hot, it gets too stressed something and starts harassing it and stresses it. So it's like you you go, you're ready, you gotta be ready. You got ready to spring into action. Can you go to my other thing? Yes? 00:09:12 Speaker 3: Maybe, dude. 00:09:15 Speaker 1: He's my new favorite painting. What's it called. I didn't know this story, these two lions. This is all the story, the two lions. There's this whole story. Theodore Roosevelt commented on this. 00:09:31 Speaker 7: You didn't know that ghost in the darkness. 00:09:33 Speaker 1: They ate one hundred and forty people working on a rail line in Africa. They had to pause railroad construction because these lions got this. Paintings by John Banovitch. It's these lions eating a dude. You can, but it's beautifully There's a great movie. 00:09:50 Speaker 6: A great movie that plays fast and loose with the facts. 00:09:54 Speaker 1: Well, how do you need to get fast? 00:09:55 Speaker 7: I mean the facts they bring in like they bring in an American hunter audience. That's Michael Douglas. 00:10:04 Speaker 1: That's who gets stuff done. Man, you want something done. 00:10:09 Speaker 7: There's the one guy who always plays an imperious like British official. I don't know his name, but you recognize him. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: He's a he's a method, he's a character actor as a British official. 00:10:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's a quick read. 00:10:21 Speaker 2: It's a good Can we cover that movie? 00:10:24 Speaker 7: And I asked a trivia question about it radio. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: So if you want to see a painting, it is my new my new goal in life is to get a print, a big, nice print of these lines eating that dude's leg. If you want to see a painting, if you if you're listening, you want to see a painting type in Banovich B A N O V I C H. I met him. The reason I'm talking about this whole thing anyways, I just met him at the I met him. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: My question is why is the line on the left. What's up with his face? He's reacting to this. 00:10:58 Speaker 1: He's got lin diseasy, he's getting it is getting too close. He's styling it off actual cats. 00:11:03 Speaker 7: I read I read in the the description of it in the auction site, or I guess on his site that he saw the mounts of the cats and didn't think they were they were shoting good enough shape, so he visualized of the spirit of the cats, well other cats. 00:11:19 Speaker 6: If I'm remembering correctly, it was two males that for some reason didn't have manes. 00:11:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say that they weren't getting any play. 00:11:28 Speaker 5: Started focusing on people. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: One hundred and forty people. Teddy Roosevelt thought it was a cool story. Oh, anyways, Banovich meat Man eaters of Tsavo t s a v Oh. That is a painting. That's a painting. I'd like to wake up that every day. If I brought that panty home, I was like, what do you like about it? The foot? 00:11:50 Speaker 2: The foot, Okay, that's what I thought. 00:11:52 Speaker 1: The foot, it's. 00:11:53 Speaker 5: Very very the human correct foot. 00:11:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, the foot is pain but I feel like feet are hard. 00:12:01 Speaker 6: I feel like you should have got a little thigh bone in the middle of the No, dude. 00:12:04 Speaker 1: You can't over in the hand if I was drunk. Here's why that painting is good. If I knew how to paint and I was painting that, i'd have a whole pile of dead guys. Yeah, I mean I'd overdo it. I'd overdo it. There'd be like dudes parts everywhere and everything. 00:12:17 Speaker 7: You know, the artistry is straight. 00:12:21 Speaker 1: That's what makes him good is he knows not to have a whole pile of guys. 00:12:25 Speaker 7: The first time I looked at it, I didn't see the foot. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes you thirty seconds. 00:12:29 Speaker 1: That's why he's a painter and I'm not. Yeah, I'm not. 00:12:33 Speaker 5: You should commission him to do something for you. 00:12:35 Speaker 2: But either either the human was small or those cats were just they're dude six, understand. 00:12:44 Speaker 3: I think like an there taxidermied at the Field Museum in Chugen. 00:12:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that they're not in great shape. Yeah that's a paint. Yeah, I would have had all one hundred and forty people piled up and like I just gone over. 00:13:01 Speaker 7: Over with an actual crown on his head. 00:13:04 Speaker 1: And knowing about my painting. Man with that painting, because you look at it and as you're like, oh my god, there's a foot in there, and it's a good foot. It's the green foot, you know. David Foster, the writer David Foster Wallace once wrote a piece about he profiled. He profiled David Lynch, and in his discussion of David Lynch was talking about Quentin Tarantino and he's talking about Tarantino's famous scene from Reservoir Dogs where a guy gets his ear cut off, and he's talking about David Lynch's famous scene where a man finds an ear. And he said the difference between David Lynch and Quentin Tarantino. Quentin Tarantino is interested in an ear getting cut off. David Lynch is interested in the ear. So it's just like a different that that's me and that painter, you know. 00:14:00 Speaker 4: Johnny hm hm oh what do I want? 00:14:04 Speaker 2: Need to talk about my volleyball tournament? 00:14:07 Speaker 1: No? Oh? The giveaway? Please don't give it. Your name is next to this. 00:14:13 Speaker 7: Down at the Real app. 00:14:14 Speaker 1: We'll give you a minute. Randall, do you know about this, Johanni? Never mind give away? 00:14:19 Speaker 3: You can do it quickly. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:14:21 Speaker 4: You can write a review on any turkey recipe. That one, that's what one you talk about yeah on the Meteor dot com. And then you're entered, uh to win a uh. 00:14:30 Speaker 2: Wild and Hoole cookbook. Easy peasy, but you gotta go. 00:14:35 Speaker 4: You gotta go make the recipe if you're gonna do a good job at doing this. 00:14:39 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, don't don't, don't, don't treat your don't just phone it in due. Yeah, but chance to win Wilderhole cook But when you go and do a deal. Okay, now, Randall's gotta plug something, all. 00:14:48 Speaker 7: Right, I need to plug this for my dear friend Kevin Monteeth, uh if he's been on the podcast twice correct, most recently maybe last year or so. He's a biologist uh at the University of Wyoming, teaches wildlife science and he's got a research becalls it the Monteeth Shop. It's like a research lab where they do all kinds of stuff on what we think of as big game, you know, like elk, dear moose, antelope. They do a lot of migration research and it's like very applied science. So they're doing a fundraiser banquet that's this coming weekend if you're listening to this when the show drops April eleventh, it's in Laramie. It's called Echoes of the Tracks and it's their annual fundraising event. Randy Neuberg will be there. He's speaking and they've got they've still got tickets available. So if you are in the Laramie area, go to Monteethshop dot org and then there's a little tab that says connect and you'll see Echoes of the Tracks. Or if you just google Monteeth Echoes of the Tracks, you can find all the info there. And then they also are doing a raffle with muly Fanatic Foundation for a Wyoming Commissioner's license, So that is a commissioner's license allows you to hunt deer, antelope, or elk. You pick a species in any unit that's open to hunting. 00:16:15 Speaker 1: So well they got their hands on that's good. 00:16:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wyoming. 00:16:18 Speaker 7: Wyoming supports a lot of cool like conservation groups with those commissioner's licenses. So there's this is called the seven seven two two zero Raffle, the seventy two twenty Raffle. If you google that you'll find it. And again they're drawing it the night of the banquet April eleventh, so get online and just you can google seven two two zero raffle and get yourself in there. Get yourself in there and support wildlife and wildlife research. 00:16:47 Speaker 1: Another thing they focus heavily on at the Monteeth Shop is the role of pre natal and natal uh what's the word nutrition. 00:17:02 Speaker 3: On? 00:17:03 Speaker 1: Let me back that up. They do a lot of work around how let's just look at it just strictly from antlers. When you see a big buck. They've done a lot of work in exploring explaining how that big buck, in some ways his bigness was determined while he was in the womb. The way in which uh cow el muldeer does. The condition they're in as they're carrying their baby says as much or more about the outcome of that baby than anything that happens in its own life. 00:17:42 Speaker 6: And you can also say a lot about the land that they're living on, right, Yeah, productive that landscape is. 00:17:48 Speaker 1: Those are phenomenal episodes and also talks a lot about when we say an area has When there's an area that produces a lot of big bulls or a lot of big bucks, hunters will say that area has great genetics. Mm hmm. He would argue, maybe I can tell you what it has for sure, though, is great nutrition and low stress fat mothers. You know, low stress, great nutrition. It's not a genetics thing. 00:18:13 Speaker 7: Yeah, So check out again montesshop dot org and you can find the link there for the for the event echoes of the tracks, and then you can also find this raffle. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: But April eleventh, there's only seven and fifty tickets. 00:18:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, but pretty much gonna win it for sure. 00:18:29 Speaker 7: Yeah, they've got there are quite a few for sale. Your odds will probably be better than that, better than one. 00:18:36 Speaker 1: And seven to fifty. 00:18:37 Speaker 7: How much they cost one hundred bucks or three hundred for five? 00:18:42 Speaker 1: Really something like that. Yeah, remind me after the show, I get in on that. I win that, sucker. 00:18:48 Speaker 7: Let's all get in on it, Philly, right for corrections. 00:18:51 Speaker 8: Isn't there one more thing to talk about? 00:18:53 Speaker 1: Nothing I'm ware of. Yeah, just minutes ago, you know how hot and fresh my cat update was. Yep, carrying that cat trap. This seems hotter and fresher because just minutes ago we wrapped our first So Doug during been on the show many times. Doug is behind like building a new organization called Sharing the Land. I'll be talking about this a lot more coming up. Sharing the Land is an organization that creates that pairs access seekers with landowners on the promise of the access seekers doing work, conservation work, whatever kind of things need to be done on the land. So it's not a cash exchange that happens, but it's a work that happens. It can be an number of the access seekers can come to maniforms, fishermen, hunters. They've even had an access seekers looking for a great place to walk a dog, and then they got a lot of landowners they're looking to have certain kinds of projects taken care of on their place. It's growing and we just had the very first just minutes ago. It became officially a nonprofit all in corporated and everything. I'm on the board and we just had our first board meeting. I'll be talking a lot more about that coming up. 00:20:06 Speaker 6: Well, you should at least tell people how like give them a website to go to if they're interested. 00:20:10 Speaker 1: In type up sharing the land. Yeah, go dig up, go dig up on sharing the land. We got all kind of ideas we're going to do to make that. 00:20:17 Speaker 5: Organization, make your kids do to hunt turkeys. 00:20:20 Speaker 1: He's already told me what they got to do this year. He's doing like a grasslands like sort of like a savannah restoration kind of deal. And they got to work on that this year. In the past they've had in the past they've had to burn, burn projects, all kinds of things. He puts them doing. So this week they're uh some stream side stuff. But this year it's working on his his open lands area. So this week corrections ready Phil corrections, corrections. Okay, all you boot wears out there. Sorry, This week the winter gets this the this week on corrections, the corrections winner gets a Moultrie Edge three pro trail camera and not just that, a one year subscription. So you get a a cellular camera and a one year subscription so you can run your camera, watch stuff, get your great pictures. I would advise you go set it by a beaver. Damn. That's what I like doing a bunch. But you put you put put a word to hell you want y'a. 00:21:29 Speaker 5: It's like setting it. 00:21:30 Speaker 6: So it doesn't take it pictures of anything but deer in turkeys. 00:21:33 Speaker 1: No, because he sends me pictures of bobcasts and fishers. 00:21:37 Speaker 4: It it depends on the camera. We have a lot of them set up. 00:21:42 Speaker 1: We set one out for bobcasts. Recently. Boy, we've got everything but down in Texas. You believe the stuff that walks by there, but no bodcasts. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: Did you see any pictures in me? 00:21:53 Speaker 1: No? I looked if we also have a little problem. We lost the camera. We waypointed where we like waypointed where we wanted to put it based off some information we had. Yeah, and so we waypointed where, and then we changed our mind and put it somewhere else. So like, hey on, he go, get my camera. It's over at this waypoint and yeah, and he goes. He's like, definitely no cameras. 00:22:17 Speaker 4: He sends me a picture and I'm like, send me a picture of what it's looking at. And there's grasp there's like one skinny little mesquite and I look at it. 00:22:28 Speaker 2: I look around. I go, oh, there's a ski little MISKI. I walk over there. I'm looking for the camera. I'm like, dang, I'll kind of look back. I'm like, oh, there's that mesquite. 00:22:35 Speaker 4: Walk over there in ten yards and then I see I see ten others mosquits. 00:22:39 Speaker 2: It looked just like it thought all right. 00:22:41 Speaker 1: So after he searched, I went in to see if I had any videos of him walking around, and I could hate to tell you we're even close. I did not catch you looking about. 00:22:52 Speaker 6: We gave it a college trap pictures from the camera that you don't know where it's at. Yeah, well that's going to be a bummer when you get It's gonna be hard to find. 00:23:00 Speaker 4: But oh I thought that. Now it depends on which model it is. But some of them are GPS enabled. 00:23:06 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what, why didn't we think of that when you were down there? 00:23:10 Speaker 2: It's not really my problem. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's acted a little bit like he wasn't gonna spend too much time on that issue either. We'll find it, Yeah, we'll use We'll use that. 00:23:21 Speaker 3: This camera does have GPS. 00:23:23 Speaker 1: Oh all right, sweet, plost a one year subscription. You'll be up and run and send us some cool pictures if you win. 00:23:30 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:23:31 Speaker 1: Okay, first off, oh, you know we wrote in okay, is this a correction? This thing about the goats? No. 00:23:42 Speaker 3: Basically, like about twenty five to thirty percent plus of the corrections came in commenting on your reading the numbers like that. 00:23:55 Speaker 1: They don't like it when you say one hundred and ten thousand. They want to be like when you write a chew it. 00:23:59 Speaker 3: Was, like you said, because I didn't go back to listen one hundred ten thousand, seven hundred and ninety five thousand dollars like you said, one thousand twice. So we've got so many nitpicks. 00:24:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, we brought it on ourselves. You know. 00:24:15 Speaker 3: That was like the largest number of corrections for that. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: Okay, so we got millions of corrections. We picked out three that we like. One is about how Randal don't know sports. 00:24:25 Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, there are a lot of these. Got a lot of messages the team here that answers these emails for quite a number of these to me. So in episode eight fifty three, I interviewed Will Cheddar from the University of Michigan basketball team, and afterwards, as sort of a throwaway line, just to gas up a friend of the program, I said, he's the hardest fishermen in college sports, the hardest fishing dude in college sports. Something like that, which is which is very subjective, very subjective. I'll know, when you say he's the coolest guy in town, no one turns to you and says, have you met everybody in town? You know, So as soon as I said that, actually this went through my head that there are college fishing teams. 00:25:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I chimed in and agreed with you, but I don't know what I'm talking about, and. 00:25:18 Speaker 7: Then I didn't know, and then I didn't know what else to say other than yeah, that's what I agree with. So anyway, with this email from Layton from Oklahoma got selected as the most I think articulate and well supported one. There are a lot of them that accused me of insulting college bass fishing teams. 00:25:39 Speaker 1: It's not even bringing them up. 00:25:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, one accused me of both omitting it and dismissing it, which I think is a contradiction in terms or overlooking it and dismissing it. So anyway, with the demands of tournament Layton rites with the demands of tournament play, regular season games, practices, and schoolwork, I respectfully disagree that will conclaim this idol. Dedicated college fishing athletes spend far more time on the water as a part of their actual sport. For instance, athletes like Garrett Smith of Lander University and his teammate Andrew Blanton have won back to back Strike King Bass Master College National championships. College bass teams compete in multiple events per season across the Bass Master College Series, with tournaments often spanning two days plus official practice periods, many teams fish ten to fifteen or more events annually, in addition to countless hours of off season practice, scouting, and travel all the way while maintaining full academic schedules. This level of on the water commitment easily surpasses what a student athlete in another sport, even one who fishes recreationally as much as Will can log. These college anglers truly embody what it means to be the hardest fishers in college sports. Keep up the great work on the podcast. I enjoyed every week. 00:26:48 Speaker 1: I don't know now, I kind of flip flopped on this one. You thought it was, well where did you start? You were wrong? But I'm like, these guys are just in it for the money. Learning for the money, dude. If someone, I mean chatter dude, is in it for the love, you know. 00:27:04 Speaker 7: I'm well aware of I'm well aware of college bass fishing competitions. When we were an arbor and Metwill, we went fishing with the University of Michigan fishing team. Will connected us with them because he fishes with us. 00:27:19 Speaker 1: That hard and harder than they do. 00:27:22 Speaker 7: Yeah, well, yeah, that's really what I intended to make on this podcast, was just a solid claim that will fish is harder than anyone instead of just sort of being a throwaway line. But in any event, yeah, as soon as I said this and we got like thirty seconds past it in the in the podcast, I thought, oh, maybe I should have said something about college. 00:27:44 Speaker 1: Bass fishing years well, but I. 00:27:46 Speaker 7: Didn't want to bring it back up. And if someone in the room had said, Randall, you're forgetting about college bass fishing, I wouldn't have fought them on it. I would have just said, you know what, you're right. But what I'm interested in highlighting is that a guy who's playing for the national championship tonight went fishing in between winning an Elite eight game and winning a Final four game. You know, Like I think it's I just meant to highlight that it's cool that he's fishing. And I also don't think vot I don't think that, And this is this is nothing against like my pushback here is nothing against college bass fishing anglers. I won't I don't want that to be misconstrued. But like, but I I don't think the time on the water is a measure of how hard one fishes. I think a retired dentist who fishes every single day of his life is not necessarily a harder guy, a harder angler than like somebody who works a ten hour shift and fishes two hours on the way home every single day. Like, I think there's some balance. I think, like when I talk about someone who hunts or fishes hard, I think about how they commit to it within the broader responsibilities of their lives. 00:28:56 Speaker 1: So so that's don't stay in corrected. 00:29:00 Speaker 7: No, I think I think it's a fine correction to highlight that there's competitive college bass fishing out there. 00:29:06 Speaker 1: Do they fish? 00:29:07 Speaker 7: I don't push back against that, but I think like taking yeah, like and Will has never claimed to be the hardest fishing guy. Again, this was just to throw away line, So I stand corrected, but but not but not fully. 00:29:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, what you're doing is you're doing one of those I like it too. I like to do this, I'm saying. Okay, so I'm wrong, But am I right? 00:29:35 Speaker 7: What I'm saying is like this, You know what I meant to say here, I was just meanting to highlight someone who excels in one area of life also being super passionately committed to fishing. 00:29:49 Speaker 1: Let's say there's a guy that works. 00:29:50 Speaker 7: Twenty I think as a community, who should celebrate that. 00:29:52 Speaker 1: Lit's this guy, it works twenty three hours a day. Yeah, he works a twenty three hour shift seven days a week, fishes one minute, and then when he has an hour, his when his shift ends. His shift ends at ten pm and he's due back at eleven pm. A lot of guys can go home and get like a check in on their wife, goodbye, take a nap. He goes out to the pond out back and just pounds water for one hour, and I'm like, that's the hardest fishing man out there. These guys would be like, who do there's a professional bass fisherman. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's not what I meant. 00:30:33 Speaker 7: And that's truly like I stand on that, Like, I don't think time on the water is the only measure of how hard. 00:30:41 Speaker 1: Somebody fishes if they're fishing yellow perch or something, but they're fishing bass. 00:30:46 Speaker 6: You could make the argument too, that that cheddar is all about doing it for the love of it. 00:30:51 Speaker 1: These guys, these are big, big high roller, big big, big money college Bass guys. I don't want to make any. 00:30:58 Speaker 7: Any excursions or or put anything else out there in the world that could be taken. 00:31:05 Speaker 1: Brody thinks the corrections is taking the whole show over. 00:31:08 Speaker 2: It is all right, number two. 00:31:10 Speaker 1: All right, here's a good one. For example, this is corrected. Oh, this is corrected. Me I screwed up well or not so. In episode eight fifty seven, at the end of spencer segment about the super bloom and Death Valley, Steve makes the statement that somewhere outside of Santiago, Chili is the driest place on Earth. I believe the area he is referring to is the Atacoma Desert. Correct, that's what we're referring to. He says, this has been referred to as the driest place on Earth. But that statement comes with an asterisk. Asterisk risk. I never say the ass because the full story is it is the driest. This this is a good correction. It's the driest non polar desert on Earth. Okay. They base the dryness of an area on its availability of liquid water, and there is a place that has less, and the Atacoma the average annual rainfall is about fifteen millimeters, with some areas receiving only one to three millimeters of annual precipitation annual rainfall. Meanwhile, the McMurdo Dry Valleys of Antarctica receive anywhere from five to one hundred millimeters per year, but that precipitation falls strictly as snowfall. Now, once you take into account the other factors such as temperature and humidity, that's when it becomes more clear the extreme cold and strong winds that sweet most snowfall that does occur leave no trace of water left. Some areas within the valleys have not seen liquid water in over two million years. On the flip side, the Atacama Desert also has the benefit of common chaka or coastal fog, adding a little humidity to the area. So, in short, well the Atacama Desert receives less precipitation than almost anywhere on Earth. It is still not considered the driest place on Earth. That belongs that title belongs to the McMurdo Dry Valleys. And then he has a nitpick where I say just outside of Santiago, Chile, and he points out that this is actually five hundred miles away. Whatever good correction that's a great correction. He didn't lay out his credit two. 00:33:46 Speaker 6: Million years go on, Oh, I got to talk about another dry place since Spencer's not here. 00:33:54 Speaker 1: This is real bad on Spencer, looks real bad. 00:33:56 Speaker 6: This is bad mass Spencer episode eight fifty. Spencer was setting up a discussion for the Death Valley super bloom and uh, when's he rolling. 00:34:07 Speaker 1: Me into this? 00:34:07 Speaker 6: I don't know why I'm gonna take you out of it because you didn't have nothing to do with it. Yeah, this was Spencer's deal, not Steve's. And Spencer mentioned that Death Valley was the former site of a lake, and he also mentioned at one point the lake used to be seven thousand feet deep, which is over a mile deep. 00:34:25 Speaker 1: Now this guy does a big old swing here in real sure. 00:34:29 Speaker 5: This is where this is? 00:34:30 Speaker 6: Like, you can't like, we can't argue with this guy after you read this part. As a geologist who studied the basin and range during my graduate years and currently studies plisis scene geology in the Upper Midwest, I knew immediately that this was right for a correction. So don't mess with this guy. Yes, there was a lake that existed across much of Death Valley during the place the scene based on its hydrology and lack of outflow. That's where Steve and I checked in. I think was that it's a dead end, Like, yeah, I don't know what I'm talking dead basin. However, that lake was never seven thousand feet deep even at its maximum. The lake that was referred to in the discussion is called Lake Manly, and it is still called that today when water accumulates in bad water basin core records in age dating from the Lowenstein that's the period. 00:35:20 Speaker 5: Of ten you want, do you need to explain that. 00:35:22 Speaker 6: No, that's he's sighting AA from Lowenstegin recognized two major periods of time when Death Valley had a perennial lake. The earliest was one hundred and eighty six to one hundred and twenty thousand years ago and the latest was thirty five thousand to ten thousand years ago, both periods where the climate was very cool and wet. The period from one to eighty six thousand to one twenty thousand years ago is believed to be when Lake Manly was at its largest and deepest extent at three hundred and thirty five meters or one thousand, ninety nine feet. While it is difficult to estimate the true depth of Lake Manly at its largest extent, it was definitely not seven thousand feet deep at any point. 00:36:03 Speaker 1: Big old correction, right Spencer's face, stump right into. 00:36:06 Speaker 5: His face, six thousand feet off, Spencer, you. 00:36:09 Speaker 1: Can still deep drop that lake. Oh yeah, that's like electric reel. That's like electric real country. No one wants to do that. 00:36:17 Speaker 7: Probably Spencer's not here to. 00:36:18 Speaker 1: I think he just meant you could deep drop it. 00:36:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's funny that Karinn laughed at your deep drop joke. 00:36:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, because we're going to do a whole We're. 00:36:27 Speaker 1: Gonna do a whole show dep drop boys. 00:36:29 Speaker 3: And then they're gonna do a whole music. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: Video dude, me and Seth show. We're gonna go to the gotten going yet looking for a sponsor. We go to the lower down and lower down a jig or like a bait, and people just tune in to see if we catch something. 00:36:49 Speaker 2: Now that expanded into the world. I'm intrigued. 00:36:52 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that trend. It's like, what is it now? Norwegian slow TV? 00:36:57 Speaker 1: That's what you're saying, because the first three episodes, is it gonna be? It could be going down the. 00:37:03 Speaker 3: Best idea, Like we've been talking about doing some kind of slow TV. 00:37:07 Speaker 7: It's basically just a show called do we have enough Line? A lot of f says you just don't have enough line. 00:37:14 Speaker 1: Okay, So the multi trail camera one year subscription, get all kinds of crazy photos you can send us. Uh. Hardest angler in college sports how many votes? 00:37:28 Speaker 2: Zero? 00:37:30 Speaker 1: H driest place on Earth? Four votes. It's already decided, but just for the hell of death Valley gets too votes might change my vote. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: No, if someon is like hyper credentialed versus if if it's if the audience member is a lay person who gets interested and inspired to do research, Like does that weigh how you? 00:37:59 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. 00:38:01 Speaker 2: I don't. 00:38:01 Speaker 1: I don't think it should be like picking your kid to win something. 00:38:04 Speaker 6: I just went based on the degree of the mistake. Just seemed more extreme than your mistake. 00:38:09 Speaker 1: Really extreme and a goofse on Spencer. 00:38:10 Speaker 7: So I like it, but you were the wrong content. 00:38:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's true. I was off y, you were more than six. 00:38:19 Speaker 2: We learned a lot from both. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: They were both good and they're at a common Dude had the double whammy where I also said it was. I don't know why, so it was just off the last Yeah, he had a double. Anytime he could have won, just off that. 00:38:31 Speaker 7: Anytime you can tell me something about Antarctica. I'm listening. 00:38:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was That was a great follow up fact. Uh Johnny seal Finger. 00:38:42 Speaker 3: Oh wait, so thanks Gabe to number two wins. 00:38:45 Speaker 1: Do we name their names? Because now people can. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Be Okay, Phil can bleep that out. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: Flight record. 00:38:55 Speaker 1: They're gonna want to put their cameras under his membership. Put my cameras under your spot blank. 00:39:04 Speaker 2: You don't have a spot that camera, I do? You know? 00:39:08 Speaker 4: Uh, seal Finger. In case you guys are still interested in that. 00:39:12 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:39:14 Speaker 4: This fellow wrote in to say that his dad's hand made the news show. He was really excited. Turns out that his dad has what he thinks is like the most maybe researched case of seal finger ever and the pictures that were taken are like constantly getting used on the internet, just having to be the one that Krin found or I don't know who found. 00:39:36 Speaker 1: It, pulled some random seal finger photo. He's listening and he's like, that sounds like my dad's hand. 00:39:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh yeah, so he sent in. They were very excited that their family is now part of the meat eater universe. Randall highlighted this piece in his letter that we all laughed about. He writes, I called Dad and told him about it. He couldn't laugh that hard because he had just broken his ribs from a normobiliing. This happened later that day. He also lit his hair on fire using a friend's propane stove, which I have a video of. This fella's injury prone is what they call that. But small World's part of his story though, is he's like in the hospital getting ready to get surgery done on his hand, and the nurse is checking on him seeing that it's getting worse, and she calls the doctor on call and explains the situation, and the doc goes, Hey, ask the guy if he's been seal hunting lately, and he replies, yes, I have, and he goes, oh, I'll be right down with the proper antibiotics. And so instead of having to have surgery, they just hit him with the proper antibiotics and fixed him right up. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. 00:40:48 Speaker 4: Moral story is there. It's like the more you know, right, because yeah, saved him from having surgery just by being able to be like, yeah, surgery, you have a little card in your wallet, right, that kind of is supposed to act in that same way. 00:41:02 Speaker 1: But I'm just reading another thing he's got here. This is a rich letter, yeah, he says. A few years later, a friend was telling someone about the incident and searched it online. There it was Dad's hand, unmistakable because he had a small tattoo dot between his thumb and index. That was a test tattoo. So he at one point did a test tattoo to see about getting a tattoo and didn't, but he still has the dot from the test. 00:41:35 Speaker 6: Well, it was a test tattoo from one he was going to do himself with pennyk and a needle. 00:41:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the good part. 00:41:43 Speaker 4: He signs off by saying, as they do in Newfoundland, long may your big jib draw, which is a traditional Newfoundland toast, and saying that means made the wind always be in your sales, which steve in this case. You guys weren't here before we were recording, but we had a conversation about how some sayings don't translate well because they lose sort of their their flow or their rhythm, or you had other terms for it, but I feel like this one is actually better by. 00:42:12 Speaker 2: Saying you say, may the wind always be. 00:42:14 Speaker 4: In your sails versus long mate, your big jib draw that just doesn't roll off my tongue. 00:42:20 Speaker 1: Well, okay, you're right, But there's it's not just saying. Well, what I was trying to explain is I was like, we have this saying a stitch in time saves nine and there's like there's a lyrical quality to it in a rhyme. Yeah, so if some hoser in like Italy is saying in America, they have a saying and he does the saying in Italian, but it loses its rhymey quality and maybe it's not an efficient transfer of words, and so it winds up being clunky. And they go like, well, that doesn't sound like a great saying because they're losing the fact that ours is rymy and quick. 00:42:53 Speaker 7: If you stitch it now, you may save yourself upwards of eight to nine stitches over a longer duration of time. 00:43:02 Speaker 1: Correct, And they'd be like, that doesn't sound like a great same Or there's there's this I've never I've never gone in fact checked this. But but some of the tribes on the Colombian Plateau had a word for the bitter Root mountains and it was like that that the spine of the bitter Roots. I never fact checked us. I've just been told this, the spine of the bitter Roots. They would talk about that, and it would say that that marked the land beyond which there are no salmon. But I feel like it's like when we do that with native expressions, it probably it just takes on a very different tonality, and maybe in their languages it was just it wasn't It didn't have that like sounds like someone translating, yeah, yeah, the land beyond which there are no salmon. It might have just been some little, you know, something that was yeah, like more quickly, you know. That's all. Here's a eteica question. 00:43:56 Speaker 2: Are we good? On knows we're good? 00:44:00 Speaker 1: Long mayor big jib draw? What was the other saying? You were just sitting us with Yanni. May you have the journey you prepared for? 00:44:06 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:44:07 Speaker 2: May you have the race that you prepared for? 00:44:10 Speaker 1: Okay, this is coming in. A guy says he lives in a small city in central Nebraska. This is inadequate questions, etiquette, etiquette. Every we pay attention. It's not a tourniquet, it's connecticutte question. I have an adequate question for you guys that I've been wrestling with over the past few days. He just recently got back into archery. He shoots at his city's public outdoor archery range. He says this past week he missed a shot low on one of the targets. He's only one at the range, so he goes out there and starts looking for his lost arrow. He looks for thirty minutes. During that time, he finds seven arrows, none of which were his own. He gives up for the day, but and then later remembers a trick from one of the hot tip offs from the late radio Live show We could pick those hot tip boks off. He remembers a tip where a guy says, hey, if you're trying to find arrows, wait till night and use a black light to find your arrows. That was a hot tip. He remembers hearing this hot tip about using a black light to find your arrow so he went and bought a black light, goes back out to the range after dark, found his arrow in under a minute. Kept looking around and found twelve a dozen arrows. Here's the question, are these his? Is it keepsies? Is it finders keepers, losers, weepers? Or should he go set them all out hoping that the right people come find them? This is legit. This is a legit question. This is a great question. Exactly how I would handle it. 00:46:02 Speaker 6: I think you'd probably take them and put them in a little bucket at the range and be like, are these yours. 00:46:06 Speaker 1: Dude, because they're going to get stolen by it. No, listen, other people are going to steal them. I think both are correct in this case. I'm saying finders keepers only because you have and well, okay, I'm back to I agree with brod leave me. 00:46:27 Speaker 7: I think you put up a sign at the range says lose narrow, text me a description and I'll see if I have it correct. 00:46:35 Speaker 6: You do this, pick the reals two or three sweet ones out, and then put the beat up. 00:46:40 Speaker 4: I mean, I think if he says that out of those twenty that he found four of them in the right size, weight length, which you better check on the spine too, but he says that they would work great in the setup, I think that yes, those people that lost their arrows could have done what he did and found their arrows. 00:47:02 Speaker 2: They didn't. 00:47:02 Speaker 4: They've like assumed the loss. Now, is it a nice thing to do just put them in a bucket and say, hey, I found a bunch of arrows for you guys. Sure, But like I wouldn't feel bad if he I wouldn't be like, oh, dude, you're an asshole for taking those four arrows. 00:47:16 Speaker 5: It's better than being in the ground. 00:47:18 Speaker 7: My red line would be if you're checking every week and throwing them up on Craigslist their Facebook marketplace. Yeah, my red line would be, like if this becomes a systematic way of acquiring arrows that you can then resell. 00:47:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy said he only has four or five of his own arrows, so four more would really help him out. 00:47:38 Speaker 2: It double is quiver. 00:47:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tough one. He says. He's going to bring him back. He says, when I lose an arrow, I just figure it's gone, Because on the other hand, if I went down to shoot and there's my arrow sitting there next to the deal. 00:47:57 Speaker 6: A lot about kind of the throwaway culture that we're comfortable with too. 00:48:03 Speaker 9: Yeah, but you never know, there could be a guy that zipped an arrow down there and then he looked for it for five minutes, had to go to something and thought, I'm gonna come back later. 00:48:13 Speaker 7: And you don't want to deprive that guy of the satisfaction of finding his arrow. 00:48:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, more in the news. This is what we talked about. We've talked about this a bunch of times over the years, but we've talked a lot about i mean, just throughout the history, the long, long history of this podcast, we have a number of times brought up issues about like cue the controversy, drum roll, issues about the border wall. Okay, here's the border wall between us in Mexico. Here's what it always gets to be. This is why this is always a touchy subject on the show. Sort of our pro like our sort of promise to listeners on the show as we try to just stick to issues that matter to hunters, anglers, outdoor enthusiasts, right, wildlife enthusiasts. We try to talk about issues that pertain to those areas and leave out the other parts of the world. Like you might notice here on the news show. How could we call this the news show when the biggest thing in the news is the war in Iran? Why are they not if they're covering the news that should be covering that, well, because that's not our area. That's not our area, it's not our area of expertise. Where it just becomes problematic is because some issues, like well to use the wall in it, No, some issues sit on the a knife edge. 00:49:37 Speaker 6: Well, the Iran thing did overlap a little bit with tungsten, for example, and. 00:49:41 Speaker 1: The like tungsten and tungsten is used in munitions, it's used in killing turkeys. So there's like they collide, no area do they collide? 00:49:52 Speaker 4: More? 00:49:52 Speaker 1: Though, in discussions about the border wine, when we talked about the idea of an impenetrable physical barrier between the US and Mexico, we have often brought up what does this mean for wildlife movements? What does it mean for wildlife movements? And then people will write in I'll be real mad, and I'll be like, I'm never listening again. You've never lost your job to an illegal immigrant, right, And I'm like, I wasn't talking about that. I was sticking to the part of this that is relevant to what we talk about when we do the show. If you were over for dinner, I would love to talk to you about the illegal immigration crisis of a few years back. I would love to talk to you about that at my house. That's not what I'm going to talk about here. We talk about the wall in terms of wildlife movements and whether you think that we should build a mile high, one hundred yard thick wall from coast to from the golf to the Pacific or whatever. That's great. If that's what you believe. You have to hold in your head that that would have implications for wildlife. Meaning this is the way I've usually explained this before. Let's say you're sitting around and you're debating whether or not it's a good idea that the family go on a family vacation this year, right, and you're factoring all the things in time off work, maybe some family obligations. You should be taken care of what it's going to cost. Right, You factor all these things in and maybe you decide, you know what, all things considered, we're still going to go on vacation. So you could think about all this wildlife issues and be like, I've considered all these wildlife issues. The jaguars won't ever repopulate, you know, the US. They're not going to be able to come back into Arizona. Ever, there's some free ranging buffalo herds of Mexico that would never cross and Meldier whatever. You could be like, I understand all that, I'm wide eyed. I still want the biggest wall in the world. I'd be like, cool, glad you thought about everything that came to your conclusion. So and talking about this. That's that's how we've discussed the wall. Well right now. It's kind of a weird twist because they keep the Fed. The Feds have this map they keep putting up showing like what kinds of barriers they're going to use along the border. And you can have electronic barriers, which is basically surveillance equipment. You could have a personnel barrier, which is just a heightened presence of custom and Border patrol individuals on the landscape, and you have a physical wall barrier. Big old shit storm down in the Big Bend area because of whether or not they're gonna want to run the border wall along the border of Big Bend National Park. And this is one of those weird ones where you get like a real nimby component and it has hit. It has come up against some staunch opposition from This is one of those stories where the opposit position comes from an unlikely place where ranchers in the area, hunting guides in the area, river rat like river users in the area are like, there ain't no need for a wall here, there's no one down here anyways. 00:53:13 Speaker 6: It's kind of like not so much that it's coming from an unlikely place as much as it is like unlikely people partnering up too. Yeah, like the thing we saw with pebble mine, right, yep. 00:53:26 Speaker 1: So because here, for instance, like picture, you got like big horns, black bears, deer relying on movements and river access. Right, So this is there's just been a lot of a lot of debate, some protesting, various things going on about are they going to do this down in this little this extremely remote area. And there's some statistics coming out of this. So this is like a guy that a listener wrote into us about this as well. The Big Bend sector, Okay, in twenty twenty three, the Big Bend sector was running fifteen hundred immigration encounters per month. Okay, the l pass so one thousand, five hundred encounters per month in the Big Bend area. So what do you compare that to let's say l Passo. L Passo was running fifty thousand immigration encounters per month in the l Passo sector, and then you know, I mean that that stuff is just dropped when the Trump administration came in, Like, that stuff is just dropped off incredibly quickly. So right now, twenty twenty five, they reduced a number of apprehensions by seventy four percent, so they were at fifteen hundred immigration encounters per month and twenty three it's down seventy four percent today, And so people are saying, it's just there's no need to like in a case like this in the big band area, when you weigh the wildlife risk against the illegal immigration risk, it doesn't weigh out. And I think that's that's that's what some listeners are arguing. 00:55:15 Speaker 7: Ahead. 00:55:15 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was just there are also other techniques like Sky's surveillance drones, et cetera that are deployed that have seemed to be pretty effective. 00:55:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, the electronic wall, right, you know, replacing with the electronic wall surveillance issues. He has an interesting quote in one of the guys that wrote and has an interesting observation A little bits incendiario. So I'm not going to get into it. But he's talking about separating man from nature, and he says the Tower of Babbel. I'm not gonna read this quote. He takes, he takes, he swings for the stone. What's that expression, shoots for the starf the fences, swings for the fences in that one. But an interesting deal. And so people in this area, I think it's not going to happen. That's my if I crystal ball it, I think they're not going to do the wall there. But apparently you can go to this this site and like refresh on it and see this like ever changing plans about what kind of where the wall is going to be constructed. 00:56:19 Speaker 7: And here's here's one statistic that the five hundred and ten miles in this region, the Border Patrol has recorded an average of six crossings a day in this region. So like it's it's the least active. The Republican Sheriff of Tarrell County says, this is the least active sector of the whole border. And you're talking about building a wall through a national park. 00:56:45 Speaker 1: What does that shareff think about it? 00:56:48 Speaker 7: He is apparently not. I mean, he's he seems to concede that it's not necessary. I don't want to speak beyond what's he's quoted is here, but he's a border patrol veteran and Republican sheriff, and he says it's the least active sector along the whole border. 00:57:03 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So ither to dig in more on this with like an interview subject at some point just the wall. 00:57:14 Speaker 3: The wall at this point, or. 00:57:18 Speaker 2: From a wildlife perspective, from. 00:57:20 Speaker 3: Life spopulation separated. 00:57:22 Speaker 1: We had a story like that we didn't report on. You're right, we had a story we didn't report on about implications for desert big. 00:57:28 Speaker 3: Horns in California. 00:57:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, And if there is a way to weigh I feel like, if there is a way to weigh electronic surveillance and other methods, like other methods that are maybe faster, less disruptive, more effective, sometimes probably less expensive whatever, to do things electronically and achieve the same goal, it might wind up being that the decision just gets made that way. I mean, just look at like, I mean, you know, I don't need to point it out. The advancements in surveillance through drones and then and then AI were to weed out like to weed out false hits where it's like, you know, that's a deer, that's the whatever, that's whatever, that's a human, you know, could wind up being that. It just becomes it comes to like a that the the idea of a wall in some of these areas becomes it's just an obsolete notion because there's better ways of accomplishing the same thing. Me and Yanni there down hunting, we're often looking at those big blimps. Remember guys saying that blimp, that blimp counting the hair on your head? Right now? All right, Randall? Uh, set up your interview. 00:58:41 Speaker 7: Yeah, so we've got another interview from the Meat Eater Sports Desk. We talked to Brian Harmon, former podcast guest, former trivia contestant Butcher Brian and Butcher Harmon and he is had to do Augusta, Georgia this week to play in the Masters. And so uh that's Thursday April ninth to Sunday April twelfth, and so Phil, whyn't you play the interview? Welcome back to the Meet Eatter News Sports Desk. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by Brian Harmon, four time PGA tour winner and the twenty twenty three winner of the Open Championship, and a contestant in Mediator Trivia episode four ninety five. Brian, it's great to have you. 00:59:24 Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. 00:59:25 Speaker 1: Well. 00:59:26 Speaker 7: The Masters tease off on April ninth at Augusta National. As we all know, it's a tradition unlike any other. How's your freezer looking right now? 00:59:35 Speaker 8: Ah, it's it's it's a little bear. 00:59:37 Speaker 10: We we had a pretty lame deer season, but we killed us killed a few turkeys last last couple of weeks. 00:59:45 Speaker 8: So we're working our way back up. About to be fishing. 00:59:48 Speaker 7: So I was gonna say supplementing that at all with some fish. I know you're big spear fisherman. 00:59:53 Speaker 10: Yeah, we got we gotta catch some this summer. We gotta catch some flounder. We got a really good triple tail run around Saint Simon's. 01:00:00 Speaker 8: Hopefully it'll get some. 01:00:01 Speaker 7: Very nice Now, picture this scenario, Sunday afternoon at Augusta. Everything's going your way. You're on the back nine and in contention for the win. Your family's cheering you on. Now picture this entirely unrelated scenario. It's the third week of October tomorrow morning. You've got a pretty much guaranteed limit of wood ducks lined up, But there's also a pretty decent buck showing up on your trail camera. He wouldn't be your personal best, but maybe he's just smaller than your third best buck. Are you more excited to go to the tree stand or the duck blind that morning? 01:00:33 Speaker 8: Tree stand? 01:00:34 Speaker 7: Tree stand? Huh? The deer's calling your name? Are you still shooting fixed blades? 01:00:39 Speaker 8: Uh? 01:00:40 Speaker 10: Yes, I am. I did kill a buck with an expandable last. 01:00:45 Speaker 7: Year, gotcha? And that was that a conversion process? You sold? 01:00:49 Speaker 3: Now? 01:00:49 Speaker 7: Or are you still I killed? 01:00:51 Speaker 8: I killed two bucks. 01:00:53 Speaker 10: I killed two bucks with my bowl last year, and I shot one with a fixed blade, and the exit win was so tiny. I think I've just gotten to where that I've worked on so much penetration with the with the with my ear that it's almost like it zips through our little white tails. I've kind of had set up for ELK and I'm expandable on our on our bucks. 01:01:15 Speaker 8: At Homie are Yeah? The bucks we killed are probably only one hundred and seventy eight pounds. 01:01:21 Speaker 2: Maybe. 01:01:21 Speaker 8: Yeah, It's easy. 01:01:23 Speaker 7: To chase your tail on on bullets and arrows. You know you can. 01:01:28 Speaker 8: You can. You can chase that dragon for a long time. 01:01:31 Speaker 7: Now, Brian, your PGA tour website bio lists you as a left handed golfer who does everything else right handed. I've got two questions. Are you left or right eye dominant? And do you shoot a gun like a normal person or do you shoot. 01:01:45 Speaker 1: It left handed? 01:01:48 Speaker 10: I shoot a gun like a normal person. I'm left eye dominant. So if I'm if I'm killing ducks, I've got I've got both eyes open. But if I'm if I'm shooting for numbers, trying to hit a bunch of skied or something, I'll close my left eye. 01:02:02 Speaker 7: Interesting. Interesting. Now you're headed into Augusta as a former major champion. You know that course, you've contended there. But as best I can tell from a quick Google search of the Georgia hunting riggs, the Masters in April falls smack dab in the middle of turkey season, sore. Do you find it's more helpful to kill a turkey before Augusta? So you're coming into the tournament clear headed and focused, or just postponing your gobbler hunt until after the drama of Sunday afternoon? Help keep that fire in your belly. 01:02:32 Speaker 10: You know, if I can kill some turkeys before, it tends to work out a whole lot better. My mind doesn't wonder nearly as much. But I'm very peculiar about my calendar this time of year. I might steal a day Monday after augusta mm hmm. 01:02:50 Speaker 8: And then Georgia does great. We have a U season. 01:02:52 Speaker 10: We had two weekends ago, so I take my boy and then our opener was last weekend. 01:02:57 Speaker 8: We had a big time. So I've done some targientwhich been really. 01:03:00 Speaker 7: Nice on the show. Recently, Spencer acknowledged that when he went to the Masters, he gobbled at you. And I believe that you conveyed to Steve or Krinn that you heard it and you look and you knew. 01:03:13 Speaker 1: It was him. 01:03:14 Speaker 7: It was not a turkey. 01:03:14 Speaker 2: It was not convincing. 01:03:16 Speaker 10: Yeah, well I could tell it was a man yelping at me for sure. But yeah, you guys were kind of You guys are kind of spot on about the wildlife out of us, that it is human farma. 01:03:29 Speaker 7: You're not even looking for anything interesting. You're just I guess it's understandable. You just focused on playing golf. 01:03:34 Speaker 1: Sure, it's A. 01:03:35 Speaker 8: It's a it's a beautiful place. 01:03:38 Speaker 10: And if I wasn't sure that if I you know, if you pull your phone out there, I'm not sure that they wouldn't just send an air strike right where you were standing. But that Merlin at Yeah, I think Karen was talking about. I use it all the time at home. It's awesome. But I would love to just click that onto my bag. And yeah, that's I could find some. 01:03:58 Speaker 7: That's probably the one cell phone applic cation that the Master's rules did not have in mind when they banned all cell phones from the course. 01:04:08 Speaker 10: I think I think they're smart enough to only pipe in native birds. 01:04:12 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Gotcha? 01:04:14 Speaker 7: Well, Brian, should you walk away with the green jacket. At the end of the weekend, you will be hosting next year's Champions Dinner, and I would like to ask you to make a hard commitment right now to the non live audience of this pre recorded segment. Will you serve me you have personally killed and butchered at next year's Champions Dinner if you win in AUGUSTA? Yeah, absolutely, what would you What would you serve? Have you given any thought to that? Just in uh day dreaming? 01:04:41 Speaker 10: I tell you what what would be incredible. I think my favorite meal is the way that I like cooking elk tenderloin, which is nothing fancy. But if I were to gill, if I were to win the Masters and killing killing elk, this fall man to serve tenderloin, now, I might have to have to get some bodies to donate. 01:05:01 Speaker 8: Some feed everybody. 01:05:04 Speaker 10: Two tenderloons won't feed twenty something dude, but I might make for a cool appetizer. 01:05:11 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well, Brian, thanks so much for your time. Check Brian out playing in the Masters Thursday, April ninth to Sunday, April twelfth. Uh, friend of the program, We appreciate you joining us, and good luck out there anytime. 01:05:24 Speaker 8: Man, Love y'all. 01:05:25 Speaker 7: Yep, take care, another hell of a segment, Phil, You don't have to tell me, right. 01:05:33 Speaker 3: Of luck. 01:05:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the hardest, hardest hunting man in Georgia. 01:05:38 Speaker 7: I almost said, pullet, pullet. We don't want any more corrections. 01:05:43 Speaker 1: But hardest hunting man in the American South, Right there, ladies and gentlemen. 01:05:47 Speaker 7: Brian's Brian's a good sport and uh he's he's a fan of the show, so it's good to chat with him. 01:05:53 Speaker 1: Do you remember we were golf with him that one time and we were shooting at deer targets with golf balls and he hit the deer. 01:05:58 Speaker 3: He hit it. 01:06:00 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. 01:06:01 Speaker 7: I wasn't there for that. 01:06:03 Speaker 1: No. I think he missed his first shot barely. And then we had some three D targets out and hit the deer with the golf That dude is good with a golf club. He's gonna win that whole thing. I don't know anybody else down there, Norman, I don't know who he's playing. 01:06:23 Speaker 2: No, not great anymore. 01:06:26 Speaker 7: Though, scratched off the list. 01:06:31 Speaker 1: He's gonna beat all them guys, I can tell you that much. 01:06:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you were saying earlier, it's a it's a it's a feat just to be in that uh. 01:06:41 Speaker 1: Be in the tournament? 01:06:42 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's wild. 01:06:44 Speaker 5: Is that why Spencer's not here? Is he going to the Masters? 01:06:47 Speaker 1: He would probably he's been. Oh he said that he was. He said he was watching Brian Harmon play one time and he helped at him and he said that Brian Harmon looked and Brian Harmon said, he do he does remember that? 01:07:01 Speaker 7: Well, well, you know that because he got that in the interview. Remember when we just watched Superor Court. 01:07:06 Speaker 1: Second, to be clear, I asked about the interview went, well take that out Philis. It makes me look bad. Just look on that vet in the material. 01:07:24 Speaker 4: Back to Catalina Island. I'm really not that interested in this story anymore. But here's where No, it's I'm saying that just to say that it was more it was hyped up. 01:07:44 Speaker 5: No, that gets the audience, like he's. 01:07:46 Speaker 4: Like, why it was so hyped up by a lot of hunters about saving these deer. Like now I'm kind of like, I don't know, small population of these deer, like is it on the grand scheme of things? And the other thing I keep coming back to is that if these deer are gone, no one's really losing like this great hunting opportunity. Because the hunting opportunity sucked beforehand. No, everybody just complained about it how poor it was. 01:08:14 Speaker 2: Right. 01:08:14 Speaker 4: They made it very difficult for hunters to go there and have a good hunt. 01:08:17 Speaker 6: It's not a big buck factory where you're like, oh, I wish I could get on that island. 01:08:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like for the few locals that were, you know, being able to get some deer meat out of it. 01:08:28 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe those maybe white buffalo will hook them up. 01:08:32 Speaker 1: I think what the issue was is like for people just tuning in now can do it recap? There's there's yeah, like there's an island. 01:08:41 Speaker 4: There's an island, like eight deer or ten deer were brought there one hundred years ago roughly and uh four hunting purposes turn into a population of about two thousand. The island itself, though, has never had any like large on gilates An. The herb of war have lived on it. So all the California plant life that lives there can't withstand the pressure supposedly from these deer and the buffalo that live on this island. 01:09:09 Speaker 1: And we'll use the goats that used to live on the island. 01:09:11 Speaker 2: That's right. And so. 01:09:14 Speaker 4: After a few years or I don't know many many, a few decades of having a hunting program that didn't reduce the population enough, the conservancy of this island, that owns like eighty percent of the land on the island, has decided to just get rid of the deer. 01:09:31 Speaker 1: Them gum people, that's right. Well, at some point in time they were with the chewing gum family. 01:09:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, so they had to go through a process with the state because again these are because there is they are deer. Even though they live on private land, they are property of the people in the state. So they had to go through a permitting process, you know, with with California Game of Fish to figure this out. But they've done it and they're moving forward and they hired no No. 01:10:00 Speaker 1: Now with the setup, I need to give my why you're like, so you're saying you were interested in it, but the more you thought about it, it's not that may dear, it's not a historic population, it's not native range, it's not a great hunting opportunity. So it to you it feels like the hype has become bigger than the issue. Yeah, Okay, what I feel when I look at this is I see what some people do is lost opportunity and a certain irony of the conservancy that holds the land, saying we've tried to control them through hunting but it doesn't work, so we need to bring in outside sharpshooters to kill them all. And then people just rightfully so saying you didn't try that. You say you tried it, but you never allowed hunters to try to participate you never gave hunters a chance to lower the numbers. You blocked them every which way, made it next to impossible, claimed it didn't work, and now you're bringing an outsiders to shoot them on leaving the rock. I think that is that's the rub. 01:11:10 Speaker 4: Maybe, Oh yeah, and I still think that there's a bunch there's a bunch of underhanded deceitful, you know, like lying going on from this conservancy, like they are not playing Uh what's the saying? Clean fair fair pool, clean pool? 01:11:31 Speaker 1: Swimming in a dirty pools? 01:11:36 Speaker 2: Okay, enter. 01:11:39 Speaker 1: There's a news story. 01:11:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, they've they hired a company called White Buffalo and h White Buffalo had their website pulled up here. 01:11:53 Speaker 2: A lot of websites. 01:11:54 Speaker 1: Nonprofit. 01:11:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've turned into it found out they're a nonprofit. 01:11:58 Speaker 1: Strange name for a while, eradication outfit. 01:12:02 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:12:02 Speaker 4: I don't understand where that where that came from. But yeah, they do work all over the place basically controlling animals to help bring back native landscapes. And that's kind of that's like their basic deal. When looking at like what they offer for white tailed deer herd management, it's like, uh, artificial. 01:12:27 Speaker 1: Or not. 01:12:27 Speaker 4: No, I'm trying to say not ai, but what's what's the opposite, like basically contraception. Yeah, they put them on birth control. Uh, they sharpshoot them or they have managed hunts, which I would I would assume that means that they sort of like bring in, you know, public hunters, but help them, you know, do these hunts and do them at a you know, a higher rate to bring populations down. 01:12:50 Speaker 2: So it looks like they do great work. 01:12:52 Speaker 4: Their website was really clean and nice, and it seems like, you know, they're probably a great hire for this, for this job they all to do. 01:12:59 Speaker 3: I just entered Jack with the significance of the white Buffalo. We probably talked about that before on the podcast, right we heard it from Taylor Keene. Yeah, it's like it's like the Lakota. 01:13:09 Speaker 1: The spiritually rich animal and planet. 01:13:14 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:13:15 Speaker 1: There's also Uncle Ted's Great White Buffalo, which I would like an apocalypse now when he plays that song, you know, in his attack helicopters. When these guys are out in their choppers, maybe they play Uncle Ted's Great White buff also to get pumped it. 01:13:28 Speaker 6: There's also a Charles Bronson movie where a white buffalo is kind of almost like a Western horror movie where Charles Bronson is duking it out with a white buffalo that's trying to kill him. 01:13:39 Speaker 1: Maybe they're in strange. They're gonna pull out the old They're gonna pull out the old Uh Judas deer trick. It's in. It's one of the tricks in their playbook. 01:13:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, after they're done doing all the baiting and shooting, then they then they throw out a deer to with a GPS collar on it. 01:14:02 Speaker 1: Dude, you take a deer and put a collar on him and let him go, and you'd be like, Okay, go find your buddies, and then you watch his track and collar and you come and again. Hm, it's you know what it's like, man, It's like when the dread Dawn. Dude, when they make that that kid, you know, the kind of the kids that don't fit in good. He goes into town and they make him eat that transmitter and then the ruskies come for him. He's like a Judas dude. 01:14:31 Speaker 3: This is this whole plan looks so aggressive, very very aggressive. 01:14:35 Speaker 5: We'll get to the condor part. 01:14:36 Speaker 1: Well, no, let's get Yeah, it's like, I don't four hundred bucks a deer. 01:14:44 Speaker 3: That's why with it being a nonprofit organization is very odd. Is that money being fund raised from? 01:14:50 Speaker 1: Like it's yeah, they figure that they I think they figured that they're doing like an environmental service and on the island and all and all. I mean, in all fairness, they've had a bunch plant species become extirpated from the island. 01:15:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, and who am I I mean, I don't I'm not in this business. 01:15:07 Speaker 2: I don't know. 01:15:07 Speaker 4: We could have like Parker Hall or somebody say, tell us if four hundred dollars per year. 01:15:13 Speaker 2: It is expensive? Huh, I don't know. 01:15:17 Speaker 1: That's I mean, I imagine it's probably like this. You got to get them all. And people that have been in that work, we've we've. 01:15:24 Speaker 2: Been before, they're like nine percent. 01:15:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first ninety five percent, no problem. It's it's like the last ones is the problem. 01:15:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when a dude lives on the island for six more months and only hunts at night with you know, thermals and tries to track down the last deer or whatever. 01:15:41 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's talked about areas when they've done wild hog work. He's like, yeah, getting a whole bunch of them, No, biggie, it's like when there's two hogs left. Yeah, finals, but like. 01:15:50 Speaker 4: Like you say that it's aggressive krim, but like why is it aggressive? Like they've been hired to do a job. They're gonna go in and put the hammer down and get the job done. 01:16:00 Speaker 3: Like, I guess that's needed. It would have been nice if they would have given more hunters a chance. 01:16:06 Speaker 4: To Yeah, again, I don't want to, Like that's why I'm bored of the stories, because we can go back to that and talk about the indecencies of this conservancy, which like we really don't know that much about. I'd love to, like if they wanted to come on and like explain themselves, it'd be interesting. Yeah, but like you know what I mean. But you're saying that is the rub? Is that like the way they've handled it all. 01:16:32 Speaker 6: But every time there's any kind of these like sharpshooter culling operations, hunters. 01:16:37 Speaker 5: Get all bent out of shape about it. They're like, why aren't they giving us the chance? 01:16:40 Speaker 1: Because that's what I always wonder. Yeah, I know I'll say that because I'll always wonder. 01:16:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, but like this is just another example of that. 01:16:49 Speaker 7: To me. 01:16:50 Speaker 1: Listen, man, my panties are in a bunch anytime, like like even with the resident even with the suburban sharpshooting. When you have a bunch of people live in a community and they all determine that like the hunting's bad, they don't want anyone hunting, and they bring in a sharp shooting outfit to start shooting them at night. It just it always will rub me the wrong way. 01:17:09 Speaker 2: I get it. 01:17:10 Speaker 6: But how many hunters are going to actually jump in there and take care of it. 01:17:15 Speaker 7: We'll never know, Rob Sam, I guess we'll never know. 01:17:18 Speaker 1: The dude running for the dude running for governor of Iowa hunts them deer. I'd love to dude, he hunts deer on spots or if the deer takes three steps, it's on the neighbor's place. He's got, he's got, He's got this whole program, dial down, man shoots Biggins. 01:17:33 Speaker 4: Brody mentioned the uh, the California Condor Project, which this is a way that this the the Catalina Island Conservancy is saying like, hey, it's gonna be okay. 01:17:44 Speaker 2: We're not going to just leave him to rot. 01:17:46 Speaker 4: We're going to relocate the deer carcasses over to the mainland and feed condors. When I read that, I go, oh, I wonder if they're gonna use you know, copper or non non lead ammunition and bro He's like, well, we already had a guy right in and said that that's a bunch of bs. 01:18:05 Speaker 2: But they're not like that's a big cost to freeze. 01:18:08 Speaker 4: Probably would have to freeze these carcasses and bring them, you know, via It. 01:18:12 Speaker 1: Wasn't clear on I thought they meant to the Mandors fly out to Catalina. Maybe because yeah, yeah, they're saying no, they're saying, oh, we're gonna freeze them and bring him over to the mainland, right. I don't know who makes they make juicy fruit gum they used. I used to chew that. I think that's product they do. They lost flavor, real it did, man, and I used to shoot that. I think they're big red products. Man, that tongue taste, buds, get on flames and everything. Man, now they're shooting all these deep No, I don't know if they're still tied up. I'm not saying that the big red juicy fruit has anything to do with this. Man. Clearly they're like, we're gonna poison gum and leave it lee at all out for the here. 01:19:01 Speaker 4: Well, it still seems like a flawed deal because that town of Avalon has made it so that you can't hunt or discharge a weapon within their perimeter. And they say, like, a whole bunch of deer hang out within those the town's boundaries. So I don't think they're gonna this program is not gonna get rid of one hundred percent of the deer on the island. 01:19:20 Speaker 1: Want to talk about a bunch of deer hanging out over there? 01:19:22 Speaker 2: Just yea Judas deer's gonna straight for that deer. 01:19:27 Speaker 1: That dude's gonna be standing outside the local ice cream parlor. 01:19:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 01:19:35 Speaker 4: And I think for the people to say, well, I really just don't want to see those animals go to waste. 01:19:41 Speaker 1: I don't buy that. Yeah, you know, I buy it, But I don't think that's the the main motivating factor. 01:19:47 Speaker 4: Right, And we all know now, we're educated enough to know that if you just like shoot a deer and let let it lay in the grand scheme of things, does it go to waste because you or I don't consume it. 01:19:58 Speaker 1: It's like nutrient recycle totally. Like the last time Jannie gets to do a Catalina, I don't think. 01:20:07 Speaker 4: No, when they went when when the Catalina Island concerns, he comes on here to chat. 01:20:13 Speaker 2: I'll be the first one in ten good questions. 01:20:15 Speaker 1: You should get a Pulitzer Prize for the comfort. 01:20:19 Speaker 2: You really don't. 01:20:20 Speaker 1: You've done a great job of covering the story and like analyzing it and stuff. Manh and then like it's weird, like turn. 01:20:30 Speaker 6: You know, I mean, he like you imagine if Walter Cronkite came on, He's like, Man, I'm not really interested in this, but I'm gonna tell you about it. 01:20:36 Speaker 1: I'm not really interested. Kronkite he comes on and he's like, He's like, I'm not really interested in this, and I've changed my mind. 01:20:45 Speaker 7: I didn't know where we're going for Cronkite. Well, it's kind of changes my whole approach to this time. 01:20:49 Speaker 5: Bro, I don't know if they picked someone. 01:20:51 Speaker 1: Oh my good, that was great, report, Johnnie. I like the emotional parts of you, like getting tired of the story and like, oh, what's it mean? Anyway? That was great, man. I hope listeners appreciated that. What else you got? Me too? What else you got? 01:21:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're trying to legalize baiting deer in Michigan. 01:21:13 Speaker 1: It's a lot more complicated than that. 01:21:17 Speaker 2: Well, is it. 01:21:18 Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty fair assessment of what's going on there. 01:21:22 Speaker 1: It's fair assessment, isn't it. You were always able when I was a boy that you disbaated, right, Oh yeah, we baited and then and then they put restrictions on baiting. 01:21:35 Speaker 4: They're trying to make it uh legal again. And basically, uh, there's some people for it. There's a lot of public for it. I texted a few folks that live in Hunt in Michigan, and these folks are all anti baiting. They wish it was completely gone. But according to them, they're like whether this ghosts to or not, they don't think anything's gonna change because, like we all know, in places where you're not allowed to baate, like let's just say Michigan or where I'm at in Wisconsin, you can go to any uh I think, any gas station, Walmart or whatever, and there are giant bags of corn out front. 01:22:18 Speaker 1: Because when they do those quantity Michigan has areas where they do a quantity restriction. You're allowed to put out a certain amount. 01:22:26 Speaker 2: Okay, And maybe there's a lot of places where. 01:22:30 Speaker 1: You can gambling or not what the hell it is, but they limit how much you put down. 01:22:35 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean honest, like it's you know, it's illegal where I grew up, but like that's only during the season, so. 01:22:41 Speaker 1: You can you know, well, we're sitting in the state right now. You can't bait, never could bait. 01:22:45 Speaker 5: No, but the whole we're not talking about the whole state of Michigan. 01:22:49 Speaker 2: Here, lower peninsula, lower peninsula. 01:22:51 Speaker 1: So with CWD you could always bait, and we baited, And I actually regret it. You said that I would have learned a lot more about deer if we didn't bow hunt. I wish we'd I wish at a young age I would have learned to really hunt deer and hadn't spent that time when I had like years and time that I hadn't messed with the bait thing. And I wish I would have just like used, I wish I knew that when I knew now, If I knew then what I knew now, I would have hunted totally differently. 01:23:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:23:28 Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the proponents of the bill are saying that we will have more hunters, will have more participation, more retention, more youth getting into it if we allow it, because it just makes it easier. 01:23:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. So originally around chronic wasting disease and bovine tuberculo. 01:23:48 Speaker 2: So disease issues, that's why I was out lawed. 01:23:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, starting since in twenty nineteen, the Department of Natural Resources, so the Wildlife Managed Agency, in twenty nineteen, started putting baiting restrictions in place in the Lower Peninsula, citing disease concerns. You're concentrating, you're making super spreader events like during cold when you had a big party and everybody kind of got mad at you. You were doing that out in the woods, suckering in all kinds of deer to come in and rub noses. And so their thought was, hey, we're gonna slow down disease spread and get rid of baiting. And that's pissed people off, still pisses people off. And so now they're kind of going around back on her right talking about that. 01:24:33 Speaker 4: Oh the fact that yeah, so this is it's it's it's very unpopular with the Department National Resources, and they're saying that, yeah, we're not we're basically not doing this under sound science, and that we're they're just basically voting, you know, just doing political. 01:24:49 Speaker 2: Science, and politicians are making management decisions. 01:24:54 Speaker 1: By putting this back in, what they want to do is they want to They're looking to prevent the wildlife agency from being able to do a band. 01:25:06 Speaker 4: Right all together and in the future, which I think would be a bad thing. I know that we all don't agree all the time with what our state wildlife agencies do, but I believe that for the most part, they're out there trying to do what's best, and we forget that they're trying to balance so many different you know, entities that have different needs. You know, whether it's the ranchers that are having issues with deer or elk, you know, the people that want more opportunities, the people that want more trophies, you know, people that want. 01:25:41 Speaker 2: You know, whatever. 01:25:42 Speaker 4: You know, they're balancing all all that social stuff. It's not just wildlife management. So like you had to step back and look at it that it's not just what you know, what's going on in your little neighborhood and what you want, how you want to be able to bait in your backyard. 01:25:56 Speaker 1: You also have in this case, you also have two truths of battling each other We covered this a couple of years ago where the head of Michigan's wildlife agency had this open letter ahead of deer season basically saying almost being like, why can't we get hunters to kill dose? We need to kill those, We need to kill those. We can't get hunters to kill those? Right, almost throwing his hands up there, like, you know, in the most respectful way possible. Is kind of like what is wrong with everybody? Our dough harvest, our populations are going up, dough harvest is going down. We try to incentivize dough harvest and people won't kill dose. So an argument in favor of the bill is it makes it easier to get does. 01:26:42 Speaker 2: That is an argument? But I think it's an arm I think it's a little bit of a BS argument. 01:26:47 Speaker 1: The farm Bureau they like they wanted, They like the bait. They like the bait bill. They want bait coming in because they feel like it's gonna help alleviate crop. 01:26:57 Speaker 4: Damn, if you had to crystal ball at Brody, you think if they the legalized bait is like across the board, are you going to are you gonna see a higher dotate? 01:27:05 Speaker 6: I certainly think it's like, listen, there's a reason why people bait. It increases your odds, Like no. 01:27:11 Speaker 2: I understand that. 01:27:12 Speaker 4: But when we're talking about whether they're tifically whether the population of hunters that's around these days, like are they going to shoot more dos? 01:27:21 Speaker 1: Like is is it is the people most mad about the bait band, people that just want to shoot tons of dose. 01:27:27 Speaker 7: I don't know. 01:27:28 Speaker 1: I don't know either. I have yeah, like I'm little safety like the old classic road state, Like yeah, people are like someone's got to do something about. 01:27:37 Speaker 6: I definitely feel like there are areas in this country where like the number of deer a problem and they got to figure out some way to knock them down, you know. 01:27:47 Speaker 1: Sure, So that's another argument arguments in favor of the bill road safety. The state has fifty eight over fifty eight thousand deer related vehicle crashes. That was in twenty twenty four, meaning the current bait band is failing to control the population or people aren't shooting them. I don't. I don't think even blame that on the bait ban. And then like Johann you said hunter recruitment saying that like if you can put bait out, it's easier and kids are more successful and everybod's gonna have a better time shooting. All kinds of dear arguments against the bill Disease spread. Okay, the d n R and the wildlife biologists opposed the bill. Then you get into the science question, right where is you know, wildlife management people are you know, driven by what they would argue as the scientific understanding of the data and the population, and that this is coming from social this is coming that this is coming from like a social end of things. And then the question of fair chase concerns. Some traditional hunting groups argue that baiting diminishes fair chase ethics of the sport. I would that that's not what I would be looking at and making this decision. I wouldn't be looking at. 01:29:07 Speaker 5: That, especially if your goal is to kill a bunch more deer. 01:29:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that the I think that the relevant the relevant in my mind, the relevant bits that I'd be looking at is what is the evidence to suggest that bait legitimately and accelerates disease transmission? Like how true? Is that? Is that really true? And then with this, is this really the most quickest, most effective way to bring up dough harvest That's the things I'd be looking at if I was chief of Michigan. 01:29:42 Speaker 5: They need to call that white Buffalo company. Send them in there. 01:29:47 Speaker 7: Don't give any ideas. 01:29:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, have Michigan taxpayers pay four hundred bucks a deer. 01:29:53 Speaker 1: Like the first thing we do is called a big bait, and we put some collars on some other deal. I mean that is stories aren't talking to each other, dude, because the eradication service white buffalo, they say right off, first thing we do get a bait pott yeah, so and a judas dear case in point. Yeah. Maybe in Michigan shoul legalized using Judas deer randall. All right, So last week. 01:30:24 Speaker 7: There are a bunch of headlines out there about the overhaul of the Forest Service that was announced by the administration, I believe on like Tuesday afternoon. There was a press release that went out and this has to do with the structure of the structure and geographic location of the Forest Service, which manages one hundred and ninety three million acres of our public lands. And you can read the press release to get the explanation firsthand. There there's a lot of the coverage out there that sort of gives a broader context to it, and a lot of the headlines are pretty alarmist. They say this is a dismantling things of that nature. And so I read as much as I could, uh and talk to some folks that work in the conservation space to get their read on it. But when you've read as much as you could, what is the what happens? 01:31:19 Speaker 1: You fall asleep? Nah, I just read as much as you could. 01:31:23 Speaker 7: Find we all get bored with it, you know, Yeah, I mean I read. I read like the most of the articles that people were sharing. And so the the announcement describes this as a sweeping restructuring of the agency to move leadership closer to the forests and communities it serves. And so there's a couple of points to this that I'm gonna hit on and kind of contextualize each one. The first is that they're going to move the headquarters from DC to Utah, and so. 01:31:56 Speaker 1: You interesting choice. 01:31:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the one. 01:31:58 Speaker 7: Yeah, that raised a lot of eyebrows, I think, just given Utah's history with public lands and that the press release has this quote from the Governor of Utah saying, you know, we're excited about this great news because. 01:32:11 Speaker 1: This way they're closer, we can strangle them more easily. 01:32:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like so one. 01:32:19 Speaker 7: Like the bigger history is I guess there are and this is sort of from behind the scenes folks, Like there are more and more for a service personnel that are gravitating towards DC, Like the DC footprint of the agency has grown. But like there's a good reason to have the headquarters in d C. Because the chief of the Forest Service and the deputy chiefs of the Forest Service work with the Administration and work with Congress, like they and their their job is to be held accountable by the administration and Congress for what they're doing. And then their job is also to like inform uh, the federal you know, the federal government of what's going on with the agency. So like to move the the head of the organization away from DC, I don't know if it's fair to say that it makes it less relevant, but it makes it harder for the people at the top to be effective in their jobs. There's gonna have to be a lot of back and forth, right. 01:33:15 Speaker 3: And. 01:33:17 Speaker 7: So that's that's sort of the first thing is like moving the moving the agency's headquarters to Utah. 01:33:24 Speaker 1: Man the other that that I just kind of I just want to meditate on that. Forer Mint, that's a weird one to me because you have the the the legislators right in that state. Their their state representatives just have a more than any other state, have just a hostile relationship to public lands. 01:33:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, it seems intentional anywhere like yeah, yeah, And so. 01:33:54 Speaker 1: The other the other be like if the golfing uh, like the golf is Sociation was like, we're going to move our headquarters to Steve's house. 01:34:05 Speaker 7: Yeah, that would raise eyebrows. 01:34:07 Speaker 1: You don't let golf. They'd be like, that's the point. 01:34:12 Speaker 7: The next, like the next sort of biggest headline out there is that they're they're closing all the regional offices. So there right now there's nine regional offices that oversee all the forests and grasslands across the country, and they're going to move to a state based model. So there's gonna be fifteen state directors. Some of those states are fused. Can you back, how was it? Remember what it was before? So they're regions. There's like region one region where they're nine. Okay, so they're going to fifteen state directors. Some of those oversee multiple states. 01:34:48 Speaker 1: And this like that. 01:34:50 Speaker 7: The headline is that the regional offices, all the regional offices are being closed. But what's what's really happening is it's transitioning to a model that more mostly resembles like the BLM has state directors and so, so this is sort of more of a restructuring, although for the people in those regional offices who may have to move or lose their jobs, like there is there is an impact on the ground, but it's not like all of that infrastructure is being dissolved. It's it's transitioning to a state director model, which folks in the conservation space say works well for the BLM. 01:35:28 Speaker 1: So and presumably people assigned at the regional level will will be assigned at the state level. Yeah, I mean that's there be a there'll be like a reshuffling. 01:35:41 Speaker 7: That's where it gets hard, Like in the shuffling, and this is something I'm going to touch on later on, it's like it gets hard to really understand the scope of the personnel changes that will take place, Like there's probably gonna be a lot of turnover and loss of institutional knowledge and have career you know, career people sort of their paths take a left or right turn here. I don't know that like we can even find that out at this point how it's gonna affect Like I would be doubtful if there's just a one to one like you go to a different desk, But it's hard to say at that point. And then the last one, I think is is pretty significant. And they're they've announced that they're going to consolidate all of the research that they do into a single Forest Service research organization in Fort Collins. So they're going to close fifty seven of seventy seven research stations across the country. Four in Michigan, are closing five in Mississippi. And this like there's I don't really know how to explain this in a way that like do they have their own Forest Service research stations that sit outside of like USDA research stations. 01:36:57 Speaker 1: They must, yeah, this is this is Forest Service specific. 01:37:00 Speaker 7: Yeah, and like so not all of them are being closed, Like I think that in the public communications have tried to emphasize that like some like a lot of the fire stuff will be less effective than everything else. But like there's a real question about how do you study like southern pine forests from Fort Collins efficiently. And then the other thing is that like each one of these research stations, a lot of them anyway, are affiliated with like a research institution, like a university, and so they rely on that lab space. So you can't just close sixty You can't close like three quarters of the research stations out there, move all that to Colorado and not lose something, right, And it just seems like that seems like more of a like a defanging or a squeezing of like the Forest Services research capabilities, and that I don't really know, like how you explain that that as being beneficial to the Forest Service. 01:38:02 Speaker 1: I don't think they're trying to make it. I'm sure they're probably they're going to probably be cute, yeah, and act like this is for the betterment of the agency. But that's silly, right. 01:38:13 Speaker 2: This is to this is to. 01:38:17 Speaker 1: Cripple, hamstring, diminish lesson the impact of the agency, is right, I mean, because the architects, the architects aren't like, how do we make the Forest Service bigger and better? Right? 01:38:32 Speaker 7: I mean I think there's like I think there's that's how the critics are reading this as like this is a very deliberate attempt to like destroy it. And I'm not using the word destroy, yeah, but like diminished, diminish it diminish its impact. Now I don't think, no, not using the word destroy, right, right, But like I think that I think there's also this to like give them some sort of benefit of the doubt, Like there's this ideological thing that like they need to get out of DC and be in the West, and like we have too big of a footprint, and so it might not be necessarily like it might be more principled things if you believe that the Forest Service is doing too much science out there. I don't. I'm not in that camp. But so this went through public comment period forty seven thousand emails fourteen thousand specifically addressed the restructuring. More than eighty percent of those comments opposed it, and of the remainder, more of those were neutral than supported it. So like the support in the public comment period for this stuff was like five percent something like that. So it was overwhelmingly opposed. The tribes have spoken out in opposition, a lot of conservation groups and a lot of Forest Service former Forest Service leadership is spoken out, and the message there is like basically nobody's asking for this. Internally, nobody necessarily wants this. There's been no real analysis of the cost or the savings of this. And they did this with the BLM in the first Trump administration. They moved the agency headquarters to Grand Junction. It was way more expensive than they anticipated, and a lot of the people ended up just like either taking early retirement or. 01:40:19 Speaker 1: Quitting. 01:40:21 Speaker 7: Only forty one of the three hundred and twenty eight bl employees that they wanted to move out to Grand Junction actually did it, And then the Biden administration moved. They didn't move everybody back. They determined that yeah, there are some jobs I guess that would be better suited to be out west and have more close connection with like the career field staff. But they did move the leadership back because it was just not working. So this I mean, and this is all in the context of huge cuts to the for service operations budget, huge cuts to the capital improvement and maintenance budgets, and the Forest Service is down already twenty five percent in terms of people like human resources, and they have a hiring freeze in place with a lot of key jobs that are unfilled. So like it just adds to this broader confusion and sapping of morale. 01:41:21 Speaker 1: I think so. 01:41:24 Speaker 7: I guess like in talking to people, I was kind of in the I was kind of more aligned with the idea that this was a dismantling, you know, And I guess I still don't. I wouldn't repudiate that view. I talked to a lot of people that sort of talked me back from the edge a little bit. There's still a lot of inexplicable things in here, and things that aren't going to be workable and they'll have to be reversed. But what was pointed out to me, and this is like my takeaway is there are a lot of other things, Like this is a big, splashy headline, there's a lot of other things going on right now, like the roadless rule repeal, that are going to be far more impactful on the future of our national force. Like there's there's a pile of stuff right now that's happening that will ultimately undermine the forest service system as we know it, and this is kind of adding to that. But they're saying and not to minimize like the impact on employees and all the chaos and confusion that's happening but like ultimately it's not like a five alarm fire. But it's also just like do we need to do this? 01:42:38 Speaker 1: And is doing this? 01:42:39 Speaker 7: Are we taking away from other important work? 01:42:42 Speaker 1: You know? 01:42:44 Speaker 7: So I don't know, it's not encouraging. I was, I will say, like my my takeaway from it, I was a little more heartened after talking to like more experienced and knowledgeable people. But it's still just like a lot. It's just like a big pile of ship thrown at the wall to see what sticks, you know, cap And you can. 01:43:04 Speaker 3: Read more about that at the Meat Eater dot com. FEDS announced major restructuring and relocation of US for US. 01:43:14 Speaker 1: Good job, Randal, Thank you, Thanks, that's my first one. 01:43:19 Speaker 6: I was gonna all right then I always get screwed. 01:43:28 Speaker 1: Just just happened. The lions always get screwed. 01:43:33 Speaker 2: No, I always, okay, do your report. 01:43:35 Speaker 5: So we're gonna do it. 01:43:36 Speaker 1: If you want. We've been we've been running. People are gonna have it. They're got, they got, We're gonna do it. 01:43:41 Speaker 6: Then we're just gonna keep pushing it back. And you already said we were doing it. 01:43:46 Speaker 1: I was gonna have phill beep it all out. 01:43:49 Speaker 6: Alaska is opening a mountain lion season. Some of you might be asking why, because they don't have any mountain lions. Mountain lions are found most in the largest numbers in the western US and south western Canada, but their most widely distributed large mammal in the western hemisphere all the way from the Yukon down to the southern Andies and Chile. But historically they're not native to Alaska. Since nineteen eighty nine, there's only been five documented mountain lion observations, all in southeast Alaska. Four of those were in Game Management Unit three, which includes Wrangle and Petersburg. There have also been some unconfirmed tracks and sightings, mostly origin originating in the Wrangel area, and researchers believe that these few mountain lines that have shown up are dispersed from mainland British Columbia. 01:44:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude trapped one, dude shot one. They've had four dead bodies, so yeah. 01:44:47 Speaker 6: Most recently, Alaska Wildlife Troopers were notified in on June third, twenty twenty four, that one had been shot and killed on the south end of Wrangle Island. Before that, it was twenty six years. You got to go back twenty six years from twenty twenty four. 01:45:05 Speaker 1: No, because a wolf trapper caught one in a snare on Coou Island. Well, that's true. 01:45:10 Speaker 6: This says twenty six years in nineteen ninety eight. A Wrangle trapper cut a mountain li was that long ago, and a wolf trap off coopering off coupper off Kapranoff Island, and then a decade before that, nineteen eighty nine one was shot near Wrangles. 01:45:26 Speaker 5: So it's all kind of in the same area where they're showing up. 01:45:29 Speaker 6: Okay anyway, So it might seem strange that Alaska now has a mountainlin season, but the Southeast Alaska Board of Game recently, like formerly, approved a new and limited hunting and trapping season. 01:45:47 Speaker 2: Did you say unlimited or limited? 01:45:49 Speaker 5: Well, the hunting. 01:45:51 Speaker 6: Season is limited. It'll run August first of June fifteenth with a bag limit of one. 01:45:57 Speaker 1: It's a big season when animal break to your wife, not gonna be hunting pretty hard this season. 01:46:05 Speaker 6: For the hunting season, it's males only, but there's also a trapping season in units one, three, four, and five, which will run November fifteenth through March thirty first. Obviously, trappers can't decide whether they're catching a male or a female, so they're not going to be held to that male only regulation. So you know, like I I Steve's like, why why are they doing it? I'm like, well, I think they're just trying to get ahead of it. I'm sure Steve will say more on that, but the reason the board gave is they're trying to like regulate a small but growing predator population rather than have an animal that they're like by regulation, they're not able to manage it through hunting and trapping. 01:46:54 Speaker 1: What I find interesting about the story is they feel that they're coming down the. 01:46:57 Speaker 5: Stakeen right, that's it's the falling river draining. 01:47:02 Speaker 1: I read this analysis. It was a handful of river systems that the head waters of the river systems are glaciated or deer free, and kind of the best approach be coming out of British Columbia. You could be into you could be into good deer country and tip over into the upper Stacquen and follow this Tekeene down and eventually get on the coastal areas and they're starting to pick off sick of black tails on the coastal areas. 01:47:28 Speaker 6: Interestingly, all of these what is it five that have shown up in this area all male. 01:47:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, so which makes sense with that, like. 01:47:36 Speaker 1: Just dispersed, dispersing. There's a similar thing where mule deer for the first you know, in recent years, mulder have been showing up in toke Alaska coming along the highway there, following the highway corridor development along the highway corridor, clearing along the highway corridor, and they don't want the deer coming in right now. In that case, they don't want the deer coming in because you think about the implications of something like like disease issues, so servid diseases coming in on this new animal showing up. And so if you see a meal, do you can kill it? I think maybe you gotta have a valid license. But basically they like they shoot, yeah and acknowledging it there. It's like if you see a meal, do you can kill the So with the lion thing, I see it like I understand leaving it that I understand the need to say like they're here, because clearly they're there. You could also say, hey, we're recognizing they're here. The state is going to put in a management policy that that lions are here, we're accepting there. When you look at our regulations, you'll see the lions are here. We may someday decide to have a season, but the state agency saying, yes, we accept we have a population of mountain lions. There's a pathway to a mountain lion season down the road, but at this point in time, there's so few they're coming in Naturally they're protected, or the state's perspective. It could be this. It's like they're coming in because things are getting warmer and there's less snow in different temperatures, and deer, white tailed deer are moving north. Mil deer are moving north and west, and a lot of this stuff is like human caused, And they might be like, we don't want mountain lions. We already got wolves, black bears, grizzly bears, links. I feel like that we don't need a new cat species coming in because of changing environments and we don't want them. And so rather than just saying we don't want them, we'll say that they're basically open. Yeah, and if you get when you're not in trouble. 01:49:38 Speaker 6: I feel like that there's got to be that's part of it. Especially in Alaska where they're they work pretty hard to maintain their big game populations for the use of the people. 01:49:49 Speaker 5: Yes, and this could present potentially a problem for it. 01:49:54 Speaker 1: I have more, not more. I have as much respect faith in Alaska Department of Fishing Game. This is gonna blow, this is gonna piss people. Officer have all kinds of reasons why not. But so I'm choosing my words carefully. I have as much respect for the integrity and aim of Alaska Department of Fishing Game as I do for any state agency. In terms of looking at how do we protect wildlife resources recognizing the importance of human use and recognize the importance of traditional use practices. They're pretty spot on relative to any other agency. So I tend to look at if they do it. I tend to go like, you guys are level headed wildlife managers. I don't feel like you've been like infiltrated by animal rights activists or something like. You're level headed wildlife managers, and I kind of you know, at this point, I'd be like, I trust your opinion. 01:50:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's look, I mean, mountain lions are doing pretty well throughout a lot of their range. This isn't I think gonna change that. I don't think you can look at them as an invasive species. They're walking in there on their own r walking. 01:51:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're walking in on their own two feet so four. 01:51:09 Speaker 4: More regulated then what? I like, we're doing this just because we don't want another species? 01:51:16 Speaker 1: You mean the fact that it's closed for a month and a half. 01:51:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, why not just have that you know, right to shoot policy like they do on the mule. 01:51:25 Speaker 6: Because I think classifying them as a game animal like gives them certain management. 01:51:31 Speaker 4: But why not do that with those mule deer in tow It's a great question. What's the difference? 01:51:37 Speaker 1: I guess we just have someone, Hopefully we can get find someone to answer those questions for us. I want to invite a I want to invite a correction. 01:51:44 Speaker 5: That mean you're gonna correct me? 01:51:46 Speaker 6: I am. 01:51:47 Speaker 1: I am virtually certain that more recently than what you're saying, Like pretty recently, a dude hooked one in a wolf's snare on Coou Island. 01:51:56 Speaker 5: You're probably right. 01:51:57 Speaker 1: I'm just going to doing on those islands though. Man, those dudes are walking like they're like dispersing heading weigh down that they and then swimming. Yeah, because they're not finding any female they're not crossing ice, right, they're not finding females. 01:52:11 Speaker 6: When those lines showed up on Flathead Island here in Montana. 01:52:15 Speaker 5: Like at least ice was a possibility there. 01:52:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're like smelling Yi, smelling dumb bull horns tame big. Yeah, that's a good question, man, it's a good question. Prince Wales doesn't have him yet. There's no c you can't if you see one on Prince Wales you can't shoot or I don't know what. 01:52:34 Speaker 5: Well, it depends. 01:52:34 Speaker 6: Why don't have a season they gave the regions there, but I think the hunting season. It's just the trapping season that's limited to certain regions. 01:52:43 Speaker 1: Well, it's when it's wolf season, it's trapping. When it's they're also protecting a wolf, you're also protecting a wolf trapper who accidentally hooks a cougar. That if he hooks a Cougary's not in trouble, which is cool. Yep. So someday Yanni's great grand sun will be up there with Mingus's great great great great great great grandson, and it will. 01:53:08 Speaker 2: Mingus's lineage stops with him. 01:53:11 Speaker 1: Oh he's missing his testicles, isn't he? 01:53:13 Speaker 2: You can get him cloned. 01:53:15 Speaker 5: They do that these days. 01:53:16 Speaker 2: You're right, I could get him cloned. 01:53:20 Speaker 3: I got one news thing to end with. Please, what's the biggest crappie that any of you have caught? 01:53:26 Speaker 1: Don't know? Fifteen sixteen inches? 01:53:28 Speaker 3: Now here are like pounds? 01:53:30 Speaker 2: Their weight less than a pound for me? 01:53:33 Speaker 3: Two? Okay, maybe you're super closed. 01:53:35 Speaker 5: I think that's a big one. 01:53:36 Speaker 3: So at the Lake of the Ozarks the other weekend, this is like so fun to find out about. It was the second annual Big Crappie Challenge. 01:53:46 Speaker 1: Was the biggest crappy in the Big Crappie Challenge? 01:53:48 Speaker 3: Two point thirty seven pounds? 01:53:50 Speaker 2: Can you get in day? 01:53:52 Speaker 10: No? 01:53:52 Speaker 2: I have to look for that. 01:53:53 Speaker 3: He won fifty thousand dollars. They take crappy fifty thousand dollars. We got to enter next next year. 01:54:00 Speaker 2: Let me, I don't know, mastery, but pretty good. 01:54:05 Speaker 6: A lot cheaper than going after him bill Fish and spending fifty grand on gas. 01:54:09 Speaker 1: Mercer lone just got one forty four bucks playing golf. I'd rather win fifty thousand dollars catching crap Yeah? 01:54:16 Speaker 3: Uh, sixteen inches long? 01:54:19 Speaker 1: Oh? Did I say fifteen sixteen I'd like to take that. 01:54:22 Speaker 2: Back that's what you call it, slab slab, I ask me. 01:54:29 Speaker 1: Again, I was eleven twelve inches. Yeah, I just gotta caught myself in a lie either. 01:54:35 Speaker 7: I'll get a dozen emails. 01:54:36 Speaker 1: I'd like to offer a correction for this is the way Steve caught it big. I haven't caught him back that big, I was lying, paper Mouse. Thanks a lot for joining