00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show. On this week's show, we got an interesting tale about a big ass more a Eel. Spencer Newhart can't ride a bike and fish at the same time. Testicle Jerky news our shyris Moose going away, but not in the way you think. Poachers get serious in North Dakota and Max gets serious about reporting on those poachers. Spencer Newhart stops to tell the flowers get it. 00:00:28 Speaker 2: We'll see if we get it. 00:00:31 Speaker 1: Nate Mason has a report on TSS and more. But first the more Aeel. 00:00:37 Speaker 3: Let's hear it. 00:00:38 Speaker 1: Okay, this is the our news. Listen to this. We were down in the We went to the Bahamas for spring break. Folks who watch the show, we filmed episode sometime ago with Cameron kirk Connell and Cameron kirk connell. If you're such a listener that you listen to our Close Calls story stories the Close Call series, there's a Close Calls where a guy, a spearfisherman, shoots another spearfisherman in the fin who's passed out. He's blacked out, shallow water, blackout, and he's sinking to the bottom of the ocean. Camer Kirkconnell is able to get close enough to him. He's on his way up and he sees his buddy's sinking dying, and he shoots him in the fin with his spear gun and then they were able to hoist him up as they resuscitate him and save his life. Wow, we're with him and his family, my family, his family in the Bahamas spearfishing, and we're primarily hole hunting. Like you go down there, you just kind of go over the reefs. You kick or drift in the current over the reefs, and now and then you'll catch a hog fish out doing his business. But you spook a lot of groupers. And when you spook a grouper, you just follow them, and that group is gonna move and move, and he'll go into a hole, but he won't like it and he'll leave the hole. He'll try another hole. He'll go into a hole in the little group will come out of the hole. Then he'll come out of the hole, and eventually you follow and follow and follow him and he'll find a hole and they'll hole up and you hover over the hole until you're like, he's in that hole, and then you start hole hunting them and it could turn into chasing them into a hole is one thing. Killing them is a whole other thing. And then getting them back out of the holes the whole other thing. So it turns into like a real it could turn into a real fistfight. So my kid goes down. We get a big black grouper in a hole. My kid goes down and uh, it was a thirty pound grouper. My kid goes down and like glances it in the head but doesn't like wings it in the head, but doesn't even hurt it. Cam's kid goes down and gets at the tail. It's fighting around, and Alston and I go down to try to get it out, but the spear shaft has pulled free of the grouper's tail. The grouper comes out of that hole and goes into a new hole. Cam's down with this flashlight trying to look around and find them. In this nude It's like some of these things are like Tora Bora. I don't know if you remember back to that the war in Afghanistan. They're like the Bora Cave complex. You're appreciating, Oh yeah, Nate Mason's appreciating Oh Joined today by Max Barta, Nate Mason, Crinch Nighters here, Spencer new Heart, Brody Henderson. So he's down looking around with his light, and I see he's like looking into one hole and it says Tora bora complex. And some of these holes have chimneys in them, and you can sometimes you get him into a hole and you'll sometimes peer into a chimney and locate them. He's got his head and he's to his waste in a hole looking around. It's thirty feet of water. So I'm on the surface and I see a morey eel, the likes of which I mean like this eel just keeps coming and coming and coming. And he because he knows that the troubles are bruin, they're like sharks, like. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: He knows a big one though, Yeah. 00:04:08 Speaker 1: He knows what's up. How big? How big? Yeah, probably six feet long, big around as your big around as your thigh, I mean, like a enough of a one. He comes and all a sudden he enters the same not the same entrance that Cam's in, but another entrance to the same hole. My boy dives down to alert him because they'll bite you. And as my boy's descending to alert him, Cam's coming up. But I can tell by his body language. He doesn't know. He didn't encounter the eel. He's coming up casually. Okay, he comes up casual, like, oh my god, dude, I thought you could get bit in the face. That big eel went into the cave complex he have it. I don't know. I'm just hanging around, like I don't you know. This guy's the master, he's, you know, one of the one of the Like this is gonna sound like like he's among the top handful of spear fishermen that there are. Okay, So he's like, oh, he's in the hole, and he says that grouper's coming out, and we're just hovering there, and a while later, here comes a crab out of that hole. It doesn't like being in that hole. And my boy goes down and gets the crab, and we waited a while and waited awhile, and sure enough that here comes that group are out substantially more wounded, like was getting mauled, was getting mauled in the hole mm hmm by the eel. Wow. And he's not in a good he's not in a good place. 00:05:47 Speaker 4: An that thing was just down there taking chunks out. 00:05:53 Speaker 1: So then we went down and shot. Then we went and shot the grouper for real. Then he went into another hole and then I was able to wrestle him out of that, but he was not Camp just Cam said, just like instantly, he's like, oh he's coming out. 00:06:06 Speaker 5: You know how you got like bird dogs, you need like group of eels? 00:06:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, if you got to eel in your pocket and that grouper goes into that network and he just. 00:06:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't. Can you spear more? 00:06:24 Speaker 2: Al? I don't know. 00:06:26 Speaker 1: I've seen you talk to people that have done it. You got your hands full when you do that. I've been told I can't even imagine what would be like to have Cam said in a in an extreme situation because Bahamas' pole spear only you can't use a spear gun, so it's all polespes but slip tips on him like a harpoon head, a detachable head. He said, if you had to and you were protecting yourself, you might, but you're just probably just gonna forget about your spear, like you're not going to get it. Yeah, and this thing, I mean, no, I've been bit by those suckers. They hurt how the group of taste I ate that particular grouper. But did you eat a group of flat It was kind of missing a chunk on the tail. Yeah, the mauled. 00:07:18 Speaker 4: And they see where it was messed up. 00:07:22 Speaker 1: You enjoyed it? Oh? 00:07:23 Speaker 4: Yes, that thing had the like dark cutter equivalent end of life. 00:07:28 Speaker 1: I don't think that works on fish. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: Wildly stress because a stressed. 00:07:35 Speaker 1: But he had a Yeah, he had a good we we we messed with that fish for probably forty five minutes. 00:07:40 Speaker 4: Damn wouldn't adventure. 00:07:42 Speaker 1: They turned in some wrestling matches. Man, Uh, all right, you did? You did a bicycle trip spencer. 00:07:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been I've been working on planning this for like a month, just getting my my gear ready for it. I was going to bike and fly fish at the same time. The fly fishing was no good though. I was in Yellowstone National Park this time of year. Ninety five percent of their water is closed to angling. 00:08:04 Speaker 3: Why was that purposes or no? 00:08:07 Speaker 4: I think to protect some native spawners, just to like in general, give fish a break down there. I don't think it's uncommon even in like Montana on non national park. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: What is there like an opening day or something? 00:08:18 Speaker 4: There is an opening day YEP, that comes around in May, I think for most of the water, but other parts have different openers. Anyway, it's only five percent of water is open right now. So I was going to bike into there as well as like probably eighty percent of their roads were closed as well. So missus Newhart, come with you, No no solo me, Me and a buddy from town here was fixing the bike, and I never got a you don't like yeah. 00:08:47 Speaker 1: I like to say no. I like to be able to see next time next I like to be able to say no. 00:08:54 Speaker 4: So I I biked in started fishing. The fishing was no good. Run off as started a little early this year, and that like five percent of water that I could fish it was just too dirty, too terrible, couldn't couldn't turn up any fish had won. 00:09:08 Speaker 1: When you pitched this segment, I think Brody pitched on Your Behalf, well, it was it was in anticipation of all the fish you're going to catch. 00:09:16 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, man, it was gonna be good. I was gonna get Yeah. I was going to be so distracted with fishing that it was just going to be a fishing trip. It wasn't gonna be a bike trip anymore. The other thing happened. The fishing was so bad that it was just a bike trip. So I ended up biking forty eight miles oh Yellowstone this weekend. You know, I could probably spend four hours fishing with no fish caught, not a nibble. There was a nibble. I had a trout offer at a streamer, had him on for probably one and a half seconds, and there was gone long distance release, long distance release, and couldn't couldn't even identify you see anything crazy crazy, no bice, I mean, what you'd expect to see in Yellowstone. 00:09:53 Speaker 2: No dead no dead critters, laying dead critters. 00:09:56 Speaker 6: No. 00:09:57 Speaker 4: I was ready for bears, though they had bears show up earlier this year, five days sooner. 00:10:01 Speaker 1: My neighbor just had one in his garbage. Couldn't believe it already. 00:10:05 Speaker 4: Bison, elk kyo, muskrat, just some standard Ye saw some scratch? Did you one one? And we got a good view to him because I was on a bridge looking down him. I've never seen him do this before, but at one point he spent probably like thirty seconds, he just gave himself to the current and floated down the current, and he looked like he was totally careless and then he dove under. 00:10:26 Speaker 3: After that, I heard the. 00:10:27 Speaker 2: River the trappings. 00:10:28 Speaker 1: Real good, we do great, I bet you do. 00:10:32 Speaker 2: Okay, we have a story coming up on something about that. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: Oh we stack him up down there, man, as we aus no one else hits it. 00:10:39 Speaker 4: It's good. 00:10:40 Speaker 1: You never figure out what's going on the season. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Something wrong? 00:10:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Spencer tell us about hunt giveaway man, Well, is that your job? We at my job? 00:10:51 Speaker 4: You you do that one. Oh, I'll cover the next one. 00:10:53 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, all right, uh right now Turkey Week. Turkey Week is on now at the meet either start so help you get ready to spring. We've rounded up some of our favorite gear for chasing gobblers, whether you're chasing them myriams or them them hard goblin Easterns. I heard one ripped the other day from my house in Yeah. 00:11:15 Speaker 7: I told you they were going, and then we had bad weather and they just look sad and like there's nothing worse looking than a wet sorry looking. 00:11:23 Speaker 1: Just before anyone gets excited about coming hunting by my house, I'll save you the hassle. It's not a hunting area, yeah, but it does get town. It gets like town birds bears too. Yeah, because town bears town birds. Anyways, I'm out there, nice, perfectly nice morning up the hill, up the hill there, and I called my neighbor. I'm like, sons of bitches are gobbling early. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: Did you call back to that bird at all? 00:11:48 Speaker 1: No? I ran in to call my neighbor. I don't know why. I'm like, they're gobbling early, dammit. 00:11:54 Speaker 3: He said, we gotta go quicker. 00:11:57 Speaker 1: And then it snowed ye and then I'm like, this is gonna not to gobble right out of them. 00:12:02 Speaker 3: There's a good amount of birds up there. Yeah. 00:12:06 Speaker 1: Uh, what was I saying? Oh, Turkey Week, we got brand new meat eater logowear, logo wear and seasonings. Turkey calls from Phelps game calls. I'm holding them the prime cuts pack right here, signature Yanni, so it's it's clay from top to bottom. It's Steve signature cut, which isn't in there because of minds. Right here, the Yanni and the clay. So from bottom to top, it's best caller, second best caller, worst caller, right, That's what I think about it. But think about it like this. My cut is meant for dudes who just want to make good turkey sounds and They're not like going to be out of competition because it's just an easy, low pressure cut. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, it's a low pressure cut. 00:12:55 Speaker 2: Did they stop making the jake break? 00:12:58 Speaker 1: I don't know if they still that was a little that's a little pressure cut. It's like, it's like easy, it's easy. My cut makes it easy to be not to be a novice diaphragm caller and get where you're making some sounds because you don't have to have so much ugh and you don't have it's just easy to use call. 00:13:17 Speaker 4: Phil Robertson always said that a live Mallard would not win a duck calling contest. That's what you people's Yeah, he's not looking to win a turkey calling contest. 00:13:27 Speaker 1: No. I kill. I kill a lot of turkeys, But I would never win a turkey calling contest here. But I but I think of the calling as being like a part of a whole bunch of other parts. 00:13:36 Speaker 3: I want to ask to try it out, but I know where it's been. 00:13:40 Speaker 1: Yep, where was I Campbell from First Light, decoys from Dave Smith, decoy's packs and accessories from fh F. Geared, a whole lot more off the twenty percent off right now. Okay. Also, First Light has the Ultimate Spring Turkey Giveaway going on. It's worth over thirteen thousand bucks from now until Sunday, April fifth. Is that easter it is? It's like early this year? Isn't it very early? Okay? You get double entries for every twenty five dollars spent, So twenty entries for every does that make sense? You get double. 00:14:20 Speaker 2: Entries for every ten per Now it's twenty per Oh, you. 00:14:24 Speaker 1: Get a whole bunch of entries when you buy something. 00:14:26 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:27 Speaker 1: And part of the Turkey Hunt giveaways, you win a hunt, so you can win a hunt and all the gear to go hunting at this deal. Check it out now through April fifth at store dot the meat eater dot com or do you spencer. 00:14:44 Speaker 4: There's another giveaway on the meat eater dot com. This is a photo contest regarding uncommon turkey colors. The article is called odd Turkey Plumage photo contests where you can enter a picture of the rare turkeys that you've seen or killed. This is supporting the work that doctor Mike Chamberlain is doing with the Wild Turkey Lab to do research on wild turkey DNA, genetic diversity, inbreeding, potential gene flow and hybridization. The Wild Turkey Lab wants you to send genetic samples of your turkey's tongue, but our Turkey Plumage contest is just for photos. You can go enter them on our website and there are only two entries so far. You have until April six to enter the contests. There's three top prize because. 00:15:29 Speaker 1: You got to shoot a weird colored turkey. 00:15:31 Speaker 4: Or CE one or C one and there's three prizes. We're giving away all sorts of really good gears. So if you if you have a photo of a cool turkey you've killed or seen, you should go. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: Enter it now. 00:15:42 Speaker 4: If I was entering it, here's what I would submit. This was a turkey I saw in twenty fourteen. I was leaving work heading to class and this was at a go kart track and this turkey was hanging around. 00:15:54 Speaker 1: I turned out a domestic vibe to it. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: Well. 00:15:57 Speaker 4: So this area has some colonies that are known for their large turkey populations, so this could have been one that had like crossed with a domestic or colonies like a Hood Orwight colony. They raised a lot of domestic turkeys, and so guys will talk about if you want to kill a smoke faced turkey, you go hunting, you the colony. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: This is a good question for Chamberlain when I people are always sending me these uh huh. So far two people this spring have sent me the smoke turkey smoke phase. 00:16:28 Speaker 4: It's the most common of the uncommon plumage. 00:16:31 Speaker 1: What I see when I'm seeing that, and I'm open to corrections, and you might win yourself a prize. What I see when I'm seeing that is domestic introgression. Sure, there he goes again. Whenever you say, Steve Spencer, it hit me last night what you're telling Spencer stuff. He'll sometimes say sure, and I was like, there's something about it, and Brody says, it's the same thing as going whatever you say, Buddy. 00:17:00 Speaker 4: Is trying to be a good active listener, tell you that I'm here, and I was like, that's. 00:17:04 Speaker 1: It, Brody, hit it. It's it's whatever you say, sure, sure, yeah, whatever you say. Sometimes it's ones. Sometimes it's like whatever you say, Buddy, so. 00:17:15 Speaker 4: Go atter that contest. The medeater dot Com show Steve all of your smoke faced turkeys. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: Yep, and I'll say to you, looks like domestic intro aggression. But there's got to be something to it. And I'm sure we'll ask Chamberlain. We'll ask Mike Chamberlain if we need to. 00:17:31 Speaker 7: Uh. 00:17:31 Speaker 1: Max came to me there to day and said, hey, well, first off, we have a pond. We have our office has a pond. 00:17:38 Speaker 3: You have a couple of ponds. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're on a little it's like a I don't even call it, like a campuses. Yeah, we're like in a campus. There's a there's a there's a little ditch that comes through it, and there's a couple dredged out ponds. And Brody estimates the trout population at four many. Brody believe her to be four to five trout and one muskrat is in our last night there was two geese in it. 00:18:02 Speaker 4: We should start tagging the. 00:18:04 Speaker 3: Floating on that north pond. 00:18:06 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, because it's dead coon in air, the shoe geese. There is a Pairmallard. 00:18:10 Speaker 2: It's like a bona fide farm pond. 00:18:13 Speaker 4: There's no garbage because we cleaned it out. 00:18:15 Speaker 1: There's a new piece of garbage I was looking at at first, I thought it was something floating dead, and I realized it's new garbage. We got to do a new cleanup because there's new garbage in the pond. It keeps moving back and forth from side to side. Max said, Hey, who do I gotta ask to put a nesting box on the pond? And I said, I don't know, but yes, so talk about that Max. 00:18:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're trying to raise some ducks this year this spring Delta Waterfall came up with these houses they're called henhouses, where it's just a wire cylinder basically on a pole over the water. And the reason why they came up. 00:18:58 Speaker 1: With these that's a tea post right, yeah. 00:19:00 Speaker 3: And the reason why they came up with these was due to habitat change and predator increases, nests success dropped, and so they thought, oh, why don't we put something above the water that these nest predators can't get to, And so they came up with this henhouse back in like the nineteen nineties. I think they've been around for like three five years. 00:19:21 Speaker 1: That's that old design. Yeah, Because you don't have to be like a crack commando raccoon to get yourself up that team post. 00:19:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it would be like it would be like a squirrel climbing up a bird feeder almost, but it's like a really skinny pole. Yeah yeah in water, Yeah, in water. And so these were designed specifically for mallards. 00:19:41 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? What makes them that way? 00:19:44 Speaker 3: I guess I don't have an answer for. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: That, but it fits what they like. 00:19:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, So cont like people think that mallard's nest like or ducks nest in water, but they actually nest away from the water and then they hatch their duckling and walk to the water. But these henhouses put them right over the water. So those duck lands the first thing they do, they're right in the water. They don't have no traveling to do, no predators can get them. And so I think I researched some stats here, and sixty higher in a henhouse than just a regular nest. Yeah, successful nests. So yeah, a hen can start using one of these and have a twelve twelve times better odds as rather than nesting in just the ground. 00:20:37 Speaker 2: Is that someone been poking around back? 00:20:39 Speaker 3: I looked every single morning. 00:20:40 Speaker 4: What are the odds you think a blackbird just makes a nest in there instead? 00:20:44 Speaker 3: That's a great question. I hope it doesn't, I'll shoot it out of there. 00:20:48 Speaker 1: I haven't seen any red wing blackbirds down there. 00:20:50 Speaker 7: I've seen Canada geese nest in an elevated platform, some phone poles. 00:20:56 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but yeah, this is just like a wire cylinder and so like it's a perfect size for a duck to get in there. And that's it, Mai. It's already filled with straw grass. And that's another thing too. Mallards don't bring any kind of nest material to their nest. Yeah, So like a robin or like a bald eagle, they'll go around collecting sticks and like build a nest. A mallard will just like sit there and like peck around and like. 00:21:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess like not because I was saying I stumble into him hunting morel I never thought about that. They're not supplementing it. It's just in a little dish and leaves. 00:21:38 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm hoping we can raise a some ducklings and be great if. 00:21:46 Speaker 1: The first thing we'll see is we'll see a duck sitting on top of that thing in it, I thinking we'll see one's standing. That's gonna be in my mind the day it happens. It's gonna be someone's gonna see one standing on it. Yeah, why my little mind movie, that's what happens. 00:22:02 Speaker 3: Sh Well, no, I've well, we could do that. But if a head mallard ness in there, I'm gonna be sitting there with the camera for a couple hours each day and just wait for those ducklings to come out in there, because I think it would be just an epic shot of duck lanes just popping out. 00:22:18 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:22:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you could push them out, you know, he could do that. 00:22:21 Speaker 4: Swim out there and give that. Do you envision a local or a migrator? 00:22:27 Speaker 3: Probably a local for sure. Yeah, there's like a group. I mean, I wouldn't say a group, but there's probably like five to six pairs on our ponds right now, and so I'm hoping one of those hops in there. 00:22:40 Speaker 1: So that's great. 00:22:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't. 00:22:42 Speaker 4: See's got the ba if you were ducks Max, that's great. 00:22:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:22:46 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:22:47 Speaker 3: People can look at adult Waterfall dot org to find out more about these hein houses. Then there's different programs where you can donate some money and I'll actually like get henhouses. 00:22:57 Speaker 1: See that's what it's telling you. I want a couple, I know, just wrong to put my. 00:23:00 Speaker 3: Well, I know a guy, my buddy, Garrett Humphrey, who helps out with the local chapter here in Bozeman. He's got a pile of them, so yep, I'd like to do that. Yeah, we'll get just where to put them. 00:23:12 Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for corrections. Corrections, corrections, Okay, uh corrections today. The winner of today's corrections wins the setup to COB's boots. I'm holding one up right here, But you can pick what everyone's you want these maybe miss Sess been out on paternity leave. 00:23:31 Speaker 3: What size or those. 00:23:33 Speaker 1: Ten and a half? Ten and a half. I'm just guessing sesspen out on paternityly but he wears he wears a square toe. Every time I touch this, I feel like I'm touching sets foot. You can pick what you want. I'm telling you what though, dude, just the leather smells like brand new leather. Go pick out and eat to covid as you want if you win the corrections. Now, we had to do something a little bit different. So, oh, Nate Mason's here. Nate Mason came up with this joke a little late, but he came up with it never. 00:24:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, shit kickers for nitpickers. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: The most genius thing I've heard all week. Shit kickers from nitpickers. Uh. But here's the deal. So many corrections came in about TSS. Brody's who did you do TSS report? A lot of people fired up about TSS. And don't worry because we're going to talk a lot about TSS today in the news segment here. So we're gonna do a quick showdown. Of course, when in order to win the boots, there's three corrections. But we're doing like a deal this week. We got to do a competition to enter the competition, so very quickly, three TSS. The winner of this goes to the finals. No March madness like golf. No, it's like March madness. 00:24:49 Speaker 7: This next round here, this first TSS round of corrections. 00:24:54 Speaker 2: These are some nit pickers man. 00:24:57 Speaker 1: Okay, ship kickers for nickers. Okay, So for a spot in the finals. TSS correction one. My name is Ian up where's my glass? And I'm from Upstate New York. While listening to episode eight five three, and you were talking about TSS, ammo and we're not totally sure on when they were introduced, and again a clarification, an omission a, that's corrections. Sure, he says, twenty eighteen, Federal Premium became the first large manufacturer to produce TSS great twenty eighteen, thank you, TSS two slight correction to the claim. I believe it was Brody's claim that tungsten is very heat resistant. Well, he goes out. The corrector says, tungsten is actually the most heat resistant pure metals. All. Yeah, No, very huge difference. If I say the tallest man on Earth and he comes in, and I go, this is my buddy. He's very tall, right, and someone's like, well, he's the tallest man on Earth. I think it's just no, it's different. I would say, here's my buddy, he's the tallest man on earth. Okay, it's just different. 00:26:35 Speaker 9: There are a lot more men than there are kinds of metal. 00:26:37 Speaker 1: Okay, the melting's going to get a correction. The melting get this, get just close your eyes and picture this. The melting point is six thousand ninety two fahrenheit seven hundred degrees higher. What's the handle them? 00:26:57 Speaker 2: What's the temperature of the sun? 00:26:58 Speaker 1: A lot. I go so far as to say it's the hottest thing. 00:27:07 Speaker 2: It wouldn't survive the sun. 00:27:11 Speaker 1: That's why it's used as an electrode. When tig welding, which was introduced in the nineteen forties, he goes down to say very heat resistant. 00:27:19 Speaker 7: Ha, it actually says very heat resistant is not an incorrect claim. 00:27:26 Speaker 1: Oh, that's what it says. 00:27:30 Speaker 5: It doesn't do the metal justice. 00:27:32 Speaker 1: Okay, So Brody under selling tungsten. Oh yeah, TSS number three. 00:27:37 Speaker 2: Next, I oversell. 00:27:38 Speaker 1: It, bro TSS number three, He starts out. I appreciate this. He starts out, says I don't have the credit or the credentials to offer this correction. He says, in fact, I'm horrible as science related subjects. But that just goes to show that any person can do good. Regular Joe, Yeah, but Brody can't do good. 00:27:59 Speaker 2: No. 00:28:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, this guy says, I have a forty year old Why does that matter? 00:28:07 Speaker 5: Like a cousin who's maybe. 00:28:08 Speaker 7: Maybe he's very young, and he's trying to establish bona fides because his cousin is old. 00:28:14 Speaker 4: Well, he's going to tell you about a Christmas thing. 00:28:16 Speaker 1: You know, his cousin's forty. I don't care. You know what it could be that he's like, we've been cousin so long, you know, I don't think that's it. Okay, he's got a forty year old cousin to ask for this. Cousin asked for Christmas. Oh, I get it now. What kind of four year. 00:28:38 Speaker 9: Old guy six year would ask? 00:28:41 Speaker 1: Okay, that's why it's goofy. His goofy forty year old cousin requested a one by one inch piece of tungsten. This guy says it is heavy. He says it's so heavy. They talk about that it like it has its own gravitational pull, which it does. But he's not a science guy. Yes, you're right, that is gravity pulling on your cube. He goes down with this correction. When Brody last week said that TSS is twice as dense as lead, I kept thinking, there's no way. 00:29:25 Speaker 7: I would like the true because I think I said about twice, but. 00:29:31 Speaker 1: You said twice. Because he says there's no way, because I've held a two point two pound cube of tungsten, and in fact Brody was wrong. Tungsten isn't twice as heavy. It's one point time. One point seven times is dense. 00:29:50 Speaker 2: And math that's a long ways, I guess. 00:29:52 Speaker 1: He says, I know this is splitting hairs, but if it was two x, then it would be the here's where it rubber hits the road. It this is where gets mean. No, if it was two x as Brody claimed, it would be the densest naturally occurring material on Earth. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: Why can't we have some of this stuff? 00:30:13 Speaker 1: But it's not. It's that is held by osmium, which is one point nine nine times as dense as led. So not only was Brody wrong when he said two times, but the thing that's more dense than it still is it two times? He was very wrong, very wrong. But this person pitches the idea of osmium super shot exactly. I don't know what osmium is going for these days, but I've never heard of it, which makes me think it's not his correction though, well, here can you hold it? Because there's a problem. These guys aren't even in corrections. Who do we vote for to advance to the finals? We have Brody being wrong about Brody being wrong about not knowing when it came out, we have Brody being wrong about how hot you got to get it to miss I like the last one, And we have Brody being wrong about how dense it. 00:31:22 Speaker 2: Is the last one because. 00:31:27 Speaker 1: Okay, so he's into the finals. 00:31:29 Speaker 9: I like his I like his flavor text at the end about osmium to No. 00:31:32 Speaker 1: He did a really good job. And he's the guy who's not a science guy. Okay, so he's in the finals. So that is correction number one. 00:31:41 Speaker 4: He's going to have to give one of his boots to his cousin. 00:31:44 Speaker 1: Though, who knows. Maybe they I don't know, they only have one. I don't know, who knows, we kind of I don't know. Watching a movie the other night and it was and it was mostly cast with just non actors. Okay, it's a phenomenal movie. And there was one of the main characters is missing an arm and one of the main characters is missing a leg, and I was thinking to myself, that's such an interesting call. And then I read that they didn't use professional actors. They just cast it from people that they saw and introduced themselves to and cast the movie that way. 00:32:27 Speaker 4: You don't want to tell us what it's called. 00:32:29 Speaker 1: French movie, it's it's a lot of French, a lot of Spanish. It's a dude trying to find his daughter who is vanished into the into the Moroccan desert. Rave scene and it has mega mad Max overtones and gets very stressful. 00:32:45 Speaker 3: Netflix or No. 00:32:49 Speaker 1: I bought it on this I've been every day. I checked to see if it was available, and became available. I bought it for a lot of money on Apple on you know, the iTunes store whatever they call that nowadays, the Apple Store. Yeah, go on, Brody's going to offer a correction. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. 00:33:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, Apple TV. 00:33:06 Speaker 7: Hopefully you guys were listening a couple of weeks back when we talked about the Colorado fur Band. We've got a correction from Jeff. I don't have his last name, but we'll figure it out if we need to. Okay, I just listened to the news podcast where you talked about the Colorado Furband petition voted on by the CPW Commission. During that bit, Steve remarked that nuisance beaver's and other fur bears taken for nuisance reasons will now be left to right with no fur taken. That's actually not true. That's the insane part of this story that's not being told, and honestly, I'm not. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: Sure if it should be told. I'll let you be the judge. 00:33:41 Speaker 1: I like this because he's saying I messed up, But it's because it's so insane that it's excusable that I messed up. 00:33:48 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know off the hook. 00:33:51 Speaker 7: Okay, when the when the Commission adopts the regulation banning the sale of wild animal furs in Colorado, it will only apply to fur bears taken recreationally. Statutes are already in place that state fur bear is taken for damage or agricultural purposes can be retained or sold by those taken those those that have taken that statutes trump regulations. This is in both Title thirty three and Title thirty five of the Colorado Revived Statutes. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: YadA, YadA. 00:34:23 Speaker 7: It is an enforced, unenforceable law, and the Commission was told as much by CPW law enforcement. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: As soon as a bobcat. 00:34:31 Speaker 7: Is sealed, there's no way to know if it was harvested recreationally or through damage purposes. This is the part that makes me uncomfortable with those for the ban. I don't want them to know this loophole. Oh, there's any There isn't any way to find out if any fur bear was taken for damaged purposes. You can still harvest fur bears recreationally and nothing says you can't sell them in another state either. This whole thing is ridiculous and the commission shame CPW, and this ridiculous prize says, oh. 00:35:01 Speaker 1: Because a little thanks to Brody read that party. 00:35:04 Speaker 7: I can tell you that CPW is as frustrated with this as you are, which is this is good job. 00:35:09 Speaker 1: Brody has correction number two. So to recap, we got osmium super shot. Brody screwed up on the fur band. 00:35:19 Speaker 9: No, you did, but it's okay. 00:35:23 Speaker 1: Here's the last one. This is a good one. This is an important one. On the most recent news podcast, Bear Newcomb mentioned that Oklahoma was working toward approving the release of captive deer that are and Bear used this word that are immune to CWD into the wild. I wish I would have caught that. I didn't catch that very rightfully. The guy says the correct term would be resistant. Okay, even though that is still in question, and he talks about how we ourselves covered that episode seven six in the podcast titled The Truth about Chronic Wasting Disease. Okay, So, according to the National Deer Association, deer that carry the nine to six SS genotype could experience a longer incubation period prior to perishing to the disease, but this does not prevent them from getting it. So resistant or delayed but not known to be immune. Okay, so there's the three things. The Brody being wrong on tungsten, me being understandably mistaken on the Colorado furband, or Bear Newcom not choosing his words carefully on chronic wasting disease. This is tough, this for the cod boots. 00:36:56 Speaker 2: Let's go around the table. 00:36:58 Speaker 1: Max, No, no, you don't vote like that. 00:37:01 Speaker 2: Come on, I want to build up tension. 00:37:04 Speaker 1: Tungsten, Tungsten, vote that quickly. Hold but Phil, what did you vote for? 00:37:13 Speaker 10: I was gonna vote for number two? 00:37:14 Speaker 1: So you did vote. It's not decided. I'm sorry, Tungsten. Okay, just I'm just out of curiosity. What were you gonna vote for? 00:37:23 Speaker 10: Number two? 00:37:24 Speaker 4: I do see w D what you guys lost. It's fine. 00:37:28 Speaker 1: So the tungsten guy not only did he win the playoffs, yeah. 00:37:35 Speaker 5: Wow, Chris Lund. 00:37:37 Speaker 10: But he didn't have a mistake. 00:37:38 Speaker 5: We will reach out to you. 00:37:40 Speaker 11: His cube dimensions should be one inch by one inch by one inch. 00:37:44 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, well take that, Chris if it's a cube, then it's implied by one inch cube. 00:37:53 Speaker 10: So Chris, you know, just check it. 00:37:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's send him some uh one side. Yeah, we might have to like scuff him, like scuff him up a little bit or something for you gotta scuff him up. That's a great point. Yeah, one inch cube. That covers it in his face. 00:38:15 Speaker 2: He did say he doesn't have he lacks credentials, So come. 00:38:18 Speaker 9: On, well, is redundancy you know, is that something we need to correct? 00:38:22 Speaker 1: You know? 00:38:23 Speaker 9: Yes, bait. 00:38:24 Speaker 1: Okay, if someone wrote in and he says, hey, I got a correction about redundancy, I'd let it slip in there. He might win some boots. I don't know. Great, all right, Brody audience emails. Brody Kid wrote in about some lambs. 00:38:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, this is great because it's not an email. It's actually a handwritten letter. So I love this kid already. 00:38:40 Speaker 4: We just got this today breaking news. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. Hello. 00:38:45 Speaker 7: My name is Easton Sutter. I'm twelve years old and I am a sixth grader at Fort Recovery Junior High and Fort Recovery, Ohio. 00:38:53 Speaker 2: Kid writes a great letter. Fort Recovery is. 00:38:55 Speaker 4: A small rural farm town in the middle of nowhere that nobody. 00:38:58 Speaker 2: Has ever heard of. 00:39:00 Speaker 1: It really sets the sea. 00:39:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:39:02 Speaker 7: I love hunting, fishing, and pretty much anything in nature. This past year I went turkey, rabbit and deer hunting with my dad. This past year season, I shot my first buck. My favorite part of hunting is spending one on one time with my dad. When you ride in the car, the first thing we typically do is turn on the Meat Eater podcast or trivia, but sadly we have not gotten to try Meat Eater turtle. There you go, Spencer has tried your wordle turtle. My dad is really good at trivia and would make a great addition to the Meat Eater crew. I love that I am an active member of This is where it gets real good. I'm an active member of four h and this year my project. For my project, I have to show I have two show lambs. Their names are Steve and Brody. There was a third named Yanni, but it had a bummed leg and was sent to the chop house. 00:39:57 Speaker 1: Sounds about right. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: I wanted to know if you would like to bid on my lamb. 00:40:05 Speaker 7: So if you guys want to figure that out, the audience, you can bid on his lambs. The money I will make will go into future college expenses, and if you are interested, I have closed the information to do so. Thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing back from you. Here's to lots more car rides with meat Eater on the radio. 00:40:23 Speaker 1: So does he ship those lambs the lamb meat to us? 00:40:26 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. We'll have to get in touch with him. He used snail mail, so we're gonna have to figure it out. 00:40:32 Speaker 1: Huh, hope someone buys the land easton Sutter. 00:40:35 Speaker 7: If you're listening to us, send us an email so we can, uh, we can figure some stuff out for you. 00:40:41 Speaker 1: Someone I know offered to have a bunch of pasture and they offered to my daughter that she could raise a cow on there. So she's telling everybody she's gonna start raising paddle the money. I'm like, what look into this little bit. There's a couple of complicating factors here. We need to consider. 00:41:00 Speaker 2: Amiani from the chop House. 00:41:03 Speaker 1: Okay, I just thought here's another one. Oh, this is just an update. Remember if you guys listened to the show, you remember we were really pushing that mountain goat raffle in Alaska. Man that came in. That was a great fundraiser for the organization they raised. You guys, really, you guys did two things. Everyone that came into support, and we drove a bunch of support. There. You did two things. You helped them raise a bunch of money, and you also shot your odds to all to help on the on the Alaska Mountain Goat raffle. They raised one hundred and ten thousand, seven hundred and ninety five thousand dollars, says the far and away the most money raised with an Alaska goat tag. Damn. They're real happy with all that. Now, I noticed that I have not gotten my tag in the mail. Then it might because I don't know. I'm those statistician about these odds are rough. On top of this the Delta Junction Bison tag. Get this two hundred and thirteen grand, four hundred and forty thousand dollars. Unreal. That's that's what I like to see, Is I like to see those raffles? 00:42:03 Speaker 7: Yeah, because that's getting up into Governor's tag money there. 00:42:06 Speaker 1: Yep, because you got this whole We've talked about one hundred times on the podcast. You got the Governor's tags they auction it to the highest bidder, and it brings a lot of money for stuff. But it's just like like Joe blow working dude is not in the running on a governor's tag, and it puts the conservation groups in a pickle. You could do a raffle and have anybody have a chance to win, but you're not going to raise much money. You do a governor's tag and and you have like a handful of billionaires have a chance to win, and it's a bunch of money. So to see these really successful, like really successful raffles is cool because like anybody can participate, everybody's got a chance to win, and then you still get a nice price tag toward conservation work. 00:42:51 Speaker 3: What was the price for putting in for the raffle? 00:42:54 Speaker 1: I can't remember. I bought. I bought. I bought an undisclosed dollar amount worth of entries. Okay, not that I didn't. 00:43:03 Speaker 3: I didn't didn't go crazy. 00:43:04 Speaker 1: I'll disclose about a hundred bucks worth of entry. Yeah, about a hundred bucks. 00:43:12 Speaker 4: Oh brody, Oh yeah, it's Turkey Week. 00:43:16 Speaker 7: I covered this a little bit in the first part of this in Radio Live, I think a while back. But I'll start over and cover both parts. 00:43:27 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, we didn't eat the damn it. Where's this part where we eat the jerky? Yeah I missed that. Okay, do you want to start off? 00:43:40 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:43:40 Speaker 1: I don't know. I have so. Remember we were talking on the news show about making jerky out of nuts, dear nuts. Okay, he sent us the nuts, and I was saying, don't poisonous, he said. The guy rode in, one grown man to another. You a dry deer nut is one of the weirdest things I've done. Now, my wife told me to send you some of that dried heart. Unfortunately for you, I have eaten the heart. It was excellent. You are one of the few hunters that he says, some nice stuff. He fought fire up here, and he goes on the jerky. I dry smoke and preserved meat as folks has for generations before me. In my neck of the woods, the Caddo and Comanche tribes dried strips of meat that sustained him throughout the year. So here's the nut. So he's got one nut, says normal non nut jerky contains no nuts. You guys, try that, this is just meat. And then here's the dry testicle. This is deer nut jerky. He wrote a note to saying that he didn't poison us, not because of it was like technically hard. He says, he's not that kind of guy. 00:44:55 Speaker 4: Ah, it'd be easy to pull off though, if he. 00:44:57 Speaker 1: Was saying if he wanted to poison us, he would have. But he's just that that that kind of guy. So here's the nut. This is the This is a dried nut. 00:45:05 Speaker 3: Are you expecting has that texture? 00:45:07 Speaker 5: Because when it's. 00:45:11 Speaker 2: Carved, me off a honk of that? Or does it break? 00:45:15 Speaker 3: Does it just tastes like smoked charaoke flavor? 00:45:21 Speaker 4: It looks the same as the rest of the jerky, like like jerky. 00:45:25 Speaker 5: But nuts are nuts are much whiter than you. 00:45:30 Speaker 4: Can give a dispenser names off putting finish, EXE Spencer off putting finish. 00:45:38 Speaker 3: The jerky is tough ship. 00:45:42 Speaker 1: I'm surprised at a nut. I'm surprised the testicle dries up like that. 00:45:46 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, you didn't slice it all. 00:45:49 Speaker 1: That's very pasty, very pasty finish. You don't think he sliced. 00:45:55 Speaker 7: Sliced and that that uh, it smells like whatever you. 00:46:00 Speaker 2: Want to call that. On the out it's not very good. 00:46:03 Speaker 4: Well, well, I don't. 00:46:06 Speaker 7: Think it's like as bad as you guys. 00:46:09 Speaker 1: Okay, just cut that in half. 00:46:11 Speaker 4: And give me I wouldn't need to eat that ever. 00:46:13 Speaker 1: Again. Here, here's all I like to think of bad foods. I'm not offended, but here's a measure of bad foods. My wife recently bought these salted dried I don't know why she bought them, salted dried prunes, and I was like, my god, that's bad when I ate one. But then I put left in my truck, and a few times I drove around and I'd eat one, and I take to myself, my god, that's bad. But you kept eating them and eventually threw it away. If he sent me a sack of those nuts, I would probably another time eat one and be like, my god, that's bad. 00:46:53 Speaker 3: Krin spitting it out and I eat a lot of I don't like. 00:46:59 Speaker 1: Your big talk. You didn't need to clean your plate. 00:47:04 Speaker 3: Chew. 00:47:05 Speaker 1: Oh, I quite like it. 00:47:06 Speaker 3: I like it. 00:47:08 Speaker 7: I just don't think it's like the worst thing I've ever had eat it. 00:47:11 Speaker 1: I don't I like it. 00:47:13 Speaker 4: I know how good like a deer testicle can taste, and it's like a like a very pleasant thing to eat. And this was not that. 00:47:21 Speaker 2: Like outer memorhis like skin membrane. 00:47:25 Speaker 5: It's got guys. 00:47:26 Speaker 9: Don't do that at home. 00:47:28 Speaker 4: Boy, But that's a satisfying result, now I know that. 00:47:31 Speaker 1: Like that. 00:47:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd rather smell that castors and castor oil than eat that. 00:47:41 Speaker 1: Remember on the We Are the World video, they use those little things to protect their microphones. 00:47:46 Speaker 4: No, I don't remember that. 00:47:50 Speaker 1: Oh Phil, don't don't pull that up. But can you pull the guy up all riled up about going turkey hunting? 00:47:56 Speaker 9: If you I need a link, I don't even know what to search for, send it to yep. 00:48:00 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, bro to do your thing now. Folks listening at home here, this is you're gonna don't don't think that this is just don't think that this is just local news for us, right, because this is like a management strategy you should be aware of. That's what I was thinking. 00:48:17 Speaker 2: A trend that's happening more and more. 00:48:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a trend that's. 00:48:20 Speaker 2: Regarding non resident hunters. 00:48:22 Speaker 6: Uh. 00:48:23 Speaker 7: Last year Montana Senate Bill five fourteen was passed, and uh we I like somehow it went like under the radar for a while at least for me. 00:48:36 Speaker 1: I never heard hiding her hair about. 00:48:38 Speaker 2: It, but then I caught onto it because I hunt pheasants. 00:48:41 Speaker 1: Can I interrupt one second? You want to know what's wrong with that jerky? You know, when you're eating jerky, normally you chew it a while and you wind up with kind of like a cud. You're chewing, chewing, chewing that nut jerky, and all of a sudden it's a paste. 00:48:58 Speaker 9: Yeah, go on, is that still in your mouth? 00:49:04 Speaker 2: Okay? 00:49:05 Speaker 7: So sen it Bill five fourteen. It grants resident Upland bird hunters a ten day head start over non residents. Now, the reason I again I caught this was a regarding pheasant season, but other other Upland birds, sharp tail grouse, hungarian partment and stuff like that. I think that season for pheasants anyway, starts early October. Now, non resident hunters have to wait ten days before they can hunt them on public land or on like private land that has public access. 00:49:39 Speaker 2: Programs like block management in Montana. 00:49:42 Speaker 1: But they're not jumping the season earlier. It's just your loose. Non residents lose ten day exactly. 00:49:47 Speaker 7: And if those non resident hunters have access to private private good. 00:49:51 Speaker 2: Day can go hunt. 00:49:53 Speaker 7: What I didn't realize is that because Montana categorizes turkeys as upland game birds, this rule also applies to. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Spring turkey season. 00:50:05 Speaker 7: So spring turkey opens April fifteenth in Montana, non residents can't start hunting them on public or private with public access till April twenty fifth. 00:50:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then, weirdly, and this kind of pisses me off, they exempted mountain grass. They did, do I get it. 00:50:27 Speaker 7: The only thing I can think of is there's a bunch of non resident archery hunters elk hunters out there that are sticking grass. 00:50:34 Speaker 1: For That's not why. 00:50:36 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:50:36 Speaker 4: I had the same as there's just no there's a very little pressure on those mountain birds. 00:50:40 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I think they should have all are none? 00:50:43 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know, Like yeah either way. So this is, like, you know, it's a pretty big change, and I think follows a trend of mostly Western states. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: Doing what they can to limit the impact. 00:51:01 Speaker 7: Of non resident hunting pressure and doing something where they can, like present a regulation saying we're trying to alleviate this pressure that you guys are talking about. 00:51:13 Speaker 2: You've seen it. Colorado went away from over the counter archery elk tags. 00:51:19 Speaker 7: Montana cut a number of non resident mule deer tags. Wyoming has lowered their cap on all non resident tags. So it's just like this trend that has happened. I think it's going to continue. 00:51:34 Speaker 1: To more like you have a growing number of residents yep, as more people leave cities, leave high tax areas, so you're growing numbers of residents in Wyoming Montana. Idoh, and then and then like the pieyes be cut up differently. 00:51:53 Speaker 7: Yeah, And I'd honestly like as far as pheasant season, like it's nice to be out there the first few days when you're shooting young of the year dumb birds, right, but it's a three month season. 00:52:04 Speaker 2: You're not losing that much as a non. 00:52:05 Speaker 7: Resident turkey's in Montana. There's some years weatherwise where you can't hunt the first or don't want to hunt the first week of the season anyway, and. 00:52:13 Speaker 3: Like all the birds are hend up anyway, So it's like, so not a big deal. Hold what I I personally think that first like fifteen days of the season, there's a lot of birds, a lot of toms that are hend up. 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Like snow storms and ship like, Yeah, but yeah, okay, either way, there you go. 00:52:36 Speaker 1: I have thoughts. Uh, this is one of those deals where you got I try to like, so it's my state right where I live, so you like, so to myself, I'm going like, sweet dude, stick it to them, right, But so just acknowledging that truth. Yeah, I feel obligated to point out a couple of details or point out a couple minor counterpoints just to just to open it all to be fair where you get into trouble. Even though I like this, I like this because this is you know, helps helps me out where you get into trouble. Is non resident licenses keeps the lights on at the fishing game agents. Listen. 00:53:18 Speaker 7: That's why I think you're seeing it with pheasants and turkeys and not elk, Like they're not going to push rifle elk season back ten days that you'll see that they might. 00:53:28 Speaker 1: But that's what that's what keeps the lights on. And it could be that the that the agency is sitting there saying what people really want, and it would be enormous Like if you let's say you did a states you did a vote in a state referendum, any state, don'tkay, you did Montana, Cold, any state Wisconsin. You did a state vote and said, hey, should non residents have to wait ten days to start dear having with a rifle. It would pass everywhere. The agency is going to be like the hold on a minute, because all of our funding comes from non resident You guys are all hunting deer for thirty bucks. These guys are paying three hundred bucks a huntred well. 00:54:05 Speaker 7: And there's also the outfitters to consider you'd shrink their season, you know that, who. 00:54:09 Speaker 1: Would be pissed. Yeah, yeah, you're right. So it's like it's like you can kind of scratch the itch yep a little bit, and maybe it's like you're scratching the itch a little bit where you're not gonna hurt the agency's funding model. The other thing is I look at it like from this perspective, because I jump, I hunt all over the place, you know, I jump from state to state and hunt. So here I'm going like, let's say, like I go to we hunt the kiddie season, we hunt the youth season Wisconsin. Every year. If someone said, all of a sudden, they says it's a two day youth season, and someone comes and says, hey, the first day of Wisconsin's youth season is resident only. I would say, oh, man, yeah, but what and I'd be all bummed out. But you'd still go I wouldn't have this. What could I do? Boy, it's not in my state. I would feel like it was someone else deciding something and I was not part of the decision making process. I'd be bummed. So I get it that people are bummed, But at the same time, went just to be like totally upfront and honest. When I saw this, I'm like, us cool, yeah. 00:55:14 Speaker 2: Because yeah, I mean I'm not crying because. 00:55:17 Speaker 1: There's a self serving element to everything. 00:55:19 Speaker 7: Like, look, I think they would do as much of this as they could if they thought they could get away with but there's a ceiling to it, Like you said, they can only go so far with it. 00:55:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, the real losers and anything like this, the real losers are. And if you take this state, the real losers, it's Washington in Minnesota because those dudes hunt this state hard. 00:55:47 Speaker 2: Hard yep. 00:55:48 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I've got that video of you watching. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is great. I like this guy check this out. This is just right now. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: He said this, I think yesterday. 00:56:00 Speaker 1: Listen to this guy We'll kill a turkey in the morning. Could someone say who someone that knows about sports say who he is? 00:56:09 Speaker 10: Isn't that the I think. 00:56:12 Speaker 3: Women's Yeah, Texas Longhorns coach. 00:56:14 Speaker 1: Okay, Texas longharn. 00:56:16 Speaker 3: And they just advanced to the final four. 00:56:18 Speaker 1: He's got a fishing net around his neck. No, that's joke. That's a sports joke. 00:56:23 Speaker 3: I was making sure was making sure you knew what it was. 00:56:28 Speaker 1: He's got a basketball hoop around his neck. They just won. Turkey in the morning. 00:56:32 Speaker 8: I'll be in office by ten o'clock and I'll be in the film watching film, getting ready. And then the second thing is I'm gonna leave for Phoenix tomorrow. Just being honest, that's gonna happen. I've earned that right to be in the woods for a couple hours in the morning calling a turkey, and then we'll get ready for whoever's you know, whatever. 00:56:55 Speaker 2: Is going to happen after that. 00:56:56 Speaker 8: But I'll watch film tonight, absolutely all the way home. I'll watch it till I can't stay awake tonight, just like I've done here for four or five straight nights. But I'm gonna treat myself in the morning too. It might not even take longer than thirty minutes, if I can call that dude off the roost. After that, I'll be in the office and I'll be getting ready for UCLA. 00:57:19 Speaker 1: Amen, and has a good hunt. He got one? 00:57:22 Speaker 3: I found out. Yeah, I had to like google it. But on Twitter he posted a photo of you got one. 00:57:27 Speaker 11: The next morning, he was so into thinking about turkeys he couldn't remember who. 00:57:31 Speaker 10: They were playing the next day. At the beginning of that interview. 00:57:36 Speaker 1: Okay, I was talking to name Mason the other day. He's joining us right now. He was out patterning his shotgun innocently, unaware of the turkey of the TSS explosion, price explosion. 00:57:52 Speaker 10: Vaguely. 00:57:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, munit. Like you know, you don't need to be a great student of the news to know that there's a lot of ordnance getting blown up right now around the world. People dropping bombs all over the place. The military uses a lot of tungsten in ordnance, in munitions. They are there's a tungsten shortage. This kind of ties into US duking it out with China about certain rare minerals metals. I had a guy came to me. I don't want to say my source because I could be wrong. A guy that's in the Ammo business texted me that he heard from the major Ammo manufacturer that TSS, as as as an Ammo TSS turkey loads, TSS is done. He says, it's all going to the government, and it's time to figure out your next bullet, your next shot. I don't know osmium supershot to TSS is over. I'm explaining this to Nate Mason and we're talking about that a TSS round is about six times more expensive than what he uses. And he said, is it six times better? And I said no, maybe it's like one point four times better. And it inspired him to go on and make his own website. Yep, the tsstest dot com. 00:59:29 Speaker 10: You can go there right now. 00:59:30 Speaker 1: He's parked on that domain for one year for a dollar cost me. 00:59:34 Speaker 10: It cost me one eight. 00:59:37 Speaker 1: Did you expense that dollar? 00:59:38 Speaker 10: No, you ate it. 00:59:39 Speaker 11: I'm planning on monetizing this and making much money off it, enough to buy TSS. 00:59:44 Speaker 10: Maybe here's the deal. 00:59:46 Speaker 11: A couple disclaimers, well, this is the common man's guide to TSS. I think we're making a lot of hay out of TSS when most people don't even they're not. 00:59:56 Speaker 1: It's not even in my social sir. Let me tell you something. 00:59:59 Speaker 10: So I'm saying you're not the common Everyone. 01:00:02 Speaker 1: In my social circle shoots TSS. 01:00:05 Speaker 11: Right, So this is my second distiller. 01:00:10 Speaker 5: Let me let me I have never hunted a turkey in my life, and I'm not a data scientist. I'm very much common man. 01:00:22 Speaker 11: This is ripe for corrections, So get to sharpen your pencils, smitpickers. But I think it makes me uniquely qualified to take an objective view of TSS or the lack that so. 01:00:35 Speaker 1: Phil has TSS for the common man pulled up. 01:00:38 Speaker 11: Yeah, you go to the TSS test dot com and this was a lot of a lot of t's. 01:00:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:00:45 Speaker 10: I'm a big a literative guy. 01:00:50 Speaker 11: And to answered the question, can I justify buying TSS for fifteen seventeen twenty bucks a shell? Everyone's got different situations, variables, ethics, setups. And so I pulled a number of season turkey hunters from across the US and basically asked, what's the average range at which a turkey presents the shot to you? 01:01:14 Speaker 10: Because that's what really matters. 01:01:15 Speaker 1: And I thought about this answer long and hard, long, and yann I put it to Yanni long and hard see. 01:01:19 Speaker 11: But I also thought about that because I think you're hunting primo spots. 01:01:23 Speaker 1: Dude, it's nothing. So no, I'm just saying I want people to understand again, you're not a data guy. No, you're a data guy. You're not a turkey guy. 01:01:31 Speaker 10: I'm neither. 01:01:32 Speaker 1: This is a working draft of a website V one. 01:01:35 Speaker 7: And you also probably can't argue with experienced Turkey hunters over what they're seeing since you're not agreed. 01:01:41 Speaker 1: Turkey hunt a lot of places, right, I don't. I don't want to remind you, but I'm a two time super what's the Slam? When you get the World? 01:01:52 Speaker 5: No? 01:01:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, grant two time? No way more than Grand World? 01:01:58 Speaker 2: World includes the Mexican. 01:02:00 Speaker 1: What's the one that doesn't include the oscillated Super two times Super Slam holders? 01:02:05 Speaker 10: They don't even know what those are. 01:02:05 Speaker 1: That's a little. So what I'm saying is when I give you turkey data, turkey dope, it's from all over buddy, yep. 01:02:14 Speaker 5: But all those data points are from Steve's shoes. 01:02:18 Speaker 1: Okay, go on. 01:02:19 Speaker 11: So in light of that, I factor in a bunch of variables and you can go on here and put in your situation, whether it's the caginess of your turkeys, the species you're hunting. 01:02:31 Speaker 3: Hold on before I get corrected. Grand Slam is Eastern Rio mariam Osceola Royal Slam. 01:02:40 Speaker 1: That shouldn'tven be a thing. 01:02:42 Speaker 3: It's all for level. Yeah. The Royal Slam is the Grand Slam plus plus the Goulds, and then the World Slam is the Royal Slam plus the oscillated. 01:02:53 Speaker 1: So two time royal holder. Yeah. 01:02:56 Speaker 3: The US Super Slam is all forty nine states. Sorry, all forty nine states that has turkeys. 01:03:01 Speaker 1: You know what bottlenext me on that is? I only got to uh, I only got two goulds, two more than a lot of people. Yeah, I mean that's what Bottleneck and me on not being a three time You. 01:03:13 Speaker 2: Want to start on that forty nine thing? 01:03:16 Speaker 1: No, no, not interested. I want to get back to Nate's Thanks. 01:03:19 Speaker 3: Sorry, All right, Oh that. 01:03:21 Speaker 1: Was great because you would have got corrected. 01:03:22 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, so dude, I think you just pull that sucker up and go through it. 01:03:25 Speaker 1: Okay, So you go to TSS for the common Man. Nate Mason's thing. It's a working draft. He's trying to help you find out if it's right for you. You click find my show. 01:03:34 Speaker 3: Who's Who's going to be our hunter? 01:03:37 Speaker 2: Max? 01:03:37 Speaker 1: Max? Okay, okay Max? Does your hunting spot actually allow for a forty five yard shot? Great question? No, oh you can't see that far. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: I'm in the trees. I'm in the timber. 01:03:51 Speaker 1: Okay. Boom oh you mean is that funny? Skip? It's already done. Skip the tss Yeah, get back up. 01:04:01 Speaker 7: You can sell that stash you got like pretty Okay. 01:04:06 Speaker 1: Let's let's start over. Max. Let's let's change your story. Let's say you're hunting Aria. It's like not to heavily timbered. 01:04:12 Speaker 3: For the record, I'm just putting myself in spots that I'm not shooting past forty five yeah. 01:04:16 Speaker 1: Like like woods hunting, like or like. 01:04:20 Speaker 10: You don't shoot it. 01:04:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like even like out here in Montana, I'm not setting up one hundred yards from a rise, like I'm setting up close to that rise that turkey is coming. 01:04:30 Speaker 4: Up boom in your face. 01:04:34 Speaker 1: Yes, but I know, just for the sake of the poor guy's website says hell yeah, he says hell yeah he is. Okay, does your Turkey trip cost one thousand more? I would hope not let's say it does not. 01:04:51 Speaker 9: Phil Oh, wow, it's getting intense now. 01:04:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, now your situation species Max beer Iams, Yeah, okay, Miriams using a decoy? No, no, you don't use a decoy. 01:05:06 Speaker 3: Depends on the situation. 01:05:07 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of depends, right, this trip is not okay? Now, how would you rate the cageness of the turkeys where you hunt? Max? 01:05:15 Speaker 3: I would give him, Oh, it's negative five to five. 01:05:19 Speaker 1: It's butter balls meaning domestics or old public land rope draggers. 01:05:25 Speaker 4: Don't do the thing where people say Miriams are stupid. 01:05:28 Speaker 10: That's factored into the species. 01:05:31 Speaker 1: Give it to to, So can you change that to old public land rope draggers. 01:05:38 Speaker 10: I'll take those notes. 01:05:39 Speaker 1: Next to Okay, calling skill, I would say, don't call, and then you're pressed and Pittman, don't sell yourself short one you better average? I would give no, because he's like really good, okay, average killable gobblers per day? If you hunted a day and had one come through in range, you know, how many would you expect? Like, let me give you for instance, when we go to hunt youth turkey, Okay, if we're hunting hard, I would say not that we're gonna get it. Not that the kids are gonna shoot, but like I would expect in a day, we're gonna have a burden range. 01:06:26 Speaker 3: You would lay eyes on a bird. 01:06:28 Speaker 1: Like I'd be like, like if I was shooting, like I would you know or whatever are you looking at? 01:06:33 Speaker 4: Like? 01:06:34 Speaker 1: You should have had it? You should have had it. 01:06:35 Speaker 5: You messed up defined by as within seventy yards. 01:06:38 Speaker 1: He had a hen behind him, so you couldn't shoot. He like his head came through a clearing and you weren't ready. Your kid didn't see it in time. Whatever killable turkeys. 01:06:48 Speaker 7: See and just say because forgot one. 01:06:53 Speaker 1: If he hunts hard, he should have he should have a turkey in range. 01:06:56 Speaker 3: Yes, I go. I would say that, Yes, I was thinking about more. 01:06:59 Speaker 1: But this how many days you got to hunt? 01:07:02 Speaker 3: Three days on the weekend warrior? 01:07:04 Speaker 1: Okay, he's gonna do a three day hunt. Now your generic old school shell, no TSS, your generic shell? What what's what's max range for you? 01:07:12 Speaker 3: I'm not shooting past forty okay? 01:07:14 Speaker 1: Forty okay? This one here's where I get confused. 01:07:19 Speaker 11: This is like a mid range, like a medium middle like that you can like you can't shell premium, premium copper plated. 01:07:28 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so now you got Now you got some uh, you got some long bird, you got some long beard. What is that up there? 01:07:35 Speaker 10: Long beard? XR x R. 01:07:37 Speaker 1: Are you still pushing past forty? 01:07:41 Speaker 3: See? I feel like this all depends what gauge are you shooting. 01:07:43 Speaker 5: We'll do this for you for my setup. 01:07:47 Speaker 3: Twelve ags. You could push it out to forty. 01:07:51 Speaker 1: What was your other so you don't just push it out to fifty? Okay, he's out to fifty. Now what's the biggest poke you're gonna take with TSS? Biggest poke like when you got to get a rest that kind of shot. 01:08:04 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'll answer for him. No, me personally, I'm not shooting past forty. I don't care what kind of shell I'm shooting. 01:08:11 Speaker 1: Oh so then okay, then take his fifty back to forty and put TSS at forty. 01:08:17 Speaker 9: I think we know what the answer is going to be. 01:08:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, guy, it's like the worst guy. 01:08:21 Speaker 5: We already answered it off the writ I. 01:08:23 Speaker 1: Know, he's the worst guy in the world to like try to get. 01:08:26 Speaker 3: Trying to tell you that this is why, RIGHTA. 01:08:28 Speaker 1: I know, but you know what, you're not doing You're not like you're you're like you're not. No, I know you're trying to stay true to who you are. 01:08:35 Speaker 5: Just go forty fifty six, you're not just bullshit, Survey. 01:08:39 Speaker 1: But still, let's he had man, Okay, let me, let me, let me override him. Just just is like forty with my whispered in his ear. He's like forty with my old man's contemplating forces range long beard x R. I'll stretch it to forty fifty t I'm going to reach out to sixty. 01:09:02 Speaker 3: Survey says, Oh wow, scraps, this is awesome, Nate. 01:09:07 Speaker 9: Oh the long beard xs are is the best bang for your buck. 01:09:11 Speaker 1: That's equivalent. You don't need tss. 01:09:15 Speaker 10: Right there you go. 01:09:16 Speaker 7: I'll take it all, give it to me because I ain't stopping to shooting that stuff until run out of it. 01:09:21 Speaker 1: Okay, the last bit, well, I told you to check your numbers on. 01:09:24 Speaker 5: Shelves YEP, cost per additional point. So what you're looking at is you're getting a bell curve of where. 01:09:31 Speaker 10: You're going to get a SHOTEP. 01:09:32 Speaker 11: It might walk up to ten, it might hang up at sixty, but on average they're going to be about forty yards and. 01:09:38 Speaker 5: So you can get that done with the medium, middle of. 01:09:41 Speaker 10: The road copper. 01:09:42 Speaker 1: Okay, And what costs are you dealing with here? Because you took it like a little. 01:09:45 Speaker 11: Yeah, So you scroll down, you look at the assumptions, and we can make these variable. But generics are going to cost you about a buck fifty, your middle of the road two fifty. Your TSS is going to cost you seventeen dollars a ship today today. 01:09:57 Speaker 1: I thought it'd be higher that by now. Probably kinda takes the fun out of shooting, don't it. Yeah, and you're seventeen bucks exactly. I just don't. 01:10:07 Speaker 2: Twenty bucks to me, man. 01:10:08 Speaker 1: I know, but sometimes just strip it a couple of shots at the paper I do Yanni Chimani, he says, he when he's when he's uh patterning out, he's patterning out on old schoolers, and then he double checks outs or bird shot. 01:10:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just use cheap yea target loads. 01:10:26 Speaker 11: Yeah, hit the u R elegant the TSS test dot com. 01:10:32 Speaker 1: And what is your pathway toward monetizing this test? 01:10:35 Speaker 10: I haven't figured that out yet. 01:10:36 Speaker 1: How many site visits have you had? 01:10:37 Speaker 10: I don't know how to read that data. I bought that sucker and shipped it. 01:10:44 Speaker 1: I'm afraid that you'll have three site visits and they all came from the same at the same address. 01:10:51 Speaker 3: I like the bottom. There's like bottom, it's almost like in quotes, but it's like immediate laboratories resource. 01:10:57 Speaker 1: No, he really brandized. He put more into branding than he put into thinking. You know, you know, you like get. 01:11:05 Speaker 2: And offer from big lead to buy this. 01:11:08 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, So we covered Turkey season updates. 01:11:20 Speaker 1: We covered the TSS purchase guide again. Please listeners go to the tsstest dot com and find out if TSS is right for you. Over to Spencer, I'm. 01:11:37 Speaker 4: Gonna talk about Death Valley National Park. Death Valley it's the biggest national park in the lower forty eight. It's located about two hours west of Las Vegas in east central California. Part of the park spills over into Nevada, but not much of it. When you think of like Death Valley, you're thinking of the California portion. It's the lowest, driest, and hottest place on the continent in all of North America. One part of the park sits at two hundred and eighty two feet below sea level. It averages less than two inches of precipitation every year, and actually in nineteen twenty nine, in nineteen fifty three, there was no precipitation at all recorded. It currently holds the world record for the hottest temperature ever recorded, when it reached one hundred and thirty four degrees fahrenheit on July tenth, nineteen thirteen. So now you know all about what Death Valley looks like and feels like. 01:12:30 Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one thing you didn't mention that I always liked. Water doesn't leave there just a basin. Yeah, because it's a blow sea. It's a dead end. Yeah. 01:12:39 Speaker 4: I think it's like the remnants of an old lake that used to be seven thousand feet deep. Now what's left there is in his Death Valley. Now, despite this intense heat and lack of rain, stuff still rows there. They have mesquite trees, prickly pear, cactus, bitter root, whole bunch of succulents and cacti. Then there's a number of wildflowers. Most of these wild flowers only show up during a super bloom. The Death Valley super bloom only happens about every ten years. The last time it happened was in twenty sixteen. Prior to that, there was one in two thousand and five and nineteen ninety eight. They require perfect conditions. Most notably, you need a wet fall in winter and its precipitation washes the salt off of the wild flower seeds and wakes them up after they lay dormant for a decade. 01:13:29 Speaker 1: No, kid, the seeds are salted, and. 01:13:32 Speaker 4: That precipitation will It could take your salt away, and it signals, you know, to the seeds, okay, time to go. 01:13:37 Speaker 3: You can almost see like the path that the water takes. 01:13:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're looking at pictures right now. You can see them on you. 01:13:43 Speaker 2: How long from moisture to this? 01:13:47 Speaker 4: Well, these these pictures. The super bloom can vary. We'll get to it in a second. But like when I was there in twenty twenty three, I was there in mid March. Flowers did not start blooming until late March that year they had they had an above average bloom. It was not a super blue. 01:14:02 Speaker 1: Were you trying to hit the bloom? 01:14:04 Speaker 4: I knew it would be a good time to be. It wasn't like the point of the whole trip, yep. But it was like a factor in being there in mid March. Yeah, the perfect conditions. Mostly it's just a wet, falling winter. They're about twenty of these wild flowers that participate in the super bloom. They have a short growing window when they do show up. Now, it's similar to predator swamping. Explain what that is, Steve, preder swamping. 01:14:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a reproductive strategy that humans interpret as Let's say have a large nesting colony of birds. If they all lay their eggs at the same time, the local predator population doesn't have a chance of getting them all. They'll kind of work the edges of the colony, but they'll never get them all. Whereas if those birds spread their nesting out over a month, you would just have a month of sporadic predation. So predator swamping like when when l all tend to hit the ground, Elk fawns all hit the ground on the same day. 01:15:04 Speaker 4: Calves are going to get corrected. 01:15:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, elk calves they all hit the ground the same day, some are going to live. If they all hit the ground over the course of six weeks, it could be they all get killed. 01:15:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, predator swamp, you're overwhelming predator That would be like a mammal version of that. I think other you know, animals will participate as well. The super bloom does a similar thing and overwhelms the landscape because by blooming simultaneously, they'll guaranteed to attract a lot of pollinators butterflies, moths, bees, hummingbirds that otherwise aren't going to show up in Death Valley and visit this desert. Now here's why I'm talking about this today. Twenty twenty six is a super bloom year. And this was predicted going back to September because they got a big rainfall. Then it was followed by two and a half more inches of rain between November and January. That's that's exactly what you want for a super bloom. I found a blog post from a Death Valley guide on November fourteen, twenty twenty five, where he said, quote, I don't recall a setup quite this favorable in the last fifteen years, And that guide was right. The super bloom started in mid February. It's expected to last into May. 01:16:07 Speaker 7: It likely your guy's gonna ask you, So it lasts a while, It lasts not like a week, and they're all gone. 01:16:13 Speaker 4: Once the flowers are up. The biggest thing is heat and wind. Those are the enemies of like a lasting super bloom. Now, this one probably peaked a couple weeks ago because they had some really intense wind and heat. I knocked down a lot of those wild flowers. But there's still plenty to see. And it also varies by elevation, so obviously the lowest elevation place has come into super bloom first, followed by the mid and higher elevations, and the higher elevation or where the super bloom will last into early summer. Now, if you live in the area, you can go check it out. I visited Death Valley in twenty twenty three. Like I said, it's one of my favorite parks. It's one of the only parks that has year round dispersed camping. It's got the best stargazing I've ever experienced. It's super remote, so make sure you fill up on gas first and you have a good spare tire uh and take a trip to the racetrack playa. You'll see the sailing stones that move on their own, and then of course this year you'll get the rare super. 01:17:07 Speaker 10: Bloom that's happening. 01:17:08 Speaker 1: Excellent job, Oh thank you. They need to build no website for that, did you? 01:17:12 Speaker 10: Nope? 01:17:14 Speaker 1: No, excellent job. 01:17:17 Speaker 4: It's beautiful, hottest, driest, lowest place on Earth, and almost pretty flowers. Not on Earth, I'm sorry, good good in North America. 01:17:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, inside of Santiago, somewhere around there. The driest place on earth, like the elk chili, sorry and chili, driest place on Earth. 01:17:34 Speaker 4: Can't even like that, must be less than an inch of precipitation. 01:17:38 Speaker 1: Wow, no, ring disgusting, all right, Max, Over to you North Dakota poachers. 01:17:43 Speaker 3: All right, So you know how the eighteen eighties had Jesse James and Frank James. 01:17:49 Speaker 1: Oh. 01:17:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, twenty twenty six has Tatum and Tyler Dfoe. 01:17:54 Speaker 1: Oh, going to. 01:17:56 Speaker 3: My home state, North Dakota, dude, Watford City, North Coda, which is in the northwest part of the state. I would say the remains of over thirty deer, three bowl bull, elk, and even a moose with antlers were found by law enforcement at the residence of a Watford City man who is now under arrest and currently being held at the Southwest Multi County Correction Center in Dickinson, North Dkota. 01:18:19 Speaker 1: Where the hell's getting the moose? 01:18:21 Speaker 3: I do not know there's moose, the moose, and I took it home. 01:18:25 Speaker 1: With them, or at least the head. 01:18:29 Speaker 3: This Yeah, this article didn't really say how they got it. It was just like, if it's there, he's got it on his place. 01:18:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:18:37 Speaker 3: So, back in December of twenty twenty four, the residents of Taden and Tyler Dufo was being searched by law enforcement on a different warrant. Law enforcement happened to see some untagged heads there and they notified a local game warn. 01:18:53 Speaker 7: It seems like a lot of poachers get nailed via unrelated charges. 01:18:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a new search by the North Dkota Game and Fish that lasted about six hours, and then the warden removed the fallen from the residents. Thirty four sets of antlers and heads of white tail and meal deer, two elk heads with antlers so a bowl elk, one moose with antlers so bull moose, and multiple bags meat in a bobcat rug. North Kota Game Warns reach out to surrounding states to see like, hey, do you guys have any licenses take guests Montana? No, no licenses found. 01:19:36 Speaker 4: Oh, but didn't they have charges in all? 01:19:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, meaning they he can't explain it away by like, oh, I've been hunting all over hell. 01:19:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought. 01:19:46 Speaker 4: They were connected to some stuff in Montana, but maybe not. 01:19:49 Speaker 2: No. 01:19:50 Speaker 3: In the article I read, the warden reached out to both Montana and South Coota to verify zero big am licenses were found. 01:19:57 Speaker 5: What's stopping them from just saying they're a bunch of dead head. 01:20:00 Speaker 3: It's great question. 01:20:02 Speaker 11: Because I I my buddy brought up this question because he was running around with a new hunter who doesn't know anything about anything, and he was like, I don't want to take this dead head because I don't have a salvage tag for it, and so I thought. I called Montana f WP and they're like, yeah, you don't need a. 01:20:17 Speaker 3: Salvage tag though. Yeah, but maybe it depends on what state it's in. 01:20:21 Speaker 1: You. 01:20:22 Speaker 4: It's like if for some reason. 01:20:26 Speaker 7: A police officer or game warden is on your property and they see a dead head or two dead heads versus finding thirty. 01:20:35 Speaker 10: Yeah, but I found five this year. 01:20:37 Speaker 3: I got all sorts of dead heads all over the place. So I think this article when it says elk heads, I think it's like a mounted tax. You know, it's it's not a European mounted dead head. So yeah, going back to this, the maximum penalty for a single class A mister meta under North Dcota law is three hundred and sixty days in prison, a three thousand dollars fine, or both the youngest. The youngest of the two, Tayden, was initially charged with fifteen separate Class A mister meter chargers. 01:21:14 Speaker 1: Wow. 01:21:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's currently being held in Dickinson, North Dkota. I didn't really find much about his older brother, Tyler Dfoe. The article just said he was had nearly identical charges stemming from the same incident got but that was it. I don't know if he's in jail or what's happening. 01:21:36 Speaker 7: So did they, like, did they tie any of those heads to like known poaching cases they were trying to solve. 01:21:43 Speaker 1: Or that I did. 01:21:44 Speaker 3: This article is very bleak. Yeah, so, and I think it's important to note both the foes are considered into considered innocent until proven guilty. So we'll find out. I'll circle back on this in a couple of weeks and see what happens. 01:22:00 Speaker 1: I know that's a lot of charges, man, Yeah, I. 01:22:02 Speaker 3: Know they had a couple of court dates here coming up. 01:22:05 Speaker 4: So Western North d Coota doesn't produce a lot of bull, elk and moose, so. 01:22:09 Speaker 1: That like, you know, wonderbout. 01:22:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, there's like bad life like in the bad lands in western North Cota, there's lots of elk, But yeah, having two of those, I think it's like a once in lifetime tag. 01:22:22 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't know, but I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that those weren't local. 01:22:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, like hopping. 01:22:29 Speaker 1: That's why. That's why they're talking about calling other states. 01:22:33 Speaker 3: And well, once you cross the state line, doesn't it turn into a whole. 01:22:36 Speaker 1: Other lay violation. Yeah, then it's a federal crime. But yeah, I think that's kind of what peaked my curiosity about it, is that, you know, not that to say that they don't, but those are animals not mostly associated there, and the fact that they're calling other states leads you to believe that that's what they're curious about. 01:22:54 Speaker 3: For sure. We'll find out. 01:22:58 Speaker 1: Okay, Lastly, I just got so, I just recently got a moose harvest report. Okay, looking at moose harvest statistics. Yeah, but within this report that I got. I got this other really interesting thing about moose moose in general on our continent, so Canada, United States of America, the moose population in a way that they used to understand moose in a way that they that the evolving understanding of how moose came to be. Now, I'll just do a little trivia. What do you what do you got? What moose do we have here? 01:23:39 Speaker 7: Shyris and up in northern we have first get whatever they call them. 01:23:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have in moose taxonomy they recognize you have the Yukon moose, which is the biggest, then the Canadian moose, then you have the Shyris moose, and then I think there's another one they call out east, like the Eastern and maybe is there a Labrador too. 01:24:04 Speaker 2: Newfoundland or labor something like that. 01:24:07 Speaker 1: So these they have these different moose, these different moose branches in moose taxonomy. They used to do this a lot. For instance, there used to be I don't know, they used to recognize a dozen. 01:24:20 Speaker 2: Cariboo, seven different kinds of elk or something like that. 01:24:23 Speaker 1: Seven kinds of elk, dozen cariboo, And they used to think that these things were genetically different. Think about this, the Mexican gray wolf and then the wolf, the regular gray wolf. Okay, so we have these different genetic distinctions, and what you're doing is you when they look at the genome of the species, you usually are when it's valid. Okay, Like take let's start with this example. What I'm trying to say, take black tail deer and mule deer. Black tail deer and mule deer are regarded as as legitimately different. They're like, that is a legitimate subspeci And what makes it that way is they can see evidence that there was a a serious distinct genetic barrier, meaning there was a time when black tail deer were not able to inter breed. They were physically separated from meal deer at a time. Now they're not. Now they bleed into each other. Like I've pointed this out before, there's places like in California, if a deer is standing on the west side of I five, it's a black tail deer. If it's standing on the east side of I five, it's a meal deer. But when you look at them genetically, you can tell that these two things were different and they were separated. What was separating them and all these cases in North America, it was what was separating them was like old glaciation, so you had glacial barriers that cut animal populations in chunks and so areas where we have these like legitimate subspecies, it was because they were separated. When you look at cariboo, I don't know what a dozen cariboo running around. They now think that there are two legitimate cariboo subspecies, barren ground and woodland. Barren ground were north of the glaciers. Woodland survived south of the glaciers. The glaciers go away, everything melts. They can intermingle, but they're still like those are legitimate subspecies. For a long time, people thought that the Shyris moose was a subspecies, and there was this idea that it had found refuge south of the Great Ice Sheets and evolved on its own, and these other moose evolved to the north. And I was even unaware that this thinking was changing. But they're doing more and more genetic work, and it's like all these different moose Yukon, Canada. Shyris what you when you look at them and you see the differences, all you're seeing is is habitat, like distinct habitat and nutrition. 01:27:14 Speaker 7: And what's the uh shit, what is it? The thing north to south or south. 01:27:20 Speaker 1: Of principle body size. So like in Bergsman's principle, We've talked this one hundred times. Like Bergsman's principle, if you look at a mammals range, the largest specimens are on the north end of the range, the smallest specimens around the south end of the range. Which fits. So I look at all this stuff like antler configuration of a shiris moose. The Shirif's moose doesn't have different antler configuration, it's just smaller. And they they wound up doing this thing. I'm looking at this map and its servid fossils in North America over fifteen thousand years. And it's crazy because like over fifteen thousand years you have I'm looking at this map where it's showing caribou fossils coming out of Nebraska. 01:28:03 Speaker 2: Oh. 01:28:04 Speaker 7: I was doing some research for the book where they found caribou Tennessee, Alabama, like way down. 01:28:10 Speaker 1: Well, this is over fifteen thousand years. So I got caribou fossils over in South Carolina, North Carolina, caribou fossils in Nebraska deer fossils southern Florida, just everywhere. Okay, elk fossils down in New Mexico. There is no older than fifteen thousand year moose fossil. The southernmost the southernmost over fifteen thousand year old moose fossil found to date sits at the Alaska Yukon border. 01:28:44 Speaker 2: So north of the glaciers. 01:28:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, the other stuff was down right in this matter. There's this huge band across central Canada, but there's no fossil it, no fossils from over the time because nothing was there. So you had stuff that was north of it, and stuff was south of it. What you had north of it, you had elk, you had moose, you had cariboo. South of it you had deer, you had caribou, you had elk. And so they're saying that like all moose, all moose at the end of the ice Age came out of Bringia spread south and there's never been a point when and you did not have genetic barriers. They've always just been like you would start in one place and you'd travel and there'd be moose and you'd slowly realize they look different. 01:29:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, over time, they just adapted to that habitat. 01:29:43 Speaker 1: Nutrition habitat, and they also this this paper also talks a lot about density that like density is impacting size. Yeah, high density, small size. 01:29:57 Speaker 4: What's wild is they were moving uh down here at the same time humans were. 01:30:02 Speaker 1: That's the crazy timeline. Yeah, that's that's kind of like it would be that if you always imagine going back, like you want to go back to the Plyceiscene, to the Clovis age, you could be like the first humans that came down out of Bringia and hit the American Great Plains. They might have done that faster than they might have been in a moose free environment, and then one day it'd be like, well, there's moose showing. 01:30:26 Speaker 2: It's that thing. 01:30:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the moose came at the same time as humans. Yep. I think it's fascinating. The math was cool. Yeah. Yeah. There were no deer the most this is what's crazy too. The most northern deer fossils over fifteen thousand years have come out of like the Prince of Wales Island area. So blacktails yep, on the coast, on the coast probably ice free, yep. You had some blacktails on the coast and then It's like you didn't have northern deer and you didn't have southern moose. 01:30:59 Speaker 2: That's super cool. 01:31:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just kind of a changing perspective of why why is a shiris Because when they look at a Shiris moose, they're like, his antlers are smaller, his coat is different colored. There's these other head measurements that are different and you're like, oh, they must have been different, right, But it's like it's just how the species was reflected, how the landscape changed the species, how the species adapted to the landscape. 01:31:27 Speaker 7: Right, It'd be interesting to see what other species will they'll look at and try and follow that same YEP trend, you know. 01:31:36 Speaker 13: Ye. 01:31:37 Speaker 4: For size reference, the Boon and Crockett minimum score for a Shiris moose is one. For a Canada moose is one eighty five. There're forty five inch difference, and then for a Yukon moose it's two ten. So this is like a Canada and Yukon are closer and side for like Boone Crockett than shyris in Canada. 01:31:57 Speaker 7: Boone and Crockett score is kind of weird doing vision with like spread wise, I would say like shyrius good bulls like forty inches wide. 01:32:05 Speaker 4: If you look at the all time record, the world record for a Canada is two hundred and forty two, for a Shyris is two oh five. 01:32:14 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make people dig this up themselves. I don't want to tell them, but there is a unit in Montana where the average, the five year average is a forty nine inch with Can you look at most of the units the five year average is down in the upper thirties. There's a decent hot unit. Yeah. And you know what's funny. People know this because it's a low draw odd unit. 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