00:00:01 Speaker 1: Oh boy, and welcome to the news Show. This week, we're covering skyrocketing costs on souped up tungsten turkey, Ammo. We're covering turkey hunters in Wisconsin crashed the Internet, or at least a tiny part of it. We're covering a famous golfer chooses fake elk meat for the Masters and Spencer thinks that's cool. We're covering black bear news from Oklahoma, Arizona, and Washington. We're gonna talk about is bottom trawling destroying Alaska's fisheries. We're gonna maybe get to how Montana politics is getting juicy. As a smoke jumper and a gun control influencer, wage primary bids for a US congressional seat, and Mark. 00:00:50 Speaker 2: Jam Pack there can't be more. 00:00:51 Speaker 3: It's so much. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: We let cut some of them at for starters. We're getting fired up for Spring turk. You're gonna want to hear this right now. We're running the Ultimate Spring Turkey Giveaway. Okay. 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For every twenty five bucks you spend, you get ten additional entries. One winner will be selected to win the whole kit and kaboodle the whole entire prize pack, but don't wait around. The giveaway ends Monday, April thirteen. You're of our Lord twenty twenty six, eleven fifty nine pm Mountain Time. They even included Daylight Daylight saved, So if you midnight get him in by midnight April thirteenth. 00:02:38 Speaker 4: Ten entries for an additional twenty five's. 00:02:41 Speaker 1: Is that good? 00:02:42 Speaker 4: That's pretty good? 00:02:42 Speaker 1: Feel good to me? 00:02:43 Speaker 4: I wonder how the odds compare to that? Oh, did you check your Alaska Goat tag? Did you win? 00:02:53 Speaker 1: Nope? No, I don't know about that. I didn't draw in a normal draw, but I don't know about the raffle draw yet. I didn't draw the normal draw. Are we giving away boots right now? 00:03:03 Speaker 4: Yes, we still are. 00:03:05 Speaker 1: We're giving a terrible oversight on my part. Joined today by Tony Peterson, Big Buck Killer, Randall Williams, Big Ape Guy, bar new comes here, you bet, Spencer Newheart, and of course Brody Henderson. 00:03:25 Speaker 5: Uh. 00:03:25 Speaker 1: We're gonna start off with your news and jumping on corrections, Phil corrections, corrections. Okay, first one comes, and here's the thing. The first one comes from half a finger and halfle finger doesn't know this yet, Jim Hefflefinger doesn't know this yet, but we have disqualified him from winning the boots. 00:03:43 Speaker 6: Is this the same guy as last week? 00:03:46 Speaker 1: No, it's just he's a friend of the show. Yeah, Yonnie once brought up He's like said the half a Finger says, has Steve ever uh talked about hiring you? And he said, why buy the cow m you get the millet for free. Hafflefinger wrote in with a craction, but we're eliminating him from the running because he's a known person who's been on the show, so wouldn't be fair if he won the Tacova's boots. But here's Heffelfinger's craction. We were on a previous episode, Neanderthal Love. We were talking about whether or not if you want to sound Johnny big Time, you go neander tal. If you want to sound like some dollard, you say Neanderthal. I was saying that something to that effect. Hefflefinger wrote in the thu th and Neanderthal was part of the original spelling and used in the scientific name in the eighteen hundreds Homo neander thalensis science value stability over Willie Nilly updates. Later, the German language was modernized and reformed and they dropped the eight but it was already in such popular usage in English that it remains more correct to use the in English, and in scientific writings, it is more correct to drop the h in German language, and when talking about the location of the first Neanderthal fossils found in a valley named after something or another Neander Tall, so that means the tall means valley in German, so the neander valley. 00:05:37 Speaker 7: I'm confused by this a little bit, so Mike, because I don't know whether he's saying he's talking about spelling or pronunciation. 00:05:43 Speaker 2: Here. 00:05:44 Speaker 1: He's saying that that the crowds. I get that part changed it for themselves, but it was already in such usage here that Americans didn't need to change it. 00:05:55 Speaker 8: I think it was always an American mispronunciation because in German ta h a l is tall. 00:06:02 Speaker 1: So you're throwing the correction back at. 00:06:04 Speaker 8: I'm just throwing another wrinkle into the story here. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: I've thought about it long and hard. I'm going back to Neanderthal, which is where I came from. 00:06:12 Speaker 2: Tall sounds pretentious. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: That's why I did it. I did it. 00:06:17 Speaker 8: You wouldn't say you're an enthusiast of Neanderthals, you know, I. 00:06:23 Speaker 1: Like that, Yeah, neander tall enthusiast. I'd be like, he has a speech, yeah, like the eup. Okay, here's another one. I think this one's Is this eligible or ineligible? No, this is eligible. 00:06:41 Speaker 4: Of them are eligible. 00:06:42 Speaker 1: Okay. So now we're in the contest. Bear. If you're not familiar, you get We're gonna read corrections. You vote on what's the best correction, okay, and the winner of the best correction gets a pair of He picks out whatever he wants. She we haven't had a woman whin. Yeah, hould the boots up. This is just an example of what you could select. Brand Spicketty new to COVID's boot spencer. Put your nose to that boot and take deep with no, no, not that far. Tell me what you smell, and you smell at quality leather. Yeah, smells like leather through and through. Here's the correction for Giannis. During episode eight forty seven, neander fal Love Well that okay. The episode was titled Neanderthal Love Mildier Eradication to manke Eyelashes. Anyways, Yanni was doing a report about the Catalina Island mule deer debate and how they may be moving forward with a plan to eradicate or attempt to eradicate mule deer off of Catalina Island, where they are not native but where they're in looking sight of where they are. Native Brody asked Jannis, this is the correct writing him. Brody asked, janis what the Catalina Island Conservancy plans to do with the deer after they kill them? Yannis replied, there's no plan for it. Well, here's the correction. The Catalina Island Conservancy has on their website that they will quote provide the meat to the California Condor Recovery Program where they will lay the carcasses in remote hills to allow them to decompose naturally and get eaten by condors. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: That sounds a lot like doing nothing. 00:08:35 Speaker 1: That's like if you got busted. Let's say you got busted by fishing game for like wanton waste, Like you killed a deer and you left it and they're like, hey, you know you're in trouble. You can't do that. 00:08:45 Speaker 9: You'd be like, oh no, you don't understand. You don't understand. I'm feeding magpies. This is magpie conservation. 00:08:55 Speaker 7: When I placed him in a strategic spot where magpies will find them. 00:09:00 Speaker 1: So that's what they say, And it is like such a little it's like it's like it's cynical. You know like, oh no, no, no, we're not wasting them. California condors will consume them. Sure, they're gonna have a mighty square meal, when for a brief period of time they're not they're not planning on like laying it out over time. For a brief period of time, they will have hundreds of meal deer carcasses to choose from. Okay, a lot of corrections about the open field doctrine. That was a great correction, by the way, A lot of corrections about the open field doctrine. Some of them came in like very adversarial to me about how dumb I am and everything. Okay, we heard from many folks across the country. This was a this was a hot This generated a lot. We had lawyers right in, we had law enforcement guys right in. We had a fellow Montana and over at the Sheriff's department and still Water County rode in. So to all you folks, thanks for writing in about the open field doctrine. We selected one beca It kind of laid things out the most cleanly, the cleanest. So apologies to those of you who wrote in, but you're not in the running for the brand speaking to new Boots. The correction goes like this, good morning, hoy, do you I just listened to episode eight forty eight. Now here's where he lays out his credentials, which is a tip to people doing corrections. Get the credentials. I am a retired FBI agent and currently teach constitutional criminal procedure at the FBI Academy. So there he's like laying. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: It out, dude, don't mess with me. 00:10:44 Speaker 1: Who's gonna argue with him? Then he goes on to say, I have to take exception with whoever explained the open fields doctrine to Steve. I like this approach. 00:10:54 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's. 00:10:57 Speaker 4: It's not a compliment, Sandwich, it's like something. 00:11:00 Speaker 1: Else you were mislaid. 00:11:03 Speaker 8: It might you might teach interrogation techniques as well. 00:11:05 Speaker 1: This is a this is a great like Yeah, it's like, yeah, I don't Hey, I'm not attacking you, bro, I'm attacking whoever told you the dumb thing. 00:11:14 Speaker 7: You think it's also out you could That's just what someone told. 00:11:21 Speaker 1: It was explained to me by an idiot. Yeah, and here I am an innocent victim of like this idiot idiocy. So he's taking exception as he should. Who told me about it, which sort of assumes that they told me wrong, maybe that I didn't twist it up my head. But he says, this, Okay, here, here's it. Here it is. I'm laying it out for you. In the nineteen eighty seven Supreme Court decision United States versus Done, the Court defined open fields as different from the curtilage. I've never heard that word as different from the curtilage of one's home. Yeah, I got a back up. He didn't do a great job explaining this. What we were talking about. 00:12:06 Speaker 2: Was this area of land around a house. 00:12:08 Speaker 1: What we're talking about is we're speaking about this thing where if a game ward, let's say you're on your private property and a game ward has reason to believe there's poaching taking place on that property, Like he's hearing a bunch of gunshots and a duck marsh private property. It's thirty minutes before shooting the light and you just hearing. He can go in there without a search warrant and find out what's going on. It's like the open fields doctrine. I was saying that it was a tool of game wardens. All the correctors are like, this is not this is not particular to game ward It might be utilized by game wardens. 00:12:45 Speaker 7: But it's not particularly powers that law enforcement other lawn. 00:12:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was at they had powers that our people didn't have. And it goes back to this whole thing where they were like working moonshiners. They were working moonshiners and see some moonshine from a moonshiner, and that's what led to this thing that the moonshiner was out in the open fields and not in his home when he got searched. Something to that effect. Right into correction about that, this guy says. In the nineteen eighty seven Supreme Court decision United States versus Done, the court defined open fields as different from the curtilage brody. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: On an area around one's house. 00:13:24 Speaker 1: Of one's home, which involves the activities associated with the living space. Law enforcement officers, not just game wardens, can enter private property on open fields without a warrant. Traditionally, game wardens have had even greater scope to enter outbuildings and even dwellings in search of evidence of game violations. Many states have curtailed those powers, but generally the open field doctrine is explained done. The open field doctrine as explained and done, applies to all law enforcement officers. In that case, a DEA agent, along with the Houston Harris County deputy enter the defendant's property to look through a woman to look through the windows of a barn about one hundred yards behind the main dwelling. The court ruled this entry onto the property was not a Fourth Amendment violation because open fields are not protected as part of the person's houses, papers, and effects, which are covered by the Fourth Amendment. He goes on, Obviously, with all constitutional law, there are nuances, and all states can grant greater protections than the US Constitution, but not lesser protections. Not trying to be nitpicky, but I've taught this area of the law for the last sixteen years and have twenty nine. See he's going back around to double up on his credentials. 00:15:11 Speaker 8: You missed the highlight of this email. 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Please go ahead. 00:15:14 Speaker 8: He did this with text to type, and you missed the typo that in discussing the open field the law and enforcement of thought. 00:15:25 Speaker 2: Respect for him, Yeah, that should be what. It's a great. 00:15:28 Speaker 1: It's a great. 00:15:29 Speaker 8: I don't know if that's give it out of respect for Todd oh, I loved that. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: Give it out of respect. 00:15:36 Speaker 8: I still respect Todd, but I thought that was too good. 00:15:39 Speaker 2: I know who gets gloss over. 00:15:42 Speaker 1: Okay, so to review, Well, we've only had two. We need three. 00:15:47 Speaker 3: Fingers. 00:15:49 Speaker 4: You guys cut too many. We don't have internet, so I can't stick something else back. 00:15:54 Speaker 1: We can just do one of the next one. I'm doing the number three. 00:15:58 Speaker 6: Oh okay, perfect, So this track bear. 00:16:02 Speaker 4: This person we wrote in didn't even write it really in as a correction, but more like a clarification. 00:16:07 Speaker 1: So now you're but corrections clarifications are in my book pointing out something that was omitted. It's like aeror biomission counts. Clarifications count. 00:16:22 Speaker 8: Great for me, this is both the clarification and the correction. 00:16:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, well good for this guy. He might get you. 00:16:28 Speaker 1: We're talking about glomer bowl in semination, and this goes back to a conversation I have with my dear friend Kevin Murphy, who is describing to me his ranch work as a child, and how they had a bowl whose penis was reoriented to come out the wrong direction. When Kyle's were coming into heat, they would take this bowl and put a big ink blodder on his neck. He would go out and try to mount ripe cows and then ink blottom. Then rancher comes out, notices an ink blot on a cow, runs out artificially inseminates it so as a way of identifying a coyle coming into heat tracking. Uh huh okay. Then we talked about that a bunch and we've had other corrections about it. This guy wants to clarify and that they dub these things goomer bulls. This one guy calls them a glomer bull. Stephen Krue, I teach a cattle artificial insemination course with University of Idaho, again comes in hard lays out his credentials. You had a cowboy write in about golomer bulls, which were a common way to check for standing heat and cattle. However, goomer bulls are not extremely common in today's world. The cowboy talked about a lottery ticket style scratcher, which is common use. However, it does not have to be a bull riding. Those females they write each other. If you got young children nearby, cover their ears. No, No, I'm joking. In a penter pasture, they ride each other. Other females will scratch so okay, they put a patch on the cows other females are trying to ride each other. The females will scratch off the patch and show the artificial insemination technician that the cow is in heat and ready to be inseminated. See, this is a little surprise I've seen. I didn't know, Like I've seen plenty of that go on in my day, but I didn't know that they were queuing in on the cow being in heat. I just thought it was just general whatever. Another common practice is to use hormones that stop or start an ovulation cycle to time them so a majority of animals understanding heat at the same time. I'm familiar with that. I think they call them heat sinking. You're familiar with heat sink seeking missiles. This is heat sinking. Artificial semnation is a great tool for genetic improvement cattle and other species, as well as removing some dangers and additional expenses expense of having bulls on a farmer ranch. Tough competition. Let me review in my head, so to to remind everybody voting open fields, doctrine Catalina and Gomer bulls Catalina. How many votes? How many voters you got today? One eight eight votes, Catalina right, open fields. 00:19:41 Speaker 6: That's like. 00:19:44 Speaker 8: Respect for laforcement. 00:19:46 Speaker 10: Sorry, yeah, well you know why because that's dude, a lot of people and and god bless them people writing in with the math questions. 00:19:58 Speaker 1: That's all great, keep them, but that's got real teeth right there. 00:20:03 Speaker 8: And I not to take anything away from Gobert Bowl insemination. It's fascinating. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very interesting. But yeah, thanks Todd. We'll get in touch and you can choose your own pair to COVID boots. 00:20:15 Speaker 8: Law man with some new boots. 00:20:16 Speaker 1: Yep, I like that. Wow, hopefully he's gonna he's gonna shotgun those new boots and get his holsters out and go down to Main Street. 00:20:27 Speaker 3: Can I add one more thing? To have a fingers email please? Twenty sixteen Discovery article covered it if it should be Neanderthal or neanderthal. They determined both are fine, but they likened it to if you say Neanderthal, that's like calling Paris Peri instead. 00:20:44 Speaker 4: So that's that's what you sound walking around with that email. 00:20:52 Speaker 3: A terrible or just commit and start calling it Parie. 00:20:59 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, whatever, you got to get that throat now I'm going back to Neanderthal. Bad dude. We had a previous episode where we were goofing on a guy. So a guy wrote in talking about his daughter's boyfriend, and he's saying that normally he's kind of a numbschool, but he had a good idea about using e bird, like a birding app where people share their bird sightings using e bird to scout ducks. And he says, like, normally this kid's a numb school, but that's a good idea. Well, the kid heard that, and he wrote in He's like, I think that that's me. I was just telling my girlfriend's dad about. 00:21:46 Speaker 8: This, and he knows that the girlfriend's dad listens to the show, right. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: There's gonna be a conversation that happens. 00:21:55 Speaker 1: Between those now, he points out. He goes he was under the assumption that the discussions he was having with his future bother in law would be kept under wraps, but now that the secret is out and that his father in law, future father in law whatever didn't respect the privacy of the conversation. Anyways, he wants to clarify something. I was pointing out that I don't think that that scouting tool is gonna be as quick as ducks, you know, like like geese hit a field just I mean, you know, if geese are in the field in the evening, you know there's that's where you want to be in the morning. But there's no like guarantee, you know. I mean it's like, so I'm like by the time you like build up a bunch of hosers driving by being like, oh I saw a goose. You know that you're not going to hunt off that old infot in a field, dude, Yeah, well that's that's legit. A gobbler strutting field is like he's somewhere around there, manpecially like old church, old cemetery nearby. He's there. So I was like, it doesn't really work. And he writes in this this has been a damn correction. He goes, he brings up, how I question the up to datingus of the material and he says, I'm not sure if Steve is aware of a Handy e Bird of a Handy e Bird tool called alerts, you can request on e Bird's website to be notified as often as hourly of sightings of birds. These alerts can be personalized, and there are ways to set the alerts up to notify you of species of particular interest. I'm often doing homework. He says, he can't be that bad of a kid and driving around. I don't know what that means. 00:23:47 Speaker 2: I know what it meant for me back in the day. 00:23:49 Speaker 1: And he'll get he'll get alerts, He'll get notifications alerting him to where he should go find a species or a bunch of species that I'm looking for. Okay, alerts. 00:24:04 Speaker 5: You know. 00:24:05 Speaker 1: I can see setting like setting into like strutting gobblers jump. If there's a drop down menu, it can be like like wandering hens. You be like, no, I don't really care about that. This could be big strutters. You'd be like, that's it's gonna set up. 00:24:26 Speaker 7: Some odd moments because like when a when a hunter and a burger arrive at the same spot the same time. 00:24:34 Speaker 11: Later, like, you know, but couldn't you also see hunters being like I'm gonna report strutting gobblers twenty. 00:24:45 Speaker 12: And they are thick. 00:24:47 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good point. I wouldn't have thought you'd out smart at me, because you'd have been like, if you knew I was doing it, you'd have been like just showing you'd have strutters everywhere, but where there was a strutter, right, Yeah, right. Then, then each user would have to have their own sort of review rubric that some people could rate their. 00:25:05 Speaker 2: Post as like an old lady Burger. 00:25:07 Speaker 1: Right. See, here's another piece of feedback that like, is this guy's getting kind of screwed up set of boots. But when we were talking about Neanderthals, I was talking about a book I was reading, and in the book I was reading, I was talking about how this anthropologist was looking at the suite of injuries they find on Neanderthal skeletons and how at some point in time, a physician who worked on bull riders often in his community said, man, it seems like the suites of injuries we see on Neanderthal skeletons reminds me of the kind of injuries I see on bull riders. And it led to this idea that they had this like confrontational hunting strategy and they were getting wounded by their prey, like how bull riders get wounded by bulls. He says that that idea was an idea, but as people have done more and more research on it and looked into it, they're finding that it's really it's really not and it has fallen out of favor. The rodeo writer interpretation, he says, is largely fallen out of favor. More research has shown that the trauma patterns used to support the hypothesis or the hypothesis are not unique to dangerous hunting scenarios. It can also be explained by other factors, including interpersonal violence. As a result, many researchers, including one of the original proponents, now consider the confrontational hunting explanation to be undersupported. Our colleague Alex Tilney wrote me, or told me over the phone he was reading that same paper because he got interested in it, and he said, you could also argue that they have a suite of injuries similar to people who have been in golf cart accidents, which leads one to believe they were golfing. Here's this. One's not even kind of a correction. But we'll get in. We gotta get moving on. We're gonna get into this. I didn't know about this. This guy's right, and now he's talking back to our screwerm episode. So during World War one, I'm gonna try to make it as quick as possible. Back during World War One, America was supplying horses to the English Okay, we're breeding horses and sentiment, because that was a war still fought on, you know, to some extent, fought on horseback. The crowds sent over an infectious disease spy to plant diseases in America, to give anthrax and other disease. This guy got caught and ran got away. He died in the Spanish flu epidemic. He came here and was swabbing American horses with anthrags, trying to kill the horses before they could join the World War One war effort. 00:28:03 Speaker 2: Dang wow, and he died of the flu. It's kind of fitting. 00:28:07 Speaker 1: He fled they they never caught him. He fled and went up, dined and from the Spanish flu sucker over to Randall. Yeah. 00:28:21 Speaker 8: Now, Phil's gonna play a little segment here in honor of marsh Madness. This was an interview I wanted to do on Radio Live, but as we all know, it's dead now and it's been dead for several weeks. So we just pre recorded this interview with Will Cheddar of the University of Michigan basketball team. 00:28:38 Speaker 1: Play the tape. 00:28:39 Speaker 8: Phil, Welcome to the Meet Eater News Sports Desk. I'm your host, Randall Williams joined today by Will Cheddar, power forward for the University of Michigan men's basketball team and winner of Meat Eater Trivia Episode one thirty. Will congrats on a great season so far thirty one and three, going into the tournament as a number one seed, nineteen to one in the Conference Big Ten champs and with two dominant wins last week. The Wolverines are in the Sweet sixteen, facing off against Alabama this Friday. When was the last time you went fishing? And how was it? 00:29:12 Speaker 5: I was actually out last night, went out to this little inland lake about twenty minutes from campus and got into the first small mouth of the year. So it was pretty uh, pretty good to be back out on the boat, back out on the lake after such a good weekend. 00:29:29 Speaker 8: And this is coach aware that you're fishing in between tournament games. 00:29:33 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's well aware. Good, he knows, he knows. 00:29:37 Speaker 5: That's my pressure. 00:29:38 Speaker 8: Earlea suck perfect. 00:29:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, So we're all good there. 00:29:42 Speaker 8: Well, I want to go back to late January. You're eighty three seventy one victory on the road against Michigan State. Huge win against the number eleven team in the country. Your in state rivals and a program with a lot of pedigree. Two days later, you posted a photo of you pulling a bluegill out of the ice. What were they biting on that day? Oh man? 00:30:02 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, so that was funny thing about that. I was supposed to go salmon fishing at this harbor up on Lake Huron and my spot had frozen over. 00:30:13 Speaker 1: I was so pissed. 00:30:14 Speaker 5: So we on the way back, we hit Lake Saint Clair, just went into the canals and just hammered blue girls. I think we were just tipping jigs, like little tungsten jigs with with waxies. 00:30:29 Speaker 8: So it's amazing. Yeah, now you got a talented squad up there, some potential NBA draft picks. If you could only fish for one species for the rest of your life, what would it be? 00:30:39 Speaker 1: And why? 00:30:40 Speaker 5: Oh my, I'd probably have to say small mouth bass. 00:30:48 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:30:49 Speaker 5: Just you know, with you know how hard they fight, they're they're fun to catch. 00:30:55 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:30:55 Speaker 8: Now, you guys have had some big changes during your time in ann Arbor. Coaches. Steam May took over in March at twenty four. You've had a lot of roster turnover. Now in coach may second season, you guys are on your way to the Sweet sixteen for the second year in a row. Do you keep your own boat on campus? 00:31:15 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in my garage at our house. 00:31:18 Speaker 1: Nice. 00:31:18 Speaker 8: Nice, last question here? Will you guys have a tough matchup on Friday against the number four seed Crimson Tide. They're a high tempo, offensive minded team with some of the nation's highest three point shooting volume in efficiency. When was the last time you ate a fish that you caught. 00:31:37 Speaker 5: Two weeks I didn't catch that one, man. I'd probably say October was the last. 00:31:44 Speaker 8: Time m preseason I had a fish. 00:31:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was preseason. That was Lake Saint Clair walleyes. I think that's probably the last time my buddy caught them, well as when we went on on the Detroit River a few weeks ago. But I can't lie I didn't catch them. 00:31:59 Speaker 8: So but I so very nice. Well, Will, thanks for taking the time during a busy week. Best of you, Luck to you guys moving forward in the tournament. 00:32:08 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 00:32:08 Speaker 5: Mom. 00:32:11 Speaker 1: That was a great segment. 00:32:12 Speaker 8: Hey, guys would have killed on live. 00:32:17 Speaker 2: Shout out to Will though. 00:32:18 Speaker 8: He's I know he's a fan of the show and he fishes. Probably harder than anybody in college sports. 00:32:24 Speaker 1: So it's great to hardest fishermen in college sports. 00:32:27 Speaker 8: I feel very confident in saying that. 00:32:31 Speaker 1: Okay, so someone said us this, this is kind of a funny thing. I gotta laugh out of this. Tony's gonna explain it. I gotta laugh out of this. Phil you got your little thing that makes the bleeps. 00:32:42 Speaker 6: I can do it in post. 00:32:44 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:32:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. So well, first off, Tony, can you explain how can you explain what's going on? We'll read the letter, but can you explain? Can you give the background on this? This? This is this is out of Wisconsin. 00:32:54 Speaker 11: So Wisconsin's turkey take system is they have a draw the deadlines like December tenth every year get into it and as you can imagine, people are trying to draw early season tags. So Wisconsin has six seasons, seven zones throughout the state, and the highest demand seasons are the first couple because everybody wants to hunt first, right, So people apply for those and generally those get soaked up in the lottery. But Wisconsin has a quota system per zone per season that they will sell one per day after a certain point in March. So this year was Mark even if the pool if there are tags left. 00:33:37 Speaker 1: Okay, So if you apply for a season season A and then it gets all filled up, they don't then sell them online. No, it's only it's only. 00:33:48 Speaker 12: So these are all leftovers. 00:33:50 Speaker 11: But people count on it because Wisconsin has, i mean, depending on the zone right southern part of the state, tons of tags. You move farther north, fewer tags right one zone. This year, Zone six didn't have any leftover tags, so you couldn't for any season. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: Is there a point system, Tony or is it just lottery? 00:34:08 Speaker 11: Yeah, so there is a point system, but you can kind of count on getting tags in a lot of places. You know it might not be the season you want. So what happens is every year in March, they'll have a date and they go okay, Zone one licenses go on sale at ten am on March sixteenth, March seventeenth at ten am, Zone two, right on down the line to whatever's left. And then once they've gone through this first phase where it's just that day is dedicated to that zone, then they're all first come, first serve and you can buy one a day till they're gone. So, as you can imagine, there's a lot of competition kills takes because people are trying to buy the earliest tags they can generally, or if you know the kids are going to be off of school and you want to hunt with them, you're trying to get that weekend or however that falls for you. So this is a cis them where you can show up fifteen minutes before the ten am launch and get in line and you're waiting there in a virtual queue and then at ten o'clock they assign you a spot and so you might be fifth in line. 00:35:14 Speaker 1: And it's not how it's not tied to how long you were on the phone. 00:35:17 Speaker 12: Nope, nope. 00:35:19 Speaker 1: So you can be there eight hours early. 00:35:21 Speaker 11: Well you can only get into the virtual q fifteen minutes early, right, So, and I know you're going to go into this, but in the interest of journalistic integrity to do whatever you want, I have to say that I was involved in this, and so was Patrick Durkin, our mutual friend. 00:35:38 Speaker 1: So's bubbly Doug. Right. 00:35:41 Speaker 11: So I it worked out in the end, but I went through this what we're going to get into. But that is that's the gist of the system. 00:35:49 Speaker 1: That's how it works. You know, I want to just a little added color here, because this has helped explain a thing to me. Is like, take take Doug, where Doug lives, right, Doug will usually say, and I'm understanding it better now, he usually say, there will be D season. There's He'd be like, there's always some D seasons meaning whatever by that means A, B C get consumed in the draw, but then there's but then there's some D. So you might be on the lottery, you're not hoping to score a A. You're in the Q waiting to get a D, just. 00:36:22 Speaker 12: Trying to get something because that's what's there. 00:36:23 Speaker 11: That's what's there, right, So you got to imagine like a lot of Midwestern states, you're talking to mid April opener that goes through the end of May. And so if you look at where Doug lives, I would assume Doug is in Zone one, which has a ton of tags. So the highest priority one will be the first season that's available after the lottery, which will often you can count on D season, right, and if you wanted to hunt later than that, you can count on the seasons after that, and you could end up having multiple tags if you want. So it's it's actually a really cool system because you can kind of if you if you have the opportunity, you can hunt a couple different weeks or you know, I mean you can you can plan around that. 00:37:06 Speaker 1: But this style, their style of running a whole ton of turkey seasons that are all one week long or roughly one week long. That's an odds system, it is. It is. Yeah, so you like, instead of being like, oh, curkey season, I'm gonna hunt for six weeks, it's like, no, you're gonna hunt a week. 00:37:28 Speaker 8: It's like Colorado Big Game season. 00:37:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, Colorado's Big game season. Like you're like the first season, second season, third season, fourth season, right. 00:37:34 Speaker 11: And it's so I'm I'm less sensitive to it because Minnesota has gone through we've way liberalized at home. But when I started turkey hunting, you had a draw season and you had five days and it was half days, so you can. 00:37:49 Speaker 12: Hunt till noon. 00:37:50 Speaker 11: And then they started expanding it and eventually we could hunt till three thirty, and then we could hunt till sunset, and eventually they sold a season long archery license so you could get the six weeks. So this is, you know, I don't know where this originated from but I would assume that this system is old and it comes from when they didn't have very many turkeys, because that's where ours, you know, came from. 00:38:15 Speaker 7: So it might be an aspect of spread and pressure out to there. 00:38:19 Speaker 12: It definitely is, sure, man, it definitely is. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: Because not everybody is all going to hunt the opener, right, or the bulk people going hunt the. 00:38:26 Speaker 11: Open and if you're a non resident, you're just about never going to hunt those early seasons. 00:38:30 Speaker 1: So was this deal here that happened? Was it really that different than normal? 00:38:35 Speaker 12: Well? Do you want to get into that? 00:38:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you want to get it? Should I should? I read the thing? 00:38:39 Speaker 12: Yeah you should? 00:38:40 Speaker 1: So someone rent like a frustrated user, Your system sucks. Waited in line was three thousand and eight hundred in line, I live in zone two and you gave me a permit for zone seven. Then I waited for the bonus, waited all the way to my number, and your thing bailed out on me. You inbred peace is a I'm not even gonna say it, mother. 00:39:13 Speaker 4: There are no periods or commas in that comment. 00:39:17 Speaker 1: Not Donald well, Donald not happy right, not Donald Trump? No same number. 00:39:27 Speaker 8: The d NR's response. I noticed the DNR replied. 00:39:31 Speaker 1: They replied to it, I can't. 00:39:33 Speaker 8: That's right. Sorry, I didn't mean to. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: I'm scrolling through the comments now I can't find Don's post, So. 00:39:40 Speaker 1: Don don s miffed, fired up? Ain't winning Don back. 00:39:45 Speaker 12: I can tell you that I was too, you were. 00:39:48 Speaker 11: So I got into that virtual queue, and I have added pressure because I need to get myself a tag, and then I need to try to get in and get my daughter's tags. So I have to log in, get in line, log in until I'm stressing. 00:40:00 Speaker 12: I get into line. Are they assigned me my spot? 00:40:03 Speaker 11: I have four people ahead of me, which made me feel like when you get in really early boat drawing a tournament and you're like, nobody's gonna be on my starting spot. 00:40:12 Speaker 12: This is a smooth sailing. 00:40:14 Speaker 11: So I get in, go to buy my teg simple and then it won't process my payment, and you know, you're on the ticking clock because they're funneling through a bunch of people. And this is before they had issued a hey, we were having technical difficulties stick around, you know, the spinning wheel death or whatever, and so I'm like, okay, they're going to boot me out. I tried to buy it five thousand times, but I'm like, I don't want to refresh or go back because I'll lose my spot. Yeah, and I had, you know, four people ahead of me, you know, and you know thousands of people. 00:40:46 Speaker 12: Are in line. You feel the weight of all those people. I felt a lot of weight there. 00:40:51 Speaker 11: And so then the system kicks me out, and so I have a little Dad Anger temper tantrum that you get sometimes when you got to build an exercise bike or something, fix the garage door. So then I have to get back in, you know. They they they issue the statement that it's not working. They're running through a technical payment processing glitch. I'm waiting to get back in. I'm waiting for them to start letting us queue up. And I checked my email just randomly, and it had a receipt from the Wisconsin DNR. And so I'm like, okay, did I get my license? And then I looked at my U like see if there's anything pending on my credit card, and there was. So I'm like, my payment somehow must have gotten through even though I didn't know it and it didn't show me. I didn't have the receipt on the actual go Wild site but I got to wait in line anyway because I got to get my daughters in there. They finally open it up. I get back in there are I can't remember what place. 00:41:54 Speaker 1: I see that you put yourself in front of your daughters. 00:41:58 Speaker 11: Well here's why. I hunt with a buddy of mine down there, and I knew that I would be able to probably get one of my daughter's tags, if not both of them. But I'm like, I got to take one of them for sure. So we're gonna hunt together kind of thing. And we're gonna hunt with him, So I'm like, I knew we would get the tags probably. 00:42:23 Speaker 1: Did it make any sense to you? 00:42:25 Speaker 11: I wasn't anticipating this, Like I'm like, I'm going to get in, but. 00:42:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, generally like yeah, right right. 00:42:34 Speaker 12: So I get kicked back in. 00:42:37 Speaker 11: I got like eleven thousand people in front of me, and I'm like, this has been like an hour and a half. Deal, it goes by fairly quick. Finally get in there, buy one of my daughter's tag and I'm like, I wonder if this will let me just use this window? And I got back in got the other one tags. So I'm a fairly good father. I guess not as good as I thought I would. When I started this story. Anyway, people start losing their shit, like you start seeing this out there, right, And so Karin asked me to look into this for this because we knew this Donald Feller was pretty ticked off. And I know, even though I'm a Minnesota resident, I hunt Wisconsin all the time my own land over there, I know the general vibe toward the DNR, like there's Wisconsin hunters are not shy about speaking out against the DNR. So I dig into this and I find an article by Pat in where where he has he had the same experience and wrote he did write about it. And in Pat's article he referred to this this problem with their system as a thundering herd problem in the IT world, which I love as a name. Right, everybody runs to the same spot the system crashes. And so in his reporting, Pat said that this thundering herd problem, which shuts down the system for a while, has happened in Wisconsin three times in eighteen years. 00:44:09 Speaker 12: And when I read that, I was like, man, I. 00:44:10 Speaker 11: Kind of remember going through this at some other point, so it's it has definitely happened before. But this Donald fellow blaming the Wisconsin DNR and people getting super pissed. You know, we know because of what we do with this with this company. Sometimes you contract out services, right, So the Wisconsin DNR doesn't really run that service, you know it is. It is contracts. 00:44:37 Speaker 1: It's not like a game warden sitting there. 00:44:41 Speaker 12: Pour it down like what. 00:44:43 Speaker 11: It reminded me of, you know, back in the day of being being primarily an outdoor writer, which was my gig for a long time, and a lot of people in here have done that. You know how it is where you send something in and maybe it's supposed to be two thousand words and you send it in at twenty two hundred or you know, they get they sell an ad and they got to cut it down by three hundred words. And that's where a lot of typos and the magazines came from. Was, you know, that last minute edit where you're like, we got to get this down to fifteen hundred words to fit, and you'd see some continuity issue in there somewhere, and then people would call you out as the writer and be like you suck man. 00:45:16 Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you're like, I didn't you don't even know grim or right, right, so I feel like the Wisconsin DNR has has been blamed in a way that maybe they shouldn't be. 00:45:28 Speaker 11: And so I dug into that a little more because I understand why people were so pissed off because I was having gone through it. But we haven't had all kinds of thundering herd problems in the outdoor space. So I don't know if anybody had to buy or tried to buy an Idaho tagus for that was I think twenty twenty two, Idaho had a day long system crash. Pennsylvania had this happened with Antler list tags in twenty twenty three, and so it's not this is just a thing that happened ye with technology. And then I so then I was like, well where else does this happen? Ariana Grande in twenty twenty five and six million people try to buy a pre sale ticket event crash the whole thing, Oasis Reunion Tour, same really. 00:46:18 Speaker 12: Right right right? 00:46:21 Speaker 11: A CDC in twenty twenty four had thirty five thousand people rushed the digital door understruck. 00:46:25 Speaker 7: Those aren't the kind of fans you want to get mad. 00:46:28 Speaker 11: Right Super recent Super Bowls, NBA Finals video game releases, Comic Con events, Harvard University commencement access. 00:46:40 Speaker 12: I've had it apparently. 00:46:42 Speaker 11: And didn't keep that House of the Mouse, while Disney World has had this happen too, So. 00:46:48 Speaker 12: This is a thank you. 00:46:51 Speaker 11: This is a problem that just happens now. The one thing that I didn't encounter in any of the twenty two. 00:47:00 Speaker 12: Minutes I did researching. 00:47:01 Speaker 1: This was was the situation where no, it's good. 00:47:08 Speaker 11: Donald said that he had tried to get a I think he said zone two tag and ended up with Zone seven or something. I didn't see that anywhere, and I even went to I almost. 00:47:16 Speaker 1: Wonder if Donald didn't maybe make a mistake. 00:47:18 Speaker 11: Well, so you would think that, but in the system you really shouldn't be able to because when you when you get in on the specific day, there's a drop down, you know, it's like zone one tag and then a drop down for the season, and it doesn't let you go. 00:47:32 Speaker 1: So it wasn't his fault. 00:47:33 Speaker 11: But and so I went to like the state page, the Wisconsin state page on both site. You know, I went to some forums to just see if there were other people bitching about that kind of thing, and I didn't find it anywhere else. So that one is like a little bit of a mystery on what happened there. 00:47:51 Speaker 3: I found the Wisconsin dn r's response on Facebook to Donald, and Donald replied to them. 00:47:58 Speaker 1: Again, did they make amends? 00:47:59 Speaker 3: Well, and I will do some role playing for you. I will be the Wisconsin dn R. Randall is going to be Donald. So Wisconsin DNR says, Hi, Donald, we are aware of the issue and are working with our technology provider to resolve it. You No, yes, just simple. 00:48:18 Speaker 1: He needs to just have his license, yanks man. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, he's got his full name on Facebook. 00:48:24 Speaker 1: That's what he said. 00:48:25 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. 00:48:29 Speaker 8: God loves the turkeys really quick. 00:48:31 Speaker 1: This episode airs tomorrow, so I don't have a lot of time to go through and bleep stuff out. 00:48:35 Speaker 7: So I'm just trying to go get a turkey with a license or not. 00:48:40 Speaker 8: Sorry, Phil, with the full context, I regret doing what I. 00:48:45 Speaker 1: Just thank you, Thank you, Tony. Over to Brody Tungsten, Like, speaking of turkey, did you interview Max Barta's party reported? This is a big deal. 00:49:00 Speaker 7: So if you're not aware of your a turkey hunter, and you're not aware that tss AMMO is extremely expensive. 00:49:07 Speaker 2: If you can even. 00:49:08 Speaker 7: Get your hands on it these days, and some people might not be aware of why that is. And there's a global tungsten shortage, mostly driven by China's dominance and kind of like owning the tungsten mining field. But there's also like export restrictions, tariffs, and rising military like global geopolitical conflicts wars if you will. So in the last year or so, the price of like raw tungsten is up five ye inventory is nearly depleted. It's likely a multi year supply deficit. Supplies are nearly exhausted, I said, And and like productions, so the production can't like cover or ramp up, there's just no way, and competition for the resources increasing. 00:50:06 Speaker 1: And then this up has a self perpetuating quality because the minute I learned about this, what did I do the same thing? 00:50:14 Speaker 2: I did the same exact thing. 00:50:16 Speaker 1: I was twenty two animal crisis. 00:50:18 Speaker 5: Yep. 00:50:18 Speaker 1: All my life I'd always bought like a little box of twenty two shelves to men. There was an animal crisis. I'm like, I need three bricks. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, No, I went out and how many of these things? 00:50:28 Speaker 7: So I got how many do I need to buy? The reason tungsten is is like highly coveted materials. It's very dense, very hard, very heat resistant, and it's like beyond Turkey AMO. It's used in defense and military systems, aerospace, electronics, industrial applications. And so the main drivers of the supply problem are is China, who kind of controls eighty percent of the global supply HMM and terrace on Chinese tungsten are up two to three in the last year or so, and so exports have dropped to nearly. 00:51:09 Speaker 2: Zero in the last year. 00:51:10 Speaker 7: And on top of the China thing, we've got wars going on in Ukraine now a new one in Iran, and tungsten's used in Iran. 00:51:19 Speaker 2: What's that Iran? Around Iran? 00:51:23 Speaker 7: Tungsten's used in armoured piercing rounds, missiles and other. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: High performance munitions. 00:51:31 Speaker 1: Just got to go back to shooting turkeys the old way. 00:51:33 Speaker 5: We'll get to that. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: We'll get to that man. 00:51:37 Speaker 7: And this is something I didn't consider, is tungsen that's used in warfare is permanently removed from the global supply, right, so it can't be like once you shoot, it is gone. And supply chains are shifting towards military allocation first, like industry turkey hunting. That's all like way down the line, turkeyhunt wait on. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: Sadly, like the Department of Treasury is like, well, let's get the turkey then we'll move on. 00:52:10 Speaker 7: And it's kind of Tungus has been defined as a critically strategic mineral, really yep. 00:52:15 Speaker 2: So now we get to the TSS stuff. 00:52:17 Speaker 7: So most everyone probably knows what it is, but if you're not familiar, tungsten's super shot, which is mostly used by turkers, turkey hunters, and like really rich waterfowlers will use it too. 00:52:30 Speaker 1: You ever use that stuff, he's bismuth for waterfowl. But that's rich guy anyway, though, that you rich. 00:52:38 Speaker 7: So TSS is ninety five percent tungsten. Tungsten's twice as dense as led about little little less. But what that means is a tiny number nine TSS pellet weighs the same as a number five lead pellet. So in a shell, a shotgun shell, you get way more pellets per shell, carrying way more energy over longer distances. 00:52:59 Speaker 2: And it's it's like. 00:53:01 Speaker 7: Like it's made a huge difference in turkey hunting, Like I personally can say it's like the biggest change in turkey hunting that I've seen in my life has been TSS AMMO as far as like killing turkeys. 00:53:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, like killing turkeys with pedals to size of coarse ground black peppers. 00:53:18 Speaker 7: Yeah, dude, and even at sixty yards, Like if you're steady and you're drawing a bead on a gobbler, like he's already you know, he's already dead, like he ain't walking away. 00:53:26 Speaker 6: What would the how does it change the effective range compared to. 00:53:32 Speaker 7: I mean, you might get Lucky's shooting lead number five's and kill one at sixty yards because you get one pellet in his head. 00:53:38 Speaker 12: But it's yeah, it's right, Well you have twice as many peals, Like I'm not a. 00:53:44 Speaker 2: Comfortable shooting at a gobbler at sixty yards. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: Really right, But listen, dude, if I like, I'll go back to the old I don't care. 00:53:51 Speaker 2: We're gonna get to that man. 00:53:53 Speaker 7: So last year, forty to sixty bucks for a box of twelve or twenty gaged TSS. This year you're looking at eighty to one hundred in some cases up to two hundred like the custom stuff. So now manufacturers are questioning, like is aunt the average hunter are going to pay twenty to. 00:54:14 Speaker 2: Thirty bucks a shell. 00:54:16 Speaker 7: And the thing is is like prices they're gonna stay high or they're gonna keep going up. Inventory is shrinking, and it's just the price is just gonna keep climbing. So like the the days of like semi affordable TSS loads, that like. 00:54:30 Speaker 1: Might be a thing of that, Like this is you're not kneeling like this is a blip, no, because it's like. 00:54:36 Speaker 2: The supply is years behind. 00:54:38 Speaker 7: Like one I saw a quote from one custom turkey manufacturer, Turkey AMMO manufacturer Salt Creek Custom Ammo. 00:54:46 Speaker 14: I've bought from them before, says TSS is dead really and so if this happens, man, it's like not only the AMMO thing, but like I hunt turkeys with a twenty age. 00:55:00 Speaker 7: My kids have killed them with a four to ten. Guys are hunting them with twenty eight gages now, so like these small bore. 00:55:07 Speaker 1: Shotgun, yeah, the four to ten as a turkey gun became a turkey gun. 00:55:11 Speaker 2: Because and it could just be like useless. 00:55:14 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, my kids killed the first turkey shooting four tens yep with TSS, but. 00:55:19 Speaker 7: Even twelve gauge hunters, like you said, are probably gonna have to switch back to some kind of lead shot and just get better at bringing turkeys in close. 00:55:30 Speaker 1: If this is the case, better at ditch growl. 00:55:33 Speaker 6: When was TSS introduced to the turkey world? Like, how long does it lasted? 00:55:37 Speaker 7: I started hunting with tunks and probably like in twenty twelve to fourteen. But that wasn't this TSS stuff they were using, Like I remember having like a blend of five. 00:55:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, well third degrees had sometimes sixty seven. Yeah, that's I still got a little sash that but full on tungsten. 00:55:56 Speaker 7: I don't know, like eight years ago, six eight years Yeah, when. 00:56:00 Speaker 1: You started being able to just like buy you know, when all the guys I hang out was started shooting number nine tongus wasn't that many years? 00:56:06 Speaker 11: No, So brody is it as a fan of tongue like I am too when I started using it. My daughter's killed turkeys with four ten game changer. My daughter's actually shot nine times with TSS and one hour of turkey hunting one which and I had to strangle the only bird we got. 00:56:26 Speaker 8: You only want to buy one of them turkey. I can tell you. 00:56:29 Speaker 11: One thing in that blind I was swearing worse than Donald was when he couldn't get his tag. 00:56:35 Speaker 1: Oh my god. When it is a problem when you're Ammo, when your turkey Ammo the shell, not the box. The shell costs more to turkey tag. Right, that's a problem. 00:56:47 Speaker 11: Well, right, And when you're digging in your backpack for another box of Ammo in the first hour of a hunt and there's tears in the blind rough stuff iren't familiar. 00:56:59 Speaker 2: A box of tsf Amo is five shots. 00:57:02 Speaker 1: Right, it's not right? But and Max tell the Max Barter part of this. 00:57:07 Speaker 2: Max hit the jackpot. 00:57:08 Speaker 1: Me and him were down in Nevada and falling the no one hunts. 00:57:11 Speaker 2: That's I'm convinced that's. 00:57:12 Speaker 1: Why they got turks. But yeah, they got We were in foul in Nevada. I was in the hotel room. Max wanders into some sporting good store and walks out of there with. 00:57:22 Speaker 7: Five, no eight boxes of four to ten TSS. You paid thirty bucks a piece for it. 00:57:27 Speaker 3: So that would have been I've been half lest year. 00:57:30 Speaker 1: That was half At that time, I go, that's half off. And I look at him like that's more than half off at that moment. And then tungsten exploded and he said, he's gonna sell me back a box. 00:57:41 Speaker 2: But Max is like, I don't even need this stuff. I'm just buying it because he's horrid. 00:57:45 Speaker 8: That contributes to the problem. 00:57:48 Speaker 11: So does this change the calculus, because when people look at expensive turkey shows, like you mentioned, if you're gonna go waterfall hunting, you're like, it's a different thing. Yeah, bismuth whatever, You're gonna just burn through some right, But the justification for those super expensive shells was they performed so well for turkeys. 00:58:07 Speaker 12: Yeah, you're only going to shoot. 00:58:09 Speaker 1: What's ever in people's head? Dude? Someone tells you, it's like you know and you I don't know. You just kind of you get like used to stuff. I'm going back to shooting. Well, I'm going I still have some of my dad's turkey, right, I. 00:58:20 Speaker 2: Mean we killed, but you forget so quickly, right, and like it's. 00:58:25 Speaker 1: Just shooting with like number five copper plated. 00:58:29 Speaker 12: You ever have with those little nines? You ever have somebody shoot like the breast. 00:58:34 Speaker 5: Yeah you got it. 00:58:35 Speaker 8: Yeah, you gotta make sure you can brost your. 00:58:37 Speaker 1: Teeth all the hell. 00:58:40 Speaker 7: I got one little Thing's an add on to this about Trump's tariffs. It's This is not just a TSS thing. The prices of other ammunition are also on the rise because AMRO production kind of is also like a global thing. Nitro cellulose, a gunpowderingingreed ingredient, is sourced internationally, and US tariffs on imports are increasing the cost of raw materials and finished AMMO. As an example, UMO companies that it's like a thin margin so they can't absorb these tariffs. Somo manufacturers are reporting a fifteen percent price increase over since twenty twenty four, and an example is bulk nine millimeter has gone from twenty three cents around in mid twenty twenty five so less than a year, to thirty five cents around right now. 00:59:34 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's almost like a third. They're actually fifty percent increase. 00:59:39 Speaker 1: Its war on shooters, So there you go. 00:59:42 Speaker 3: The top twelve gage TSS round at bass Pro right now is nineteen dollars a shell, and the four to ten am is all about half price of the twelve gage. 00:59:51 Speaker 1: Dude, that'll make you know it's going to lead to his people not shooting as mate, jakes Man, you think I'd be like, I don't know, dude, like twenty bucks. 00:59:59 Speaker 2: I'll be back this that can affect me. 01:00:01 Speaker 1: I'm right, me too over to bear new them for some Oklahoma bear news. Yeah did I earlier say Arkansas bear news? I believe I did. You did say? You know what, I'm going to redo the whole beginning. People listening to know won't know what I'm talking about. 01:00:18 Speaker 6: Wow. 01:00:19 Speaker 1: Well, uh so. 01:00:21 Speaker 15: House Bill four one two eight is a new bill proposition in Oklahoma, And basically what they're proposing is an extension of the Oklahoma bear season by two weeks earlier. So if you if you bait bears in the southeast, you know that is a huge difference because baiting success is entirely dependent on when the acorns drop. It's historic acres, it's the season has historically started on October first. They're wanting to bump it up to September fifteenth, so usually it starts after the acron drop. They're wanting to bump it a full two weeks to before the acren drip. 01:00:58 Speaker 1: When they're more susceptible. Debate, right, because your father has told me, he's like, it doesn't matter what you're using for bait. One sake can get acorns. 01:01:08 Speaker 6: They're out of there. 01:01:09 Speaker 15: They want acorns, yeah, more than donuts, yeah, and so and then they want to bump the bear quota up by three hundred percent. And the truth is is that Oklahoma could afford to take a few more bears. The bear population is doing really well, but it is just super abrupt and super aggressive. And what's happening is the House Representative, Scott Fettgatter, he's the one pushing the bill. And if you watch some of the meetings and the hearings, he's talking, he brings his own evidence for how much how many bears can be taken out. All his evidence is from Kentucky, the state of Kentucky, which has four different three or four different states pouring bear population. 01:01:53 Speaker 1: That's where he's pulling his management data from. 01:01:55 Speaker 6: Right whereas Oklahoma has won and that's Arkansas. 01:01:58 Speaker 15: And so it's if you in the meetings, I watched a clip right before this where he was talking about all of his evidence that he's gathered for why they should push the season up. 01:02:11 Speaker 6: And the issue is is this, there's a whole, there's a whole. 01:02:17 Speaker 15: This guy shouldn't be the one who's doing the science to manage the bear population. It needs to be the game and fish commissions and the Wildlife Department, and so it's just like the bill itself isn't a massive deal. Like I think if the bill goes through, a bunch of bears get killed, like we just won't kill as many bears and they'll have to adjust from there. But what it's doing is it's setting the precedent for legislators to be able to to to make laws based on self interest. 01:02:49 Speaker 1: And yeah, like the agency is like, our research are modeling shows that this is and I should clarify this. If you have an agency, see that it's a good steward and a good pro hunting agency. And the agency is like, this is what we're comfortable with. And then a lawmaker goes, we should be killing a bunch more based on my own home research job. So I'm going to usurp you, you eggheads at the agency, and here's my proposal. 01:03:20 Speaker 15: Yeah, and the crazy thing is is that the bear Commissioner or the bear coordinator just got to prove to do a two year study on the bear population and in two years will have really scientifically based numbers on what the harvest can be. 01:03:37 Speaker 7: You mentioned earlier, like they could probably afford to shoot a few more, but it's not a big populations. 01:03:44 Speaker 6: They can't afford to shoot three, that's for sure. 01:03:47 Speaker 1: Are you saying the season would go from two weeks long to how long? 01:03:52 Speaker 6: It would open two weeks earlier? 01:03:54 Speaker 1: Okay? 01:03:55 Speaker 15: So and that's when all the bears are killed? Is in that first week usually? And yeah, so it's just it's just lack of science base. 01:04:03 Speaker 1: What is his motivation? Like, here's here's a quote from him that this representative what's his name's fat Gadder. Here's a quote from him. We look at bears as cute, cuddly little animals that we can sleep at night with, but the reality of it is they're very dangerous. Just really is what question? 01:04:24 Speaker 4: But is that like? 01:04:25 Speaker 1: But what is his motivation? 01:04:27 Speaker 6: That's the question. 01:04:29 Speaker 15: He's a deer breeder and so that this is where it kind of gets interesting, is he's a deer breeder. And I think a lot of people would be familiar with the CWD bill that is about to get pushed where essentially private landowners can can buy deer that are captive bread deer that are perceivably immune to c w D and then release them into the wild. Which that's a whole other conversation. But so he's a deer breeder and there's here's word on the street. This is kind of some speculation. So I don't I don't want to say this is fact, but this is word on the street. There's a there's another. 01:05:06 Speaker 1: You're a rumor. This is a room. This is a room. 01:05:08 Speaker 15: Say it's a rumor, it's a rumor. There's another deer bringing there in Oklahoma. And he is the one who originally or not originally, but he's he's pushing really hard for the bear bill and for the c w D bill. But fet Gatder, I mean, it would make no sense for Fetgatter to put his name on the. 01:05:25 Speaker 1: C w D bill because he's a deer breeder, got it. 01:05:29 Speaker 15: But this other guy, rumor is they're really good friends. And this other guy hates bears because they're eating his fawns and they're they're getting on his property. He has a property that is surrounded on three or four sized national forest, which if you if you've got a property surrounded by national forest in southeast Oklahoma, there's gonna be a bunch of bears. And so he's pushing for the c w D bill and the bear bill really hard. And so my question too was also like, what's it's the motivation behind it? And I've not gotten a concrete answer, but the my personal speculation would would be to think that he's just a deer hunter who doesn't like the bears kill him the deer, or is under that impression that bears are just wiping out the deer population. 01:06:17 Speaker 1: Or he's a bear hunter and he realizes that if he had two weeks earlier hunting, he'd have a better bear season. 01:06:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's true, that's that's another another thought. 01:06:27 Speaker 15: But he also like the you know that he would have It would benefit him massively to be able to sell captive deer as well. 01:06:36 Speaker 6: And I wonder if he's not just like. 01:06:38 Speaker 15: A deer hunter who wants the Oklahoma genetics maybe to be influent to have better genetics in Oklahoma, or you know, it's it seems like his mind is only on the deer, not the bear. 01:06:50 Speaker 1: So what's your like, what's your take on the bear deal? Do you think it's Do you think it's too too much harvest? 01:06:55 Speaker 15: I think it's too much harvest, and I think I think it just needs to be slow. I mean, like the season Mike could afford to be bumped two weeks up, but to do that all in one year and then to bump the quote up by three hundred percent, Yeah, is h is just way too fast to be doing something like that. And I just don't think that the House Representative needs to be doing the research and needs to be pushing for a bill like that that needs to be done inside the Wildlife Department. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: You'd advocate for a more incremental approach coming from the biologists. 01:07:26 Speaker 15: And a more scientific approach. And what this bill is, it's just a broader representation of what's happening all across the country. Just lack of science based management and there's just a lot of a lot of politics and opinions getting mixed in with wildlife regulations. 01:07:42 Speaker 1: It's a theme. It's a theme. People get frustrated with the state agencies and they and they find workarounds, ballt initiatives, whatever. Yeah, well, Randall's gonna touch on a few bear hunting issues too, thank you. 01:07:54 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:07:55 Speaker 8: Uh, quick update from Washington. They released a game Management Plan, which is like a doc. It's a long, very long document that provides recommendations to the Game and Fish Commission. And we know in Washington that there have been issues with individuals associated with the Commission being antagonistic towards hunting and fishing. But on so, there's no like concrete changes yet as far as I'm aware. But as part of this game management plan, there's a sentence in it where it describes like the other sort of wildlife values associated with bears, and it makes mention of potentially delaying the fall bear season until after Labor Day, because as we all know, Labor Day is a good weekend for wildlife viewers to go out and look at bears, and so they want to avoid folks, you know, out there with their binoculars and their picnic baskets watching watching bears get get shot like it's it's I guess this came up in some sort of earlier policy debate and it had gone away, and then it's sort of mysteriously this language mysteriously resurfaced in the game management plan, and it seems to have caught the attention of sportsmen's groups after this game management plan was published. But I know there's a lot of folks worked up about it, and not only just like out of self interest, but it it sort of poses hunters as antagonistic towards other public land users, you know. 01:09:30 Speaker 1: And I was reading anyone who's familiar with that era at sorry with that area, like like bear hunting in that state, this is this is make believe land. That there's conflict between these these like wildlife viewers and bear hunters. This is make believe right. 01:09:51 Speaker 8: And so most units I guess open currently August first or August fifteenth, And so if you were to push that back after after Labor Day, that's basically cutting a month off the season. 01:10:03 Speaker 1: And it is early season, yeah, it is. 01:10:06 Speaker 8: But also I think like the context of them losing the spring bear hunt not all that long ago, is still they're fresh wounds about that. 01:10:16 Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm not when I when I bring up that it's the early season. Yeah, yeah, I'm not saying that, like, I'm not saying they should change it. I'm just saying if if it was otherwise, if it was if it was always otherwise, always a month later, people would never look and be like, what gives why is your bear season so late? Because that's kind of like bear season, right, like they have a very early fall bear season. 01:10:45 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:10:45 Speaker 8: I was reading some commentary on this, and there was a guy who made a great point. And he said, he said, I'm like a total backpacker public land user, what you would call like a ri I type, you know. And he said, I'm also hunting. And he said, when I'm a hiker and I run into hunters on the trail, we engage and have a positive like discussion and sort of like build that bridge. And he said, when I'm hunting, I run into other hikers on the trail, and it's a good opportunity for us to like build that again, build the bridge between those two communities. And so he's like, just the idea that we would try to separate out hunters from other public land users, even if that's not the intention. He's like, I just think in the long run. So I thought that was a great point. We had just something to keep an eye on. I don't know when their season setting takes place or when if there will be like action taken on this suggestion, but it's out there. 01:11:45 Speaker 7: There's a lot of similarities here between like the Wildlife Commission in Colorado and the Wildlife Commission in Washington. 01:11:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and it stays having lost the spring bear season and then you're gonna lose a month on fall. I mean that's a real that's a kick to the nuts. 01:11:59 Speaker 8: Yeah. Yeah, so that's some obviously like something to keep your eye on, some disheartening news. And then at the same time, in Arizona there's a bill to redefine mountain lions and bears as predatory animals, so they would get lumped in with foxes, skunks, coyotes, and bobcats and bears. 01:12:24 Speaker 1: Yes, but these are game animals right right, And. 01:12:31 Speaker 8: I mean I don't really understand. I guess there was a version of the bill earlier that that included wolves in that as well, but currently, like it just means that they would be like non game animals. 01:12:49 Speaker 1: But they got a es A protection right now. 01:12:51 Speaker 8: Well that's so that that's I think why it was cut out, Like the wolves were cut out. 01:12:56 Speaker 1: Of the bill. The Mexican gray wolf in Arizona has ESA protection. 01:12:59 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I reach out to halfle Finger because they'll probably have a lot of thoughts to clear up my. 01:13:06 Speaker 1: So this is coming from this is definitely coming from people who are who are who are concerned about predation. Yeah, on deer and elk, Yeah, that's that's and they want fewer predators on the landscape, and they think the pathway to get there is just to deregulate mountain lions and black bears into like coyotes. 01:13:26 Speaker 2: Yeah them like Burman yep. 01:13:28 Speaker 15: Yeah. 01:13:29 Speaker 8: So I mean that, like in a lot of states, that's what they were up until the mid twentieth century, early twentieth century, and they're reclassified as game animals and that's done well for all these species, right, Like it's been key to their recovery in a lot of places. 01:13:45 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't like you know that. What's funny about all this stuff, man, all the stuff we're getting into is like, you know, bear talking about well they want to make a bear season bigger, right, and you look down you're like, oh, that's kind of problematic. So then someone is like, hey, we want to make a bear season shorter, and you're left going like, well that seems kind of problematic because what you're always trying to weigh out when you look at this is you're trying to lay out like, what are the motivations, right, what are the motivations of what people are driving at and what happens when you take things too extreme? So, like the juxtaposition between the Washington move Hey, we're going to shorten bear season. You look like, well, you're motivated because you want to kill the whole thing. Like the person that wants to do that doesn't want anyone to hunt any bears, right, And then you go down to Arizona, like what's motivating that the person that wants to do that doesn't want any bears? Right? 01:14:46 Speaker 8: Yeah? 01:14:47 Speaker 1: And so you're trying to like look at like who's got peer intentions aligned with like long term wildlife management and long term interest the hunters, and so you can wind up being. 01:14:57 Speaker 8: The agencies are those people? 01:14:59 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Like and so you're looking at me like what I'm saying, Like someone dropping in from another planet might be like, well, I'm it. Why is it the problem that they're like making a season bigger? But it's also a problem that someone else is making a season shoulder Like which is right? And it's like which is right? Is who has in mind? What goal are they pursuing? 01:15:18 Speaker 15: Yeah? 01:15:18 Speaker 8: And I think like I was up at the Capitol, It's last January when there was a meal deer bill in the in the committee being heard about, uh, basically making it so that f TOBP couldn't shut down meal deer buck hunting during the rut if there were units that had low populations. And the bill never went anywhere, but one of the committee members kind of stood up, and Grant standed and said, you know how am I supposed to go back home to my district and tell these people that unelected bureaucrats are making decisions about their fish and wildlife. And I was just like, that's how it's supposed to work. It's like, that's exactly how it's supposed to work. So I don't know, like I kind of wish in some instances. 01:16:06 Speaker 1: That the unelected beercrats running the Supreme Court. 01:16:10 Speaker 8: Yeah, like like state legislators, I feel like are particularly susceptible to doing this and like stepping in front of the agency and trying to make season setting. 01:16:21 Speaker 7: This favor with your constituents pretty quick. 01:16:24 Speaker 8: On a like a right. But in the big picture health of like this whole system that we benefit from, it's not a it's not a good thing. 01:16:34 Speaker 1: Here's one and this is one I wanting to talk about. This is this is a major issue. Almost I want to spend more time on the future. This is a way of tipping it off, and I'd like to find a great guest for the interview show, just to come in and do a podcast interview about the issue of bottom trawling. Okay, I gotta explain this whole thing. But bottom the bottom trawling industry, particularly in international waters in Alaska, which has become the subject of trawling, has become a very contentious issue in recent years as we're seeing collapses and declines in certain fish stocks. Okay, when we say when someone says bottom trawling, another term they used for it is like a dragger dragging. Okay, These bottom trawlers are draggers, are usually targeting large schools of high volume, low quality fish like pollock for instance. They got they got nets the size of football fields, and the nets are weighted. So when you call them draggers, it's because they literally this net system is heavily weighted and is literally dragged along the bottom to where it like scrapes up crabs and stuff. 01:17:44 Speaker 7: You can do a real quick search on YouTube just type in bottom trawling video and you'll see what these things do. 01:17:50 Speaker 2: It's pretty like eye opening. 01:17:52 Speaker 1: It like if you've been out raking your garden or something. It rakes the ocean floor. So people have long looked at what are the detriments of all that of like habitat destruction from drag and these nets and also the bycatch in this industry hit some pretty crazy levels. So annually it's estimated that annually draggers are discarding about one hundred and forty one million pounds of bycatch okay, king salmon, chum, salmon, halibate, even killer whales okay on the Yukon right now. So think about like this, like let's let's talk about king salmon and halibate. King salmon are in bad, bad shape. Okay, there's been a king salmon. Like Indigenous people have been fishing king salmon on the Yukon River for ten thousand years. Right now. You can't keep it king salmon on the Yukon. You cannot keep a king salmon on the Yukon. The dragers and they have observers on board, counting by catches are not guesses. The draggers are killing more kings as bycatch than make it to the upper Yukon. Wow, there's a site you can go on. I was on the site earlier today. There's a site you can go on. You can track by date the by catch from the dragging industry, the bottom trawling industry. Okay, this year, so twenty twenty six, as of if you go on this thing, they got data up to March seven. Up to March seven, twenty twenty six, the draggers off the Alaska's shorelines, they've killed one point three million pounds of halibit. Most years they're scratching off three point five to four point five million pounds of halibit. I got a question, and they let me finish this point on that. And that's not counting the ones that are what's called deck sorded we're hell are removed and thrown back in. And some people estimate that fifty percent of those dives, so that number isn't even totally there. They'll hit in a year. They're gonna hit thirty five thousand kings, okay, so far this year, just in twenty twenty six, eight hundred kings. As of a month ago, ten thousand, eight hundred kings. And you can't keep a king on the kind of go ahead. 01:20:23 Speaker 7: Those bottom trawlers are not set up to keep and use that by catch like like no, they can't pull a king out and say we're gonna send this to market or a big alb or no. 01:20:35 Speaker 1: This stuff, this stuff gets now. I one time had burger and a beer with a bottom trawler in Seattle, Washington, where the bottom trawling industry is. Like, he's like a friend of a friend. He's probably pisseding me. Right at this very second he was talking about he was making a point to me talking about the guys that work on the boat that when they come off the boat they have palettes of fish to bring home personal use. 01:21:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:21:06 Speaker 1: And I don't even know if that's loud or not. Palettes of fish sable fish. But this stuff is getting kicked off. Okay, Now there's a pole that's out. I don't know who conducted the pole. I haven't looked at the pole. There's a pole of a thousand people, and it could I didn't read the wording on the pole. And you can heavily influence a poll by how you word a pole, right, and a really good polster builds questions that aren't leading. I don't know what the questions are. I don't know how valid the polling data is. But there's some pole of dating polling data suggesting that seventy four percent of Alaskans of pose bottom trawling. What happened recently? There's this open letter where five thousand Alaskans wrote an open letter to Representative Nick Beggach, who apparently had campaigned on raining in the bottom trawlers. But since the election hasn't in their mind, I don't know about the extent of this in this letter's mind, hasn't hasn't made good on the promise to reign in bottom trawlers. 01:22:13 Speaker 10: Uh. 01:22:14 Speaker 1: I was reading a quote from a guy like the part of the reluctance of regulating bottom trawling or outright banning bottom trawling, as people are like, yes, these fisheries are imperiled and collapsing, but we don't know all the causes, and since we don't know all the causes, we shouldn't address any of the causes. And I was reading this guy's comment. He's like, let's say you got a little kid and he's got five McNuggets, and also then he's got no McNuggets left. He gets five a day, but there's none. He learns that someone's throwing two in the garbage. He doesn't know where the other three are going, but there's two going in the garbage. Should he be like well, I'm gonna hold off on talking to the guy that's throwing two in the trash while I figure out what's happening to the other three. Or do you go like, okay, immediately, let's not the two in the tu and then we'll find out more about these other three. But that's the logic they have. So if you read about this online, you'll find these like pro bottom trawling op eds, which are from the industry. They have their own lobbying wing, and they do the classic thing where they're like, it's out of state billionaires, out of state billionaires pushing to ban bottom trawling. But the bottom trolling industry is buy and large from Seattle. The five thousand letters that went into Nick Beggars were Alaskans. The people that bitch to me about it, I don't know how to staterors that know about this. The people that come to me and talk to me about the bottom trolling problem are commercial fishermen, longliners, charter captains in Alaska talking to me about the bottom trawlling problem. I'm not hearing it from out of state billionaires. 01:23:55 Speaker 8: Yep. 01:23:55 Speaker 7: American seafoods is one of the biggest bottom trawlling companies, they're out of Seattle. 01:24:00 Speaker 1: But it's this classic oh yeah, he's out of touch billionaires. It's like, are you telling me there's a bunch of out of touch billionaires talking about bottom trawling and. 01:24:08 Speaker 12: What would be their game? 01:24:10 Speaker 1: They wouldn't know, right, I'm sure they talk about pandas and stuff. But then I've talked about this anyhow, that's a great I do think if I had to crystal ball this, if I had to, and it's like, it's like, I respect it. The people that want to keep that fishery going. They're defending their jobs, they're defending their livelihoods, they're defending their industry, they're defending their family. I understand it, but you are just we are seeing culture that we are seeing that these fisheries are in decline. They're going down. It doesn't look good. If I crystal ball it, I think that this is going to wind up being When I crystal ball it, I think in years coming, this is going to wind up being more regulated and and potentially phased out. 01:25:02 Speaker 7: Yeah, because I mean, right now, it's just like it's not even that they're killing other commercial fishermen. It's not like a sport fisher that's. 01:25:10 Speaker 1: Why Crystal balet the way I am. Yeah, I'm Crystal Balt who I am? Because this has become divisive within the commercial industry. So it's not the commercial industry coalescing, right and like in defending their own, it's other people. Yeah, the pot industry, not the pot like weed, but like pot fishery industry industry. They're like, dude, you're making a problem, you know? Or do you Spencer? 01:25:38 Speaker 3: The Master's Golf Tournament GE's off very soon. It'll be in Augusta, Georgia on April ninth. It's the most prestigious golf tournament in the world. On the line is a four point two million dollars prize, the green jacket, and honorary membership at Augusta National Golf Club, and the winner gets to pick the menu for the Masters Champions Dinner the following year. Back up, Yeah, they win a membership, an honorary membership. It's the hardest golf course to be a member at by the world. 01:26:10 Speaker 1: But I would think those dudes that all be members. 01:26:12 Speaker 3: No, that's it's not good enough to just be rich and good at golf. 01:26:15 Speaker 1: To be a member that takes more than that. Even yeah, some one of the rarest things in life that takes. 01:26:21 Speaker 4: More than that, Like the second major time we're ever going to be covering golf on this show. 01:26:26 Speaker 1: Oh, Brian Harmon wins this year, we're go on. 01:26:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, so that that happens April ninth, and the winner gets to pick the menu for the Masters Champions Dinner the following year. The Masters Champions Dinner, it's an exclusive meal for past winners and the club chairman. Yeah, it's the oldest, whitest group you've ever seen. 01:26:46 Speaker 4: You watching on YouTube, get the pleasure of this very stunning. 01:26:51 Speaker 3: This photo was from a year when Tiger did not attend because of one of his injuries. So it's it's for past winners and the club chairman. About thirty some people will attend. 01:27:00 Speaker 1: This racist comment about Tiger Woods when Tiger Woods won the Masters, I think. 01:27:05 Speaker 3: There were many dude too made comments. 01:27:07 Speaker 1: Yeah about this. It was about the dinner. 01:27:09 Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get to that later on. 01:27:11 Speaker 5: Here. 01:27:12 Speaker 3: About thirty people attend this dinner each year. Not only does the previous winner set the menu, but he also pays for it, so you're you're footing the bill. 01:27:19 Speaker 8: Pick. 01:27:21 Speaker 3: Rory McElroy, he won the Masters in twenty twenty five, and his menu for this year was just announced. For the main course, you get to choose between a filet mignon and the seared salmon. The first course is yellow fin tunic carpaccio with faugras, and for appetizers, he has peach and ricotta, flatbread, bacon wrapped dates, which were inspired by his mom's recipe, rock shrimp tempura, and grilled elk sliders. Those grilled elk sliders will have caramelized onion jam with roasted garlic aoli. And although that last choice, yeah, yeah, it surprised people. This has been covered by the Today's Show, It's been covered by BBC. It's every year leading up to the Masters, there's like a handful of storylines that emerge, and this this is one of them. 01:28:08 Speaker 7: You mean, when you say it's been covered, it's like they're picking the elk thing out of They're. 01:28:13 Speaker 3: Like, you won't believe what Rory McElroy is serving it this Year's Master's Dinner. 01:28:17 Speaker 1: But I heard that you think it's cool. 01:28:20 Speaker 3: I think it's of interest to hear you thought it was cool. Yeah, I think it's cool. I think the Masters are cool. 01:28:25 Speaker 1: I think Rory is cool. 01:28:26 Speaker 3: I think it's cool that he picked wild game, but it was interesting that that he picked venison. I shouldn't say wild game. That he picked vedicon. 01:28:34 Speaker 1: It's a farm animal. 01:28:35 Speaker 3: I understand that. 01:28:36 Speaker 1: I heard he said that wild game propelled him to victory. He is if I hung out in brothels, if I hung out in cathouses and I won the championship, But I'd be like love. 01:28:52 Speaker 3: His quote. 01:28:52 Speaker 7: Wait, wait, like thousands of hunters, let's let's milk the man eat thousands of pounds of Wow. 01:28:59 Speaker 1: Here show I've only been here to share my. 01:29:04 Speaker 7: Real wild game, and this guy is like, wild game fueled my run to the master. 01:29:11 Speaker 1: Of course man. 01:29:12 Speaker 3: But if one of the biggest sporting events in the world has headlines dealing with venison, that's not of interest. 01:29:18 Speaker 1: So that's not making it's interest. But I don't like it. 01:29:20 Speaker 7: That's not making wild elk or the places wild elk live more valuable. 01:29:25 Speaker 1: It's farm animals. 01:29:26 Speaker 3: It's still a headline. I don't I don't understand you're. 01:29:29 Speaker 1: Talking about different things. I heard that you thought it was cool. 01:29:32 Speaker 3: I think Rory's cool. I think cool. I think it's cool that he picked venice, it. 01:29:36 Speaker 1: Can still be news that he thought it was dumb. 01:29:38 Speaker 3: Sure do you got more news? Oh yeah, I got a lot of. 01:29:43 Speaker 8: Week I just said it was interesting. 01:29:47 Speaker 3: Rory said he knew that he was putting venison on the menu as soon as he won. Last May, he did an interview with the Today Show. They asked him what he thought he'd be serving at the twenty twenty six dinner. This was this quote that you guys have been referring to. 01:29:58 Speaker 1: Quote. 01:29:58 Speaker 3: I've been into wild game recently, so venison, elk, stuff like that. That sort of stuff fueled this run, is what he says. To make the champion. Now fast forward to this year, he did put venison on the menu. He said he considered making it the main course, but decided to make it an appetizer instead because he worried that not everyone loves venison as much as him. 01:30:20 Speaker 1: Huh, where American from Ireland? Is he maybe gonna be serving up their red deer from over there? 01:30:28 Speaker 12: It wasn't. 01:30:29 Speaker 3: I would assume it's it's like New Zealand, you know venison that was raised. 01:30:33 Speaker 8: Behind a face. 01:30:33 Speaker 1: Well, why did you write down elk because. 01:30:35 Speaker 3: It says elk. 01:30:39 Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't make that. 01:30:41 Speaker 3: It's it's not the first time elk has been on the menu, specially in two thousand and four, Mike Weir, the only Canadian to ever win the Masters, got to pick the dinner. He served elk, wild boar, sakey salmon, an Arctic char and while Rory has a big list of hand picked wines on the menu, this year, Mike we Are only did Canadian beers with with his wild. 01:31:06 Speaker 2: That guy might have been using the real stuff. 01:31:09 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because he was cleaning up guys is eating their thirty thirty. 01:31:14 Speaker 2: If you're just making some Canadian he. 01:31:16 Speaker 1: Could get some real you know what, We'll send it. He's listening. I'll send you the ol Me. 01:31:21 Speaker 3: We'll give you the wild game for the next enough harm just send. 01:31:25 Speaker 1: Us Brian, Brian Harmon. Brian Harmon will give you all the venison you want, real meat, real outdoor wild meat. 01:31:32 Speaker 3: Wouldn't take that out. 01:31:33 Speaker 1: Brian Harmon beats. This guy's button is Brian Harmon, and this golf tur will be there. 01:31:37 Speaker 2: That's right. 01:31:38 Speaker 1: I hope you win. And then next year when they come out with the menu, it's going to say real. 01:31:45 Speaker 8: Slider. 01:31:46 Speaker 3: This dinner has been a tradition since the nineteen fifties. Here's some of the most notable things ever put on the menu. Nineteen ninety eight, a twenty one year old Tiger Woods was setting the menu after his first Masters win. He was the youngest champion ever. He served cheese bers, chicken sandwiches, French fries, and milkshakes. He was ridiculed for his choice, and the next time he won, in two thousand and two, he instead served a porterhouse steak and sushi. When reflecting on God. When reflecting on his nineteen ninety eight menu, Tiger said, quote, I just went with what I like. It wasn't trying. I wasn't trying to be fancy or anything like that. Nineteen eighty nine, Scottish golfer Sandy Lyle was setting the menu. He horrified his peers by choosing hagis. If you're not familiar with that's a savory pudding made of sheep organs that's then cooked inside of a sheep's stomach. It was reportedly one of the most rejected items ever served at. 01:32:39 Speaker 1: The end, but I don't think allowed to do real hagas because that was that was served in August, so you wouldn't be able to have the lungion that I love. 01:32:48 Speaker 3: And then twenty twenty two, Hideki Matsuyama puts together the most expensive Masters Champions dinner ever. It was made to resemble a Michelin dining experience in Tokyo. The menu featured a full spread of sushi and sashimi for appetizers, Miso glazed black cod for the first course, a wagu ribbi for the main course in Japanese strawberry shortcake for dessert. The meals estimated cost two hundred twenty dollars per person, which is forty dollars more than the next most expensive man that dinner. 01:33:22 Speaker 6: That's it. 01:33:23 Speaker 1: I would think it'd be a lot more. Now, dude, I want to go to. 01:33:27 Speaker 2: Sucker. 01:33:28 Speaker 8: I'm having we're thinking in twenty twenty six menu pricing right in twenty twenty two, two hundred twenty. 01:33:33 Speaker 3: Dollars, I would say they're just sourcing the ingredients at that point, they're not paying the the white staff. 01:33:39 Speaker 1: And the chefs, right. And Brian Harmon wins. 01:33:43 Speaker 3: Dude, I went to the Masters a few years ago and Brian was walking and I had said I was explaining to the people I was with how he's a big turkey hunter, and I'm like, I'm gonna do a turkey call and see if he noticed this. He must have been one hundred yards away, so sure, a real no, just with my mouth, that's pretty good. 01:34:07 Speaker 1: Oh. 01:34:07 Speaker 3: He snapped his head around and looked, and he never identified. I don't think where that turkey call was coming from, but it was like it was a moment in his day walking around and he heard a turkey. 01:34:16 Speaker 8: Was that before or after he came on the podcast? 01:34:18 Speaker 3: That was afterwards? 01:34:23 Speaker 2: I could see there being some big gobblers around. 01:34:25 Speaker 3: No, no, the masters has some more around, Like there's not even birds there. 01:34:30 Speaker 8: You know you see a squirrel? 01:34:33 Speaker 3: Well yeah, it's just like that manicured every blade of grass is thought of. 01:34:36 Speaker 1: Do you remember there was that little scandal that they were pumping bird noises. They were pumping in bird noises and then some bird It was like home, that bird doesn't live around there, and they got bosses. 01:34:48 Speaker 3: He was watching on TV and he heard a bird that's not present in Kentucky or wherever they're going at. 01:34:54 Speaker 1: He's like, dude, that's that's that bird is not there, that's a fake bird noise. 01:34:58 Speaker 3: Cornel we have a Master's inspired recipe on the meat eater dot com. It's chef Lucas leafs fish sliders with Pimento cheese. Pimento cheese sandwich has been famously served at the Masters since the nineteen forties. So this is Lucas's take on that, which includes crappie and a slaw. 01:35:17 Speaker 1: That was a hell of report. 01:35:18 Speaker 15: Thank you. 01:35:19 Speaker 1: Cole's a doozy. 01:35:20 Speaker 3: I'm passionate. 01:35:22 Speaker 8: Really, I like the last I had to fight for it too, It's great. 01:35:25 Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I was fighting. 01:35:28 Speaker 1: That's what makes a good report. It gets there's there's channels that have mastered this thing. You know, like the news is all meant to make you mad, and that's Spencer's style. You know, he has news that makes you mad. 01:35:45 Speaker 8: Because just because you're really. 01:35:49 Speaker 1: Dude, that was a great news. 01:35:51 Speaker 16: You know. 01:35:52 Speaker 1: Holy sliders. 01:35:57 Speaker 3: Elk and Crappie sliders film both in. 01:36:00 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, thanks for joining see you next week. 01:36:03 Speaker 5: Oh we can get that out. 01:36:06 Speaker 2: Hang on, just he just ruined everything. 01:36:08 Speaker 1: Don't hang up just yet. We've been talking. We hope you've heard about We've talked about our twelve and twenty six video program. So twelve we're doing like every month we got a big, you know, almost hour long premiere video coming out. It's called twelve and twenty six. So if you're not too sharp, I'll help you explain it. There are twelve months in twenty twenty six. Each of those months will be allocated a premiere long form video project. 01:36:39 Speaker 5: This month's. 01:36:41 Speaker 1: Is Clay Newcomb's Utah Mountain Lion Hunt. Also Bear. Tell them about bear Grease YouTube? 01:36:50 Speaker 15: Yeah, well we started, uh well, we jump started a YouTube channel. It's now the Bear Grease YouTube channel. I've been running it for out a month now, a little over a month, and we've got a little bit of a different style content than what you're seeing stuff from Meat Eater. 01:37:07 Speaker 1: Yeah you could call it that, you know, it's funny, real low browse I did. 01:37:12 Speaker 15: I did a video on on falconry and the Falconers that I went with. They were like, when is Steve going to cover falconry because yeah, I know all about this. So anyway, that's what I mean, different style content. 01:37:27 Speaker 1: That's that's dungeons and dragons. 01:37:30 Speaker 15: I've spent a little bit of time around falconers last year, and I see what you mean. 01:37:36 Speaker 1: The D and D types or the like they were legit. Okay, well no, I'm not saying you're illegitimate if you're D and D. It's just different. 01:37:44 Speaker 15: Pathways, right right, Well they were, they're like woodsmen, I'll put it, like their woodsmen. Yeah, but I say, I mean like like D and D right sixty of falconers or I would say exactly like that. 01:37:59 Speaker 1: Did you mention that scientifically? 01:38:01 Speaker 6: No, just kind of observing. 01:38:03 Speaker 15: But anyway, we've got that's cool. Yeah, and uh yeah, so we've we've got the YouTube channel going. We've got a video coming on Friday. So by the time this says that'll be tomorrow, there's a video coming tomorrow where we hog hunt with Dale Brisbee and. 01:38:23 Speaker 1: Evan Felker, mules and horses. Did you go on it? 01:38:26 Speaker 6: Yeah? 01:38:27 Speaker 1: Have fun. Oh yeah's a good guy. 01:38:28 Speaker 6: Yeah he is, he is. But anyway, bear grease YouTube channel go check it out. 01:38:34 Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, see you next week. 01:38:38 Speaker 16: When you flew out the wind to the sunset, thought would never stop stream, thought I would never stop stream. 01:39:01 Speaker 15: Your name. 01:39:09 Speaker 17: But I ran out of breath, so I to again some more, and I started screaming loud. 01:39:24 Speaker 12: Streaming goes on for a. 01:39:32 Speaker 5: Name. 01:39:39 Speaker 12: So if you. 01:39:41 Speaker 2: Love this ferver. 01:39:46 Speaker 16: That'll probably be screaming. 01:39:50 Speaker 8: Let love. 01:39:54 Speaker 11: I'm trying to be cool here 01:39:57 Speaker 16: But inside I'm sta