00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show Mother Liquors. Today we're covering Colorado's dumb First Sale band Iowa. This is a different subject subject one Colorado's dumb first Sale ban Two Iowa is hunting for volunteers who can tell one frog call from another. Three Boi Yanni himself hasn't caught a disease called seal finger. He's gonna tell us about it. Four The Red Snapper Wars continue in the American South East. Five Bodycat prices Bobcat prices go through the roof like way through the roof. Six Mark Kenyon has some stuff he'd like to get off his chest. Seven we're gonna talk to American hero gold medalist hockey goalie Connor Hellibuck, who, in all honesty, eh, I'll save it. Not a huge sports guy, but I know patriotic sterns what I feel. Join today by Giannis. You tell us Mark Kenyon, doctor Randa, William Spencer, Newhart, Brody Henderson. As usual here, we're gonna start out with our news. For that, I'm gonna throw it over to Mark Kenyon for his news. 00:01:21 Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of news on my end. Started this new gig at Meat eater. Uh, moving from just being like the uh the resident whitetail guy is what everyone referred me to, uh, and now director of Conservation. So I've got some cool new projects coming out because of that. One of which I guess I can tease now is a new podcast, Awesome, which I'm excited about that'll be dropping late April ish. And I first pitched this as a Mark Kenyon unleashed Just like forever, I've had a kind of box around me that's like, you gotta live in the white tail world, which I love, which is a big part of me. 00:01:59 Speaker 1: But then there's a other whole other half of my unfenced. 00:02:02 Speaker 2: Okay, I like that. I like that, But yeah, unleashed, unfenced it didn't. It didn't pass the muster of all of our our smarter folks here in the company. But more more seriously, what's it called now? Future wild with Mark Kenya? I don't mind unleashed or unfenced. Unfence sounds a little weird that it's too too late and too broad dropped. There's already a thing like that. What else could he call it? 00:02:27 Speaker 1: I mean, like your antlers fell off? 00:02:28 Speaker 2: Oh okay, but it's not about antlers. That's the things I'm trying to get away from antlers. 00:02:32 Speaker 1: They've dropped off. Okay, I'm a little faster, Mark Phil second. Oh thanks man. 00:02:41 Speaker 2: So Future Wild is going to be my place to talk about all things beyond just white tails. But really it's like at the intersection of hunting, fishing, wildlife, and wild places, but with a view towards the future. So if I'm talking to a biologist about I'll tarping, it's going to be what's the future hold for them? God, if we're digging into something about mule there, it'll be exploring what's what's next or what can we do or what does this mean for next year or next decade. Uh So, Yeah, I'm really excited about It's giving me a chance to get to talk to a lot of the people and about topics that I've long been fascinated by and do in my spare time, but haven't been able to, you know, have a platform to talk about a public. 00:03:26 Speaker 1: I like that idea about going into the future. Be like if you had instead of telling old drinking stories, you're telling drinking stories about that you'd like to have happen, you know. 00:03:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the hope there's lots of drinking stories. 00:03:40 Speaker 1: No, that's a good idea. 00:03:41 Speaker 2: What is the future of Yeah, and so it's gotten me, it's given me the opportunity to to, you know, have a reason to read all the books that I already read. 00:03:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, giving me an excuse makes you feel like you're not being lazy when you're reading books. 00:03:55 Speaker 2: Exactly paid to get paid to read the books I already want to read. Gives me excuse to get to reach out and talk to people that I've long wanted to talk to. So we've got three or four episodes in the can already and and some really interesting ones coming down the pipe. 00:04:10 Speaker 1: Who do you what do you give me? The tease of the subjects for me? 00:04:13 Speaker 2: Uh so the first handful, Yeah, there's gonna be a conversation with that goes deep into caribou right now in the future. 00:04:21 Speaker 1: What's going on with them? That's interesting. 00:04:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one that explores habitat fragmentation and island beat biogeography, and really what's happening is more and more large landscapes become metaphorically islands can. 00:04:34 Speaker 1: Make a prediction, Yeah, that gets worse spoiler. 00:04:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that one's that one's gonna be interesting. There's gonna be one that's exploring the interesting kind of sometimes oppositional but in the future, hopefully more times than not, parallel movements of the outdoor recreation community and the hunt fish community and av cating for public lands and in the future of all those things. That's one. There's another one in that one. 00:05:06 Speaker 1: Can make a prediction. 00:05:07 Speaker 3: Can I ask about it? The future of that one? 00:05:10 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:05:10 Speaker 3: In that one, do you figure out if the backpackers were going to start paying a tax to help out. 00:05:16 Speaker 2: We're definitely gonna help pay We haven't recorded that one yet, but you're definitely gonna be asked backpack tax, dude, because the backpack taxes tax the whole thing in organ is an interesting example of kind of an end around on that. Oh, if you're familiar with that shure right now. 00:05:32 Speaker 1: Carl Malcolm has has become very interested in these alternate funding mechanisms for state fishing game agencies. Missouri had the some kind of UH, I can't remember what Another state had a one eighth of one Yep, was it Minnesota? I'm not sure? Maybe it was Minnesota. I can't remember. Some state did like a like a small percentage of a penny of the sale tax and that state now is doing acquisitions off that money. They're doing land acquisitions off that money. Yeah, and in an. 00:06:07 Speaker 2: Organ it's it's just like basically a lodging tax that they're just increasing a tiny bit and that's going to be significant dollars. So so yeah, get to explore stuff like that that that I always follow. 00:06:17 Speaker 1: I'm really interested in. 00:06:18 Speaker 2: It's it's super relevant to this stuff I'll be doing on the conservation side here and meeted her and so this will be a place to talk about it. And yeah, very excited about that. So that's that's a big one. One other piece of news if i've if I've got another second, a lot of new projects coming down the pipe with the you know, in the conservation lane here, but one of those that I want to bring up to the top is that auction house will be opening up again this. 00:06:43 Speaker 1: Year, the auction house of bodies, the auction house A long time out. Yeah, I don't know what happened, dude, A couple Yeah, please, So if you were if you remember back to our show doss Boat. The last season of doss Boat featured a boat I don't know what I can't remember what it was, but I had a one hundred and fifty horsepower Hond on it which has got like three hours on it. So if you're in the market for a one fifty Honda with eight hours or three, that's gonna be in the auction house of bodities. 00:07:15 Speaker 3: I think we should be just off the boat itself too. 00:07:18 Speaker 1: We just need to get it out here. I just had the engine shipped out here just to keep an eye on it. 00:07:23 Speaker 3: He had the boat. 00:07:23 Speaker 1: Would be cool to have that too. Oh here's another thing in the auction ausubodities. We bought my dad's truck. Well, my dad died. Well, my dad died like shortly after the terror attacks, the nine to eleven attacks. That's always remember wh people asked me when he died. I was like, it was about around then he died. Then he had a truck at that time, that truck wanted to going to my buddy Matt Drost. Matt Dross drove it all over. He just hauled a couple of dead deer home in that truck. We just bought it from him, and we're going to auction off a truck which I've slept in the front of the back of. 00:08:05 Speaker 4: You described. 00:08:07 Speaker 2: Are you gonna bit on it? No, you don't want Maybe what year. 00:08:10 Speaker 1: When my when the neighbor down the road one time the neighbor down the road died and his boat went into the auction house of bodities I fished out of that boat off through growing up. 00:08:18 Speaker 2: Well, and so I'll add a little bit more tentatively. We're thinking on top of giving away the shitty uld Truck's right, it's gonna be a lot better. 00:08:26 Speaker 1: We're gonna pack it's gonna be a shitty truck full of good gear. 00:08:29 Speaker 2: We're gonna load the shitty truck full of a bunch of great hunting gear, and then I'm gonna hand deliver it and maybe make Yanni or something to come with me, drive across the country bring it to you. 00:08:38 Speaker 1: That's sorry, I forgot about that detail. We're gonna we're gonna literally stuff the back. It'll be stuffed with a ship shitty truck full of great gear or something like that. Yeah, it's it's gonna be a good one. We gotta get rid of our punt gun somehow. 00:08:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're done with that thing. 00:08:53 Speaker 1: We always were planning on getting being done with it. I don't know if it'll go into the auction house of Bodities or going to the Big Gun auction, but that'll be in there. We just built a new studio and bought a bunch of barnboard from Yanni's neighbor. But we got a bunch left over all that great barnboard, some sixteen footers that'll be in the auction. Can sign sign what the barnboard? You don't even know about this? 00:09:17 Speaker 3: It just has you know if you just if I can just siphon off to put your bid. 00:09:24 Speaker 5: Some of this stuff sounds like local pick up only? Are we shipping it on? 00:09:28 Speaker 1: I just got the motor will ship to you. The lumber is pick up only. I'm not shipping sixteen foot barnboard. 00:09:34 Speaker 6: I just got a sixteen foot trailer. 00:09:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, won't give you a deal like here have been how many miles Randall will bring you the barnboard. 00:09:45 Speaker 6: And then he'll I'd love to do that, okay? 00:09:48 Speaker 3: Uh oh. 00:09:48 Speaker 1: Last thing on on on Our News Our Dear Friend podcast, guest video collaborator Kimmy Werner has her new book out, Kimmy's Kitchen, a cookbook. Kimmy is A is a phenomenal, phenomenal seafood chef cook. 00:10:09 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:10:10 Speaker 1: She's a great person. She's a dear friend to our family. She's a dear friend of many friends of mine. It's a gorgeous book. You can see here here on the cover with a with a goat fish on the end of a three prong beautiful book, beautiful person, great recipes. Anyone interested in fish and seafood cooking and other things here it is an ocean woman's guide to wild home cooking. Good luck to Kimmy. I hope the book's a big success. Please please please check out Kimmy's new book, Kimmy's Kitchen. 00:10:43 Speaker 7: Corrections, Corrections, Corrections, nail. 00:10:49 Speaker 1: Gentlemen, this is where you correct us, and when you catch us being wrong about something, you win free boots. That's how serious we are at the news show to know when we screwed up. Okay, so the winner of today's correction of the week gets a free pair to Coba's boots. If you win today, that's what you get. Correction number one about Porterhouses. Why the hesitation because I embrasing about this. One's embarrassing to me. The writer in says, this good morning, I was listening to episode seven ninety eight tis the season to be hunting, and nearly drove off the road when Steve confessed he doesn't know what a porterhouse is, I said, he quotes me. I said, I know it's a good thing to order, but what the hell is a porterhouse? He said, I was being honest. 00:11:44 Speaker 4: I couldn't have told you either, because it's. 00:11:46 Speaker 1: Not a hunting thing. Hunting dudes don't talk about porter doesn't seem like a correction. 00:11:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not. 00:11:51 Speaker 4: It seems like we're already veering away from correction. 00:11:55 Speaker 1: It's why it's a big umbrella. You could even be wrong by omission and win the corrections context. I might vote for this guy, so he says agreed. First, he tries to establishes his bonafides he grew up in butcher shops, even the tea. Then he turns it into an insult. So he establishes his bonafides by saying he grew up working at butcher shops, and then twists the dagger by saying even the guys sweeping the floor knew what a porterhouse was. 00:12:24 Speaker 2: Damn. 00:12:26 Speaker 1: Apparently it's this a big tenderloin. Is a porterhouse? A small tenderloin is a tea bone. A porterhouse must have a tenderloin at least one point two five inches across, measured from the bone to the widest point of the fleg. As you move backward along the short loin, the tenderloin thickens, which is why the porterhouses come from the rear end of that section. All porterhouses are tea bones, but not all a tea bones or porterhouse. He goes into then to continue again that he can't believe I didn't know this. He ends on that note in writing that's called bringing her back around. 00:13:13 Speaker 4: What's a tea bone without a bone? 00:13:23 Speaker 1: Raise your hand and tell me who? Who in here? Who in here? Do that? 00:13:30 Speaker 6: The only thing I know about porterhouses is that they used to call the porterhouse at Appax Steakhouse the Melbourne, and it was usually the most expensive thing on the menu. 00:13:38 Speaker 3: No, I was going to say that you shouldn't be embarrassed because all of them unless you came up in the beef industry somehow or just whatever. You grew up in Kansas City and you went to a big steakhouse once a week where they had these kind of things. We've always been processing wild game and we don't ye. 00:13:57 Speaker 1: Termin knowledge, but everybody knows your long time on Yanni because you used to run the grill at Tuscanini's. Okay, you didn't pick this up there. No, you're not even a floor sweeper at this butcher shop. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: No. 00:14:09 Speaker 4: I also think it's like generational, like people back in the day would have known. 00:14:15 Speaker 1: My kids aren't like I'll take you. 00:14:17 Speaker 4: People used to go to butcher shops. You know what I mean? 00:14:21 Speaker 3: That's true. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: Correuction number two, Mount Rushmore. The writer in says this, hey, all, on your podcast Neanderthal Love, When was that it called the news show? 00:14:36 Speaker 6: Well, the episode is called Neanderthal Love Something Something something something. 00:14:40 Speaker 5: He's doing some medatorializing here, man, you can't follow everything goes on around here. 00:14:45 Speaker 1: On your podcast Neanderthal Love, it was discussed that the America the Beautiful Pass could be used to grant free access into Mount Rushmore, Spencer Newhart's home state. No pass this is needed for entry into Mount Rushmore. It's free. 00:15:05 Speaker 5: Randall said it, I'd like to like real slap to the nuts for Spencer. 00:15:10 Speaker 6: A correction. I think I just implied that you could use it there. Oh Err suggested I. 00:15:17 Speaker 1: Can't believe Spencer wasn't all over it Big South Dakota. Yeah, yeah, tattoos. 00:15:21 Speaker 3: Did you go there when you live there? 00:15:23 Speaker 1: Was that a thing? 00:15:24 Speaker 5: I think I had been there once or twice. Yeah, ever and both like you know, when I was a kid. 00:15:30 Speaker 1: So correction number three another slap to the nuts for me. Spoon bill pronunciation good morning. The writer in says, I have a correction. From the first episode of the news show. When talking about the National Park passes, Steve referred to the spoon bill as a roseated spoon bill. However, the correct name is a roseate spoon bill. 00:15:59 Speaker 6: That segment was full of errors. 00:16:02 Speaker 3: Okay, who's gonna win? 00:16:04 Speaker 1: The boots? Correct your number one? Porterhouse Ignorance. 00:16:08 Speaker 3: Are we voting right now? 00:16:10 Speaker 1: These are tough Man correction number one, free boots? These are all nitpickers. Some nitpicker is walking away with free boots. Correction number one, Porterhouse Ignorance. Correction number two, Rushmore correction number three, spoon Bill. I know what I'm voting me too. We have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven votes. 00:16:36 Speaker 3: That includes you film. 00:16:37 Speaker 8: That's great, the. 00:16:38 Speaker 1: Engineers in there, Porterhouse show of hands. Please, good Lord done? That's stupid. I just I like the fact that he was so insulting about it. 00:16:49 Speaker 6: His heart's in it. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: You liked the approach. I like the approach. 00:16:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, And honestly, I'm a little bummed that you just didn't read it word for a word, because I felt like it was a well written piece. 00:16:58 Speaker 1: Long cracked it longer it's not, oh, but shortening it. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: I made correction. 00:17:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe. 00:17:13 Speaker 1: Here's why. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: I good info and I got a chuckle out of it. 00:17:16 Speaker 6: YEA, save who you're voted for. 00:17:18 Speaker 1: I'll tell you who, and I'll tell you why Rushmore Because here is a thing where some dude picture some little kids sitting there. He's got no money, you're looking up family, his family's broke, and he's like, all fixing to go to Rushmore. Yeah, okay, But then you know, as he does, he's listening to the news show, you know every week, he likes that show, and all of a sudden he's like, ship, I guess we're not going. 00:17:47 Speaker 6: But then he heard the correction. He's like, I guess I just got to pay for parking, and it's like, we're going to Rushmore. 00:17:56 Speaker 1: It is free. Picture that kid and you're getting and he could be showing up there in some brand new damn boots. I don't think it's happening. But no, mister Porterhouse, who's obviously right right, I'm doing a money symbol with my hand, who's obviously pretty well taken care of. If he's down there, Porterhouses. Every time he turns around, congrats. Yeah, another rich guy, another rich guy out there, another pair of boots. Thank god, that's just what the world needed. Another rich guy in new boots. Thanks to Covis onto your news. This isn't even that big of a deal, but I like it earlier. I think a year ago, a year ago coming up, the Great Lake Pickle was on the show and he was sharing a hot turkey tip that I think is mostly applicable to the American South, but I can think of examples in the North where it's true. Think Pickle was explaining, if you're hunting in the South and you're hunting in a new area, cold rolling into a new area, He's like, if you can find an old church, the kind that has a cemetery outback, was even better. Doesn't need it, but if it has it out back, it's better. There is a turkey near there, an old church has a turkey. He told us this on the show, and he had a lot of examples to back it up. He must have explained why pictures on. You're driving around in a rural area. Where do they put the old church? 00:19:36 Speaker 5: Maybe on a hill where the turkeys live. 00:19:39 Speaker 1: It's just a freak it's a freak deal. But he could back it up. He could back it up. 00:19:45 Speaker 2: Well. 00:19:45 Speaker 1: He sends me a He sends me a piece of legislation from Mississippi that he was unaware of. And the fact that Mississippi even thought to have this. Just give me a second here, keep talking, Brody. 00:19:58 Speaker 4: This legislation has do with hunting within a quarter mile radius of a church. Steve will find the exact details. 00:20:06 Speaker 1: Just keep keep them interesting. 00:20:07 Speaker 4: I think this is the kind of law that is like, uh, women can't wear pants. 00:20:14 Speaker 1: It's a worse law than that. 00:20:15 Speaker 4: It's worse. 00:20:17 Speaker 1: You read for the law. It's got a code and all that, like you know, like all the how they do the codes section four nine seven six, weh and blah blah blah. Here's the rule. This is an actual Mississippi law. If any person shall hunt within one fourth mile of any church on Sunday while services are being held. He shall, on conviction, be fined not less than twenty five dollars nor more than one hundred dollars. 00:20:49 Speaker 4: When when's it, bro. 00:20:50 Speaker 1: I don't know, but Yoda's meant to prevent say you're sitting there in the old service and also out back. 00:20:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, this is one of those. 00:21:00 Speaker 1: Dude would be like, dude, I'm out of here. But then all of a sudden, his wife's like no, no, no, no, no. Section. 00:21:07 Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting about it cause it doesn't specify shooting, it specifies hunting. 00:21:13 Speaker 1: I can't even try. Yeah, but then Lake Pickle sent me a thing from on X. He sent me a screenshot from on X proving to me that when he's hunting by a church, it's in service. He's a half mile away. But yeah, I think it's to prevent dudes from running out of church one rip. 00:21:31 Speaker 4: Like, what if you owned land one hundred yards from that church and you were hunting on. 00:21:35 Speaker 7: Your land, Dude, I would have a real word with the government, or I'd just be like, in addition to all the other junk you spend money hunting on hunting turkeys, there's also every year you have somewhere between a fine of somewhere between. 00:21:53 Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, a turkey tag twelve bucks. But then I got the fine you know, which is which averages out somewhere around fifty sixty bucks. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: You know. 00:22:02 Speaker 2: It's funny, though, this whole turkey thing around old churches we have. I've had a number of friends that have found shed antlers in old cemeteries or adjacent to them, So whenever they're driving around, they always eyeball the old cemeteries in the nearby land. 00:22:14 Speaker 1: Dude, I can think of it just sitting here right now. I can think of multiple examples, even in El Norte that's Spanish for the noise. 00:22:22 Speaker 4: Wasn't there something that happened like in the last couple of years where a dude got in trouble for killing a gobbler in a cemetery? Remember we talked about that. 00:22:30 Speaker 1: Yep, probably bushwhacked it right from behind a big old stone. I remember that. Yeah, hell of a way to do it. And I get mad at him. 00:22:40 Speaker 4: No, because you're driving by that cemetery and seeing that thing stressed around. 00:22:43 Speaker 1: For a week, I understand, Actually your will just breaks. There's we're gonna talk about some dudes in the news today. Who I'm like, you should be in trouble. But I understand. A guy wrote in he's making gonad jerky. He's making deer nut jerky and heart jerky. He put his deer nut jerky and his heart jerky in the same bag, and people wouldn't eat the heart jerky because it was next to his dear nut jerky. 00:23:10 Speaker 3: Not just people, not just any people. 00:23:14 Speaker 2: Firemen, wildland firefighters, pretty tough dudes, real tough guys. 00:23:19 Speaker 1: That's true. I didn't even think they include that detail. Tough guys. 00:23:23 Speaker 3: That's why we're here. 00:23:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, even tough guys won't eat his nut jerky. If you promise not to poison it. I will eat your nut jerky on air. If you send it to I will. 00:23:39 Speaker 3: I came out. 00:23:41 Speaker 1: Is that really what you would do with it? If you had a bunch of poison? You know what I'm saying, there's a better ROI on that poison. That Yeah, Like you know the thing where kids are like that, they're gonna get drugs in trick or treat candy. Like picture, you're like a bad drug addict. I feel like you just hang on to the drug. 00:24:00 Speaker 6: Expensive If I wanted to poison you through the mail. I just send anthrax to the office like easier ways of like waiting until he says nut jerky. 00:24:11 Speaker 4: Because someone could back out of eating a jerky if you just touch the envelope, it's all over. 00:24:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I'm gonna eat his jerky, because I don't think it's gonna be poisoned. 00:24:20 Speaker 4: This brings up the Great American jerky contest. We ever going back to that thing. 00:24:24 Speaker 1: No, whatever happened to that. 00:24:26 Speaker 5: The suits said we can't do it because someone's going to poison us. 00:24:34 Speaker 1: When this guy, what's his name, the nut jerky Sam Samuel, listen, buddy, District forester, listen, you send me that nut jerky, I'm gonna eat it right here on there, and I'll tell you what I think about it. 00:24:46 Speaker 6: It looks good. 00:24:49 Speaker 1: At least doesn't look bad. Guy wrote in about this he was talking to his daughter's boyfriend the other day. That is a weird sentence. I have ag who's thirteen. Yanni has daughters right in that same bracket. Someday me and Yanni will be telling We'll be running around saying I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend the other day. M right before I beat the share out, I was telling him how I'm about to punch. 00:25:18 Speaker 6: Him, and somebody at some point in the distant past was saying that about you guys. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: Oh definitely. 00:25:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend one day, this Steve guy. 00:25:27 Speaker 3: He tells me, hopefully it'll go on like this when he says the kid nighteen loves waterfowl hunting. 00:25:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd be like, you picked a great little boyfriend their daughter. I told my dog to pick her boyfriend out for I was talking to my daughter's boyfriend the other day. This is the writer in Kid Loves waterfowl hunting. From the start of the season till the end he is hunting. Love this guy morehouse maybe maybe Oh he's too old for my daughter. So he starts telling me where all the ducks have been reported in the area. I had no idea where he was getting this info, so I asked. He tells me there is a handy app called eBird, which I have. This is just for listeners. This is from Cornell. Birds will report the birds in the area and track what birds they see on what body of body of water or in a field. He then uses that info to either set up on public water, or ask permission if it's private. This next line, Yes, this kid isn't very smart, but he nailed it with this one. 00:26:31 Speaker 3: I laughed out. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: Aloud on the plane when I read that. 00:26:34 Speaker 1: He Yeah, I've done this. Years ago. We were going to go to Nevada in the Ruby Mountains to try to hunt him Alayan snowcocks. And one day I realize that people report all the snowcocks they see on E bird and I was like, I can't believe these people are reporting it. Likewise, we were one time staying in a hut in New Zealand, hunting a public hut in New Zealand, and there's a journal. In the journal, guys like so weird we saw some shabby from the hut across the river, which we had no idea about and getting one of them. Okay, but I don't know if the waterfowl it changes so fast. I don't know how true that is. 00:27:18 Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, but this is up to date, up to date info. 00:27:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, but are enough people saying, hey, I just saw some I just you know, I just saw a big bunch of honkers out and old Lady McGinn's field, Like like Is it like quick enough that you'd get on it, dude? 00:27:33 Speaker 3: The burders are serious. 00:27:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's legit info. 00:27:37 Speaker 3: They're not just out there like going I like honkers. No, they're like writing and putting this information into their lists and their apps. 00:27:44 Speaker 1: And yeah, if you were if you had moved to a new area, if you were cold rolling, I don't know. I'm just a little skeptical. 00:27:52 Speaker 2: I'd be looking at Eber and I'd be looking for churches. 00:27:56 Speaker 6: That's what I be doing old cemeteries. 00:27:58 Speaker 5: I also think this nineteen year old found like a game within a game that he enjoys playing now, Like it's it's more fun for him to go kill ducks that he learned about via e bird from the next door lady who's uh an Earnest Burder. 00:28:13 Speaker 6: Oh, totally. If I ever killed a bear that someone had reported on all trails, that would be a highlight accomplishment. 00:28:19 Speaker 3: People do that. 00:28:19 Speaker 5: They talk about the bears they see, they talk about the elk they seeing. 00:28:24 Speaker 4: Is that you then checked back in on the app and like it. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: You can have it an up close picture of it. 00:28:32 Speaker 1: Bro, he's in the back now. If you'd like to report him again, beavers is fish as background here for listeners. I was talking about in the old days and the old fur trade era of the like they're in the colonial time. Uh, the Catholics will sometimes have a hard time accessing fish in the in like New World situations, and they want and and and at some point Randall was going to dig into this. At some point they got permission. They're like, hey, when we're trying to observe the lenten meal, we don't have access to fish, but we have aquatic rodents and they live in the water. And it was said like they were giving a special dispensation back in the old days that you'd be like, Okay, the church says, in the situation you're in, if you can't get fish, have an aquatic mammal. 00:29:21 Speaker 5: It's about two hundred and fifty years ago in Detroit where that happened. 00:29:25 Speaker 1: Job, where'd you find out? 00:29:28 Speaker 5: I wrote about it when we did the part in my plate episode for Muskrat. 00:29:32 Speaker 2: Oh? Perfect? 00:29:33 Speaker 1: Did I tell you about it? And that's why you wrote about it? 00:29:35 Speaker 2: No? No? 00:29:35 Speaker 1: Oh, come on, ems So this guy, how am I going to do this here? So there's a guy that writes in he doesn't want us to use his name or anything. He says, he does a lot of beaver trapping. Now he okay, he writes it, put my spectacles on here in January twenty nine, twenty twenty six. Well, I don't know when he wrote it. Shouldn't have brought it up. He writes to the suits at the church, what do you call him in this? In his denomination the padres the cloaks. He writes to his padre. No, he writes to the bishop the big suits. He's a Catholic. And he writes to his bishop saying, hey, man, I'm a big beaver trapper. Can I eat my beavers for the Lenten meal? His bishop? And this guy's got a stamp, the Roman Catholic Bishop of blank Okay. He writes him a special letter back saying, go on ahead, eat your beavers for your Lenten meal. And he ends his letter this this dispensation the letters January twenty nine, twenty twenty six. The letter says from his bishop. His bishop writes him this, although this practice is not customary within these within this diocese, the dispensation is granted with the understanding that the penitential character of the Fridays of Lent will continue to be faithfully observed through appropriate acts of prayer, self denial, and charity. This dispensation applies only to the consumption of muskrat and beaver, and does not otherwise dispense from the Church's discipline regarding Lenton observance. It is granted for the Fridays of Lent in the year twenty twenty six, and is not to be presumed beyond this scope or duration. 00:31:57 Speaker 4: Oh, it's interesting that it's stuck it to there's expiration date on it. Yeah, he has to ask again in twenty twenty seven. 00:32:04 Speaker 1: Really stuck to them in the end. 00:32:05 Speaker 2: That's a lot. 00:32:08 Speaker 1: That's great though. 00:32:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, for more background, it was the seventeen eighties. They were French Catholic missionaries. They had a few hard winters consecutively. It got to the point where they were starving and eating chopped hay, and that was when they made the determination that you can eat muskrats, which were plentyful where they were living in southern Michigan. 00:32:25 Speaker 1: Still, we also were they eat chopped hay. 00:32:27 Speaker 2: Because they had the mustards. 00:32:29 Speaker 5: Because it wasn't legally yet for them to. 00:32:31 Speaker 1: Oh, just on a certain day they had to resort to chopped hay. 00:32:35 Speaker 5: Yes, like that that was what got them to make it okay for them to eat muskrats. 00:32:40 Speaker 1: But are you following me? 00:32:42 Speaker 2: They didn't have any other food. 00:32:44 Speaker 1: I got it. But if you came up to let's say, like, have you ever fasted for twenty four hours? 00:32:49 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:32:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I have. It's not that big of a deal. I don't start eating chopped hay if I'm fasting for twenty. 00:32:57 Speaker 6: There was a large There was a broader issue I think with food supply. 00:33:01 Speaker 2: You said it was a tough winner, right, Yeah, I know they were struggling. 00:33:05 Speaker 1: How many days during Lent? I smell fresh parrot boots? For someone during Lent? How many days do you have to only fish? I thought it was only Fridays during the lent period. 00:33:18 Speaker 6: The problem is not that they just can't get fish, it's that they're starving. 00:33:22 Speaker 1: More generally, they were probably the muskrats any day they wanted, except for the Fridays during Lent. 00:33:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 00:33:30 Speaker 1: Sounds like someone needs to do a little fact check in did please do I met you? 00:33:36 Speaker 3: You know. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: I'm going to win the boots. 00:33:39 Speaker 5: I'm going to start making things that I can correct m and then I'll write in the correction that's gonna do and win the boots. 00:33:49 Speaker 1: We probably hook you up with a boot. 00:33:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll need to vote for me. 00:33:51 Speaker 4: Just get a po box and win the boots and then put them in the auction house. 00:33:55 Speaker 1: Audio Okay, everybody, joined now by Olympic gold medalist Hunter Hellibuck, who was the goalie during the Olympic gold medal game there against the damn Canadians who must have blocked Like, I don't know, I heard something crazy. You could probably tell us like there's like forty two shots or something all of a sudden and and you didn't get the You didn't You of course didn't get the winning goal, but you carried the game man. 00:34:26 Speaker 8: Thanks. 00:34:26 Speaker 9: Yeah, I did help on that goal though, I gotten assist. 00:34:30 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:34:31 Speaker 8: Actually, you're pretty rare for a goalie to get that. 00:34:34 Speaker 6: That's amazing. 00:34:35 Speaker 1: I want to tell you. I want to first admit something to you. It's it's a running joke in my family. It's a running joke among my friends that I'm the dumbest guy in the world about sports. But I have You could ask my kids this. I periodically make my kids watch the nineteen eighties, like miracle on ice incident, and I teach it to them as sort of a moment, a defining moment in American history. So because of that, like I like, Olympic hockey matters to me. And I happened to be traveled on your Guys Day, on your Big wind Day. I was traveling with our colleague Max Barta, who is like all in way in on hockey, and so I got to live the game next to him. We wound up in the we were traveling, so he wound up in the delta lounge, and tension in the Delta lounge was high. When you guys won, people erupted in the Delta lounge, I mean went nuts in the Delta lounge. Max is running around in his jersey, his jersey that was the goalie when we beat the Soviets. That dude's name is on the back of his jersey. In the airport, guys are coming up to hug Max, high fiving him. It was like the funnest sort of thing that like just to be by Max and through all that, and we watched it and it was like, honest to God, like it was like at that moment the Delta Lounge. It was like emotional, dude, and it was amazing to watch. And I and I said, and then my buddy Tommy Edson, who I like a lot, text me like in the minutes after and he's like, this guy has a large mouthed bass on his helmet. He's like, you need to talk to this guy. And so here we are. 00:36:35 Speaker 8: Yeah. I think. 00:36:38 Speaker 9: We didn't really feel how much it brought the country together until we stepped foot back in America and then it was just it was insane. Everywhere we went, every place you let one little USA channel and this the whole place. It was so much fun. I mean, the last the immediate seventy two hours after we were I mean I can count the hours of sleep. 00:37:02 Speaker 8: On one hand. 00:37:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:37:05 Speaker 9: The just the feel from the people around was just incredible. I mean, we were supposed to live in New York and we ended up switching to my to Miami within I don't know, four hours before the flight, and it took that four hours for everyone to know exactly what we're doing the entire day, inner ray before we had our tenterary. So that was pretty cool. And I think the best thing I could have done is throw a basket in my mask. I mean, I put a fish on every single mask, but I like to try to keep it with basket because I love bass fishing, but I mix in trout while I like must be you know, the change up. I've had a lot of masks over the years, but putting the mask on there is just absolutely blowing up my biggest passion of bass fishing. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: That's great. So I got a friend that plays Major League Baseball, and man, that is not a fishing friendly. That is not a fishing friendly enterprise. What is your like, what's your offseason look like? 00:38:03 Speaker 10: Like? 00:38:03 Speaker 1: When do you guys like really free to fish? 00:38:07 Speaker 9: So our last regular season game is roughly April eighteenth, so mid April. If you make playoffs and go on for another two months to the end of the final so mid June. But that's only two teams. For the most part, the fishing season is mid April to say mid September, and fishing season kind of ends end to August. But if you don't make playoffs, you up mid April all the way to mid September. 00:38:34 Speaker 1: I've asked my buddy in baseball this because for him, it's whether season's gonna end and what kind of hunting he's going to be able to do in October or not. Yeah, And I this I'll talk about a guy named Pete Alonzo, And I asked him, do you ever hope you don't make playoffs so you can hunt more? And he said that is not a hope. 00:38:55 Speaker 8: Yeah, Well you know I have it. 00:38:57 Speaker 9: I have it set up pretty good where I mean, we play a lot of the Southern teams, and I have a little travel rod and a little backpack with so gear in and any chance I get post practice or given off day, I just go the backpack on and go find a spot like that. Yeah, I go off the bank or get a guide if I have a full day off. If not, I'll just I'll just hike around and walk around the lake and try to catch a fish here and there. But Winnipeg's pretty good for fishing and hunting. I got we have all of October. I will we'll start in September. The geese hutting up here. The bird hunting is incredible. They're coming because they come in by the thousands, like you're I've limited out within forty five minutes with ten guys, which is crazy. But the deer hunting is shortly after that. So we go we go for fishing season, get here for the hockey season, and then we have hunting season, which starts with birds, then goes to bucks, and then the ice breeze is over, and then we have world class. 00:40:00 Speaker 8: Walleye ice fishing. I mean, it's just one thing after the next. It's really fun. 00:40:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, of all the places you've lived and considering where you grew up, what do you regard as like when you think of home water, you know, like the sort of a like for you, the emotional center of your fishing life is where like what's home water? 00:40:21 Speaker 8: So home home home water. 00:40:23 Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, like would you imagine yourself like on the like the place that means the most to you? What is that place? What body water? 00:40:32 Speaker 9: So, I mean all that we have in Michigan a ton of small lakes, especially in Oakland County. That's where I grew up and that's where I still live in the summer. So I would say any of those lakes I know in like the back of my hand, but from like a more broad spectrum, I would consider Lake Saint Clair my homeowner. God on the smaller lakes, but I'm also pretty good on the big lake too. And the big lake is if someone's coming into go fishing, you take them at a big lake. 00:41:01 Speaker 1: So if you had to go small mouth bass, large mouth bass, where you at on. 00:41:05 Speaker 9: That small mouth bass, You're going straight to Lake Saint Clair. Okay you can catch I mean you can catch six pounders in there, but for the most part you're catching twenty and twenty pound five pound bags. But's that's your five bass limit? 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm What I meant was, if you had to pick between small mouths in large mouths, like you're a large mouth guy, would you. 00:41:25 Speaker 9: Say yeah, uh no, I'd say I'm probably a small mouth guy. 00:41:29 Speaker 8: But you know, it's crazy. 00:41:30 Speaker 9: You asked someone that's been fishing small mouth for ten years and like, oh, I want to go catch large mouth right now, and then vice versa. You ask the large mouth guys, Hey, what do you want to go catch it? 00:41:39 Speaker 10: Oh? 00:41:39 Speaker 8: I'd love to catch a small mouth. 00:41:40 Speaker 9: So you know, for me, I think I can do both, but I think small mouth just based on the side and the quantity that we have them in Michigan, I have a small mouth guy. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:41:51 Speaker 1: Then I got a personal question for you. If you had to take a stab. How many large mouth bass have you fried and eaten in your life? 00:42:02 Speaker 8: I have eaten one. When I was a kid. 00:42:05 Speaker 9: We didn't know we didn't know that it's a sport fish, and we wanted to try it when we were younger, and my parents made it. The second we got a little more into fishing, we realized, oh, you don't really eat these are for the sport. So it's very much frowned upon it in my life and my world too. 00:42:25 Speaker 8: Really. 00:42:26 Speaker 1: Yes, I got a buddy who was a He was an amateur pro. Like what that's a contradiction? Amateur pro bass? Is that the right way you put it? Either way? He's an amateur competitive bass angler. And I was fishing with him, and I learned that this guy, his whole life has been doing this. He had never eaten. 00:42:48 Speaker 2: A bass. 00:42:50 Speaker 3: You're talking about. 00:42:50 Speaker 1: Man, I made him eat one. 00:42:55 Speaker 3: No, you actually made me make him eat one. 00:42:58 Speaker 8: Oh sorry, I mean they're okay. 00:43:03 Speaker 9: But if you can just go in that same body of water and catch walleye like walley' is gonna taste way better. 00:43:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, understand, plenty of walleye. So right now, what h right now? Tell me where you're at right now and with your season and everything, what will be the next like what fishing trip? What's your next fishing trip you got planned? Like, what will be the next outing you do? 00:43:25 Speaker 3: Well? 00:43:25 Speaker 8: I'm debating right now. 00:43:27 Speaker 9: We're right now, we're fighting for a playoff spot, and the schedules just insane. After the Olympics, it's every other day, so fighting time is pretty difficult. But we're debating on our next off day, trying to sneak out go ice fishing or if that doesn't work out, April first, I got an off day in Dallas. I'm trying to talk them into flying in early so I can take a guide out. But if that's not the case, I'll just have someone pick me up and we'll just go beat the bank with the traveler on. 00:43:55 Speaker 1: Okay, Man, I bet you you have some guys from Dallas listen to the show, probably hitting you up with fishing spots. 00:44:00 Speaker 9: Man, probably will, And let's keep those secrets all right. 00:44:09 Speaker 1: Connor, thanks so much for joining on, man, Thank you for the win. It really was like it was such a fun day, dude, and it was people were so happy and just seeing everybody in the airport and and uh seeing my buddy, Max so happy. Everybody felt good. I was in such a good mood. I got home. My kids thought something was wrong with me. I made him watched highlights from the nineteen eighties game, so I was like, this, will you'll help. You'll understand why your dad's so emotional that we just won another gold medal in hockey. So that's great, man, Thank thank you so much for joining to have a good fishing trip in Dallas. 00:44:43 Speaker 8: Buddy, Thanks, no problem, glad to be here. 00:44:46 Speaker 3: Thanks Connor, thank you, no problem, guys. 00:44:50 Speaker 1: Okay, how to our next story. Two California men charged. This is breaking news to California men charged for shattering a two hundred thousand dollars mammoth tusk at a museum. They were at the Ancient Ozark's Natural History Museum in Brandson, Missouri. There's a big mammoth skeleton with big tusks, two hundred pound tusks. One of these guys, apparently, and I understand, gets up on his buddy's shoulders because he wants to get a picture or something of him hanging from that tusk and shattered it. They're like, got arrested. When I say, I understand when I'm in a museum. All I can think about is touching everything and getting stuff out, getting stuff out? Who doesn't want it? 00:45:52 Speaker 3: Rand on me? 00:45:53 Speaker 1: And we're in a museum and they had a tepee you couldn't go into it. What did we talk about that we wanted to do? 00:45:57 Speaker 6: Oh like two hours after we'd left that museum, you're still talking about how you wanted to climb inside of the tepee just to see how it felt. 00:46:05 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I'm saying, when I'm at a museum, I'm like, sure like to get that out and have a look. I sure like to fiddle with that, right, I understand. But the difference between me and these gentlemen. 00:46:20 Speaker 3: They weren't fiddling with it. They were going to try to do a He. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: Was trying to hang from it. Todd as a Vedo and Brett Howard. 00:46:33 Speaker 2: What an embarrassing way to have embarrassing I mean, such a weird of judgment. Do you think they were drunk? 00:46:40 Speaker 6: Yeah? I was gonna say their faces look a little puffy here. 00:46:43 Speaker 1: That's just the look you get when you're arrested. Maybe because most people that are arrested are drunk. The relation what I'm saying, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to, like just if I'm saying I walk through museums. The main thing I'm thinking about is ways in which I wish I could have allowed to violate the museum's rule. 00:47:07 Speaker 6: Right, But then there's another party do it saying do you think if I did that there would be consequences? 00:47:13 Speaker 1: Yes, But I'm like, do I wish I could just have at it in the museum? Yes? 00:47:22 Speaker 3: So they broke a two hundred thousand dollars tusk. 00:47:25 Speaker 8: Yeah, what do you think. 00:47:26 Speaker 1: Trying to hang from it and shattered a two hundred pound mammoth tusk. It's a good question, though, Yanny, what was the question? Even? 00:47:36 Speaker 3: How much? What do you think the punishment should be? 00:47:40 Speaker 1: It's going to be reparations that they'll never be able to afford. Probably she'll just have to live the rest of his life knowing that he owes that museum a ton of money or something. 00:47:51 Speaker 4: I should have to like sweep up that museum for the rest of his life. 00:47:56 Speaker 1: Oh, you want to know something nuts, my brother Danny. They were not doing their work. He works in Alaska, he's a salmon biologist. They were out doing their work. I'm not gonna tell you kind of where he was. I don't actually know where he was. He says, way up there's a giant cutbank, and he said, hanging out of that cut bank is a big man with tusk. They didn't even touch it. 00:48:19 Speaker 2: Well he can't legally, not just. 00:48:21 Speaker 1: Him, you can't. Yeah, but I mean, how many guys would have been like, well, let's just go touch it. I don't know. I'm guessing they maybe gott I don't know. I know that he couldn't. It was federal land. And he said, the way it was positioned, you would have had to rig up. You'd have had to bush rig a ladder, it was so high up a cut bank. But he said just hanging out of the cut bank. 00:48:47 Speaker 2: So the proper steps would be, like you would have to contact the managing agency and inform them of this for them to collect it or do something. 00:48:57 Speaker 1: You're not under an obligation yet it. 00:48:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's rules about like fossils over I mean, Spencer probably knows this morning, there's rules about fossils over a certain size, I think. 00:49:05 Speaker 1: And I don't know what made Maybe he did, maybe he did report it, but he didn't touch it. And he wasn't allowed to touch it, and he said, need if you wanted to touch it would have been a real project because he said it was way up a cut bank. 00:49:16 Speaker 4: Next rainstorm, it might just disappear. 00:49:18 Speaker 1: No, sure it'll get cut. 00:49:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:49:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, all those ones people find in the riverbeds are obviously a road. Now Brody Long the Long overdue for sales band report from Brody. 00:49:30 Speaker 4: Yep, Colorado for a band. I'm sure a lot of people have heard about this, but I'll give like background then, like what's going on? What could happen in the future. They tried this thing in the city of Denver a few years ago, four or five years ago, I think it was to ban the sale of for products in the city of Denver, and then it went away and now it came back. So what the deal is. It's a proposed statewide rule to prohibit the commercial saile, barter or trade of wild animal or fur products in Colorado, the state of Colorado. So like typical species like fur, bear, species like beaver, fox, bobcat, martin, muskrat, stuff like that, but not beaver. Beaver's in there. 00:50:15 Speaker 1: Well when you get to the really dumb part. 00:50:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, Anyway, the proposal doesn't ban trapping or hunting, but you know, obviously it's going to undermine the economic viability of certain businesses in Colorado. You might be wondering who started this and how it happened. And it's weird because this isn't like the cat hunting thing that happened last year in Colorado, which was a ballot measure. Under Colorado, a lot citizens can petition the state wildlife rulemaking body to like just create or change regulations. So you could like go to the Wildlife Commission in Colorado and be like, I think I should be able to two meal deer bucks a year, and then they'd say yay or nay. You know, have a process that that would go through. This particular proposal was submitted bias citizen named Samantha Miller, who works for the Wildlife Adverasy advocacy group. 00:51:20 Speaker 6: That's a good good way to describe. 00:51:22 Speaker 4: It, I guess Center for Biological Diversity, which we talked about last week. It's one of those groups that gives themselves a serious name, you know, but they're actually like an animal rights activist group. 00:51:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're the worst, well not the worst, but among them. 00:51:38 Speaker 4: And Samantha Miller was also the person who was largely in charge of the cats Aren't Trophies thing that went didn't go through in Colorado last year. So we already talked about like restrict all commercial fur sales, like how it reached the commission, and like this is almost a story of like a rogue Wildlife Commission as much as anything else, because on March fourth, so a little over a week ago, Colorado Parks and Wildlife voted. The Commission voted six to four to advance a citizen position that would ban the commercial sale of wild animal for Apparently this this like process was very chaotic, a lot of people didn't really know what they were voting on. It seems like there's a lot of confusion and anger and discuss Like in the meeting, there are several hundred people there from the public, hunters, anglers, trappers that opposed this measure. Uh cpw's new director, she like came out and said, we do not believe that this is a good thing to do. There's no biological justify justification for doing so. 00:53:00 Speaker 2: And that was said before the meeting. 00:53:04 Speaker 1: As they pointed out, there's no there is no population level impact. 00:53:07 Speaker 4: For so after hours of public comment and debate, they the commission votes six to four to go forward with it. If you want to look up the names of those commissioners, you can. They're they're tied closely to They're appointed by Governor Polus. They're they're tied closely to Polus is tied closely to some animal rights measures. Uh, these people are as well, and they kind of just did their own thing, which is which is sad. So if this thing goes through, the impacts to businesses like a big one would be the fly fishing, like retail business, fly tying. Like you walk into a fly shop, you'll see an entire wall of fly tying materials and a lot of those have fur in them for hair from muskrats, beavers, rabbits, and. 00:53:58 Speaker 1: A lot of them carry the name of it. 00:54:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, some other stuff would be apparel, cowboy hats would. 00:54:05 Speaker 1: Be any But that's what's so stupid about this go ahead. What's so stupid about it is when you make when you make a cowboy hat, like a high quality beaver wolf felt cowboy hat, you take a beaver pelt, you throw away the leather, you throw away the guard hair and you take the underfur and compress it into felt. They're saying, well, that's okay because that's cowboy hats. But if you took a beaver pelt, you can sell that cowboy hat. You can throw away the leather, throw away the guard hairs make it unrecognizable. Cool, But should you take the beaver pelt and just sew it into a hat? Not cool? Exactly, that's illegal. And then there it is so as nine. 00:54:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that kind of gets to like supply chain issues. A lot of taxidermy projects would also be affected by this thing, so it's uh, it could packed a lot a lot of different areas. 00:55:02 Speaker 1: And they can't figure out how to write The problem now is they can't figure out how to write the rule. No, it's so chaotic and full of contradictions. 00:55:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, So like what happens next is bottom line is it's not lie yet. It's in the rule development. 00:55:17 Speaker 8: The vote. 00:55:17 Speaker 4: What it did was move it forward into the like rule development and public comment stage, So the Wildlife Commission has to have another vote before the band takes effect. So that's going to happen. Then Colorado Parks and Wildlife would have to like draft proposed rules, which they'd also have to debate on what the rules would actually be, if there'd be any exceptions in the rules, like they might carve out an exception for fly time materials or something like that. 00:55:50 Speaker 1: Well yeah, well yeah, they'll carve out exceptions. Yeah, so they want to be that there's all this stuff is cool to use fur for unless it's like visibly fur on a person's body, like you know what the the indigenous people that lived in Colorado traditionally war, that would be illegal. 00:56:12 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:56:12 Speaker 1: Now if you want to run around like a dude rancher and a cowboy hat, you're a okay. 00:56:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, buckskin pants, like probably not not god because you know why, because you threw the hair away, right, it wouldn't be a product. 00:56:24 Speaker 1: So it is then you can sell that. 00:56:26 Speaker 4: It's you know, it's just another another attempt to make our life more difficult. 00:56:32 Speaker 1: Dude, that guy like. 00:56:35 Speaker 8: That. 00:56:36 Speaker 1: It's not just Jared, like Jared Pole is turned out, it's not even just him. It's his husband, right, who's like a big animal, right exactly exactly. 00:56:44 Speaker 4: But these people are appointed by Polus. They've done they've gone kind of rogue on things before. This is another example of that. Hopefully when polus turns out, we'll get a new wildlife commission in there that is going to be friendlier to hunters and anglers and people like us. The timeline for this is next meeting is in May of twenty twenty six, so we'll no more in a couple months, and they'll have to vote and adopt, modify, or reject it, so we'll see what happened. 00:57:18 Speaker 3: What makes me mad is that think about what's not getting done. They could be getting done and it would be positive for wildlife. 00:57:26 Speaker 4: This is not serious work. 00:57:27 Speaker 3: Instead, they got to be dealing with this BS. 00:57:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, brody, Am I right that the public can show up for this next meeting? It's May fourth or fifth part I. 00:57:35 Speaker 4: Don't have the exact date, just as May twenty six in Grand Junction. So yeah, for any of those commissioned meetings, the public can always show up. 00:57:44 Speaker 1: Can I hate with another added little deal here? That's kind of like what makes us infuriating? Years ago, like many many years ago, back in the mid nineties, I think early nineties, late nineties, Colorado effectively like ban trapping on public lane. So you used to have like regulated trapp What they then did is like what do you do about all the guys that have depredation issues, and they have have like problem, beaver's problem, whatever. So they make the system by which a private landowner can go be like hey, I got a beaver problem. Then they're like, oh, okay, then it's no holds barred, no seasons, no equipment restrictions whatever. Okay, then you can go get them. Now they're saying, but you have to throw the hide in the trash because currently, if someone has a beaver issue and they bring in a trapper to do it, the trapper can take the product and sell it and it could be used for all manner of things, including cowboy hats. This is like no, no, no, you got to throw in the garbage. 00:58:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, you can't sell it. 00:58:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it's like that stuff like Mamber in Australia, they have all those like kangaroo depredation things, and then one day they go like, oh and also you got to leave it to rot. Yeah, if you get it, you got to leave it to rot. You can't touch it that and like. 00:59:02 Speaker 4: I'd love to say, this is just a bunch of bullshit and it's not going to go through. But man, these days you just don't know in Colorado, what could happen? 00:59:11 Speaker 1: How could that place of like well, I know how it happened. How could have state like of such? I mean like John Denver. 00:59:20 Speaker 4: Dude, yep, John Denver. Yeah, biggest elkcurred in the country. 00:59:25 Speaker 1: I know. Someone said like it was like the minute, the minute, more people lived in Fort Collins and Denver than it did the rest of the state. 00:59:35 Speaker 2: Boom, yep. 00:59:36 Speaker 1: Try like that's when you know, yeah, Rocket Mountain. 00:59:41 Speaker 4: So normally in my beloved state of Colorado, I'm all about it. 00:59:44 Speaker 1: But this, oh dude, listen, man, I love the place, love the place, love the people. This is not about that, just about you got to take your state back, dude. 00:59:52 Speaker 8: Yep. 00:59:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, good lord. 00:59:54 Speaker 4: So we'll check back in and may and see see what's going on with it. 00:59:59 Speaker 1: Maybe someday on the road, instead of crazy left wing people, we'll be bitching about crazy right wing people running Colorado and into the ground. 01:00:06 Speaker 3: I don't think so, like it would go the way of Utah right now. 01:00:11 Speaker 1: Just whatever, Yeah, like it'll be like all of a sudden, it's like, yeah, you get a state where it's just it's just it's just the seesaw, but I don't know if it'll ever swing. Yeah, it's the swing. The swing kills me. Yep. All right, Randall, good news for us. 01:00:28 Speaker 6: Been a good news. Actually this is a great news. Yeah. So, the the Commerce Department manages fisheries and federal waters three I guess it's some like three miles off shore or something like that, and they are poised to seed management authority to the states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida when it comes to red snapper. 01:00:54 Speaker 1: How did they lose? Is this in your report? How did they lose management? Well? 01:01:00 Speaker 6: I think, I mean, I think Commerce and like Noah, I've managed these historically since like Magnus Stevenson. Yeah, but and I think like the reauthorization of Magnus Stevenson put and I could be watching this, but I think it became like more rigid quotas and sort of season setting on harvest and red snapper, and so what's going to happen I guess under the federal system. The short version is that they're managing with like very broad strokes because they don't have the very detailed like recreational angler catch, I mean, so much of marine fisheries just comes down to data, and so they would these states would end up with a very short season, like only a day, two days, three days, something like that. 01:01:46 Speaker 4: Real small limits too. 01:01:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, And and so essentially the states want authority to manage it with more data. They're going to take some elements of like the federal management structure and some of the information that is good on that side, but supplement it with sort of like the equivalent of creole surveys. 01:02:06 Speaker 1: And a more fine tuned picture what's happened in the moment. 01:02:09 Speaker 6: Yeah, And the result of that is that we're gonna have we the hunting a fishing community. They're gonna have longer seasons. So like in Florida, I think they're talking about a thirty nine day season. The Carolinas are looking like at a sixty day season. 01:02:27 Speaker 4: Can I have a question, were the Feds like the Feds were managing like under the assumption that there wasn't a lot of them and we shouldn't be taking a lot of them in the states are like, there's actually a lot more of these things than or is that not? 01:02:41 Speaker 11: No? 01:02:42 Speaker 6: I think it was more. I think it was more that they just I mean they didn't really know how many people were actually fishing for them, So like that's one of the changes. So the bigger context is that this has already happened in the Gulf, and so the South Atlantic states are sort of gonna move to what's happening in the Golf and that's been very successful. And part of the reason for that is that they're they're keeping track of who's actually fishing for snapper. So they're they're I don't know if you'd call it a permit, but like endorsements for snapper fishing. So they know, Okay, all these guys that are buying saltwater licenses, this chunk of them are fishing for speckled trout, and they're targeting inshore species, and only this sliver of them is are targeting red snapper and grouper and things like that. So so essentially, with more refined data, they have a better sense of what the pressure on the resources, and they you know, in some states, I think Louisiana, like they some of them do weekly email updates and phone calls to people with the snapper endorsement. Some states, I think Alabama, Mississippi, like they actually know how many are being caught because there's only a certain number of boat launches that people will go out of fish snappers. So it's it's taking like the big, unwieldy federal Marine Fisheries apparatus and handing it to the state so that the states can get better data and make better decisions for the resource and for anglers. 01:04:14 Speaker 1: Because you're an anecdote, please, I've fished a number of years recently, a number of years in a row spearfishing for red snapper in Louisiana, and what's been surprising to me down there is like that adaptive management strategy, how fluid it is. Meaning when I was a kid growing up, like a Michigan you could spend your entire lifetime fishing under a management structure being that you know, whatever the season starts this day, it ends this day. The bag limit is this many, the minimum weight, the minimum length is this, and decades go by right and it's just how it is right right fish in Louisiana, it's like constantly being adjusted as the red snapper season and like Kobia too be like there's like a vessel, there's a changing vessel limit, there's changing opening day and closing day, there's changing closed days as you realize that they're looking at these data sets and they're like opening closing, opening closing and playing it like a like an instrument. 01:05:25 Speaker 4: That Washington too. Isn't it for a lot of stuff? 01:05:28 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it could. I'm not saying it's not. It could be. That was an example of stuff to me, like, man, this is not like this is like very up to date, like what's going on? And how are we like manipulating harvest? And I'm sure there's a hundred. 01:05:40 Speaker 6: Similar to what they do with salmon like in Alaska, you know, like that they have data and they're tracking pressure on the resource. But yeah, the like the federal system is based on long term trends and an absence of real like fine data, and so by giving it to the states, like they're going to be intercepting people at boat launches and like keeping track of how many days this week did you fish? How many fish did you get? 01:06:04 Speaker 2: And so. 01:06:06 Speaker 6: I think everybody thinks it's a win win. There's probably some objections from the like ocean conservancy crowd who would rather see like more like tightly regulated marine fishery. Yeah, and like they just don't really want like an open access fishery. I mean that's sort of the general speaking very generally, that's sort of what that crowd would like. 01:06:33 Speaker 1: But well, it's it's the states. It's like, it's the states to pull it off or not. Yeah, I mean, you know, if they run, if they if they screw it up and they get too aggressive on harvest and they run them into the ground, right, there's very low incentive to do that because once you do that, you're gonna wind up right back where you started. Yeah. 01:06:55 Speaker 6: And I mean, based on what I was told, I I talked to former colleague at t RCP this morning to just explain this all to me. Oh, man Randall doing Actually, Oh he's a good guy. 01:07:07 Speaker 3: I just like it. 01:07:08 Speaker 6: I like to going on the phone with him. Yeah, Chris mclusso good guy. And he was saying, like, man, what's happening in the Gulf is great. It's great, and it's going to be a huge win for these states if this goes through. And I think most of the evidence points in the right direction here, So Florida, I think if this goes through, Florida would open Memorial Day weekend and they would have like a thirty nine day season and then maybe after that some weekends here and there. So Semac was telling me that with a one or two day season, if the weather's not right, you know, people kind of want to go out there anyway. And this way anglers can pick their days and it sort of distributes the pressure more widely. 01:07:52 Speaker 1: And yeah, just a bit of. 01:07:56 Speaker 6: Bright news in the landscape of Colorado for a band and all this other junk. 01:08:01 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing. 01:08:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, Spencer, I'm gonna circle back to the muskrat thing first. This is from the Roman Catholic Church. The Lenten season has been observed from the onset of the church, although there have been inconsistencies with duration and practices. It goes on to talk about how different churches at different eras had different rules and sometimes they had a fasting where you lived like a vegan. Sometimes they had a version where you could have a snack after three pm. Sometimes they had only Sundays or when you could eat meat. So whatever was going on with this Detroit parish that had resorted to eat and hey, you'd imagine that their rules were that you couldn't eat meat for a certain amount of time, obviously a long period, but you could eat fish so that's how that comes into play for them. 01:08:52 Speaker 2: I'm sure we already got ten correction emails. 01:08:55 Speaker 1: Well you know what, I'm going to hit rand with and get me set of them boots. He said, hunters and ag will see longer seasons. 01:09:04 Speaker 6: Did I say that or did I say we meeting the hunting and angling community? 01:09:09 Speaker 4: Maybe you said are anglers? 01:09:13 Speaker 5: Randall can correct your correction. I've got news from the Hawkeye say listen up, Iwegians. The Iowa DNAR needs your help. They are seeking volunteers right now who will go listen for frog and toad calls this spring and summer. This is a survey they've been doing since nineteen ninety one. Basically, what happens is volunteers drive around at night and they listen for amphibian vocalizations in your wet areas. They then submit their findings via email to the DNR, and they ask that each volunteer spends about eight hours in total between April and July listening for frog and toad calls. These surveys take place in rural and urban areas, so don't think that if you live in Des Moines, Sioux City, that you're of no help. That they would love you to volunteer. In twenty twenty five, volunteers surveyed nine hundred different wetlands. The d n R said that they were thrilled with everyone's participation, but that there are three counties in twenty twenty six that are most in need of volunteers. These three counties have not had a frog or toad or toad survey in years. Those are Ida, Henry, and Right. So if you're in Ida, Henry or Wright County, you're exactly who they want. 01:10:21 Speaker 1: Load up the kids. Your country needs you. Yeah, they need an e bird app for amphibians. 01:10:27 Speaker 5: I imagine that has to like be something they could make tomorrow. 01:10:31 Speaker 1: I fogged them about that when I was at Cornell meeting with the people that developed the developed Merlin. I was like, you put all kinds of stuff in there. 01:10:42 Speaker 4: Nice thing about this. You could go do some night fishing wire. 01:10:45 Speaker 5: I mean I would something I would say as a joke, but I mean it very earnest this time. This would be a great date night. It would get a bottle kind drive response. 01:10:56 Speaker 1: To hey, baby, I'll think we go down to that big old swamp bottle. 01:11:00 Speaker 4: The bullfrogs, Well, it's the bullfrog jugger rum jugger. 01:11:04 Speaker 2: It's a great it's a great filter for your potential girlfriend or whatever, if she's willing to do that, all right, skilled to have. 01:11:13 Speaker 5: To just be able to you know, that's a good life skill that anybody could benefit from me. 01:11:17 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a first date. Yeah, maybe a blind date and be a good blind date. But if you were dating like someone you kind of knew, yeah, I don't know. From the coffee shop, I could see that, yeah, but a blind date. 01:11:34 Speaker 6: From that to the frog survey, I know, because. 01:11:37 Speaker 1: She'd be like, no, no, no, no, here's what happens, man, We're gonna go way out in that swamp and listen. 01:11:47 Speaker 5: Eventually this would become a youth No one's gonna go We're. 01:11:51 Speaker 2: Gonna go survey frogs tonight. Yeah. 01:11:53 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. If my like boy said he was going out to survey frogs, no you're not. That's like the hillbilly version. 01:12:04 Speaker 5: Now there are sixteen different frogs and toads you'll be listening for. If you're in Iowa. To learn how to identify these calls, you attend a virtual or in person workshop. Every workshop is currently full besides the last one that takes place on April thirteenth in Okeboji sixteen. 01:12:22 Speaker 1: I would not have guessed that sixteen as many. 01:12:25 Speaker 5: Why it's relevant, a recent USGS study predicts that in twenty years, amphibians will be gone from half of the places where they currently live. So this is a cool opportunity to do some citizen science help Iowa gather data on amphibians, which are really sensitive to habitat loss invasive species pollution. But I want to test you guys now, I want to see how well you can do without any training at all. I'm going to tell you I'm going to play around three of the most common frog and toad calls, not only in Iowa but in North America. You guys are going to guess what they are. So Phil play the first one for us. 01:13:03 Speaker 6: That's a frog. 01:13:04 Speaker 1: Got it. 01:13:07 Speaker 4: Spring people? 01:13:08 Speaker 5: If you know, I'll tell you there's a spring peeper in the background. 01:13:12 Speaker 2: But that's not the foreward call. That there he is. 01:13:18 Speaker 5: There are spring peepers. Like I said, that's not the foreward I don't. 01:13:22 Speaker 1: Know that guy. A green frog, yeah, green frog like a banjo frog. 01:13:27 Speaker 6: No is it a toad? 01:13:29 Speaker 3: It is? 01:13:30 Speaker 2: It's an American toe got it. That was an American toe. 01:13:34 Speaker 5: Here's how their call is described, high pitched trill that lasts about fifteen seconds. 01:13:39 Speaker 2: Sounds like a sharp, elongated. 01:13:41 Speaker 5: Cry picture sometimes described as sounding like the bleat of a sheet. Now we're going to play it again and you can watch it. Make the call this time so you can see the American toad. Crep Spencer's on it. 01:13:54 Speaker 1: Oh, I remember of those things. I think I've stepped on those in my mon the spring when it would rain. 01:14:02 Speaker 6: His throat looks like the nut jerky that that guy makes. 01:14:04 Speaker 1: It looks a lot like that. 01:14:08 Speaker 2: So that is the American. 01:14:09 Speaker 3: That's one of those animals. Like when you hear the sound and you see the animal, you don't put the two to you. 01:14:14 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 01:14:15 Speaker 1: Let's go on number two, number two, play Phil my old buddy. 01:14:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, like to eat him. 01:14:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find some good giggin spots taking this project too. 01:14:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, that that is a an American bullfrog. That Their call is described as a deep and loud call, a sequence that sounds like it's saying juggle rum, juggle rum. 01:14:39 Speaker 1: Because you didn't get him, really kick an ass on that little clip you had. 01:14:42 Speaker 5: It resembles the moo of cattle, which is why they're called bullfrogs. Show us the clip again, Phil, Oh. 01:14:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, old mister yellow throat, the man with the yellow throat. Cool. 01:14:59 Speaker 4: They used to catch the things go a fly. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: Yep, that's a that's a low yield animal, right there. 01:15:05 Speaker 2: Man. All right, you guys got one out of two. Let's see how you do it number three. 01:15:09 Speaker 1: I think I'm about done. Unfortunately, play it out of me. 01:15:21 Speaker 2: Grand frog not a green frog, tree frog, no, let It is a left. 01:15:28 Speaker 5: Specifically specifically, that's a northern leopard frog. Their call is described as a deep, rattling snore that lasts two to three seconds, followed by a chuckling sound like a heavy creaking door slowly opening opening. Also sounds like two balloons being rubbed together. 01:15:52 Speaker 2: Again, Phil, play it again, Phil, Man, I should have got these right, because my son, sorry, Dan Markt say you can talk now. 01:16:09 Speaker 6: I think we got it. 01:16:12 Speaker 2: My son's preschool had a frog night where they would take you out and we would review the sounds of all the frogs and then peruse this nature reserve that the school was on and try to identify and find the frogs. 01:16:23 Speaker 1: By something and cook them up. We didn't do that far. 01:16:27 Speaker 5: For more information, go to Iowa d n R dot gov or just google the Iowa Frog and Toad Survey. 01:16:33 Speaker 1: Hit me with the counties again where they need your help? 01:16:35 Speaker 2: Ada, Henry and right, Henry and Wright, Hey. 01:16:39 Speaker 1: Grab your gigs. 01:16:40 Speaker 5: This this story is extra close to home for me because I own a frog and I, in an attempt to sex it, I played vocalizations in my house to see if it would call back. Because for frogs and toads, the vast vast majority of calling that you hear is done by males. Females usually don't participate, and so I have sexed my frog as a female because it's never participated in my calling sequences. 01:17:04 Speaker 4: Didn't you end up with that thing? Like by mistake? 01:17:07 Speaker 2: Yes? 01:17:08 Speaker 5: My wife this was two februaries ago, February twenty twenty four, bought a rubber tree at Low's that she brought home. She was replanting it in our garage and out of the root came this frog that was like, I'm not kidding you. This big at the time, and so she called me panicked. I think I was at the office here and she said, what do I do? I'm like, well, I could I could take care of it, or we could keep it. Oh, and she elected to keep it. And I've been a very good frog dad ever since. 01:17:34 Speaker 8: I couldn't take. 01:17:35 Speaker 1: Care of it. 01:17:38 Speaker 4: Have you figured out if it's an illegal species to have it is? 01:17:41 Speaker 10: Uh? 01:17:42 Speaker 5: It is a Pacific chorus frog. Here's here is how I've determined that this frog came into our possession with no evidence at all. 01:17:50 Speaker 2: Uh. 01:17:50 Speaker 5: It's a Pacific chorus frog, also known as a Pacific tree frog. Their range stretches from like south Alaska to northern California, but sort of the core of it even a little bit, a little bit and very new with west Montana. 01:18:01 Speaker 10: Uh. 01:18:01 Speaker 2: The core of their range is organ. 01:18:03 Speaker 5: Organ is the number one producer of Christmas trees in the country. Lows sells a lot of Christmas trees. I think this frog came in on a Christmas tree, bailed from that Christmas tree, crawled into the rubber tree that my wife bought two months later, and that's how it got. 01:18:19 Speaker 1: Man, if we get that song bitch on the podcast, it's a happy little frog. 01:18:25 Speaker 2: Phil's got a video of it. 01:18:26 Speaker 5: This is my my Pacific chorus frog that lives in my living room. Now we can hear another podcast. 01:18:33 Speaker 2: You're listening to something name is sprout. It's it's a female. 01:18:38 Speaker 4: Back in the old days, try to catch a large mouth. 01:18:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, great segment, steel fingers, very quickly. 01:18:44 Speaker 3: Unbelievably good segment there. 01:18:48 Speaker 1: It was fun. 01:18:49 Speaker 6: This is the second episode in a row where the segment after me has received high praise. 01:18:56 Speaker 3: It's not us, it's you. 01:18:58 Speaker 8: I just want to point that out. 01:18:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. 01:19:00 Speaker 6: Once it goes around the horn and everybody's got in praise except for me, that's when I'll take it to heart. 01:19:06 Speaker 3: I'm reporting on a thing called seal finger. The State of Alaska Section of Epidemiology defines it as a finger infection associated with bites, cuts, or scratches contaminated by the mouths, blood, or blubber of certain marine mammals. The reason we're talking about it is because last fall a young man that was skinning an Alaska brown bear contracted it. Okay, not something new. It's been around for a long time, but I think it's been misdiagnosed. They didn't know a lot about it until just over like the last ten to fifteen years. Back in the day, seal hunters, coastal fishmen everybody was extremely scared of it because the way to get rid of seal finger. 01:19:57 Speaker 1: What really, Yeah, like it's coming for you. 01:20:00 Speaker 3: It's coming for you. Like you're just gonna end up, like it's gonna be stiff and plump for a while and eventually they're gonna say cut it off. 01:20:06 Speaker 1: It's gonna spread. It's like, dang, green man, that does not look good. 01:20:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's right, here we go. We got some pictures of it. 01:20:12 Speaker 10: You know. 01:20:12 Speaker 4: What I keep thinking about is when we were at your shack last year and Heather brought them yep, like man handle those. 01:20:19 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. It's problematic because it's when you first get it. It just this is I think these are case. The pictures are showing cases that have gone on for a while and become more extreme versions of the symptoms. Because in the beginning, it's going to be a scratch that has some inflammation basically, right, or a cut with some inflammation, and so you go to the doctor and they're like, Okay, here's some antibiotics, topical or whatever. Everything that I read about people that got messed up about it was just this that they would leave and then ten days later be like, oh my God, the young man that got it from the bear, he actually came back. I can't remember it was two weeks or he had a bunch of trips to the hospital, but at one point has like a fever and like an increased heart rate from it. It can basically get in your bones and start like like making like this, like very rapid arthritis come about. So the anibi that does antibiotic that does do it is docs the cycling. So the most common people that actually get it now are people that like scuba divers, people that work in zoos that mess with marine animals. They could get bitten or whatever. And if that happens, say at a zoo, I forget what do it was, but they basically said if you get bit there, you get handed a letter. So when you go to the hospital they know how to deal with it and be like don't give them the regular antibiotics because they ain't gonna do nothing. Like you need to make sure you're giving these antibiotics. 01:21:54 Speaker 1: Thing, I got my wallet. 01:21:57 Speaker 4: I got a question for you, honest after see, this is important question. 01:22:01 Speaker 3: It's like a magic check or what. 01:22:03 Speaker 1: Man, it's like this card. Oh, you keep it your wallet by your ID they gave it to me at a at They gave it to me at the at Coronel and it says like, hey, heads up, man, this guy's into all kinds of weird stuff. 01:22:16 Speaker 2: Oh, you're like a high risk individual. 01:22:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, Wow, it's like if you if you fiddle around hunting stuff all time or whatever, or doing like what you're talking about. It says, take note check him for all the weird stuff. 01:22:29 Speaker 3: Well, you probably have. 01:22:31 Speaker 1: How do we get our hands on that? 01:22:32 Speaker 3: You probably have instances where had you had this card previously, it would have helped. 01:22:36 Speaker 1: Right, I've had to go in and tell a guy I had a thing and he had never heard of it, and he wrote it down and left the room for a while. 01:22:43 Speaker 4: You're honest. The bear Do they think that it's always been in bears or bears pick it up for meat and rotten seals the ladder? 01:22:51 Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh, it from a coastal. 01:22:54 Speaker 3: Brown bears scavenging. You know, hard to say exactly. The hunter did say that his knife had come in contact with the bear's mouth and teeth prior to him getting the cut, But again, I mean he skinned the entire animals, so it's hard to say exactly where what how. 01:23:13 Speaker 1: What's interesting about these kind of these dis ailment and things like tickborn in factions is the delay, right, it is long enough for oftentimes people will not put it together. 01:23:28 Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's a delay, you said, He says, could be ten days. Well, I think that you're getting symptoms immediate you do. Oh yeah, yeah for sure, like you're getting this pain and the swelling. But but it's going to start doing worse things as it goes. 01:23:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it could probably be mistaken for just like, oh, it's. 01:23:46 Speaker 3: Just that, yeah, exactly exactly, and then it gets problematic because it's been it's been misdiagnosed, or the wrong antibiotic has been given to it. Now, I called Heather Deville, who lives in a marine environment, talks to a lot of people that, you know, mess around with these animals. She herself, I think last year killed like one hundred and twenty five sea otters. She has not experienced, like, doesn't know anybody has no first or secondhand experience. And when she went around and asked a few people about it, they're like, never heard of it. OK, So it doesn't sound like it's very common. 01:24:25 Speaker 1: That's why you come here to get the relevant news. 01:24:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, State of Alaska recommends wearing nitil gloves and maybe even cut proof gloves if you're going to be, you know, dealing with you know, seals, sea lions, otters, that sort of thing. But yeah, because like you said, you'd mess around with a bunch of crazy stuff. There's chances that you could end up with some crazy, but it's not common. 01:24:52 Speaker 1: Great job, Yanni. 01:24:55 Speaker 4: Speaking of messing with stuff, are you okay if I read this to. 01:24:57 Speaker 1: The to the notes were low on time. 01:25:00 Speaker 2: Did you get it before after COVID that card after or before? 01:25:04 Speaker 1: I don't know. 01:25:05 Speaker 6: I think it'd be better if it's a punch card, like at a coffee shop. 01:25:08 Speaker 2: So when you get shit, they just said, that's pretty good. 01:25:12 Speaker 1: Okay. I was gonna do a big report on a record setting cat prices, but in the interesting time, I'm not going to. However, if you happen to be catching yourself near, you know, messing around on YouTube, I invite you to go watch our video called Steven Seth get rich off Bobcats. In there we go do a Bobcat sale. At that sale, we cover what we got for some cats and what my buddy mercer got from some cats, so we didn't mention in there is that the top cat at that auction went for twenty eight hundred dollars. Then the next auction a week later in Idaho, a cat went for drum roll please, Oh, I wasn't ready for this, thirty five noise again, thirty five hundred bucks. On to Mark Kenyon, all right, I've got two pieces of news. 01:26:00 Speaker 2: In the interest of time, I'll try to keep it pretty brief, but a little bit of controversy in the internet related to some comments from our Secretary of the Interior, Doug Bergham Eddie Blackrock Summit about infrastructure. 01:26:16 Speaker 1: He answered a. 01:26:17 Speaker 2: Question and insinuated in this response that those who are concerned about protecting our public lands and worried about resource extraction on them that they are not financially literate. 01:26:29 Speaker 1: Oh that's the problem. Yeah, So if I just read up more on economics, I would I would be much happier to see us run out of wild places and clean waters. Just that I'm dumb about the money exactly. 01:26:41 Speaker 2: That that's That's been a little bit unhappy about that one. But I think it's great that he brought this up because it gives us a very very good excuse to talk about the incredible financial implications of outdoor recreation and conservation of our public lands. A report just came out last week that showed that the outdoor recreation economy is now driving a record one point three trillion dollars of economic impact. One point three trillion dollars of economic impact. Much of that obviously depends on federal public lands. 01:27:17 Speaker 1: Did you see me get uncomfortable for mente? I did, But let me know when you hear me out, you want to know why. 01:27:21 Speaker 2: Yep, hear me out. Take it back to last fall. Another study came out that looked at what they can tie directly to federal public LANs, and that was one hundred and twenty eight billion dollars a year directly tied to outdoor recreation on federal public lands alone. That's three hundred and fifteen million dollars of economic impact a day from the ripple effects, the trickle out effect of outdoor recreation of all types. 01:27:49 Speaker 3: What is all these places? 01:27:50 Speaker 2: That's a great question. I'm not good at that in math. So if you look at that compared to the other research, the other ways that we make money, or that there's economic impact from republic lands. 01:28:00 Speaker 1: It's interesting. 01:28:01 Speaker 2: Obviously, resource extraction on our multiple use public lands is important. There's strong value there, like the secretary was speaking about. 01:28:09 Speaker 1: But if you look at the GDP. 01:28:10 Speaker 2: Contribution of outdoor recreation, two point four percent of the entire US GDP tied to outdoor recreation. That is more than double gas and oil. That's more than mining. Mining's contribution is one point five percent. Oil and gas azer point nine percent contribution to the entire GDP of the United States, So very very high. 01:28:35 Speaker 3: But if we drilled more on those public lands, we can make that number go up. 01:28:39 Speaker 1: That's why. That's why. Well, I don't like, I appreciate what you're saying. But if someone came to me and said, hey, I did some math, your kids are actually costing you money, yep, well, I would be like, well, get them sons of bitches out of here. It's like, some things are bigger than that. So I understand when people do it. But if you came to me and said, oh, you know, we ran the number public lands, clean air, clean water, all that stuff is costly, I'd be like cool, I don't care, yep. So it's like I get it, But I also, you know what I mean, I don't want to like engage. I don't I don't necessarily feel like engaging in the financial conversation of it, because if someone proved the opposite, it wouldn't change my opinion. So I feel like it's disingenuous to act like that's why I'm interested in wilderness. 01:29:27 Speaker 2: Well, I think the key is that you bring that is just one part of the conversation, like, hey, here's this, and then there's also what about the ecosystem services of those landscapes, like what they are providing that I should have found this, but there is some data they've been trying to actually quantify what the economic value is that clean air provides. Like if we had to filter the air the equivalent that our trees do, or if we had to clean water instead of you know, the forest filtering through that or whatever it might be, what would that cost us to replace that with technology? 01:29:58 Speaker 1: It's insane have. 01:30:00 Speaker 3: To be a part of the rebuttal to someone saying, right, you're financially it has to. 01:30:06 Speaker 4: Be that because those people aren't interested in the social value. 01:30:09 Speaker 1: I understand, I understand, I understand. I'm just sharing privately here. 01:30:14 Speaker 2: I'm with you. 01:30:14 Speaker 1: I'm I'm one hundred percent with you. I'm private, I'm sharing privately. 01:30:19 Speaker 2: Why that makes me nervous? So I hate to do this too, but we got to talk money one more time. 01:30:23 Speaker 1: Please. 01:30:24 Speaker 10: Uh. 01:30:25 Speaker 2: This is a little bit of and you can look at this as bad news like some of the other things we've talked about, or good depends on I guess if you're glass half full or half empty, guy. 01:30:34 Speaker 1: But there is a. 01:30:35 Speaker 2: Situation, a threat, slash opportunity in central North Carolina that is worth getting on people's radar. There is a reservoir on the Yatkin River. It's called the Tuckertown Reservoir, and on either side of that reservoir there has historically been a bunch of public land lands open to the public to hunt and fish. These have been privately owned lands by ELCOA, and they least to the North Carolina Fish and Wildlife Service to keep that open to the public. Recently, they've decided they can no longer do that. They are selling these lands, put them on the open market and going to be put them up for sales with right now. That's four thousand acres of historically open to the public hunting and fishing land that could potentially be sold off and be taken out of public access. 01:31:23 Speaker 1: That's the half empty part. That's the half empty part. 01:31:25 Speaker 2: The half full part is that there has been a really strong push by local Land Trust and a number of other partners now looking to try to build a campaign of interest not just in North Carolina but across the country to buy these lands and then donate them to the state to be public land officially and in perpetuity. And so starting to get some interest and some steam. You can go to trlt dot org or just just google Save Tuckertown. Tuckertown is the campaign kind of name around this. It's very interesting. I think it's a great opportunity here for the public to jump in and make a difference here. And I can tease for you that we Meat Eater and our partners on x are brainstorming and spitballing and working on a way to help out as well. So so stay tuned on that front. But I'm looking at this as a glass half full, because I think we can make a difference. 01:32:22 Speaker 3: I bet you there's a few turkeys. 01:32:24 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right here, there's turkeys. There's bass I hope there's no church right there, I mean, not real close. 01:32:31 Speaker 6: I've talked to these I've talked to this Reverse Land Trust before, and uh, it's just it sounds like a really great group and they have a huge hunting program, like a hunting access program through private landowners, and so yeah, like I'm glad that we're getting behind it because I know that they follow our stuff and they're working for hunters and anglers. 01:32:51 Speaker 2: Yeap. 01:32:51 Speaker 1: So it's a good one. 01:32:52 Speaker 2: We'll have more on that on our front here soon. But in the meantime, check it out, donate. 01:32:57 Speaker 1: It's good cause, ladies and gentlemen. Mark Kenyon, hell of segment, Sorry. 01:33:06 Speaker 8: I mean anymore? 01:33:08 Speaker 6: You know, I like that lost I've lost my fastball, guys. 01:33:12 Speaker 1: Fast thorough wonderful segment. You got any tips for Randall before we go go later in the show? 01:33:20 Speaker 8: I think. 01:33:23 Speaker 6: A little more polished too. 01:33:25 Speaker 1: I think I think it might be a sequencing thing. 01:33:27 Speaker 3: Did you like? 01:33:29 Speaker 2: Yeah? 01:33:30 Speaker 1: Great job. 01:33:32 Speaker 6: And the fur band too. 01:33:35 Speaker 2: Hm. 01:33:36 Speaker 1: I could have seen I could have used a little more passion. I got so lost, table beaten, little table beaten notes. 01:33:46 Speaker 6: I took notes on everybody else. So maybe next maybe next week. 01:33:50 Speaker 1: Randall has notes or like passion, yeah, table beating Go later, I mean I can't argue with any of that. Shake your fists, don't change anything. Just try going later once and. 01:34:03 Speaker 6: See if you get We just tuned the very people to figure out what the special sauces. 01:34:07 Speaker 1: Because if you go later and no one says anything, they were like, it wasn't that. 01:34:12 Speaker 6: I just can't wait for the angry d ms on Instagram this week. Tell me to just disappear. 01:34:17 Speaker 8: And I'll make sure you're you know what could do? 01:34:20 Speaker 1: Were you? Were you more assigned these or did you more bring me? 01:34:24 Speaker 2: He didn't pick his passion topic like I D jumped in with, Like. 01:34:28 Speaker 1: I want down see Spencer over here. 01:34:31 Speaker 3: You seem to come up with your own news. 01:34:32 Speaker 6: I've been distracted. 01:34:33 Speaker 2: I'm doing the herpetology department over here. 01:34:36 Speaker 6: That's beat Spencer's kind. 01:34:38 Speaker 1: He's bringing his own news. Yeah, I'm not reporting on stuff I didn't. I'm reporting on my own news. Maybe I'll do that stuff that catches my eye, or we just keep giving Randall duds if you don't. 01:34:50 Speaker 6: Like I thought Neanderthals was gonna be great. I thought that would kill you, know. 01:34:55 Speaker 3: I mean, especially when you had an AI image of yourself as the neanderd Yeah. 01:34:59 Speaker 1: Because if you I know, But it was too quick. I wasn't paying attention. If it was later when I started waking up, I. 01:35:06 Speaker 6: Need to aim for like the eleven forty five, twelve thirty taping it. 01:35:10 Speaker 3: We'll take Steve's blood levels and measure the peaks and valleys. 01:35:13 Speaker 1: It would be good, all right. 01:35:14 Speaker 3: Another reminder, check out Kimmy's book. I was Jimmy Werner flipping through it. There's there's a lot of uh also venison and red meat recipes in here. It's not only seafood, not that you said it was. 01:35:26 Speaker 1: I know, but yeah, I was. Yeah, okay, good job. 01:35:28 Speaker 3: But there's a lot of good stuff in here. I'm gonna someone to get one. 01:35:35 Speaker 2: Getting greedy. 01:35:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, once again, let me let me see the book. Let's just finish pick Let's finish pick on Kimmy's book once again. Kimmy's Kitchen, An Ocean Woman's Guide to Wild home Cooking by Kimmy Werner. Kimmy's Kitchen cookbook checker. 01:35:51 Speaker 8: Check her out. 01:35:53 Speaker 11: When you flew out into the sun set. 01:36:02 Speaker 10: I thought I would never stop screaming. I thought I would never stop screaming. 01:36:16 Speaker 11: Your name, but I ran out of breath, so I took in some more and I started screaming loud, streaming