00:00:02 Speaker 1: The bait thing is very contentious, even for me personally, Like when you watch this on television, it looks almost too easy. And I've watched YouTube videos of this and been like, is that really hunting? Is it easier than zan spot stock. But one of the cool things that you get from Beata Hut like this is you get to be very particular about the animal yawn. You don't have to make a judgment call on the size and the sex at three hundred yards or five hundred yards or even one hundred yards. Here you get to do it ten yards, twelve yards, and so it's much easier to pick out the mature male, not to shoot a soua with cobs. I don't know. It'll be interesting to put some dime in and just get a feel for all of it until I can relieve it having a banion about it. At this point, that's all new to me. 00:01:13 Speaker 2: What you just heard there were my ruminations from the first afternoon evening of my Manitoba bear hunt, where I'm sort of trying to figure out what in the world is going on. Welcome to twelve and twenty six podcast, I should say, welcome to the twelve and twenty six podcasts. This is the companion show to our twelve and twenty six hunting fish films rolling out this year. What are the fish films, Corey, I only know of twelve hunting films. 00:01:47 Speaker 3: Is there some fishing, well, we know there's some fishing in the behind the scenes on your Manitoba Bear Hunt, there is. I don't know if there's any front and center fish. 00:01:57 Speaker 2: Wrote this script, not me, Ah Corinne. Anyway, we're gonna do this for all of the twelve and twenty six episodes films things that are coming out this year, which if you haven't heard, we're doing hour long just hour long versions of what we always do. We we're gonna drop one a month, and alongside that we're just gonna have other things like articles and podcasts like this one, where the hosts of the show will answer your questions from the internet, whether it's YouTube or Instagram and then just sort of give you a little bit more background, a little more context to the things that we do. So if you're turning into the show right now and haven't seen by Manitoba Bear Hunt, go and watch that and then this podcast will make more sense to you. And do you know what the next one is Corey coming up in March. I guess the next twelve and twenty six, Well. 00:03:00 Speaker 3: It all has to do with our post production team getting it out on time. Uh huh, depending on which one. But I believe it stars Clay Newcombe. I think we're trying to balance out which location in which pursuit. He's got a couple of them this year he does. Yep, maybe some more bear hunting. Maybe maybe mister bear grease. That makes sense. 00:03:20 Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. All right. Today, I'm here with Corey, who you've already heard from, and Fill the engineer, to address your questions about my Manitoba black bear Hunt. And I want to thank you for writing in and giving us some questions so we can make this bonus content here. Corey and Corinne took a bunch of time to curate these questions. If there was you know, ten of the same question or ten versions of the same question, we definitely chose those. So we're trying to answer the uh, the most the most requested questions. Let's see up top, we'd like to ask the controversy, drama, and disagreement inspired by a baited bear hunt, and again you guys, all major voices clear on both sides of this issue. Let's see, should I tell should I say the names of who wrote it? 00:04:18 Speaker 1: All? 00:04:18 Speaker 2: Right? 00:04:18 Speaker 3: Give him a little shout out. 00:04:20 Speaker 2: Mark mc murphy nine to five oh seven rights. I'm sorry, guys, but this is not hunting. I should probably be careful about editorializing with my voice. Ha, Phil, Yeah, maybe it could be. It could be very easy to do that. 00:04:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe, I don't know if you want to say like, quote unquote anything like that. 00:04:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but because these are the anti uh bait you. 00:04:41 Speaker 4: Mean, editorializing with like the tone of your voice, yes, yeah, you don't want to sound like like Steve's. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: It is because these are these are the folks that are not now with the baiting. I'm sorry, guys, but this is not hunting. This is just killing. Even if there is a expletive to of bears in Manitoba in parentheses, heart my Canada, and if you're only taking mature bores, there is no stalking and no actual hunting. Is this right up there with animals cage then released for killing. I don't think so. But come on, guys, you're better than this. And I still love me eater at Christopher oh dash K two I says, if you can't hunt it fairly, don't hunt it all. Actually, this is not hunting, it's just killing the easy way. Disgusting. Here's at Moosey nineteen sixty one. I will never understand why any good hunter has to bait an animal in to kill. They are not real hunters. Get expletive out there and track and hunt now. On the flip side at struggle Bus operator kind of like that handle rights, it's population control. Anybody who wants a challenge in quotes can find one elsewhere. But baiting can be a part of wildlife management. At My French Bulldog and Me says incredible watch and representation of how ethical hunting doesn't end with legal bait and plenty of bears. Just a different look at hunting at powder Knit states I dislike the upity mentality that hunting is only big time spot in stock hunting at some random gamer some random gamer twelve sixty Thank you. I was going somewhere else with that, but uh, they write there's literally evidence in the animal world of other species using bait to hunt birds, using bait to attract fish into striking distance. For example, turtles with tongues literally shaped like a worm to lure fish into their mouths. And yet there's still some grown men who think hunting has to be difficult at the Little nineteen eighty two says, as a fisherman, I see nothing wrong with baiting your catch. Seems like gatekeeping to me, to shit on people who bait for hunt, who bait animals for hunting. So if somebody asks you, now, what do you think about bait and bears, what would your take be? Yanni that that's Corinne asking this question. Oh no, Corey, maybe you were supposed and I see your name highlight. I didn't want to interrupt you. 00:07:27 Speaker 3: You were rolling. 00:07:28 Speaker 2: That's all right, we'll get we'll get this dialed by the end of it. That's perfect. No, not before. But I've been thinking a lot about the whole baiting thing, especially since the episode came out and the comments came out. It's just, you know, I've had almost a year to be thinking about this, and there's a lot to say about it. Number One, I'll say this, I am still a very inexperienced like bait hunter. I only have those three days. Well that's not true. Like I said, I've done it. I think I've done two days over feeders in Texas for bear or for pigs and deer, So it's still very very small amount of experience. You're a big spot in stock guy or sitting in a tree standing. I mean, I do all kinds of hunting a lot, but I just don't have a lot of experience doing baited hunts. And I say that not as a way to get out of answering the question, but because I've often found myself because I what I get to do, and going to try different kinds of hunting all the time is a lot of times the first even second time of when you're on a hunt, it doesn't matter if it's guided or not. I'm a stranger to the landscape. I'm a stranger to the animal that if it's a new animal, then I'm hunting right. So I'm just I'm still like in the introductory stage, I'm still learning. I'm still building a real relationship both with the landscape and the animal. And so it happened to me in Latvia right where we went there to hunt, and I had this great stag kind of presented to me. But it was literally two hours into the first morning of the hunt, I'm kind of like just there being kind of casual, like a I don't know, this looks like it's pretty easy. I mean, we'd already seen like two other stags that morning, and I didn't feel the pressure of like, oh, you need to get this thing killed now because this is your opportunity, right, And so same thing with these bears with a baited hunt. I think going back and doing it a second and third time, I might actually be more excited to have more buck fever in the moment on the second or third time I kill a bear over bait that I did the first time, because again, you're just it's so new you I don't even know to be excited yet, right, because you're just kind of like, oh, this is easy. But as I saw in my hunt, it's like the sure boor he only showed up on day three, and maybe he wasn't gonna show up, right, So it's not again that's my experience, but I don't know we're gonna continue coming back to like probably what I think about baiting bears, there's a bunch of questions related to that. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. The thing that was caused me. The most sort of thought and sort of friction in my head has been, well, if that's okay, how come I'm not really okay with baiting deer. 00:10:41 Speaker 3: Hence a question we received via Instagram was that a question, Yeah, we shall have the same outlook on baiting bears as you would baiting whitetail. Yeah, and that one has I think the word is consternation. It's just giving me a lot of time to think to think about it because where we are in Wisconsin, you're not supposed to bait, but there's some baiting that goes on. Sure, and it definitely Steve has always said talking about bait that anytime the bait sort of changes the animal's natural movement patterns, he doesn't really like it. Well, obviously with these bears, it's changing where they are. It's concentrating them big time, right, and we talked about the reasons why to do it right. It's like it's all kind of there in that intro of that episode. It's like you get to see a lot of bears, you get to observe bears, and then you get to pick which bear you're gonna kill which spot and stock hunting, as you know, a lot of times it's like you're like, oh, I think it's a big bear. There's something black, Like I'm gonna shoot it and I'm gonna kill it. Oh yeah, spot in stock bear hunting. I mean, unless it's South cubs or if it's like obviously a small bear you're seeing, it's like pretty hard to pass up an opportunity of just seeing. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: Because you've been grinding. It's hard, right, Yeah, So I think that, and as you can see in the comments, a lot of people don't like it because it's too easy. And to that, I feel like I have a great answer. It's like if you're sitting in a blind on a food plot, not even a food plot. Let's just say it's a cornfield or any field where deer are gonna come out like an hour before dark, and then you're gonna shoot one. That's by no means any harder than what I did, right, Yeah, Like, you know they're coming to that food source. You've set up on that food source and an ambush location. So sure, maybe you didn't dump the corn out in the field a farmer gruid or whatever, but it's kind of basically the same thing, right, But. 00:12:54 Speaker 3: You did a fantastic job in this episode Manitoba Black beart setting the scene as to what goes into the bait and how much work that entails. You know, I'm and money, a lot of energy. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. But I'm just saying like, it's I think that people see it and they're just like, oh, it's too easy. You're just there and you shoot it. And as the hunter on a guided hunt, yeah we went and I helped Craig do a little bit, but yeah, I'm not putting in the effort that he is right to get the bears to be coming to that bait. So that feeling that you get from a hard earned opportunity, whether it's hiking the mountains for elk for a week or for multiple years to get a shot at one and then you get one, sort of that elation, I'm probably not going to get that from shooting a bear over bait, right. But what I do want to say is that just because it's easier, I don't think that should necessarily take away from the experience. Just like, set your expectations right, like you're not going to have that big moment and just like tears are going to come bursting out because you just put in five crazy days of work, right, this is way more casual whatever. But it is what it is, and it shouldn't take away from it. There's a lot of like I said in the watch the episode, there's a lot of things that you get to experience doing that that you don't get to experience grinding the mountains for five days, you know. So again, I just don't think that we should look at it as it's that it's exclusive of one another, that just because one one version of hunting is easier, that it's not proper hunting or not ethical hunting, or not the right kind of hunting. It's just different. So cool. 00:14:50 Speaker 4: Let's watch his next clip, which I think you kind of set up the kind of environment that you're in. 00:14:54 Speaker 2: Feels ready for us to move on, folks. Two hours northwest of Winnipeg, and we're still very much in southern Manitoba. This central Canadian province runs seven hundred and sixty miles north to south. The outfit sits just north of Riding Mountain National Park and just west of Lake Manitoba. To the south are the Great Plains and to the north the beginnings of the boreal Forest. This part of Manitoba is an even mix of forest and agriculture. Aspen and burr oak dominate the woods and the fields are mostly canola, wheat, and soybeans. This makes for unbelievable bear habitat. Manitoba is estimated to hold thirty to forty thousand black bears. 00:15:44 Speaker 3: Man something about black bear hunting, Yanni and forest fires and smoke when we went hunting in ours. 00:15:52 Speaker 2: Oh that's right. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: In Montana, we had somehow had to deal with forest fires in May. Didn't expect that and it affected our he but. 00:16:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could see it's a little smoky in that clip there, and we actually ran into hunters traveling on that hunt that had gone farther north and had to be evacuated and didn't even get to go black bear hunt. 00:16:14 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Yeah, so it's a thing. So after we watched and heard that, were you hunting McCarthy's property in Manitoba and can you describe the layout of that habitat? 00:16:26 Speaker 2: So we were not hunting the McCarthy's place. We were hunting either public land that he has the right to bait on or private land where he has an agreement with the landowner to have a bait site. As far as what it looks like, I mean, you saw it there in the clip if you're only listening. It is a very even mix of woods and ag. I mean it's kind of what you whatuld you expect in a lot of parts of the Midwest where the ag hasn't gone completely nuts. So and they're where they're not aging, you know, farming from ditch to ditch. But here there's still a lot of woods left between the fields. And yeah, it was I was surprised to see. I was because I said in the description there in the video, it's aspen and oak trees, which I've never seen that mix anywhere else. I mean, we have big tooth aspen down in Wisconsin, but not these populous tremulodies like the ones that we have out west here, the ones that are white, real white, barked, and you know you get the great colors in the fall, and they shimmer in the wind. That's the same aspen that's there. So it's a really cool mix. And I bet you in the fall it's just absolutely gorgeous. I mean, oak trees and aspens, it's got to be killers. 00:17:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, colors, the foliage would be popping. Yeah, that's a lot of bears obviously that you got to witness daily out there, and then obviously Manitoba massive province. But the just the section you were in, you had a lot of bear encounters, so there must be plenty places for him to rest and recover and hide out, assuming during the day. So just looking at that photo we're looking at from that clip, it's a good mix. A lot of habitat for them to hide in and then playing a farm field. 00:18:18 Speaker 2: Farm fields to feed in. Yeah, the best of both worlds, everything a bear wants. 00:18:23 Speaker 3: And then you were there in June, right, so it's probably early farm and season, assuming nothing's like standing too tall yet. 00:18:31 Speaker 2: In those no, no, we saw farmers actually planting, planting fields, prepping for the season. Yeah. 00:18:39 Speaker 3: So did you pick those dates that you hunted in Manitoba that week? 00:18:44 Speaker 2: No, I think the season ends second week of June or after the second week of June, so it pretty much runs all in May and then two weeks into June. He usually a lot of times doesn't hunt into June. But because this is kind of last minute, he got a spot for me, come on the back end of everybody else onting. He felt like it's good and bad. Basically, the farther you get into June, the hides are going to be more rubbed, except for the big boares. He said that for whatever reason, the big boars seem to keep doing less rubbing and keep their nice hides longer. It might be because they're more focused on rutting. So that's kind of peak running activity is that June time period. And so because they're you know, looking for sALS, they're not sitting around rubbing their hides off. 00:19:42 Speaker 3: I was going to ask that, did you witness any rutting action? 00:19:47 Speaker 2: I mean the big boar that came in. I mean probably any boar that was sort of you know, middle sized, middle age to bigger or older is coming there because they know there's going to be sALS at that bait. There's gonna be more than one sal, and there's gonna be more than one board you know, coming around. Right. So, but I wouldn't say that we didn't actually see any sort of board chasing a sow activity, No, not specifically coming in. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: It is kind of a win wind for him. They might find some food, well, they will find some food. Maybe they'll find a lady too. Yeah, that probably They probably do that undercover in the thick oaks and aspens. 00:20:30 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't know. 00:20:32 Speaker 3: I would let's see change in topics. We had a few questions come in about bear bait ingredients. Someone on Instagram asked what kind of bait is used and how does it affect the flavor of the meat and fat. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: Of the bears. 00:20:48 Speaker 3: We've got a clip here from the film which could help answer that. 00:20:54 Speaker 5: I just put a bit of oats and then I'll top it off with some corn. At the start of the season, I usually just use oats, just oats and the grease used grease. 00:21:12 Speaker 2: How do you get your hands on enough grease to for this? 00:21:16 Speaker 5: I got up some INDs with a few restaurants and they just hold it all for me. Use use Frier oil, Yeah, and then I put an ounce or two of Northwood's bear products in it, some expired stuff. They eat anything that's soaked in Frier oil. 00:21:39 Speaker 2: Do you think they would eat it less if it was just plain bread? 00:21:41 Speaker 5: Well, if it's got green, they're fussy. If it's like rotten like that, they won't eat. 00:21:48 Speaker 2: It, No, kid, unless you soak it. 00:21:53 Speaker 5: They don't eat fish because they're not raised on it like they are in BC and stuff right at those salmon runs and they just. 00:22:04 Speaker 2: And he meat. 00:22:05 Speaker 5: If the meat goes ro often they don't like it. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: But something about beaver, something about beaver is right. If you're only listening again, we were at the bait barrel and after putting in the corn and oats that were soaked in the fryer oil, we added some outdated bread that was moldy. So that's why we were talking about the mold. But he said, if you soak it in some grease, then they're more apt to and to get after it. So yeah, our ingredients included oats, corn, grease. Barely were birthday cake and beaver meat. The most interesting part about it was that there is some tactics involved with baiting, like early on, when he's doing the sort of prebating to set the stations up before he's got hunters coming in, it's only the oats and the soaked and the reason he does that is because the oats don't fill the bears up. They just go right through the bears. They kind of just poop them right out. And it's very evident when you're at the bait site because it's like a twenty yard radius where it's almost like a just a smear of bear poop of oats that are just there's still whole, like they're just not breaking them down, they're not getting nutrients out of them. So they fill up, they leave, they come right back, so he feels like that helps him come back. And then as it gets time to hunt him, he starts adding the corn and adding other things to sort of sweeten the pot a little bit and hopefully make that one, you know, big bear come in during daylight hours. The other more interesting thing was how into the beaver meat they are. The first night, it was just hung basically where they could get to it very easily, and the first bear that came in got the beaver out of the tree, went off fifty yards and you could hear munching on it. Other bears were coming in. They could smell that he was over there or she was over there chewing on that beaver meat. They would go over there, they'd tussle, you know, get a chunk or whatever, and you once it was all gone, the bears started hitting the bait barrel. But that beaver meat is number one for whatever reason. And I even asked Craig about, like, how come you just use roadkill, Like, there's moose around, there's elk around, there's deer round. And he's like, man, they're not into it, wow, not into it. But that sweet beaver meat they love it. His theory is that it's one of the first of easy available foods for them in the spring, and the soal can teach those cups to basically sit on a beaver run and hunt them easily, and so they sort of grow up, you know, with a taste for it. 00:24:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like he was saying, they don't like fish, which is surprising to me because it's just the stinky old fish. You think would just yeah, you with any anything, right, But if they're not used to it, if they're not grown up on it as yeah, for a beaver. 00:25:06 Speaker 2: And now I would imagine that, like anything, if you just kept giving it to him, kept giving it to him, that some would start to eat it slowly and then you know, maybe they'd develop a taste for it. But anyways, so people want to know, uh, if like that changed the flavor of the meat or the fat. Again, he only bates him for about eight weeks total. Maybe that's enough time. To change the flavor of bear meat. But again it's mostly corn and oats. There's like some oil on there. There's a little bit of the pastries and the sweet stuff birthday cake. Yeah, I just don't think it's quite enough. The only time that we've experienced that is with the Prince of Wales Island bears. They're literally are eating fish or seafood year round, like they're always scavenging on the beaches, whether it's they're eating mussels or they got salmon coming up the creeks and or eating those whatever it might be that bear meat. Steve one time gave me a chunk and said close your eyes and eat this, And when I ate it, it was a smoked chunk of bear. But when you ate it, you thought you were eating salmon jerky because it just tasted like a salmon. 00:26:31 Speaker 3: That sounds pretty good. 00:26:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually wasn't bad at all. It wasn't like it was rotten salmon. It was just you know, smoke. It was more of a smoked salmon flavor than a smoked red meat flavor. So yeah, I don't think it changes it changed it at all. 00:26:49 Speaker 3: So did you notice any different taste you did that what was the recipe that you cooked up up there at their their camp. Did you notice any off putting taste in the neighbor the fat that you've been eaten on. 00:27:02 Speaker 2: No, the fat is completely What makes bear grease so great is that it's odorless and flavorless. I mean, I just I think that if you did a blind taste tess and you had I don't know, olive oil and avocado oil and whatever grape seed oil, bear would land. Bear grease would land in the oils that are just the most flavorless and odorless. Like I feel like olive oil I could probably pick out I'm trying to think of one other one that's it's like just very very bland. But yeah, there's just no flavor to it. It's great. That is. 00:27:47 Speaker 3: From YouTube at UA two eight nine to four asks isn't it bad to feed the bears on that stuff? We're all health? 00:27:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, the health of the bears. Again, if it was a year round program, it probably would not be good for the bears. Everything in moderation. You know, we did hit this in a mediator podcast where there's some sort of study being done. I think maybe even North Carolina. They excuse me, outlawed some these types of bait because literally the bears there were getting tooth decay, tooth rot. Interesting, but again I'm assuming it was like a year round program or just a lot of it. You know, bears aren't brushing their teeth, and it was you know, it was affecting the affecting the bear. So yeah, again, too much of it, probably not good follow up question someone asked when this encouraged bears to raise garbage cans. I talked to Craig McCarthy this morning about that they do not have like a higher prevalence of bears in garbage cans or at people's houses than anywhere else where there's bear human interface. You know, I think that once these bears are off the bait, once the season ends again, there's just so much food in that habitat between acorns from those oak trees and then all of the stuff that they're growing, canola, corn, soybeans, it's orgum, you name it, it's all there. Like those bears are just have a lot of food at their disposal. 00:29:31 Speaker 3: Fawns, calves, moose, deer. 00:29:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure at some point, you know, when there's when there's the when it's fawning season. I'm sure they snack on a few beavers. Yeah, and beavers. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: Well, okay, moving on from baiting m H. A few folks asked if you could detail your archery set up, your bow and arrow set up. Where were you shooting? 00:29:57 Speaker 2: That was a Matthews lift X at at seventy pounds. You know, my draw length is just shy at thirty inches, I shoot a about a thirty inch arrow. Maybe my arrow is twenty nine and a half. I'm shooting the rip tkos with a two hundred grain head on them. There's a weighted insert as well. I think my total arrowwight is right around five hundred grains for that setup. Yeah, anything else do you want to know about my bow and arrow set up? 00:30:34 Speaker 3: No, that was pretty good. I don't think we're going. 00:30:36 Speaker 2: To single bevel broadhead from iron will. That's what I shot through it, and yeah, got a nice pass through and the bear died fifty yards later, you know, less than thirty seconds we heard the death moan. 00:30:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember if you covered it in the film or not, But where did you hit him? Did you hit the middle just forward of middle of middle? 00:30:57 Speaker 2: Like you know, you just can't we we've replayed it, which is often fun to do in your video haunts, as you can replay and see exactly where you hit. But the light's fading just enough, that arrow's moving just fast enough that it's hard to tell exactly where it is because the bear, you know, shrugs just a little bit as the arrow's going in there. It was hard to find the middle of the middle because your site picture is just full of black hair and it's low light, and there's no shoulder crease, there's no ribs that you can you know, see, there's no other coloration that you can kind of work off of, you know, like a prong horned antelope. I mean, it literally gives you a spot to aim on its side where there's like a right hand, you know, a right corner of white coming up into its vitals and literally if you pull put a bullet on that corner, it's money. Yeah, an all black bear does not have that. And so you can actually see me in the video sort of like moving my pins around, going up and down. I kind of come out of my peep a couple of times, just because I really wanted to be sure, you know, and try to get it into that middle of the middle spot. But yeah, we did a little neck cropsy and hit gone right through the lungs beautiful. 00:32:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, how far did he go? Maybe fifty yards Okay, through some thick stuff, but easy blood trail even with all that fur that could be tough to blood trail. 00:32:34 Speaker 2: Bear. Yeah. You know, like any animal, people are always like, oh, come, there's no blood right off the bat. I don't think that there is blood right off the bat, not the kind of blood that you really want to see. I mean, sometimes you see it when you get a muscle wound and you get some muscle blood like spurting right off the bat. But really, when you go through the vitals, that stuff just doesn't start bleeding. You know. You basically have to fill up that cap to start coming out the edges right or the motion to start slashing it out of there. 00:33:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, and with a bear, it has to it mops it up like a sponge before it actually hits the ground. 00:33:10 Speaker 2: Sure, bears can be very you know, if you've gotten the lungs good or you know, one of those big arteries where it's going to cause the blood to be coming out of the face right, that still takes time, and animals go so far so fast that people are like, oh, they have blood the first fifty yards. Well, you know what, that's not an issue for me. If I don't have blood the first fifty yards, it's just like, it's just not a thing that I think about. And usually if you made the right hit and there's a bunch of blood, it's like the animals they're dead at fifty yards. So yeah, not a thing I'm too worried about. 00:33:49 Speaker 3: I was curious you weren't using illuminated knocks. I was you were, Oh yeah, excuse me. Obviously I didn't watch it enough. 00:33:55 Speaker 2: But that's good. 00:33:56 Speaker 3: Obviously the lot of shots on those big boars are going to be at last light. Yeah, so much be able to see, especially if you're film and look back at it. 00:34:04 Speaker 2: Sure, see where you hit it. 00:34:08 Speaker 3: Let's see at c JJ ninety eight asks, doesn't safety say to use a gear, harness and pulley to get your bow rifle crossbow into the stand with you? Yet Jannis climbed up with it in his hand. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 00:34:21 Speaker 3: What do you have to say about that? 00:34:24 Speaker 2: So, yes, I knew this would be a thing. The first night I wore a saddle and I was tethered. In the second two nights, I did not. So these stands were what I will consider a low stand ten feet maybe your butts twelve feet off the ground, Like you're just not that high. You don't have to be that high, right, just like a little bit. And it's probably more for to be able just to see and get the right angle over foliage and stuff, more than trying to hide, you know, like with deer hunting, trying to get twenty feet up all the time because it's like part of the hide. So, yeah, it was a huge stand. It was a two person stand. It had the bar around it. Yes, could it be bad if you still fall eight feet or ten feet off of a ladder, one hundred percent? It Uh, Just in that moment I felt very safe that I could make it that short distance. I wasn't that high off the ground that I could deal with this safely, you know. And then the second and the third night, once I was in the stand, I wasn't. I wasn't strapped in again big wide platform. I was only you know, my feet were like eight or ten feet off the ground. 00:35:46 Speaker 3: Long enough for that seven foot bear to grab your foot if you wanted to. 00:35:50 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, so one hundred percent. Kids, when you're climbing up into those stands, you should always use a rope to pull up your rifle or your bow, like when I'm in Wisconsin, I always do that. It's probably impossible with the way I climb up into a tree, probably be impossible to go up with the bow in my hand, But yeah, that's the way you want to do it. Again, it was literally like three steps for me. It just seems so short that I wasn't worried about it. Well, thanks for explaining. 00:36:24 Speaker 3: We have another clip of the film to show and we'll explain what we're seeing here. Phil take it away. 00:36:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm out. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: So for those who couldn't see what was going on on the first day of your hunt, we see Craig, your outfitter, standing feet away from the bait drum and feet away from two bears before he leaves it to you. A bunch of folks wrote in asking what the heck what's going on? Why are those bears so close to the guy and not getting spooked? They almost look tame? Can you explain the scene, Yanni. 00:37:10 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, And you can see on my Instagram too. There was other videos and you can check out Craigs. Excuse me, this Lacroix is really giving me some gas in my chest. Ah, there's other videos out there where that same day, we're messing around, we're setting up camera gear and whatever, and behind our backs there's bears already coming to the bait because we've already prepped the bait. And at one point I try to just sneak alongside the can am and I get within yeah, two or three feet where I could reach out and smack him in the face if I wanted to write it's a young bear. So I was talking to Craig about that this morning and he's like, he's like, look, you gotta look at it that. Here's this food source. They're interested in it. There's a bunch of bait in the area. Those young bear it's a competition. Those young bears are pretty much like, if I want to get some of this, I got to be here first. Sure, And so I like, there's certainly accustomed to the sound of the buggy coming in. 00:38:16 Speaker 3: It's like a dinner bell probably. 00:38:17 Speaker 2: Oh, and so they're there and they want to get first crack at it. Right, and they're ballsy enough to where they're like, yeah, other things whatever can am humans, I'll take my chances because I want to get some of these galleries. So yes, it's like it's again, it does make it. It gives it this like oh, they're like they're tame. Well they're tame when they're young and they're hungry, and as they get older and they start to dominate, they start to not be quite so bold in during daylight hours. Like they've had weeks where the big bores only show up in the dark and the clients don't get to kill a big boar because those big boores haven't figured out yeah, out smarter them somehow. 00:39:08 Speaker 3: Well, there's other scenes of bears getting really close to you, and I was curious once that can am leaves. Where did those bears acknowledge you three, their two cameramen and yourself in the tree. 00:39:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a weird thing when you've never been there to get used to that, because they sort of like come in and then they glance up, but then they just go back to what they're doing, so they're very aware of your presence. Again, I just think that it's like this bait is here. They want those calories. There will there that risk reward. They're willing to do the risk for the reward. Again for whatever reason, the big boar is not doing that that much. So they know that the threat is there. And like we're still when we're setting up on those baits, we're still thinking about where are the where's the boar gonna come from? What's the wind doing? Because the wind was set up just right for when that boar came in that he did not smell us like it was a kind of a crosswind, and so had he like looped the crosswind, he would have smelled us. But he came in on the trail and he just he just never cut my wind. It could have been a totally different thing had he, you know, looped around and gotten our wind. I don't know what the result would have been. That bear never knew we were there. 00:40:31 Speaker 3: The boar so well, we have some clips showing just how close some of these bears got to you. Oh, such good climbers. Looks like he's kind of taking his time too, Is that right underneath you? 00:41:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's kind of coming up the side where there's no ladder. Those are max his feet. You could see and I'm on the other side of the tree. 00:41:23 Speaker 1: Another bear coming from the field. 00:41:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, this one you can see, it's that's a cub. That's that was had come in with that with the sal which you can see underneath Eli there a big cinnamon bear is a sow and she had a black cub and a blonde cub. And I'm not worried at all about that little cub like that, dude, you know, you can pop him in the nose and you're and you're probably gonna turn him the other direction. But if that soal thinks that there's danger in that tree because you just popped her, you know, cub, that's the problem, is that, like you piss off that sow because that soal is not that much smaller than the boar that I ended up killing. She's a tank, yeah color yeah, so yeah, we didn't have anything like that happened in our tree. It just happened to be that when that sow sent those cubs up the tree, that that one chose that one that Eli was in. 00:42:31 Speaker 3: Okay, that's what was happening. They were retreating from that boar coming. 00:42:34 Speaker 2: In, yes, exactly. And that happened a lot like every single night, there'd be a soal in there with cubs. They're doing their thing. And then a lot of times, even before we saw the other bear, the sour would make some grunt, some noise, some movement, and those cubs would just be, you know, thirty feet up a tree in a heartbeat because the boar's coming in. 00:42:55 Speaker 3: So what would mom do. 00:42:58 Speaker 2: She'd hang out kind of at the base the tree. If she had to shed, she'd sort of charge at those other bears and run them off. But yeah, I think she was out of all the bears we saw in three days, she would have done that to every single bear except the one that I killed. Oh really, Yeah, if if she would have charged him, it would there would have been a little battle Royale on our hands. Yeah. 00:43:23 Speaker 3: Those look like yearlink cubs. 00:43:26 Speaker 2: No, those were definitely not yearling. Those were probably second year cubs. Those were pretty there's the second night you'll see it. There's a lot of clips on it on the episode, but the second night, those are probably more like yearlink cubs, like one year old, not like born that year in the in the den, but one year old. I think those were probably two years old and getting ready, because those were like decent size. I mean, when that one's next to Eli, it doesn't look that much smaller than Eli. No. Oh interesting, you know, so coming on two hundred pound bear, you know, I doubt that's a yearling. They're eating good. They are eating good. 00:44:01 Speaker 3: Hard to say, obviously, Oh yeah, for sure. Let's say another question from at Relaxing Drives six oh seven five. I've never hunted bears before, but I'm confused about how you all get away with moving and talking so much and not spooking the bears. Can you please comment on this. I understand the bears see very well, but they get face to face with the cubs in the tree and seem to be unbothered. Are they aware you are there and just don't fear you? 00:44:30 Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent they just haven't. I think they do fear it, But again it's that risk reward for that bait. And again we're not out there doing jumping jacks and hooting and hollering like we're doing some talking. It's very quiet. I think that if you climb down out of the tree, you're gonna run the bears out of there, right if you start yelling and talking in a normal voice, you're gonna probably run the bears out of there. I don't know. We didn't. We didn't test that because I think that the whole goal is that you're trying to like minimize your presence so that the bore who is sketched out about the situation so that you can fool him into coming in. 00:45:17 Speaker 3: Well, it's seeing you move is one thing. But do you think you must have had pretty decent wind when they were all hanging around there or did they not really mind that. 00:45:25 Speaker 2: As it just it depended. But yeah, we never like those your stands, never set up upwind of that bait. Sure right all the time. Yeah, but well that would be the wrong version. So it's set up in a way so that most of the predominant wins of the area are going to not be blowing right at the bait, you know. So yeah, I think if they were again, because they don't see that great this fella seems the thing that they do or this person but bears right, in your opinion, not the best vision. 00:46:00 Speaker 3: Can't fool their nose. But yeah, they're they're a little I'll question what they see until they smell it or even hear it. Yeah, they'll look at you for a while, but if they smell it, you may not ever get a chance to see him. It's over normally. Let's see, here's another question. What signs do you look for to tell a bore from a sow on camera? 00:46:21 Speaker 2: M definitely just a stockier front end, especially those with those younger bears. I don't know if it's impossible, but I don't think I could tell. But as those bears get older, the boars have just a more shoulders on them, and then they'll they almost start to walk. And you can definitely see it with the bear that I shoot when he comes in, there's like a little bit of a swagger his front toes or pointed inward almost a little bit. And just the body shape the sow seems to be rounder, I guess if that makes sense. They're pear shaped. Definitely rounder in the butt, yeah, rounder in the butt. Yeah. Other than that, it's it's basically the cub thing. 00:47:11 Speaker 3: It's not easy. It's nice when you get some time to look at him. Oh yeah, But in spotting stock, especially around here out west, it's hard to get enough time, first of all to be able to tell the difference. But yeah, make sure cubs is the biggest giveaway, like you said. But that bore was obvious, like you said, coming in hot, swaggering, owning the joint. 00:47:36 Speaker 2: Let's see. 00:47:37 Speaker 3: Moving on, we want to flash another clip from the film which shows just how smart black bears are. 00:47:51 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this one we hung that basically like you hang some food in the back country in bear country, looped it over a limb, had it hanging down, and then had tied it off there on that tree that where we had that mote. Cammer never even looks at the barrel. He goes straight to the not so easy to get beaver carcass and never gives up. He climbs every tree in the vicinity multiple times. He eventually realizes that the yellow rope is attached to the beaver, and after enough manipulation, he gets what he wants. Oh there's something about that beaver meat that a barrel full of use. 00:48:40 Speaker 4: So smart at our video playing services having some issues. But that was basically the end of the clip. 00:48:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got it. That's a very abridged version that bear. I think that bear knew that we had put that. I don't I don't want to say that he knew that we put that beaver carcass there. But I think that he knew that somehow we were associated with it, the same way that he kind of knew that yellow rope was associated with it because he came over. Because you got, the whole thing happens there in a span of a minute or two, but that actually lasted closer to an hour. Wow. And that bear came and climbed our tree multiple times. And he definitely had a little bit of a huff and a puff and an attitude to him about it when he was coming up that tree, as in kind of you know, and again it's a little bit of anthropomorphisation here, but you're thinking that the bear is like, hey, you guys have something to do with that thing, Like I need to come up here, and maybe if I do something with you guys, that'll make the you know, the beaver carcass fall out of the tree. I don't know, but like I said, he went up every single tree and just messed around, messed around, messed around until finally, you know, he gets a hold of that rope and then he sees that when he's holding onto the rope, the carcass is moving, and he just kept messing with that rope until the carcass fell down. Clay in his new book, he dives into I haven't read this part, but Clay told me all about it about how black bears are, like it's proven, it's study that they are the most curious animals, and like they're able to do more problem solving than any other wild animal on our continent. Right, So this is like a prime example of that bear being like, oh, I want that. I'm going to figure out how to get it, as opposed to just being like, oh, it's out of reach, I'll go and eat the stuff out of the barrel. There's a trip. And again, that was worth the price of admission, was to go there and watch that bear problem solve. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: That And was that bear able to devour that whole beaver? Did somebody else come and see. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: He ran off with it eventually? And then other bears would you know, go into the woods where he was and you'd hear some growling and some you know, I could see what was going on. But again, like they love that meat, and I'm sure someone else got a little little bits and pieces of it. 00:51:09 Speaker 3: Well, smart little bugger, mm hmm, he hasn't got an interesting coat. Too, he's kind of trying to become a either cinnamon or blonde. 00:51:17 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that or he's rubbed out hard to say. 00:51:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could have rubbed that outer coat off. Let's see where are we at here. We talked about how they love the beaver meat over the sugar and the baits. Yeah, you did eventually get a chance at the target boar and made a pass through shot. Your reflections on site picture and taking the shot were interesting since you've never been that up close and personal with a bear. 00:51:47 Speaker 2: Sure, and we kind of covered that. It's just like it's a big black target and your site picture. Had he been at thirty yards, it'd be easier to pick the middle of the middle because you can just your sight picture, you can see the tire bear. But when he's at twelve yards is I think how far the shot was, Like, you can't see the top when you're looking through your peep you can't see the top of the bear or the bottom of the bear. You can just see black, and so it was just a little bit of a challenge to find the middle of the middle. 00:52:16 Speaker 4: We got a clip here if you. 00:52:22 Speaker 2: What do you think about that looks good man? Looks got good blood mine. See there's some bubbles in there. Oh yeah, ah on here. 00:52:35 Speaker 1: It was tough because you know it's getting a little bit dark and you're so close to him. 00:52:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. That like your whole site picture is just black bear, right, And so I came off him like three different times, going Okay, there's his leg. Okay, there's this, you know. 00:52:50 Speaker 3: Bottom of the bear. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: There's the top of the bear. Yeah, okay, there's the middle. 00:52:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's the middle of the middle. 00:53:01 Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next one, Corey. Yeah. 00:53:05 Speaker 3: YouTube question from at regular guy dash J four l asks honest question. If the bear was wounded, did you have a backup weapon? And can you even have one in Manitoba? A pistol is what he's referring to. 00:53:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know the answer as far as can you have one in Manitoba. I don't think I could have traveled up there with a pistol. I'm not sure. I didn't look into it. I did ask that of Craig when we were tracking the bear, Mike, would this be something you normally do? And he normally does have I believe a shotgun, I can't remember it was that or or lever action some kind of a small, handy maneuverable weapon that he can pump off some rounds if needed, you know, and he usually does pack that, but he had forgotten it. He did feel confident with my I report on you know that we had thought we made a good shot. We heard the death mone, we heard him crash not far away, like he felt like we were going to walk in there and find it. But normally, he said, when he is tracking, he does have a weapon, but I was I was not carrying one. 00:54:18 Speaker 3: How long did you guys wait after your shot? 00:54:22 Speaker 2: I mean we really only waited because, well, one, you're making a television piece of television, so you know, the camera guy's got to wrap their stuff up, and you know, we're trying to shoot stuff and make sure we got it all covered. And then I forget how far away Craig was, but it took him I don't know, twenty or thirty minutes to get there maybe, and so yeah, not that long, yeah, thirty minutes. Well that helps to be patient. Let him expire, just make sure, yeah for sure, for sure. 00:54:53 Speaker 3: Okay, we want to show the bore you got Phil. 00:54:57 Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, he's a thank look at that. 00:55:02 Speaker 2: He's a beast. Look at that animal. Nuh, that's a mature bar right there. 00:55:11 Speaker 5: Someone we're looking for. 00:55:14 Speaker 2: You got him? 00:55:16 Speaker 5: Wow? 00:55:18 Speaker 2: Look at him? 00:55:18 Speaker 3: Pause. 00:55:20 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's a big bear. Oh yeah, look at the head on him. 00:55:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, that suckers thick. 00:55:38 Speaker 4: Oh he's awesome. 00:55:44 Speaker 2: Thanks buddy, Thanks Craig. 00:55:47 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, I love that bloody handshake. 00:55:51 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 00:55:53 Speaker 3: What a giant, giant beast. 00:55:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. People asked if that was my biggest one. Well, that's my only bear. It's not true. I killed one of the mingus treed in our backyard once. That was I don't know, seventy five pound bear. He was eating our chickens and when I called the ward and he's like, look, you can kill him or I'm gonna have to come and kill him. If you kill him, you can put the meat in your freezer. So I chose that route. So this is the first one that I went on a hunt and got. M Yeah, I'm stoked. It's a big bear on the top of that one. Yeah, I mean he's got a we think we I texted Craig if you remember what we green scored him nineteen and change is what he thought on this on the skull, which I think twenty inches is like Bunakrockett minimum twenty one is all time, and he thinks he's squared around seven and a half feet. So yeah, big old, big old giant bear. I mean, I'm soked on its. Bears are kind of nice. It's kind of like a turkey in a way, where any mature bear just like any mature Tom. You know, Tom's become a little mature sooner than a bear. But they're all nice because they're all like big and fat and got a big skull on them, And like, I don't care if it's an eighteen inch skull or twenty one inch skull is I don't think that's ever going to be a thing for me, or if the hide is six feet versus seven and a half feet, Like, I was just happy with the experience. Now that I have a skull and a hide at home, I'm like, I'm probably not going to go try to kill another bear to have another skull and more hides. We just don't have things to do with them these days. Like my hide is basically laying on the in the middle of our living room, which is fun Mingus has been taking a lot of naps on it. I've laid down on it a little bit. I have a dream or a vision where once I move my woodstove to a place where you can actually right now, it's like in the entry area, which I understand why the guy did it, but I would prefer if it was like in a corner of the house where you can sit in a comfortable chair in front of it watch the fire. I'd like to have that hide laid out in front of it there where I could have my hound dog sleeping on it. I could kick my feet up on the hound dog that's on the bear hide. You know, I'm not going to try to preserve this hide by any means like I'm gonna use it. I'd like to use it as little literally as a rug of some sort on the ground. I'm not going to just hang it up on the wall just to be just to be able to look at it. That being said, I don't need more hides. I don't need more skulls. What I do need more of is bear me. 00:58:52 Speaker 3: Oh amen. 00:58:53 Speaker 2: The more I eat it, the more I like it. And it's just such a nice change of pace from all of the super leannessin you know, whether it's elk deer, pronghorn, moose, whatever. All that stuff just gets to just kind of be the same after a while. And it's nice to have some meat. It's got some fat in it. So I'm on one hundred percent and to keep hunting bears, but primarily for the meat. 00:59:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good changeup. And here in Montana and a lot of places seasonally add to your freezer in the spring. 00:59:27 Speaker 2: People feel obligated, I think to do stuff with hides and skulls, especially with bears. I mean, in some places you have to pack it out. But honestly, it's for me, it's not That's not what I'm into bear hunting for. I want the meat and the fat. Like we're almost out of all of the I know. Someone asked, well, we can just go to the next question. 00:59:55 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, let me let's bring this one up at max straight six two three five asks what are your thoughts on scoring bears. I think we've established that is there a better way to identify trophy status or does it even matter? Skull size is very difficult to assess. Even some pumpkinheads don't score as well as you'd expect. As much of the appearance as can be soft tissue. I'm guessing yours went around twenty inches. A great example of what our province has to offer must be a local manitobin. But yeah, good point. I mean, if you mentioned that skull was under twenty I harvested a bear last spring, that sounds like we need to clarify. This might have a little bit bigger of a skull, but he did not go as long or as squared as your bear, so he'd had a big, wide skull, which probably helped that score. Growing up, we just worried about at length, like you were always looking for a seven foot bear, which is pretty rare to find in Montana. I know of a few, but they're hard to find. That's an old bear. It doesn't always mean it's an old bear. They're just a big long bear, so you know, good jeans on the hoof or on the paws, they say. Scoring a bear in the field as far as Boone and Crockett and Pope and young is very difficult. You'll know if he's got a big old noggin on him. But most people that I know look for the length knows to tail. As far as what establishes a big bear and the size of a bear that you can brag about to your friends or whatever. 01:01:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to continue to try to kill bears and just kill ones that aren't the size of a black lab. Someone asked, or maybe this was just Corey asking how much the bear weighed and how much rendered fat did I get off him? The bear was three hundred and eighty eight pounds. Because I had to travel with all that back from Manitoba to Montana and you know, airplanes and all that, I got surprisingly more meat and fat back than I thought I would. I filled up I don't know three yetty soft sides, and I still had I felt like the majority of a bear left because I had you know, hide and skull, and so we had enough time because we killed on day three and didn't leave until day six or seven. That we processed well. Rough process basically just got the meat into ziplocks and we were able to freeze most of it, and so I actually then just put it into big, heavy duty garbage bags and just literally filled a duffel bag I think up to one hundred pounds, and we just paid the extra fee on shipping that back. So I had an amazing amount of meat and fat coming home with me plus hide and skull. But in the end, when I rendered that fat down, I ended up with about two gallons. I think I probably could have gotten at least another gallon, maybe two. I mean, we weren't being like super picky about it when we were breaking it down again because I knew I just had limited space to get at home. But yeah, there's two gallons. Super stoked on it. I've been given away too much of it and I'm only I'm down to like two pints now and some sort of starting to savor it a little bit. But I like sharing it because people are like, no way really bear oil, and I'm like, yeah, check it out, and they're like, man, it's just so pure. You would never know, you know that you're eating barre oil. 01:03:26 Speaker 3: Two gallons is an insane amount compared to some of the bears that I've I've taken the fat off here in Montana. Have you talked to Clay about the two gallon mark? Is that is that a lot for down South too? 01:03:37 Speaker 2: Man? I just think a lot of it, Like that bear he ended up winning three eighty eight. Craig the outfitter, felt like, had we killed that bear in the fall, he could have easily been four eighty eight, if not five point fifty, right, because they're just and that's pretty much all fat. You know. I'm sure there's getting some muscle too, but they're just putting on fat. So I think a lot of it just depends on what status state you catched him. I know a guy that killed a giant bear, like a solid six and a half footer here in Montana, and he killed it on the last day of rifle season, which is late November. And man, he said that they actually spent more time packing fat than meat. Wow, Like there was like in just like wait wait, wise there was more weight in the fat than there was in the meat, and I forget that was like six six gallons. I think that he got like I almost didn't believe him, but when he started describing sort of how the he said that the fat just sort of there was a layer that just went all the way right down to his paws and then it sort of stopped right where his paul was. But from here it just jutted out and you could just like jiggle the fat all the way up his arms and just all just covering his entire body. So I it just depends on you know, what he's been eating and what time of the year it is, because that that's a you know, right before he goes to hibernate, that's when that bear is going to have the most fat on him. 01:05:05 Speaker 3: Well, let's see, we know what you're doing with the hide. Mm hmm, mingus is sleeping on it right now. So last question, which a ton of folks asked, do you plan on doing this hunt again? 01:05:18 Speaker 2: One hundred percent, no doubt. Like I said, with any hunt, I say, it's a lot of times to Steve going to Mexico for kus dear. I like going the first year to a new ranch because you get to experience a completely new ranch. Have you don't know anything about it. It's just one hundred percent mystery adventure is great. You spend a week there. The next year, I'm excited to go back because I have some relationship with that landscape. I'm like, Okay, don't need to go to that high point. That one wasn't good. We need to spend time here, here, and here because those were the best glassing knops, right, that's where the action was, and sort of that gets me excited. And then the third year you kind of have it. I don't want to say dialed, but you got a pretty good idea of what the program is. And by the fourth year, I'm like, man, let's go to start this process over again, because I just don't want to keep doing the same thing over So I think when you look at it with a baited black bear hunt, it's the same thing. Sure I went there and experienced it, but it was only three days. Yeah, I was successful, but like I want to still there's more there that I did not get to experience yet. Right and again, I think the next time a giant boar comes in, I will recognize that giant board probably sooner, and my heart rate might actually be spiking more than it did on this trip. The one thing I would like to do that I think would be fun is that instead of being up in the tree, is doing it down on the ground and just being even that much more intimate with the bears and just being at eye level with them and just seeing how that plays out. Just again for something different, you. 01:06:57 Speaker 3: Know, maybe tie a beaver carcass around your. 01:06:59 Speaker 2: Neck that I'm not gonna do. No, no, I'm not gonna do that, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put any castor sent on my boots, nothing like that. But yeah, I think building like a little ground blind and just setting up downwind. I think that that'd be a way to do it because as close as you are ten feet up in a tree ten yards away, if you were on the ground at seven yards, it'd be that much closer. It'd be cool. So we'll see. Yeah, we've actually booked some spots with Craig for twenty can remember was twenty seven or twenty eight. So yeah, not a hunt I need to do every single year. But if you're like, hey, let's go up there and haunt a bated bear. Kill abated bear, come home with some meat, I'm one hundred percent in for every other year. What about you. You've never done a baited black bear hunt? 01:08:02 Speaker 3: I imagine No, I haven't never had the opportunity. We neighbor a state that allows baited bear hunting in Idaho, not every unit, but some units. I would totally try it. I'd love to get that close and see that many bears. 01:08:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, what's interesting about debating is a lot of states regulate it much differently. Because, of course, as soon as I came back from Manitoba might call my friends in Wisconsin saying, hey, have you tried beaver meat, because that's the thing right in Wisconsin. You can't use any kind of meat product. 01:08:31 Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah, restrictions. 01:08:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't use any kind of a metal like fabricated can either. The bait has to basically be in a most people will use a hollow stump or a log and put it in there. So yeah, it's uh, they restrict it a little bit. So if you're going to go do it, you know, make sure you know your state's regulations for sure. But yeah, one hundred percent want to go back. Man, it was a great time. McCarthy's were great people, so awesome camaraderie, awesome time in camp and uh yeah, just a fun hunt. 01:09:12 Speaker 3: Well good, Yeah, baiting bears. Don't knock it till you try it. 01:09:15 Speaker 2: No, I'd like to share it with more people. I think that's Craig mentioned this too. It's like a great animal for people to get their like first bow kill. Right, There's just a lot of opportunities. You know, maybe your goal isn't a giant one. Maybe your goal you go up there and you're just like, oh, I just want to kill an animal with my boat. Well the shots are nice and close, lots of opportunities. There you go, great meat. Another another good reason to you know, to do a baited black bear hunt. 01:09:49 Speaker 3: Well, any other topics you want to discuss. 01:09:52 Speaker 2: No, wish I would have brought my skull ins. We could have met, you could have measured it for me and told me if I had a booner or not. 01:09:58 Speaker 3: But well, maybe we'll have to make a little video. 01:10:00 Speaker 2: We can do that next time. But yeah, thank you guys all for tuning in. And remember, in about a month or so, we'll have I think one of Clay's episodes will come out, or it will be one of Clay's films. Excuse me, Clay. One of Clay's films will come out and you'll be able to punch in your comments on YouTube and Instagram and he will do roughly the same thing. But maybe he'll have Bear or Brent asked the questions instead of Corey, because they'll probably do it down in Arkansas. So thanks again for watching, and yeah, tune in next month for another edition of Meat Eaters twelve and twenty six.