00:00:04 Speaker 1: Smell us now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast. Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time at seven pm for our Olympians listening in Italy on Thursday, February twelve, and we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth and Maggie. On today's show, we'll interview doctor Zach Graham about some of the world's rarest crayfish. Then we'll have a hot tip off about wal tents and duck breasts, followed by an interview with Emily Davis about collaring predators and the Grand Tetons. And finally, Seth and Maggie will compete in Meat Eater's prices. Right, but first, Maggie Hot though, our director of web content has a few important updates for us out of Minnesota and Florida. Maggie, the floor is yours. Where are we starting Minnesota or Florida? 00:01:11 Speaker 2: Oh, let's kick it off with Florida. 00:01:13 Speaker 3: Okay, So, Angler's health advocates and First Amendment advocates are all fighting against a provision that's in Senate build two ninety in House built four thirty three, And what this provision does is it expands on existing food liberal laws which basically we're set in place to protect perishable. 00:01:37 Speaker 2: Goods from being. 00:01:41 Speaker 3: You know, spoken poorly against two it was a protection for agriculture, okay. And so now what's happening is that this is being expanded to cover non parish perishable goods agricultural practices, and it throws on one way attorney fees. So sort of what could happen with this is if you are like an influencer and you make a post about how you don't like glyphosphate on your food, okay, you could be sued by whatever ag company for making a claim about this if you don't have like scientific studies that you're citing. So it sets this tone of like not wanting public critique and conversation. It's sort of this like muzzling of public input. 00:02:36 Speaker 1: And how does this affect hunters and anglers? Though? 00:02:38 Speaker 3: In Florida, so the organization Captain for Clean Waters has been sort of battling against a big sugar that's you know, it's ag but it's an industry and they've there's been studies that were released, I believe in twenty twenty two that directly correlated Big Sugar with Lake Okechobee. 00:03:04 Speaker 2: The red algae. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: Blooms that were coming from that, And you know, these Florida captains were seeing this. The algae blooms started in twenty eighteen, but they were, you know, they were raising the alarm for this in twenty eighteen. But if they didn't have that study, they could have been sued. They would have had to pay all of the attorney fees for the defendant and the plantiff. So it's just like that, it would remove the ability to have those conversations to bring up that kind of stuff because people would be so afraid of the legal fees and just you know, the hassle of being taken to court for using your First Amendment right. 00:03:42 Speaker 1: Already a challenging thing to do, even when there's not the threat of legal action like that, And so this just makes it even more crippling for hunters and anglers and conservationists in Florida. Meggie has covered this story very well on the meat eater dot com. She recently had an article Florida bilth Retin's public advocacy for Land, water and Wildlife. Where does this bill stand right now. 00:04:05 Speaker 3: So yeah, read that because that's a better overview than what I just gave you right now. But currently, the Senate stripped the provision, but it still exists in the House bill, so orgs like Captains for Clean Water are keeping the hammer down, keeping the pressure on, hoping to get that provision removed from the House version of the bill as well. So it's good progress, but the fight's not over on that yet. 00:04:35 Speaker 4: Okay. 00:04:35 Speaker 1: You'll see more updates, you know, on our website at the medeater dot com. You'll hear them on this podcast, and then we also have a new social channel called meat Eater News that is meant to cover things just like this, so hunters and anglers are just more informed in general. All right, let's talk about Minnesota. What's going on there. 00:04:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, the vote on the Boundary Waters HGR one has been delayed in the Senate until February twenty third. I think everybody here is probably pretty well versed on what's happening in the Boundary Waters. You know, no one, no one here wants to see the mining happen there. But the reason that was delayed is because people are raising their voices. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: They're being heard. That's why this was paused. 00:05:24 Speaker 3: You know, if you don't live in Minnesota, if you don't live in Florida, Like, these issues impact everyone because they set a tone. You know, if if this bill gets passed in Florida, it could easily be copycatted for passing. You know, the same thing in like a mining setting where it's like, okay, we're doing this and you can't speak out against it. 00:05:47 Speaker 2: If this. 00:05:50 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm blinking on what it is? The uh the congressional. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: Sorry, having a brain. 00:05:58 Speaker 1: There are two you may in the observation before we turn on the mics. There're two unrelated bills that are very related, especially right now in this time and moment. 00:06:07 Speaker 3: Yes, and it impacts conservationists across the country. And the more that we can have this like unified voice, the better we chance we have at protecting these wild places, even if it's not your home, even if you don't recreate there often like raise your voice because it could be in your backyard next time. 00:06:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of ways to stay updated on this. One of the best that I've found is BHA emails. It seems like the minute something happens or is about to happen. If if there are rumor circulating that seem to have some legs, they will send out an email and tell you what's going on and how you can act on behalf of yourself and fellowhunters and anglers and conservationists. So BHA newsletter is a great great thing to watch again, as well as the Meat Eaternews, the meeteater dot Com, and our future news podcast. It's coming in about a month from now. 00:07:01 Speaker 3: All right. 00:07:01 Speaker 1: Joining us on the line first is ecologist doctor Zach Graham. He's here to talk to us about his new book called Crayfish, Crawfish, Crawdad, The Biology and Conservation of North America's favorite crustaceans. Doctor Graham, welcome to the show. 00:07:16 Speaker 5: How you doing, Yeah, thank you all for having me. Very excited to be here talk about these animals. 00:07:21 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. 00:07:22 Speaker 1: Our first question, what do you call them crayfish, crawfish, crawdads, or something else? 00:07:28 Speaker 5: Yeah, I call them crayfish generally. It's kind of like a regional dialect. So I'm from the northeast. I'm from Pennsylvania, and so most people around Pennsylvania are calling them crayfish. 00:07:38 Speaker 1: Okay, we've talked about on the show in the past, how when you hear coyote versus coyote, hunters tend to call them coyotes, non hunters tend to call them coyotes. Is there anything like that when it comes to crayfish, Like, what does that tell you about a person when you hear them call it a crayfish versus crawfish versus crawdad. 00:08:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, it tells you a little bit about where they're from, because it's kind of like a regional dialect whether you call them crayfish, crawfish, or crawdad. The other thing, you know, is kind of like a saying with among crayfish biologists where we say, if you're studying them, you call them crayfish. So like the scientists call them crayfish, if you are eating them, you call them crawfish, and if you're fishing with them, you call them crawdads. 00:08:25 Speaker 6: So sometimes people are. 00:08:27 Speaker 5: Calling them different names based on their interaction with them, but most scientists will call them crayfish. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: And we are looking at a heat map here of what parts of the country call them different things. The hottest spots on that map look like Deep South Louisiana, calls them crawfish, and then like the Minnesota Wisconsin border crayfish. Part of Pennsylvania is hot for crayfish, and then the PNW looks like they prefer crawdad. A very interesting visual you can see on the Media to Podcast YouTube channel. During this interview doctor Graham, about seventy percent of the world's six hundred ish crayfish species are found in the United States. What is it about these animals that make them so uniquely American? 00:09:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is something that's really cool, is that crayfish are kind of like an American group of animals. There's crayfish around the world, but most of them are in the Eastern United States. And so the reason that primarily, as we think, is that the Eastern United States has amazing freshwater biodiversity, primarily because of the Appalachian Mountains, which are very very old, hundreds of millions of years old, even compared to the Rocky Mountains, which are surprisingly relatively new, even though they're much higher. So it all has to do with the development of the Appalachian Mountains over hundreds of millions of years that's split up waterways and led to a lot of really unique freshwater biodiversity. 00:09:56 Speaker 1: Love that. All right, let's talk about some of the more unique species of crayfish. Tell us about some of the varieties that spend most of their life on land. 00:10:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, these are some of my favorite because when we think about these animals, the crayfish or the crawfish, you think about them living in water like a lake or a creek or something like that. But there's a lot of about thirty percent of crayfish species that they're called burrowing species, and what they do is they essentially live on land, but then they dig down deep into the mud until they hit the water. So they're kind of like terrestrial animals. They live on land, but they dig down to the water and they make these little chimneys we call them. They're called chimneys. Very common throughout the Midwest and the Southeast. You seeing these little kind of piles of mud, and that's what the crayfish are doing, is that they're going down, getting a little pile of mud and then putting it at the very top of their burrow, and then they live down there pretty much their entire life, and most people never get to see one. But they're really unique. 00:10:58 Speaker 1: Are there any other animals that use those chimneys that they make, or is that's exclusively for those burling crayfish. 00:11:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they build it for themselves, but it essentially is like a nice little climate controlled environment, and so tons of animals love to kind of hijack the burrow or use it after the crayfish passes away. So snakes, frogs, salamanders, there's a lot of animals that like to use these burrows. 00:11:27 Speaker 7: Doctor Graham, I got a question for you. Are those crayfish that are making those burrows, are they coming out to feed at like a certain time, like at night or something, or are they just like in there all the time. 00:11:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the kind of general consensus is that most of them are feeding down in the burrow, feeding on little bugs that are crawling into their burrow, feeding on the root matter of the plants. Some of them, though, we have observed and studied how they sit at the very top of their burrow and they'll wait for like a slug or a spider or a snail to crawl around and then they'll pounce on it. So they kind of do they kind of sit at the top and wait as a predator. But then they also probably forage in the immediate area, but they almost never are found out in the open. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the species that live in caves. 00:12:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, so crayfish live in streams, creeks, these burrows that I'm talking about, and then they can also live in caves and so cave adapted crayfish. They're completely translucent and white. They often have no eyes whatsoever, and they live in caves and adapted to these caves. They can be found throughout Appalachia, primarily throughout Kentucky. 00:12:47 Speaker 6: Tennessee. 00:12:48 Speaker 5: Alabama has cave species. The one photographed here is called a spider cave crayfish from Florida. They're very small and they kind of look like spiders. They're about an inch long, so very unique adaptations and very unique kind of form that they come in. 00:13:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think when most folks picture a crayfish, they envision one that's red and like four inches long. But you know better than anybody that they call them in all sizes and colors. Tell us about some of the crayfish species that break the mold and might be really big or really small or very colorful. 00:13:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, so crayfish are very diverse. They're not just this boring brown or red bug that many people think they are. They can be at adult size absolutely massive. So maybe you have all seen Jeremy Wade go to Tasmania and find the giant freshwater lobster. That's a crayfish. So that's the type of crayfish. And they can get you know, absolutely massive, who two three feet in the length of Oh goodness. 00:13:47 Speaker 6: They're huge. 00:13:49 Speaker 5: They can also be really small, and so there's this group called the dwarf crayfishes where they kind of max out at about an inch, So you know, they come in all shapes in size. And then you also asked about the colors. They can be wildly colorful. They can be almost any color that you can imagine. Reds are very common, blues are very common, oranges, reds, kind of everything in between. They're very beautiful. Many of them aren't appreciated for their beauty. But you know, this is what a lot of the work that I try to do is to teach people about how cool and unique they are. 00:14:28 Speaker 1: You mentioned the three footers in Tasmania. What are the biggest ones that we have in the United States. 00:14:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say that the biggest species they're called bottle brush crayfishes. It's one of the images that you showed a few slides back. But they're these really big ones that are like the size of a big text, so you know, maybe ten inches or so long, and they can be found in only a few streams throughout Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama. Pretty rare but quite large species. They only live under massive rocks that are like the size of your car hood. 00:15:08 Speaker 1: Damn. Now, it's estimated that about one third of the world's crayfish species are at risk of extinction. What are their top threats in the United States. 00:15:19 Speaker 6: Yeah, so many of these crayfish they require a. 00:15:23 Speaker 5: Clean, nice environment to thrive, and so anytime that gets disturbed, you know, there's some issues for the crayfish, whether it be local extractive industries like mining timber industries that can kind of clog up the streams nearby. There's also a lot of invasive crayfish. So I know you all probably talk and know about invasive fish that are brought and travel around the world because humans put them there. The exact same deal has happened for crayfish. So invasive crayfish actually hurt native crayfish populations in many cases, so there's a lot of threats. 00:16:01 Speaker 1: That they face, Doctor Graham. Somebody who's watching this live in the chat asked a question about heavy metals that are found in crayfish. We always talk about mercury levels in fish that we catch and eat. Is that something we need to worry about with crustaceans like the crayfish. 00:16:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's less well studied in crayfish. It is well studied in smaller other aquatic invertebrates like stone flies and mayflies, and so that's where people, you know, try to mimic flies for fly fishing. But presumably the exact same thing is happening with the crayfish, where they're kind of absorbing it through their environment and consuming it throughout their environment as well. 00:16:45 Speaker 7: Doctor Graham, I get another question for states up north and like you know, eastern state states that get snow and ice once those lakes and rivers freeze, what are the crayfish doing that time of year. 00:16:59 Speaker 5: Yeah, So crayfish are kind of like most dominant in these types of temperate areas that have pretty serious winters, and what they do is they just burrow. So even the species that live in the stream, they'll dig down maybe six inches or one foot beneath the frost line, and they will kind of do like a little hibernation. 00:17:21 Speaker 6: More or less, is one of the best ways to put it. 00:17:23 Speaker 5: They'll sit there and just wade out until it's warmer and there's food available for them. 00:17:28 Speaker 4: And is it a water temperature thing that makes them do that or you know, and if so, what is that water temperature? 00:17:35 Speaker 5: Generally, yeah, it's probably a lot. It's probably a lot of factors. I wouldn't know the exact water temperature that they will start to do that, but I know, you know, in the Northeast for example, or really anywhere that's temperate. Once it starts hitting you know, air temperatures of forty degrees or so, the crayfish in the water, whatever the correlated water temperature would be, they start to be less active. 00:18:02 Speaker 4: Gotcha. 00:18:03 Speaker 1: Our listeners like to catch and cook crayfish, So give them some tips as a doctor who has studied crayfish behavior on how we can catch more of them. 00:18:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think some of the best tips that I would have are to put your traps. Most people are going to throw out of traps with you know, really any type of bait works. 00:18:22 Speaker 6: The smellier the better, though. 00:18:24 Speaker 5: I've used chicken livers and bacon and have great success with that. You need to put those trap out though, wherever the habitat, and so the crayfish like to hide under rocks and in little crevices and underlogged, so you need to put it where there's a. 00:18:40 Speaker 6: Lot of habitat. 00:18:41 Speaker 5: And also, if you get it during a specific time of year, look up when the crayfish around you are breeding. Once you get the breeding males, those are the ones with the biggest tails that are you know, the best eating essentially in many cases those ones, you know you want to look at when those are coming out. 00:18:58 Speaker 6: So it depends on where you're at. 00:19:01 Speaker 1: Okay, good notes. Now, our listeners also like to imitate crayfish when they're fishing for bass and trout. Give us some tips on how we can make those presentations look super lifelike. 00:19:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the crayfish they're typically on the bottom of whatever body of water you're fishing, and obviously they're you know, living on the stream bed or the riverbed, and so it's hard to kind of present a lore that stays down there where the crayfish normally reside. But what I often would suggest people to do. Is what crayfish will do is they'll also do something called a tail flip escape response. If you've ever tried to catch a crayfish with your hand and a creek, you know that they dart backwards and it's like one very quick movement, and so you can try to mimic that by doing you know, a specific type of jigging where you just you know, yank on your bait a little bit or your lore to try to mimic that, and that can sometimes trigger the fish to. 00:19:58 Speaker 6: Go after them. 00:20:00 Speaker 7: Do you find that, Let's say a small mouth when he's feeding, if he sees a crayfish with one claw, is he happy or is it or is it not matter to them? 00:20:11 Speaker 5: It does not matter that much, I've seen, but they will. I have seen bass when I'm snorkeling, for example, and I catch a crayfish, they'll come up and take the claws off and just eat those. Oh really, yeah, I've seen that a few times. Like they'll follow you around if you're catching crayfish, the bass will follow you around. Because I often snorkel, so I'm underwater with them and it's really amazing. But yeah, I think they would probably prefer to not have the claws, but I don't think it follows. 00:20:40 Speaker 7: There's been times when I've been using baits that mimic crayfish that I'll like cut one of the claws off just to make it seem like it's different. 00:20:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just safer, Yeah, a little safer to eat. 00:20:52 Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't. 00:20:53 Speaker 5: I don't think they mind too much, but you know, that'd be something really interesting to look into. 00:20:58 Speaker 1: Our listeners have one more question, and then I want to call out. They want to know if doctor Crayfish eats crayfish. 00:21:04 Speaker 5: So funnily enough, I am deathly allergic. Whoa, Yeah, it is a plot twist. I spend my entire life and day thinking about them. But if they get in my mouth, my throat swells and I will go to the hospital. Okay, so I do not eat them, but I condone eating them. I cook them for my friends when and whatnot. So it's a great way to kind of learn about them. 00:21:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, that's a good threat. I like that they have that power over you, that they could kill you if they just make it in your mouth. 00:21:38 Speaker 6: It's very ironic. I think it's kind of meant to be all right. 00:21:41 Speaker 1: Doctor Graham's Crayfish Crawfish Crawdad dropped last month and it's available wherever books are. So doctor Graham, thanks for joining us. 00:21:48 Speaker 6: Yep, thank you all appreciate it. 00:21:50 Speaker 3: Thanks. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: Before the show, Seth was telling me about a theory he has on a certain body of water where he thinks the crayfish are making the wall live fishery much better. At that time, you tell us about it. You don't have to tell us a body of water. 00:22:04 Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I just I just found certain times a year, when the water hits a certain temp, these fish are staging on rock. And I got to thinking, and I got to do some research and found out that like around here, that same water temp that I'm finding where these fish are staging is like potentially the same water temp where crayfish are coming out of hibernation. Okay, so that made me think that maybe that's why these bigger whiley are are staging on these rock on this rock to target crayfish coming out. So I don't know if that's accurate or not, but I feel like it is. 00:22:39 Speaker 1: I bought my first crayfish fly last summer, did not catch a trout on it. But I sure tried a lot of trout looked at it and they thought, now that that guy's an idiot. 00:22:48 Speaker 4: He has no idea cut a claw off of it. 00:22:50 Speaker 1: Will next time there. 00:22:51 Speaker 8: I want to know. 00:22:53 Speaker 3: I want to know why bottom feeders are so delicious crayfish, crabs, lobsters, carb bourbon. This is something I was doing some research. There's I wasn't satisfied research by tasting them, tasting and actual like Google googling. Sure, but I want to know why. 00:23:15 Speaker 1: All of our listeners now are going to be better at catching crayfish and catching fish that eat crayfish. All right, Our next segment is Hot tip Off. 00:23:28 Speaker 4: That's saltyt That's salty. 00:23:39 Speaker 1: Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to radio at the medeater dot com with the subject line hot tip Off. This week it's Austin Rhinds versus Mark de Groot and they are competing for a one hundred dollars Meat Eater store gift card. Take it away, Phil. 00:24:05 Speaker 9: Marked your croot, Hey meat eater, coming at you today with a hot tip off. My hot tip is to use a car port instead of a wall ten. I picked up a carport on clearance for one hundred and fifty bucks and we brought it into the shop here and we did some retro fits to it. We permanently connected some of the joints, we labeled and made quick attached fasteners for the other joints just using bolts and wing nuts, and some of the pieces of pipe we eliminated them all together and replaced them with some PBC condo it to make it a lot lighter. So now we take a carport up to Bear Camp with us every year and in about fifteen minutes we've got the whole thing thrown up and installed. It's rigid, strong, it's a good place to keep our gear nice and dry, and uh sometimes it's just a good place to get away from the mosquitoes. So that's my hot tip is to use a car fork instead of a Walton's. 00:25:12 Speaker 4: Austin rides am I editor Crue. 00:25:18 Speaker 10: This is Austin from Arkansas, and I got a hot tip for y'all. I'm preparing some goose for this weekend that we killed this season. I got some cube up right here that we're gonna put on some kebabs. And then I got some whole breast that I'm gonna pan s here and roast in the oven with some potatoes and some carrots and stuff. And man, I just love to lead the skin on my goose, my duck. It just makes it more flavorful, more moist. You get a little crisp on there. I just think it's altogether better. The only problem you run into is you get all these these pin feathers on here, I mean, and they are just a headache to take off. And there's all sorts of methods. I see people that burn them off. I see people that pluck them by hand, and all that just takes time. Burning them stinks and it just gets meticulous. So what I thought of, I went down the dollar store by the old cheap raizor just the cheapest one you can find, and you just take this, take this goose right here, and just. 00:26:17 Speaker 4: Give them a little shaved shave goose. It's a little shave just all over. 00:26:21 Speaker 6: He don't need no shaving cream, he don't care anymore. You just shave him. 00:26:25 Speaker 10: Don't worry I have to worry about nicking them. And then I mean, this thing gets clogged up. 00:26:31 Speaker 4: He just rints it off. I mean, look at that. 00:26:33 Speaker 10: I mean they're just coming off and it is just this one's already done. I mean, not a pin hair on that thing. 00:26:40 Speaker 4: Look at that. 00:26:42 Speaker 10: So that's my tip for y'all. Hope y'all like it. 00:26:45 Speaker 4: Y'all have a good one. 00:26:47 Speaker 1: Okay. The live chat is going to decide who wins the one hundred dollars Media to Store gift card. Phil is going to put up a pull between markh the carport wall tent man and Austin the duck best razor. 00:27:01 Speaker 4: Pull is live. We'll give you a minute or two here. 00:27:04 Speaker 1: Maggie, what do you think who would get your vote? Between Mark with the waltent and Austin with the razor man. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: Wal tents are expensive. 00:27:13 Speaker 3: I've been looking into wal tents and like, now I'm gonna start looking at Facebook marketplace for carports. 00:27:20 Speaker 2: But also I want to try shaving a duck or goose. 00:27:25 Speaker 11: Now. 00:27:26 Speaker 2: I like them both. I think I think they're both good tips. 00:27:29 Speaker 1: You gotta vote for one. 00:27:30 Speaker 3: I'm skeptical of the shaving. Okay, so I'm going carport all right, I'm skeptical until I try it. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: He showed us some evidence there on the cell phone video that certainly had some feathers that the razor caught. But we'll see, Seth. What do you think Mark or Austin? Personally, I think this is the closest one, Like they're hot tips. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:27:52 Speaker 7: Typically, I'm like, I know, I'm going with this one for sure. Yeah, but this one, I'm like, Man, I have to think about both. But at the end of the day, I like being frugal, and the carport wall tent I think takes a w for me Ka just because it's simple, it's it's cheap and seems like it would work. 00:28:12 Speaker 1: Two votes for the carport wall tent. I'm gonna give it to the duck breast razor that that did look pretty effective to me, and that's a situation that it'd be nice to have a very effective way to get those or they pin feathers what are they called to get their small feathers out of the fat of a duck breast. Mark's carport wall tent extremely well done. That looked to me like some buddies who wanted to get together for you know, like six nights in a month and drink some bush lights. Yeah, and have a little project to work on. And that's a lot of fun. I love that Mark did that, and I trust that that gets some good use at bear Camp. Both very hot tips. So on that note, we are going to empty the clip on hot tips for our very last episode. We may have five or six or ten of these matchups, so you only have a couple weeks left to send us your hot tips at radio at the medeater dot com. Again, it should be a one minute video on your phone. Shoot it vertically for us, and then if you have a good one that gets submitted, we're going to use it in that very last episode, So get those sent to us. Phil, what is the chat think? 00:29:20 Speaker 4: I'm going to give him thirty more seconds because it's close enough that the tide could turn in that amount of time. So, okay, I'm not voted in the live chat. Get your votes in. You have a few more seconds left. 00:29:29 Speaker 1: Okay, where does it currently stand? 00:29:31 Speaker 4: Currently? Still, I'll tell you the split that I'm not going to tell you who's winning the first place contested? Is that only a fifty two percent. 00:29:39 Speaker 1: That is close car clothes could swing it. You should see that carport wall tent you can. You can see that on the mediater podcast YouTube channel. Mark was gracious enough to show it in action at bear Camp. 00:29:52 Speaker 4: Wonder how it does in the wind. 00:29:53 Speaker 1: I was wondering that too. You know, it's it's not going to function just like a wall tent, but you know a good place to maybe cook it or store gear out of the rain. 00:30:02 Speaker 7: And I guess if it just gets totally demolished by the wind, you could just go buy another one for that's one hundred whatever. 00:30:08 Speaker 1: Dollars, start another buddy project in your garage. 00:30:11 Speaker 4: It is now tied. Oh no, as soon as I see someone jump up and the poll, all right, what do we got? It was meant to be because this person wasn't the lead for the entire thing. With fifty one percent of the vote, just barely, I think by maybe one vote. The winner is Austin with the goose shaving. 00:30:29 Speaker 1: Okay, he is going to get the one hundred dollars media the gift card. That is the closest hot tip off we've ever had. Seth identified it that way, and the chat agreed two very hot tips from Mark and Austin. All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say? 00:30:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is from Spencer question for the crew. I have an alligator ero amount skull which is drying and splitting up the noes. Is there something I can put on this skull to keep it from drying or cracking up the snout? Thank you? 00:31:00 Speaker 3: Maybe like some bees wax or something bees wax would be good. 00:31:06 Speaker 1: I have no idea. 00:31:07 Speaker 4: You know we were talking about earlier. 00:31:10 Speaker 7: There's this group of dudes that hunt or dig for fossils in Montana, dinosaur fossils, and they use that paleo glue. It's sort when they expose a bone, they hit it with that like right away, so it doesn't like dry out and crack. I wonder if something like that would work. 00:31:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, on a lot of Like there's some fossils I find that come out of the ground very moist, and then they take a lot of time to dry, and in that time they will kind of like get warped like they'll they'll if they were straight before now they're shaped like a U. I hit a lot of those with lacquer right at the beginning. I don't know if I'm doing it good. I've seen other paleontologists do a similar thing like Seth is talking about. So we don't have the perfect answer for you there, Spencer. You're gonna have to experiment and and find out for yourself. But bees, wax, lacquer, pale glue. Those are the three recommendations from us. What else you got? 00:32:02 Speaker 4: Phil Master Chief John Halo himself asks, are y'all doing trivia at the NWTF after party again this year? 00:32:09 Speaker 3: We are. 00:32:10 Speaker 1: We will be there. That after party is on Friday night. It will be me, Jannie Klay, Newcombe, Brent Reeves. We will be hosting the after party and there will be some trivia that is done by the audience. That means you guys are answering questions about yourselves at the game we call meat poll. So we will have trivia there. And if that's not enticing enough to get you out there again, come shake Clay Newcomb's hand and tell them a bear hunting. 00:32:36 Speaker 4: Story Timee's lines has a simple question, do you guys have some summer fishing trips planned that you're excited about? 00:32:44 Speaker 1: Mm hmm, what do you got? Seith? 00:32:47 Speaker 7: Well, just hitting local stuff here of course, for some bass and walleye, and then heading out to Saginaw Bay to do some fishing. What I'm here, that'll be in June. 00:33:01 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:33:01 Speaker 4: I'll be a little film thing too. 00:33:03 Speaker 1: That'll be fun, so you guys will be able to watch that at some point, Maggie, fishing trips. 00:33:08 Speaker 3: I'm taking my niece on her first backpack in that country fishing trip. 00:33:12 Speaker 1: How old? 00:33:12 Speaker 2: Nice she'll be five five? 00:33:15 Speaker 1: Is she ready? 00:33:16 Speaker 2: She's ready? 00:33:17 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:33:17 Speaker 3: She doesn't know anything about fishing or backpacking, but perfect. 00:33:21 Speaker 2: She'll have a good time. 00:33:22 Speaker 1: Any other big trips this summer not planned. 00:33:25 Speaker 3: I'll get up in the mountains, we'll take the boat out. I'm bad at planning ahead, but there will be fishing. 00:33:32 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:33:32 Speaker 4: Cool. 00:33:33 Speaker 1: My two big fishing trips this summer. I'm going to go to the Columbia River in Oregon and catch some white sturgeon. I've never done that before. Metafela at a donut shop in Oregon a few years ago, and he said, if you ever want to come catch our big old white sturgeon, hit me up. And whenever someone offers me something like that, I say, don't offer that unless you're willing for me to take it. Take you up on that offer, because I'm gonna do it, and I did. I'm gonna go visit him and we're gonna catch some big old sturgeon. The other one is I'm going to go to the Boundary Waters this summer as well. I spent a couple of days there last year, just passing through on my way to Asle Royal, and I loved it so much I started planning my next trip right away. So and make a solo trip out there with my kayaks. Try to get into some bass and walleye and some panfish sounds fun cook them up while I'm there, Phill, Let's do a couple. 00:34:22 Speaker 4: More yeah, free crank asks. Can we still get radio live like once a month or once a season, maybe special events, maybe for deer season or elk season or spring turkey? 00:34:31 Speaker 1: What do you think, Phil, Yeah, we can do that. 00:34:34 Speaker 4: We had a few times we flirted with. 00:34:37 Speaker 1: The idea of maybe doing some primetime radio lives, you know, maybe like a six pm show a few times a year. We don't have anything set in stone yet, but radio live we've we've talked about it as its sunsetting not dying, so you know the sun rises again. 00:34:55 Speaker 4: That's what they say about people with alzheimer. 00:34:58 Speaker 1: I didn't know that one. 00:35:00 Speaker 4: Let's see, just found out. This is from Nate. Just found out that Unit two goose season in South Dakota goes till February fourteenth. Do I take a trip to chase Honkers on Valentine's Day or keep my marriage intact? What would you do? 00:35:13 Speaker 2: Take your sweetheart with you? 00:35:14 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:35:15 Speaker 4: Obvious answer. Yeah, unless she absolutely hates it. It's probably not how she wants to spend her Valentine's Day if she has other interests. 00:35:22 Speaker 2: South Dakota's for lovers, right, that's as they say. 00:35:27 Speaker 1: Is it Virginia? 00:35:28 Speaker 7: Actually yes? 00:35:29 Speaker 4: Ohio, I don't know. 00:35:31 Speaker 3: I saw somebody ask on there about have Alena hunting tips? 00:35:35 Speaker 7: Phil. 00:35:36 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw that question. 00:35:39 Speaker 4: If you want to know, summarize the question. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: No, I just want to let him know to keep an eye out that. 00:35:45 Speaker 3: We got an article about that from Jim Heffelfinger coming on the site. Okay, should be live today or tomorrow, depending on how much work I get done after this. 00:35:57 Speaker 1: You can now get in the record books with the big old Halvellina. 00:36:00 Speaker 4: We'll do one more here, Well, let me see if Yeah, we've got our next guest waiting, so we'll do one more. 00:36:05 Speaker 7: Here. 00:36:05 Speaker 4: Say is for Seth from Garrison. Question for Seth. I'm studying forestry in college and I'm realizing that it's not really something I want to do for living. Oh how did you go from your forestry degree to breaking into another industry? Well, what I'm doing now is just kind of a hobby. So you're getting paid for Yeah, No, I I planned on doing. 00:36:30 Speaker 7: Forestry stuff for most of my life and then would picked up a camera and started shooting photos on the side, and kind of one thing led to another, and here I am so. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: Not really in your will. 00:36:43 Speaker 7: I didn't experience what your experience. I kind of wanted to be a forester all through college, but I don't know. It's not too late to change. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: One thing, I'd say to Garrison. We've talked about this before on trivia. We had a trivia question about this profession in the United States has the happiest people. This was a stat that pulled I don't remember how many dozens of different careers and the number one happiest profession was foresters. So Garrison may maybe think about how happy that would make you versus doing something. 00:37:17 Speaker 4: I will say. 00:37:18 Speaker 7: On day one the forestry school, our professor said, how many raise your hand if you guys would like to make a decent amount of money someday, And like everyone raised their hands. She goes, you've chose the wrong major. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: That's what they say to all the fun majors. 00:37:36 Speaker 4: That's but you're outside all the time, so it's great. 00:37:40 Speaker 7: There you go. 00:37:42 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna do our next interview. 00:37:44 Speaker 3: Now, all right, we got Emily Davis. She's a PhD student at the University of Wyoming currently studying how wolves, kyletes, and red foxes coexist and the Greater Yellowstone Eco System. 00:38:01 Speaker 2: Emily, Welcome to Radio Live. 00:38:05 Speaker 3: Hello, thanks for having me. Glad you're here. Are you currently out and about in the field. 00:38:13 Speaker 11: Yeah, we're out digging out traps because it snowed a foot over the night last night, so wow, wouldn't have allowed any foxes to get in. But those are all the people doing the real work over there. They just got dumped on by snow from a tree too, so perfect for the camera. But yeah, we're out, finally able to ski. They drug this trap in yesterday over dirt, so it's nice to have a foot of snow on the ground. 00:38:37 Speaker 2: Makes it a little easier. 00:38:38 Speaker 3: Huh. Well, tell us a little bit about your research and why you're trapping foxes. 00:38:43 Speaker 11: Yeah, so this project has kind of been coming into itself for a long time. The park has historically monitored foxes across the landscape. Because foxes are really cute, people have learned to feed them. That in turn has allowed foxes to become pretty habituated and learn how to sit for food in. 00:39:04 Speaker 8: A lot of cases. 00:39:05 Speaker 11: And so, actually, my previous lab Mae Emily burke Holder also my best friend, actually study the red fox population in Grand Teton and looked at how they used human areas. But this project specifically includes coyotes and wolves to kind of expand on this idea of trophic interactions from the large predator to the smallest predator, to see how they interact on the landscape, how they share space, time, and food. There's this historic understanding that you know, wolves reintroduced thirty years ago, and this idea that when wolves come in they decrease the meso predator population or coyotes through competition. And prior to that, anecdotally there's a lot more coyotes on the landscape, but through wolf reintroduction, the kyotepopulation has anecdotally been limited, which has allowed the red fox population to rebound. And so while that's a really beautiful story and I think it's awesome to think about, it's probably way more nuanced than that. So we are finally at this time where we have enough technology to get really fine scale data on these animals. So we have collars on wolves, coyotes, and red foxes, hence the trapping that are all synced up at the same time, so we can actually get where they are at the land where they are on the landscape. We also are doing backtracking to collect their scat to get DNA at a bar coding done on their diet to see how often they share resources or don't share resources across the park and the greater landscape. We're using anonymized cell phone data to get at human pressure on these animals because the park, although beautiful and seemingly serene, obviously has a lot of visitors and very heavy visitation in the summer, so I'm sure that makes an impact on how they share the landscape. And we're just incorporating a lot of cool technology that hasn't really been available before to ask these questions, and a lot of the questions have previously asked are very coarse and just like where are wolves in this area? Where are foxes in this area? But we're really diving deep, deep into it. 00:41:02 Speaker 3: That's awesome, And your research is pretty much conducted during the winter months, right you guys aren't out here trapping in the warmer months of the year. 00:41:12 Speaker 11: Yeah, we trap foxes in the winter because bears are out in the summer. And I think it would be and we use really smelly lower gusto and which is skunkluer and red fox luer, but the bears would probably be keyed into that pretty heavily, and we don't want a little fox stuck in a trap while there's a bear around. 00:41:30 Speaker 8: That would be pretty horrible. 00:41:32 Speaker 11: But yeah, they it's also their breeding season right now. So we've caught six this year so far. We have fourteen more callers to put out. We caught fifteen last year for callers, and so we're hoping it picks up and we're hoping they're starting to seek their mates out. The snow was a bit of a change, so hopefully they'll come out tonight because the snow's a bit heavy. But yeah, most of our most of the fun works in the winter, and it's been pretty awesome to skier around out here. We do have some summer work checking cameras and stuff, but most of it's. 00:41:58 Speaker 10: In the winter. 00:42:00 Speaker 7: Emily. 00:42:00 Speaker 1: In July, there was a lot of coverage of the park and a specific fox there. The New York Times, among other places, had a headline Beware of Swiper, a fox at Grand Teeton Park who steals shoes. Are you familiar with that fox and can you tell us more about him or her? 00:42:17 Speaker 11: Yes, we are familiar with that fox. That was the second fox we trapped last year. Our name for him is actually Lee Roy or in joking terms, Leroy, because he was trapped up near Lizard Creek campground and actually two of the people that are here right now went and found I think. 00:42:37 Speaker 8: Three shoes for him. But he's he's collared and he's. 00:42:41 Speaker 11: Actually a pretty trapped, happy fox. So we caught him this year, recollared him. But yeah, I heard that. I heard a trivia question from you guys about him, and my boyfriend was like, call him up, tell him his real name, and I get Swipers, like a pretty good name for him, but we call him Leroy and he's he's a pretty funny fox interact with. But the people would ask me questions about like what's it about, Like do they cashed and stuff, And we just think he's got a fetish for shoes because they didn't find like a pile of shoes or anything. We think he's just messing with people, and they're kind of, you know, funny in that way. We've seen some interesting behaviors of them. We actually had He's not the only fox to steal something urtech. Jess had makes her own Kinko gloves with like pictures on them, and we usually set them on the ground to put our phone on to get awesome videos of their release. Yeah, this is the fox and she that fox got released, immediately went to Jess's phone, stole that Kinko glove, ran off. We have an awesome video of us all slow mowing running off after the Fox couldn't find them in the project bought Jess Moore gloves, but I like to think we like to think that she had it up in her den as like artwork. So but yeah, they're weird little animals. 00:43:59 Speaker 2: Great stories of about Larroi. 00:44:03 Speaker 3: But before your PhD work, you did some really cool research with your master's degree as well with bears. 00:44:10 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:44:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, can you talk about some of the stuff you did with bears for your masters For sure. 00:44:16 Speaker 11: I've been really lucky to have two really awesome projects and through the University of Wyoming with my advisor Joe Holbrook. So my PhD works in collaboration with Game and Fish is mostly primarily with Granteeton National Park, and then my master's work was collaborative with Wyoming Game and Fish. And so the reason that project came about, we call our black bears and we looked at their movements. But the reason that project came about was actually shockingly, hunters came to the American Bear Foundation founder Joe Condilas and Game and Fish and we're like, you know, we can't get large males over bait sites, so it'd be awesome if you guys could figure. 00:44:51 Speaker 8: That out for us. 00:44:52 Speaker 11: And of course hunters know tons about bear behavior. So what we found when I talked to hunters, they're like, yeah, no crap obviously. But that project started in conjunction with American Beer Foundation to kind of understand male behavior around risk taking and bait sites. But it also started because Wyoming wanted to understand population dynamics of black bears across the state because that hasn't been done, and so they started collaring females I think in twenty fifteen to get their home range size, to put hair snare work out to do demographics on them, and then I got attached onto the project, mainly primarily for the caller data. And so we we have one chapter published, which is awesome. That chapter is pretty nerdy and not super fun to talk about with anyone besides people that want to nerd about how cool bears. 00:45:38 Speaker 8: Are and how individually varied they are. 00:45:41 Speaker 11: But our second chapter is currently in review, and that chapter is looking at how bears take risk around bait sites. And it's a pretty cool way to ask this question because obviously bears are hunted, so there's risk, there's mortality risk on the landscape for this large carnivore obviously, but they bait creates this uni dynamic where this there's this high reward area too, and so what we actually found was males did avoid baits more than females, and both sexes actually shifted to using bait sites more at night. Males also shifted more at night, so we kind of found that there is this difference in mortality risk across the black bear population. And there's the bait site information was from the Big Horn Mountains and the Laramie Range specifically the other chapters on the whole state. 00:46:29 Speaker 8: But we found that. 00:46:32 Speaker 11: Males probably handle mortality risk a little differently than females and younger bears, probably because you know, hunters don't want to shoot young females, even though they're hard to tell sometimes unless you have a really really knowledgeable hunter that's. 00:46:46 Speaker 8: Over a bait with you. But yeah, so it's pretty interesting to see. 00:46:49 Speaker 11: That young female bears are interacting with that high reward food source more than males. And we also found that obviously hunting pressure varies greatly in the from the spring to the fall, especially in the Big Horn Mountains where people can't sometimes put out baits differently, and Wyoming has a female quota system, so it kind of depends on if how many females are getting shot at that time, if people are going to shoot the first bear they see. But we found that bears are actually more likely to engage with baits during fall during hyperphasia when they want more food, which we had originally hypothesized that you'd take less risk when you have more fat, more food. 00:47:27 Speaker 8: More resources. 00:47:28 Speaker 11: But bears are always doing things differently than we expect, which is why I love them. They're kind of a pain to study, but they actually engaged more with bait sites, which makes a lot of sense when you think about a fat bear eating all the time prepping for denning, which is what we got to do too. 00:47:45 Speaker 7: But yeah, Emily, back to the fox trapping. I'm a trapper myself, so I'm really interested in this. What kind of sets are you using, What kind of traps are you using? And I know you mentioned Gusta, which I'm real familiar with. What other stuff like, what other types of baits and lures are you using? 00:48:04 Speaker 8: Yeah, we use so we use Tomahawk traps. 00:48:07 Speaker 11: We trap in the park, so we're restricted to box Trapskay, They're they're bobcat traps from Tomahawk, you know, the like real skinny ones. Because foxes are real skinny. We use Gusto, which we think pulls them in pretty good. And I just want to shout out to my field team here, Austin Lindsay and Jess because they're the ones doing. 00:48:24 Speaker 8: The real work. But you know, they've they've been out there sticking their hands. 00:48:28 Speaker 11: And gusto and red fox lure, which is that disgusting, sweet smelling lure. 00:48:32 Speaker 8: But yeah, without snow, it's been harder. 00:48:34 Speaker 11: But we've been we know, set the traps up, We put pine boughs around them to create a cozy little home for them, and uh, we use roadkill ground up road killing little bait balls to try to entice them. But we hope that the bait entices them to go on the back of the trap and then really the lure is what's pulling them in from afar uh. But so far it's been pretty successful. They had a lot of success with it when Emily was first trapping here. Obviously, we've got a bigger crew and we have skis, so we're able to get a little bit further away from areas off the roads in the park. Oh and one big thing for trapping is we've noticed that fox urine is really helpful. 00:49:12 Speaker 8: We actually just have a. 00:49:13 Speaker 11: Giant gallon of it that we refill a little sauce bottles that you buy at Target, and we spray it around and we're always talking to each other about like, oh we need pea and the people that come out with us. 00:49:28 Speaker 4: Another question, are you catching bobcats at all in those sets? 00:49:31 Speaker 7: No? 00:49:32 Speaker 8: Actually, no, and we don't. We've never seen a bobcat on camera. 00:49:36 Speaker 11: We actually this year, first time, we actually had two different mountainlines coming to do different traps and eat a little bit of food up front. 00:49:43 Speaker 8: So that's surprising. 00:49:44 Speaker 11: It's been a weird winner though usually we're not getting anything but foxes and a ton of Martins. Martin's are problem children off the park, so we catch them a lot, but this it's been a weird winner, so it's just been hard to predict. But no, we don't get we don't even get bobcats on cameras. 00:50:00 Speaker 1: Really a what about wolverines? Do they ever interact with your sets? 00:50:05 Speaker 3: No? 00:50:06 Speaker 11: I think all of us would be so excited if we saw wolverine on camera. And actually, our helicopter crew that flew for us last year because they they helicopter fly and capture for wolves and coyotes, they actually saw wolverine from above, but none of us have been lucky enough to get that on camera. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: So well, thanks so much for taking the time to chat with us. 00:50:29 Speaker 3: Emily, I hope you guys catch some foxes tonight and look forward to seeing when those next few interesting chapters of your research get published. 00:50:41 Speaker 8: Awesome. Thanks and Maggie, you gotta come out with us. You gotta work up of fox with us. They're pretty fun. 00:50:46 Speaker 2: Will do I would love to? 00:50:48 Speaker 8: Awesome? Okay, thank you, Thanks you guys. 00:50:52 Speaker 1: Meg you got to take her up on that offer. 00:50:54 Speaker 2: I know I want to. 00:50:55 Speaker 4: That was a real offer, it was. That sounds like a fun job. 00:50:59 Speaker 7: Mm hmm. 00:51:00 Speaker 1: Beautiful scene that she was in there today. 00:51:02 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:51:02 Speaker 1: Just fresh snow on the mountains. 00:51:04 Speaker 3: Which is surprising because she's about an hour north of me and it's been mud season winter. 00:51:11 Speaker 2: It is a we have not had a foot of snow on the ground. 00:51:14 Speaker 1: It's about snow. 00:51:16 Speaker 7: If those bears like out and about with this weather, if they just go in and you know, even though it's warm, should ask for. 00:51:25 Speaker 4: That next next. 00:51:28 Speaker 1: All right, Moving on, Our next segment is meat Eater's Price is right. 00:51:35 Speaker 9: Here. 00:51:36 Speaker 4: It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most exciting ten minutes. It's the price is right Chef Morris, come on now, Snaggy Hublow, come on down contestants on media radios. The price is right now, here's your host, Spencer new. 00:52:02 Speaker 1: It always brings it all right, This game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the meat Eater universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again, and the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer, we'll get a shout out. All right, there are three products up for bid today, Phil, get it started. 00:52:31 Speaker 4: Our first item up for bid today is a blue tarp from Harbor Freight. At eleven feet by eleven feet, this iconic cobalt colored tart gives you one hundred and twenty one square feet of coverage. It's waterproof and weather proof. Laughing in the face of rainstow and wind. 00:52:45 Speaker 1: Ha ha. 00:52:46 Speaker 4: What will you do with yours? Cover a grill, maybe keep firewood dry, build an emergency shelter, or let it blow into your neighbor's yard. The possibilities are tarpless, but. 00:52:55 Speaker 1: They won't be tarpless any longer if your price is right, Seth and Maggie, what does that eleven foot buy? Eleven foot blue tarp from Harbor Freight cost. Don't watch the chat too close because the chat likes to cheat. 00:53:11 Speaker 2: Dude, I can't hardly read that far. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: There's not good students. So Phil is going to keep an eye on the chat though, and see who can get closest. Uh, Seth, when's the last time that you brought that you bought a blue tarp? 00:53:24 Speaker 7: Um? Trying to think within the last year. Uh not within the last year, in the last two years. Uh No, I wouldn't even say in the last two year. I have several, but I bought them several years ago and they just keep it. I have a couple that I need to replace. Actually, so maybe I'll be buying one in twenty six and actually I'm sure I will be. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: When's the last time you bought a blue tarp? 00:53:48 Speaker 2: A blue tarp? Blue tarp they just exist in the garage. You don't buy blue tarps. 00:53:54 Speaker 3: There's just showing just an endless pile of blue tarps that you grab. 00:53:59 Speaker 1: From that's right, of all different sizes, and some of them have paint on them. Yeah, some are missing the little rivet. You know where you tie things down. Yeah, everyone's garage just has a blue tart portal that produces them. So we're going to see who knows the price. It's eleven foot by eleven foot? Are you two ready? 00:54:18 Speaker 4: Ready? 00:54:19 Speaker 1: Go ahead and reveal your answer. Set says nine ninety five Maggie's twenty. 00:54:26 Speaker 2: Two dollars eleven plus eleven. 00:54:29 Speaker 1: The correct answer is nine nine. 00:54:34 Speaker 4: Four pennies off. 00:54:36 Speaker 1: Well done, Set, That is going to be hard to beat. How did the chat, new Fiel? 00:54:40 Speaker 3: Oh? 00:54:40 Speaker 4: Pretty well, we had several correct answers round the money from Harrison, Mike js Co, Ryan Daniel. 00:54:48 Speaker 1: Great job, everybody, a lot of blue tart purchasers out there knowing that they cost exactly nine ninety nine. That gives seth Morris the first point in today's game of prices? 00:54:59 Speaker 4: Right Art, Phil? 00:55:00 Speaker 1: What's next? 00:55:01 Speaker 2: Told you it's going to be bad at this game? 00:55:05 Speaker 4: Is your grand foyer feeling a little empty? Well, how about adding this one of a kind piece to it. Our next item up forbid is an entire pleasiosaur skeleton. Wow Jesus. This seventy million year old dinosaur was found in the Sahara Desert of northern Africa. It measures eighteen feet and weighs five hundred pounds, which actually makes it a small specimen for a species that grows fifty feet long. It has an elegantly long neck, streamlined marine body for a dramatic paddle like flippers, and a fierce tooth lined jaw. This isn't just a conversation piece. It's a conservation center piece. 00:55:39 Speaker 1: Oh that was a type of Oh it's supposed to be conver yeah, conversation. 00:55:43 Speaker 4: Okay, let's just take that again. This isn't just a conversation piece. It's a conversation center piece. 00:55:50 Speaker 1: That's right, Phil, And this Jurassic piece of sea life can be yours if the price is right. Seth and Maggie, what do you think it costs to own an entire dinosa? 00:56:01 Speaker 3: I was? 00:56:02 Speaker 4: I was, this is like a little hint. 00:56:04 Speaker 7: I guess, but I was, uh, the hell creek cooligaan Instagram page what we were talking about. I saw they sold t rex too the other day for like thirty five grand Oh wow, okay, oh okay, it helps you at all. 00:56:17 Speaker 1: Seth has a reference. This is it's eighteen feet long and weighs five hundred pounds. And this was priced by the fine folks at the Fossil Shack in Utah. They do great work. If anyone in our listening audience is looking to purchase an entire dang dinosaur, they have multiple for sale. 00:56:37 Speaker 2: Good to know. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, Maggie and Seth, do you have your answer? Yes, go ahead and reveal your answer. Set says four point two million. Maggie says three point one million. The correct answer is lower than both of those. Take another stab at it so we know it's less than three million dollars. They're coming up with their second batch of answers, an entire pleaseosaur skeleton. Maggie, are you ready reveal your answers? Seth says one point eight million. Maggie says one point seven The correct answer is lower than both of the fs. Take another swing at it. We have had three tries before in the prices right, we have never had four. We'll see if we can set a record with Seth and Maggie today he is less than one point seven million. Seth has his answer, Maggie, do you have yours? Those are all fail Your answer Maggie says one dollar less than a million, and Seth says one dollar. 00:57:43 Speaker 4: Like a strategy. 00:57:44 Speaker 1: The correct answer is four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, giving Seth sec points and the victory. He was only four hundred and seventy five thousand dollars off, but that was good enough. 00:57:58 Speaker 4: That size cheaper. It's way cheaper, and I thought that is cheaper. We have several people get pretty close, but the closest without going over, I believe, was wonder Weld's with four forty. 00:58:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, well done. 00:58:11 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go buy one of those tonight. 00:58:12 Speaker 1: I mean, if we all pitched in, maybe, Yeah, Seth has two points, he's wrapped up to victory. We'll see if he can get the clean sweep and get this third one correct as well. All right, Phil, what do we have next? 00:58:27 Speaker 4: Are you struggling to find the perfect last minute gift for your Valentine? 00:58:31 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:58:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well how about getting them sixty pounds of live crayfish, which everyone knows is the most romantic of the freshwater crustaceans. Of course, these live mudbugs would make our first guest today proud. They are rushed to your door with overnight shipping straight from Louisiana. This sixty pound batch has roughly twelve hundred crayfish that will feed ten to twenty people. Order by four pm today to have them in time for Valentine's here's the fine print. Due to DNR restrictions, we can't ship to Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Michigan, Illinois was content. Pensylvania, Minnesota. Organ Laberqui's crafish transportament included that fine print reading was so great. 00:59:04 Speaker 1: If you don't know, on TV, they always speed that up. They hit it like, you know, times two point twenty five speed. Phil, he just did that all organic. I was sixty pounds, sixty pounds of live crayfish. 00:59:17 Speaker 4: I got my calculated getting shipped right to your door. 00:59:20 Speaker 1: Oh and we're not kidding. We're not kidding about them being the most sexy shellfish. In Jamaican culture, crawdads are considered an aphrodisiac, with local lore saying that eating crayfish will help you get lucky. Phil, Can you deliver this next line with a Jamaican accent? 00:59:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to hear you. Yeah, mon, gonna get my Valentine. Some crawdaddies on love. 00:59:45 Speaker 1: Couldn't trip up Phil. Phil did not want to do the Jamaican accent. He said that would get him canceled, And Phil is I know cancelable? 00:59:53 Speaker 3: What if? 00:59:53 Speaker 1: What if? 00:59:53 Speaker 10: Phil? 00:59:54 Speaker 1: What if I was like singing along to Shaggy and I it was very respectful and honor bull and I'm peer of heart. 01:00:01 Speaker 2: Singing along to Shaggy be respectful enough. 01:00:04 Speaker 1: Of course, if you're singing you know it wasn't me. Of course you could do that, Peer of Heart. It's a song about cheating. 01:00:10 Speaker 4: Will let you do that during the finale extravaganda? 01:00:13 Speaker 1: Oh okay, right, so Phil says, it's okay. That's that's when it's fine. 01:00:16 Speaker 4: Well, we've we've we've blocked out three hours for Shaggy karaoke. 01:00:19 Speaker 1: So now you are bidding on an extra Spicy batch, which is their hottest option. The shipping cost is calculated as though they're arriving at Meat Eater HQ. So it's sixty pounds of live crayfish Extra spicy getting shipped overnight right here to our front door. 01:00:39 Speaker 2: How are they live and extra spicy? 01:00:41 Speaker 1: I imagine they send you a pack with it that you add to the boil afterwards. I don't think they're pre seasoning the live crayfish. Yeah, I don't know that. 01:00:49 Speaker 4: I'm gonna call him out because he's a he's a I've seen his name in the chat a lot. He watches the show many weeks. His name's Garrett Spranger, and I know that he cheated. So Garrett, shame on you. I'm calling you out. 01:01:01 Speaker 1: Okay, you've been identified sixty pounds and this this Seth, you said you are looking for the perfect Valentine's Gift live crayfish. 01:01:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's too late. 01:01:11 Speaker 1: It's not And when I said four pm, that means four pm tomorrow for our podcast. They will literally get it to you overnight. I don't I don't understand how they pull that off. But the perfect Valentine's Gift is awaiting you. Do you have your answers? Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth says three hundred and sixty dollars he got out of his calculator to do his math. Maggie says two hundred and forty dollars. The correct answer is six hundred and forty eight dollars, twice the price that Seth thought it was, but good enough to give him the point and the clean. 01:01:46 Speaker 4: Sweet, clean, sweet all now that that is wrong. 01:01:54 Speaker 1: Six hundred twenty dollars for the crayfish and twenty eight dollars for the overnight shipping. 01:02:00 Speaker 4: That's right. I see Garrett included the price without the shipping, and he got it right on the money. So that's why I'm calling him out. Maybe he's just incredibly smart. He's a rain man over there, but I would see two f fast guests six twenty five and we had somebody else guests six hundred rob. 01:02:14 Speaker 1: So thanks for playing along, everybody, and remember help control the pet population. Have your pets, Spade and Newtered. All right. That brings us to the end of today's show, Phil. Let's get some final feedback from the chat. 01:02:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jacob asks Spencer, how is your Ham Special light stash and when do we kick off the campaign to get it back. 01:02:32 Speaker 1: I have multiple cases left Seth was just in my garage and saw them up where they are kept. The problem is they are starting to not taste like Ham Special Light, so I just had to start rifling through them. I had this very romantic idea about, you know, maybe if I have kids, someday when my son is old enough to have his first beard, you know, like sixteen years old. But I don't think they can make it if we had to that baby lack of cigarettes. So I kinda have to wait sixteen more years. That's that's too long. They're not going to make it. So I'm in the next year, next two years, I need to get rid of it. 01:03:09 Speaker 4: Maybe you could share some during the grand finale. 01:03:13 Speaker 1: There is an idea seth Well, said Phil. What else do you have from the chat? 01:03:17 Speaker 4: Yes, this is from riding. He's asking when Blood Trail season two is coming out? The hit show from Jordan Stillers, and it's we're hard at work on it. And by we, I mean Jordan and Jake are the illustrious producer of this show as well. He is the editor of that show, and they're they're they're cranking out season two right now, so stay tuned. I don't know if there's an exist year though, yes, if Jake Pipe's in here, he says, April sixteenth, I believe, so that's not it's not a firm date, but I think around there is when you can expect it this spring. Yes, has any of you fished Lake Havasu? 01:03:54 Speaker 6: No? 01:03:55 Speaker 1: No, okay, we had a trivia question about it before. Where I think the world wreck shell cracker was caught there though someone was asking about fishing Lake Habsu. Maybe try to catch the next world record shell cracker while you're there. 01:04:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's there might be some more questions, but Price is right. I'm not you know, the check. It's time. It's taken over. So I don't have many flagged right now. So if you guys want to get questions in here at the end of the show, I will say that we had a We wished good luck to McCullough on her first Havelena hunt during the show last week, and she was successful. We were sending some pictures and I'm gonna we can. 01:04:35 Speaker 1: Share those next week, Phil Convenience. 01:04:37 Speaker 4: That's fine, okay. Oh, yes, we had some questions about all the Soul the Sportsman shows happening. Uh this season? Is anyone from the crew going to be in Harrisburg? Is Randall going to Harrisburg? 01:04:47 Speaker 1: I think Randall is going to the one in Utah, the Western Hunt exposing. 01:04:52 Speaker 7: He's going to Western Brent Reeves was in Harrisburg's still there, but he was at the case booth. 01:04:56 Speaker 4: M Okay, he was there. 01:04:58 Speaker 1: That's a tricky show because that one like two whole weeks, isn't it ten days? Ten days? 01:05:03 Speaker 7: If you are there though, and you want to check out some meat eater merch and some first light gear, hit up center boot company booth, say hot to my mom, she's there. 01:05:14 Speaker 1: Did you go to that when you were a kid? 01:05:15 Speaker 4: Was that like calendar? 01:05:17 Speaker 11: Oh? 01:05:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you do there? 01:05:18 Speaker 1: Did you were there some trout for you to catch in tanks? 01:05:20 Speaker 3: Uh? 01:05:21 Speaker 4: There was that. 01:05:22 Speaker 7: I never did that, but we would just walk around and look at stuff, and you know, like Fantasiz dudes would be there, and Lee and Tiffany and Yeah, you just go look at boats and look at all there's like a whole call section you like, check out the new calls for the year, just all it. Yeah, it's it's a huge show. I think it's the biggest east enormous. It might be the biggest in the country. Definitely biggest east of the Mississippi. 01:05:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have a trade show in your neck of the wood, you should go check it out. The Turkey one that we're going to this week. That one is like the biggest assault on all of your senses, Like just the sound of all the calls. It's constant, just the bright lights and all the you know, the camouflage, everything happening there, the smells because you know, there's a lot of cooking happening there. Go check one out. You'll have some tired feet after the day. You'll be happy you saw everything. Anything else film. 01:06:15 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have to answer this one. I'm so sorry. It's it's video game related. Brandon is asking if I ever played Guitar Hero. Brandon, I was guitar Hero, that is true. 01:06:30 Speaker 1: What was your favorite song? 01:06:32 Speaker 4: That picture I showed during Radio Live either a week or two ago from the band room with a trombone in my hand and the long emo hair. What you What I didn't say was that after the band I would throw my trombone in the back of my ninety seven Geo Metro drive home and play Guitar Hero and you know, just beat all my high scores that I set the night before. I never stopped playing Guitar Hero. I played Rock Band. I got every single achievement in Rock Band two. There's one called the endless setlist, or you have to play like eighty five songs in a row without pausing the game. I did it. Oh, it was a long time, but there are some that have instrumental breaks. So that's when I sprint to the battle income like you know, like like a drum solo or you know, where the guitar is not not happening, And I had to I had to plan those. I had like a little like a notepad and I was like to take a break during this song because there's a long and just a few months ago, I bought an electric drum kit and a converter so I can play rock band with a family, the real drum set. I tried to get my family into it. They don't care. It's a very sad. 01:07:36 Speaker 3: You know. 01:07:36 Speaker 4: Fill is a solo. 01:07:37 Speaker 1: Active Yeah, right, he's he's the headliner and the opening act. He's everything. 01:07:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fulfilling one. 01:07:43 Speaker 1: What was your favorite song, Phil, Well, that's how do. 01:07:47 Speaker 4: I choose that? I mean, I really liked from If We're Gonna Go Rock Band one, well, Guitar Hero one, Hangar eighteen from Mega Death. I was out one or two. It's just half that might be two, might be getting my lore mixed up. But any of the metal songs. For Guitar Hero, we're the most fun because it was just purely guitar, so those those are a lot of fun to play. 01:08:08 Speaker 1: Phil is so good that one time I don't remember what establishment we were at, but there was a Guitar Hero arcade game. 01:08:15 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I was at the Tap the Tap House on College there. 01:08:17 Speaker 1: Phil played it didn't put up a great score, and he said that the machine was broke. 01:08:22 Speaker 4: Well, no, I believe making sound You're making me sound like a sore loser. How you just say, from from literally from from two decades of playing rhythm games, that I know when a machine is not calibrated correctly, and unfortunately the greasy arcade cabinet in the back of the brewery wasn't calibrated correctly. I don't want to be one of those people it says the controllers broken and when I lose. But guess what, the controller was broken. 01:08:46 Speaker 10: You know. 01:08:46 Speaker 1: That's how good Phil is. I did believe him when he told me that, I had no doubt that he was right and the machine was wrong. 01:08:53 Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm so I'm sorry I took that much time to talk that. It's okay. 01:08:56 Speaker 1: That is the end of this week's show. We're going to end right there. We'll see you act your same time and place next week. 01:09:01 Speaker 4: By now later. Oh no, I didn't play the outro. We're still here. 01:09:08 Speaker 3: No,