00:00:04 Speaker 1: Smell off. Now, lady, welcome to meet Triviaast. Now, welcome to me Eater Radio Live. It's eleven a m. Mountain time, Mountain Standard time here in Montana. Who's who's phone? 00:00:40 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:00:40 Speaker 1: Sorry, you know said you're an airplane. It's connected to my computer and I am in airplane mode, but it's still connects. That was Stephen Ranella. 00:00:50 Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta clean this thing up here, guys. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: I'm bothering. We do not have to have to. You should tell Steve to come down even just like call me. I'm gonna tell him just to come down here if he's here. Hold on one second, here, got a text Steve come to studio. 00:01:09 Speaker 3: Oh, this one's off to a real. 00:01:12 Speaker 1: Record. Can't wait to get a text. 00:01:13 Speaker 4: Message from Spencer says this is the worst radio Spencer. 00:01:18 Speaker 5: Whenever Spencer's not hosting, you guys don't know those listeners at home. Spencer brus himself a warm cup of coffee, sits in a in a recliner and turns on the show and takes notes and judges pulls out a legal. 00:01:28 Speaker 1: Path and he's just he's like, haha, watch those boys. 00:01:31 Speaker 6: Bird. 00:01:31 Speaker 3: There may have been a text at one point that said that was the worst radio live we've ever done. 00:01:36 Speaker 1: Who was hosting that one? 00:01:37 Speaker 3: I was involved? 00:01:39 Speaker 1: I was involved too. I think it might have been Corey to me and Corey is it? 00:01:43 Speaker 3: Is it? Eleven am Mountain Time, Bozeman, Montana. 00:01:48 Speaker 1: Yes? Do you want me to continue? 00:01:49 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get it back on the tracks here. 00:01:51 Speaker 1: That's seven pm for our fellow Americans in Italy on Thursday, February fifth, and we're live from me Eater World headquarters in spring Like Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Jiannas Pteliz, joined today by Seth Morris and Randa Williams. We've got a great show for you today, including an interview from Cortina, Italy, with Olympic biathlete Paul Schomer maybe Seamer I didn't ask him and his coach Matt Emmons. We're also talking to Colorado Wildlife Officer Demi Wright, who recently wrapped up a big poaching case involving your mule deer. Then we'll look at photos of ourselves from about twenty years ago, and as always, will answer questions from the live audience. But first let's get a few updates from the worlds of Seth Randall and yours truly on this fourth to the last episode of Meat Eater Radio Live. Oh but don't fret. Make Eater Radio Live is going to be replaced by the Meet Eater News with Cruise Show. Now that's a working title. Let's just I think. 00:02:59 Speaker 5: Wait, Steve wants the title to be the news show Meat Eater Colon the news show. 00:03:07 Speaker 1: That doesn't sound great either, but you know he's the boss and whatever he chooses, that'll be it. It's gonna be so what you can expect out of that show updates from the crew. Spencer came up with a good thing that I like. It's like our news, your news and the news, and what you can expect from that would be like cruise stories, updates from us and then kind of how we do stories, questions, corrections from you guys, and then the news being like what really matters right now in conservation news. So that'll be starting, I believe March ninth, and it's gonna be a great show. What else butcher and bamby hoodies. Can you see it? Yeah? This is what I was pasterning Steve about because this is his idea. In my opinion, It is one of the best T shirt hoodie designs we've ever come up with. I do like it because it takes a anti hunting idea, this thing that was made up Bambi the movie, and completely flips it upside down and makes it into a pro hunting thing. Any thoughts on that? 00:04:25 Speaker 3: Boys, It's beautiful. 00:04:27 Speaker 1: I love it. It's a very subversive concept. What's all it has always there? Yeah? Yeah, it's just like your classic butchering chart of a deer ribs shoulder, but it just uses Bambi. 00:04:44 Speaker 3: As it. 00:04:46 Speaker 1: Who those are going to sell like hotcakes? 00:04:47 Speaker 4: Ye? 00:04:48 Speaker 5: Have our Have any lawyers from the Walt Disney Company reached out to us about somebody I don't know. I don't know, and I don't think he is. Baby's a boy, right, Yes, that's a buck. 00:05:01 Speaker 3: Maybe if we don't talk about that aspect of it, it will just go unnoticed by yeah. 00:05:06 Speaker 1: A giant. I'm so sorry. Anyways, the hoodies just pop just landed on the website. Uh, y'all should get one and wear it proudly and then make sure you can speak about what's going on here. That's what I was bothering Steve about this morning. He says, call me when he texts me, and then I said, no, just come down to the studio and he replies, I'm on a call. Yeah, how is that gonna work? Okay, enough about hoodies, Randall, looks like what you've got going on in your life is uh, Well, first, let's let's hit the international shout out. We have our we have our favorite well I don't know is the our I think our favorite international, Like guess is. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: What the most the I mean? I think he has a perfect attendance record. If this were high school, he'd be recognized at the end of your assembly. But someone pointed out to me that he's not the only international listener out there. So we want to give a big shout out to Dan Hernandez, who's currently stationed in the UK tuning into mediater Radio Live. 00:06:13 Speaker 1: Shout out Dan, thanks for tuning in. 00:06:16 Speaker 5: Dan, Dan, if you're in the chat, let us know. If not, why did you lie to us. 00:06:22 Speaker 1: The truth? 00:06:22 Speaker 3: He seems like a good guy. We traded some traded some messages on the IG. Seems like a real real good guy. So I just want to give a big shout out to Dan, and then the big news in my household is uh. When I left this morning, it was my last time saying goodbye for the day to Dolly, our five year old dog. She's not dying. She's turning six tomorrow. 00:06:44 Speaker 1: You really, I didn't. 00:06:46 Speaker 3: Deliberately set that up. No, she's turning six tomorrow. So today's the last day with a five year old dog in the house. Tomorrow we have a we'll have a six year old dog and two ten year olds soon to be eleven year old. So I basically feel like I have three loaded guns pointing at my head because when you get into the big breeds, I feel like every years, every year past, you know, like six seven is real, precious. 00:07:09 Speaker 1: So I was gonna say past ten, Yeah, you feel like it's past six that. 00:07:13 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I feel like labs. I feel like the laboratory labs can can can take a quick turn down hill. 00:07:19 Speaker 1: Geez, what do you feel like a blue tick coonhound? 00:07:21 Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know. You run them hot. I don't know if that's good for the engine or bad for the engine. You know, some engines like to be run hot. I'd guess that a blue tick coonhound probably that's. 00:07:31 Speaker 1: Probably good for mingus. 00:07:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, these are just these are just fluffy. So, yeah, Dolly's turning six huge. She's kind of got a weird personality. 00:07:39 Speaker 1: She was a COVID dog. 00:07:41 Speaker 3: We thought what better time to raise a third dog than when we were forced to stay at home for a few months. But then she didn't really get socialized and so she she's got a lot going on in her own head with herself. 00:07:56 Speaker 1: How will you all celebrate her birthday? 00:08:01 Speaker 3: Typically we'll take her swimming at the river. That's what she likes to do. She likes to just be active. She's she's got like a she's a one hundred and ten volt dog plugged into a two twenty outlet. And so yeah, whatever we can do to just just wear out. But yeah, it's a big day in our household. We usually don't do a cake, but I'll often use a you know, cheese whiz to write their ages on their food. 00:08:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they enjoy that. 00:08:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just depends on depends on how much time we're investing each year in the celebration. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: Okay, any imagine you'll have a couple of beers. Do you ever like give him half a beer in the in the water bowl. 00:08:40 Speaker 3: Our first dog used to drink a lot. He uh, he was when when he when we first had him, we would take him to this brewery in Missoula called Byron, and they have all these like old German guys came over for the summer to like, you know, work on the brewery and exchange They do, like exchange stuff with German breweries. And these old guys loved to feed Arlow beer when he was tiny, and he developed a real taste for it. Thankfully he couldn't drive, so that was never an issue. But he liked whiskey, he liked wine, he liked beer, and died ten days shy of his tenth birthday. But I don't think the booz had anything to do with it. Sorry, this has gone way darker than I I thought it was gonna be like a This was gonna be a lighthearted celebration of Dolly's sixth birthday. But really I've taken some We're just talking about more turns here. 00:09:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, well we all know. That's the the worst part about dogs is that they die. 00:09:47 Speaker 3: Oh it kills me. 00:09:49 Speaker 1: What does cal call it prolonged suffering or something? I don't know. When you get a dog because. 00:09:54 Speaker 5: You just know they're gonna die. 00:09:55 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, see we had like Mingus is really my first dog as an adult. Like I married my wife and she had a dog, and so yeah, of course I adopted her, but I still you know, didn't feel that attached. Yeah, so yeah, this is uh, I'll be going through it. According to Randall, maybe in just a year or two. 00:10:16 Speaker 3: I don't know. I just life is a degenerative process biologically speaking. 00:10:20 Speaker 1: So yes, yes, yes, uh ant let's talk about life, Seth. I'm sure you're talking about this all the time these days. Oh God, you're gonna be a dad soon. How's that all coming along? Five weeks out the wife, that's it, Yeah. 00:10:38 Speaker 4: Mackerel Kelsey is very uncomfortable and sleeping poorly, but she feels good, like you know, she's not she's not struggling with like how she feels. It's just like a like a she's not sleeping well thing that's really struggle. 00:10:54 Speaker 1: Yeah at this point, yeah, yeah, she's probably just ready for it to be over. Get on out. 00:10:58 Speaker 5: Our first was two weeks there, so closer than man. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: Everyone we talked to is like we had ours in thirty five weeks, you know, or or within like that thirty five to forty week period, like it seems like it could happen at any moment. 00:11:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're one time in a peer one imports like nice, it's perfect. 00:11:21 Speaker 5: Perfect date night. 00:11:22 Speaker 3: We just finished up Watch. 00:11:27 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it was a date night. No. No, we were looking for candles for the birth right we were gonna have my oldest at home. We had both ended up having both of them at home. Oh nice and uh for whatever reason, like a lot of candles is a thing when you have a home birth. And so we're at Pier one getting some candles and we were still like a solid week out. But you know, you start having these little baby contractions and if you're if you've been around pregnancies or then, when those early contractions happen, you're like, oh yeah, okay, it's like your body's practicing to get ready to give birth. Yeah. And we're chatting with a lady and Jennifer girl, it's like, oh wow, a little contraction there, and the girl looks at us and it's like, please don't have that baby in here. I'm like, come, it's not gonna happen. That nice of a store. Yeah, are you cleaning something over there, Phil. 00:12:20 Speaker 3: No, there's no they're using solvents in the new studio. 00:12:23 Speaker 5: They're like tyle yeah, off the congrete. 00:12:27 Speaker 3: Yeah it smells like I just uh it's I oftentimes flood our garage with acid tone fumes and it lingers for a few days, and I'm getting real strong vibes of that. 00:12:36 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:12:36 Speaker 1: Yeah. If you guys notice there while you're watching this live show that we're all getting a little drowsy, sleepy, please let us know. 00:12:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, there's not a lot of ventilation in this room. Strong, very strong, quite strong. It might be might just be pumping it directly into this is this? Is this how they get rid of this? 00:12:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, guys have fun and radio line you can't leave. Oh my gosh. 00:13:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, just like in one Battle after I was just I was gonna make that reference, but I wasn't sure who hadn't seen the movie seth. 00:13:07 Speaker 1: You've also been doing a little bit of ice fishing. Yeah, what's the what's the ice fishing report? I mean ice fishing reports not good. There's not much ice. There was enough ice on Cane Ferry for which is the local lake here for I don't know. I fished it twice, but it's been fishing for two weeks or so, but it's like it's just not the first time I fished, it was a little sketchy, had about four inches of ice, and it was moving a lot like pressure ridge pressure ridges were building while we were there, and you know, just not what you want and you couldn't really get to the stuff we wanted to get to out further. But then last weekend we hit it and had a good walleye bite which was fun, kind of like a morning walleye bite. And then. 00:14:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's kind of done now we've had because they just warmed up too a warm week and it's supposed to be sixty degrees today. Now is it early enough where it could turn around again or is it now You're like, eh, halfway through February, it's pretty much no matter what happens, is done. No, it could definitely turn around again and get cold and make ice enough to fish, But at this point in time, I'm like, let's bring on open water and get a boat, right, just kind of over watching the. 00:14:34 Speaker 1: Weather for ice. 00:14:36 Speaker 4: But there's still places around where there's guys skating on the pond out back here this morning there's obviously enough ice there, But I don't know, fishing these little ponds around here kind of gets old after a while. 00:14:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:50 Speaker 1: I want to get out some big water school kids. Yeah, yeah, the high school kids, the hardcore. Is it love pounding the local ponds. Oh, I know Jimmy Rennello has been tearing it up. Yeah, yeah, I heard he had. I heard from his little sister, and I haven't got corroborated with Steven, but I heard that he was like having hypothermic symptoms from being Oh yeah, I have recent ice fishing trip. You heard the story. 00:15:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, he told me about it. 00:15:13 Speaker 1: He was on a sound legit. Uh. 00:15:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, he said they were fishing for burbot and night fishing. Apparently the temperature was over that that period of time when we got that cold snap. Yeah and yeah, apparently the temperatures dropped into negatives and you got hypothermia. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. I heard that his his partners were getting ready to take him to the emergency room because of his he was being so symptomatic. Oh, he didn't tell me that part. Yeah. Speaking of a place where it is really cold right now and they're having a heck of a winner, Wisconsin, a little update on my oak savannah project. If you don't know, if you haven't heard this, we're turning about seven eight of our forty in Wisconsin into an oak savannah, which basically meant we cut out a lot of trees with a logging project, left a few, and then instead of regenerating oaks there, we instead killed all the oaks and everything else that was going to grow there and are now going to try to grow forbes and native grasses instead. Underneath the few oaks that are left, and the part of the project where we were at we had piled all of the slash that was left over from the logging, and these giant piles had to get burned. I couldn't do it since one thousand miles away, and I needed help. So a friend of mine, Ashley Stinky, from the He is the Wisconsin Grassland Collegist for the Audubon Great Lakes and leads the Audubon Conservation ranching program in Wisconsin, and so he offered to burn these piles for me, which I had have roughly thirty of hanging out and they're giant piles, like easily the size of the studio that we're in right now. Go ahead and show us some pictures film. Yeah, do you want to do that first picture? Yeah, there's a picture of Ashley with a big old fire going behind him. You can see the size of the pile. It's legit. So we had to get these things burned so that we have like a clear space to then do our seating, which is going to happen very soon. Here we're going to do a frost seeding, which basically means they just sprinkle the seeds all over while they still have you know, snow and basically a free staw cycle which will help the seeds get great contact with the ground. Go ahead and show those three Moultree photos in a row. So this is the day that he burned. There's we have a stand kind of on this wildlife opening. The oaksavana is actually to the north, but you can see this is like well eleven am. And then a little bit later Ashley's got them all burning, and then by I think three thirty four in the next photo, you can oh, no, already by that was only at noon. Well, that happened fast. So they continue to burn and they the piles got even a little bit smaller, as you'll see in the video coming up here. But I was asking Ashley. I'm like, man, you can't this is going to take a couple of days and you can't just take time off of work. And he's like, oh no, I will be working while I'm doing this, Like, but we don't have like a contract or anything, and he goes, yeah, man, but our our our sort of attitude at the autumn on society is like if it's good for the birds, it's good for the best sort of like meaning like we don't have a project with you, but what you're doing like helps the whole landscape around here, and it just it has an impact. And so gladly come up and help you and put some of my work times into your project. Yeah. Can you show that video, Phil of the the first one here? Yeah, this is still when they're un pretty good. 00:18:59 Speaker 7: Ones on the very cell facing hillside. Oh I can think of is large scale landscape level restoration like this and sitting here in September and listening to elp Bugle in this landscape of a good day. 00:19:26 Speaker 1: We can we spend enough time on this. We don't need to play that other one. But the next video would just show all those piles basically being a lot smaller, and it's it's cool for me. You guys are just looking at like basically bonfires and going like why is this really that interesting? But for someone that's been involved in this project now for two years and knowing that the end is really well, there is no end to it, but sort of like hopefully it looks like the oak Savannah that it's in my head in about another three years, because it's going to take three years for these seeds to really establish themselves and get going. But just the change from what it looked like when I was there in the fall with all these giant piles and now to see those piles gone and you can really get that sort of just like unobstructed view across those seven acres and just looking through like the few leftover giant oaks, it's sweet. Yeah, it's cool. I'd major fomo when Ashley was there the other day. Do you guys have plans to keep burning that area? 00:20:23 Speaker 7: Oh? 00:20:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah a big part of my work now is making sure that my fire breaks and my roads act as fire breaks. And I got that dialed so that when it's time to burn, whether I do it or you know, someone else I was talking to Ashley about like having someone else do it, and it's a lot cheaper if they roll in and your shit is tight and your fire breaks are tight, and they're just like, oh great, we're just gonna burn and we leave. If they have to start doing you know, manual labor to make your fire breaks, legit, it's gonna you know, the price is going up big time. All right, enough, Bsen, let's get on with our first interview of the morning. We're gonna play a little video before we start. 00:21:07 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, when I'm skiing into the range, there's a lot going through my head. In thirty seconds, it feels like the race could change. Hands are freezy, snowpeppers all. I'm a her right's eye magazine in close the action, fumble, slow it down, focus pressure, I'm a trigger, don't fight. 00:21:29 Speaker 2: It smooths for. 00:21:31 Speaker 8: Shot, clean, second shot, on the last, jaws, third fourth. Sometimes I'm not even really thinking. It all goes silent, and after that last shot, it all comes rushing back, breathing, heartbeat, noise, and I'm not even on snow yet. 00:21:54 Speaker 1: This is Bathlon Wait. Our first guest today joining us from and Holts, Italy, are by athletes Paul Schamer and Matt Emmons. Now Matt might not consider himself I'm guessing he's still skis as a bad athlete in some version, but he is Paul's coach. Now, welcome to the show, fellas. 00:22:22 Speaker 2: Hey, nice, nice to join you guys. 00:22:25 Speaker 1: Good there that The first time I watched that video, I was likedow, man, he's just he's not even on snow. But when I just watched it, for whatever reason, man, it kind of got me fired fired up and I was feeling the pressure that you feel when you're out there trying to shoot those little targets. All right, fellas, welcome. Like I said, uh, for those that don't know, can you guys just give us a thirty second explanation of what biathlon is. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:22:52 Speaker 8: So, I think just to start, I think it's what's really cool about Bathlon is I think it's really connected to a lot of things that make us that we hold dear to us as humans, which I think are one hunting and two protecting and providing. 00:23:06 Speaker 2: For those that we love. 00:23:07 Speaker 8: Because it was really came about from people in northern Scandinavia back in the day, hunting on snow in the winter, on skis and then eventually got turned into a border patrol during World War two and then and then basically from that practice, they had some mini competitions and that's what turned into Bathlon. Bathlon is versus foremost a race. So the clock starts when you leave the start and ends when you cross the finish line, and it's a ski race where you stop and you have shootings either two or four different shootings. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: From an equal amount of. 00:23:44 Speaker 8: Prone and standing. So if you have a two shooting race, it's one prone, one standing. A four shooting race it's two prone, two standing. And for every mistarget you have a penalty, either by having the ski of penalty loop or a time penalty. And so it's all about skiing fast, being efficient on the range and any targets. 00:24:04 Speaker 1: Okay, obviously heart rate must play just like a huge, huge it's gotta be a huge factor in like being able to execute what you're doing. So tell me before we get in, like how you do it, but like what's your like resting heart rate. Then you're like racing when you're on skis, and then the heart rate that you're trying to actually when you're shooting, what you're trying to get your heart rate too. 00:24:29 Speaker 8: Yeah, so I mean resting heart rate. I would say most nights I'm in the low thirties. So I'd say, like, if I'm in like a good spot and I'm looking up, I'll have my heart rate. I have an OR ring, but the OI ring only tracks to thirty three, and so there'll be sometimes or I'll be under that and there'll be like gaps in it. And then heart rate variability is another one that you look at for recovery on the range. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: I have a pretty low heart rate. 00:24:57 Speaker 8: In this grand scheme of things when it comes like max alright, so my max herrate is probably going to be like one seventy five throughout the season, whereas like some competitors they'll be up over two hundred. 00:25:10 Speaker 1: Okay, And then so that's your max. When you're skiing and you're going full bore. What's the heart rate that you're trying to be at when you're trying to make these shots? 00:25:22 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:25:23 Speaker 8: Man, I mean, honestly, I don't really look at my heart rate too much. I think that the breathing is what I really focus on, mostly because that's kind of like the anchor of focus sometimes, so you like control your breathing, because you can control your breathing or is your heart rate is kind of like kind of like all right, heart's gonna do what it wants. I would say I'm probably shooting around one hundred and fifty beats per minute most times that I'm I'm on the range or more. 00:25:53 Speaker 1: For those of you at home, like, I don't know if you can even get to one hundred and fifty beats a minute, but like, go ahead and try shooting a gun at accurately with your heart doing one hundred and fifty beats a minute. That's insane, all right, Paul, Because we've interviewed you before on the show, not on this show, but on the Mediator podcast. So I have an idea of like the things that you've been through. I follow you on Instagram, give us the sort of rundown of the hurdles. I was talking with recently the one of the main folks over at cross Cut, which is Bozeman's biathlete sort of center shooting center, and I mentioned your name and she's like, yeah, that guy has been through more to get to what he's getting to do now than like anybody else I know. I mean it's just like, it's amazing, So give us a short rundown of like the hurdles that you've had to go through to be able to race this next week. 00:26:53 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think that. 00:26:55 Speaker 8: When I was last sitting in your guys at studio in twenty twenty two, I was asked the question like, oh, how much long are you gonna go? And at that point I was kind of like, I don't really know, and I didn't really see myself competing for another four years, and I think that decision was almost kind of made for me. In twenty twenty three, I had a knee injury that I actually had to get a knee surgery, so I had to finish my season early, came home, got surgery, rehabbed back from that surgery, made a full come back, qualified for the World Cup. Was at the pre World Cup camp in Finland, and my knee just totally blew up, like just I didn't know what was going on. I thought maybe it was just the travel with some other things wasn't getting better. So I ended up flying home from Finland, and at that point, not only was I having some knee issues, I was actually having a lot of other stuff going on in my personal life as well. And I just remember sitting across the table from my coach when I was in Finland and just saying, like, I'm going home and I don't know when I'm coming back, because like it just seemed like everything was pretty chaotic at that point. I ended up going home and I realized that my knee had re injured itself, so I had to get a second knee surgery. And basically what happened was the first surgery, the injury that they had repaired just had failed, and I was right back to where I was and it was a knee scope, so they're like, hey, you should be good to like ski pretty soon, and my knee just was not responding. I would ski for about thirty minutes, my knee would be swollen for two days. And so at that point, I was like, I don't even know if I can compete, much less if I want to compete. And that kind of like put me in a really interesting spot because it was kind of like maybe the decision was made for me. I felt like my life at that point was maybe steering me in a different direction. Priorities that came that come before sport were things that I think I was prioritizing at that time. But as that year unfolded, Uh again, I think some some decisions were made for me, maybe decisions that I would have made for myself, and I ultimately felt like I should train, train back. I went down to Stedman Clinic in Colorado because my knee wasn't responding, and they said that I should get another knee surgery, but they were gonna put metal in my my knee, and I was just not ready to put metal in my knee at my age. It would have just kind of started me down another path that I didn't really feel like was necessary. And uh, I actually kind of started to get back into training and then got to a point where I was like, man, I finally feel like my knees responding. 00:29:39 Speaker 2: I can train enough to be able to get back to a high level. 00:29:43 Speaker 8: And I really don't know what happened other than maybe my body responded in such a way that I was able to get back and slowly made my way back at that time. Because I didn't compete that year before, I was left off the national team, so I didn't have any support from the national team. I lost my health insurance, I was just training on my own and thankfully was able to requalify for the team this past year. Had to work my way back up through the ranks. Was at World Championships and qualified for that basically like last minute. I missed a lot of other chaotic things going on, and that that makes me being here in Italy right now talking to you guys something that I'm like really grateful for because I definitely don't take it for granted. There's plenty of things that could have derailed me along the way and makes it makes it really special to be able to compete this winter. 00:30:39 Speaker 1: Awesome. Okay, so you I don't know if I'm gonna phrase this properly, but like what you made it to the Olympics, which I think is you know, for most of most people that that would be in of itself like and it isn't amazing. 00:30:51 Speaker 3: For everybody, just just generalize anybody. 00:30:55 Speaker 1: It's an amazing accomplishment. But obviously you got a little bit more ger in you than most of us. So you're here, what's like, what is your focus set on? 00:31:05 Speaker 9: Now? 00:31:06 Speaker 1: What's your goal that you're there now? 00:31:12 Speaker 8: Well, I think like for this year, I've set the goal for myself top ten at the Olympics. I've gone top ten at this venue before on the World Cup, and so that's something that I've. 00:31:24 Speaker 2: Really thought of. 00:31:24 Speaker 8: I think another goal for our entire team that we have and something that we hear about all the time at the Olympics is Blatlon is the only winter sport the US is yet to medal in at the Winter Olympics, and it's kind of dubbed the last first medal, and so I think our goal is really to see the US win that that medal. I think we have some chances in individual events, especially with my my teammate Campbell, who last year won two silver medals at World Championships. But we've been forth a couple of times in relays this year on the on the World Cup, So I think we really have our sites set on hopefully bringing home that last first medal. 00:32:00 Speaker 1: It listen, man, if you're telling me that you're you're playing on possibly breaking top ten, I immediately think, well, if he can do that, he could also go podium. Likely that's only a few spots. And I know that you guys know way more about this than I do, but yeah, all right, awesome. I love to hear it. Let's talk a little bit about how this biathon business uh like relates to hunting. Matt, I was told that you actually have hunted Shammy in the valley that you guys are are compete well, that Paul is competing in this week. Is that right? Yeah? 00:32:37 Speaker 10: Yeah, Actually I've been here four different times hunting for Shammy. It's a beautiful valley. I call it like my second home. Even though it's not just love coming here. I love mountain hunting and I've lived in Europe now for thirteen years and one of the things I missed about living out west in the US was just mountain hunting, and so I got an opportunity to be able to come here and hunt Shammy and it's it's just awesome. So I wasn't able to do it this past but hopefully that's coming, you're I'll be able to do. 00:33:02 Speaker 1: What does a hamp? Is that what you guys call it? Shammy? Or do you do you pronounce it shamois? 00:33:09 Speaker 6: I say shammy. Don't know that's right or not. 00:33:11 Speaker 1: But yeah, so, like what's a shammy hunt in that area? Look like just gives a real quick rundown of like a normal mourning Shammy hunt. 00:33:22 Speaker 6: So all of my hunts actually have been mourning hunts. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: Pretty much. 00:33:25 Speaker 10: What we do is we get up before before sun up, get up in the mountains. Usually we drive up with a car up to a certain point. 00:33:32 Speaker 6: And then you got a hike. 00:33:33 Speaker 10: And sometimes it could be, you know, maybe just a fifteen minute hike to get to a spot where you're going to be spotting, or it could be a longer hike. One year, we actually did go into about midday, so we were moving around trying to spot some animals. This isn't what we're looking for, Let's go over here. And then we found some different ones. Not what we're looking for, Let's go over here. So it took a little bit longer. But once you get one down, usually you're up above above two thousand meters, which is over six thousand feet. I'm up above tree line. So once you get it down, then it's you know, a matter of gutting it, put it in a backpack hole. They put it in the backpack hole. They don't cut it up because the only weigh about probably sixty sixty five pounds roughly. 00:34:13 Speaker 6: Put it in the backpack and then you're hiking back down. 00:34:15 Speaker 10: So it could be, you know, a short hike depending on where you parked, or it could be a fairly long hike. 00:34:19 Speaker 6: I mean, nothing like elk hunting in Colorado or something. 00:34:22 Speaker 1: But sure, you know, you. 00:34:23 Speaker 6: Get down and take it to the cooler where we go and let it hang. 00:34:27 Speaker 1: Are they pretty spooky critters? Or like, how sneaky do you have to be to get within rifle range? 00:34:35 Speaker 10: They see really well, So it depends on where where you're at. Last year will not last year the year before last. I don't know if that one was just stupid or whatever, but we actually went across this opening where he could see us, and I got to about three hundred and fifty yards and decided, okay, he's if we go any closer, he's going to bust. So I was able to take the shot and knock him down. Depends on where you're at. There's a lot of times where you're trying to sneak in, sneaking in to get to rifle range or good rifle range, which I would say is, you know, two fifty to three hundred yards. The closest shot I've ever taken, he was probably about two thirty. You gotta kind of sneak behind rocks, try to keep yourself hidden because they see well. And especially if you've got a big group of them, you know, maybe there's ten animals there, you've got ten different sets of eyes looking at you, then you've got to be a little bit more careful, especially if there. 00:35:23 Speaker 6: Are females in if they're females with little ones, then then you got to be really careful to get in on the buck. 00:35:30 Speaker 1: I know both of you guys hunt a fair amount. Are there times when you guys are actually in the field, maybe right after a shot or getting ready to preparing for a shot, where you have a thought where you're like, oh, my biathlon training is really paying off. 00:35:51 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean for sure, I think the biggest thing that I've noticed is that one, I'm fit enough to be able to get places that I need to be, which is like a a huge benefit. But yeah, I think that there's been a few hunts, Like in Montana, I was hunting the Missouri breaks and like, uh, we just like found a spot and it was no problem to hike in six six miles or whatever. 00:36:13 Speaker 2: And I mean we were just on elk all day every day. And then I think a couple. 00:36:17 Speaker 8: Of years ago, I actually drew a moose tag in North Dakota and hunting there. I think that like one the persistence, just like waking up every single day as an athlete, you just know like, hey, it's a new opportunity and just. 00:36:30 Speaker 2: Got to be in the game if we're gonna be there. 00:36:32 Speaker 8: But then also like when that target shows up and the heart rate goes up, I'm I'm just like, okay, yeah, we're just like. Doesn't mean that my trigger has to be any bit different, doesn't mean that my anchor points my sites everything else. Like my my focus goes immediately to the things that. 00:36:48 Speaker 2: I want to do to to take a good shot. And I think a lot of that. 00:36:51 Speaker 8: Comes from the fact that like I shoot tens of thousands of rounds every single year, yeah with a rifle, whereas with my with my moose, I shot it with my bow. But like shooting and shooting, and I think that's the biggest thing as a bo athlete, Like I just I know I'm a better shooter than than I was when I was younger, and I wasn't shooting nearly as much as I do now. 00:37:10 Speaker 10: Well, I also think Paul, the mental part of it because when you're we kind of go on autopilot. It's like we've done this so much, whether it's in biathlon or precision shooting, you've performed so often under pressure that when we're hunting, you get to that moment and you just do the things that you've been trained to do, the things that you've done, you know, thousands and thousands of times, so that that training comes in very helpful. You just you don't even think about it. You just do the work that needs to be done. 00:37:37 Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so you guys both shot. I don't even know you guys. Do you guys have a rough number in your head about how many rounds of twenty two l R you've you've put down range? 00:37:50 Speaker 8: Well, I want to make a decision here. Matt is a he was an Olympic shooter, and how many metals do you have? So he has three shootings in just uh three medals and just shooting. So that's I mean, he he probably shoots more as an athlete than I do. I probably shoot about fifteen to twenty thousand rounds of twenty two a year. 00:38:09 Speaker 6: Yeah it wasn't. I probably shout about maybe twenty five thousand a year. 00:38:13 Speaker 1: And how many years. 00:38:16 Speaker 10: I competed for Gee Whiz over twenty years, So it's it's it's a lot. 00:38:21 Speaker 3: That's fabulous. Oh that's a lot. I love powder so that your fingers still stink like powder. 00:38:27 Speaker 1: I think for a real like a real take home for folks watching and listening would be coming from you, guys, like what are like each? Give me two reasons of why, like what makes someone a I'm gonna use air quotes a bad shot. Go ahead, Matt, you first. 00:38:47 Speaker 10: All right, practice practice Everything comes down to practice. 00:38:54 Speaker 6: I mean, aneso. 00:38:55 Speaker 10: If you practice poor things, if you practice a lot, you're doing it wrong. You're just gonna get good that doing it wrong. So I think proper practice is number one. A lot of people don't understand what proper technique is. And it's as simple as position, breathing, trigger, control, follow through. If you can do those things right, you're going to hit a lot of targets or animals or whatever it might be. So I think proper practice learning what proper technique is and then just simply doing it doing. 00:39:22 Speaker 6: It a lot. 00:39:24 Speaker 1: Ball. 00:39:24 Speaker 8: Yeah, And I think I think I like I see it in I'm gonna say biath on and if I'm watching hunting videos. Sometimes you see someone man, they're just they don't have any good trigger work. And then they also are just popping their head up to see if they hit the target even before the shot goes off. So like if your head's coming up before the recoil goes you're more concerned about if you hit the animal. I think that's a big thing. It's just having that patience to be able to have that trigger squeeze, watch it through the scope or your sites and see that bullet hit the target. 00:39:56 Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a huge one. 00:39:58 Speaker 1: M It sounds like being a bad shot is not an innate thing. Everybody just needs to shoot more, shoot more often. 00:40:07 Speaker 6: It's a skill, and I would say skills are trainable. 00:40:09 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:40:10 Speaker 1: Love that. Randall seth any questions for these fellas. 00:40:15 Speaker 3: Man real quick. I don't I don't need the full breakdown on your rifle, but it looks like it's a straight poll a lot of stuff hanging off of it. I'm curious if you could give us like the thirty second rundown of what you compete with in terms of firearms. And then also you must travel internationally with with your firearms. Quite a bit, so I'm curious about that as well. 00:40:40 Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty much every single by athlete's gonna shoot the exact same action in barrel. It's an on shoots Fortner and it's just a straightfold action. Reason being is because of that action and also a reliable good barrel. There's amo testing and barrel testing that's done, so every once in a while you'll have to get a new barrel. But pretty much everybody's shooting the same thing. Where the differentiating like factor is going to be for each athlete is in the stock. Unfortunately, I don't have my rifle here because they're all in rifle storage up at the venue. 00:41:12 Speaker 2: Otherwise i'd be able to show you. But my stock, I got a new one. 00:41:15 Speaker 8: Back in twenty nineteen. It was made by a stockmaker in Germany. He's kind of renowned as being one of the best stock makers in the world. And it's all about balance and fitting met anatomically my hands, eye, my arms, my cheekbones, everything, and it's all open sites. 00:41:35 Speaker 2: But then it weighs about three. 00:41:38 Speaker 8: And a half kilos, just over seven pounds, and yeah, and then you have a harness on so you can put it on your back while you while your skiing. Now, traveling with a rifle, honestly, as an American sometimes really sucks because we don't have paperwork. Because all the Europeans they all have rifle passport, so when they show up to a country, they can show them their rifle passport. They're like, okay, good you go. We show up here and they're always asking us, oh, do you have like your firearms license? 00:42:09 Speaker 1: Do you have this? 00:42:10 Speaker 8: And we're like, we're Americana that like my passport is my firearm license? Like don't know what you're talking about. 00:42:15 Speaker 11: And so a lot of times they're sitting there like, wait, you don't have any But I'm like, usually what I show them is just the customs form, the like four four five seven, which is the form that allows you to bring it back into the US. 00:42:27 Speaker 8: And it's like oh okay cool. But so yeah, it can be real pain. I would say, like South Korea was a huge pain. China they didn't even let us touch it. Like they took the rifles from the airport and they put them in an armored vehicle and then drove them to the venue for us. But once you get in, it's it's pretty simple it's not not anything crazy paperwork. 00:42:48 Speaker 3: Cool. 00:42:49 Speaker 4: What's the uh, what's the AMMO that you guys are shooting? Is that like all factory stuff or someone like loading that for you guys? And is everyone using the same ammo? 00:43:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's all factory AMO. 00:43:02 Speaker 10: So twenty two is it's not impossible to reload, but nobody does it. Yeah, the way the priming system's done, the powder and all that stuff. So most everyone on the World Cup is using Lapua AMO and it's called Lapua Polar Biathlon. This was a twenty two long rifle round that was developed for shooting in cold temperature. So it uses a different type of powder that's less sensitive to temperature changes because whether it's you know, I don't know, thirty five degrees fahrenheit or zero, we're using the same stuff and we need to make sure that the velocity is not going to change drastically as some other powders might. 00:43:36 Speaker 6: That way we keep the accuracy. 00:43:38 Speaker 10: It also has a special loob on the bullet which functions better in cold weather. Most everyone's using the same stuff. There are some teams that are using RWs now and they've also developed a similar type of bullet and powder combination, but most everyone uses lapula. 00:43:54 Speaker 3: Nice love this. 00:43:56 Speaker 1: Okay, lastly, tell us I guess what day your rate? And I'm assuming that NBC Peacock is the best way, but maybe there's another place on the internet to watch your races. Paul. 00:44:09 Speaker 8: Yeah, so we we have Bathlon has I think ten race days in the in the Olympics. Here we have that's gonna be split between both men's and women's. The first race is going to be this Sunday, the mixed relay, and then the men's individual is on Tuesday. The men's sprint is on Friday, pursuit is on Sunday. Is it Sunday Sunday? And then the relay is the next week on the seventeenth, which I think is a Tuesday or Wednesday. But yeah, you can find it all on Bathlon World dot com or Bathlon Results dot com or on NBCM peacock. 00:44:50 Speaker 1: Love it awesome, Thank you, well, good luck to you guys. We'll be cheering you on from Bozeman, Montana. And you say you stay, you stay you. 00:45:04 Speaker 8: I want to share one last thing you guys, is you say good luck. I think one thing that's really cool here in Europe. 00:45:09 Speaker 2: Or in Italy. 00:45:09 Speaker 8: Specifically, if you're wishing someone luck, it's kind of a call and response. Instead of just saying good luck, what you would say is in bokopo to the person you're wishing good luck, which means in the wolf's mouth, and the person who respond preppy loopo, which means the wolf is dead. 00:45:23 Speaker 1: So preppy loopo and boco loopo in the wolf's mouth and you respond with wolf is dead. I love that fast, Paul. You're crushing it, dude, I see a top ten finishing your future. Buddy. Thanks again for coming on, and uh we'll be watching you here shortly. Thanks guys, that's great, that's cool. 00:45:49 Speaker 3: That's awesome, that Spencer. 00:45:52 Speaker 1: If you don't like that, you know what I'm gonna say to you. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: Should we turn to our next guest? 00:46:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, let's move listener feed Let's do a super sized listener feedback at the end of the show. So we just do back to back interviews here and then hip throw it back. 00:46:08 Speaker 1: And then fine, Yeah, we don't want to we don't want to keep our next uh our next guest waiting too long. Uh So now we are joined by Wildlife Officer extraordinaire, Demi, right from Colorado. Demi, welcome to the show. 00:46:26 Speaker 9: Hi guys, thanks for having me. Super excited to be here. 00:46:29 Speaker 1: Are you a Were you watching that last interview? 00:46:33 Speaker 9: I was, Yeah, those guys are awesome. 00:46:35 Speaker 1: Are you going to be watching? Are you know a fan of the Olympics? Are you gonna be tuning in? 00:46:39 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:46:39 Speaker 9: Absolutely, definitely gonna watch the Olympics. I can't I can't believe how many rounds those guys shoot every year. 00:46:44 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, lucky. I guess if you, if you have the right sponsor, you get to shoot all that for free. Probably, Yeah, that's yeah, that's amazing. All right, Demi, we came across you, I think most of us. I mean, I'm sure a lot of peop watch and listen and probably have seen your face or know your name, because recently you had a big I think a big poaching bus and it got a lot of press. So tell us a little bit about that, that specific case and and sort of I guess what, why did it get so much praise? 00:47:20 Speaker 9: Yeah? So, the recent cage case was a poaching case with some active duty soldiers on Fort Carson, an Army military installation here in Colorado Springs in Colorado, I cover that installation and then they allow hunting and recreational opportunities on that installation, and it's an incredible resource for civilians to hunt on and for for members of the military. But that poaching case involved six illegally taken deer, and you know, it got it got a lot of attention, which I wasn't expecting at all. We have a lot of military in Colorado Springs, and so I think people always want to know what's going on. And it was pretty egregious. So I think people were really upset with how many animals were taken. And you know, it's just, yeah, I got some more attention than I thought it would. 00:48:18 Speaker 1: Okay, Remind everybody, because I think a lot of times when we hear about a poaching case, you're like, well, it's just one or maybe even if it's just six deer, right, or oh, someone had to eat, and it's sometimes it can be easy to be like, well it's not that bad until you see like thirty, you know, giant racks that were poached. But remind everybody why poaching is bad. 00:48:41 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, so hunting and poaching two different things, right, you know, hunters are doing it legally and ethically responsibly. They've got a license in their pocket. They're out there, you know, to fill their freezers or carry on tradition and heritage, have time with family and friends, you know, doing all the right things and reaping the rewards of it. And then poaching is just is a crime. It's just straight up taking, you know, or pursuing wildlife illegally and ultimately you know, legal ethical, responsible hunting funds, wildlife conservation. You know, in Colorado and like many other states, hunting and fishing licenses, fun wildlife conservation, and habitat management. So when you're not paying into that pot, you're robbing legitimate sports persons. And as a legitimate sports person, I'm not cool with that. And I just happen to have this patch that enforces those rules. 00:49:31 Speaker 1: So okay, we'll get back to the case itself. But I want to do like a few questions to just kind of set us up here, What like, why did you want to become a wildlife officer? 00:49:45 Speaker 9: Yeah, question, I've thought about that a lot recently. Yeah, I mean I grew up outdoors. I was outside since since I was just a little one, you know, I have barbie fishing pull in my hand way back back when. And you know, I grew up around being outside, hiking, camping, voting. I grew up around a hunting family. Hunting wasn't passed down to me when I was when I was younger. It just kind of skipped my generation. But you know, I grew up butchering and processing, you know, all the animals that were brought home. 00:50:18 Speaker 2: And so I loved it. 00:50:19 Speaker 9: And then I realized when I got older, I could I could get paid for this and I actually have you know, family members and the agency that I work for, and so I spent a couple days in the summer being volunt told to do some things. So I realized, yeah, I want to do this. And then you know, I knew I wanted to work for Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I didn't really know and what you know, what aspect I did. Then I realized I could be a wildlife officer and serve a community, and so it all kind of worked out. I'm also a people person, so I didn't want to be a biologist because I need people to talk to. Our biologists do incredible work. But I'm kind of a yapper, so wildlife officer worked for me. 00:51:04 Speaker 1: Okay, uh, what's a what's a normal day look like for you? When they're when you don't have to like go and you know, check up on some illegally shot deer. You're just going. And I know that I'm very aware of the breadth of what you do, So there might not be an easy answer, But what's a normal day for you look like? 00:51:24 Speaker 9: Yeah, there is definitely no normal day. Every day is different and that's that's certainly the feel of the job. 00:51:31 Speaker 6: Right. 00:51:32 Speaker 9: My truck's my office. So a normal day starts and starts in my office in my truck. And you know, maybe it's hunting season and it's that time. You know, it's fall time, and I'm checking hunters for twelve or fourteen hours a day, and maybe that's what my whole day is. Or you know, maybe it's summer when you know, in Colorado Springs is the urban wildlife interface and so moving bears around and wrangling deer, and or maybe I'm teaching hunter ed or I'm in a school doing you know, a career career topic. I mean, no two days are the same, which is truly the best part of this job is I've never lived the same day twice. 00:52:11 Speaker 3: So that's awesome. 00:52:13 Speaker 1: That is a great reason to have your job. Okay, so that's a normal day, which sounds awesome. Tell me about how how many years have you been doing this job? 00:52:24 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I would classify myself as a as a baby officer. So I've been an officer now for three years. I started with agency as an intern and then I did some seasonal positions which was the most fun jobs ever, all the fun stuff and now the responsibility. And so yeah, officer for three years now. 00:52:44 Speaker 1: In those three years, what's the most exciting day that you've experienced on the job. What happened? 00:52:51 Speaker 9: We have some exciting days. I'm not gonna lie. I handle bears all the time. I've got a lot of bears in my in my district that I cover, so I usually have my hands on a bear two Those days are exciting, especially when they're being honery and you know, you can't predict what wild life is going to do, especially when you're trying to pick up a bear. You know, we we do some really cool stuff. You know, we have big horned sheep traps that we do and that's for some relocating to create different sheep herds, and that is literally just going out and wrestling cheap. So there's a lot of exciting days. 00:53:31 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, fellas, any questions right now before I move on here. 00:53:36 Speaker 3: No, I'm just like the hands on stuff always just grabs my imagination. 00:53:42 Speaker 9: Yeah, the hands down stuff is why you do. 00:53:45 Speaker 1: The job, right, Yeah, totally. 00:53:47 Speaker 9: I want to touch a bear, all right. 00:53:51 Speaker 1: So the article that I read, the many that I read, said there was a moment identified where you identify or associated vehicle with this crime that happened on Fort Carson, But it didn't really say exactly how you did that. Can you explain like how you all of a sudden like figured out what vehicle was associated with the crime and then tell me was that a sort of crux of the investigation? 00:54:19 Speaker 9: Yeah? So I was. You know, this this tip came in from from a legitimate hunter who who'd found a buck that had the antlers sawed off and and very minimal meat taken, and and he called the Fort Carson conservation officers, who are absolutely incredible to work with, and so you know, they kind of called me in and said, you know, we I think we have a poacher. So went out there you know, looked at the buck. Obviously this is not a legitimate harvest, and you know, quarters aren't taken, tunderlines aren't taken, backstraps, I mean, just one one small roast and the antler's cut off, and so looking around for a spent cartridge, which is pretty impossible on an active military installation, by the way, there's a lot of sped cartridges. And you know, find find another dough with the exact same same grunt roast taken and that's it. But near those two carcasses, found some boot tracks. Followed those boot tracks off of the installation. 00:55:22 Speaker 1: Sorry to interject, but dirt tracking or snow tracking a. 00:55:26 Speaker 9: Little bit of bolt. There wasn't a lot of snow on the ground. There was snow in some parts, but it was yeah, it was mostly dirt. So yeah, followed the boot tracks off the installation, found some tire tracks. It happened to be near a wild land firefighter housing. So you know, we just me and the conservation officers for Fort Carson popped in there and firefighters saw vehicle there within the last couple of days. And I knew that those carcasses were one maybe two days old, so they're like, yeah, this this vehicle was he it was weird. We took a picture of it, so that kind of linked up my guy and found the registered owner of that vehicle because they took the picture, ran them through our systems. Never had a license, which of course led me to his social media, myself and the conservation officers to his social media where he certainly had some animals on there, but no license. 00:56:22 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that brings up the question because we've talked to enough wildlife officers over the years and more and more it seems like what's bringing these fools down is social media and like and we've heard like it's a big part of your job, right where you can actually like get a lot of work done just by perusing social media. 00:56:46 Speaker 9: Yeah, no, absolutely, I mean everybody takes pictures of what they do, you know, and especially if you think it's something cool, and everybody's got a cell phone in their pocket, and so yeah, in this case, for the case twenty something, people definitely take pictures of the things that they shoot at, and so we use that to our advantage. I mean we're gonna use every I'm going to use every tool I have. So if I've got to get a warrant for your social media. That's fine, I can do that. 00:57:16 Speaker 1: Unreal, unreal? What else was I gonna ask you? Oh, as a part of the punishment, I read that they're given some pretty hefty fines and then they're still sort of waiting to see what kind of revocations is that the right word, will happen of their hunting and fishing licenses, and it might be country wide because of the interstate compact that we have in place now. So that's awesome. When I saw the numbers, I was like, oh good, they're gonna get hit pretty hard. But you're also taking their rifle. The rifle, though, is being destroyed, and often times that can like it gets a little like people get upset when guns are are destroyed. So why because I've heard that oftentimes heads and hides can be auctioned off, that are heads and hides that come from poaching cases, and then that money can get put back into wildlife. So why destroy this weapon versus possibly auctioning it off and using that money for wildlife. 00:58:24 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:58:25 Speaker 9: No, that's a great question, and everybody asks it, and the answer is, you know, it's it's state law. So it's Colorado state statute that this this firearm has been deemed the public nuisance, and so that happens judicially. That's not something that Colorado Parks and Wildlife makes the call on. And so you know, we follow the law and we listen to what the core system tells us. So it does get destroyed. We do have some hides that go to auction, and those are like roadkill mortality hides that will go to auction and that money comes back into the general pot. But with the firearm, yeah, it's it's the court's decision. But I heard everybody loud and clear. 00:59:04 Speaker 2: On that one. 00:59:06 Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to be a snob, and I didn't get a good look at that thing, But I don't think it's going to bring in a ton of conservation funding. 00:59:12 Speaker 1: It's not anything Radel. You're not gonna bid on that one. 00:59:19 Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that's even worth the gun broker, you know, bumping it up with the listings, like paying for extra photos and stuff like that. 00:59:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Debbie. For folks that you know hear this, or they've been thinking about it, Young folks out there thinking about what they're going to do with their lives, thinking they could possibly do the job that you do. It sounds pretty awesome. Give us some advice and maybe some sort of the baseline education that you need to get involved in doing what you do. 00:59:53 Speaker 9: Yeah, so in the state of Colorado, you do have to have a four year degree in a natural resource field and then you go through a whole onboarding process. You know that that you would for kind of any peace officer position, So your background checks, polygraph psyche out, all the fun stuff. And then when you get the job, you go to police Academy for six months, and then after that you go to Colorado Parks and Wildlife's Academy. They teach you all kinds of fun things and snowmobile training, horseback riding training, wildlife forensics. It's all the cool stuff that you got into the job for. So that's kind of the education and then what you can expect if you're hired. But you know, if you're if you're looking at this job, just get involved with whatever you know, state agency that you can volunteer, spend your time with people, show them that you can work hard, go on ride alongs with the officers. You know, if you want to be an officer, I'd say you really, you know, really understand the job before before you get into it. It can be a really huge commitment. It's one of the most rewarding jobs in the world. I can't I can't picture I mean anything else, but just really understand what you're signing up for and get involved as much as you can and just stick with it. Listen more than you speak, and yeah, just just stick with it. It's tough, but once you get in, you're in. 01:01:21 Speaker 1: So mm I like that you said that. I like always like the quote about you have two ears and one mouth, you should use them. 01:01:30 Speaker 3: And that's good advice for any anyone interested in any career field. 01:01:34 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, it is Seth and Randall. 01:01:40 Speaker 3: I don't have any questions. I just you know, I always appreciate folks out there putting themselves in uncomfortable situations to protect our shared resources. And there's just like everything that we love depends on people committing themselves to protecting that. So hats off and promising start a young career, but a promising start, you know, let us know when you have your next big bust, we'll get you back on here. 01:02:07 Speaker 9: Thanks guys, Yeah, thanks, thanks so much for the kind words, really really happy to be here, and yeah, sure a little bit of what's going on in this world. 01:02:16 Speaker 1: Thank you, Demy. Good luck in the future, Thank you, Thanks Demy. 01:02:19 Speaker 3: Sea to Stellar guests today, Yannie, you good. 01:02:28 Speaker 1: I can't take I think I can take credit for DEMI because I did send the article to UH to Jake, our producer, and asked him to line that up. And then I don't know exactly who lined up Paul and Matt, but yeah, I've enjoyed that. It's a time for some listener feedback. 01:02:44 Speaker 5: Phil, Yeah, well what we're probably only going to do one listener feedback. Do you want to do throwback? And then we can just hit keep going. 01:02:54 Speaker 3: We can keep this thing going, Phil. 01:02:56 Speaker 5: We'll say that for March. 01:02:58 Speaker 1: Who wants to go first? Our throwbacks first? Oh, this is very important. I'm gonna milk all these. 01:03:05 Speaker 5: I'm gonna milk for the next month. 01:03:07 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy I can't believe it. Did I mentioned Stephen Ronie As I don't think I had heard that one. Yeah, oh great, fantastic's that's one of my favorits. 01:03:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:03:26 Speaker 1: Oh, Corey Colkin's just texted me. He must be listening and he said, Uh, I lined up, Paul, Come on bro, Sorry Corey, Sorry Corey. 01:03:39 Speaker 3: Shout out to the whole team here. 01:03:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a group of groups, not just us group. I didn't have shit for this one group effort. All right, who's going first, doctor. 01:03:50 Speaker 3: I'll go first. I don't think Yanni realized when he sent out this, uh, this query for photos from twenty years ago. I don't think he realized it. Seth and I were both still in high school. 01:04:02 Speaker 1: No, I realized that. Yeah. I was half hoping that we could even have a fourth person in here that was even younger, and all of a sudden we'd have a well there is you're in diapers fill in the corner. 01:04:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not gonna get me in diapers twenty years ago. But I do. I do have a picture. 01:04:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to share good I wanted to share my my high school football photo. 01:04:24 Speaker 1: But is that it? 01:04:25 Speaker 3: No, that's not it. 01:04:26 Speaker 1: I say, I've seen that photo. It's a good one. Maybe bringing out for the grand finale of Yeah, and I realized I was twenty. 01:04:32 Speaker 3: That was twenty twenty four, so you know it's not quite But this is twenty years ago. This is me living my Best Life summer of twenty twenty six. Actually, I was probably home from the first twenty Oh I'm sorry two thousand and six. Okay, I think I was probably actually home for my first year college working for a company called pro Clean Restoration Incorporated. Uh. We had an office on Columbia Parkway there in Cincinnati. I sound like rain Man when I do that. Columbia Parkway, Cincinnati, Ohio, eight to eight Oak. 01:05:11 Speaker 5: Street or whatever. 01:05:12 Speaker 3: But yeah, so I bring up where I'm working because as you can see on this T shirt, it's covered in paint and deck stain. And also that hat is a bass pro Shops hat that was I used as a wiping rag, and so it actually weighed perhaps two and a quarter pounds with all of the cedar tone deck stain as we called it sa dub that I'd absorbed into this hat fully weather proof or for a real long time fishing with nightcrawlers in the Little Miami River. That is a Bass Pro Shops bait casting combo. I think it's probably got some pretty heavy mono on there, judging by the reflection of the light, and just a real simple nightcrawler on the bottom. Looks like I got an egg sinker there and a really crappy landing net that the foam had ripped off the handle. But you know, it's always fun to net fish instead of just dragging them up on the bank. 01:06:08 Speaker 1: Let me guess, like a seven pound channel cat. Is that what I'm looking at? Yeah? 01:06:14 Speaker 3: I think that's a good estimation. 01:06:18 Speaker 1: Did I get the species right? 01:06:20 Speaker 3: Yes? But what I like about that one, well, what I like about that one in particular is that the tail is hanging out of the net, which I think always adds to always adds exactly. 01:06:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like it's going to slap you in the face. 01:06:36 Speaker 3: You get a king salmon in the net and you got the big tail flopping over the side. That's a good fish, no matter how big the net is. 01:06:42 Speaker 1: Oh, I need to go catch one of those one day by fall nets. Let's go right now, All right, seth, Let's go back twenty years ago? Has almost twenty almost twenty, we'll say it's eighteen does two thousand and eight? 01:06:55 Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, that guy doing some fur trapping had a to be a good day of raccoon trapping. I used to back when I was in high school. I used to run a line every every season basically, and I would get up and check the line before school and then go into school. 01:07:16 Speaker 5: But yeah, this was just a day of coon trapping. 01:07:19 Speaker 4: Got the one on the left there is, uh, I'll point out as quite a large one. 01:07:25 Speaker 1: And back in those days, raccoons were going. 01:07:27 Speaker 4: For a decent price. Remember I got like fifty eight bucks for raccoon back then one time, and that was flashed and stretched. Yeah, yeah, sold it through the North American Fur Auction NAFA, which is no longer a thing. 01:07:40 Speaker 3: What I like about this picture is that it could be from twenty years ago, or it could be from forty years ago. It's it's a timeless image. 01:07:48 Speaker 5: It's two thousand and one, Dodge fifteen. 01:07:51 Speaker 3: What's the sticker on the left? Is that a Monster Energy drink sticker? 01:07:54 Speaker 9: No? 01:07:54 Speaker 1: No, that's a Hunter Specialty sticker? 01:07:56 Speaker 3: Oh good? 01:07:57 Speaker 4: And on the on the right there's Thompson Center and the Hunter Safety System there. God, And if I'm repeating it, if I'm doing what you did, I'll go with I'm wearing a scent lock hat and the Antler King T shirt. Back when I was playing a lot of food plots and stuff. 01:08:12 Speaker 1: And how old were you? Uh, fourteen. Was your was your gosh, youngster? 01:08:21 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:08:22 Speaker 1: Could you? 01:08:23 Speaker 3: Could you zoom in on his face? 01:08:24 Speaker 5: I must can't quickly sometimes. 01:08:28 Speaker 3: Don't worry about it. Film. That's terrible, Seth, was your was your father an American flag and your mother a issue of fur Fishing Game magazine? Because you look like if you hasked AI to make to make the American the young American Trapper, this would be it. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: It was a Trapper and Predator color magazine. 01:08:48 Speaker 3: God, that's good exactly, this is good. Yeah. Yeah. 01:08:52 Speaker 2: Uh. 01:08:52 Speaker 1: The first thing that caught my eye is that, uh, Seth has been rocking the same eyebrows his entire life pretty much. 01:09:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, that runs in the family. They've actually just been getting I noticed these days. They just get wilder with every year that passes. I'm getting like the Bryan Callahan. Yeah, eyebrows lately. 01:09:14 Speaker 3: I started on trimming mine. Every now and then, I'll get a white one. I'll get a long one that curls. 01:09:18 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'll get a long one that comes down and is I can see it in my vision. 01:09:22 Speaker 1: Yeah. Next thing they'll poke in the eye. That happens to me every now and then if I don't stay on top of it, all right, Phil, let's see your photo from years ago? Sure? 01:09:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, well so I I already showed. We did a throwback Thursday where Spencer asked people to bring in fishing photos and I actually had one from almost exactly twenty years ago that they already showed. 01:09:42 Speaker 1: But you didn't do that one. No, I didn't. 01:09:43 Speaker 5: I'm not doing that one again. So I decided to use a picture pictures from my natural habitat in high school, which was which was the band room I let in high school. There's me in the middle there. That's what my hair was for most of high school. It was very cool. I love you should bring that pretty much any extracurricular band activity I could do. It was. It was my thing. I was very cool. 01:10:08 Speaker 1: You could say, did you have a MySpace page? 01:10:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I did? You know I I You know, I spent way too much time choosing the music that would play. You know. Actually I had a zanga before my Space. 01:10:20 Speaker 3: Did you ever tell your parents? You'll never understand. 01:10:26 Speaker 1: I wasn't that bad. 01:10:28 Speaker 5: Probably I probably had had the thought a few. 01:10:30 Speaker 3: The hair is pretty intimidated. 01:10:31 Speaker 5: The hair is the hair is very good. I might bring it back. What do you guys think I would just to go for it. That's good. 01:10:37 Speaker 1: What would your gal say? I? 01:10:40 Speaker 5: Well, my my hair was about that long when I met my wife and it worked back then. 01:10:44 Speaker 3: Fill out, boys, that's a good And is. 01:10:48 Speaker 1: That a trombone? That is a trombone? 01:10:51 Speaker 2: Uh? 01:10:52 Speaker 5: It's it's a large board trombone with a little valve to that helps you play the lower notes a little bit more more easily. 01:10:59 Speaker 3: Were you wearing on hided skater shoes in this photto? 01:11:02 Speaker 1: Probably? Yes? 01:11:03 Speaker 5: Actually a yeah, no, it would It would have been like Vans or something. 01:11:10 Speaker 3: You're probably too young for Jenko jeans. 01:11:13 Speaker 5: To I never owned a pair of Janco's, but my cooler cousins had had Jenco nice. 01:11:19 Speaker 1: All right, there's that I was able to skip those, all right, Last, but not least. It's good, Phil, Thank you. This photto I believe is circa two thousand. This is the first bull Elk that I killed and recovered. Unfortunately, the year before when I was this is my first year that I was guiding, and I was able to take off the first rifle season in Colorado hunt with my dad and a couple other of our friends. And unfortunately, the year before the outfitter taken me out on the last day of our DIY hunt. He realized that we hadn't seen an elk let alone killed one, and I shot one range and probably shot him in the guts. We looked for a day and a half, couldn't find him. It was found, maybe I don't know, a week later by another guy bear on top of the carcass. So Lesson learned there, when the elk is at fifty yards, you don't have your scope cranked up to nine. Hard to know where the bullet's gonna hit. Right, But great morning, this is opening morning, and I, uh, I wanted to hunt the top of this particular I call it a mountain. It's it's uh mountain makes it sound a little too big. It's uh, it's a nice it's it's got it's a big ridge, you know, that has an apex to it, and the elk like to go out there, and a lot of the other folks hunting that area. It's too big of a climb form, so it's kind of left left to those that wanted to make the walk up there. And I'd hunted basically my way all the way up to the ridge to the very tippy top and hadn't seen nothing, and it was pound in snow, just a full blizzard a lot of times, you know, visibility less than one hundred yards, and I'm kind of once I turned around on the top, I kind of gave up and said, ah, you know, I'm just gonna have my rifle like slung on my shoulder. And I'm more kind of mosey and ding dong and back down the same ridge head and heading back towards camp than hunting. And I think because of the snow storm limited visibility, I stop at one point and I look and there's a bull standing there close fifty sixty yards, you know, and he's looking at me but just couldn't figure make me out or whatever, and it had enough time to take my Model seven hundred BdL oh rand uh huh, which I did a little searching on this this morning, and I'd forgotten what ADL BdL CDL stands for. Can you answer that question? 01:13:52 Speaker 3: Well, the ADL is is the blind mag right, yes, And then the BdL is a floorplate. 01:13:58 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 01:13:59 Speaker 3: This CDL box meg. 01:14:01 Speaker 1: I think the CDL is still hinged forlor plate. But there's just some other fancy you know, more satin on the walnut and it's just a little bit fancier. But what I found really funny is that the DL stands for Deluxe. Oh yeah, the A stands for average and yeah, so you go from average deluxe to better Deluxe to classic deluxe. So no matter what, what's seven hundred you by, you're getting a deluxe rifle, but just average, better or classic. 01:14:37 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:14:37 Speaker 1: My dad gave me that rifle when I was I don't know, fifteen, sixteen years old, and it was one of those deals. I wasn't expecting a rifle. I hadn't asked for a rifle, but he just comes up to me. We're actually out a Latvian like social function, and he just whispers in my ear, I just got your rifle. Well I was like, oh, that's boys. That's never happened to me in my life where someone just like. 01:14:59 Speaker 3: Am I man now Dad? 01:15:00 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well he like it's one of those things like you're not expecting a present like that, but like it was secret, right, and it was kind of like, yeah, don't tell anybody because it costs money. We need to just like we'll just work it into the He was long divorced from my mother at that time. But anyways, Yeah, so I shot the bull Remington corlocked. Mm hmm. You can see where this story is gonna go. I shoot him once later to find out in the heart he jumps, I shoot him again. Another part of this story is when he jumps, he jumps a couple of yards whatever. He's standing in a new spot. I look back to where he was just standing. Now this is a night This is if you're not looking at the photo, this is like a very small, probably two year old four point bull. Where he was standing is probably a three year old five point And I'm like, d look at that, you know. So I've got two shots in him, and he's sort of like in that moment, starts taking off and I just take off after him, and I get another shot in him. I don't know where that that one hits. He keeps going. I run, I don't know, close to another one hundred yards and kind of end up in the timber and his downfall and he kind of gets caught up. I'm sure he's gonna die at that point, but he's not dead yet. So I put a fourth shot into him. He ends up having three in the heart and one in the lungs. Whoa, and uh again, maybe would have died from the first one. But it's just like I had already been around long enough to know that, Like with those elk, you just keep shooting until they're not until they're tongues hanging out. If you want to go through the attire, I want to say that was a Eldor ski resort, like just like a wool beanie I was wearing. I was wearing probably a Patagonia flee with a probably Patagonia kapeline underneath it. Cabella's shamois or shammy. Remember that it was like a soft brush cotton. Yeah. We love those pants because they were so quiet and for whatever reason, I thought that suspenders were also a hip at the time. But uh yeah, my first bull elk love it. Two thousand, that's cool. What was the rifle chamberda in thirty? At six? I forgot I mis mentioning that. Yeah, at six, probably was shooting one eighty core locks. 01:17:16 Speaker 3: I guess killed a lot of animals with one eighty cor locks. 01:17:19 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, all right, now the long awaited We're only seventeen minutes behind, but let's do some listener feedback. 01:17:28 Speaker 5: Sure, A couple of shoutouts here. First is from Bryson. I'd love to get a shout out to my son who turns two today and was the only three month old when he attended the Boise Meat Eater Live show two years ago, which made him the youngest attendee. Happy Birthday, Happy birth Birthday. And we also had another shout out here too that I will find at some point. But there's a first. 01:17:52 Speaker 3: McCullough was going on a Havelena hunt. 01:17:55 Speaker 1: Oh yes, did you see that one somewhere? 01:17:59 Speaker 3: Uh live? 01:18:01 Speaker 5: Okay, I'll find it later. Uh cranky surf. When is Randall's haircut? Will there be a raffle to determine how much is cut off? 01:18:10 Speaker 3: Still don't know when my haircut is. We have a listener who's a barber who's offered to cut my hair on the radio media to Radio Live Finale, Grand Finale Spectacular, but he lives in Maine, so I haven't yet been able to determine whether that will happen. As far as how much is getting cut off, pretty much just the stuff that's getting in my ears. I need to keep it long in the back because it's sweet and I need to keep it long. On top to hide the bald spot that has grown and grown in recent years. So I'm just hanging on by a thread to my youth. 01:18:49 Speaker 1: So the haircut would the haircut. 01:18:52 Speaker 3: If I cut it all off, it will be surrendering to father time. 01:18:55 Speaker 5: So mo Gore asks, Yanni, how are the little or big kiddies doing in your area? 01:19:05 Speaker 1: And Mingus and I have not been bothering them, if that? If that, hopefully that answers your question. As far as I know, the population is doing great. But yeah, we've just had like sort of a streak of bad luck. We've had tracks, a lot of tracks have gone on to private which we haven't been able to follow. We've had tracks that have just filled in with snow. We've had tracks that have we've lost on bear hillsides, which are common around these parts. Right now, we have caught a bobcat this year, which was quite the accomplishment for Mingus. He caught his first bobcat. But the big ones, I've not seen one in a tree yet. This year I will be going out, I believe Friday or Saturday and keep after it great. 01:19:52 Speaker 5: Will there be more Meat Eater Kids episodes coming soon? This is from Chad, Chad, we are they're not going to be in the same format that we did the first three seasons, and so we're currently cooking up some new kids content. How's that for alliteration? And but it's probably still a few few months down the road. But keep your eyes peeled and keep him on that on that podcast feed. There's a question for Seth. Seth, how much experience do you have with with drones for photography? Do you have any? 01:20:20 Speaker 4: Non? 01:20:21 Speaker 5: Okay, then I will not ask you. This guy who was looking for. 01:20:24 Speaker 1: Above you. 01:20:26 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Oh it's from Leland, Leland, Arizona Youth Havelena opens for my daughter. Could I get a good luck to McCollough on her first have Alena hunt? 01:20:33 Speaker 1: Good luck McCullough. 01:20:34 Speaker 3: Good luck McCullough. 01:20:36 Speaker 1: That's right. Just remember what we learned earlier. It was what was it breathing position, trigger, pull and follow through four things. 01:20:46 Speaker 3: Knowing Leland, I'm sure she's already got plenty of practice. 01:20:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine. 01:20:50 Speaker 5: So here's here's a Seth one pa and fishing related. It's just Steven. He's looking for some some basic gear, some beginner gear to get into ice fishing. If you had sort of like a quick kit. 01:21:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would start with an auger, doesn't have to be anything fancy. You get one of those hand augers. They work pretty good as long as the blades are sharp. Basic ice pole, which is just a short fishing pole with a you can honestly just use. If you have a spin reel, you don't have to buy a new reel. You can just throw that on an ice pole. 01:21:26 Speaker 1: And then from. 01:21:27 Speaker 5: There as far as safety wise, Pennsylvania doesn't. 01:21:31 Speaker 1: Always have great ice. 01:21:32 Speaker 4: They do this year, but I would get a spud bar and those those ice picks that you put around your neck, so if you you kind. 01:21:41 Speaker 1: Of wear them around your neck like a necklace. 01:21:43 Speaker 4: If you go through the ice, you can grab those things and use them to pull yourself back up on the ice. That's good to have, especially for beginners that don't have a lot of experience on ice. And then from I mean that's basically it to stock art. You can go super deep on it with electronics and you know, having a sled to haul your stuff out there is nice, but say fella can't do the electronics part. That's kind of where I'm at. 01:22:12 Speaker 1: I feel like I have all the other gear but I feel like without electronics, like, how am I ever going to find the fish? So how do you find the fish with no electronics? 01:22:23 Speaker 4: Well, back when, back when I used to fish with without electronics, we were just just trying to find like points that go out into the lake or whatever you're on to like read a map. Yeah, Basically, if you have access to a map, that's helpful because you can just you know, look at the map. But if you don't have access to like underwater map or whatever, I just try to find like points that are coming out into the water, or you know, if if you're if you can see the bank and there's like it's like a sandy bank that transitions to a different type of like rip rap or something like finding transitions like that or you know, it's it's totally doable. 01:23:12 Speaker 1: I used to do it all the time. Is it bad form? Because I was gonna say, well, you'd pull up and see where all the other shanties are people are fishing, yeah, and then go near there or start asking them questions like is that bad form? Just to roll in and be like, hey man, let me take a look at your Yeah, I'm new to this, Like would it be Okay, to drill a whole ten yards away from here? Is that a good spot? I think most people would be open to that totally. Yeah, And if you're gonna go that close, I would definitely talk to someone. But you can definitely find the general area where people. 01:23:41 Speaker 4: You know or fishing, or if you go like early in the morning, wherever you can find last or yesterday's holes basically and try those spots too. So yeah, good luck. 01:23:54 Speaker 3: What else do you got, Phil? 01:23:56 Speaker 5: Ye're honest, this is from Judah. Do you have any tips on trying to stay injury free or for trying to stay injury free over years of running? 01:24:04 Speaker 1: Hmm, Yeah, I've been lucky. I think I've I have been able to stay injury free. I mean, I've had a bad ankle sprain once. I'm dealing with a little bit of like a carlage issue, and it's just I think that's no matter if you're running or just living, you're gonna have those issues in your knees. But I don't know, I think doing it that was I recently had to go through this knee kind of a process of figuring out what was going on in there. My last appointment was with an orthopedic surgeon. And she said, the worst thing you can do is stop doing what you're doing. I said, you even mean like runne hundred miles? She goes, yes, do it. It is good for you. Do not stop. It's gonna get worse if you stop. So don't stop running. Bow hunting at full draw. 01:24:53 Speaker 5: Asks of who all of you guys are going to be at NWTFO. 01:24:57 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well guess you two are not. Nope, I am full draw. 01:25:04 Speaker 3: I wish I'll be at the Hunt Expo that weekend. 01:25:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you're gonna be at NWTF, a good place to run into us is going to be the Grand Slam after party. The Meat Eater is hosting, uh you know, it's a big fundraiser. They're gonna have a bunch of cool hunts and uh guns, shotguns, rifles to auction off, and we're gonna tell some turkey stories. We're going to try to get all of you to buy as many raffle tickets for these items as possible. We're going to have an owl hooting contest. The clay is going to mc so if you're a good owl hooter and in your NWTF. Now this is voice voice only and then we're also going to play some trivia. So yeah, it's the Grand Slam after party. Uh be a great place to bump into us. Or on Saturday, most of us will be at the booth, the First Light Booth all day and you can see us there. 01:26:04 Speaker 3: And if you want to find me at the Hunt Expo, I'll be slumming in the beer line with everybody else. 01:26:10 Speaker 4: I'll make mention that the Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania's kicking off and the Family Boot Shop will have a booth there Center Boot Company. 01:26:19 Speaker 1: Look them up. 01:26:19 Speaker 5: They'll have some first Light gear there and I think some meteor stuff too. 01:26:23 Speaker 3: Brent Reeves is at the at that show, I believe. Oh really, I think he's doing some with case. 01:26:28 Speaker 1: Oh. 01:26:29 Speaker 3: We'll look him up to He's a nice guy. Go talk to. 01:26:31 Speaker 1: Him, extremely nice. 01:26:33 Speaker 3: Have him tell you a bedtime story. 01:26:35 Speaker 5: Ian asks, do you guys have more episodes of Roasts on the Way? 01:26:39 Speaker 1: Yes, Ian, we do have more episodes of Roast on the Way There they were. They were hounding me yesterday to put my notes in on an episode which I believe they want to release here in the next week or so. So don't fret and then behind that one, there are many more coming. We've been hard at it. We have been cooking, roasting our tails off here recently. So Phil and I judged an episode together. 01:27:06 Speaker 5: We did I think we did. 01:27:07 Speaker 1: Pretty ch I haven't seen on the cut of that one yet, but I'm expecting great things. 01:27:11 Speaker 3: I think it's going to take a lot of word to cut that one. 01:27:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:27:15 Speaker 5: I think I gave the editor specific instructions on camera things to do, So whoever's cutting that, I apologize. 01:27:22 Speaker 1: Let's see what will. 01:27:23 Speaker 5: You guys be doing on Thursdays at eleven am after March fifth. 01:27:27 Speaker 4: That's from moor uh answering emails. 01:27:32 Speaker 1: Yeah that. If I'm in the office, it'll be something, Yeah, Moor working on a book, editing, video, editing, photoph But. 01:27:41 Speaker 3: To be honest, when I look at my calendar after March fifth, it's nothing. Nothing there. My world is ending on March fifth. 01:27:52 Speaker 1: Hey, Spencer, Spencer, if you're still out there, has he commented Phil. 01:27:57 Speaker 5: Spencer Newhart has not been in the chat. I shamed him for being too active in the chat one week, and I think he. 01:28:06 Speaker 1: If he is out there listening, I would like him to give us a rating. Between zero and ten on how well we did on this episode. 01:28:16 Speaker 5: No, this is a nine to five. At least it's up there. This is one of the better ones. Another mogor one. He's We've got some good questions this week. This is this is for Randall. It's a specific one. You are the weapons expert, Randall. Have you heard of the Walter Walder RS three straight pull bullpup hunting rifle family, the one with the integrated suppressor? And is that monocock? 01:28:36 Speaker 3: I would imagine that's a one piece receiver. 01:28:39 Speaker 5: Yes. Then he had more to say, but that was basically it. 01:28:43 Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that it was recently released. I'm really intrigued by bullpup rifles. Uh, there was a there's a company called Defensive Edge out of Idaho that makes something called the long Range Killing Machine and it has a thirty inch barrel, but because of the bullpup arrangement, the overall length is much shorter. So it's designed basically to ride it up to the top of the mountain on your back on a dirt bike. But bullpups offer the advantage of having a longer barrel length compared to the overall length of the rifle. Walther. I've never owned a Walther, but interestingly against it, I think they made a like a police sniper rifle, like a marksman rifle that was a semi auto bullpup, so they have a bullpup legacy. I'm also really intrigued by guys on forums that are making their own bullpups with like homemade trigger linkages and weird stocks, and it intrigues me and scares me at the same time. 01:29:46 Speaker 1: So you kind of had to explain it because I'm looking at pictures and there's like, it looks like a thousand variations of what a bullpup might be, So, like, is there a definition of what a bullpup is? 01:29:57 Speaker 3: A bullpup is essentially the the the action is further back in the stock. Then the trigger is ahead of the action. 01:30:07 Speaker 4: So the action is almost like where you're yeah, you're almost resting your cheek the action. 01:30:12 Speaker 3: So instead of the instead of the action being in front of the grip uh like the wrist of the stock, the action is back further so that you know you can have you can have this much barrel, but it starts back here instead of starting out here. 01:30:26 Speaker 1: Okay, and obviously I guess I guess it's sort of the well, if it's the issue, but you got to figure out how to connect the trigger to the to the action. 01:30:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, there's like some you know, there's a lot of like factory bullpup options, but you can also find people sort of there's some companies that make like a bullpup style chassis for Remington seven hundred and you have it basically a trigger linkage. But uh, in the age of suppressors, you know, overall length is is a very important consideration. So yeah, when I think about big Magnum cartridge, I want to get a big long barrel on there. A bullpup would be mighty nice. That's weird enough interesting. That was a weird enough tangent for me. 01:31:18 Speaker 1: Anything else. 01:31:18 Speaker 3: L r k M though, if you want to, if you want to have your hair stand up, look up an l r KM and the prices they fetch on the used market. 01:31:26 Speaker 5: Leland's asking your opinions on wild game tartar or tiger meat or cannibal meat or or whatever all the terms are for it. Do you guys that's something you guys consume or prep prepare often? 01:31:39 Speaker 4: Yes, Oh really, I think a burger is just better we if you cook it. 01:31:45 Speaker 3: We like eating. We like eating like beef tartar. Like if we go to a restaurant that has some sort of raw beef preparation, that's typically what we'll get as a starter. And so yeah, we when we get like a fresh animal home and then we have some backstraps, we'll do some tartar. 01:32:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoy it. I just often don't remember to make it, and and I should do it more often because it is delicious, But yeah, I just yeah, for whatever reason, I don't know. My family's probably only eating it a couple of times. 01:32:24 Speaker 5: Nate Pow looking for recommendations on a pistol chest pack and chest holder. I'm gonna needs a proper safety. You guys have any any recommendations. 01:32:37 Speaker 3: As far as how to carry it? I think so I go back and forth on the chest. 01:32:42 Speaker 5: I think he's he's looking for specific items like from FAHF or something you guys could hut with. 01:32:49 Speaker 3: F AHEF doesn't make I mean they use a it's a it's a Rasco holster that's attached to the the bino pack, right it was. 01:33:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, they make a system that attaches to the bottom of a bino harness or chest rig. 01:33:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a company called gun Fighters, Inc. That makes a chest rig that you would wear under They also make one that you would mount to your bino pack, but they make one that you wear you would wear under your bino pack because it's just sort of free like it's it's literally just meant to be worn on its own with nothing else rig to it. And I like that quite a bit because you can take your binos off, like if you're if you're butchering an animal and you can just have that gun on your chest when your hands are all bloody and you don't want something hanging off like the big bino rig hanging off. But I also go back and forth between like a belt holster. Sometimes I'll put a belt holster on my hip belt on my pack, but then you end up carrying two holsters because you also want one that you could wear if you drop your pack. So it all comes down to individual, individual preference, I think. But there's a lot of options out there. 01:34:03 Speaker 1: Well, Paul, I think trying to solve for some of this now instead of like he doesn't really offer a holster anymore. It's basically the holster. 01:34:11 Speaker 3: Hangar it's like the blade. It's a blade tech. 01:34:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a quick detach system so that you could have one holster but then have this attachment that could be under your binyl harness. You could have another one on your hip belt of your pack, and then you can just move it around. I personally find it to be too much when it's all on my chest, and so I like to go to the hip. But yes, every time I drop my pack. Yeah, I also started wearing weapons. 01:34:38 Speaker 3: I started wearing like a short thigh drop like a drop panel, and I thought, I've like seen people sit back and forth say, oh, you don't want to wear that when you're hiking. You don't like it's it's too cumbersome. But I don't really notice it. And then I have that gun on my hip at all times. Take my pack off, take my biny harness off. It's one less thing when you want to shed a layer to mess with, right, And. 01:35:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, send me the link to that whatever you're using. 01:35:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I run this thing that it's it's just a clip so like I can open it up, put it on my pack, and then if I want to drop my pack, I just pop it off my pack and put it on clip it onto my belt works pretty. 01:35:22 Speaker 1: Good, Phil, anything that has to be answered yet? Or can we say there's this one for me? It's okay, Well I have to be the last one. 01:35:32 Speaker 3: It's good. 01:35:33 Speaker 5: I mentioned this like low five pixel art fishing game that came out recently called Cast and Chill Cast and Chill, and Coole is asking if I've played it yet. I have it downloaded on my switch to, and I've been holding off because I thought I might stream it the first time I played it, which I still might do, but I haven't played it yet. 01:35:50 Speaker 3: I didn't realize you got a switch to. Oh yeah, I just got my first switch Yes. 01:35:55 Speaker 5: And that's the thing is if maybe if I stream after we play some Cast and Chill, I'll play some Breath with the Wild. Because Randall be getting a switch and playing Zelda had me restart a playthrough of Breath. 01:36:04 Speaker 3: Of the Yea. I got some sort of rising deal where I got a free switch. So I'm getting back into video games. Never too late to start something new. 01:36:14 Speaker 5: Couldn't agree more, Randall, let's call it kids, go outside. This might have been our longest I think this is our longest episode forget it. Forget video games, go outside, you know, find a healthy balance. 01:36:29 Speaker 3: And that six minutes. That's a hell of a warm up for the grand finale spectacular. 01:36:34 Speaker 5: That's right. 01:36:35 Speaker 1: I hope you guys all enjoyed it. Look like they most of them stuck around for the entirety of it. Thank you all for watching and listening, and uh, we'll see you again next week, same time, Meat Eater Radio Live, same place, Deuces Later,