00:00:04 Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia mea podcast. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time. That's one pm for our friends in beautiful Ashtabulah, Ohio, on this Thursday, September fourth, and we are live from media to HQ and Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, and I have the distinct pleasure today of being joined by my two friends, Ryan Callahan and Seth Morris. 00:00:50 Speaker 3: It's good to be here. 00:00:51 Speaker 2: On today's show, we're talking to Ben Batton. 00:00:54 Speaker 1: I don't think you sent me the script for this week, so I don't know what I'm supposed to say. Am I genuinely supposed to say? 00:01:00 Speaker 3: Hello? 00:01:01 Speaker 2: No? No, that's that's in a minute here. I will send you the script right now in do you know how to check slack? 00:01:08 Speaker 3: Oh? 00:01:10 Speaker 2: Her email is better. 00:01:11 Speaker 3: We should have we should have went over this a little bit ago. But I'm Dickie here, we are. You're all right. 00:01:20 Speaker 2: Never can tell around here. On today's show, we're talking to Ben Batton. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: We've got a. 00:01:25 Speaker 2: Hot, hot, hot tip off. We're gonna do a little show and tell. We're gonna talk to Mark Kenyon about the latest public land controversy, and finally you are faithful, audience will choose the winner of the trailcam photo contest brought to you by Moultrie. Sounds like another fantastic episode, Ryan Seth, how are you guys doing today? 00:01:49 Speaker 1: Fantastic, real good, real good, high anxiety likes started. Yeah, and I have lots to do before or I can like really get serious about hunting season. 00:02:03 Speaker 2: That's your first big trip. 00:02:06 Speaker 1: Brown bear in Alaska, which is a big, big trip for anybody. Yeah, yeah, and truly a trip I never thought I would go on, So, I mean it's it's huge, and I'm just trying to get any mental place with all the adult responsibilities where I can just focus on nothing but that. 00:02:25 Speaker 3: Sure, it's hard. 00:02:27 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, so you did you. 00:02:29 Speaker 3: Ever guide a brown bear hunt before? 00:02:31 Speaker 1: I worked as a packer for one season up on the peninsula, So it'll be super cool to come back. 00:02:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, cool, it'll be awesome. 00:02:40 Speaker 1: You know, like any ultra low paid position in the outdoor world, you just do everything when you're up. 00:02:47 Speaker 2: There, and you never dream about being the guy sitting on the other side of the boat. 00:02:51 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, never, never, And just like at that point in my life too, I was like, how much did the tag car? 00:03:02 Speaker 2: Who would ever do this? 00:03:03 Speaker 3: Jeez? 00:03:04 Speaker 2: Incredibly indulgent, Seth, how are you? 00:03:08 Speaker 3: I'm great? I'm uh. I gotta say I'm more excited for fall fishing than picking up the boat at this point in my life. 00:03:14 Speaker 2: M hm. Got out this weekend for a little bit. 00:03:17 Speaker 1: Yep, but I Jason, just big brown trout running after streamers, that's what you're thinking about. No, just drown. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: Big wall eyes and small mouth putting on the feedbag for winter, That's what That's what gets me excited. That and then just the thought of rifle season coming. I like shooting things at further distances with center fire cartridges. 00:03:42 Speaker 2: Your trip out to the Pecker, Uh. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: It was a lot of ship happened that that. It's a long story. It's a long story. We got one solid day in, but the weekend ended, uh sooner than ike s back, So we'll just end it there. I got back. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: I got back to my old stomping grounds and the Little Miami River, and I drowned four night crawlers, caught one fish. 00:04:11 Speaker 3: That probably puts you back in a certain place and time. 00:04:14 Speaker 2: My god, just the the bugs landing on me just listening to the water. 00:04:19 Speaker 3: Was it after dark? 00:04:21 Speaker 2: No, because much of my disappointment, all of my childhood fishing areas now are extremely well signed with this area closes at sundown or dusk. Yeah, like it used to be the case that this is before Onyx, We're just like, do you think anybody owns this? Can we fish here? And then we sort of verified that yes, it was owned by the county or whatever, owned by the town, but there was no actual like signage, and so everywhere I pulled up, I was like, like, I came back from the tailgate tour literally on my way home from Columbus, bought a big old cann of cors Light and twelve night brawlers ripped down with like ten minutes before sunset got to the spot I wanted the first thing I see when I get out of my car is a big sign that says closed at dusk, which I'm just like, we used to have fight club down there, you know, it used to be the wild West. 00:05:17 Speaker 3: I am. 00:05:18 Speaker 1: I'm advocating heavily with my buddy and his wife who's also my buddy, to allow their oldest boy who's nine, this is a real like western Montana family float fish fly fishing for trout all the time. But I'm trying to get them to allow the nine year old out for antelope camp this year, with the intention of getting that kid on some catfish too. So much introducing the joy of sitting next to a rod that's just stuck in a mud bank. 00:05:55 Speaker 2: I did bring I did bring a bell. I got to listen to the bell jingle. Excellent stuck stuck my rod butt in a tangled root, Paul, and just oh, it's like old times. But I didn't get a catfish. I just caught a cut a little striper. Oh, and then I broke my rod. I set the hook in that striper, and I heard this little tick, and I kind of like pushed all the sections back together, thinking that maybe the jiggled loose. And then I got the fish in cast out again, went to set the hook on another fish, and the thing just snapped off like five inches above the cork. So that's why I only drowned four of the twelve worms. Eight of them are probably still living rich lives alongside the beautiful banks of the Little Miami. 00:06:42 Speaker 3: Well, at least you got out there and got a couple. 00:06:44 Speaker 2: All maybe you want to do is go back immediately, Yeah, and just float that thing again and again and again. 00:06:50 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that's the. 00:06:53 Speaker 1: Thing that nobody can properly celebrate, right is Failure just really makes you be like, like your weekend, right, I'm sure you're like, I. 00:07:03 Speaker 3: Need to go back. Oh God, I just put a big W on the board. All I think about every day since then is I just gotta get back. 00:07:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasted my weekend failed, Yeah, exactly, got to do it right. 00:07:18 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of doing things right, Joining us on the line next is Mark Kenyan, Oh yeah, post of the Wired to Hunt podcast and author of That Wild Country and epic journey through the past, present, and future of America's public lands. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: Meet Eats, Most Beautiful cast member, Mark, Welcome to the show, sir, there he is. 00:07:39 Speaker 5: Look at that Oh stunning, cal You're you're too kind. 00:07:44 Speaker 4: You're too kind. It's good to be here though, guess thanks for having me Mark. 00:07:47 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of news recently about something called the roadless Rule, and uh for those listening to this, uh this podcast or watching us on YouTube here if they're not familiar with the road risk, the roadless rule. Can you explain what the roadless rule is? 00:08:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, So the two thousand and one Roadless Rule was enacted by the National Forest Service and the US Department of Agriculture back in two thousand and one, as the title would tell you, in response to a couple different things going on at that time. You had one which was a serious backlog in maintenance of the Forest Service road system. So the US Forest Service has nearly four hundred thousand miles of roads running across their public lands. That's a lot of work to try to keep that, you know, in good working conditions that people can access their public lands, so that folks can access these different places to do whatever kind of use they might be undertaking. So at this time in the late nineties, they realized, wow, we have a massive maintenance backlog. These roads that have been subsidized by taxpayers are now not providing the return. 00:09:00 Speaker 4: Having serious budget issues. 00:09:01 Speaker 5: At the same time, we have also, as one person put it, cut the face off our forests in many places, and now we are left with just you know, fragments of habitat that has not been roaded, that has not been developed. And so maybe we should think about what the long term future of these last places should be you know, long story short. 00:09:21 Speaker 4: What that led to was the Roadless Rule. 00:09:23 Speaker 5: It was a very long process, you know, almost two years, hundreds of public meetings, one point six million public comments put in from the public in regards to whether or not this is a good idea and how we. 00:09:37 Speaker 4: Should go about it. 00:09:38 Speaker 5: All that led to this rule being created enacted, and it protected about fifty eight point five million acres of our national forest system in a relatively unroaded way. So there were exceptions baked into this rule that allowed for some roads to be built in these places if there was you know, need for wildfire mitigation and management. There were exceptions put into this rule that would allow some new road building in the case of wildlife habitat improvement projects being needed. But in general, this fifty eight point five million acres of national forests would not be the home for new roads, so it would leave this area and they relatively undeveloped, relatively intact, relatively unfragmented state. And it has been in that state for you know, twenty four years now. And these places are some of our you know, our best, our last best backcountry elk hunting spots, mule deer hunting spots, you know, high country trout spots. I went on my two kids at the time, they were four and six. I think it was their first backpacking trip with both of them, or maybe the three and five that was in one of our inventory roadless areas. I killed my first elk on an inventoried roadless area. So long story short, these are really really special places, and they're in the news right now because the administration has proposed removing that rule entirely, rolling back all of those protections. So that's the high level scoop. That's what the roadless rule is. That's why it's in the news right now. 00:11:12 Speaker 2: Gotcha. And so what are the I guess what are the main arguments on both sides of the issue. What's the rationale for You've laid out a bit of about the benefits of these roadless areas for hunters and anglers, but what's the rationale for rolling it back. 00:11:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, so in the proposal in the you know, in all of the press releases and comments from the administration, from the Secretary of Agriculture, the reason for rolling back the roadless rule has supposedly been to to help you know, move forward with President Trump's executive order to expand timber production and then also to better manage our forests. There's been a lot of talk about the fact that, you know, our forests have been undermanaged. 00:11:56 Speaker 4: They have you know, too much. 00:12:00 Speaker 5: Fuel for wildfire, so wildfire risk is high, the habitat isn't as good for wildlife, We're not producing as much timber as maybe we have in the past, and so the argument is that if we roll back the roadless rule, that will fix all of that. 00:12:14 Speaker 4: That's why they say they should roll this rule back. 00:12:17 Speaker 5: On the flip side, advocates for the rule, which include most all environmental and conservation groups, most hunting and fishing groups that I've seen, have all been coming out very strongly in support of the rule. The reason why we think the rollless rule should stick around is because, as I mentioned, this is protecting some of our last best hunting and fishing places. This is protecting, you know, some of our last unfragmented wildlife habitat for so many species, whether it be species we hunt fish or endangered and threatened species. We do not have very many of these places that are not already broken up and separated and bifurcated by roads and open to develop. So this is something that is pretty rarely days. As I mentioned, there are exceptions already for wildfire management and for habitat management. Trout Unlimited has done a great job of starting to quantify this. If you go to their website, they've got an interactive map that showcases where these inventory roadless areas are and what kinds of management management efforts have been happening there. So significant wildfire mitigation efforts have been underway in these places. So it's it's false to say that these places have not had any management or any work done on them. But certainly, you know, there's an argument to be made that our national forces absolutely can and should be managed better. We do need to manage for fire risk, we do need to manage for wildlife habitat. 00:13:44 Speaker 4: And I think there's you know, two things to consider. 00:13:47 Speaker 5: One, a lot of that should be happening not in our back country roadless areas, but up in the wildland urban interface where there already are roads. Something like eighty or eighty five percent of all of our wildfires are started by us, first off, and I think it's ninety percent of the fires on our National Forest start within a half mile of a road. 00:14:07 Speaker 4: So roads typically are what leads. 00:14:08 Speaker 5: To wildfires igniting and started. That's where the stuff's happening a lot of the time, and the places that we want to protect from fire, homes, human development. You know, that stuff's not in these roadless areas is up on that what they call it the the wildline urban interface. 00:14:25 Speaker 4: So the wouie, I think is what people refer to that as. 00:14:28 Speaker 2: Who could forget? 00:14:30 Speaker 4: What's that? 00:14:30 Speaker 2: Who could forget that? 00:14:31 Speaker 4: The WOOI yeah, the wooie. 00:14:34 Speaker 5: So, yeah, we need to have management that can be done in these places that are not in our inventory roldless areas it should be. There's plenty of challenges to that that can be addressed, and maybe there are ways we can improve the roadless rule. I think there's room for enhancing it, fixing it, finding more ways for more of these exceptions to be created for temporary roads, to do more of this careful management in the right ways. I think there's a conversation to be had there and a lot of conservation and hunting and fish organizations I think would be happy to engage in that. But this wholesale rollback of all of it that would eliminate all of these you know, carefully managed and protected places that benefit a lot of folks and a lot of wildlife and a lot of user bases. That seems the wrong way to go about this, at least my two cents on the matter. 00:15:22 Speaker 2: Sure, are there specific regions or forests where this debate is particularly heated, like areas of the country that are going to be affected more than others. 00:15:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, So there are inventoried roadless areas, which are what we call these places that the roadless road applies to. There are iras inventory roadless areas and thirty nine different states from west coast to east, but the vast majority of these spots are in the ten Western states, and Alaska in particular, with the Tongus National Forest has probably the largest impacted zone. The Tongas has about just over nine million acres of roadless area there. So that would make a huge uh, This would be a really big deal if the roadless role was rescinded, especially up there in the Tongas where you have you know, there were a lot of roads built back in the day to start developing the Tongas, and that has you know, for example, really really impacted salmon and steelhead runs up there because every one of these roads has culverts crossing hundreds and hundreds of different streams, and that's a major issue now that I know that Trod and Limited has been working on for years trying to you know, fix culverts and open up passageway for fish through these many, many different roadways. 00:16:39 Speaker 4: So there's a lot to be discussed there in Alaska. 00:16:41 Speaker 5: I know, for example, you know, in Wyoming and Montana, some of my favorite places that I've spent time in, those could possibly be impacted. So if you live in the West especially, this is something you should be paying attention to. But I know in New Hampshire, in North Carolina, in Michigan, all those states have less areas that could be impacted as well. 00:17:02 Speaker 2: Gotcha? And what should people who care about public lands access and conservation be watching for as this issue develops? Where do things stand right now? And if they want to weigh in, how can hunters and anglers make a difference on this? 00:17:17 Speaker 5: Yeah, So this past Friday, so five six days ago, the administration officially proposed this rollback and opened up a comment period. The comment period is a twenty one day window that we the public have to submit to the administration our thoughts on this proposal. And so I you know, any hunter and angler who cares about these last roadless places and who would like to see them, you know, protect them this way, should absolutely go and submit a comment explaining, you know, why these wild places, why these roadless areas are important, why the careful management of them in such a way is important for hunting and fishing and wildlife and whatever else it is that you love to do. If you go to backcountry hunters dot org, there's an action center there that has an opportunity for you to send a letter to your elected officials, and then also instructions for how to access the Federal Register, which is where you submit your official comments. So what I'd ask everyone to do is to go there, follow the action items there on that document, which would be sending the note, and then submitting an actual comment to the Federal Register. We have until September nineteenth to do so. And so you know, this is this is the democratic process. This is our opportunity to get in there and submit our thoughts, to share our perspectives, and to ask our elected officials and those who are appointed by them to do what's best for the public and the long term future of these places and the wildlife that live on them, and we got to speak up. 00:18:52 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Mark, thanks for thanks for helping us better understand this issue and for everything you're doing for public lands. I know you got some groceries to unload and you've got some deer to hunt this afternoon, So with that we'll let you go. 00:19:09 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Thanks Mark. Good Night's Mark. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: Boy, he's got a he's got a good delivery there. 00:19:17 Speaker 3: Oh, great delivery. Great. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: Good to have advocates like that on our side. 00:19:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. On that note too. 00:19:23 Speaker 6: Rashad comment and said Mark just got out of the grocery store and remembered he was supposed to go live today. I will say, Mark, the reason for that is that Mark is that technically off the clock today. Yeah, he's out of the office. So he did us a big favor jumping in. 00:19:33 Speaker 2: So's he's on a little family hunting and fishing trip and he took time out of his busy time off. 00:19:40 Speaker 1: Can I can I throw in a little color on roadless? 00:19:43 Speaker 3: Sure, because so we call it. 00:19:46 Speaker 1: Roadless, but there's about twenty million acres out there that have pre existing road networks mark cover that at the very beginning. Then at the end he kind of went back to roadless, which it is roadless designated, but there are pre existing roads out there that people walk and hike and used to access deeper into these areas. But sometimes that gets thrown around as like. 00:20:11 Speaker 2: The oh yeah we're locked out. 00:20:13 Speaker 1: Well yeah, there's that too, but they're like, oh, yeah, your roadless has roads on it. 00:20:17 Speaker 3: How is it roadless? Right? 00:20:21 Speaker 1: And the you know, the big thing here is that there is a history of litigation by certain groups when the roadless rule is used as it should be to try to build roads for the purposes of habitat. 00:20:44 Speaker 3: And things like that. 00:20:45 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of sewing that goes on to stop all road and building even though it's written into the roadless rule, and some of those feelings have very much come to the surface to say get rid of the roadless rule. 00:20:59 Speaker 3: But the flip side of this is. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: That you see the same thing with the Endangered Species Act. 00:21:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly is the roadless rule is really working for a lot of people in a lot of areas. And so obviously there's middle ground here for roadless rule reform where it's needed, and this idea of it's got to be all one way or all the other way is just not accurate. And so this is just really lazy management to say, okay, get rid of the whole thing, and also to classify this as only a timber play is completely wrong. Timbers the thing that gets absolutely talked about the most, both in fire fuel reduction, which nobody's come out to say how we're going to pay for reducing you know, low growth that is not marketable by and large unless it's extremely close to like a pellet facility or you know, a pull situation that makes it something you would get paid to do versus something you pay for obviously right now, like we're not talking about paying for a lot of things, right right. That's why I bring that up. So the other thing that's not getting talked a lot about here is this would provide the ability to build roads to areas for mineral withdrawal. And when we talk about mineral withdrawal, we're talking about something with large footprints and long term impacts that instead of our friends seth here having to wait for a logging operation to get done over the course of a couple of seasons, and then going in and hunting that stuff that now provides early successional growth that animals love to come in and eat and can be really good hunting if if that cut is done in the correct way. We're talking about an area that Seth does not go back into for his entire lifetime because it takes a long time to run these mineral extraction operations, and obviously we need stuff that comes out of the ground too. But is that a situation where we have to roll back this entire thing, or can we identify these areas right and say, hey, this is really important right now, we need to reform the roadless rule. 00:23:33 Speaker 2: To accommodate these yes, specific things. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:23:35 Speaker 1: So, like, I, for one, very sick and tired of a Democrat administration coming in swinging the pendulum extremely one way and then a conservative administration coming in swinging it completely the opposite way, when I feel like most Americans are like, oh, this thing in the middle makes sense. 00:23:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, well, agreed, keep pounting the drum our. Next segment is show would tell shot down. 00:24:11 Speaker 3: Man? 00:24:12 Speaker 2: Shot down? The sweet tones? 00:24:17 Speaker 1: Shot is the song It's better? Or Philip dancing to his own song better? Probably this is like his morning showers. 00:24:27 Speaker 2: Stink face is good. Stink face is good. 00:24:30 Speaker 1: Can you see I'm putting gel in his hair to that song? 00:24:32 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that cut seth. Let's start with you did you bring to share with the class today? 00:24:37 Speaker 3: I brought a thing that I found out on the prairie one time when I was hunting deer. 00:24:46 Speaker 2: Boy, that's neat. 00:24:47 Speaker 3: This is a bison skull that I found sticking out of a bank. Wow in Montana. It's an eater size bison. Yeah, not a big one. 00:24:58 Speaker 2: Where are you hunting deer in Montana? And uh, like county? Just joking. 00:25:06 Speaker 3: So, my wife had just killed a pretty cool cactus buck, and we were several miles from our vehicle at this point in time, and it was starting to get dark, and uh, I just pulled up the old ONEX and noticed that there was a two track that got us a little closer. So I kept her there to work on the deer. She needed some experience in breaking critters down by herself anyway, opportunity. 00:25:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, so plus then you don't have to be there during that process. Yep. 00:25:37 Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm gonna go back and get the get the truck and make a loop and we'll get a little closer for the pack out. So I did that, and all my way there, I just happened to catch out of the corner of my eye a little bit of white sticking out of a bank that was wasn't even like a exposed type bank that has like, you know, a bunch of soil and stuff. It was just like completely over and grass and little woody shrubs and set. Yeah, and uh yeah, I just saw a little piece of white and I kind of got the digging around and it just kept getting bigger and bigger and ended up digging that thing out, which was cool. Yeah, I should I was in a hurry, so I kind of there was a lot more to it than this. Yeah, I should have taken my time and got the whole thing. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you got got the misses back there being like, yeah, just abandoned go. 00:26:35 Speaker 2: The butchering went all right. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: Well I got back and uh she had just stopped and was like I got to a point where I just didn't know what I was doing, so I figured I'd wait for you, gotcha? But uh yeah, very cool. 00:26:49 Speaker 2: So I never found one. 00:26:51 Speaker 3: I'd love to, you know, there's a lot of them out there. You just got to find them. A lot of them are buried. But a cool story about the the buck she killed. I found that deer like twelve miles away the day before. Oh cool. Yeah, And we woke up that morning and we're like, we're just gonna go hunt a different area, and for whatever reason, it to be that deer overnight. 00:27:13 Speaker 2: To get killed. 00:27:14 Speaker 3: Moved a lot. So yeah, that's cool, that's really cool. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: Cal, What did you bring the class here? 00:27:21 Speaker 1: So I actually thought about this m first time here? Or meteor radio life, Nate says, who wants to place odds on what Cal takes off the wall for his show? 00:27:30 Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so. 00:27:34 Speaker 2: Take off the nightstand, I think. 00:27:36 Speaker 1: So this is the first real good book I've read in a while here, and it's by this dude, Nate Schweber, who was actually I think we were actually classmates, or maybe we didn't overlap, but he's a Hellgate knight a little Montana just like I am. This America of ours Bernard Navis Devoto, and it is a great conservation history book. It's got a lot of relevance for this time in space right now. There's a healthy help on of super cute love story. There's all sorts of I would call him like celebrity cameos in here that are are really interesting as well. 00:28:21 Speaker 3: But really. 00:28:25 Speaker 1: It tackles a lot of like land theft, public land theft, and it's like. 00:28:30 Speaker 2: He's really engaged in like the late forties and fifties right to photo, Yeah. 00:28:35 Speaker 1: I mean earlier earlier in that too, taken before his time. Yeah, big old heart attack. Yeah, cut him down. 00:28:44 Speaker 2: But so when you're looking to forget about your day to day stresses, pick up a book about public land theft and pillaging of our shared resources. 00:28:55 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:28:55 Speaker 1: And the reality is is just like today, the reason that folks trying to take all this awesome stuff away from us is because folks were paying attention. 00:29:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it took. 00:29:06 Speaker 1: Gold Bernard and nave us here to shine a little light on the situation. So great book, highly recommend. 00:29:14 Speaker 2: Very cool. Yeah, appreciate it well. I brought. I brought two things. One I was the first idea, and I thought it was a good psa. So I was looking at the gear shelf and oh, bless your heart, this is the deuce number three. It's a trial for burying your waist when you need to defecate in the woods, which I hope to be doing plenty of this fall if my work commitments allow. This probably weighs like like weighs like a couple credit cards. I mean, it's nothing. Slide it right there next to your water bottle. Well maybe not next to your water bottle, but it fits almost anywhere. It's flat and burier. Duke folks cal had an unfortunate incitant recently. 00:29:59 Speaker 1: The whole weekend the was just marked by human feces on dogs in dogs surface pooping. Ye, human surface pooping. The woods around Bosangelus are heavily loved by humans and they're not burying their waist. 00:30:16 Speaker 2: So if you, if you're going out into the woods this fall, and I hope you. 00:30:20 Speaker 1: Are, imagine a long haired border collie, be prepared rolling in your feces, yeah, and then running back and wanting to jump in the vehicle. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: So this is this actually says on here. 00:30:31 Speaker 3: It's bad. 00:30:32 Speaker 2: It's zero point ninety seven ounces. 00:30:35 Speaker 1: Snort eight for human poop and we make out think of that. Yeah, it's horrifying. It is horrifying, Randall, Why is that deduced number three? 00:30:44 Speaker 2: They have different sizes, gotcha? 00:30:46 Speaker 3: I think that's adults. 00:30:48 Speaker 2: That's great question. Yeah, there's different sizes. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: I mean, mama bear, baby bear. 00:30:55 Speaker 2: I used to knock a bear trowel. 00:30:57 Speaker 7: Guy. 00:30:57 Speaker 2: I used to be like, oh, there's plenty of sticks in the woods, but you know, when you got to go, you don't want to have to dig around for something to dig around with. 00:31:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, or just grabbing that rock to flip over. 00:31:06 Speaker 2: Just grab the deuce and release the deuce, as I like to say, there you go. And then I also, uh, I lost my bipod hunting last fall, and uh, it fell off my rifle. It's got a like a little arc of clamp and I was in a I was in an unfortunate situation of trying to get a shot off at an animal and lost my bipod. Didn't realize until I got back home. Followed my Onyx track and grabbed it last week. So a little once over with the wire wheel on the dremal and she's good to go. So nice, ready for ready to getting ready for the fall. I couldn't make up my mind when I visited the gear bench. 00:31:39 Speaker 3: I like it. 00:31:40 Speaker 1: So you just just casually strolled in, just grabbed. 00:31:42 Speaker 3: Something, didn't even think about it. 00:31:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go, audience, phil Uh, what's chat saying? 00:31:48 Speaker 6: Hey, listen your feedback. We got some good questions this week. This might be a good one for cal. I don't know, but Leland asks, what are everyone's favorite dove recipes? 00:31:59 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, Yeah, don't cook them too long? 00:32:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of medium, raresh and and just gnawm them off the bone. I've also ground him into sausage. My favorite thing that I've ever done, probably is you take your dove breasts and throw some kotia cheese and cilantro and salt and a little cumin, and run that stuff through the grinder and use the soft sausage stuff and attachment and just shoot it right into halapinos. Oh, and then just roast the jlipinos while on the top deck of the Pellet Girl. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: It's kind of like a twist on the classic popper. 00:32:43 Speaker 3: Oh people, Yeah, it's a killer. That's real good. 00:32:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've classier than the I've always done, like a classic popper. Or just throw them on the grill real quick and yeah them rare. 00:32:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. We used to fill at the meat off the breast and throw it in spaghetti sauce. It was like instead of me like spaghetti and me balls. There was like spaghetti and duve breasts. Good. 00:33:09 Speaker 6: Ramble Ethan says, did you pick up some skyline while you were home? And follow up for me, how was the tailgate tour your stop? 00:33:17 Speaker 2: Well, I can answer the first question pretty quickly. 00:33:20 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:33:21 Speaker 2: Immediately after the Ohio State Buckeyes vanquished the uh deplorable Texas Longhorns, I celebrated with four cheese conies onion mustard in a small freeway. And then when the guy came back and he said with the check, and he said, you guys good, I said, no, bring me another cheese cony please, just one onion and mustard. So I had five plus three way And the next day I went to the Reds game. And on the way to the Reds game, I had four cheese conies, onion and mustard, and I wanted to get more, but time didn't allow it. I was on sort of a you know, I had to crammele lot in I think, going to the zoo, going to the baseball game, catching a fish. 00:34:04 Speaker 3: I did it all. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: But the tailgate tour was good. I met some delightful folks. I saw there was a question there about ehd in Ohio, and I heard a lot about EHD in Ohio. Sounds like it's pretty bad at the moment. And actually, when I was driving back from the airport to my folks house, there's a guy that you know, like the houses that like we'll write something on plywood and stick it out by the road with their thoughts on the world. And this guy had written postponed deer Hunting twenty twenty five, let the herd recover. 00:34:34 Speaker 3: WHOA wow. 00:34:35 Speaker 2: And that was like a half an hour off. After I got off the plane, I was like, whoa, this is pretty serious. And then sure enough that sort of peaked my curiosity. And the next day I heard a lot about EHD. So but all in all, fabulous to be in the Buckeye State and got to see Ohio State win, got to see the Reds win, and got to see some gorillas. 00:34:56 Speaker 6: So, and that was Mason asking about EHD in Ohio. This is from Stephen question for Seth. I'm trying to beat twelve pounds four ounces Walleyes. Is four pack a consideration or should I just be considering eerie? 00:35:12 Speaker 3: I think you're narrowing it. You're narrowing in too much. There's lots of places where you can beat twelve pounds four ounces. The whole Missouri River system as as a whole is pretty fantastic. A lot of places in the Midwest. I'd recommend looking at survey data from local or from state fish and game agencies. You can a lot of times you can go on there and see when they survey different lakes. They'll do something that fish app with that has all the survey data in it, the. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: I fish what what is the the onyx. 00:35:56 Speaker 3: On ex fish fish app has. I think they have Wisconsin and Minnesota and I think they just dropped Ohio recently. But yeah, you can go on there and look at different lakes and see trophy potential. But I mean Fort Peck and Eerie are both great fisheries. But I'm not sure where you live, but there might be places a lot closer to home. Great good luck, I hope you beat it. Hey, Jamie, your Amber would your Amber your wife Amber would like us to say hi to you. Hi, thanks for being a watcher and a listener. 00:36:36 Speaker 2: Shout out, shout out, Jamie Thibodeaux. 00:36:39 Speaker 3: There you go. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: Assuming you have the same last name as your wife. 00:36:41 Speaker 6: Ralph asks cal A couple of months ago you were on and talking about boots. You said, always get a good pair of insuls. I am in the market for some insuls and would love a recommendation if you have any. Thanks, boy, Yeah. 00:36:54 Speaker 1: Go some place where you can kind of get an idea of what you're in s dep is and then you like, you know, the I don't know what they call a little footboard things any like kind of nice boot shop has something like this, and they oftentimes have an assortment of all the insoles out there too, and and the difference between the insuls is like cushion, but also how it fits the arch of your foot. And you know, like all good things in life, it takes a little little do one, little little time invested on your part. But uh yeah, fine, final one that that feels comfy and and eliminates that foot slide and you'll be in good shape if. 00:37:46 Speaker 3: If for alf lives in central Pennsylvania. Little shameless plug for the family, but definitely Center Boot Company, they'll get you, They'll get your squared away. Cool. 00:37:55 Speaker 6: Let's do one more yeah before the next segment. Here is from mad Sean a question for the crew for mid October Hunts. How do you adjust calling an approach when hunting elk? He specifically says, Roosevelt elk but in dense coastal forest compared to rocky Mountain environs. 00:38:11 Speaker 2: Sounds like a question for old Ryan Callahan. 00:38:14 Speaker 3: Boy, let's call Jason Phelps. 00:38:19 Speaker 1: Boy. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: I don't know much about Roosevelt elk. I would love to go over there and hunt those things. They're super cool. 00:38:28 Speaker 3: I do know that calling. 00:38:30 Speaker 1: Calling works, is just hard to hear them because the foliage is so dense. Late or sorry, early to mid October around here is typically when the herds are are built up and they're bigger, and that means they are more vocal, so you have a good chance of locating elk because they're more talkative. And then cow calls, calcaf calls and combo can bring in satellite and raghorn bowls on the fringe, which most of the time when I'm hunting elk, I'm hunting broadside elk. I don't need to go find the big herd bull because I want to put that sucker in my freezer and then worry about mule deer. 00:39:16 Speaker 3: I agree, can agree more. 00:39:20 Speaker 2: Thank you, Phil, and for those of you in the chat. Keep them coming, Please keep them coming. We'll hit it again. Our next segment is Hot tip Off. 00:39:33 Speaker 3: Yeah that's salty, Yeah that's salty. 00:39:47 Speaker 2: Hot tip Off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice and after we hear each tip, will declare which one is hotter. I think we should change that to read and after we hear both tips. If you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to radio at the meeteater dot com with the subject line hot Tipoff. This week, Hot tip Off is brought to you by Mountain Oopsnops. Mountain Oops supports your daily journey from mountain training to overall well being, optimizing performance, enhancing recovery, and bolstering health, preparing you for any challenge. Today's competitors are Chad in Coorvia from Eagle, Idaho and Nick Moroldy from Cragsmore, New York, and they're competing for the Meat Eater Classic Bison Hoodie. Folks in the chat, please chime in let's see those hot tips. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: Phil Nick Maroldy. 00:40:47 Speaker 7: Hey guys, it is Nick coming with a hot tip, so good way to start training for your season and get your kids outdoors at the same time. See here, I got my little guy in the chest carrier. I got my little girl in the osprey backpack. This is a great workout that's self progressing. So I started with just the one progress to two. It's gonna have to get a little creative if we have three or as this one gets too big for the chess carrier. But again, self progressing workout gets your kids excited to be outside, and it gets you some points with the wife because she's got a couple hours to not. 00:41:29 Speaker 8: Have anybody hanging off of her. All right, I hope you enjoyed. Take care, Chad in corfy up, hi. 00:41:40 Speaker 9: Me eater wanted to spit a hot tip. I'm preparing to head down to Utah for an elk hunt, and in putting my kill kit together, I got my. 00:41:47 Speaker 4: Meat hanging string. 00:41:48 Speaker 9: This is waxed nine strand string used for a lot of commercial purposes. Has a weight rating of about one hundred and forty pounds. I'll hang an elk quarter off one strand of that. See it's waxed, so it holds its shape pretty good. Makes it easy to tie knots. This twelve foot piece I just weighed is about four and a half grams or point one six ounces. To show you how strong it is, I have a piece hanging up here and a makeshift pull apart. I weigh about two hundred and thirty pounds and you can see just a couple strands. 00:42:18 Speaker 2: It carries it well, no problem. 00:42:23 Speaker 9: So instead of pair of cord or other heavy ropes, grab yourself some waxed nine strand. 00:42:29 Speaker 3: Col h fine based off his garage there he has some experience. Yeah that guy killed. Smell guy looks like a killer. Yeah, he borrowed a lot of hell. 00:42:41 Speaker 6: The poll is live in the chat. You guys are picking the winners of two different contests today. I feel like we're giving you too much power. 00:42:49 Speaker 2: But yeah, I want to strip some of power from them and appropriate it to ourselves. But yeah, get get in there and vote. I you know, beyond honest. I liked the joke about this being a self What did he call? How did he describe his workout? 00:43:07 Speaker 3: Self progressing? 00:43:08 Speaker 2: Self progressing workout? It's very clever. Yeah, Plus he probably gets to eat a lot of like cheerios and stuff that they drop on the ground. The one worry I have, though, is that. Whenever I see someone with baby on their back or on their chest, I'm like, Okay, that's good. They know if they fall they can go that way or that way opposite the baby. Right when you got babies on all sides, he can either go left or right. Yeah, you gotta go left or right. And that's not good for the old rotator cuff. 00:43:36 Speaker 1: Nope, you guys doing anything too dangerous? Too dangerous, why you won't be doing that particular training actors. 00:43:42 Speaker 2: Precisely precisely, it seems like. And also I'm far behind this man in uh in his development of his equipment. So you guys doing any uh, doing any hiking, doing any getting prepped for the old season. 00:44:00 Speaker 1: I've been so short on time. I have been just trying to like bust out on trail runs. I mean, as much as possible daily, if possible. But I put the shortened time there because I'm trying to make myself feel as poorly as possible with the least amount of time. Otherwise hiking would be good. I do some running a couple times a week and then hit the weights a couple times a week. 00:44:28 Speaker 4: See you in here. 00:44:29 Speaker 3: It's really it's not like a season prep. It's just like general maintenance for my entire life. So this poll is could not be closer. So you have not voted, you can tip the scales, so you get in there. They're gonna end in about thirty seconds here. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: If there are fewer than three hundred votes out of our audience of three hundred and fifty three, I'll be sorely disappointed voting as you're right as an American, and it's unconscionable that people don't participate when given the option. 00:45:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, what are the voting statistics the opportunity? 00:45:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I just think it's embarrassing, like people, you know, vote three hundred and sixty one. Come on, get in there. I'd like to see three hundred and twenty votes. Uh yeah, I like the guy mentions he carries it. Well, that was one of my I thought that guy two hundred and thirty pounds I got stacked. 00:45:23 Speaker 3: Looks great, I got stacked. 00:45:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, we'll give this ten more seconds. I have not been doing much preparation or training. I've been on a real downhill slide since visiting Germany two months ago. Just gotten a lot of bad habits in terms of what I'm putting in my body, and I feel it every day when I wake up. 00:45:43 Speaker 1: I mean the Ohio trip. I didn't want to say anything on that note. 00:45:47 Speaker 6: I was going to ask if you wanted to go a Guta lounda trip after the recording. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could be talked into that. I could be talking. Yeah, yeah, I actually didn't. I mean, thankfully, I didn't drink that much Ohio. I just ate a lot of cheese. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: I feel like I can't end there pole It's so close. Oh, oh my god. Amount of cheese. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: Is just a lot. You haven't even seen the VIDs yet. 00:46:10 Speaker 1: And then the saltiness of the oh I feel like it's so good. You're just entering one into your heart. 00:46:17 Speaker 2: It's so good. 00:46:17 Speaker 1: I don't pride myself on like overly healthful eating. 00:46:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that's tough. And Seth is the spouse of an artist. You'll appreciate this. I found a painting that I'd like to buy a print of, and it's a Skyline chili parlor with a man dishing out Skyline chili and Pete Rose is sitting there eating with him. Joe Burrow, oh Mary Larkin Ken griffyr all the all the Cincinnati like classic athletes, and they're just all enjoying join a nice three way, Phil, How are we doing on this pole? 00:46:47 Speaker 3: I got it? Okay. 00:46:48 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm describing artwork that I saw in a fast food restaurant, so we should probably wrap it up. 00:46:52 Speaker 3: I'm hoping you'll have another Instagram reel about your time in Ohio eating these. 00:46:56 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:46:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to figure out. I forgot how to do voiceovers, how to do the voice change on on voiceovers? 00:47:02 Speaker 3: So oh, just YouTube, I got. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: I got a I got a real coming of our Costco hot dog run. I got a real comedy of my Cincinnati trip with some hot stuff. 00:47:11 Speaker 6: With just over fifty percent of the vote, like fifty and a decimal points, the winner is Chad the wax string for hanging whoa. 00:47:23 Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting it. In Corvi, it was back and forth for a while. I am interested in that doesn't always win, That's what That's why I. 00:47:32 Speaker 2: End up carrying so much paracord. I've got like my para cord to hang my food. I got my pair cord to hang some meat. I got the paar coord for just having paracord. You can just cut a little bit of that out. 00:47:43 Speaker 3: Parachord for hanging your para cord. 00:47:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, just cut a little bit of that out with this wax nine strand we'll be running. 00:47:49 Speaker 6: And Chad for winning the hot tip Off, you will be receiving this wonderful Meat Eater hoodie, bice and hoodie. Look, I'm pretty sure we'll be getting a hold of you to get your size and address information. 00:48:02 Speaker 3: So yeah, I thank Yeah. If you would like to submit a tip and win something like this wonderful Bison hoodie, please submit your hot tips. 00:48:12 Speaker 2: Radio at the meat Eater dot com with the subject line hot tip off. 00:48:17 Speaker 1: I thought you were actually asking me, Phil because I don't own that sweater, and I was. 00:48:21 Speaker 3: Like, well, I get I could, but I actually do own that one. It's one of my favorites. It's thick. 00:48:30 Speaker 2: Joining us on the line next is Ben Batton, Deputy director of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, who is coming to us live from Bozeman, Montana, at a meeting of the Mississippi Interstate Cooperative Resource Association. Ben, Welcome to the show. 00:48:46 Speaker 6: So, so Ben was in the waiting room as you said his name. I think he might have picked up his phone to get ready and then accidentally left. So we're gonna wait here for Ben to rejoin. Oh no, I'm sure he's fine. I don't think it was anything like a kidnapping. 00:49:01 Speaker 2: He was very excited for this. He was he was surprising if he'd abandoned us. 00:49:06 Speaker 3: No, he was. I think he just accidentally left the room. 00:49:09 Speaker 2: This, this is unexpected. 00:49:14 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, we just saw Yeah, I just saw him. He was right there. Well, we couldn't do the trail cam contest while we. 00:49:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, why don't we give something? Oh hey, Ben, how are you sir? 00:49:31 Speaker 10: All right, guys, you're not gonna believe this. I got one for you. Here is the ultimate hot tip. I was sitting out for you all and two seconds before I go on, I get your phone's too hot? 00:49:44 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that that always seems to hit it the wrong time. 00:49:49 Speaker 10: I'm gonna hatty, you're in Boeman and I went and dumped my phone. 00:49:59 Speaker 2: That's commitment, that commitment to the show. We appreciate that, Ben. 00:50:03 Speaker 3: Ben. 00:50:03 Speaker 2: Can you tell our listeners who might not be familiar with the Mississippi Interstate Cooperative Resource Association and I can guarantee that it's most of them. Can you explain what the organization is and who participates. 00:50:17 Speaker 10: Yeah, absolutely, thanks again, guys around me on, I really appreciate it. So MICRA is the leadership for fishery manager throughout the Mississippi River basin. And so there's thirty one states in the basin. We currently have twenty eight folks and this is going to be what's called the Chief of Fisheries. Every state fish and Game agency has you know, some number of employees, but the head is usually called the chief. 00:50:41 Speaker 3: So it's those folks. 00:50:42 Speaker 10: We also have federal agencies like US Fish and Wildlife Service, US Geological Survey on for Tennessee Valley Authority, folks like that. And then of course all the tribes within the basin are welcome. And basically, in short, the purpose of MICRA is to do it we can coordinating inner jurisdictional fish species. 00:51:03 Speaker 2: Gotcha, What are some of the challenges or projects that you're currently working on as an organization? 00:51:11 Speaker 10: All right, Well, I think what makes the Missing River basin awesome is also some of the biggest challenges. I mean one point two million square miles three hundred and twenty million acres, you know, the Missippi River basin. Every drop of water that goes from the east side of the Rockies to the west side of the Appalachians ends up in the Gulf. So it's just gigantic. It's the fourth largest basin in the planet after the Amazon, Congo and the Nile. So scale here is a challenge. Also neat is that you know, a fish can swim from the Gulf twelve hundred miles without ever running into anything. Take a left and head up the Missouri all the way to Gavin's Points South Dakota another eight hundred miles, so two thousand miles a fish can swim before ever hitting a dam. But that's the best case in the in the in the area, I mean, there's dams and things like that that you know, mess with fish passage and fish being able to move. We love working on on a positive native fish species, you know, big cool things like cattlefish and sturgeon and things like that, catfish, et cetera. But probably our biggest drain on our energy is the invasive part issue that is most of the basin. 00:52:24 Speaker 2: Gotcha, Now, I understand that the micro's currently working towards being recognized by Congress. What does that recognition mean and what does that process involve. 00:52:37 Speaker 10: Yeah, that's great. I appreciate you guys checking on. So the goal of this, it's an association, so we just all exist by a bunch of signatures of you know, fisheries group leadership. But our goal since nineteen ninety one and establishment was to become a commission and basically that recognition would give us one just more stature and influence. So you know, a letter to Congress or some from this association doesn't carry near as much weight as it does from the Mississippi River Basin Fishery Commission. And then the biggest probably is funding and resource. I think you know, you guys talk all the time. I don't think you find anybody that's a manager across the country that would say they have enough resource to you know, for the challenges. And so this draft legislation that we have right now asks for in years two through five of existing thirty million dollars a year for the basin and then fifty million on after that. So a significant amount of resource that would help us out. Kind of you ask where, you know, what does it take? So we currently have draft bills both the House and the Senate on the Senate side, it's Bill ten seventy eight with sponsors from Senator Wicker and Mississippi, Boseman in Arkansas, and Baldwin and Wisconsin. And then on the House side fifteen fourteen the companion bill with Congressman ezelf and Mississippi and Carter of Louisiana. And we're currently looking for more sponsors. So if you are somebody out there that has connections there and we work with coalitions, it's just something you do on these bills, and so there will be groups you all are very familiar with, like BHA, Teddy Roosevelt Conservation Partnership, National Wildlife Federation, and American Sport Fish Association are all working with us to get this stick going good deal. 00:54:19 Speaker 2: And are there other interstate conservation partnerships that serve as a model for this approach and what have you learned from them? 00:54:28 Speaker 10: Yeah? Great question. So there's four existing fishery commissions. There's Gulf States, Pacific States, Atlantic States, and then the Great Lakes and those have all been around since somewhere between the late forties and the late fifties, and we visited with each of their leadership as we were doing this for kind of some Hey, what would you do differently? What worked great? That kind of thing, and so that was super helpful and we mostly patterned ours off the Great Lakes Commission and then probably the best known ination with is the Flyway Council system that manages water sure here in North America. 00:55:05 Speaker 2: Looking forward, what's what's on the horizon? Obviously you're working towards recognition, but but sort of what is the what's the discussion there about what's what's in the future for the for micro Yeah, we'll continue. 00:55:19 Speaker 10: To operate as we have for thirty four years, again coordinating and doing our best to manage you know, inner jurisdictional fisheries. Uh, but we're going to continue to go to the hill a couple of times a year DC and you know, beat the offices and try to get in there and get this bill across the lines. 00:55:37 Speaker 2: Great. Well been On a final note here, Arkansas was just in the news for its first bear attack in uh what I understand to be some twenty five years. Can you tell us a little bit about the facts of the incident and how if in any way Arkansas Game and Fish is responding. 00:55:55 Speaker 10: Yeah, sure, so, Uh, yesterday in West central Arkansas, there was an older gentleman working on a gravel road on a tracker doing some work, and he was working with his son who was a little bit out of out of eyesight. Son comes back, finds the dad on the ground and there's a bear attacking. Able to stop that, and game fish was obviously immediately called. They're heading up and about twenty minutes later they get there and they end up dispatching the bear. You know, it was a young bear, which is really rare that it was a yearling. They did eighty to one hundred pounds, and you know, just want to emphasize it's really a rare deal and especially for to be a young bear. And of course, you know, all of our thoughts are with the family of victim and everything else, and hope that he makes a successful recovery. 00:56:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, same same here. Ben, Thanks so much for taking the time to speak with us today and best of luck to you in the work of micro here. 00:56:57 Speaker 10: Appreciate the time. Thanks guys. 00:56:59 Speaker 3: Yep, we'll see. 00:57:03 Speaker 1: I heard that stuff happens all the time in Arkansas from Clay. Yeah, cougars, bear attacks, bigfoots, panthers. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get the impression from Clay that Arkansas is like the wild West. 00:57:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, sorry, Randall, did me to cut you off? 00:57:19 Speaker 4: Ye? 00:57:19 Speaker 3: Please? 00:57:20 Speaker 6: Feeling to appreciate before Just we have an update from our winner, Chad Uh. He referenced to Hunt that he was about to go on and this was the outcome. Nope, not that clever? Is it not working? 00:57:34 Speaker 3: To nice? Chad? You're even wearing the right stuff. Good for you, buddy man, that's probably why you know. 00:57:44 Speaker 2: That's exciting. 00:57:45 Speaker 3: Just why are we sitting here? 00:57:46 Speaker 2: I know, why are four? 00:57:48 Speaker 3: It's September beautiful. 00:57:50 Speaker 2: And I bet that I bet that wax nine strand uh handle those quarters nicely. 00:57:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chad, if I were you, I'd just roll around on that underside of that bowl so you can take that smell home with you for months. 00:58:03 Speaker 3: Oh I love it. I love it. 00:58:05 Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing, Phil. That really added to the depth and richness of this program. 00:58:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jake, Yeah, my producer reminded me about that. Thanks. Oh good job teamwork behind the bench there. 00:58:14 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's now time for our trailcam photo contest, presented by our friends at Moultrie. Speaking of Moultrie, you really should check out their new Edge three. We recently got to learn about this latest and greatest Moultrie camera and it is super impressive. Plus they've got even more exciting cameras coming soon. For this second round, we asked you folks to send us your big bull elk photos captured from your trail cameras. We got loads of submissions on the met Eater website, so choosing these top four contenders was difficult, to say the least. There are a lot of fighting balls, impressive racks, and bachelor herds to wet your appetite for fall hunting. The winner will receive two Edge two First Light Spector Camo addition multi street cameras with ten watts what ten watt solar power pack bundles and a two hundred and fifty dollars gift card to the meat Eater store and a two hundred and fifty dollars gift card to First Light and a case Knive's Brent Reeves signature mini trapper knife. 00:59:17 Speaker 3: You got Brent Reeves in the chat today? 00:59:19 Speaker 2: My goodness, how many watts watts? Ten? 00:59:23 Speaker 3: Ten? 00:59:24 Speaker 1: Great Scott, Yeah, Phil was sleeping on that. 00:59:31 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a gimme. 00:59:33 Speaker 2: I I just saw ten w and I second guessed myself in the moment, you know electricity. I'm like a medieval peasant when it comes to talking about watts and amps. 00:59:41 Speaker 3: And I. 00:59:43 Speaker 1: Do not enjoy the use of trail cameras other than the fun stuff like the you know, it's like it takes some of the mystery out of the woods. But at the same time, I also am jealous of not getting constant email update. It's of cool stuff walking around the woods. Yeah, it's a real conundrum. 01:00:03 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Phil, would you show us our top contenders please? 01:00:08 Speaker 3: I'd love to. This is number one. Gosh, this is from at seven sixteen three oh seven? What would you title that? Phil? Well, luckily we've got a title. It's called Brothers. Oh, it's beautiful. 01:00:24 Speaker 6: I don't know if Jake, if Jake titled these ones or the people who sent them in, I would guess just Jake. I don't know if everyone has settled it. 01:00:31 Speaker 1: But it's cousin how we should have had a guest spot with well Kelsey Morris in here? 01:00:36 Speaker 2: Yeah this actually? 01:00:37 Speaker 3: Would you title this beautifully? She's good at that stuff. 01:00:40 Speaker 2: What do we got? What do we got? 01:00:41 Speaker 3: Number two? That's number one here? I will start a pull after we view all of the. 01:00:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, remember, folks, you are choosing the winner that hefty, hefty prize. 01:00:50 Speaker 3: Package, insane price package. Okay. Number two is this from brockwe wad Box's great. 01:00:58 Speaker 1: Wow, that's yeah, crowny out. Yeah yeah, he's not gonna be like that for long better sticking fast, too many points. 01:01:09 Speaker 2: The surface of the water is really beautiful. You can see the reflection of some of the trees. 01:01:13 Speaker 3: There's water in that photo, all right. Number three this is from Heath Myers. Got butting heads actions. There's stuff going on in the background too. Yeah. Yeah, another Raghorn back there to the left. 01:01:28 Speaker 2: But these guys are putting on a real show. 01:01:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, butting heads is kind of lazy. 01:01:33 Speaker 1: We can do better than that. 01:01:34 Speaker 3: What else we have? 01:01:35 Speaker 6: Well, our producer Jake said that he titled all these so good. Good job Jake, Jake, you yeah, do better. Let's see all right, So that's the old tangled up Number four, Winter Wonder I cut off to the borders, cutting these titles off. 01:01:51 Speaker 3: That's that's on me. Winter. This is from Cage Rosen. That's a that's a or KD. Rosen. I don't know. 01:01:58 Speaker 2: A stark image. 01:01:59 Speaker 3: That's a good looking bull silhouetted nicely. 01:02:03 Speaker 6: Okay, I'm going to start this poll and then I will go through all of the photos again. You guys talk about them while I type up this pole here. 01:02:12 Speaker 1: Oh to me, there's a clear winner. Yes, yeah, same really, yeah, for sure. 01:02:17 Speaker 2: Say it at the same time two the brothers. There's disagreement. Yeah, I'd call it before the Rain my title Before the Rain. Waiting out there in that pond late Bogs Brothers is really I mean, if I took that photo with a handheld camera, I'd show everybody it's beautiful. 01:02:42 Speaker 3: Plus yeah, the back it is beautiful. Yeah. All right, I'm starting the poll and we'll go through the pictures again. 01:02:50 Speaker 2: But there's something haunting about that last image. 01:02:53 Speaker 1: I do like the last one, Like look at the backdrop. Yeah, the fact that you're not staring at a big muddy water hole. 01:03:01 Speaker 2: You can see this nice because you can. 01:03:02 Speaker 1: Get wild animals like looking wild on this. 01:03:06 Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. The gate of these bulls too. 01:03:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, can't get wild animals looking wild in a pond. No, they're just you know, it's like. 01:03:17 Speaker 6: Looks like there should be some Sam comments that he votes for in korvia The Big The Big in Korva, the big one. 01:03:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chad, we kind of we kind of popped this balloon already with a big dead bull. 01:03:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, Phil, let me get through. 01:03:30 Speaker 2: Let me get number two again, right, So. 01:03:32 Speaker 3: That's number one, so I can wade bogs. Number two. That's the one in the water here. 01:03:36 Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah. 01:03:39 Speaker 3: And then we've got number three butting heads. And that's a pretty picture. 01:03:43 Speaker 2: That's just fun. That's just darn fun. October twentieth. 01:03:46 Speaker 1: It's where the kids hang out right there. 01:03:49 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then Winter Wonder number four. It's good looking. I mean, it's it's an amazing al It is nine degrees. 01:03:58 Speaker 2: Twenty nine oh yeah, yeah, twenty nine fahrenheit. I was like you, Celsius. 01:04:02 Speaker 3: The only thing that I just noticed about number two the one that I voted for, and is uh is it a trail camp photo. We've got the quality photo. Yeah, I can't see the bottom out the border. I don't think the original photo had any timestamps. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Seth, you can't accuse one of our contestants of. 01:04:21 Speaker 3: Sure you can't. I like number one, Okay, Cow's vote is for Brothers. Number one. That says adventure. 01:04:29 Speaker 2: But what's really important is what the audience thinks is number is the winner. 01:04:34 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what us. 01:04:36 Speaker 2: Remember, you guys need to get in that in that poll. 01:04:38 Speaker 6: Only I can see the results right now we've got I don't I don't think this is going to swing. We've got a pretty clear winner. But I'll let this run for another minute. If you guys want to get some last minute votes in. 01:04:47 Speaker 3: Here, yeah, yeah, no, I feel like Randal, do you have a preference? 01:04:52 Speaker 2: Well, I just think number one is very tough to If those bulls were a little more impressive, it would just do it for me. 01:05:00 Speaker 1: Well, this is the last thing I'm gonna say. None of these animals are guaranteed to be there when you show up, right, So number one is like, man, could be anywhere, look at this country, but I know they're here somewhere. And then if we go to number two, like I'm gonna be stuck staring at this mud hole all day. 01:05:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can just go there and get them, Yeah, there and get them. I like getting them. 01:05:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, this just uh speaks to my heart, I think. 01:05:32 Speaker 6: But got several people in the chat saying that number one looks fake, and I don't know if it's just the stream you guys are seeing, but this looks like a pretty legitimate trail camp picture. 01:05:43 Speaker 4: To me. 01:05:43 Speaker 3: It does look legit. 01:05:44 Speaker 2: That's just what Montana looks like everywhere or wherever. 01:05:48 Speaker 6: This is all right, I'm putting an end of the poll because one like one of these photos ran away with it. 01:05:53 Speaker 2: Oh, let's do the CNN is now calling. 01:05:56 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, we're prepared to call Markopa County. The results are in the voting and the winner with forty percent of. 01:06:05 Speaker 2: The almost half of the vote. 01:06:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, clear winner number one. Brother. 01:06:11 Speaker 2: I hope we didn't taint. I hope we didn't taint the vote. 01:06:15 Speaker 3: Sold it was to take Yeah, I think is encouraged. 01:06:18 Speaker 2: Right, Well, congratulations to at seven one six underscore three oh seven. So it probably is a while. 01:06:25 Speaker 1: And just so everybody else, anything discussed on this podcast is our right to make it a T shirt, So tainting is encouraged as Yeah, that's ours be encouraged. 01:06:36 Speaker 3: Taint is on a T shirt is encouraged. 01:06:38 Speaker 2: Oh man, well, well gang, uh you know, congratulations to seven one six, three oh seven. You've got a heck of a prize package coming your way. Please say thanks to the audience if you if you find yourself in the chat in the future, because well, you're you've got some trail cams, you've got some gift cards, you've got a Brent Reeves signature knife headed your way, and I just closed out my script accidents. 01:07:03 Speaker 3: We got listener feedback, I got left. 01:07:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've been missing some of the some of the chat for the last few minutes that I've been running other stuff. 01:07:11 Speaker 2: You've been busy today, Phil, I hope you're doing all right. 01:07:13 Speaker 6: Let's start with just a fun recreational one may ask what's the crew's favorite non game or non target animal to just watch observe while hunting. 01:07:23 Speaker 3: Gray squirrels. Oh, they do weird stuff. Sometimes it's kind of fun to watch easily. 01:07:30 Speaker 1: Distracted and happily distracted bugs, horn toads, birds, doesn't matter. 01:07:36 Speaker 2: I'm gonna we're gonna call this a non target animal rather than non game animal. I'm gonna say a bear watching bears do stuff. Yeah, it's have The fun of bear hunting is just watching little bears fall off things, tip things, over do things for no reason at all. 01:07:54 Speaker 1: We had a crew of Swainson's hawks migrating through and for whatever reason, they're very social, so kind of curious I think they took note of the fact that I was aggressively observing their behavior. Sure, this is very urban, you know, greater fringe bos Angelus region here. And they came down a ripped part of squirrel on top of the fence. Oh yeah, I mean like twenty yard viewing. It was fantastic. Wow, got the stabilized binos out and it was great. It was eating right there with them, three of them, really really really awesome. Merlin app had was great, super fun. 01:08:39 Speaker 6: Isaac is stoked about bo seasons starting in Missouri in eleven days. Any sort of last minute rituals or things you guys do in the last days before going into season. 01:08:49 Speaker 2: Get all of the stuff done at home that is expected of you to get. 01:08:52 Speaker 3: Done eleven days before. Usually start shooting my bow about that time. Now I'm kidding, Hope you're shooting for a long time. 01:09:01 Speaker 2: You've got You've got a good week and a half to get your affairs in order so that you don't get a phone call saying that you know you need to come home to do this. Do that, you know, get you to find yourself in the good graces of your family unit and look forward to the season. 01:09:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, in Missouri. 01:09:19 Speaker 1: You're probably starting your permethrone treatment right now, which I think would be a crucial step to your game. 01:09:29 Speaker 6: This is from j He says, as we are closing in on many hunting seasons. If one makes a bad shot on large game and it takes longer than ideal to find said game, how do you determine what meat needs to be cut out or lost when you finally harvest? 01:09:42 Speaker 3: Smell stank, smell test it. 01:09:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's portions that can smell, and if those portions smell strong enough, remove them from the rest of the of the situation so the smell of that stuff doesn't contaminate you're you're sniffer because there there's typically is not all bad, and you need to salvage every edible thing that you can. 01:10:11 Speaker 6: This is one that I don't think we've gotten before. But favorite wild game meet pizza topic. Russell says. His is duck bacon and goossolami. Wow, he guys put a game on pizza. Yeah, just sa sausage. 01:10:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't do a whole lot of homemade pizzas, but yeah, I don't know elk nachos. It's almost pizza. 01:10:33 Speaker 1: Joe asked cal scent cover yay or nay. Walk into the wind. If you're stuck in a tree, like my friend Mark Kenyon, just face into the wind. 01:10:46 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:10:48 Speaker 1: We used to mess around with all that stuff and it just is just more complicates life. 01:10:53 Speaker 2: We should we should make a T shirt of Mark in a tree and just his help. I'm stuck in a tree. I'm Markon the host. 01:11:00 Speaker 3: Of David asked Randall Pete rose Gay your name. 01:11:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's a slime ball, but he's our slime ball. 01:11:12 Speaker 6: Yeah, Clifford, how does the crew store their food in Black Bear Mountain? Lyon Country lives in Arizona, so Brown Bear isn't an issue? Do you suggest putting food in the bag away from camp? I think the the general thing to do is to hang it, right. 01:11:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, hanging will just it's just going to solve issues. Because if you leave, let's say you have a like a dry bag or a stuff sack that you put all your all your food in once you get to camp, so you're organized and you're not packing around all your food and you're in your hunting bag every day. A squirrel is going to chew through that thing on the ground, and then you got a mess to clean up, and you lose stuff, and then you're in that situation of like, well, now I got to eat something that it's world half chewed on and hana virus and all that fun stuff. So you hang your food, even if you're not worried. It's just going to prevent other things from happening. And as I like to say, I'm totally fine if a bear kills me. That's but I don't I'm not fine if in the article it says. 01:12:22 Speaker 3: Didn't hang his food. Yep, and then I get lumped in like somebody who didn't know what was going on in the woods. 01:12:28 Speaker 2: Yep. It's just a wherever you can prevent a headache, like having something chewed through your backpack or whatever else, like prevent those headaches because something else is going to go wrong inevitably. 01:12:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, self, I wouldn't worry about mountain lions. What do you got, Phil? What do you got? 01:12:47 Speaker 2: Phil? 01:12:47 Speaker 3: Here we go? 01:12:48 Speaker 6: I feel a roll now, Yeah, real quick one for me. We get this question a lot videos on Spotify. We have no plans is not going to happen anytime soon, specifically just because of other agreements we've made for getting on Spotify. 01:13:01 Speaker 3: You can't. 01:13:02 Speaker 6: It's very It's it's a pretty slick interface, cutting edge. So when you just start, the audio of the video just plays automatically and you can choose to turn that on or off. Uh, Christopher catw what do you carry in the field for your doggy first aid kit? And where do you find any non typical items that you pack up? 01:13:21 Speaker 1: But you know, feed stores or your Murdochs or what are they like the firm? 01:13:28 Speaker 3: What is a. 01:13:30 Speaker 1: Mountain supply Rocky mountain supply. Feed stores always have a really awesome what is the tractor want. 01:13:37 Speaker 3: Tractor supply supply? 01:13:39 Speaker 2: Uh, that's hard place the tractor supplies. 01:13:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anyway, they always have a good vet section. It's typically around like livestock, but. 01:13:53 Speaker 3: Hot tip for you. 01:13:54 Speaker 1: Uh, you can go get doggy supplies there for uh boy, like a fifth of what they're going to charge you at the vet. 01:14:03 Speaker 3: Uh. 01:14:03 Speaker 1: So that's where I go. And I always have emt gel, which is like a liquid suture that can get you through some tough time. 01:14:15 Speaker 3: Gauze. 01:14:17 Speaker 1: I find a good tape that will stick to fur for holding gauze in place, or you know like. 01:14:27 Speaker 2: Get these big coband stuff. 01:14:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, you get this like zipper, like ninety degree tears in in dog hide from running into fence or corrugated metal when they're going nuts after roosters and stuff in that in that thick cover, and so you need something that's gonna hold that flap down. And then I use just good old fashioned iodine. Beta dye works well too, and I just carry you like a small container that this sounds like a lot of stuff, but it's really not. You can pack it down nice and tight, and then pseudo fat, pseudo fed is good. Not it's an anti histamine, but it is something just like it makes us drowsy. It can put a little chill into the dog when you need it to get relaxed, like if you are in a rattlesnake bite scenario, because you're not gonna suck the venomount like in an old John Ford film. Eye wash, a little bit of eye wash, just you know, you're over the counter stuff that folks with the bad eyesight used to flush their eyeballs out. That's like part of our routine to keep dog's eyes looking good because they pack a lot of seeds in there during hunting season, especially when it's hot and dry, which unfortunately it often is during bird season these days. So that little kit right there will definitely get you through the hard times, and you'll be able to package up your best buddy and get them someplace pro or get them into a good enough situation where they can keep hunting or walk themselves out. 01:16:14 Speaker 3: That's about really what you need. Hm. Great. 01:16:19 Speaker 6: I've got a couple questions about the new Wisconsin Meat Eater store. I don't think there's a specific opening date yet, but I think one update is that I think we're still hiring. 01:16:29 Speaker 3: So yeah, if you're in the area, I. 01:16:31 Speaker 2: Believe we're still hiring. 01:16:32 Speaker 3: Check out and isn't There's gonna be. 01:16:35 Speaker 2: A little opening celebration coordinating with our Tailgate tour stop in Madison, well Chester, Floyd and Spencer Newharth nice. So take a look at the Tailgate Tour schedule and I think the event page for that we'll have some mention of the event in Brookfield. 01:16:56 Speaker 1: I would I'd love to make it over there myself. He is a younger fella. I used to area. I had several good times in Milwaukee. Nice people, good food, lots of good the best. 01:17:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do one more. You guys have had some great questions this week. Thanks. 01:17:11 Speaker 6: I really appreciate it makes my job easier. But the most important one for last Randall Top three zoos. This is from Jackson. 01:17:19 Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like this episode got way to Randall centric. 01:17:22 Speaker 3: You are the host. Yeah, yeah, live it up, drink it in. Well, let's see you were just that one. 01:17:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was just at the Cincinnati Zoo. It's a world class, phenomenal institution. The gorilla world is above and beyond what I want when I go to look at primates, specifically great apes. Probably my most favorite zoo visit in recent memory was the shoon Gotten Zoo in Vienna, Austria. If you've never been to a zoo in a foreign country, I highly recommend it because you'll read things in a foreign language, and all of a sudden, it feels a lot more sophisticated than when you're just in you know, some suburban neighborhood, drink a beer and looking at a tiger. Finally, Gosh had some good visits to the San Francisco Zoo. I don't know if it's if it's like strongly in my top three, but I've had some great visits there. Again, some really world class ape encounters, and it's just been there for me when I needed it at a few key points in my life. So I leave it at that. Fantastic Thanks Jackson, your interest in zoological gardens is much appreciated. 01:18:35 Speaker 3: Well gang. 01:18:35 Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of today's show. It was another fun one. Thanks to Mark and Ben for joining us. And with that, we'll see you here next week. 01:18:45 Speaker 3: Oh hey, I got one more thing for the audience. If you're gonna be in the Manhattan area or. 01:18:50 Speaker 2: Ideally if you live there Montana. 01:18:53 Speaker 1: Oh not Montana, the New York City, Manhattan, I am participating in a conservation event at the end of the month at the Patagonia Store with Conservation Lands Foundation. And my god, I just got to looking at the prices of hotel rooms. If you need somebody to crash on your couch, hou'll sit. 01:19:18 Speaker 2: He'll tell you some stories. Yeah, and he actually does a great job cleaning up after himself. My barn has never looked better since Cal's been on a little trailer working tear. So yeah, there you go, delightful guest. All right, folks, we'll see you next week. Thanks for tuning in.