00:00:07 Speaker 1: It's media podcast. Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I am your special guest host today, Mark Kenyon, and this week I'm joined by Giannis Clay, Brent, Maggie, Bear, Tony Spencer and Heather. This is a ten round quiz show with questions from Metator's four main verticals, which are hunting, fishing, conservation and cooking. And there is a prize. Mediator will donate five hundred dollars to the conservation organization of the winners choosing. And today we have a lot of new faces, a lot out of towners here in the studio, which is exciting, but two of them our first time appearance folks on the podcast. Here, we've got Bear and Heather. Heather, how are you feeling here today? 00:00:56 Speaker 2: I'm feeling good. 00:00:58 Speaker 1: That wasn't convincing, to be honest, I'm ready, you're ready? Yeah? She studied all night. 00:01:03 Speaker 3: Heather was thinking she needed to. 00:01:05 Speaker 1: Practice for this. Oh how do you practice? 00:01:09 Speaker 2: I don't know. You gifted me the game I did. 00:01:12 Speaker 4: We've used all those questions though, so I don't think they'll show up today. 00:01:15 Speaker 1: Here's my only concern, Heather, right out the gate. I do know that you were not good at guessing people's ages because you you Yeah. Last night, supposedly separately, both Corey and Tony told Heather that I am twenty four years old, and she bought it a blind and sinker. 00:01:33 Speaker 5: It's not hard to do. 00:01:35 Speaker 3: Would you have told that joke if she would have thought you were fifty one? 00:01:38 Speaker 1: No? Probably not. I am, in fact thirty seven. But if you were to have a specialty in trivia, what would you think that would be? Is there something that you're particularly good at or or week in from our four verticals, hunt, fish, cook, conservation. 00:01:56 Speaker 2: Strengths, I'd say traditional. 00:01:58 Speaker 6: Knowledge, okay, Jen edgenis culture. 00:02:03 Speaker 1: Yep, yep? What about you? Bear Well, I'll be honest. 00:02:07 Speaker 7: Every time I listen to the trivia and like keep track of my score, I'm always like bottom of the pack, Like I don't know where Brody is pulling out all this random. 00:02:17 Speaker 1: It's your dad's fault. 00:02:19 Speaker 5: Actually, Brody's almost seventy years old. That's a lot of experience. That's where that comes from. 00:02:24 Speaker 1: Heather guess sixty eight. 00:02:27 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll study that time. 00:02:29 Speaker 2: They did give me some hints. 00:02:32 Speaker 6: I didn't study, but pollinators I should have studied pollinators. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: Oh yep, butterflies. 00:02:40 Speaker 1: In all honestly, that will help you today. These are these are here if you are a book reader, that will help today. That's all the clues I'll give you. Okay, uh, Spencer, there are a lot of folks here in town. Do you want to let the audience know why we have all these hopes? 00:03:00 Speaker 4: In times like once a year, I feel like the whole crew gets together and we shoot guns and look at new products and record some podcasts. There's gona be some fresh voices on radio today. And then Clay Newcomb's in the in the captain's chair. Just just general moseyan. That's what bar Newcomb says he does at home that he every day he does some general moseying to which is very annoying to his dad Clay. When Clay says, Barry, what are you up to today? 00:03:28 Speaker 3: It's it's it's just so nondescript. Yeah, liked for a lot of activities. It's a perfect word to say to your parents if you're just trying to be nondescript, like. 00:03:39 Speaker 1: The word aha. It just we're just general mosey. And it does seem incredibly on brand. That Clay Sons says something like that, So you've trained him, well, Uh, how do you feel outside of the driver's seat, Spencer? Is this like? Do you enjoy this or are you nervous? 00:03:56 Speaker 4: I like playing and I wouldn't entrust someone in hosting if I didn't think they would do a good job. And as as Yanni had said, having you pace him for the last ten miles of his one hundred mile race was what was your reason, Yanni? Because you just trust that Mark will do like a good job. He'll study, he'll try hard, right. 00:04:13 Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. And Mark is new to running ultra running, and I thought that would be a it would be a good exposure experience for Mark too. He'd get something out here he'd be appreciative of to be there. 00:04:24 Speaker 4: To your first point, he's just organized, he will try hard, he'll like put in a real effort. So I think Mark will do a good job. 00:04:33 Speaker 5: I'm excited, which he did do for me. If anybody's wondering a great job. 00:04:38 Speaker 4: Pacing, Okay, what would have been a bad job besides just like walking. 00:04:45 Speaker 5: Just like not being able to do to do enough talking, not being able to keep up the positive positivity that's needed. 00:04:55 Speaker 1: Would you guys talk about Well, to be clear real quick before Yanni says anything, a key thing he mentioned at the very beginning, he was a Mark, I don't have much of me right now, so don't ask me questions, do not interview me, just talk at me. 00:05:07 Speaker 5: So I told him. I was like, I got it. 00:05:10 Speaker 1: Give me for an interview, buddy. 00:05:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, Mark was just getting podcast at you. 00:05:14 Speaker 1: That's what I did. What'd you podcast about? Knowing me? Basically gave him like five book reports. 00:05:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to know about a lot of books, some of Mark's new projects he's working on here at meat Either. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: That was good. 00:05:29 Speaker 5: What else? 00:05:30 Speaker 1: Oh? I told you about my recent backpacking trip with the kids, some of our fun summer exploits, talked about my Iowa Dear plans, and and then generally just just told Yanni how proud I was of him and how inspiring he was. 00:05:47 Speaker 5: And he wasn't he wasn't quitting. One of another buddy's pulled up in his truck jamming some Wu Tang for us to get get me fired up, which was working. 00:05:55 Speaker 1: And while Wu. 00:05:56 Speaker 5: Tang's blaring out of the truck, Mark still. 00:06:02 Speaker 4: That's true, I'm also excited because the person hosting get some constructive feedback from the people playing to which Tony is here, and you guys have such a good relationship that I'm certain he will be upset with you at some point. 00:06:16 Speaker 1: I think that's fair. We have that kind of relationship. I'm excited for that. And there's a little bit of a withdrawal, I think for Tony because usually when we have these big meetings here in town, they make us room together, so usually me and Tony share share one twin bed, and this time this time we got our own separate rooms in king beds, so we have not been as close as we usually are. I'm glad to be back here with you, Tony. 00:06:39 Speaker 9: I know it's been a nightmare at night because I've had to just build a little Mark Kenyon out of pillows and draw a little mustache on it. But it's not the same snuggling level. 00:06:47 Speaker 1: It's just different. 00:06:48 Speaker 8: I can tell you some websites for that time. 00:06:49 Speaker 1: It's not quite the same. Anyways, maybe it's time to get to the show. I think it is, so I think that's all the little bits and pieces we need to do. Can we just can we just get to the drop. 00:07:03 Speaker 8: Phil, Oh, let's get Can we just get to it? 00:07:08 Speaker 1: Look, I need to know what I stand to win everything. You just tend to win. 00:07:15 Speaker 10: Everything, Gamon suckers. 00:07:25 Speaker 4: Phil isn't used to someone asking him to play the drop. He's used to someone like demanding him. It's like the difference between asking a dog to sit versus telling a dog to sit. And Phil hadn't He doesn't normally feel threatened. 00:07:37 Speaker 1: Then what's the point? 00:07:39 Speaker 8: Yeah? 00:07:39 Speaker 1: Wait too, sorry about that? 00:07:41 Speaker 6: Is it best to get if we don't know, is it best to just leave this blank? 00:07:45 Speaker 1: Or get go ahead and guess? There's no You're not gonna lose points for anything, so so give it a shot. 00:07:50 Speaker 5: And funny guesses are funny, but they don't get you extra points. 00:07:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also feel free to like yack it up. Talk with us makes noise, try to distract other people. 00:08:01 Speaker 3: That there's So when you competition coon hunt, you're you're in this game that has a bunch of rules that's very different than if you actually went coon hunt with somebody, And so you might lose a competition coon hunt by the rules, but everybody. 00:08:16 Speaker 1: Kind of knows who won. You know what I mean? 00:08:19 Speaker 3: You kind of like I've been in many hunts where I was like, everybody in this truck knows my dog was the best, but you may beat me. That's the way I feel about trivia, so good A good A good answer is sometimes better than a right answer. 00:08:32 Speaker 1: I want to know what dog that was. Anyways, go ahead, we will be easing you. We're going to ease you too into it, as we do every show, because the first question is multiple choice. All right, so question number one, the topic is hunting. Let me see the question of our all right, we go. In the two thousand and one cult classic hunting themed film Escanaba in the Moonlight, what was the name of the character who's chevy took a shit on the side of M thirty five? Is it a Bobby Goolay from Grand Murray? Is it b jim er Nagomine from Me Nominee? Is it c Remnar Florette from Marquette? Or is it d Reuben Shebaggan from Montanagan? With any of that in English? It's all in Michigan diese escanab in the Moonlight. It is a terrific film. I can't wait to ask you all about if you've seen it, well, it's all in the eye of the beholder. 00:09:36 Speaker 4: My friend, we reviewed it for the Meat Eater Movie Club on Media to Radio. 00:09:40 Speaker 1: I knew it talks about it at some point. So we'll see if any of you guys are up on this one. How many of you have seen this movie, Razor Gain? Oh wow, Oh, there we go too, all right, how many of you have heard of Escanaba in the Moonlight. 00:09:55 Speaker 2: Okay, this was the year you were born, right. 00:09:58 Speaker 5: You know, a roundabout way of founding out about escanab in the Moonlight, especially being from Michigan. I'm a young hunting guide in Colorado at this point, and I've been at it maybe three years, because I've guided these dudes from Missouri for two years already. Like the third year they come back, I kind of got like a big group. It's like one guy, six or seven guys, and I would just place them all across the countryside. And they come back the third year and they are fired up. They're like, Yanni, we found this saw this movie from the state that you're from. 00:10:35 Speaker 1: It is awesome. 00:10:36 Speaker 5: And like it might've been like their first sort of like exposure to that you know, north northern Midwest culture. 00:10:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Yeah. 00:10:45 Speaker 5: That's how I found out about escana the Moonlight. 00:10:48 Speaker 1: It's it's a cultural phenomena. I would say. I'll read the question again for those of you listening in the two thousand and one cult classic hunting themed film Escanaba in the Moonlight, what was the name aim of the character who's Jeffy took a chip on the side of m thirty five? I'm thirty five, but we say it thirty five. 00:11:09 Speaker 5: Spencer. You feel pretty good about this one. 00:11:11 Speaker 1: Think I've got this one. 00:11:12 Speaker 4: My top takeaway after we watch this movie was that I would prefer to watch it as like live theater, to which I found out they did. It was wrote I think it was written to be live theater, and they performed often in Michigan. 00:11:23 Speaker 1: Yes, at the Purple Rose. Have you Chelsea Michigan. I've not seen it live. 00:11:28 Speaker 5: Oh, we should make a little meat eater trip to go and see that. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: It'd be terrific. Yeah. Well, I'll save it for after the quest. 00:11:36 Speaker 4: Okay, Phil has your Michigan accent. 00:11:38 Speaker 11: I haven't done a lot of reps with it, but I'll get cracking on it. 00:11:41 Speaker 1: Okay, good, are we good? Do we have answers? Yeah? Everybody in all right, let's reveal the answer. Heather says, Hey, Bobby Gulay from Grand Moray Bear says Bobby Gulay, Tony says Remnar, Spencer says Jimmergomine. Maggie says Jimmer Nogomedy. He says Jimerngomede. Yanni says Jimmer Negomedy, Brandt says Jimmer Nogamini. And the correct answer is Jimmer. Well, Yeah, you guys did well, ah eskanalv In the Moonlight is a bizarre film from my home state of Michigan. Takes place up in the up where things are a little bit different. It is starring Jeff Daniels, the famed actor from Dumb and Dummer and many other things. It tells the story of the buckless uper. So this guy named Ruben Sodi goes up to his family deer camp and has to kind of face down the fears of becoming the oldest member of his family too have never killed a buck, and so it's this tremendous story of a true Michigan deer camp and hilarious family dynamics, the whole up culture thing going on, and then some very bizarre off the wall things come in maybe in the second half of the of the movie and Mark Kenyon's favorite movie. 00:13:03 Speaker 4: Right, it's up there as far as I mean, it's you watch it on an annual on an annual basis to. 00:13:08 Speaker 1: Watch that's probably PG thirteen. 00:13:14 Speaker 3: My kids watch border Line, Mark Borderline, Yes, sorry, you. 00:13:17 Speaker 1: Could watch it, watch it with Bear, Yes, yes you could. 00:13:22 Speaker 5: I'm going to add it to my list and make my kids watch it this weekend. 00:13:26 Speaker 1: Like to be clear, the first the first the first third to half of it is very funny if you get like northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota, like deer culture. The second half is like what happened here? M hm, So be warned. Okay, are we ready for the second question? This is a little bit tougher. 00:13:48 Speaker 5: Question two, Phil, We already watched that. 00:13:50 Speaker 1: All right. The topic is biology. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who's most widely credited with popularizing the term bio diversity? And is it okay to give a clue? Because I was thinking maybe we need to give a course. 00:14:08 Speaker 4: I mean, if the whole room would agree on it, But I don't think Clay nukemb would No. 00:14:14 Speaker 1: Because Randall said that maybe I should give a clue on this one. 00:14:18 Speaker 5: If Randall, the anti clue guy, says that you should, then I think you should. 00:14:23 Speaker 1: Will let fill the side fail clue or no clue. 00:14:25 Speaker 11: Well, how many how many people feel confident in this room they have the correct answer. I'd say that if two people feel confident, then I don't think a clue is warranted. 00:14:34 Speaker 1: All right, Well there's only one. Brand and Clay raised their him. I thought Tony would have this one. Maybe Brand don't know it. I read what is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity. I'm going to give a little clue. I only have half clue. If you were to look at this dude's initials, E is one of the initials. 00:15:00 Speaker 10: I got it. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: I was like, it's like half the answer. Mark should get a secret tip from Mark on whichever question I needed for this. 00:15:16 Speaker 4: Good news for you, Clay's I don't think it helped anyone else. Maggie already had that answer. 00:15:20 Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, all right. 00:15:23 Speaker 1: Randall told me that my questions were tough, so I want to try to make sure that we don't get too low of a score here or there? How are we doing questions or answers? In no one more time than the question is what is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity. How many of you could give me a definition of biodiversity off the top of your head. I'm ready. 00:15:53 Speaker 5: Clay can give you like a paragraph of an idea of what that's I. 00:15:58 Speaker 10: Don't think I could give a very succinct nition. 00:16:01 Speaker 4: The variety of flora and fauna in a given area. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: That's pretty good. 00:16:05 Speaker 8: That's pretty decent. 00:16:06 Speaker 1: All right, we're good answers. Are you ready? Let's see what you got. Heather thought it was Stephen Ranella there went with Eldo Leopold, Tony went with Darwin, Spencer went with Darlin. Maggie went with E. O. Wilson. Clay went with EO. Wilson. Yanni said Darwin. Brent said Ernest, hemingway, I'm doing by Arnest. His name is Edward. 00:16:36 Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, can I say something about E. 00:16:39 Speaker 5: Wilson? 00:16:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, the correct answer is E. O. Wilson. 00:16:41 Speaker 3: So so he wrote a book called bio Felix, which Mark Mark would know this, but baophelia. It's an interesting idea because we're the only species on earth that is super interested in other species. So biophelia means love of life as it's and it's actually what kind of makes us human is our dramatic interest in all these other species. And I find it interesting because in the Book of Genesis, the first the first job that man had was to name and you know, catwar animals. So it's this core fundamental definer of humanity is very biophilia. 00:17:26 Speaker 1: And so the theory of biophilia explores kind of that the evolutionary history of why we have that deep connection to nature and to wildlife. It's very interesting to consider it and very interesting angle there with the Genesis story. 00:17:38 Speaker 8: That makes a lot of sense. 00:17:40 Speaker 10: Well, and EO. 00:17:41 Speaker 12: Wilson is very well known for like studying ants, yes, which. 00:17:45 Speaker 1: Is so cool, and that was his first gig. 00:17:47 Speaker 12: He's written in like such such like small degree, like oh man. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: He's gone, he's gone from the very tiny the very large. 00:17:56 Speaker 12: Yes, And it's like it's not just loving like you know, the animals we love to hunt are like the big places. It's looking at like how these tiny little animals function and it's just mind blowing. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you a little more. 00:18:10 Speaker 10: Highly recommend reading EO. Wilson. 00:18:12 Speaker 1: According to the National Museum of Natural History, biodiversity is the extraordinary variety of life on Earth, from genes and species to ecosystems and the valuable functions they perform. EO. Wilson explained it as the very stuff of life. That said, according to many scientists and researchers, including EO. Wilson, we are living amidst a biodiversity crisis, with bio biodiversity and species prevalence plummeting across many parts of the country. EO. Wilson has written about this extensively. In addition to being an author, he was a professor at Harvard. He's widely considered one of the greatest natural scientists of all time. He won a Pulitzer Prize several actually, I think, and as you mentioned, he wrote the book Biophilia. He wrote the book Diversity of Life and Half Earth, which explored a very kind of moonshot solution to the biodiversity crisis of somehow to some degree, setting aside half of Earth to the conservation of nature. Pretty far out idea, probably not really realistic, but it has led to a more realistic goal which many are proposing, and many countries are now pursuing now, which is the thirty by thirty initiative. So many countries are now trying to conserve thirty percent of their land by twenty thirty, and that's thanks to EO. Wilson. 00:19:35 Speaker 5: How close is the United States? 00:19:37 Speaker 1: Not very close? 00:19:39 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, roughly. 00:19:40 Speaker 1: I feel like it was like fourteen percent. That's that could be wrong, but I feel like it was somewhere in the teens. And there's a lot of questions around. A couple of years ago, there was a bunch of work being done on this, and we started setting aside something it was like the thirty by thirty at list or something the Conservation at List, and the big project being done about three years ago was trying to start cataloging exactly how we would define these lands that were technically conserved for the thirty by thirty initiative, and then how far, what long we were And I feel like I remember it was somewhere in the teens, But there's a lot of question around is it actually land versus marine environments, et cetera. Does it have to be public land versus maybe like a private lands with a conservation easement. A lot of questions about question three were ready ready. Question three, the topic is fishing. What popular game fish is known to the scientific community by a way of its Latin name as Megalops atlanticus. What is wrong with you? Yeah, all right, what popular game fish? 00:20:40 Speaker 3: So we're looking for the common name? 00:20:43 Speaker 1: Yes, what's the common name of the fish? Who is the Latin name Megalops atlanticus? Megalops atlanticus. Is anyone confident on this one? Tony, Yes, sir, Maybe. 00:21:01 Speaker 3: I feel like I've got a reasonable guess. 00:21:05 Speaker 1: I don't want to give any clues. I want to talk about it, but I don't want to definitely give a clue. If anyway, it's just initials, no initial guesses or no initial clues on this. It is a game fish. Yeah, you have to be you have to be specific. This isn't something you can give like a generic So if fish, Yeah, if it was deer, you need to either meal deer or white. That's correct, That's correct. You could there's clues in the name. 00:21:43 Speaker 9: This is such a This is such a mark Kenyon question. This is just a window your soul buddy. 00:21:50 Speaker 1: This whole show is exactly that total. 00:21:54 Speaker 5: I asked a question I believe in a previous episode that had the same answer, did you interesting. 00:22:02 Speaker 1: Atlantic? That's what's throwing me off. A couple more seconds, and I want you guys to have your answers in peace. Heather, throw throw something down there. There's a lot of fish. There's a lot of fish in your world. Pick a fish, any fish, Pick a fish. Oh, all right, answers, Are we good? No? Oh, Maggie, still no, I know that's not it. Come on ten nine. 00:22:37 Speaker 10: Fine, fine, he's not the answer. 00:22:40 Speaker 1: All right, let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bears says large mouth bass, Tony says King Sam and Spencer atlantic tuna, Maggie, striped bass, clay, barracuda. Yanni says tarpin. Brent says blue whale. The correct answer is tarping Megalops atlantic is a Tarpan are one of the absolute coolest fish in the world. I've recently become obsessed with them. I caught my first adult tarp in the spring. It's about seventy five pounds, which is maybe four or five feet long, caught on a fly. Absolutely blew my mind. They can grow up to eight feet long, they can weigh well over two hundred pounds. They can live fifty sixty, seventy years or older. They are, by far, I think, pretty widely accepted as the most exciting fish to chase on a fly as far as they feed on the flats, so they feed in shallow water. They'll chase a fly just like a bone fish or you know, a big brown trout or something. But then imagine a six foot long fish that weighs one hundred and fifty pounds, exploding out of the air and jumping three, four or five feet in the air. And these fights with these fish can last hours. I only had to fight my fish for something like twenty five minutes, but I know people who have had a fish on the line for two hours, four hours, twelve hours. It is mind blowing. I've never experienced anything like it. I remember when that fish came tight, when I when I saw this fish coming at the fly. A strip set the only way I can describe that feeling. And I think this is something a lot of people can relate to. It's like if you were holding a very large dog on a leash and it sees a squirrel and that moment when the dog you're not expecting it, but that dog explodes and chasing that squirrel and you're holding the leash on the other side, and all of a sudden, that was what you felt, this explosion at the end of the line. Is that dog tries to chase the squirrel. That's kind of what that one second moment felt like when it came tight and uh and then from there it was just insane. 00:24:40 Speaker 9: So the dragons or all of these questions designed so you can just brag to the room. 00:24:47 Speaker 1: All of these questions are designed so I can talk about stuff. I like, that was a great storyline. 00:24:53 Speaker 3: You did a great job to transfer in the passion and energy that. But change this, change this story to a all going after a bear. 00:25:02 Speaker 1: Everyone knows what that feels like. 00:25:04 Speaker 3: Yes, Like every part of your story just needs to be as flashy as possible. 00:25:09 Speaker 1: I get that flashy me. 00:25:11 Speaker 3: I knew that a squirrel dog would be a little bitty dog. Yeah that lation it feel like you had to. 00:25:16 Speaker 1: Brim on in my mind, I was imagining like a Great Dane or Rottweiler, like in a city park, right, yeah, yeah, because because. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: This doesn't know what he's what he's talking about. 00:25:27 Speaker 1: Because the thing is like with every other kind of fishing. Usually, when you feel the take of a fish, there's usually like a bend in the rod. Right, Your rod's like this, and you feel like the tunk tunk, and you set the hook or something like that. But in this case, there was no rod or real intermediary. The rod's pointing straight out the fish, and the line is connected straight from my hand to the fish, so there's there was nothing else in the way. It was simply my hand on the line and this seventy five pound fish on the other straight connection. What's he doing is coffee? I'm trying to kill myself. All right, we got some you don't like Atlanta sharping, We can move to question number four. 00:26:08 Speaker 3: That's all right, friend, Question number four, Britt just put fake poison in this coffee for those. 00:26:12 Speaker 1: Who are. 00:26:17 Speaker 5: The story about it. 00:26:20 Speaker 1: Cooking, cooking. Question number four, what's the name of the popular meat pie like dish that's uniquely popular in both the up of Michigan and Butte Montana. Oh my gosh, what is the name of the popular meat pie like dish that is uniquely popular in both Michigan's upper peninsula in Butte, Montana. 00:26:46 Speaker 4: Who makes them better? Yanni, Michigan or Montana. 00:26:49 Speaker 5: I've had one in Montana. 00:26:52 Speaker 4: Have you, Spencer, I've had one in Butte. I have not had one in Michigan, though. 00:26:59 Speaker 1: They're dang good in Michigan. 00:27:00 Speaker 4: But claims to have like more Irish, like a higher density of Irish people than Ireland. Something like that. They make some outlandish claims about interesting how Irish they are. 00:27:13 Speaker 1: It's a lot of miners come over to the state. 00:27:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, that's going to be in the flavor text. 00:27:18 Speaker 1: I bet, hmmm, just might be. 00:27:20 Speaker 3: Now are there are there two common names for this? 00:27:24 Speaker 1: I mean there could be, like the plural and the singular. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: It would have to satisfy that it's the popular dish in Michigan and Butte, to which I think there's only one answer. 00:27:34 Speaker 1: There is only one answer, but I would accept the singular or plural answer. Yeah you have it, don't you? Yeah? Yeah? How are we? Are we good? I don't think you have I have to do something. Yeah, no more blanks, Heather, you got to put a food dish to change it? 00:27:53 Speaker 4: When win the game against Clay that Clay plays where it's like not actually going for score. 00:27:58 Speaker 1: That's what you're coming, just trying to make it. 00:28:00 Speaker 3: Come on, come on, you just like give us show us. 00:28:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, not off the cup. 00:28:06 Speaker 1: Oh that's probably you were the one who inspired this very funny, uh video idea, Brent calling folks up in the middle of the night when they're trying to fall asleep. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: And I wasn't in. 00:28:18 Speaker 6: It's I'm the producer, behind the scenes, the talent. 00:28:22 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Heather, you in. 00:28:28 Speaker 6: I don't know how to spell it, but I'm guessing it's wrong. But uh, it's a meat pie dish from the Middle East, My mom's Middle Eastern and it's called three I think. 00:28:39 Speaker 2: Is how you say? It's so good? That's my favor. 00:28:43 Speaker 1: It's meat is it? Yes, Yes, it's time. Let's see your answers. Heather said, Bear said, Shepherd's Pie, Tony Pasty, Spencer Pasty, Maggie Pasty, clay Min's meat pie, Yanni pass the Brent pro ge. The correct answer is pasty. A pasty is a No, it's a savory. It's a savory handheld meat pie like dish. Imagine like a grown up hot pocket. According yeah, pasty. According to the Upper Peninsula Travel and Recreation Association past These were the original fast food of copper miners and lumberjacks, brought here from the mining region of Cornwall, England UP, which is Upper Peninsula UP. Wives would fill the rolled out dough with leftover beef, potato, onion, and rudebega, fold the pastry in half, seal the edges, and bake. Legend says the miners would take these golden pastries into the mines and reheat them on a shovel over their lantern candles. Pretty cool. I like that. That was really cool. Mark. 00:29:53 Speaker 5: We recently had a similar question about a similar product called a kolachi oh that you can find in Texas. 00:30:02 Speaker 1: You can find so how many of you have had a pasty? You three of you? They're good. They're all over the up. Do they have them up in like northern Wisconsin at all? I haven't seen them. I don't go to northern Wisconsin fair enough I do. I've never seen one. They're worth a try for anyone who's not had them. Very tasty. You can get kind of different versions of them. Are they a deer camp staple or not? 00:30:27 Speaker 4: Not? 00:30:27 Speaker 1: From my dear camp. But we're below the bridge, so maybe up in the up So there's the you know, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is separated from the Lower Peninsula by the Mackinaw Bridge, which is this very very long bridge across the Great Lakes there, and the Upers would like to say that people like me are trolls because we live under the bridge. Yeah, and so we technically can't claim the pasty. That's a up thing. But when I'm here in Montana, I can claim it. How do they say it? How do they say that the pasty or pasties past and they like nasty? Well, I don't know. They're funny. They've got their up accent, but I guess to be a pasty good if you want a pasty. 00:31:10 Speaker 4: Bill's been working on his accent over there. Sorry, he might even debut it on this episode. Said, okay, let's move along. Question number five. The topic is public lands. 00:31:25 Speaker 1: What public land agency is responsible for managing our nations? Fifty eight point five million acres of inventoried roadless areas? What public land agency is responsible for managing our nations? Fifty eight zero point five million acres of inventoried roadless areas? Yanni, you looked surprisingly slow on that one. I thought you were going to be right away. 00:31:58 Speaker 5: I just wanted to make sure I was understand in a question correctly. I'm pretty confident my answer. 00:32:04 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think you'll get it. Anybody else feeling very confident, Maggie was quick. Maggie being involved in the website, I think has a strong chance of this because I would think that we've written about this. 00:32:23 Speaker 10: Now I'm questioning myself, really trick, Maggie. 00:32:29 Speaker 5: Did you write a little editorial that prefaced the three UH poaching articles? Was that you that decided to put in that little editorial up top? 00:32:45 Speaker 1: Must not be in the email? 00:32:46 Speaker 5: It came out and Jordan, that was good. I like that, Yeah, that was good. 00:32:53 Speaker 1: Appreciated that this is This is an agency that manages some segment of our public lands, and they are responsible for inventoried roadless areas. That is the key. Who has answers? I have a wrong one. I'll read the question one more time and then we're going to wrap it up. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's fifty eight point five million acres of inventoried roadless areas. Let's get those answers in here. Heather. All right, Heather says the USDA, which is the Department of Agriculture, which does manage the US Forest Service. Bear says BLM, Bureau of Land Management, Tony says, National Forest Service, Spencer, National Forest, Maggie National Forest, Clay, US Forests, Yanna, US Forest, Brent, US Forest. The correct answer is the US Forest Service. I think that maybe we should give to Heather because it does fall underneath the USDA, so I would be willing to give you that one. The correct answer is the US Forest Service. In two thousand and one, the US Force Service announced the Roadless Rule, which protected the US Forest services remaining fifty eight point five million acres of roadless lands in a nearly undeveloped state. According to Trout Unlimited, the Roadless Rule was originally created in response to the growing backlog of costs associated with maintaining the more than three hundred and eighty six thousand miles of roads spanning the National Forest System nearly four hundred thousand miles of roads across the US Forest System. For more than twenty years, the Roadless Rule has conserved backcountry, public lands and waters while providing flexibility for the first Forest Service to steward these high value landscapes through active management that improves forest health and allows for natural resource development. These multiple use areas sustained native trouton sand and support wildlife with unfragmented corridors, and offer irreplaceable backcountry hunting and angling experiences. But earlier this summer, Secretary of Agriculture Brook Rowlands announce her department's intentions to rescind the Roadless Rule and roll back those protections for our fifty eight point five million acres of our last remaining roadless areas in the nation. If you want to learn more about that and the implications for hunters and anglers and wildlife, we just dropped today an episode of the Wired Hunt podcast on this very topic with the CEO and president of Trout Unlimited. His name is Chris Wood, and he worked at the US Forest Service in two thousand and one in the late nineties and actually was very deeply involved in writing the Roadless Rule and coming up with this whole thing. So it's a very interesting conversation about how this all came to be, why it came to be, what it does for wildlife and hunters and anglers, and what it would mean, if this actually gets. 00:35:56 Speaker 5: Removed, Heather, you got a bunch of country in your neck of the woods right protected by this rule. 00:36:01 Speaker 1: It's a big deal. In with tongus. 00:36:03 Speaker 5: How's this going to affect you? 00:36:05 Speaker 12: Rule? 00:36:06 Speaker 5: You like the rollless rule? 00:36:08 Speaker 10: We got a. 00:36:11 Speaker 6: Well, I have a lot of opinions about this whole topic, more than more time we want to spend here talking about it. But yeah, we got to protect our our land. 00:36:21 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, check it out two thousand and one. 00:36:24 Speaker 4: It's in into infancy. I feel like most big conservation meaningful bills and x are fifty one hundred years old. Yep, I didn't know that was so modern. 00:36:33 Speaker 1: Yep, twenty twenty four years old. Just like, just like I never thought about that. All right, Films, I believe it's time for a scoreboard update. Do you have one of those forma? 00:36:46 Speaker 11: It is indeed in last place. Spent too much time mosying. I suppose Baron Newcomb has zero points, come up next to Heather Duville with one. Tony Peterson and Brent Reeves have two points. Spencer new Hearth and Clay Nucom have three and tied up in first place. A Giannis putell Us and Maggie Ubblow with four points. 00:37:06 Speaker 1: Oh, Maggie, could be your day, Megs. So yesterday we were walking out of the hotel and Tony says to me, man, nobody understands the amount of micro stress that a game of trivia costs you, especially especially if you start badly. Tony, how much micro stress are you experiencing right now? 00:37:25 Speaker 9: He talked about tarpin this morning, and I was like, there's no way Kenyan's going to be on the nose. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: For sure, you would jump on the first thing. 00:37:33 Speaker 9: That popped in my head. I was like, this is tarp and I'm like, there's no way he's going to do that. So I outthought myself on that one. 00:37:40 Speaker 1: Good. Yeah, I was. I was trying to kind of throw a bone to folks, like I've been talking right, No, I know? Yeah, all right, Well, hey, there's time question number six. Here's what you gotta get Tony. The topic is hunting. What was the name of the deer call introduced in the early two thousands that attempted to simulate the sound of deer feeding on hard masts to calm other nearby wildlife. What was the name? Look, he did know it? Yeah, what was the name of the deer call from the early two thousands that simulates the sound of feeding deer supposed to calm wildlife around you. Did you own one of these? I never owned one of these, but we like to joke about it a lot, right. 00:38:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the banjo minow of white tail, Yes. 00:38:32 Speaker 5: Which I did fish on the old banjo. 00:38:35 Speaker 1: Yeah did too. 00:38:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to occasionally. The way we hunted on public land when I was growing up, you would the limiting factor was wide oakacres, and so you'd be hunting a tree that was dropping wide oakakers and there might not be a tree anywhere near. It'd be like because there was a lot of cutover pine plantations with these riparian zones that had oaks, and so you could carry carry some acrons in your pocket and drop them out of the tree. 00:39:06 Speaker 1: Interesting, I sunk. 00:39:07 Speaker 3: On the ground. You hear him falling. 00:39:10 Speaker 1: You know. 00:39:11 Speaker 5: I just heard another a guy some of these on the Southern Outdoors and podcast and he was talking about doing that, going up the tree with a couple of pockets fulling every now and then drop the Oh yeah, and. 00:39:24 Speaker 1: They're like so A funny story from Bill Winki, one of his little tips for when you are like in a bedding area, hunting deep in there and it's like late morning and for some reason you want to get out. You don't want to stay in there all morning, which in this case, like if I was gonna hunt a betting are, I'd be there all day. But he said, if you want to get out, he would. He would collect acorns on the ground before it went up, and he'd carry a slingshot with him. And so when it was like eleven o'clock and he wanted to get out there, if he saw deer bedded somewhere nearby, he would shoot them with acorns with a slingshot until they'd run off, and then he'd walk out. Wow. 00:39:57 Speaker 9: So the category that this all is in. I hunted down in Texas one time and one of the guides was telling me about an electronic call that you could buy that you could hit a button and it sounded like a feeder going off. 00:40:10 Speaker 1: Oh he said. 00:40:13 Speaker 9: He said, they drop guys off and pick him up. At the end of a three four hours sitting, their batteries would be dead because those dudents are just letting their It's good. 00:40:23 Speaker 1: Oh man, Okay, do we have is everybody good, yep, all right, let's see the answers please, Heather said, Randal hands bear acorn muncher. Acorn muncher pro. 00:40:38 Speaker 3: That's the kind of answer that gets you the w Tony. 00:40:41 Speaker 1: Acorn crunch or Spencer acorn crunch er. Maggie acorn muncher, Janna said, the muncher said, the browse show or the let's eat bleep great ideas. The correct answer is acorn cruncher or cruncher. It's either cruncher or it's popularly known as the acorn cruncher, but technically it was just called the cruncher, So either one is okay by me. 00:41:13 Speaker 10: These was so close for pulling an answer out of my ass. 00:41:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm giving you. Give me brownie points for that. According to a two thousand and nine press release on the Outdoor Wire, the cruncher is a compoc compact handheld call that simulates the sound of deer feeding on acorns. This natural sound relaxes deer in the immediate vicinity of your stand. It can also call in other deer that think there's food available. It calms spook deer, stimulates deer to feed, and stops deer in a relaxed manner. Just like imitating a deer's grunt or recreating the rattling of antlers, the sound of a white tail feeding on acorns can cause a positive reaction, so they say. But you know, as we were talking earlier, it's widely panned. It's a joke. A lot of people kind of look at it as as being representative of like all the choshki gizmos that are marketed to hunters. 00:42:04 Speaker 4: No one does like a white tail hunter. Yes, I also love the ground grunter that would be in that category, which, if you're not familiar, you're in a tree stand twenty feet in the air. The ground grunter is a long plastic tube that runs to the base of the ground that you blow into a grunt call in your tree stand, and that sound travels all the way down and it comes out at what would be eye level for a deer, because all the deer are onto you if they hear a grunt coming from twenty feet in the air. So that's why you want your ground grunter to produce that more realistic note. 00:42:36 Speaker 1: After that failed, I called at the urination station. 00:42:40 Speaker 3: Have you ever have you seen the butt clicker? It's so it's the basically supposedly, there's a call that a buck will make where it makes an individual note of a grunt and clicks like there's. 00:43:00 Speaker 9: Like, imagine it's a real deal. 00:43:06 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:43:06 Speaker 3: There's a famous story in the nukeom Lore of the clicking bug that my dad had come in that he missed and he said it was clicking. It says, make it individual grunts. But there's a call that's on a wheel that has a little you like roll it like the wheel of fortune. 00:43:23 Speaker 1: Like that's cool. I love hunting in a place where you can see mature bucks enough to actually hear these types of you know, vocalizations like you just don't ever hear that in Michigan. But I've been in island and heard so many cool things. Kanas, very fun. Yeah, all right. Question number seven the topic is public lands. What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States? Very simple? What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States of America. It's a piece of public land. There's a bunch of critters out there. The first national wildlife refuge technically is created by Theodore Roosevelt. Back in the early nineteen hundreds, there was an island full of a bunch of birds down in Florida, and the feather hunters, the folks that were killing birds to make pretty hats for ladies in the day, were killing all the birds. And mister Teddy Roosevelt was not a fan of that. So he got a hold of his folks in the Department of the Interior and say, hey, is there anything keeping me away from declaring this is some kind of like refuge for wildlife? And his staff went looked around and they said, well, I don't think there is anything keeping you from doing it. Teddy replied, well, then I so declare it. And that's how he created I believe that was Pelican Island. I think was the first one, and many many more have come since I declare. Yeah, I so declare it. Mister Teddy Roosevelt. 00:44:58 Speaker 5: That's a lot of power. But our current president know about that kind of power that you can yield when you're in the position he might be he might be interested in dropping a few. 00:45:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, no comment. They have the Antiquities Act today that Teddy Roosevelt uses well to create our national monuments. I don't think that folks in power these days like our national monuments as much as mister Roosevelt did. 00:45:27 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:45:30 Speaker 1: Anyone still thinking? 00:45:34 Speaker 5: How are you feeling about this one? Maggie, Oh not too confident. I like it. 00:45:40 Speaker 1: Do we have answers in? Everybody have an answer? All right? Can we see those answers please? Heather? 00:45:46 Speaker 5: Oh, you got what? 00:45:48 Speaker 1: I what I the Tonguest National Forest, Bear says the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. Tony said the Tonguest, which is the National Forest. Spencer says the Coutine. Maggie says, the Arctic place is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Giannis says the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Brand says the Oka Pinocchi. And the correct answer is Clay Newcomb got it right, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. So Janni, Yanni got it? And war what. 00:46:23 Speaker 5: About? 00:46:25 Speaker 3: Yes that you were excited about it. This is a This is a picture. This is an image that I saw on Instagram of Mark. 00:46:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Arctic Mark. 00:46:34 Speaker 3: I actually didn't really realize it wasn't nice. 00:46:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, thinking about your recent. 00:46:39 Speaker 12: I thought you were spending a lot of time right in your answer the Arctic. 00:46:43 Speaker 1: The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is approximately nineteen point six million acres. It's our second largest piece of public land. The largest is the U. N p r A, which is the Western Arctic just over on the western side of Alaska. Uh, this is the very far northeast of Alaska. And as Clay said, me and Kale just had a trip up there a couple of weeks ago. 00:47:06 Speaker 10: That's how I knew it was going to be the art. 00:47:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was a phenomenal experience. We talked about it at length in an episode of Media to Radio Live a couple of weeks ago, and an episode of I Guess it was on Kale's pod. We did it, We did an episode of Kale's podcast. But an incredibly wild place. This encompasses a portion of the Brooks Range, which is the northernmost extension of the Rocky Mountains. On the southern side of the Brooks Range, you've got boreal forest and incredible, you know, kind of inland mountain landscapes. On the north slope of the Brooks Range, you had the coastal plain, which is like an Arctic grassland. It's sort of the equivalent of the African savannah, but our North American version, teeming with hundreds of thousands of caribou, muscocks. You know at certain times of the year there are polar bears or grizzly bears, wolves, all sorts of craters. Uh, life changing experience for me and Cal to get to see that place very very worth learning about or maybe someday seeing. There's amazing caribou hunting, great river floats, terrific climbing, hiking, backpacking. If you can ever find a way to get there, highly recommend it. All right, Teddy'd be proud, Yes, yes he would. He's a big fan. All right. Question number eight, The topic is fishing. What is the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct polls of your fly Lineberry, you got this bearing, You're an inspiring fly angler. Yanni was a fly gud. He's got it, Tony's got it. Spencer is a spencer. Spencer's a great guy because he got into fly fishing when he moved to Montana and then very conveniently kind it got out of it enough because he got into it so much that he bought a set of rod tubes. So these are your fly rod holders that go on top of your truck he got those few years ago, and then he, I guess, got to the point where he wasn't using them enough and was also getting a rooftop tent. So he mentions to make oh ya, I'm trying to get rid of my rod tubes. Right at that time, I was thinking to myself, I need a good set of rod tubes at the top of my truck. So I got a sweet deal on some fly rod holders on top of my truck for mister Spencer Newhart. 00:49:29 Speaker 4: It was the rooftops had to the rod holders, one had to go, and I picked the rooftop. 00:49:33 Speaker 5: I taught this technique to Spenser questions. 00:49:37 Speaker 1: Did he listen? I'm gonna read one more time. What's the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct pulls. 00:49:49 Speaker 10: You know you're talking about those micro stresses. 00:49:51 Speaker 8: Yeah? Are you there enough? 00:49:52 Speaker 10: This is the point where my brain shuts down in trivia. 00:49:56 Speaker 1: You know this, I know this. 00:49:57 Speaker 10: I do this Like every time. 00:49:59 Speaker 8: I say it, you're gonna be like, no. 00:50:01 Speaker 10: Don't say it yet. 00:50:03 Speaker 1: God, there's like a very huge clue in the in the in the you know, I didn't know that I knew how to do this until I went fishing with Corey and then he commented on it. So and you're just kind of doing it naturally. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this is something that really helps, Like when you're a trout angler, it's not you don't use it as much when you're fishing small creeks or anything like that, but if you get into big water, or especially if you start fishing lakes or saltwater situations, you really need distance. You need to be able to get that cast out there fast, and this is a way to kind of utilize the mechanics of your rod and momentum with your line to get that to really shoot out there. There's a lot of similarities between bow hunting and fly fishing, especially saltwater bow on it or saltwater fly fishing. Yeah, there's a lot of cross over there, and so with this technique, you're like, you're shooting your line at a fish. Pretty cool. Do we have everybody in? Do you have this right? Clay? 00:51:04 Speaker 2: I hate this? 00:51:06 Speaker 10: I hate this game. Why do I keep playing this game? 00:51:09 Speaker 5: Maggie? 00:51:10 Speaker 1: This is in your wheelhouse? 00:51:11 Speaker 10: This is I know this answer, but I don't have it. 00:51:14 Speaker 1: Let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says the double hall, Tony says double hall, Spencer says double hall, Maggie says, Clay says back cast, Yanni says double hall, and Brent says double hall. The room did pretty good. The correct answer is double hall. According to John jurasecond Hatch Magazine, the double hall is an advanced casting technique that increases the speed of the line during the cast. To achieve this, the line hand literally pulls or hauls on the fly line at select points in the casting stroke, once during the back cast and once more during the forecast. Halls themselves directly increase the speed of the line. This also causes the rod to bend more deeply, and that deeper bend stores more energy in the rod, and when the road, when the rod unloads this energy, it transfers it to the line and gives you all that speed. So the double hall. On the back cast, you pull your line with this left hand, you're pulling back line, and then as you forwardcast, it's like back and another haul and it shoots that line out just like you're shooting a bow with an arrow. It really does help. It's simple, it's kind of a weird thing to try to figure out at first when somebody explains it to you, but it's like riding a bike when you kind of just get the rhythm in your head. It just becomes very natural and then you always do it. But it really helps. So if you are getting into fly fishing, check out The Double Hall. Orbis has a lot of really good casting videos. I'd recommend Orvis's YouTube channel for learning some basic fly fishing stuff. The Double Hall definitely worth knowing. Any questions otherwise, I've got a few more for you. You've answered everything, Phil, can we get another scoreboard update? 00:52:56 Speaker 8: Yes, Brent, did you get the Double Hall? 00:52:57 Speaker 1: Yep? 00:52:58 Speaker 8: Okay, I thought so. 00:52:59 Speaker 1: Here Heather, we gotta go to ten now. 00:53:06 Speaker 11: In last place is Heather do Veil with one point. Baron Newcomb got himself a couple of points. He's got two now after that is Brent Reeves with three. Then Spencer, Maggie and Clay are all tied up with five points, and Giannis Butellis is now has has now pulled ahead. He has six points and is in first place. 00:53:23 Speaker 12: If I didn't have such a brain on that last, yeah, go Maggie. 00:53:30 Speaker 1: All right, these last. I think that we've got one that a lot of folks would get. One is gonna be a little bit tougher. Question number nine, the topic is natural history. What state in the lower forty eight has the most glaciers? What state in the lower forty eight has the most glaciers? It is so much fun to sit in this seat and not have the micro stress that Tony talks about. I could really get used to the spencer. I'm happy to do this anytime. Okay, start coming to town more. Yeah, count me in. 00:54:11 Speaker 5: I feel like Clan Brent or feeling like they need to host one of these episodes. 00:54:18 Speaker 1: Oh, I cannot wait. You're welcome to you. Anyone who wants to host. Mark's got to be here though. Yeah, Revenge Giving? Which catfish I've in trouble. How many of you have ever touched a glacier? Play? Yeah, in the lower forty eight, Clay, No, it's harder to come by, hard to get close to him, at least in the lower forty Lay sure. 00:54:50 Speaker 3: I think me and you probably had. What I saw of your experience with the glacier was I think like mine, it was like seeing a living animal. Yeah, it struck me like that. I mean, when you see geographic features, there's a certain response that you have that's that's really majestic and awesome, you know. Like, but when I saw a glacier, and I don't want to overexaggerate, but it was just the truth. It was it almost like took. 00:55:17 Speaker 1: My breath away. Yeah, true, large. 00:55:21 Speaker 3: It sounds dramatic like whatever, but in the context of being in that kind of wilderness, in that place, being where I'm from, I mean, it was just kind of like it was wow. And then and we were a mile from it, and it it's huge, and we just keep going towards it, going towards it, going towards it. And what looks like a fifty foot tall glacier is like a two I don't know how tall. I still can't tell you how tall it was. And we were right underneath it. I don't know if it was five hundred feet or three hundred feet. Just like the scale was just like super hard to understand. 00:55:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty spectacular. 00:56:00 Speaker 4: Dog on a leash who sponsor black Bear? 00:56:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Does everybody have a have an answer? Yeah? All right, well let's just get right to it. Heather says, nothing bear says Montana, Tony says Montana, Spencer Montana, Maggie Montana, Clay Montana, Yanni, Colorado, Brent, Idaho. 00:56:22 Speaker 8: Wow, guys, nobody got the right. 00:56:29 Speaker 1: The correct answer is Washington Alaska. Alaska has the most glaciers in North America. Alaska's got around one hundred thousand glaciers, but in the lower forty eight, Washington State is the winner. They've got around three thousand of them. And Washington's also home to the most glaciated single peak, which is Mount Rainier. Mount Rainier has twenty five or twenty six glaciers on that one single peak. Terrific place. Washington State's got a lot of really cool places to go and see these glaciers. According to the Washington Department of Natural Resources, glaciers form in areas where snow accumulation persists through time, allowing the snow to pile up and compact into ice. It typically takes hundreds of years for a glacier to fully form. Glaciers behave like rivers of ice, moving, growing and shrinking over time. They are bounded by the valleys that they reside in, but they flow under the force of gravity, and they also advance or retreat depending upon the climate conditions. They're very cool to see in person. Like you said, Clay got to get up in close and personal with the Mendenhall Glacier in southeast Alaska, and yeah, crazy crazy to see that in real life. It felt like I was stepping into like some natural history documentary and it was really cool. You can see how these glaciers are changing right now. There was a trail that I hiked, and all along this trail there were year markers that showed where the glacier used to be, and you could walk decade by decade and see how the glacier had changed. And just from nineteen ninety six to now, so I mean just a little bit less than twenty years, that glacier had receded somewhere around a mile in a move. So it used to be I was standing at the nineteen ninety six mile marker and the glacier would have be right over my head, and then I'm staring at a mile away, still huge, but different. So it was very eye opening to see see that in real life. Yeah, yeah, quite the spectacle. 00:58:30 Speaker 4: Grasshopper Glacier southeast of US. I'm going to hike to you. Someday there's grasshoppers frozen into the glacier and they're like, you can't preserve them. People go up and try to pick them out, but they basically just melt as soon as they leave the glacier. 00:58:45 Speaker 1: Wow, cool stuff, cool stuff, all right. That was question number nine. So I believe we should have another scoreboard update and a correct answer review. 00:58:55 Speaker 11: Well, just for the scoreboard update really quick before the review mark it was a zero per centers. We're right back where we were, but giannis Is is still ahead by one point. So it just comes down to this last question. 00:59:06 Speaker 1: But it is I mean, there's a strong competition still because Spencer, Maggie and Clay all still Yeah, you get it. 00:59:14 Speaker 2: You got this last ques EO. 00:59:16 Speaker 1: Wilson behind Eldo Leopold was your first guest, I think, Brent, that was a decent guest. That was a good guest until I threw in the initials. Yeah. Sorry, all right, So the correct answer review is that something you do, Faillership, I'd review it me, all right. The correct answer to question number one was b Jim or nagomine from monominee. Question number two, the answer was e O. Wilson. Three was Tarpin, four was Pasties, five was the US Forest Service. Six was the Acorn cruncher also would accept Cruncher. Seven was the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Eight was the Double Hall. Nine was Washington State. And that leaves us with question number ten. For all the marbles, Yanni, are you ready for this one? All right? You? You could, you could get this one. Maybe you could win it. Question number ten, The topic is conservation. Name wrong one film vertical? Yeah? Name the author who wrote these famous words. We simply need that. We simply need that wild country available to us, even if we'd never do more than drive to its edge and look in for it can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures, a part of the geography of hope. Name the famous author who wrote these famous words. 01:00:59 Speaker 4: I'm well, I mean, I bet this quote is in his book, right, mhmm. 01:01:12 Speaker 1: Name the author who wrote these famous words. He also has written other books? Famous author, We simply need that wild country? 01:01:22 Speaker 5: Has he published more than one book? 01:01:24 Speaker 1: Many? 01:01:25 Speaker 2: Does he work here? 01:01:29 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm giving to any clues? Yeah you did, Yeah you did. 01:01:35 Speaker 5: You got a good guess. 01:01:38 Speaker 1: We simply need that wild country available to us, even if we never do more than drive to its edge and look in. Or it can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures. A part of the geography of Hope. What a hell of a good. 01:01:56 Speaker 3: Line brushed up on that wild country before I came? 01:02:00 Speaker 1: What helped you? The geography of hope? Isn't that a great way to refer to this? Isn't that great? 01:02:06 Speaker 9: Should have just scanned Kenyon's diary one. 01:02:09 Speaker 1: You would have won the damn thing if you did that. Come on, Tony. Unbelievable. I know, I know, unbelievable. I know. Does anyone feel confident? Well? 01:02:23 Speaker 10: I did until he said he's published many books? 01:02:28 Speaker 1: Well, he's published more than one. 01:02:33 Speaker 2: What kind of books? 01:02:35 Speaker 1: Maybe? E books? Maybe not. 01:02:38 Speaker 10: I'm going back to it. 01:02:41 Speaker 7: I thought I had a decent answer until I saw your reaction to Heather's question. 01:02:46 Speaker 1: Does he work at the company? 01:02:47 Speaker 5: Let's go, let's go. 01:02:48 Speaker 1: I can't tell you the answer that. 01:02:52 Speaker 3: I don't think I got it. 01:02:57 Speaker 1: If it's the person I'm thinking of, I can here. All right, we probably need to wrap it up, though, folks. Ready, can we see some answers. Please, Oh, Heather thought it was Steve Vanella. Bear thought Steve Ronella. Tony thought Elder Leopold Spencer said Mark Kenyon. Maggie says Mark Kenyon. Clay says Elder Leopoldian says all the Leopold. Brent says Steve Ranella. That is a zero per center. The correct answer is Wallace Stegner. Wallace Stagner has written over sixty fiction and non fiction books and is known as the Dean of Western writers. 01:03:43 Speaker 4: But I bet this quote is in your book, meaning that Mark Kenyon, an author, wrote these famous. 01:03:48 Speaker 1: Words in his book. This quote in your book. This quote is the epigraph for my book. Okay and Maggie. On the second page of my book is this quote, and it informs the title of my books. 01:04:01 Speaker 4: Author Mark Kenyon wrote these famous words. He wrote those words. 01:04:08 Speaker 1: Heart type them into the into the word document. That's true. I don't think I would have We could go to a. 01:04:15 Speaker 11: Three way tiebreaker if we wanted more fun. 01:04:21 Speaker 1: Have you been listening to this argument? 01:04:24 Speaker 5: You guys didn't get it. 01:04:27 Speaker 1: I think, Phil, Phil, what do you said? Do we give them that? 01:04:29 Speaker 11: I mean, if if, what's what's the spirit of the game. If we're just having fun, I'd say absolutely. But if if if you're a se me to be a judge, I would say, no way, We're here to have. 01:04:38 Speaker 1: Fun, all right, because then we could have as I mean, you're right. I did type them into the word document, the epigram the book. 01:04:48 Speaker 4: Well done, Megan, all right, so we go. 01:04:50 Speaker 1: Wallace Stagner, as I mentioned, he was the dean of Western Writers. Wallace Yes, and you guys should know Wallacener. He taught at the University of Utah, Wisconsin, Harvard, and Stanford. He's recognized as not only one of the greatest writers coming out of the West, one of our greatest conservationists. That line that I read originally was a part of the Wilderness Letter. The Wilderness Letter was this letter that Stegner sent to a Congressional commission back in the sixties as they were debating the Wilderness Act. Should we set aside wilderness in this nation? There's a big debate discussion for years and years about it. Stagner was this famous professor and author and pulled into a lot of different administrations to advise on these things. He sent this long, lengthy, beautiful letter which ended up getting published publicly because it was so influential. And then eventually that Wilderness Letter which this came from, was actually used as the introduction to the Wilderness Act. So all of our designated wilderness areas that we have left in this nation there there because of this Act of Congress, the Wilderness Act. And if you go and read the text, it has that as well as a really beautiful pros here talking about the special places. I'm not going to read it all to you, but should go check it out someday. Very good. I just I thought you just did this smart. Yeah, it was good. All right. 01:06:13 Speaker 5: So we've got three way tie that's fun. Hey, we can just do nine more questions if you want. I'm having a good time. 01:06:23 Speaker 4: We got meat eat to radio live in a half hour. 01:06:25 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying myself. But okay, so tiebreaker question, tiebreaker. 01:06:33 Speaker 5: Like a knife just jabbed me in the temple? 01:06:36 Speaker 1: Good And this one's for Tony, So Tony, sorry, you're not in it. 01:06:40 Speaker 10: Well, everybody can play. 01:06:42 Speaker 4: Everyone will play a lot because if somebody gets it right on the nose, then there will be an extra one hundred dollars donation added to the end of the game. 01:06:49 Speaker 1: So I sent you the text for the Tiberk question. Yes, I have it. Okay, let's see it, tiebreaker, how many acres of lawn grass are in the United States of America? How many acres of lawn are in our country? Why is that a question for me? Because you like to talk about pollinators, and I'm going to talk to you about pollinators. 01:07:10 Speaker 9: I think I speak for everyone in this room when I say I cannot wait for Spencer to be back in that scene. 01:07:15 Speaker 11: And I've been saying this a lot lately. This might be our longest episode of Trivia so far, by the way, I think we're definitely over an hour. 01:07:22 Speaker 1: That's really so, I'm talking too much. Well, no one gave me a time. I have no idea how many acres? How many acres of lawn do we have in the US of A? Who I was later whoever's closest within the three way tie takes the crown? You gotta Yanni. You know what, Yanni in this room. Yanni probably listens to more episodes of my podcast than anybody else. That's right, more than Tony Peterson, more than Tony for sure, more than ton and and we had a podcast talked about this pretty recently, so I. 01:08:04 Speaker 5: Didn't listen to that one. I was one of the ones to tell me how to kill big bucks. 01:08:09 Speaker 1: Fair enough, now how to grow them? All right, how are we doing? It would be good. 01:08:15 Speaker 10: I can't wrap my head around this, but sure, yeah, all right. 01:08:20 Speaker 1: Let's see what you got, Heather. Nothing bears its fifteen tony forty point million, forty point one million. I wish you were in the game. Buddy Spencer's one and one million, Maggie one point five million, Clay four hundred million, Yannie three hundred and fifty seven million, and Brent one hundred million. The correct answer is approximately forty million acres. So close, dude. 01:08:49 Speaker 9: I've been in the tiebreaker almost every time I've played trivia and always got my ass kicked. 01:08:53 Speaker 1: And then the number to you recently. Yeah, you're so close. That is crazy. 01:08:58 Speaker 9: Mark says a lot of stuff. 01:09:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got about forty million acres of lawn in this nation. 01:09:05 Speaker 4: And did she at one point five? 01:09:10 Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I guess so Maggie won the game. 01:09:15 Speaker 12: Yes, flooky thing like that's not even an. 01:09:25 Speaker 1: I'll take a w We're here to have a good time. Well done, Maggie. The reason this is on my mind is because, like I said of Yanni, we had this guy in the podcast named Doug Talomy who is popularized an idea called the Homegrown National Park idea, which was this idea that, hey, there's forty million acres of lawn out there that's lowsy for wildlife, as lousy for birds and bugs and pollinators in the whole nine yards. So what if we could try to teach people to turn their lawns into native vegetation. 01:09:52 Speaker 12: You know, Mark Kenyon, I have been busting my butt this year trying to grow some native grasses and plants on my dirt patch of a new lawn. 01:10:00 Speaker 10: It is not easy, but we're getting some roots and. 01:10:04 Speaker 1: Good for you, and that's fitting that you want today. 01:10:05 Speaker 5: It's a three year process. Sleep, leap, no sleep, creep and leap. Ye first year, give them time, The second year it creeps. The third year at leaps. 01:10:15 Speaker 1: That's right there, you. 01:10:17 Speaker 12: Go, Well, I'll be dealing with dirty, muddy dog paws in my house for three years. 01:10:22 Speaker 5: It'll be worth it. 01:10:23 Speaker 1: Well well done, Maggie. Who are you going to be donating your winnings to today? 01:10:27 Speaker 12: I gotta go with the Wyoming Wildlife Federation. 01:10:32 Speaker 1: Very good, great organization, very cool. I appreciate you guys playing along with me. Thanks Mark, Thanks well done everyone, Good job, Barn, Maggie, good times, Well done every one. Join us next week for more meaty to Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. 01:10:48 Speaker 10: Yeah. 01:10:48 Speaker 2: Spencer from South Dakota. 01:10:49 Speaker 12: He's the host, using those smooth, mellow tones. 01:10:53 Speaker 3: He lays them questions down, and he likes taking those two and three year old bucks. 01:11:05 Speaker 1: And he's an avid amateur 01:11:09 Speaker 2: Rockhow