00:00:04 Speaker 1: Smell Us. 00:00:04 Speaker 2: Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast. 00:00:27 Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time. That's ten am for our friends in Forks, Washington on Thursday, August seventh, and we're live for Meat Eater, HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by cal And Randall. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Jones from the South Carolina Schriffers Association about seafood fraud. Then each of us will review a piece of gear. After that, we've got a hot tip off between Giannis Putellus and Rich Frowning, followed by one minute fishing with Corey Caulkins, and finally we'll lend the show with a game of fake news. First, Calan Randall, I've got a surprise for you. It's sitting right in front of you. That dessert is a five berry cheesecake from berries that I foraged and grew on my own at home, like five types of berries, types of berries. 00:01:17 Speaker 4: The size of the size of the vessel made me think there might just be five berries. 00:01:21 Speaker 3: No, no, there are five types. I'm gonna tell you about it as you dig in I've been growing some blackberries and some thornless heritage raspberries at home. This year BlackBerry crop on one of my plants specifically has just been a banner year. It is the alpha berry crop in my yard, and that makes up most of what you're eating there. But I also foraged some wild berries on our public lands here in Montana. I've got some red raspberries, some silver buffalo berries, and black currants just picked yesterday morning. 00:01:58 Speaker 4: Delicious curran. 00:02:00 Speaker 5: H oh, yeah, I was gonna ask if Phil got one. 00:02:03 Speaker 3: Yes, Bill has one. That's right, real good black currant. Probably about fifty percent of that is the blackberries that I grew, and then I'd say twenty percent is the raspberries that I grew, and then the other thirty percent are the the foraged raspberries, the buffalo berries, and the black grants. 00:02:20 Speaker 5: Now do you say currant because you're like an NBA basketball dude? Wasn't that a ballplayer? 00:02:26 Speaker 4: Durant? 00:02:26 Speaker 3: Kevin Durant, How am I I'm current? Current? I'm just ignorant, that's all. 00:02:32 Speaker 1: You're ignorant as you read Spencer. 00:02:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, why does it mean I read people. 00:02:40 Speaker 4: That mispronounced words? Learned those words by reading them. 00:02:43 Speaker 3: You know what. I like that excuse. I need that excuse a lot because I have a lot of mispronouncifications. It's that. 00:02:49 Speaker 1: That's when my mom tells me I have a stutter because my brain is just moving too fatast moving faster. 00:02:54 Speaker 3: No, it's real, it's real, phil Am I in the frame correctly. 00:02:57 Speaker 4: I feel like I moved. 00:02:58 Speaker 1: There's no right way randall. But you great as long as you're not leaning out like like, that's the classic Steve Oriannis. 00:03:04 Speaker 4: That was a real That was a real treat. Spencer. Cheesecake is my favorite dessert really, Okay? 00:03:09 Speaker 3: Do you make it yourself? 00:03:11 Speaker 4: No, but Sydney makes it for me usually for my birthday. 00:03:14 Speaker 3: Wow. Okay, and then you get some some candles in it too. 00:03:17 Speaker 6: Mm hmm. 00:03:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. Pumpkin cheesecakes I like. I like raspberry cheesecakes. I like all kinds of cheesecakes. Okay. 00:03:25 Speaker 3: So five berry cheesecake grown from bear Montana soil. 00:03:31 Speaker 4: Okay, so this is real good? 00:03:33 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you very much. That that is my surprise for you two boys today. 00:03:37 Speaker 4: Any more of a crumble guy? 00:03:40 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, give me a cobbler. 00:03:43 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good berry dish. 00:03:46 Speaker 3: All right, we're going to start the show today by interviewing Brian Jones, the vice president of the South Carolina Shrimpers Association. He's here to talk to us about a lawsuit involving shrimp fraud. Brian, welcome to the show. 00:04:01 Speaker 6: Hey, thank you, thank you for having me. 00:04:03 Speaker 3: First thing, Brian, tell us about the multi million dollar industry that is South Carolina shrimping. 00:04:09 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:04:10 Speaker 7: You know, you think about the low country in South Carolina and one of the things that's iconic about, you know, the marsh grasses and everything that is seeing the our beautiful shrimp boats. So our shrimp fleet is comprised of you know, a couple of hundred vessels. Uh, you know they're they're you know, owned by individual family members. We're all small business owners like myself and all the boats I tie up with. But you know, we we love what we do. We're outdoorsmen, we're sportsmen. When we're not shrimping, we're out there fishing too. And and you know, one of the things we love and we're passionate about is bringing fresh seafood from charle to table, bringing it home for for folks to enjoy here and you know, the the our what we catch is iconic to our our cuisine too. People travel all around the world to come to Charleston and and other places within South Carolina like Hilton Head and Myrtle Beach to enjoy our seafood. 00:05:00 Speaker 3: Now, earlier this year, the Southern Shrimp Alliance commissioned genetic testing on shrimp from Charleston restaurants that was advertised as locally caught. What were the results of those tests. 00:05:12 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that was one of those things that you know, we kind of suspected and we knew it was going on, but until recently, until the Southern Trump Alliance hired this company, Seat Consulting to do the genetic testing, you know, we weren't sure how pervasive it was. But the results, you know, they tested forty four restaurants. Of those forty four restaurants, four were determined to be serving domestic wildcaught shrimp, whereas the other forty were not. You know, and within our lawsuit, which we'll talk about, twenty five of them were outright saying that they were local or wild caught or misrepresenting it. And then that's why we named those twenty five in our case that we brought. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: Now, how did these tests come to be? Obviously people were skeptical about locally caught shrimp. Was that suspicion coming from the honest restaurants or the customers, or the fishermen or who? 00:06:04 Speaker 6: I think all of the above. 00:06:05 Speaker 7: You know, we know, you know, based on the past twenty years and where it's moved from having fleets of you know, thousands of boats, you know, down to what our fleet is now where you know, we used to where the creek where we tie up, there'd be five six boats tied up to each other up to the dock, you know, and that's dwindled now to. 00:06:22 Speaker 6: Two or three. 00:06:24 Speaker 7: So we knew, you know, we weren't catching and selling as much shrimp. And you know, when we were catching it, we couldn't move it as quickly because you know, there wasn't a demand for it. So where did that demand go? And you know, there's more restaurants and there's more people eating shrimp. It's the number one can send sea feet protein in the world and crosses all genres and types of food. If you think about anything except perhaps like kosher meals, I think you think like European, Middle Eastern Latin American American. We can sound like bubble gump here, you know when we say like shrimp kebab, shrimp scamping all that. But we knew that the demand you know, still existed, but that we weren't selling as many, So you know, I think there was that suspicion. 00:07:04 Speaker 6: Then you know, there are restaurants themselves. 00:07:06 Speaker 7: There's a lot of good restaurants out there that that we sell to, and they're getting undercut by you know, other restaurants potentially saying you know, competing for the same diners, saying they're serving wildcatsure when in fact they weren't. So you know, it was great that the science allowed this to happen when they were able to do this rapid DNA testing. Shout out to doctor Sing from Florida State, that's my alma mater, you know, and their ability to create that rapid test their Seed consultant. I think it We kind of knew it always existed, but until recently, there wasn't the ability to do that testing and find that out. So, you know, Southern Trimp Alliance, you know, did the testing or commissioned it. Seed did the consulting, and then we're sitting back there thinking, hey, you know, if this is going on, where where's the where's the accountability? And that's you know, one of the reasons we brought the lawsuit. You know, we're not afraid of fight. You think about you know, Charleston and and our historic nature, you know, between you know, fighting the British and the you know, the Battle of Fort Moultrie to you know, the Civil War. You know, we we we are you know, it's with on our nature to you know, fight for what's right, and you know, we we really wanted to make sure that that you know, not only us as shrimpers and the restaurants, but consumers too. And oftentimes you know, they're paying a premium for you know, the what what they believe they're getting is local, wildcought shrimp, when in fact, they're getting something that's been frozen for potential years, that came from halfway around the world. That they can get wherever they came, wherever they're visiting us from, whether it be Ohio, Montana, Colorado, whatever the case, and we want to make sure they're getting you know, what we love to do and what we'd love to bring home to consumers. 00:08:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, the lawsuit, you mentioned was filed by your organization, the South Carolina Shrimpers Association, on June thirteenth, and that was against twenty five restaurants. What can you tell us about that case. 00:08:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's a case. It's primarily about transparency and honesty. 00:09:03 Speaker 7: You know, at the end of the day, we want to ensure that that there's you know, motivation for folks to do the right thing and for consumers to be armed with the knowledge. 00:09:11 Speaker 6: You know, we're telling people all the time, and I'm sure we'll talk about it later. 00:09:15 Speaker 7: Is you know, ask where your food's, where your shrimp comes from, you know, ask, you know, make sure you know if it's local, that you know it's local. But how do you know if there's you know, not accountability measures in place. So we want to make sure, like this lawsuit is, what we're really asking for is for a judge to say, follow the existing law. 00:09:32 Speaker 6: If they're saying it's local, make sure it's local. If it's you know, you're saving fresh local seafood. 00:09:37 Speaker 7: You know, fresh local seafood isn't something that was grown in Ecuador, India, Indonesia or Vietnam. And there's nothing wrong with you know, if they want to say, and they want to sell imported shrimp by all means, do it, but don't stay. It's what we do, and what we're doing is spending our blood, sweat and tears, you know, to bring home. 00:09:54 Speaker 3: Now, is there a chance that the restaurants themselves were being duped by suppliers or do you think these places knew that their shrimp were not locally sourced? 00:10:03 Speaker 7: You know that that's a great question, Spencer. I would say, is it possible yes, but probable no. And you know it's very highly unlikely that you know, they were being do by uh, you know, their their suppliers. And what I mean by that is, you know where we bring our shrimp right here. You know, it comes, it goes onto ice on our boat. From the boat, it goes into boxes and those boxes go right to the restaurant. 00:10:24 Speaker 6: So you know, it's very. 00:10:26 Speaker 7: Highly unlikely that they're being you know, you know they're there's some sort of bait and switched by a. 00:10:32 Speaker 6: Supplier. 00:10:33 Speaker 7: And you know, when we speak with restaurants and they tell us, you know, you can get it cheaper, or you know it's already peeled into veined, or you know, there's some other reason and like I said, that that's fine, just don't say it's local. You know, I think the majority of them, I would suspect, uh, you know, they know what they're purchasing. It's just more about how they're presenting it to the consumer and how that affects not only us as shrimpers, but like I said, you know the good, well intentioned restaurants that are doing the right thing, at which there are a lot of and then also you know, the consumers that believe they're paying for you know, our shremp and our product. 00:11:12 Speaker 3: And who's supposed to be regulating this? How did we arrive at a place where ninety restaurants are lying about the source of their shrimp? 00:11:20 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know that. 00:11:21 Speaker 7: That's one of the questions, and one of the big motivating factors of this whole case is how do you know we got to this point? 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Now? 00:11:28 Speaker 7: How do we move forward and get to the point where you know, there's more truth, honesty and transparency. 00:11:34 Speaker 6: And I'd say, you know. 00:11:34 Speaker 7: From a regulation standpoint, there are laws in effect as far as you know, if it's true or like truth and advertising, and and you know, the Federal Trade Act, by the the Federal Trade Commission. But I think more importantly, you know, it's maybe an eye opening wake up call where you know, a country of original labeling law or putting something on a menu makes more sense. And why I say that is you think about states like Louisiana and recently in Mississippi and Texas where they've been acted country of origin labeling laws. 00:12:07 Speaker 6: So you know, just like you see where an oyster comes from. 00:12:10 Speaker 7: When you go to a seafeed restaurant, you know, and it's something that that you know is exciting, or let's say five guys. You know, you go to five guys and you get, you know, your hamburger and your French fries, and it tells you where the French fries came from. You know, it's just as easy to do that with a shrimp. I'm putting that on your menu saying, you know what, this shrimp came from South Carolina, or this shrimp you know was sourced and however they want to market it, whether it's responsibly sourced or you know, farm raised or harvested in you know, Vietnam or wherever, or or just say it's foreign imported shrimp. You know, if that's on the menu, then the consumer is able to decide, hey, do I want to purchase this or do I want to maybe you know, spend my money somewhere else. Now I know I'm either supporting local or not. And I think that that's a real value to the consumer, and I think that that's probably a path forward as far as addressing the proliferate or the sheer pervasiveness of the statistic that you mentioned where you know, you said we we got to. 00:13:10 Speaker 6: Ninety one percent. That was ninety one percent of the restaurants tested. 00:13:12 Speaker 7: And I hate the sound redundant there, but you know, we sell to a lot of other good, good restaurants too. But yes, the Seed Consulting did say about ninety or forty of the forty. 00:13:22 Speaker 6: Four that were tested. 00:13:23 Speaker 7: Now, the twenty five were the ones that we honed in on because according to Seed, those are the ones that were outright fraudulent and that that's why we brought the case specifically against them. 00:13:33 Speaker 3: Brian, is this just going to be the first shooter to drop? Could we be hearing that other restaurants in South Carolina are doing the same thing soon? 00:13:42 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's possible, and we hope that you know that this case serves as sort of a clarion call or like a a cautionary tale to those restaurants that may be doing that maybe not doing the right thing. And that's up to really you know, Seed Consulting in the Southern TRIMP Alliance, who commissions it where they may send it because they've done multiple tests. 00:14:04 Speaker 6: Like I said, we were the eighth state to be tested. 00:14:08 Speaker 7: Uh, but but they've also gone back and done testing in you know, Louisiana, Texas. 00:14:13 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:14:13 Speaker 7: And you know, I think there's other large seafood consuming markets in the state of South Carolina that that would certainly you know, garner the attention of that sort of testing. If you think about like how many people come to you know, coastal regions like Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head, Beeford in the Bluffin area, I think, you know, it's certainly you know possible. You know, we want to make sure that that you know, folks have the opportunity wanted to know what they're getting into. You know, we, like I said, you know, we we definitely support the good restaurants in doing the right thing, and we encourage other restaurants, you know, to see an opportunity to support you know, our local industry and what consumers really want at the end of the day. 00:14:51 Speaker 3: Do you have any advice, Brian, for how we as customers can prevent being duped when it comes to buying seafood. 00:14:58 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I. 00:14:59 Speaker 7: Kind of alluded to that earlier, and it is one of those things that we definitely encouraged to ask, you know, before you order, you know, to ask, hey, you know, where did this shrimp come from? 00:15:10 Speaker 6: You know, so they can make choices so as a consumer, but. 00:15:13 Speaker 7: I would also say that coupled with you know, some sort of accountability measure like encouraging you know, lawmakers to say, you know what, we want to make sure that we're getting the fresh, healthy shrimp. 00:15:24 Speaker 6: You know, it's important and an important distinction to make. And it's not just. 00:15:28 Speaker 7: About you know, the fact that we love the shrimp here and it's great and it tastes wonderful and it's superior in quality, but it's also you know, some folks want to make that decision because when they think about you know, imported shrimp versus domestic shrimp, there's a lot of concerns about imported shrimp. You know, the lack of testing when it comes into the United States about one percent inspected. And then also the concerns around ecological concerns, environmental concerns, and human labor issues. So I think, you know, people aren't intentional and they do want to support, you know, domestic seafood production, support families, these rural coastal communities. I come from a town of six hundred, and I'd be remiss if I didn't say, you know, each one of them once, invite all you down here to enjoy some of our Southern hospitality. 00:16:12 Speaker 3: Last thing here, Brian. As you stated earlier, four of the forty four restaurants were confirmed to be serving genuine US wild caught shrimp. Can you give those four places a well deserved shout out? 00:16:24 Speaker 6: Absolutely? There's a Rappahannock Oyster Company in downtown Charleston. Really, it's amazing, it's wonderful. 00:16:31 Speaker 7: There's the Coustal Creek Craft House, which is up in the North Charleston area. And then two they are a little closer here is Acne Low Country Kitchen, which is on the Isle of Palms, and then Grayson GrITT which is a mount pleasant as well. 00:16:44 Speaker 4: Well. 00:16:44 Speaker 3: Good on those places for serving the shrimp that they say that they're serving. Thanks for your time, Brian, We'll be following this case closely. 00:16:53 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:16:54 Speaker 7: Thanks, if you all want to, everyone go shrimp and come on down that. 00:16:59 Speaker 3: Thank you, Randall. You ate? 00:17:01 Speaker 4: Yes? 00:17:01 Speaker 3: What was the place? 00:17:03 Speaker 4: Rappahannock oyster barber. Let me give me a review, sort of a hazy memory, like many evenings out in What age were you mid mid mid twenties. We were down there maybe December ish, were going to Kiowa Island. I had a night or two in Charleston before we went out to Kiowa. 00:17:25 Speaker 3: All the ingredients for a hazy memory. 00:17:27 Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, if I remember, the drinks were strong and flowing generously. We ate a lot of oysters, and that's about it. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: Did you order shrimp? I can't recall you say yes, yeah, yeah, you ate it? 00:17:40 Speaker 4: One of the and it was authentically South Carolinian one of the four places. 00:17:46 Speaker 2: I think. 00:17:46 Speaker 5: Good takeaway for the audience, right is like illegal things don't exist unless there's a market for them. 00:17:55 Speaker 1: So yeah. 00:17:56 Speaker 5: Part of how you can be weigh in on any sort of seafood fraud or wildlife fraud crime is be sure of what you're buying it's not that hard. 00:18:11 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was just at the Fisherman's Daughter in Minnesota, and I was eating walleye that were caught by a boat out of that town. And if I were to find out later that those just came from like some waters in Canada, far far away, I'd have been very disappointed. It'd have been a very different experience. Yeah, So I think that that matters took. 00:18:29 Speaker 4: Especially in a place in a place like Charleston, where you expect that everything is coming right out of the water. 00:18:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like their personality, that's part of it, all right. Our next segment is gear Talk. 00:18:45 Speaker 1: Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about boats and beaten Let's talk about booths in. 00:18:50 Speaker 2: Behind those cano patterns with yon. 00:18:53 Speaker 1: Beans, Let's talk about let's talk about gear. 00:18:58 Speaker 3: Let's talk a wonderful When I heard that, I told Phil it sounded like he was singing in lowercase. 00:19:05 Speaker 1: It's just perfect. 00:19:06 Speaker 5: This is a great time to plug the upcoming Christmas album, which is just a compilation of all of Phil's little ditties and perfect stocking stuffer for those of you who still going there. 00:19:19 Speaker 1: The auction House of Oddities just like a mixtape on an actual cassette. Yes, all the. 00:19:23 Speaker 3: Drops and Phil rights on there himself and permanent marker what each song is. 00:19:28 Speaker 4: I actually have a Christmas album. When I was like twenty two, I recorded a Christmas album, including some like Holiday Greetings. They're like, hey guys, this is Randall. Okay, And I burned it on like eight CDs and sent them out to people. 00:19:42 Speaker 3: And do you still own a copy? 00:19:43 Speaker 4: No, I don't, you don't. I would pay so much money for a copy. It was so good. 00:19:47 Speaker 3: I knew what we were gonna do for our Christmas radio. 00:19:50 Speaker 4: The last track was Silent Night in German knock well good knock, hollish love one. 00:19:59 Speaker 5: But here we are in August yep. 00:20:02 Speaker 3: All right, each of us has a gear review for you today, Randall, start us. 00:20:06 Speaker 4: Off, all right, Well, got a couple items here that i'll go together. See here, these are the Birchwood casey target. 00:20:17 Speaker 3: Stands, good sound effects. 00:20:19 Speaker 4: They are bulletproof, as you can plainly see they've been struck once or twice. Then I've got a roll of Scotch Blue Painters tape bullet resistant, Yeah, bullet resistance. And then I have the this is the Gordon utility knife from Harbor Freight. It's a nice price point. I believe it comes in at five ninety nine. 00:20:40 Speaker 3: You don't need to say that. If it's from Harbor Frey. 00:20:42 Speaker 4: You can grab it. You can grab it right by the register and you can get fifty blades for five ninety nine as well. So I like this time of year. I like to do a lot of shooting. Well, I like to do a lot of shooting at any time of year, but it's more important than ever as we approach our fall hunting season. So with this little kit, can take any scrap of remnant cardboard from my garage or you know wherever I find it, and I can set up a little range, build myself a nice little square. You can see there. Oh man, you can't see the holes, but that's some of my finest field shooting. 00:21:14 Speaker 8: Uh. 00:21:15 Speaker 4: There's two well, you can see the right one. You can see eight hundred and sixty some yards. There's two three shot groups that are about three to four inches and one's in the box. Ones just to the right. So just dialing in the wind there. Tell me about the T shirt that is a baby orangutan. That's one of two orangutan t shirts that I own. One is an adult male. The other one is this baby. I think I got the adult male T shirt first, but this. 00:21:42 Speaker 3: One's just kind of a joke. The other ones, you're nice orangutans. 00:21:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the one that I usually wear to the zoo because I want to have the dominant presence when I walk into the orangutans. 00:21:51 Speaker 1: And you think the baby gives you the dominance. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: No, no, that's why I wear the adult the baby. The adults for shooting. Yeah, there aren't any orangutans anywhere nearby yard work, but yeah, I just I think. 00:22:02 Speaker 5: Do you tell people it's not an ape? It's a great ape. 00:22:06 Speaker 4: That's true, that's true. Yeah, I just I like to shoot cardboard because you can see what your bullet's doing a lot of people just like to shoot steel, and if you hit the edge, it's good enough. But the cardboard doesn't lie, and you can haul it way out there, stick it well beyond your reasonable shooting range and just see what your bullet's doing at distance. So yeah, it's economical. This whole kit, I think i'd price somewhere under thirty dollars, okay, And yeah, everybody's got cardboard lying around, and if you don't find someone who does. 00:22:40 Speaker 3: I bet you have extra because I imagine some trash blows through your property. 00:22:44 Speaker 4: Yes, lots of anything that's not wayed down blows into our property. 00:22:49 Speaker 3: Does it keep going or does it stay there? 00:22:51 Speaker 4: No, there's a nice funnel. There's a terrain funnel and then like a barbed wire fence at the bottom, so it catches all kinds of tarps. 00:23:00 Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of I put a tupperware full of Christmas cookies on top of my car as I was leaving your place one time. Did you did that ever turn up? 00:23:07 Speaker 4: No? No, no, especially in December. In December, you're getting some good win, that's right. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:23:14 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:23:14 Speaker 4: We had a we had a kids swimming pool one time that showed up and then we didn't do anything with it, and a couple of months later I saw it like a half mile away. So yeah. We we collect all kinds of stuff that's good for shooting. 00:23:26 Speaker 3: Locally sourced cards, a lot of cooler. 00:23:28 Speaker 4: Lids, a lot of styrofoam, a couple politics signs. Oh okay, so yeah. 00:23:34 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's that's what I got. 00:23:36 Speaker 4: Thirty bucks improve your shooting. Enter the field with great confidence. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: This fall Okay, good takeaway. Good one cat. What are you reviewing for us today? 00:23:46 Speaker 5: We're talking about the first Light Forge waiters. I so this is new to the market. We've been weak, right, yeah, but we've been playing with these and improving these for for three years. I think I've had five different pairs of waiters and during this very intensive product development phase. And ideally, this is a waiter that has come to the market fully field tested and the consumer should have complete faith in their purchase here. So this is a this is a big purchase, but it is done in such a way that you should have complete confidence in this thing to take care of you very barely. It's like a lifetime pair of waiters out there. 00:24:45 Speaker 3: So First Light literally spent years perfecting years yep. And that also caused a lot of questions to be asked when the folks would see it in Instagram content or YouTube video and be like, what when are these waiters showing up? Where your answer is no, out. 00:25:00 Speaker 5: Yeah right now. And so I mean they are backed by a great warranty as well, the boots and the and the waiters and man, they're just yeah, they're burly. So you got to ask yourself if you want six pairs of the discount you know, general sporting goods store waiters that you try to return throughout the course of your season, or you invest in these babies and they're going to take care of you for years as long as you you know, don't let let them sit out in the sun for half the year. You're going to be rocking these for a long time. Knee pads. 00:25:46 Speaker 3: Minimal seams that that I feel like was I've heard is the big selling point, right that there's a seam or just a couple of seams, very few seams. 00:25:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you've ever you know, stuck anything underwater, it's the seams that typically fail or like if you're staring at your tent in a rainstorm, water's coming through the seams. So this is a minimalist seam design, not quite seamless, but there's basically one seam in the whole deal. So the biggest takeaway is that we just tested the living heck out of them in every condition imaginable, all across the country and in one other country, thinking about oh we call that country Canada. 00:26:29 Speaker 4: Okay, we wore them up in Alaska bear hunting, and there's a lot of crawling around on rocks and getting in and out of boats and just doing all sorts of things that you wouldn't want to do, especially with water temps like that in a pair of waiters that you didn't have confidence in. So that was years ago, but they've only improved since. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: YEP, available now on for slight dot com. 00:26:53 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, all. 00:26:54 Speaker 3: Right, I am reviewing in OURU foldable kayak folded up. We've got pictures of this thing on the video if you're watching on YouTube. It's the size of a large suitcase and then set up, it's the size of a normal kayak. You weigh seventeen pounds, has a weight limit of two hundred and fifty pounds. That's just their base model for contacts. My regular ten foot kayak has a weight limit of two to seventy five, so it's not that different. It's made of a thin corrugated plastic. It feels and looks it's the best way and describe. It feels and looks like heavy duty cardboard that's like waterproof. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: You Sometimes it looks like I want to snap it into my birch. Would casey target holders? Yes, like a political and those are great targets. 00:27:34 Speaker 3: I worked the produce section of Walmart in College, and this is what our produce would come in. It's that type of cardboard, and they were very desirable. Folks would come in asking for that cardboard for free. Specifically, the banana boxes were the most coveted. 00:27:47 Speaker 4: Or when you get a mail hold in the post office, the get that's a great box. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: That's thesta the closest thing I can describe to what that material is. The base model, it's it's five hundred dollars, which is like within the price range of what you'd expect to pay for a nine foot kayak. I bought it on sale, and they have sales all the time Father's Day, fourth of July, Memorial Day. If you are interested in one, don't pay full price because it's going to be on sale sometime soon. I bought it for a road trip to northern Minnesota, and I told my wife beforehand. I was like, I think we get home and there's a fifty percent chance I'm putting this thing on Facebook marketplace. I was just like, pretty pessimistic. We'd go on the trip. I use it four different days, including on Lake of the Woods. That's America's sixth biggest lake, and Devil's Lake that's America's twenty second biggest, so some big bodies of water. My takeaway after using it all summer was I love it. I'm a really big fan of this thing. I've got some pros and cons here that I wrote out for you. The biggest pros the whole reason that you'd buy a foldable kayak. It's compact, it's really light, it doesn't take out much space in your vehiclear garage. It's easy to travel with. It doesn't take up room in your truck. Like I said, I can securely lock it in if I pick up if I'm traveling and sleep at a hotel in a sketchy part of Spokane, and and I'm not worried that it's, you know, gonna be gone. Yes, I've stayed in some sketchy parts. 00:29:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, they'll they'll choose through your truck bed there though. I love you. 00:29:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna have to work for it if they really want it. It's easy to carry it comes uh, you know, they're they're it's easy to care if you're trying to get some hard to access water, and they make a backpack for it. It's kind of an awkward seventeen pounds, but it's it's no problem. Maybe wouldn't go up a mountain with it, but you could. You could hike a quarter mile to some some other water access you needed to get to. It's very open, so all of your gear is visible and accessible when you're in it, which is my preference when you're fishing if you're not familiar with kayaks, so sit in and sit on, and one of them the sit in has like a cockpit, and the sit on it's just sort of an open space for fishing. I'd prefer a sit on because everything is is just very visible in you can reach anything that you have with you in the boat. And so far it seems quite durable, which is surprising because, like I said, it's so similar to that heavy duty cardboard we were talking about. They measured the life span of their kayaks and folds and they say it's twenty thousand folds. Wow, it can handle. So I did the math on that you do two folds every time you use it. If you use it twenty five times a year, that means you have four hundred years worth of folds on this thing. And genuinely it only takes a couple of minutes to tear up and put back together, so their marketing on that that it just takes a minute. It's legit. Now here's some of the cons. It's not super comfortable. I need to get out of the thing after like two hours of being in it again. I just have the base model. They do offer gel seats and other padding you can buy. I haven't done that. I don't think it's going to be an enormous game change and you're not going to be like, damn, I could take a nap in this thing, but I think it would probably make it easier to be in. Because it's so light, you really feel the wind. If you're used to a regular kayak, you'll notice this right away. This one folds up well, it folds up and it uh it can. It takes on some wind. You notice it if you're if you're casting at a log that your feet are facing and a breeze picks up, it's going to be at your shoulder pretty quick. It's easy for the wind to really manipulate you. And this could be a pro work on, but people are going to come up and talk to you about it. I took this on a lake in western Montana last week, and I had three different folks while I was getting set up before I got on the water. It came over like what is this thing? What do you? What are you doing? And my wife she was she was confused by it. She was like, is this a fisherman? Always this chatty? The answer is no. So maybe that's a pro oricon, depending on how you feel about social interests. 00:31:42 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you approach a guy with the boat like that, You're like, well, he's not going to catch anything. Yeah, well he doesn't know what he's doing. 00:31:49 Speaker 4: If he owns this, he wants to tell you sucker for an Instagram ad. 00:31:53 Speaker 3: That's right. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: What's the what's the weight capacity on that bad boy? 00:31:56 Speaker 3: Two hundred and fifty pounds? Like I said, my my uh regular ten foot kayak is two seventy five. 00:32:02 Speaker 4: I have to make sure I go pee before I get on that thing. 00:32:05 Speaker 5: Well, you know Randall's there's a big buffer. 00:32:09 Speaker 1: We actually got a segment about that coming up soon. 00:32:13 Speaker 3: Now. My big takeaway is I'm I'm always gonna hold the foldable kayak. I'm sold. I I love this thing. It genuinely gets me to fish more because it's so easy to store, transport, and set up. It made the barrier to entry of getting on a lake to go fishing super low. And that's resulted in just more days of me going out fishing. If I'm on the fence, it's very easy to talk myself into being like, well, I drive there, and I get out, and I'll be on the water in three minutes and fishing. And that's that's phenomenal. That that makes it worth it alone. And I think back to college and how I would have loved owning this thing and keeping it in my gmc jimmy, Like I would have had a very different fishing experience in college if this kayak exists. 00:32:51 Speaker 4: So yeah, plus little duck hunting, that's right, I think, oh. 00:32:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, fold that baby up. 00:32:59 Speaker 3: You gotta make them count in the bottom of the line. 00:33:01 Speaker 4: I mean, I do think the best gear is gear that gets you out. This does it Like that lowers the barrier to getting outside. 00:33:08 Speaker 3: I think any outdoorsman would enjoy a foldable kayak, but specifically if you like live in an apartment or a dorm, or if you don't drive a vehicle, that makes it easy to transport a traditional kayak or if you ride the bus. If you ride the bus, if you struggle to. 00:33:23 Speaker 5: Limited storage space at home, I mean, man. 00:33:26 Speaker 3: If you struggle to lift fifty pounds, if you're just like annoyed at the thought of moving a kayak in and out of a pickup or on and off of a vehicle, then like you are the person who would benefit the most from having one of these. So I'm very excited. It's best like outdoor purchase I've made in years. 00:33:44 Speaker 4: I'm sold. I just need to see if they make any adult sizes. 00:33:48 Speaker 3: I'm using the base model, the entry level kayak. They make bigger ones, so make a double. The weight range goes up magnum. All right, we are halfway through the show today. Let's say break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat? 00:34:02 Speaker 1: Got uh? Yes? Rashad asks, has cal salvaged anything cool from the dumpster lately? 00:34:09 Speaker 5: Oh? Well, thank you for asking. I just had my head in that dumpster yesterday. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: Is that our dumpster or like a dumpster where you live? 00:34:15 Speaker 5: No dumpster where I live. That people can't quite figure out cardboard recycling. M And it costs us like two hundred dollars because like, well, we send a whole another garbage truck to go pick up the contaminated recycling. So my my fun deal is jumping in the dumpster going through people's trash until I find what you always find, which is our shipping labels, and then I take a picture of that and uh typically address them eyeball to eyeball really yes, wow, yeah. 00:34:52 Speaker 3: And you just like wait for that encounter to happen naturally or like you'll go to their door. 00:34:56 Speaker 5: No, I make it happen. 00:34:58 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:34:58 Speaker 4: Okay. Yeah. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good guys to do nothing. 00:35:02 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. 00:35:03 Speaker 3: This is like the shrimp rod. Yeah, hold these people account is. 00:35:06 Speaker 5: And you know what the people always say. I just didn't know to which point I'm like, Okay, well now you do it. Thanks a bunch, have a great day. 00:35:15 Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for shouting. 00:35:17 Speaker 4: Good for you. 00:35:19 Speaker 1: Connor says, I do a non resident waterfowl tag for South Dakota. I'm looking to get a camper top for my Tacoma hard top versus soft top. Cool cool cool. 00:35:30 Speaker 5: No matter what direction you go, you're going to be giving up something like it's just inevitable. Yeah, you know, all the all the answers here, there's there's so many. Like a soft top that you can like accordion back throw you know your bike's over the tailgate and put big stuff in there. People still call you to help move and things like that. The hard top, you're gonna be a little more restrictive because you can't take him on and off. But nobody ever does uh more. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: Never been interested enough in a camper sliding camper to shop for one. Have you owned one? 00:36:10 Speaker 5: I think he's just talking about a topper, like. 00:36:12 Speaker 3: Just a top or cover, a camper top. 00:36:15 Speaker 4: For mine, you had an inflatable topper I did. 00:36:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, the flated and that's a that's a cool product. I would put that in the fifth wheel category. Like if you're a fifth wheel person, but you don't want like a bunch of snow and hay and crap piling up in the back of your track during the off season, get that flated topper and and you're gonna be set. 00:36:41 Speaker 4: I was. I was shocked that I saw that more than once. When I initially saw it on your pickup, I didn't think it was long for the world, but it was. Yeah, it was impressive. 00:36:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, I own a rooftop ten to Super Pacific. I will review that on some future episode of radio where we talk gear again. But I'm a huge fan of that tent. I'd like having a rooftop tent again, as long as my situation is like this where it's like just me and my wife, we don't have a dog, we don't have any kids. It's it's perfect for one. 00:37:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, the I have a go fast camper, So that's a you know, big investment, as is the one Spencer just mentioned. And I got no windows in the whole thing, purely. 00:37:25 Speaker 3: Because Spokane, Washington. 00:37:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, the Spokane effect, Spokanist animation. I want security. I don't I don't need people like I want more deterrent than than last. 00:37:39 Speaker 4: Hey, you don't want your truck looking like a storefront window. 00:37:42 Speaker 3: Right, we thought of it like that? What else? 00:37:46 Speaker 1: Not a question but a comment from Bill Randall. Thank you for your help on getting the raffle items for must The trivia and signed cookbooks had a very high return on investment. I got some solons, Is that right, Randal? 00:37:56 Speaker 4: I don't know, I've I was I've heard about this brand. 00:37:59 Speaker 1: Sold hot dogs over the campfire in your honor that's lovely of it. And then we also had someone asking if he'd be coming to the Muster in New York next year. 00:38:07 Speaker 4: Oh, i'd like to. 00:38:08 Speaker 3: I'd like to, and it will be there. He can't wait. It's already on his calend. Yeah, when is it? 00:38:12 Speaker 4: Randall, Well, it was the first week of August this year, okay or no, no, I'm sorry that Yeah, maybe it was. I don't know, somewhere in that neighborhood. 00:38:21 Speaker 3: It's on his calendar though, but yeah, I'd love to make it out. He circled it in red marker. 00:38:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, important to know his back Huntry, Hunters and Anglers, Big Eastern and one of the two big Eastern events these days. 00:38:33 Speaker 3: What's the other one? 00:38:34 Speaker 5: It would be the Black Bear Bonanza in Arkansas. But this is Muster in the mountains, so. 00:38:40 Speaker 1: I stand forgiven. He says. The summer of twenty twenty eight is the next time New York hostis, so you've got some time to plan. 00:38:47 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll put that on his calendar. 00:38:49 Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately, I do have a publishing calendar that goes that far out, so we'll have to geez match that up against our mediator American History. 00:38:57 Speaker 1: On that note, Randall, you'd like to answer this question from devn. Are the books like Mountain Men and Long Hunters on the website hardcover copies or paperback editions? 00:39:07 Speaker 4: They are all audio. There's no print version, correct. 00:39:13 Speaker 3: So you get a bootleg copy on Amazon? 00:39:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a bootleg copy on Amazon. 00:39:19 Speaker 9: Yeah. 00:39:19 Speaker 4: I know there's a lot of folks out there that would love to read it with your own eyeballs, but those are audio originals and audio only by design. 00:39:30 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, you guys would be shocked at the process of making those books. There's a lot of arguing, a lot of arguing, a lot of a lot of creative input from mini parties. Yeah, it's a cool it's a cool thing watching random and. 00:39:42 Speaker 4: Steve's very unique, very unique medium. 00:39:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see what more. 00:39:46 Speaker 1: Phil Okay, Brandon says, I'm going offshore fishing in the Gulf charter supply squid. But what other baits would y'all suggest? 00:39:56 Speaker 5: Cal I, Yeah, live bullet like live bait is pretty darn awesome, But if you're going on a charter, that's gonna be pretty limited. I'd go ahead and just talk to the captain and see what the options are. But any anything that's still swimming that you can put a hook into. Is makes for a good time. 00:40:20 Speaker 3: All right, movie, you got anything to add Randall boat captain, I would uh yeah, the other part of the continent, you. 00:40:26 Speaker 4: Know, I'd listen to your captain. As a former captain, I'd listen to your captain. Uh. It's you know, if if you want to go above and beyond following their advice and get something that's maybe not on the menu, I'm sure they would appreciate the enthusiasm. If you show up with something weird that they're not into, might be a long day on the water. Especially if you're not getting into them. There's gonna be some finger pointing. 00:40:48 Speaker 5: So we caught some grouper in Florida on the on the Gulf side with freezer burned elk meat one time. So you know, think outside the box. Thanks in the depths of the box. 00:41:04 Speaker 3: Moving on, our next segment is Hot tip Off. 00:41:11 Speaker 8: That's salty, that's salty, Phil Do you love her new song Saskatchewan Spencer. 00:41:25 Speaker 1: I haven't heard it. Oh, okay, I haven't heard it since the I haven't listened to any new stuff since the country Tinged one. 00:41:30 Speaker 3: The Giver who is amazing chapel Rod all right. This week's Hot tip Off is presented by Mountain Oops. Whether you're training for the mountain or just trying to feel your best every day, Mountain Oops has your back with proven high performance nutrition you can count on from energy and endurance to recovery and daily health. Their products are built to help you on the mountain, in the gym, or wherever your day takes you. For today's fitness hot tip Off, it's Giannis Prutellis versus Rich Frowning. Take it away, phil Ynys Food jail is. 00:42:06 Speaker 2: Hey, here's a hot tip for you for when you're thinking about working out, about your fitness and getting ready for this fall. 00:42:14 Speaker 3: Whatever you do, and I hope. 00:42:16 Speaker 2: You're doing something to get ready just because it's good for you, but don't do it just one day and then take a couple of days off. A lot of hunts, especially Western hunts, where you're taking a week off to go somewhere. If you're going out of state to hunt white tail deer, are going to be a four or five six days hunting in a row. 00:42:33 Speaker 10: Okay, so train your body for that as well. 00:42:36 Speaker 2: Okay, work out one day, run the next day, do something else with your legs. Keep doing it day after day so that your body is prepared for a four or five day hunt. Okay, most of these hunts are endurance events, not sprints, So make sure you're doing stuff one day after another. 00:42:54 Speaker 4: There you go. 00:42:54 Speaker 2: There's no hotter tip than that right right there. Thanks for being patient boys, answer. 00:43:02 Speaker 1: Chick my meat eater. 00:43:08 Speaker 11: Hot tip is the best program is the one you'll stick to. There's a ton of methodologies out there. There's a ton of different programs out there. There's people that think you should go long and slow to be better. There's people that think you need to be stronger. I think it's somewhere in the middle. But do something, find something that you enjoy. Continue to stack day's consistency is the key. 00:43:28 Speaker 3: Keep it up and get out there and do it all right. Phil is going to create a poll for the chat to vote on. We're going to give them one minute. 00:43:38 Speaker 5: Give about thirty seconds here to get their reason very similar tips real. 00:43:42 Speaker 3: And they didn't know what each other on each other was doing. It's almost as though Yanni sent that to his twenty minutes before the show today. 00:43:50 Speaker 1: Crazy. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: He's in Alaska and I think he's in Alaska right now. 00:43:53 Speaker 4: Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. 00:43:56 Speaker 3: So we've got Yanni's tip about training like you hunt in Riches tip about building a routine cal you said they're similar, but which one, which one do you like better? We're gonna let the chat decide, but maybe you can influence them. 00:44:08 Speaker 1: Pull is live. 00:44:11 Speaker 5: I mean, they're they're they're both very good. I like the simplicity of Riches, which is like, just do something at the end of the day, like all those somethings at up. However, on Giannis's deal of like he didn't say it this way, but it's like you need to exercise while you're sore. 00:44:34 Speaker 10: M hm. 00:44:35 Speaker 5: That that is a real thing, Like you gotta keep stacking those days up. So I like that one too. 00:44:46 Speaker 3: Bill. We're gonna give the chat like twenty more seconds here. If you're listening to this and you have a hot tip, send that to radio at the meadeater dot com with the subject line hot tip off and our friend Corey and producer Jake you're going to review those. We'll have more hot tips coming to you in future episodes. All right, Phil, let's close the poll. Who is the winner between Yannis and Rich. 00:45:10 Speaker 1: Percent of the vote. The winner is jo tell Us. 00:45:16 Speaker 3: Tell Us amazing, glad he got that Hot Tips. 00:45:21 Speaker 4: I don't know I'd go with Rich on that one. You know, sometimes you just grinding recording audio books. It's tough to get get a good workout in every day. But you know, do do what you do, do what you can do, do what you will do. Johannest seems like that's a program for man. It's got a lot of a lot of workout time. 00:45:43 Speaker 3: Well, fifty eight percent of the audience light Yanni's Hot Tip, better and again Hot Tip. This Hot Tip off this week was presented by Mountain Ops. All right, moving on, Our next segment is one Minute Fishing. 00:46:00 Speaker 2: I feel lucky, We'll do you punk, go ahead, make my cast. 00:46:08 Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is brought to you by onex fish. To find your new favorite place to fish, go to onexmaps dot com slash fish. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Corey Culkins. He's on a river in Montana and fishing for a donation to the Wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. Corey, Welcome to the show. 00:46:36 Speaker 10: Oh, what's up, guys? 00:46:37 Speaker 3: What's up Corey? Now? Earlier this week, I believe it was on Tuesday, Corey told me and Randall that he had a fifty percent chance of being successful today. About an hour ago, he upped it to ninety five percent chance. Are you still feeling that confident? 00:46:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, I might even bump it up to ninety six percent. 00:46:58 Speaker 4: He also repositioned since since we last had him on the screen here. 00:47:02 Speaker 3: Uh huh? Now, now why this is true? Why so confident this morning? 00:47:07 Speaker 10: Well, I'm literally watching all these fish rise right here. 00:47:10 Speaker 9: Plus I did dip my worm in the water for a hot second and it didn't take long to catch a fish, and I backed off because I didn't want. 00:47:18 Speaker 3: To burn the hole. 00:47:20 Speaker 9: Went downstream a little ways. First cast with a different fly, and I got an eighteen. 00:47:24 Speaker 10: Inch brown trout. 00:47:25 Speaker 4: Oh ye, I'll see. 00:47:26 Speaker 9: If I can get three casts in a row is what I'm going for now. 00:47:30 Speaker 5: My goodness, I saw the picture. I mean eighteen inches for somebody. 00:47:36 Speaker 3: Tell us about the fly you're going to use for one minute fishing? 00:47:40 Speaker 9: Oh, let's see, uh man, that last fish the seventeen and a half inch fish, according to cow. 00:47:48 Speaker 10: Ate, a big, chubby, big dry fly. 00:47:51 Speaker 9: But if I only get a minute to fish, I'm going to fish with a little stone fly nymph. This is a tan turd, and I also I have a little PMD nymph behind it. 00:48:02 Speaker 5: So you're running three flies? 00:48:06 Speaker 3: No, sir, just two, two under a bobber, two flies in a strike indicator. All right, Corey, you're one minute. 00:48:11 Speaker 9: I did just want to point out look at this really cool heart rock I just found. 00:48:15 Speaker 3: Oh beautiful, take that home, give it to your wife. 00:48:17 Speaker 9: All right, I will Oh, I do have one note and one request. Yes, I am self filming, so bear with me here. I gotta flip the camera around here in a second. Uh well, I don't know if I can do that now. And also, last time I did this, I believe the timers started when I walked away from the camera. If I could get the timer to start when I start my first cast. 00:48:42 Speaker 1: No, I started it at the perfect time. Corey. 00:48:44 Speaker 3: Okay, Corey, your yeah, I don't think you can rotate your camera on when you're okay that We're gonna be okay with that. 00:48:53 Speaker 10: Oh, don't you. 00:48:54 Speaker 1: Worry man Style? 00:48:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean if he casts out of the frame, is a real move here, then we really have to. 00:49:02 Speaker 1: Assume not the best picture, but somehow still better than the pond on the other side of this wall. 00:49:08 Speaker 3: All right, Corey, you're one minute of fishing starts when you make your first cast. 00:49:13 Speaker 4: Flop it in there, buddy. 00:49:14 Speaker 3: We're watching. We'll make sure that Phil is diligently line out and Phil, there we go, fly is in the water. His one minute just started. We've never had a more confident angler. 00:49:33 Speaker 4: And is eight seconds in keep that line. 00:49:38 Speaker 3: He's getting the net out. 00:49:41 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, very professional landing. 00:49:49 Speaker 3: What do we got there, Corey, he's out of the frame. 00:49:55 Speaker 10: Very healthy rainbow. 00:49:57 Speaker 5: Wow, another eighteen incher. 00:50:01 Speaker 10: Eighteen centimeters? 00:50:02 Speaker 8: Cow? 00:50:02 Speaker 3: What what did he? What did he he ate that? PMD Okay, make another cast for us anyway, you got another twenty seconds, Corey, he's going back for his. 00:50:13 Speaker 1: Rod bus Randall do you want to do? You want to do some epic like Hans Zimmer Style. 00:50:25 Speaker 3: Just made his second cast. We'll see how hungry the trout really are today, stripping line. 00:50:35 Speaker 1: We're not playing prices right this week? So oh no, I didn't want to do that. 00:50:38 Speaker 4: One slick little network you know what? 00:50:41 Speaker 3: That was such a fancyful professional landing he did. If you're listening to this, it's worth going over to YouTube right now just to see what it looks like when a pro has a fly rod in their hands. 00:50:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, barely fit in the nap. 00:50:54 Speaker 3: That's not what it looks like when I'm out fly fishing. All right, Corey, good thing, that first canoe, that's right, well done, Corey. Three in a row, that's right. He uh. He earned five hundred dollars today for my guild and Scenic Rivers coalition. We were on a one minute fishing success drought. So thank you Corey for ending that. 00:51:17 Speaker 4: Nicely done, sir. 00:51:19 Speaker 10: Hey, no problem, it was easy obviously. 00:51:22 Speaker 4: You come in you coming into the office later, how far away? 00:51:28 Speaker 3: Don't tell you? 00:51:29 Speaker 10: I got about four I got about four more miles. 00:51:32 Speaker 3: Okay, don't tell my boss. All right, well done, Corey. Thank you for joining us. Send us more pictures all right. Last for today, we are playing fake news a tape and ross shop. He talk tape balloon. Don't get to about Steve. It's a better shot than done. This so's episode weeks. You can love that. 00:51:59 Speaker 5: Sign me up for the Christmas down load except amazing. 00:52:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll set records at the action. 00:52:05 Speaker 4: It sounds like, yeah, it's is that a shot at Yannis? 00:52:08 Speaker 1: Now is a shot at Steve? Because I was I was listing like fake news story, a fake news story was Steve is a better shot than Yah? 00:52:15 Speaker 4: Right, but it's but you're you're also doing an M and M song with the Honest's new hair. 00:52:22 Speaker 6: This song. 00:52:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't even think about that, all right. 00:52:26 Speaker 3: Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three impostors. Cal and Randall's job is to figure out which one is true. All right. Here is the first headline. Officers use blank to remove snapping turtle from roadway? Is it batchy ball, leaf blower, chopsticks or rc car. This is a real headline earlier this summer. Officers use bochi ball to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway, Officers use chopsticks to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Or officers use our sea car to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Bochi ball, leaf blower, chopsticks or our sea car? M Cal and Randall, do you have an answer? 00:53:27 Speaker 5: I know that there is a headline out there Conservation Worldwise that involves an OURC car. Okay, I just don't know if this is it. 00:53:39 Speaker 3: Are you boys ready? 00:53:39 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:53:40 Speaker 3: Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying leaf blower and we have Randall saying leaf blower. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. You both got it wrong. The correct answer is our sea car. Cal knew it, but he didn't know it. That headline was from Dakota News Now on July twenty fifth, twenty twenty five. It comes from where I grew up. Hutchison County, South Dakota. Officers said the snapper was causing a traffic jam. Their sheriff's office posted the video on Facebook of a tactical RC car harassing a snapping turtle as it crossed the road. The RC car's real function is to play spike strips during pursuits. The sheriff's office has since deleted the post, with Facebook commenters flaming them for not finding a more simple solution. Here is that video play the clip. 00:54:31 Speaker 4: Phil, we didn't say it was a tactical RC car. 00:54:34 Speaker 3: Well, the headline didn't say tactical RC car and that is made to deploy spike strips, but instead it is pushing on a snapper. 00:54:44 Speaker 5: I'm just gonna guess there's just not a lot that happens in this part of South Dakota. 00:54:49 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, this looks like just some juvenile delinquents. Uh, yes, I feel like I saw this. They'd get in trouble. 00:54:56 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's it's I understand why it is deleted. Folks, like you know, you can just pick those up. You can just like let it be. 00:55:07 Speaker 5: The snap and turtle like hunting community and appreciation community is pretty strong, Like people love dealing with snappers. 00:55:16 Speaker 3: Yes, almost all the snappers I've eaten came from a roadway as I was just driving down the highway in this summer, So that dude instead pushed it around with his RC car. All right, here's the second headline. Cal and Randall are zero for two. 00:55:32 Speaker 5: We should say something about like doge for that. 00:55:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the news story about that RC car had mentioned that they got the RC car in a grant. 00:55:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably some security chases. 00:55:46 Speaker 3: Art headline too. Blank found in gift wrapped box at dash Point State Park? Is it human tow, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return or rare ferby dash Point State Park is near Tacoma, Washington. Blank found in gift wrapped box at dash Point State Park? Is it human tow, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return or rare ferby? Which one of those is the real headline? 00:56:24 Speaker 5: No clue on this one, but I know what I wanted to be. 00:56:27 Speaker 3: Okay, Randall, are you ready as well? 00:56:30 Speaker 9: Yeah? 00:56:30 Speaker 4: I'm just going with a real fun one. 00:56:32 Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying human tow founding gift wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. We have Randall saying, rare ferby founding gift wrapped box at Dashpoint State Park. The correct answer is human tow. A Cal got that one right. He wanted it to be the human tow, and it was the human tow. This headline was from Seattle CBS affiliate KIRO seven. New was on July ninth, twenty twenty five. The box was discovered on a Puget Sound beach over Father's Day weekend. The man who found it said it was ramped in green cloth and had a yellow bowt The toe was turned over to the King County Medical Examiner's Office, who tracked down its owner. They said the digit was medically amputated and that the man who it belonged to wished to remain anonymous, so case closed. Phil is now going to show his photos of that toe. If you're watching, this is your last chance to look away before you see a very disgusting picture of a decapitated human toe. 00:57:34 Speaker 4: Oh, removed humans. It's worse than I thought it would be. 00:57:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're seeing there. 00:57:40 Speaker 4: It looks like it looks like some sort of marine creature. Yes, it looks like a desiccated it looks like an alien oyster. 00:57:50 Speaker 3: It looks like a movie prop that you'd see and you'd be like, well, that's not what removed human tow looks like. It just looks ridiculous. 00:57:58 Speaker 4: But there's colors that shouldn't be there. 00:58:00 Speaker 1: It's some kind of like rock that i'd find it a gift shop. 00:58:02 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:58:02 Speaker 5: I think the color I'm assuming is the antiseptic MM that liberally hosed around the digit before they cut that let's. 00:58:13 Speaker 4: Cut back to the Yeah, there we go, There we go. 00:58:15 Speaker 3: Human tow found in gift wrap box at Dashpoint State. 00:58:19 Speaker 4: I just wanted to know how did you come up with ferby? 00:58:25 Speaker 3: Because I'm a child of the nineties, so you know that like has. 00:58:33 Speaker 5: In this particular instance though, like the person who found it probably has legal claim if the owner of the toe is like, I don't want anything to do with it, right Uh. 00:58:42 Speaker 3: That person I don't think wanted it. He reported it right away, and he told the news that there was a dead seagull nearby. So maybe the two are related. 00:58:49 Speaker 6: Whoa. 00:58:50 Speaker 4: It turns out there in Seattle were like the foot, the foot and the shoe washed up on shure. 00:58:55 Speaker 3: Mmmm it sounds right, I think so. 00:58:56 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:58:58 Speaker 3: All right, our third in headline of the day, The newest tool for Hazing wolves? Blank's voice? Is it? Scarlett Johansson, Eric Cartman, Christopher Walkin or Missy Elliott cal and Randall very quick to answer, Do you boys know this one? 00:59:17 Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. 00:59:18 Speaker 3: Okay, they've seen the real headline. We'll give folks listening and watching right now, though, a chance to come up with their answer. The newest tool for Hazing wolves Scarlett Johansson's voice, the newest tool for hazing wolves. Eric Cartman's voice, the newest tool for Hazing wolves. Christopher Walkin's voice, the newest tool for hazing wolves. Missy Elliott's voice all right. 00:59:44 Speaker 4: I would have gone with Missy Elliott's music that we were an option, but. 00:59:48 Speaker 3: Missy Elliott, all right, you boys ready to reveal the correct answer? Yes, see him, both players saying Scarlett Johansson and they, I got it. The correct answer is the newest tool for hazing wolves. Scarlet Johansson's voice. That headline was from Outdoor Life on August fourth, twenty twenty five, just a few days ago. This is part of a project by the Department of Agriculture that attempts to keep wolves away from livestock. They're using a loud speaker that broadcasts alarming sounds such as fireworks, gunshots, and people arguing. Their audio of choice comes from the twenty nineteen film Marriage Story starring Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson. In that five minute scene, Driver and Johansson scream at each other while on the brink of divorce. Here is one minute of what those wolves are hearing. 01:00:40 Speaker 4: A tough watch I can't believe. 01:00:43 Speaker 5: I could know you forever, insane, bene witting, Are. 01:00:51 Speaker 6: You kidding me? 01:00:53 Speaker 8: I wanted to be married, I already lost. 01:00:57 Speaker 6: You wouldn't love me as much as I loved you. What does that have to do with la. 01:01:05 Speaker 3: What? 01:01:06 Speaker 6: You're so merged with your own selfishness you don't even identify it and selfishness anymore? 01:01:13 Speaker 5: Your sunch a dick. 01:01:15 Speaker 3: Every day I wake up and I hope you're dead. 01:01:18 Speaker 6: Didn't like it. 01:01:19 Speaker 3: If I can guarantee Henry would be okay. 01:01:21 Speaker 4: I hope you're gonna illness and they can hit by a torn. 01:01:24 Speaker 3: Done powerful stuff. Here's a spoiler there. They do get divorced after that. 01:01:31 Speaker 4: I was hoping that seeing that clip would would stir some memory of what that movie was about. But my only the only thing I can recall is just them screaming at each other. 01:01:42 Speaker 1: I didn't like that. 01:01:43 Speaker 4: Tough watch to watch hard stuff. 01:01:45 Speaker 3: Cal has pulled himself away from the table. 01:01:48 Speaker 4: Cartman would have been good. 01:01:49 Speaker 3: Eric Cartman would have been good. What would it sound like, Phil if if any of those other folks were delivering some audio to keep wolves away from live sock? Your choices are Eric Cartman Christopher walking, Missy Elliott? Can you get these wolves away from these cows? Very good? I really love that. Do you have anymore? 01:02:09 Speaker 4: No? 01:02:13 Speaker 1: What are you doing by that fence? 01:02:15 Speaker 4: You got it all wrong? 01:02:16 Speaker 1: You don't want to be. 01:02:20 Speaker 4: Well? No, he's not in the movie Anaconda? 01:02:22 Speaker 1: Is he walking? 01:02:24 Speaker 3: Know? 01:02:24 Speaker 4: Isn't that Angelina's day? 01:02:27 Speaker 2: Yeah? 01:02:27 Speaker 4: Never mind? 01:02:28 Speaker 3: Do you have a Christopher wagging for us? Randall? 01:02:31 Speaker 8: No? 01:02:31 Speaker 4: But I was trying to come up with a Missy Elliott song, and the only one I can recall is get your freak on. And I don't really know much of it except for just the chorus, which repeats the title of the song. 01:02:43 Speaker 3: Musical masterpiece. All right, that's stop, don't go there, that's right? 01:02:50 Speaker 1: What what are you doing? 01:02:52 Speaker 10: The watch. 01:02:56 Speaker 1: Shoved it up his ass? 01:02:57 Speaker 5: Those cows are not for wool? 01:03:00 Speaker 4: You got it No, you got it all wrong. See, you got my guy all wrong here. 01:03:04 Speaker 3: I don't think that would keep the wolves away from the livestock. I'm intrigued because he's such a mysterious character. He chose Adam Driver and Scar Joe screaming edge. All right, that's the edit today's show. Phil. Let's get some final feedback. 01:03:17 Speaker 1: Oh, goodness. Okay, I still a bunch of a bunch of questions from the first round. Will hit about some local tips without spot burning. Will says he'll be flying into Bozeman next Tuesday. Any tips for a first trip to the area, looking to do some fishing in alpine lights and streams within two to three hours of. 01:03:31 Speaker 4: Both Now do this without spot burning? 01:03:33 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the biggest tip, go carry on the Bozeman airport is an absolute master right now? 01:03:40 Speaker 1: I bet yeah, they're doing a bunch of baggage claim. 01:03:43 Speaker 5: With all the guest ranch yellow Stones influx of tourism. 01:03:50 Speaker 1: It's brutal. 01:03:51 Speaker 4: And if you feel like you're being followed by a suspicious character and you need to get away, just put on a cowboy hat. 01:03:57 Speaker 3: You'll just blend in. 01:04:00 Speaker 5: Put on a Feldt cowboy hat, brand new middle of summer in Montana. It seems to be a real track. 01:04:09 Speaker 4: In all seriousness, just get away from people. 01:04:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, two to three hours. That can get you to the other side of Yellowstone National Park. That can get you to the other side of Missoula. There's a lot of fishing between here and there. Go to on X, turn on the layer that shows you like you're looking at Google Maps, not the aerial, and you'll see all these little bodies of water. They all have names. Go type that into Google. The Montana FWP does a good job of telling you what fish are in that lake as well as what I really like, how much angling pressure a body of water gets. From surveys, you'll see some numbers that are only double digits, like ninety five angler days. That would imply no one is fishing there. Other lakes are gonna be in the thousands. So just just pull up on X, find something looks nice, and then see what they have to WP as saying. 01:05:00 Speaker 5: He's your own adventure, and then you get the feeling of hey, I did that. 01:05:06 Speaker 4: It's great. 01:05:06 Speaker 1: There you go, Zach says, Speaking of gear, he sent this in a while ago. Is there a new gear item that you're bringing into the field this fall? M a new piece of gear. 01:05:17 Speaker 3: I have an Illinois deer tag, and so for the first time in my life, I will be hunting with a straight. 01:05:23 Speaker 4: Wall cartridge cool straight wall spencer. 01:05:26 Speaker 3: Decided to give that a shot. That will be a new piece of gear for me. 01:05:30 Speaker 5: Man I go, I gotta look up what the heck it is. But I got a new razor the other day and I'm super pumped on it. I'm not gonna be bringing this into the field, but it's like a one piece aluminum replaceable britt blade razor made here in Belgrade, Montana. I'm looking it up right now. 01:05:52 Speaker 1: I'm pumped on it, Randall, great product. 01:05:56 Speaker 4: You know, in preparation for today's segment, in case, in case it wasn't. 01:06:01 Speaker 5: Clear to all Proof Raser, Randall, It's called Proof Great Raser. 01:06:08 Speaker 4: I don't have. I don't have any new gear at the moment that I'm I'm real excited about. I spent most of my money this most of my fun money this year on a few ill advised fun gun projects and a whole pile of suppressors. 01:06:23 Speaker 6: So, uh, you. 01:06:25 Speaker 3: Should, if you have gear, you should send Randall your free gear. And here's the best reason why. Someone sent him some hot dogs and then he posted about those hot dogs on Instagram and that video got how many views? 01:06:38 Speaker 4: I think it's at like one point one or one point two million something like that. Oh, I don't know, there's one hundred thousand different. 01:06:46 Speaker 3: That was just because some hot dogs showed up addressed to random guy. 01:06:49 Speaker 4: Guys sent me some hot dogs from Wimmors Meats. Shout out Wimmors Meats. I believe in the Great state of Nebraska or Kansas. 01:06:55 Speaker 3: It was the best marketing he could have ever done. 01:06:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, but they don't have an Instagram page, so I was going to tag him in it. Well, but yeah, case meets out there, got them, put them up on the internet. People are hot dogs are having a moment on the internet. So I don't know that it's core to our audience, but it really made the rounds with a very strange subset of people. 01:07:15 Speaker 3: Bill what else you got? 01:07:17 Speaker 1: There was a question for cal about what the best route for backpacking through the frank Church wilder or is it wildlife preserved? Yeah, wilderness area is if you have any nips about where to start or where to. 01:07:31 Speaker 5: There is a lot of water along pretty much every access point into the frank Church so it's a big wilderness area, but it's heavily accessible. There's a road that kind of goes all the way through it, so you have lots of options. It's a gorgeous spot. 01:07:54 Speaker 1: Go for it. Yeah, No, there's no no wrong answer there, Zach says Phil. What's your Pokemon go friend? Code, Zach, I don't actually play a lot of Pokemon Go. The only reason I have it on my phone is for my kids. I played a lot in twenty sixteen when it first launched. Who could forget it? Who could forget when Hillary Clinton urged us all the Pokemon Go to the polls? That worked out really well for her. That's that's what it was at its most most relevant. But there are a lot of people that still that still play on. 01:08:24 Speaker 3: The election that day when she said, now we need you to Pokemon Go to the polls, yep, so he'll still talking. 01:08:31 Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry to start with the heartbreak there. 01:08:33 Speaker 3: But Zach's question can get you to play Pokemon Go a little more now that you have potential friends to make? 01:08:39 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't even I mean, Zach, you tell me what I can even do in Pokemon Go these days. I only know that all the stuff you could do nine years ago. 01:08:47 Speaker 4: So I read that as not Pokemon Go friend code. I read that as Pokemon Go friend code. No, I was wondering what a Go friend code was. 01:08:57 Speaker 3: I feel, let's do a few more. 01:08:58 Speaker 1: Okay, let's see get get in, get in some questions, because I think I think we're running out of ones that I feel like reading, I saw. 01:09:07 Speaker 4: One in there about the Little Miami River. 01:09:08 Speaker 1: Phil oh, Sure, yeah, talk about it, Randall. 01:09:12 Speaker 4: We love the Little Miami River. It's the greatest, one of the greatest rivers in our country. 01:09:16 Speaker 1: Wow. 01:09:16 Speaker 4: It's actually mentioned by Thomas Jefferson in his book notes on the State of Virginia and he's describing all of the rivers he's ever heard of, and he describes the Little Miami as not affording much navigation. But southwestern Ohio, just outside of Cincinnati, kind of tickles the tickles the east side of the Cincinnati two seventy five Beltway. We love it. We love it. Our Vice president was just floating on that river for his birthday. 01:09:46 Speaker 3: As a child. That was very confused by a few names in the country, Miami, Ohio being one of them because of their university, who's sometimes relevant in college football. So no, that's Florida. And then also the Washington football It was like, well, that's like the West Coast. It didn't make sense to me. I see how they were in the same division as the Eagles and the Cowboy. 01:10:07 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know how Miami, Florida got. 01:10:09 Speaker 3: Its name, but oh Ohio had it first. 01:10:12 Speaker 4: Well, it's a it's people, it's an indigenous, it's an indigenous nation. So the Great Miami River, Little Miami River, Miami University. I don't know there Maybe there was diaspora. I know, like a lot of those tribes in the Ohio River Valley were pushed out and they created a sort of diaspora across the country. So I don't know if that's how Miami got its name, but I'd like to claim it for Ohio to yours. 01:10:38 Speaker 3: Fill what else you got. 01:10:41 Speaker 1: Christopher says, cow. What is your weapon of choice for your big bear hunt? 01:10:45 Speaker 5: Oh, I'm bringing my I'm bringing my recurve and a three hundred wind mag So I have a big bear hunt coming up. Brown bear fall, brown bear in Alaska, out on the peninsula. And so it's an actual coastal brown bear, which is like a just a spoiled kid adventure that I never thought i'd do, but it's happening. 01:11:07 Speaker 6: Uh. 01:11:07 Speaker 5: So I'm gonna try to sneak up on some old, stanky brown bear with my reek curve and and usher him silently but effectively into a deep slumber with a well placed Oh, five hundred and eighty grand arrow and then I'm gonna have that three hundred wind bag for ideally getting a couple of wolves because they're supposed to be just a ton of wolves in this area. 01:11:39 Speaker 1: And then if all of this. 01:11:41 Speaker 5: Goes to plan, my big thing that I want to do is do like a Korean style barbecue on the beach with brown bear and wolf. 01:11:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be fun. Yep, they'll give us one more. 01:11:57 Speaker 1: Uh, you have a dough if you got me. This is great content. And I had one ask. It was one for me that I don't think is interesting. I'm trying to find another one. But I'll just say, does Phil cook what you do? Mean eater roast? The answer is I cook a little bit, but I'm not confident enough to be in front of a camera at cooking a bunch of meat that I've never cooked before. I was supposed to be a judge for one episode, but I got bumped for Randy Newberg. 01:12:18 Speaker 4: It was tough, plain because plainly, after watching my episode, it's a prerequisite that one be confident in they're cooking to compete in Meeta to roast, yes, of course. 01:12:27 Speaker 3: All right, before we get out of here, Randall has a plug for next week's episode, where we are doing a movie club. 01:12:33 Speaker 4: Oh, that's right, that's right. Next week we will be talking about the nineteen ninety seven film Wild America one hour, forty six minutes. It tells the story of the stove for Brothers twenty nine percent on Rotten Tomatoes. You can stream it on two B for free, and I think the other streaming options out there require some sort of nominal rental fee. But I don't know how many people are actually watching these movies, so we decided that to be was sufficient. 01:12:59 Speaker 3: It's quite literally free if you have a smart TV or any kind of ye streaming stick service. 01:13:05 Speaker 4: Yep, it's free. But tune in. Jonathan Taylor Thomas h You might know him as the voice of Young Simba. He's the star. And then Scott Bearstow stars as Marty Stofer, the famous filmmaker. You might know him from his work opposite Kevin Costner in The Postman. All right, Scott Bearstow, that is Marty Stofer. 01:13:25 Speaker 3: Not I don't I think Phil is really going to excel in this movie club. 01:13:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. Tune in. 01:13:32 Speaker 5: You could probably do The Postman too, I know The Postman, water World, Oh. 01:13:36 Speaker 1: Gonna Costner's filmography. 01:13:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a rich, it's a rich. Oh all right, thanks. 01:13:41 Speaker 3: For watching, thanks for listening. See you back here next week.