00:00:04 Speaker 1: Smell us Now, Lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast. Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live, coming to you live for Meat Eaters World Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. It's eleven am Mountain time on July third. That's eight pm for Steven Ronella, who's currently in Tanzania. I'm your host, Jiannaspitalis, and I'm here today with Spencer Newharth aka Booth, and Austin Kleberad aka Chili. On today's show, We've got big news out of Pennsylvania. I'll bring you up to speed on my training for the Crazy Mountain one hundred. We're getting a fishing report from Tony Jackson on the Crystal Coast, North Carolina. Tony's also playing one Minute Fishing in the studio. We'll be playing fake News brought to you by Spencer Newhart. And lastly we'll talk to Jacob Hernandez and Bo Hendrickson from the US Fish and Wildlife Services Partners for Fish and Wildlife program who are on site. It might soon to be oak Savannah in central Wisconsin, so let's get right to it. Spencer, how did you get the nickname Booth? 00:01:28 Speaker 2: You've been fascinated by this ever since you heard that was my high school nickname. 00:01:32 Speaker 1: Well, I asked everybody their nicknames from high school when we were for intros for doing roast, but then then they never really became part of the show. And yeah, I think that I think you actually told me the story, but I feel like we should tell the world. 00:01:44 Speaker 2: It was just born out of teener baseball. It was like every single player had to have a nickname, and I happened to resemble a pitcher for the Minnesota Twins named Booth Bondser. We both had shaggy haircuts through an average curveball. You're a I mean you played everyone is a pitcher in tenor baseball and a town of six hundred people. So yeah, anyway, just everyone got a nickname. I was. I was Boof, named after Boof Bondser, and I don't think that was his real nickname either. He came over in one of the Minnesota Twins best trades in franchise history. Yeah, they got Francisco Leriano, Boof Bonser and Joe Nathan totally like changed the trajectory of their franchise for a few years. My favorite era of Minnesota Twins baseball, so that that nickname boof Uh. If I go back home to where I'm from, that's that's what I'll get called. 00:02:41 Speaker 3: Oh oh, so it has kind of stuck. 00:02:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, it sticks, like my my old coaches and teachers will call me that, my high school buddies, but I don't. I don't hear it in Montana. Besides Yanni Chilli. 00:02:54 Speaker 3: Maybe we should bring that around. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: We should. 00:02:56 Speaker 2: We should definitely call him booth I did. 00:02:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we all know how Chili got his uh nickname. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: It's so cold, So what's that? Because he's so cold? So cold? They used to call me something different back in the back in Oh what's that? 00:03:11 Speaker 4: They used to call me club? And like so like that, Yeah, call me club. And then so when I go on, like Spencer was saying, it's just like all like the coaches and it's like clebby Club. Nobody calls me Chili from back on Club. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: I like it. 00:03:28 Speaker 1: Chili's better onwards, Oh, Phil, e're up. Now He's gonna do a quick plug for the kids show, which is back in action. 00:03:38 Speaker 5: Kids shows, Back in Action. We have a kids show. It's called the Meat Eater Kids Podcast. It's fitting uh season three just started. There is one episode out so far. Uh, it's but the most important thing is that it's on its own feed, not dropping any episodes on the Meat Eater podcast feeds. You just have to do the incredibly hard work of typing in Meat Eater Kids into whatever app you you and then follow or subscribe. 00:04:02 Speaker 6: And yeah, we've got. 00:04:04 Speaker 5: Clay doing the first segment instead of Steve the why It's the Way it Is segment Maggie Headlow's doing. Guess that Critter and Spencer still in the host chair for trivia as is appropriate, So. 00:04:15 Speaker 6: Check it out. 00:04:17 Speaker 5: Another thing, Oh yeah, we're doing five episodes they drop on Mondays. 00:04:21 Speaker 6: That's important. 00:04:22 Speaker 2: This isn't a dig at anything else we do. I think it's the best thing we make on the podcast front. 00:04:28 Speaker 5: It's I mean, it's definitely. Yeah, it stands on its own it's it's I mean, it's fun for me to work on. 00:04:33 Speaker 6: I like it a lot as. 00:04:33 Speaker 2: Well, similar similar to radio, fil gets to really flick flex his engineering audio muscles because there's all sorts of fun sounds in there. 00:04:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. I just either I felt something on my neck and I just went to go smack it, and then you see. 00:04:51 Speaker 2: The second one here today is filled with blood film. 00:04:54 Speaker 6: Probably not. I don't think that's all mine could be though, Oh. 00:04:58 Speaker 3: We're sharing diseases. 00:05:00 Speaker 2: Probably two mosquitos in the podcast studio. 00:05:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, with us a very short time period. I feel like in and around Bozeman with the Skeeter season like one to two weeks. And I noticed it last night on on I was shooting some arrows right at dusk at my house and I was getting annoyed. I was thinking, this will last another few days, it'll be over. 00:05:19 Speaker 3: You feel that way too. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: I feel like I don't encounter it in the valley as much as if I like get near water in the mountains. That's the worst mosquitoes in my life. 00:05:29 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, But again I don't think it's it doesn't last forever, because as soon as it sort of starts to get dry, they tend to just, I don't know, beeter out. 00:05:38 Speaker 5: And I've got one other thing to mention before before we move on some housekeeping. We're going through some internet woes here at those mean HQ. Internet's been dropping out actually around this time, almost every single day. If the internet does drop out, and you lose the feed. We will be back in about two to three minutes, so don't go anywhere. We're talking to tech people trying trying to fix it. But if that does happen, the show's not over. We'll just disappear for about two minutes and then pop back up. 00:06:02 Speaker 2: Phil, you know technology, Why eleven am? Like, what's going on there? 00:06:06 Speaker 5: It's eleven am when technology, I've got no clue. Spencer, I have no idea. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: No, it should be fixed, though, Phil, we should go Chili. 00:06:14 Speaker 5: Chili made some calls and uh and so hopefully hopefully everything's working well where we're kind of just troubleshooting and see if it works. 00:06:21 Speaker 1: But so far, so good. Let's keep it going and get everything knocked out. In case it does drop out, at least we'll get most of the showed none all right, huge win in Pennsylvania. A statement released by the Pennsylvania Chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglos reads, for over a century, Pennsylvania hunters have been shut out of the woods for half the weekend. With the passage of House Bill one four three to one that can finally change putting decisions about hunting seasons in the hands of wildlife managers not outdated blue laws. Since twenty seventeen, Pennsylvania backcountry hunters and Anglos has led the charge for the long overdue reform. It's a major win for access, especially for working families and public land hunters. Yeah, if you were living under a rock, you could not hunt on Sundays in Pennsylvania. I don't know exactly how many years that law has been around, but a long time. Many generations of Pennsylvania hunters. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: So insane that it's just incredibly antiquated that in twenty twenty five that would still exist. And I felt like they've been creeping towards this, like they allowed it. I don't know their history totally, but it was like one Sunday all of a sudden, and then it was like on private land or so that's right now. It seems on July first, a few days ago, it reached Governor Josh Shapiro's desk, and if he signs it, then seems like Sunday hunting is fully in action in Pennsylvania. 00:07:44 Speaker 5: Really the only pushback on it, and I only know this because I just got done editing Cal's podcast that's dropping on Monday. It's just people other recreation old like people who don't hunt but are outdoors like hikers being like, oh, I'm gonna feel unsafe in the woods on Sundays, Like Sunday has been my safe day to go. 00:08:01 Speaker 6: Hiking, and that's that's kind of the only knock that. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Well, they will realize that Sunday will still be a safe day. 00:08:08 Speaker 6: I think they will. 00:08:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, Chillie got anything to say about that? Have you ever experience Have you ever hunted in Pennsylvania? 00:08:14 Speaker 6: I have not. 00:08:15 Speaker 1: No. 00:08:16 Speaker 4: I mean the only experience I have with Pennsylvania is when we did the Meat Eater Live tour and we just went over to Pennsylvania and Pittsburgh, but like, yeah, never got to explore outside. I want to Seth keeps talking about white til hunting over there, sounds pretty pilling. 00:08:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, now that we can hunt Sundays, I'm definitely more interested. 00:08:33 Speaker 2: We got a Slack message saying the internet is down? Are you noticing that? Phil? 00:08:37 Speaker 3: Oh? No, I'm not. 00:08:39 Speaker 6: As far as I can tell. 00:08:40 Speaker 5: We're still live, and I think the viewers will let us know in the chat. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: I think Corey's just trying to stir the pot because he tried to scare us. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: All right, Crazy Mountain one hundred exactly three day, three weeks, one day from today, I'm going to start on my little endeavor run one hundred miles in a row. I got forty miles with a bunch of elevation this weekend, and then I'm tapering all the way to the finish. That's how I'm looking at it. You guys know what taper means. To taper when you're like like getting. 00:09:14 Speaker 2: Where it tapers and it gets skinnier at the end. 00:09:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right to me. It's actually the hardest part of this whole business I've done. This is like, I don't know, three or four of these longer distances, and after this weekend, I'm going to basically be after a couple of days of rest, I'll be at the peak sort of you know, performance peak feeling that I'll be the whole time okay, And your brain's ready to run, your legs are ready to run, and then you're like, oh, I have to just chill for two weeks basically and wait, because you know, the hope is that you're going to rest some more and just really come into it full, you know, full, full speed ahead. But Brad is asking ca this was your first ultra? 00:10:00 Speaker 2: Honest? 00:10:00 Speaker 6: Is it fifty considered an ultra? It is one hundred. 00:10:03 Speaker 1: I think I have Googled it once and I was told we don't google anymore. Now you got to what's the new thing that you gotta do instead of Google? 00:10:11 Speaker 2: GPT? 00:10:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, chat GPT. But anything over twenty six point two, So anything over at marathon I think is considered ultra. So this will be my third I've done two fifties. Sorry, fourth, I've done a thirty one mile er two fifties, and they h this will be my first hundred. 00:10:29 Speaker 2: How often do you check in with your coach? 00:10:32 Speaker 1: Oh, once every two weeks probably, but she, uh, you know, she has my schedule, training schedule, you know, written out, usually one. 00:10:42 Speaker 3: To two weeks out. 00:10:43 Speaker 2: Do you pay her? 00:10:44 Speaker 1: Yes, I pay her and get a gym membership at the same time at the Mountain Project. 00:10:50 Speaker 2: Okay, how many other people is she coaching for a run like this? 00:10:55 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if she has I know for sure she has one on one other guy that's doing one hundred, but I don't know how many total. So they call him online clients because they have like in house clients too. But I'm what they call an online client, so I don't get that much really one on one time with it. Like, we've never been on a run together. We've been trying to kind of plan one, but we've never done it. Okay, all right, so I'm feeling good. I'll let you guys know how it goes. My goal is to finish. 00:11:24 Speaker 2: Look good, looks strong today, Jannie. 00:11:26 Speaker 1: Look yeah, well, i'd like to feel I like to be that way at the end of this race. 00:11:30 Speaker 3: All right. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: A couple of meat Eater Store highlights. If you're into the Gnome T shirt thing that we got going, We've just released a Gnome angling a Megalodon t shirt, but it's almost sold out, so if you're looking to get one, get after it. The next Nome T shirt will launch at the end of July's keep your eyes open for that. The meat Eater Store is having a summer sale July eight till eleven, and the theme is summer cooking. Some of the items that are gonna be on sale select cookbooks twenty five percent off. This is the deal century right here, bench made meatcraft or two point zero forty percent off. It's almost half off, Spencer and fire Breather hot sauces are half off, which I really I really like. That's one of the cooking like seasoning cooking things. 00:12:19 Speaker 6: I'm a huge fan of it as well. 00:12:20 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's like got a really nice flavor. H I feels kind of a hot sauce snob. 00:12:25 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say snob. I am reping that. I am repping a Hook and Arrow hot Sauce shirt today. Shout out to those guys because the last time I complained about having to pay for the fire Breather sauce, the Hook and Arrow guys who are fans of the show heard me and sent me a bunch of hot sauce. So thank you to And they've got hot sauce on hot ones this season. Very exciting last them. 00:12:42 Speaker 3: Oh good. 00:12:42 Speaker 2: Oh I never thought about how that could be really. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: Hot sauce company show on you like that? 00:12:52 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:12:52 Speaker 2: When I see clips from that, I wonder, I say, who, I says to myself, who watches this? 00:12:57 Speaker 1: You ever? 00:12:58 Speaker 2: I know, I know that's what blows my mind feels. It's like the most popular on it was great. 00:13:02 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:03 Speaker 2: Do you see the caliber of people that have Yes, I. 00:13:05 Speaker 5: See all the clips from have you not stapped through like a whole episode though, because it's made really really well, and Sean asked like some really interesting questions. 00:13:12 Speaker 2: Okay, I trust you, Phil. Now I'm gonna check out I see I see the clips online. 00:13:17 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think the key is is to watch it all the way through, because you get to see the progression and just how the two things that interview and then like the effect of hot Sauce intermingle and it's just like a weird, wacky idea and they execute it so well. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: I've seen Sean on other shows where he gets interviewed, and he had talked about famously DJ Khaled did he have an episode. 00:13:40 Speaker 5: One of the first episodes, he chickened out after two or three hot sauces. I don't remember if he walked off the set, but basically was just like, no, I'm done. 00:13:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:13:47 Speaker 2: I think I think he had said he ate like a big ass launch before that and then well and they like warned him to like do not do that, and then he did it anyway and just did not participate hardly that that specific So that would be interested in. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, if you find it, share it with me please, all right. Finally, the end of our little chit chat here up top. Some of you might be wondering, where's Randal, How is Randal? What's he up to? 00:14:18 Speaker 3: Were you thinking that? 00:14:20 Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you, folks, he's on vacation in Germany, and today we have our first installment of Randall does Europe. 00:14:34 Speaker 3: Let's see the clip bill. 00:14:37 Speaker 5: Hello friend, Cerral pal doctor Randall recording live on tape delay from Europe. 00:14:44 Speaker 2: You've got a voice not here. It's a lovely Austrian treat and I just wanted to give you a quick update on how my vacation's going. So fall along and I think you'll enjoy this. 00:15:01 Speaker 7: Boop did. 00:16:19 Speaker 6: Incredible? 00:16:21 Speaker 1: What treasure that man is not a. 00:16:26 Speaker 2: Folks who are only listening? That was two minutes of Randall just eating hot dogs and sausages in Europe. 00:16:32 Speaker 5: Yes, Cody says that Randall Randall is the most successful homeless person in history. 00:16:39 Speaker 2: I noticed some of those clips he was wearing the same outfit, so he was he was going double meal of sausage in some of those days. 00:16:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's gonna have to five to seven day recovery period and he comes back. 00:16:51 Speaker 1: But yeah, I remember he's travel in Europe. So he's probably wearing the same outfit several days. 00:16:57 Speaker 2: Well, then he styled his hair the same he he did everything the same on those true. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: It was funny because we were slacking with Randall and I think ChIL you asked him, like if he had hiked those hot dogs up to the top of that mountain? 00:17:10 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:17:10 Speaker 4: Well, like, uh, I he texted us that video one of the little montage he had there, and I was like, did you hike that thing up there? Because I could definitely see you packing a hot dog, hiking to the top of a mountain and then sitting down and eating it. But now there's like a little little uh stand up there. 00:17:27 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:17:28 Speaker 1: And his answer was no, Europe is the best place ever. They just have cabins on top of mountains that serve beer and sausages. 00:17:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes me want to go now. 00:17:39 Speaker 1: No, hey, wherever he is, I want to go and experience that. That looks delicious. 00:17:44 Speaker 2: Does that you have a real sausage culture. 00:17:49 Speaker 3: No, No, they make some sausages. 00:17:52 Speaker 2: There's like dumpling adjacent things. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: Perogi's a little bit man, it's uh it's bland food like nice, It's very yeah, like sauer kraut. Giant hunks of pork cooked slow. It's not too exciting. But I think also like the same way it was for hunting over there in the hunting traditions, right, like having being you know not Latvia and being occupied for so many years, Like they kind of just beat that stuff out of you. Right, So because you're not allowed to celebrate being a Latvian, you can't sing your own songs, you can't eat your own food, you can't you know, pray in church in your own language. Right, all that stuff is beaten out of you. And so now they've been free since ninety one, it's sort of probably like hopefully that stuff will come back around and somebody will find old versions of you know, Latvian food and it'll become a thing again. But it takes time. Man, Like that place is they sort of lose your identity when you're occupied for so long, you know. 00:18:59 Speaker 2: It's on you. You get you got to help do that totally, totally. 00:19:03 Speaker 1: Luckily I have peers that are over there and doing that. Okay, our next segment is one minute Fishing, Phil, Do I feel lucky? 00:19:15 Speaker 2: We'll do you bunk, go ahead, make my cast. One minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish, and if they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation to a conservation group. This week, our angler is Tony Jackson from Finnchasers USA in North Carolina, and he's fishing for a donation to the Coastal Conservation Association. Tony, welcome to the show. 00:19:43 Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, guys? Thanks for having me Tony? Honest here, it's been Has it been two years or three years since we fish together? 00:19:52 Speaker 8: I would say it's been at least two it could be three. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: I had the pleasure of fishing with Tony and uh my father in law, his neighbor, Steve pif First shout out to Steve, who's According to Steve, he's still out there hammering away. Have you seen him lately? 00:20:07 Speaker 8: Yeah, he's still catching fish. 00:20:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, at the ripe old age of eighty, multiple back surgeries and he's still he's not letting down. Man. 00:20:15 Speaker 3: He likes to set the hook. 00:20:17 Speaker 8: Ye, I feel bad for the local panfish population. 00:20:20 Speaker 2: Tell me about your day of fishing with Tony. Yanni. 00:20:24 Speaker 1: We were I think pretty much solely targeting redfish, and we were using cut bait under where we fishing popping corks, Tony, I believe under popping corks. Yeah, and uh yeah. It was like often it is with redfish. If you're off the mark by ten feet with your cast, there's like no bite. But if you put it in the spot, man, it was a fish almost every single cast. So I don't know how many we caught that day, but it was quite a few. How's the fishing been lately out there? 00:20:57 Speaker 8: Redfish fights just now starting to pick up. It off a little slow for us this year. Typically by May we're wide open and and this year it kind. 00:21:05 Speaker 6: Of they trickled in. 00:21:07 Speaker 3: But the shrimp, the shrimp are pretty thick in the river and this bull of shad and mullet. So what do you what do you think? 00:21:15 Speaker 1: What do you think caused that slow start? 00:21:19 Speaker 8: I'm not real sure. I know we had a we had a pretty cold winter. We had a big freeze. I don't know if that put a dent into it or if it's just one of those years where that happens. I think it's possibly the freeze, because we did have other areas like out in the Noose River, the bike was a little bit better, so they were a little less impacted. But but here inshore, it's just it was kind of slow. 00:21:38 Speaker 1: But so if someone's out there gonna try to go get into some red fish themselves or anything else, I guess for that matter in that area, what what would you recommend they fish with? 00:21:50 Speaker 8: But if they wanted to fish with artificial baits, it's hard to hard to pass up a top water I'd rather catch one fish on top water than than in on a soft plastic or live bait. Personally, I'm a big fan of the mirror or top water baits, and you could kind of get away with with just two. You have the the top puff and then you have the sheep up, the top puff being a quiet version and then the sheep up being very loud. 00:22:18 Speaker 2: Tony, is there is there any conventional wisdom about what redfish do like before during after a hurricane? Does the fishing improve or does it get worse? What happens? 00:22:28 Speaker 8: The fishing definitely improves before and leading right up right up to it, and even during it. If it's not that that as significant of a storm, I think you're following barometric pressure just like any other animal movements. 00:22:42 Speaker 6: It turns them on, assess them on the feed. 00:22:45 Speaker 8: Now, the post storm, once it goes by, if you have the rise and pressure, it can shut them down. 00:22:52 Speaker 1: But then after it's gone by, been. 00:22:54 Speaker 8: Passed for a couple of days, I've had some really good experiences. 00:22:59 Speaker 2: So what do we think fishing for today? 00:23:00 Speaker 1: Then? 00:23:02 Speaker 8: Well, this morning our trip was for red fish. But uh, for my one minute, I'm gonna try to catch any. 00:23:08 Speaker 2: Fish, okay, and using what to do it? So cutman Hayden, all right, So what what are our possibilities there? When you say catch any fish? 00:23:20 Speaker 8: Uh, pinfish, spot, croaker, possibly red fish. 00:23:27 Speaker 3: This would be the the most likely. 00:23:30 Speaker 1: Have you pre fished this spot? Are you feeling pretty confident? 00:23:33 Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about it. 00:23:34 Speaker 9: I haven't pre fished it. 00:23:35 Speaker 8: We did fish it this morning and there were a lot of pinfish and crokers here. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: Picked up one red fish out of it. 00:23:42 Speaker 2: But okay, Tony, well you're one minute of fishing starts when you make that first cast. All right, he's decked out for the fourth of July. I got a red wine and blue hat on. Just look familiar to you, Yanni? Is this where you went fishing? 00:24:02 Speaker 1: Man? Uh, I'm sure it's not too far. Oh, he's got it cast in. Timers started. 00:24:11 Speaker 2: There's no retrieve happening. Oh, he said to he got it. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: He We are ten seconds in and he is setting the hook on a fish. 00:24:24 Speaker 3: Oh video hitch. 00:24:26 Speaker 1: Oh he's actually taking drag. 00:24:30 Speaker 2: Maybe that's just for the drama. Does he have to land it in it within a minute as long as you hook up. He took quite the same for the next ten minutes. You'll just sit here and watch him. 00:24:37 Speaker 3: All right. 00:24:38 Speaker 2: I don't see a net appearing. He's gonna swing it into the boat. 00:24:42 Speaker 1: Come on? Oh what did he get? 00:24:44 Speaker 10: Oh? 00:24:45 Speaker 1: What is that? 00:24:46 Speaker 3: Of course it. 00:24:50 Speaker 1: Was the oysters. 00:24:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought he had a fish and it was uh, this is stand about ten seconds up. 00:25:00 Speaker 1: Here, Come on, Tony, ten seconds let's go. Oh, you just gotta hook him. 00:25:07 Speaker 2: All right, Tony, tell us, tell us what happened there. We we couldn't see it very well. What what did you reel in? 00:25:12 Speaker 7: Well? 00:25:13 Speaker 8: I reiled in an oyster, I cast out and got the pinfish were all over it as soon as it hit the water, and we're pecking away at it, and I set the hook and it it. 00:25:22 Speaker 1: Jerked back, but it ended up not being a Damn. 00:25:27 Speaker 2: At what point did you know those were oysters on there when you saw him? 00:25:31 Speaker 8: No, whenever I felt the rod, there was just a heavy, slow pull back. 00:25:37 Speaker 2: Damn. One minute fishing again, there was even some drag being taken. We thought we had a big fishing. 00:25:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, those oysters. 00:25:48 Speaker 8: Will get in the getting the current with the tide and they'll pull back. 00:25:54 Speaker 1: All right, Well, Tony, tell us if if someone wants to get out on a charter with you, if they're in that Beaufort, North Carolina area, how do they find you? 00:26:04 Speaker 8: They can find me on Facebook at Fenn Chaser's USA, Instagram at finn Chasers USA, and I have a website It's www dot FANCHASERSUSA dot com and they can reach out to me on my phone. 00:26:16 Speaker 3: Two eight seven. 00:26:19 Speaker 1: All right, you got any openings uh coming coming up in the next couple of weeks? I'm going I'm guessing you're pretty booked. 00:26:25 Speaker 8: I am pretty booked the next couple of weeks, but there's some opening sprinkled in all right. 00:26:30 Speaker 3: Cool? 00:26:30 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for participating, Thanks for the fish and report, Tony. Thanks Tony, thanks for having me. 00:26:36 Speaker 2: I saw some folks in the chant asking if anyone has ever been successful. The answer is yes, Yanni was successful. 00:26:43 Speaker 6: He was also chobving pretty hard. 00:26:44 Speaker 2: Oh that's okay, we'll take it for the good conservation. Pat Dirkin success in Idaho, we had Chester was successful ice fishing in Wisconsin. So it has happened. 00:26:56 Speaker 5: We've got a lot of people in the chat saying that that should get Yeah, says there's there's nothing in the rule book that says it needs to be pelagic. 00:27:02 Speaker 6: Shellfish has fish in the name. 00:27:05 Speaker 2: I don't know meat either hasn't made a donation for this in a while, so we could probably make that happen. 00:27:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, votes for your votes for Tony the host. 00:27:15 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, let's do it. U five hundred dollars. 00:27:19 Speaker 1: But does anybody remember what he told me? Now? 00:27:21 Speaker 3: It was it was. 00:27:22 Speaker 2: The Coastal Conservation Association fishing with kids. It was catching for kids, catching for kids, catching for kids. 00:27:29 Speaker 5: Okay, we'll have to let him know because he's gone. 00:27:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, five hundred, Tony. You the chat room says you should win, So we're gonna give it to. 00:27:37 Speaker 2: Your It was a live animal that has the word fish. 00:27:42 Speaker 5: The only person that's against it right now is Corey Culkins. 00:27:44 Speaker 6: I you know, get out of here, Corey. 00:27:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on the end of the hook on his fishing rod. Five hundred dollars for the shellfish catch, going to who. 00:27:57 Speaker 3: Yanni Catching for Kids. 00:27:59 Speaker 1: And it looks like they are out of that same area of Beaufort, North Carolina and the Crystal Coast there, and yeah, you can help him out. It looks like they take donations, purchase rod's reels, tackle, they give out like they do like adopt a family for Christmas and give out that kind of stuff. 00:28:21 Speaker 2: On that note, some kid would have been very excited to catch that hunk of clams. Oh yeah, because it wasn't just one. 00:28:28 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:28:28 Speaker 1: It says right here their goal children spending quality time outdoors, enjoying fishing and all the water has to offer. I can't say no to that. 00:28:37 Speaker 2: That's right, meat eater, can't take it back now. 00:28:40 Speaker 5: Five hundred dollars, Corey says. Chat GPT says a shellfish is not a fish. That's more of a reason to stay away from chat Ep. 00:28:46 Speaker 2: That's right. 00:28:47 Speaker 3: I wonder where Cory is right now, Probably a river. 00:28:50 Speaker 5: He's just jealous that he's after his embarrassing look on the pond in the back. 00:28:54 Speaker 6: These last few weeks. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: What else we got Phil for listener feedback? 00:29:02 Speaker 6: It's some feedback here. Let's do it. 00:29:05 Speaker 5: Titus asks, here's a question for the crew. Which is harder finding a matching set of shed antlers, an antler deadhead, or shooting a buck? 00:29:13 Speaker 2: If I were to rank those things, shooting a buck easiest, finding an antler deadhead, second easiest finding a matching set of shed antlers third agreed. 00:29:26 Speaker 3: I agree with you. 00:29:28 Speaker 2: I've found many of dead heads that have both antlers, but as far as matching sets go, I have three. I think I've never found them. Is your Is your Wisconsin property good for shed? Honey? Some properties are are set up real well. 00:29:45 Speaker 1: In other way they're not. I'm this is This would be a nice segue if we were going right to this. But the my oak Savannah supposedly they love dropping their antlers in that tall in that tall grass, so maybe it'll be come that way. I think that we've I found one shed this year when I was there turkey hunting. I would overall say no. Although my dad did find a matching set, it took him over the course of a whole year to find the other side, but he did find both sides, and that was that big old giant that you know, just the antlers themselves, no spread. 00:30:23 Speaker 3: Credit was. 00:30:25 Speaker 1: Like almost one eighty wow, yeah without spread? 00:30:31 Speaker 2: Yeah you got to show me these antlers. 00:30:34 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have they're in at my dad's house, but I can have some pictures. 00:30:38 Speaker 3: I can show you. 00:30:39 Speaker 2: One eighty without spread. So if he had an eighteen inch spread, he's almost a two hundred inch year. 00:30:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a giant. He was. We haven't seen him now for a couple three years. 00:30:49 Speaker 2: Who measured this year? You? 00:30:51 Speaker 3: I did? 00:30:52 Speaker 2: Wow? One eight? How have you not shown me these things? 00:30:57 Speaker 3: I figured I have. 00:30:58 Speaker 1: I've shown all my whitesel fanatic friends not at all, but I guess not you. 00:31:03 Speaker 2: What's what's he got going on? How many points? 00:31:05 Speaker 1: He's actually just a main frame eight? But he's got incredible uh brow times the year that we found the shof. 00:31:12 Speaker 2: Main frame eight going one hundred and eighty inches. 00:31:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean impossible, I mean he's got like you're certain, I mean he's well. Again, it depends on what counts his main frame and what what you'd count as like an inline sticker, but like, yeah, when you look at him, you're like, oh no, he's not a ten point it's just like but he looks incredibly massive because he's like his brow times or is probably almost as long as his longest you know, regular times G two and three. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: But he could have ten inches of stickers and that would still be like an unbelievable four by four. 00:31:46 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm I'm happy to show you his place, multiple pictures of him. 00:31:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I am mildly skeptical. Okay, one hundred eighty inches without spread. Okay, I hope you're accurate. It. I hope it's right. 00:32:02 Speaker 1: I even went through a scoring app with with the with the buck and uh like a an it, and I came up with roughly the same answer. 00:32:14 Speaker 5: Will asks have you guys ever battered and fried trout file atse? He says, everyone tells him he's crazy to do it. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: I have not. 00:32:23 Speaker 1: I have. Uh, they're crazy to think that you can't batter and uh and fry anything out there. I recently heard that, you know, Greece is the great American equalizer. 00:32:36 Speaker 3: I love that saying. 00:32:37 Speaker 1: Who said that? I don't know where I where I picked that up, but uh, yeah, man, I've totally done just straight up deep fried trout nothing wrong with it, you know. Just make sure you do a good job getting your getting the uh the bones out of it, and you'll have a tasty meal. 00:32:55 Speaker 5: Now we move on to Spencer's accessory corners. First, Spencer version two point zero asks Spencer, where can I buy that hat? 00:33:04 Speaker 6: That thing is awesome? 00:33:04 Speaker 2: Oh, the meat Eater store them meadeater dot com. Maybe maybe store dot them medeater dot com. This is one of our new offerings. I think our merch has gotten so strong. 00:33:15 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's improved tenfold the last couple of years. 00:33:19 Speaker 2: This hat is a good example of that. It's got a bison on it. Yanni said, this is what the cool kids wearing now, these hats. 00:33:26 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:33:26 Speaker 1: The little rope on it kind of sits a little bit high. Yeah, I don't really like the way they fit on me. But Laura Mascari, I believe that's how you say her name, was running our merch program these days. She said, it made me look young. So here I am again. 00:33:41 Speaker 2: There you go. I think of our of our improved merch offerings, hat is at the top of the list, and we all three have some of our new hats on today. 00:33:51 Speaker 5: The second question in the Spencer accessory corner comes from Mogor. Yeah, Spencer, my girlfriend says, you've got the coolest notebook sticker she's ever seen. 00:33:58 Speaker 2: Oh wow, she. 00:33:59 Speaker 5: Thinks Teddy was the greatest president of all time. I think you can let Mogor know where people can get. 00:34:04 Speaker 2: That seth Morris. His wife is an artist, Kelsey, and she sells a variety of stickers and prints on her website. I'm not certain what that is, but that sticker is one of Kelsey's stickers. I think we even sell them in our brick and mortar Meat Eater store in Bozeman. So if you type in I think it's. 00:34:24 Speaker 3: Like I've seen him there, Kay Ray Art. 00:34:28 Speaker 2: Something like that. That is where you could get that sticker. 00:34:34 Speaker 6: Let's see. 00:34:35 Speaker 5: Now, we don't have Meat Eater menu on the on the docket today, but Freddie Rick and the Mons asks just what you guys have been cooking wild game dishes? 00:34:43 Speaker 6: You've been cooking? 00:34:44 Speaker 9: Oh? 00:34:44 Speaker 3: I got a hot answer for you. 00:34:46 Speaker 1: Recently did a my first ever Beria dish and I just used a bunch of like neck shanks and lots of lots of learn from this, you know, Renelle and I always go back and forth, because he still likes to grind, like the stuff that has all the sin you meet in it. And I just think that's crazy because then you have to eat a burger and you got to pick stuff out of your teeth, and that stuff doesn't do you get any good in the burger. But where it does do you so much good is in a dish like beria, which basically it's very simple. I use the New York Times cooking app. I think we have a version of it on the meat eater. But I just chunked up the neck and these shanks into I don't know, two to three inch pieces. Did it very quick, brine in just water with a half cup of vinegar and some salt. 00:35:38 Speaker 3: That's it. 00:35:38 Speaker 1: You do that for thirty minutes, and it's amazing how much that actually changes sort of the feel and texture of the meat. Then put it into a slow braising pot like Dutch oven style, cover it with cold water and again a little bit of salts. 00:35:53 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any spices yet. 00:35:55 Speaker 1: You let that roll for like two hours until it starts to cook down. As that's going you rehydrate some chili peppers. I forget exactly what kind but not too spicy coheo maybe or something like that. Once they're rehydrated, you take them and a cup of the water you used to rehydrate, put them in your blender, buzz it up until you just get this like saucy pasty thing. Dump that into the brazing liquid and basically just let it cook until it's shredable, and then you serve it. You actually take the meat out of the broth, well it's still warm, season it, salt and pepper, and then corn tortillas, lots of white onion cilantro. That's the basic. You can just leave it as is, but then I also did some pineapple chunks on there. We had some of that cotilla cheese, and then you make your taco, and the reci be said to actually eat the taco and then chase it with the broth. 00:36:54 Speaker 3: But what we started. 00:36:55 Speaker 1: Doing is actually doing like almost a French French dip style, yeah, and taking that taco and dunking it in that cup and absolutely delicious. My wife mind made a pot last week and I think we've had that for dinner four out of the last five nights. 00:37:09 Speaker 2: No kids around though, to review it. No kids around, are you cooking differently now that your girls are off at camp for a little while. Oh oh, tell me what's different? 00:37:18 Speaker 1: Well, just that that we just we ate the same dinner four out of five nights. 00:37:22 Speaker 2: Girls would not They wouldn't let that fly. 00:37:24 Speaker 3: You know what, I don't know, because I don't think we've ever tried them. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: But I just feel compelled to cook them different foods and do like different dinners every night. I mean, I don't know. I usually make enough to have a leftover a few nights later, but never like four out of five, like I'm rolling with right now. But it's just very simple. We're not like sitting a lot of times. We're just sitting there in the kitchen is standing and eating so that we can just like clean up real fast and get back to whatever we're doing. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: I made elksteaks last night. I love summer grilling weather, so we had those on the camp chef with some tatoes and asparagus. 00:38:01 Speaker 4: What cut did you make those out of? 00:38:03 Speaker 2: That was? I don't remember what it was. I don't recall now. I pulled it out of the freezer like a week ago and then instantly put them into a ziploc bag. So I don't even recall. 00:38:15 Speaker 3: Was it like a whole muscle and you cut it up into steak? 00:38:17 Speaker 2: No, these were already steaked by our friend Anna Borgman. I don't know if Anna did this specifically for me, because she knows my family size is just me and my wife. But I got very petite sized portions of steaks and roasts, and I really appreciated that. Maybe she does that for everyone, but I imagine if you're like a family of five and she knows that that you'd get, you know, six steaks in one of your packages instead of mine. Came to at a time. I really liked that. I felt like I was getting some boutique butchery by Anna there, which you are, Yes, that's right. 00:38:56 Speaker 3: How is that bully eating overall? Oh? 00:38:59 Speaker 6: Very good? 00:38:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got no no issues with it. My favorite thing what makes me more motivated to kill more elk are just the sizes of the roast. I'm so used to working with deer that you know, are one hundred and sixty pounds or whatever, and I'm just like, very familiar with all the steaks and roasts that you get from that. But the size of the steaks and the ROAs off and Elk. It's very different, very fun to work with. I like that. 00:39:28 Speaker 5: All right, we'll do one more question then we'll move along here. Ohn x eighty two says Phil Horder. Alliance. The answer is Alliance. Shout out to my night elf Druid and my human warrior Crentist. 00:39:39 Speaker 6: I missed you guys. All right, that's it. 00:39:42 Speaker 2: And then to circle back to the sticker, it is kay Artworks dot com. That's k r a e Artworks dot Com and she has that sticker there. 00:39:52 Speaker 3: Thanks for that, Spencer. 00:39:54 Speaker 1: All right, our next segment is fake news Shop. 00:40:00 Speaker 2: He talk gay balloon about better shot Thangondes. 00:40:05 Speaker 1: So where is that? So this opportunity comes weeks. 00:40:10 Speaker 3: You can do anything you set your minds to. 00:40:12 Speaker 4: You guys, does the general public know that it is you that is singing those songs? 00:40:18 Speaker 6: I believe. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: So now we actually got Eminem to do that, right, he's such a big fan, being from Michigan and all he said, I could do this. 00:40:28 Speaker 6: That's where the entire podcast budget went to this year. 00:40:31 Speaker 2: All right. Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three impostors. Your job is to figure out which one is true. So grab your white board, Yanni, grab your whiteboard, Chili, don't be cheating looking at my just headlines, Just headlines. The first headline. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first blank farm. Is it octopus, panda, mosquito or crocodile? Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first panda farm. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first mosquito farm. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first crocodile farm. One of those is real, the other three are fake. Chili very quick to answer. It's almost as though you know it. You know it, Chili. No, the first time I'm seeing this question. 00:41:32 Speaker 3: I didn't catch this in the news either, but I. 00:41:37 Speaker 2: Have a good train of thought as to why I think this is right. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first blank farm. Octopus, panda, mosquito, crocodile. I'm ready, boy, it's ready. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Giannis saying mosquito farm, we have Chili saying octopus farm. One of you is right. The correct answer is octopus. Why scientists are horrified by the world's first octopus farm. That headline was from veg Out on July second, twenty twenty five. The Spanish seafood giant Neueva Pescanova is currently working on the world's first commercial octopus farm. Animal activists are flatly against the operation, especially since the octopi are killed by getting dumped into tanks of ice water, where they slowly freeze to death. This has captured the attention of American lawmakers, who are working on legislation that would ban commercial octopus farming in the United States. Senators from Rhode Island and Alaska are drafting the bill, saying, quote, science has shown that octopuses are sentient, emotionally complex animals, and the conditions required to farm them are inherently cruel and incompatible with their basic needs. Have you ever eaten octopus? Yani? Oh yeah, I'm not what we were geted at. 00:42:56 Speaker 3: You have not. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: I've just never had the opportunity. I haven't turned down. 00:43:01 Speaker 1: I mean you could order it anytime you go to a sushiet joint. Usually it really yeah. 00:43:07 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, what how have you eaten your octopus? You like it? 00:43:11 Speaker 1: Well? 00:43:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. Yeah, I've had that. 00:43:13 Speaker 1: I've had it at a Shoese sushie joints, probably a couple of different ways, but uh, I think in the end it's probably always cooked somewhat similarly where you know it's it can be tough and so it has to have sort of the tenderness beaten into it. But I think it's usually served cold. You know, when you do it over like nageey, you know, over rice. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: You know you're eating octopus when you're served octopus. 00:43:40 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, looks and it's still like octopus. Yeah, chili. 00:43:43 Speaker 2: Do you have an octopus review? 00:43:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, there is a documentary out there called My Octopus Teacher, and it's on Netflix. And that's kind of like where like as soon as the question popped up, that's where my head was, and there's a lot of good information about it, Like octopus are a lot more, I mean, there's much more to them. 00:44:00 Speaker 2: And have you eaten it? 00:44:01 Speaker 6: Though? 00:44:01 Speaker 3: Have I eaten it? 00:44:02 Speaker 9: Oh? 00:44:03 Speaker 2: Oh, that's what we're talking about. 00:44:04 Speaker 6: Okay. 00:44:04 Speaker 2: No, I'm fine with farm and all sorts of stuff that makes it to our dinner plate. But you know what, I'd maybe side with the animal activists here that octopi. We could just leave alone, let them do their own thing. What do you think of that? 00:44:22 Speaker 3: That's fine? 00:44:23 Speaker 1: But I would ask you then, is it still okay to then just you know, drag them up out of the depths or grab them out of their little hole. 00:44:29 Speaker 2: And I'm not passionate about this. I haven't thought a lot about it. I would say, as of now. You can ask me tomorrow against octopi farming for harvesting octopus in the wild, though that's my stance, official stance as of today. 00:44:45 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can get down with that. I'd have to read into it a little bit more. 00:44:49 Speaker 2: But Phil, you love eating octopus? 00:44:51 Speaker 5: I think I swear I have, but I can't remember when or where. So this is a I shouldn't have even said anything. 00:44:56 Speaker 2: Yanni was making me feel bad for me never having it in Alaska. 00:45:00 Speaker 1: Smoke it often and then preserve it. Is how I've had it a lot too. It's delicious, all. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Right, headline too. It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban blank is it glass, horses, skateboards or cash. It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban glass. It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban horses. It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban skateboards. Or it's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban cash. 00:45:43 Speaker 5: Our part producer Jake just popped into our private chat here and said he's eating live octopus. 00:45:47 Speaker 1: Who I don't know how that works. 00:45:49 Speaker 2: They must have been small, right. 00:45:52 Speaker 6: Let us know, Jake. We'll update the audience. 00:45:55 Speaker 7: WHOA. 00:45:56 Speaker 2: Our players are slower to answer this time. Chile got that first question right. 00:46:00 Speaker 9: I did not have an answer. 00:46:02 Speaker 2: It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban Is it glass, horses, skateboards or cash? 00:46:12 Speaker 3: I see I could four yea correct? 00:46:14 Speaker 4: Okayel like the beginning of this question, it's the end of an era. So it has to be something that okay, has been around for a long time. 00:46:25 Speaker 3: All four of those things have been around for a while. 00:46:27 Speaker 4: Well, I know they've been around, but like it's like something that's like it'll be shocking once it goes away. 00:46:31 Speaker 2: Are you boys ready? 00:46:32 Speaker 3: I'm ready go ahead and reveal your answers. 00:46:34 Speaker 2: We have Yannis saying horses and Chili saying horses, you're both wrong. 00:46:41 Speaker 1: No guest cash, skateboards. 00:46:45 Speaker 2: Cash is correct. It's the end of an era. The US National Parks prepared to ban cash. This headline was from the Travel on July second, twenty twenty five. The National Park Service has been slowly moving toward card only for a few years and plans to be totally cashless soon, and PS says it's been quote an overwhelmingly positive experience for both visitors and employers so far. They claim it reduces transaction time at entrances, creates fewer accounting errors, and lessens the risk of theft. Critics say this will directly impact international visitors who want to avoid overseas card fees, as well as youth who don't have their own bank accounts. Some senators are pushing back on the new policy, questioning how the federal government can legally refuse currency that was created by the federal government. You both seem like cash guys to me. I bet Yanni's got like sixty dollars in cash on him right now? Or Chili Chilly, I bet you got sixty dollars in cash? 00:47:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got ten on me. 00:47:49 Speaker 1: And then I think I've probably got a couple of twenties out in the car. I do like to have a little bit around, but man, it's just becoming like you used to always use that emergency cash, and now I feel like those twenties in the car they maybe have been there for years. My dad's gonna be upset because he's a cash cash Yeah, Like we go through this. 00:48:12 Speaker 2: How many national parks does he go to that? 00:48:14 Speaker 1: Not that much? No, No, but I think just in uh in what am I trying to say? Like the idea of it, right, He's not gonna be into it. We go through this at hunting camp every year. He's the guy that pays for the lodging and then has to collect the money from the rest of the group, and so there's cash. Yeah, And I'm like, dude, if you had Venmo, all the money would already be in your bank account. Instead you have to deal with this and like add and subtract and it's just yeah, you know, lately, I'm a late adopter, I think, but I've really come to embrace and love the Apple wallet. 00:48:53 Speaker 2: Oh no, it is convenient. I think at first it wasn't because not enough places would accept it. But now it's like almost universal. So smooth, so smooth chili. What are you doing with all that cash on you? 00:49:06 Speaker 9: Oh? 00:49:07 Speaker 4: You know, I just I kind of say, like when I go on trips, it's like good to have some cash so you can, like I don't know, spend it on stuff that like souvenirs whatever. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: It's free money at that point, right, Yeah, you're not spending your own money. Yeah, no, for sure. Do you guys still have the change jars? 00:49:23 Speaker 9: Is that a thing still? 00:49:25 Speaker 1: There's one in my house, but it does it's not filling up anymore, stagnant. 00:49:30 Speaker 4: I have one that I always go and do the change exchange thing, walk away with about one hundred bucks go. 00:49:36 Speaker 2: I like to keep some cash in like my tackle box in case something were to happen while I'm fishing where I need help from a fellow angler came in handy one time. I helped out a guy one time and I jumped his pickup for him, and then I kept that twenty in my tackle box until I had to use it. Like four years later, I got stuck into snow dripped ice fishing and someone came and pulled me out out. So it's like the Brotherhood of the traveling twenty dollars bill. At this point, there's only one thing I use cash for anymore. That's it. Headline three. Florida fisherman is charged in shark blank? Is it robbery, meat fraud, stabbing or drug smuggling? Florida fisherman is charged in shark robbery. Florida fisherman is charged in shark meat fraud. Florida fisherman is charged in shark stabbing. Florida fisherman is charged in shark drug smuggling. 00:50:42 Speaker 1: I'm liking this version of it, but when you first explained the game to me, I thought that you were going to have just three completely different headlines. 00:50:51 Speaker 2: Oh okay, and one of them was going. 00:50:54 Speaker 6: To be real. 00:50:55 Speaker 2: No, we're just swapping out or one was going to be the imposter. Florida fisherman is charged in shark Is it robbery, meat fraud, stabbing or drug smuggling? You both got question two wrong, only Chili got question one right. Are you ready? 00:51:11 Speaker 3: I'm ready? 00:51:11 Speaker 2: Go ahead and reveal your answers we have. We have Giannis saying meat fraud and Chili saying stabbing. Correct answer. 00:51:22 Speaker 4: I feel like that stabbing is what a Florida person might do is stabbing? 00:51:27 Speaker 1: Right? 00:51:28 Speaker 4: You got. 00:51:30 Speaker 5: That from the Old Games is stabbing Chili? 00:51:34 Speaker 2: Got two of these right. This headline was from the New York Times on June sixth, twenty twenty five. It's about Zaane Garrett, a charter fisherman who is being charged with animal cruelty. The twenty six year old was shown in a viral video repeatedly stabbing a shark and then cutting the line. The Florida man told authorities that it was revenge for the shark stealing his fish. His business's website, Second Nature Charters, says quote with captain saying at the helm, every fishing excursion becomes an unforgettable journey filled with camaraderie. I don't know what the next word is I wrote down and most importantly, epic catches that will be cherished for a lifetime. This comes just one month after a different Florida fishing guide sorry it was sentenced to thirty days in jail for shooting and poisoning dolphins was Florida man. 00:52:24 Speaker 1: Meat fraud has been in the news lately. One example, specifically, you know seafood meat fraud. 00:52:31 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to try to get a future guest to talk about in South Carolina? Is this what you're referring to. 00:52:36 Speaker 1: I thought that it was West Coast where I had read about it. 00:52:40 Speaker 2: What I'm referring to is in South Carolina. They sort of just did a big sting operation with a DNA tested all the shrimp in these businesses that were saying they're selling locally caught shrimp, and they identified I think it was twenty five places, which is a crapload that the DNA showed those shrimp came from overseas, from like farms and time, because. 00:53:02 Speaker 3: The local shrimp is so much more expensive. 00:53:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that bothered me a lot when I saw that. That would bum me out when I go somewhere and it like elevates the experience thinking I'm eating one thing and then to find out it's just shrimp that came from costco What a bummer. Future episode, We're going to interview somebody about that, that shrimp fraud. Putting it out there right now? 00:53:28 Speaker 3: Do it? All right? 00:53:29 Speaker 2: That's the end of fake news. Chili is a big winner today. 00:53:31 Speaker 1: Good job, Chili, Thank you, thank you. Now knowledge of current events there all right. We saved the best for last. Just kidding second to best because Randall obviously stole the show today. But we're now going to chat with Jacob Hernandez Hernandez, private lands biologists for the US Fish and Wildlife Services Partners for Fish and Life Program, and his colleague Bo Hendrickson, a habitat restoration technician that works for Golden Sands Resource conservation and development. 00:54:10 Speaker 3: Man, it's a mouthful. 00:54:12 Speaker 1: The two of them have been helping me execute the oak savanna project on our land in Wisconsin. Jacob and Bo, welcome to the show. 00:54:21 Speaker 11: Hey, how are you guys doing. 00:54:23 Speaker 1: We're doing great. Not standing outside in a soon to be oak savannah like you guys though, so I'm jealous for sure. 00:54:32 Speaker 11: Yeah. It's a bit warm out today, but otherwise we're doing all right. 00:54:35 Speaker 9: It's nice. 00:54:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a nice day. What is the temp it's been hot there lately. 00:54:41 Speaker 11: Eighty seven? 00:54:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's not too bad at all, unless the humidity is ninety seven then it could be. It could be bad, but it looks like you guys are enjoying. You guys are enjoying the shade of one of my oak trees that are left standing. Huh, you bet smart. Yeah, we are all right, tell me about the program the you two help administer, and then sort of explain how that program is, you know, working the project that you guys are helping my dad and I with. 00:55:14 Speaker 12: Yeah, So, our program is the Partners for Fish and Wildlife program, like Yoanni introduced. We're with the US Fish and Wildlife Service, or specifically I am with that program. And our program was designed or born out of the late eighties under the National Wildlife Refuge System. And our program is designed to help private landowners. So we defined private landowners as anything non state or federal owned, so city county land obviously our biggest bread and butter is private landowners. We can help with this with these restoration projects via cast share and technical assistance. We also have several partners that we work with collaboratively to try to implement those those restoration projects. And I'll let Bo talk a little bit more specifically about the project here that we're working on with you. 00:56:00 Speaker 9: Yeah. So, if my memory jogs me right, Giannus reached out to us. 00:56:04 Speaker 10: So a lot of landowners approach us with these potential projects to invite us out onto the property to do a site visit. So we came out checked out the site before we came out here. We actually did a little bit of homework looking up in the nineteen thirty seven aerial photos that are posted for Wisconsin, so that this specific area that we're working in here was a little bit more open growing, a little bit less tree density, not agriculture, and kind of gave us the signs of an oak savannah remnants or potential for an oak savannah remnant. And so that's pretty much exactly what we're doing out here, trying to restore an oak savannah. This area historically was a mix of you know, brush oaks savannah's prairies back when the indigenous people were here, and so we're just trying to restore the native habitat back to that time to benefit you know, the wildlife species that are out here. 00:56:55 Speaker 1: All right, So take me through the timeline, which I gotta say, people have asked ask me how how like how efficient this process has been, And out of all the work that I've been doing out there, you get your project specifically has been like the most efficient and like we've been moving extremely fast, which has been awesome to see because a lot of this stuff just takes forever. But take me through this sort of the timeline and the different steps and take us up to present day. 00:57:22 Speaker 11: Yeah, well, we appreciate the kudos on that. 00:57:24 Speaker 2: For sure. 00:57:24 Speaker 12: We're a pretty small and nimble program, and so we are pretty flexible and kind of act pretty quickly when the situation presents itself. But like Bo said, Yanni had gotten a hold of us about a year ago. Logging operations were happening. So there was timber being cut hauled off deck to the whole nine yards and we came in and it was the property was covered in in timber slash. So when we had the area identified, the unit identified, you know, we got a hold of Yannis, made sure we had all the objectives correct and everything like that, and then our first step was, okay, if we're gonna seed this thing down to a more herbaceous understory cover kind of like a you know, in a o Savannah, we needed to get some of that timber slash cleaned up. 00:58:02 Speaker 11: So we had a contractor come out. 00:58:04 Speaker 12: We hired him, worked through that process, oversaw those operations. Especially because yanis being an absentee landowner, it's kind of something we can help with. Obviously from a technical standpoint, oversaw that operation, got it everything piled and cleaned up, and then it's kind of a waiting game to see what comes back on that. In that seed bed, we saw a host of species coming back, some good, some less desirable, incredibly nothing, insanely wild. A lot of times when we do that, it could be a flush of buckthorn or multi floor rows, or several other invasive species that we see across the site. 00:58:37 Speaker 11: So it wasn't too bad in that regard. 00:58:39 Speaker 12: At that point, we then said, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna prescribe herbicide application. We have some limitations out here with stumps and the tree stems that still exist, so we're kind of limited on like mechanical treatments and stuff. So herbicide was our best go to tool. I know it's not always the most popular treatment, and we try to work with individual landowners based on those objectives accordingly, but in this scenario, we agreed. 00:59:02 Speaker 11: That herbicide was the right option. 00:59:04 Speaker 12: So we prescribed gleco state and two four D and when used correctly, following all safety, following timing, all that kind of stuff, we can get a good general kill on this what we're seeing today is that that there's a kill out here from a from a spray that was done about two weeks ago or so. There are some misspots, but that happens, not the end of the world. We'll come back and do one more treatment towards the end of the summer and then hopefully that's that's the means to the end there there there will hopefully be no more spraying or if so, be very limited and very targeted. 00:59:35 Speaker 11: And the idea is we're setting our native. 00:59:37 Speaker 12: Species up that we plan to plant this fall or winter for the most success with the least competition as they get going. 00:59:44 Speaker 1: Okay, so my neighbor and I, I was there two weeks ago. My neighbor and I did the spraying on a scale one to ten. How good of a job do we do as as herbicide applicators. 00:59:59 Speaker 9: There's always gonna be misses. 01:00:00 Speaker 10: You know, nobody can get it all in the first rounds. 01:00:04 Speaker 9: I'd probably say, you know, between an eight and nine. 01:00:07 Speaker 10: Hey, just about I'm gonna cross the board though. That's what you get with especially with these stumps. A little bit of uneven topography from that logging operation, leaving some ruts and locations kind of made it probably a little bit difficult for you to do, you know, a full complete application here. 01:00:24 Speaker 9: That's why people always. 01:00:25 Speaker 10: Just come back out and you know, reapply. The spots that you missed are really easy to see and so you can just touch those up at a later time. 01:00:32 Speaker 1: Do you guys feel like the touch up can be done with a backpack sprayer or is it gonna take another round of driving around on the ATV. 01:00:42 Speaker 12: It only looked like there was maybe one or two small strips, And honestly, we don't need one hundred percent burned down to the ideas just to reduce competition. So you know, in my opinion, I think the second round of application that we do later in the fall, targeting some of the woody species that are out here, I think that's gonna take care of it. And I think you guys will be set up really good. We'll still have enough seedbed exposed for us to broadcast seed and get good seed to soil contact for the winner to do its work with freestyle actions. So yeah, I mean, there's no need to do more than we need to do, right, So I think one more treatment as planned at the end of the season, and we should be in good shape. 01:01:22 Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, So I think a lot of people, including myself, when I first heard about this program, are sort of wondering like, well, why would the American government spend taxpayer money to be doing this kind of work on private lands. Tell me a little bit, like how does it benefit just like the taxpayer that is probably never going to get to step foot on that lamb. 01:01:46 Speaker 9: Yeah. 01:01:47 Speaker 10: So the program, you know as a cost share program, So we're putting, you know, the American taxpayer's dollar back into habitat, trying to improve habitat. Our programs designed around trust species, federal trust species that are and endangered, declining in population. That's our big focus out here. And so all that you know, the taxpayer dollars that's going you know, back into the ground trying to improve the habitat for local wildlife and also migratory birds, you know, any wildlife I guess in the area. Also, you know, it's really great we try and use local contractors to boost the local economy out here. A lot of the areas that we're working in is rural Wisconsin, and so we try and find ways to boost that local economy, find ways to fit in with the community, sometimes we'll have community fire departments help us out on these properties. So we're trying to find a way to almost you know, kind of get back to these local communities and support financially with them and also collaborate with them such as fire departments and other partners that we use out here. 01:02:48 Speaker 9: So all in all, it all goes back to good habitat just. 01:02:51 Speaker 10: To improve you know, a better climate, resilient habitat out here versus just a bunch of invasives that you know, it's kind of degrading for the wildlife species that we see. 01:03:02 Speaker 12: I think I would just add clean water, healthy soil, local healthy ecosystems, as you mentioned, carbon sequestration, right, all of those really great things that occur with healthy, healthy ecosystems. That's what the American public has benefit on with with the help here. 01:03:16 Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, obviously I'm way interested in the what the habitat is going to do for deer and turkey, But tell me from your viewpoint, like what other what sort of special species are you guys hoping to help out with this and possibly like us, being able to get to see in the coming years from this work that we're doing. 01:03:37 Speaker 10: Yeah, So like I mentioned earlier, kind of designed around those threatening federal federally endangered species out here. We're actually in a high potential range for the federally endangered carner blue butterfly, also the rusty patch bumblebee. So you know, might not be number one hitters that people think of, you know, but they're very important to us in our program, and so we're hoping to see some of those. We've already seen some monarchs out here using the property when we're about doing sight assessments and monitoring to kind of check in on the project. Outside of that, you know, migratory birds are gonna hopefully be using this redheaded woodpeckers, a species of concern for us. We're hoping to see a couple of those out here. We leave dead standing snags to kind of provide that wildlife habitat for them. So across the board, we're trying to hit a whole spectrum, whether it's the pollinators, the birds, the deer, the turkey. All in all, our program is driven towards those threatening and endangered species, but we recognize and understand that a lot of these projects that we do are going to benefit that local wildlife such as the deer, the turkey, bear, grouse, you name it. 01:04:43 Speaker 9: It's just kind of a whole umbrella restoration here. 01:04:46 Speaker 10: We're kind of just directing it towards one thing, but understand and know that those other species are definitely gonna be being benefiting from it. 01:04:54 Speaker 2: What kind of upkeep is going to be involved for Giannis? Is this a place that he's going to need to mess with next year and five years from now and ten years from now. 01:05:04 Speaker 12: Yeah, habitat restoration is definitely not something that happens overnight. I mean, we've we've let these ecosystems slide into invasive species, peril and and unchecked systems for hundreds of years. So it's definitely not something that happens overnight. 01:05:18 Speaker 1: Uh. 01:05:19 Speaker 11: Yeah. 01:05:19 Speaker 12: Future management will likely include prescribed fire. That's not an option for everybody always, so there are other alternatives, sometimes mowing, spot mowing, some stuff like that to try to keep things, keep things in check, but prescribe fire is going to be a big one. Spot spraying might be required depending on how the system responds, but the hope is that, honestly, the biggest maintenance tool going forward on the you know, three to six year return fire return interval would be would be prescribed fire. Part of what we did with this project was and Yannis, to his credit, was very adamant that we made sure that we accounted for, you know, some of the trail systems being considered as as burned breaks, so which is a huge thing. So that'll help with implementation of that prescribe fire. 01:06:05 Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'll add to that. The prescribed fire. It's a great tool because that kind of helps reduce that need for herbicide out here, you know, in terms of long term, so you know, that's going to cut down on your woody invasives that might be coming in. It's going to help rejuvenate that prairie or the oak savanna, kind of clean up the thatch a little bit. As you know obviously we have snow here in Wisconsin. Things lay down, gets madded down over time, kind of makes it harder over a long term for those seats to kind of work their way into the soil and keep expressing themselves within the prairie, which then kind of turns away from the wildlife benefit that we're trying to provide out here. So all in all, it does you know a number I guess of wonders for us out here. And that's why, Jacob, you know, we're kind of hitting on it so hard, just because it really helps reduce that herbicide use, rejuvenates it and just you know, keeps the habitat what it is. 01:06:59 Speaker 3: Awesome. 01:06:59 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, You appreciate you guys taking the time. I'll look forward to reading the report today and hearing the follow up later. But thank you again. And oh, I guess if anyone's interested in doing this on their own property or just wanting to find out more about this program, how do they do that? 01:07:21 Speaker 9: Yeah? 01:07:21 Speaker 12: I would suggest people just google the US Fish and Wildlife Service Partners for Fish and Wildlife program. You'll find the state that you're located in, and typically there's a content point of contacts. Typically it's our state coordinators or someone acting in that role, and they'll get you in touch with the local biologists that would service you know, your counties or your area. When you do touch base with them, obviously contact information, property description, kind of your habitat objectives. That kind of stuff helps streamline some of that communication and keep us moving at. 01:07:52 Speaker 11: A pretty quick pace. 01:07:53 Speaker 12: Alternatively, your your local conservation departments, your nonprofits, natural Resource Conservation Service, Farm Service Agency. All those folks are collaborators that would know about us and can refer us to. But word of mouth is how we is how we spread our names. So yeah, hopefully, hopefully we get some calls. 01:08:13 Speaker 1: All right, I love it, man, This gets me fired up. Thanks Jake, Thanks Paul. We'll talk to you guys soon. 01:08:19 Speaker 9: Yeah, take care, guys. 01:08:21 Speaker 1: All right, that gets me super excited just because I'm like, I'm into it. I'm in the rabbit hole and they just sort of like they just mix me up in the mud down there and get me all fired up. Does that at all interest you, guys? Like that's hearing about doing that kind of work. 01:08:37 Speaker 2: The the prospects of me owning a property are so distant that it interests me less because I'm jealous of you that you get to make those decisions and participate in those things. 01:08:51 Speaker 1: All right, Well you're invited though, so you might get the opportunity to go hunt that oak savannas. 01:08:55 Speaker 2: Okay, I like that Makila do there? Yeah? See all them them pretty endangered butterflies. 01:09:01 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's my like. Would be the best thing ever is if I could be there one summer and show my girls the monarch butterfly, and so because I don't know if they've actually seen one yet. And I think there's gonna be a lot of a lot of kids. Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of kids that are in that age right now, you know whatever, fifteen and under that will maybe never see a monarch. 01:09:22 Speaker 3: Butterfly in their lives. That sounds insane, right, doesn't it. It's a terrible thing to think about. 01:09:27 Speaker 1: So that's why I'm pumped on this is maybe we'll just give them a little bit longer shot a keep sticking around. 01:09:33 Speaker 2: I liked your question about why the government would like spend money or like, you know, take a haircut on helping out a private landowner like you. It's like not a new concept at all. Where Chile and I grew up in the Great Plains, there was the Great Shelter Belt Project, which restored all kinds of habitat and created all sorts of new habitat CRP. That's one of the biggest programs in the Great Plains. And wildlife don't know borders, they don't care if it's public or private. It benefits everybody. 01:10:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, especially you know, and you can read this on their website. Right east of the Mississippi, it's like eighty percent of the land is private. So if you don't have people doing this kind of stuff on that amount of land, those little public vestiges just they can't do it on their own, right, It's got to be a bigger ecosystem. All right, Phil, let's wrap it up with a few more questions. 01:10:30 Speaker 5: Or I don't know if you have an answer to this, or if this even would have been a good question for Jacob or Bow. But Kevin Morse asks, how do you stop deer from eating the good tree tops after logging, leaving nothing but less desirable underbrush. We're having that issue on our lodge property. 01:10:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kevin's asking when he says the good tree tops meaning like probably new growth of young, desirable trees as they want to keep. Yeah, we haven't had that problem yet because we're going to such a flush of the desirable trees that there's enough and our deer population is low enough that they're not hammering them. I mean, they do nibble on them, but in places like that where you have to go to more extreme measures. I've been reading up on it. Ah, it's a lot. You can you can basically cage them out. You can, there's people have done fencing literally. There's also a thing that after you've done the logging, you can use the logging slash slash itself to build basically a perimeter around certain zones and those will keep the deer out. But again, it takes time and money and effort to you know, build these, you know, literally, you know, ten foot tall, ten foot wide walls of slash to keep deer out of zones like that. Yeah, that's that's kind of what I've seen so far. I know that it's a I guess you can shoot deer that that's a good way to do it is shoot a lot of dose to you know, limit your deer population a little bit. But I know that there's certain, definitely certain places in the United States where it's a big issue is to kind of keep the deer back from eating all the good trees. 01:12:14 Speaker 2: Cool. 01:12:16 Speaker 5: Let's see here, if Andrew is asking Spencer, how was the trip to Isle Royale. I think you might have covered this a little on trivia possibly, I don't remember, But have you talked about this at all? 01:12:27 Speaker 2: I don't think I have. I loved it, Andrew it was. It was super cool. It's a part of the world I'm very interested in, specifically because of the world's longest predator prey study that's been taking place there for the last seventy five years. If you're not familiar, there are wolves on the island and there are moose on the island, and it's one of the best ways that biologists can study how those two animals interact. And so to get to be in that place in the middle of Lake Superior, it was a lot of fun. Got to spend four hours out there, and it's referred to as an island, but it's so big that the island has enormous lakes on them that have enormous islands that have lakes on them, so when you're there, it doesn't register that you're on an island. It's forty five miles long and I think like five miles wide. So it's a cool spot. If you live in that part of the country, you should go check it out. And it's not necessarily easy to get to. I booked my ferry tickets in January for a trip in June, and I think come February they were sold out. So start planning ahead. 01:13:35 Speaker 1: Oh wow, if that's something that you sold out for the entire summer. 01:13:38 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a short window. They only run those ferries for like three months or something, a couple times a day, So start planning that now if you ever want to go there. 01:13:49 Speaker 5: Cool, Johanni, I think we've gotten some spring hunting stories from you. But Chili or Spencer Canadian hunter asks how was how were the guys spring bear and or turkey seasons? 01:14:03 Speaker 4: Mine was non existent, at least for back here in Montana because I took that New Zealand trip on a tar down there, which would have been the beginning of the spring season up here. So for the first two and a half weeks I was out and then got back into work and then took a trip to Alaska for a production shoot with Steve and the crew, so I didn't I got zero days for bear and I had one day for turkey. 01:14:31 Speaker 2: I bear hunted four days, did not kill one. Turkey hunted zero days. My spring was really focused on planting some stuff in my yard this year. 01:14:41 Speaker 6: You're not a big turkey guy, are you, Spencer? 01:14:43 Speaker 2: I'm not. No. I travel enough hunting in the fall that when spring comes around I'm interested in fish and rocks, so I looked for a lot of fish and rocks this spring instead. 01:14:54 Speaker 5: Cool last call for questions. We're gonna take a couple more if you get them in here. But Noah asks Spencer, will you ever take the opportunity to bowhunt whitetail instead of using a rifle? 01:15:04 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:15:04 Speaker 2: I used to bowhunt a lot. I bow hunted last season. I bow hunted the season before that. I didn't at kill anything either time. I got away from bow hunting when I moved to Montana, and I didn't have like a property that's set up really well to do that. To be successful bow hunting deer, you wouldither like need a place that you're very familiar with, like Giannis has in Wisconsin, or you're just like a really badass traveling bowhunter who is willing to commit ten days to going somewhere and setting up stands or doing hanging hunts. Right now, I value just like traveling to different places in hunting, and so I could do two rifle deer hunts in that ten days in the same amount of time I could do one white tail bowhunt. You're also then doing a lot more sk outing in the summer, the pendulum will swing back the other way someday. I'm not there right now. Right now, I just really love traveling to New States and rifle hunting white tails. 01:16:11 Speaker 1: He's also going to be so successful that he's going to end up having his own white tail property that he's going to manage turned into a big old oak savanna, and then he'll be bowhunt a bunch. 01:16:21 Speaker 2: I used to live, you know, ten miles from where I would bowhunt a lot, and I would bowhunt thirty five days a year. My biggest dear ever killed us with the bow. I think my third biggest dear ever killed us with the bow. It'll happen again someday. 01:16:36 Speaker 6: Cool. 01:16:37 Speaker 5: Uh, I think we're out of questions here. But let's see. Someone had a question for me that I was going to make a joke about. But it's not worth it. Oh yeah, hotlines Tribe ask Phil with editing software for video, do you recommend to get into making contact content? Please and thank you. I am not the guy to ask this question. I've been doing audio since right out of college, and so everything that I learned in college around video editing and software, I mean, I'm completely out of touch on everything's moved on, and I haven't really done any video editing for twelve years, so honestly, you tell me, please, I'd love. 01:17:12 Speaker 2: To know chat, GPT chat exactly. 01:17:15 Speaker 3: Just generative AI. 01:17:16 Speaker 6: I'm a huge proponent of that. 01:17:22 Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for tuning in and listening to USA Banter Along. Tune in again next week when there's gonna be Mark Kenyon, Ryan Callahan and Spencer Newhart in the host chair. 01:17:34 Speaker 3: Is that right? 01:17:34 Speaker 1: That's right, fourth of July everyone, that's right for Yeah, I have a great time celebrating, and stay safe, be smart out there this weekend, and we'll catch you next week. 01:17:45 Speaker 2: Bye now,