00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. Listening past, you can't predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For every hunt, First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer. Kevin Murphy tells what's in the oven? Man, Man, what we got is rabbit hot wings and squirrel hot wings. Well not just that. Three ways, three six ways, sorry, six ways. Six different sauces, starns barbecue sauce, a medium wing sauce, a hot wing sauce. Guy's favorite. What is it? Guy? You be? I don't know what a good man? It wasn't nothing but like a spider, it's a bottom and I almost had to add some water to it to give it make it flow out of there. So it must be the house specialty here. And then I wanted to put the ghost pepper on, and Steve started talking about a story and I wandered off, and he like, give'd be the death glare to get back on. But yeah, it's you know, people like different things different, something like it hot, something like it mild. And we did a prep that just and we we knocked it out and what like ten minutes. Yeah, you two guys, y'all like a production butcher shop cutting the squirrels up. The rabbit's up. We saved the tenderloins out of the rabbit. For we're gonna fry some make some rabbit tinders. That man, any kid, if they didn't like rabbit tenders, they just ain't a kid, because it's the next thing to a chicken nugget that you would get, you know, at a restaur of whatever, but much better, much better. For I'm gonna go, we're gonna bread it up, and we're gonna Friday and seven jard lard, which I have never seen before, but I guess at Michigan that's what they man. Well, you see, here's the deal. Man, I don't know enough about this to tell you all about this, but there's a thing I wish Jesse Griffiths was here. When you get I used to think that large like, man, I got so many balls in the air right now, Okay, If I was making goose con fee long ago, and I didn't want to and I didn't want to save enough fat from geese to get enough fat to cook them in. And I didn't want to buy some little four ounce tub of duck fat for three million dollars. I would go down and buy the shelf. Stable man, techa man, take it. Whatever the hell that company is lard, the square block of lard on a shelf, wrapped in wax paper and cardboard. You follow me. We've got it back home, not that brand. We have a there's white, there's like snow white. Mgee, I thinks what we have back home anyway? Block a lard on the gross store shelf. Yes, okay, I don't fully know this, why it isn't. I wish Jesse Griffiths was here. He doesn't like that stuff because there's something done to that that's not done to the jarred, sealed or refrigerated lard. He and he's not like a fussy he's not a fussy man. He doesn't have all these rules about things he doesn't understand, you know, like rules for no reason, big good name of a book, rules for no reason. So he doesn't have a bunch of rules that you ask him a bunch of questions about. It winds up being he doesn't know what he's talking about. I just trust him. Generally, and he doesn't like that kind of lard. He likes the stuff like in a in a jar, the refrigerated or sealed lard. And it has something to do with some treatment they do it. It makes that you can put it on your shelf for eighteen years, not sealed, and nothing bad happens to it. He likes unstabilized. Lord, now you talking, I've got a question. So lard is from swine from a pig. It's rendered fat from a pig, though right from generally they use it because it's tallow as beef and lard as pork. But I don't know how etched and stolen that is? Gotch and grease is bear um, you know the pioneers, they would make you. Have you ever eaten a crackling? Yes, okay, pork like pork skin right, No, you'd be bear cracklings kind of yeah. They would render the lard and out of the cracklings, they would cut them up in little chunks and if you really got one special, have a little bit of meat left on it. Though. That was like from my my grandparents on my mother's side, they would have a big hulk killing. You know, I told you about the hull killing pole that had like eight coons hanging from it. That my cousin Tim, he's got the picture of that. Gotta get him. I gotta get a copy of that thing. But I can remember as a kid, they would be rendering lard out there from cracklings. They have like a press two two boards together. Uh, they wrap it in cheesecloth, get the get the cracklings, and then they would squeeze it and squeeze all the lard out and and jarred up or whatever. I don't know what my grandma did there. And then they would use the cracklings to make crackling corn bread. Um. Some people would feed them to their dogs, but they would get two products. You know, nothing was wasted from the hog, but the squeal. Everything else went to use somewhere down the line. Do you know the old term for what you might now call the pantry used to be called a what m hmm? You scratch beard all day long? The larder that's cract deal. Scratch your beard. Actually helped scratches beard. And the minute he did like two strokes, the answer came spitting out of him. The larger Because you can create an anaerobic environment. This is what Confie is. You can when you take meat cooked meats and put him in lard, you create an anaerobic environment, right, the oxygen and oxygen free environment when it's encased and large. So the larder was where you would store non refrigerated foods encased and lard to prevent spoilage, to greatly delay spoilage. So why are people listening to this show man? Because you learn about all this stuff with lard. I learned that just right now, Steve two of us. Um uh yeah, a lot of stuff about larden every other week probably. I love Confie though. M so good. Now, so that's what you're making. And then I want you to answer me this question, Kevin Murphy, you said something then yesterday those very cocky sounding just once Kevin's dog, Kevin's squirrel dog, Shorty super stout, Shorty super style short just prior to it, bite and dirt myth and leg. What you hear about this? No? Yeh, dirt got bit now he thinks he's got rabies. It was just a little nip. It didn't break his skin. Woke him up though really a dog didn't like him anyhow, just prior to him trying to kill dirt. Kevin's dogs track and a squirrel. We actually saw the squirrel, so we saw, we saw, we saw a fox squirrel. No, no, those fox squirrels up a different tree. A black squirrel went that direction, all right, we saw a black squirrel. Okay, black phase. So two fox squirrels went up across the road. A black phase gray squirrel tore off through the woods. I think with gray. There was a black and gray gray. Okay, super stout Shorty was on its trail and gets to a little tree, the kind of tree where you know that you're gonna find the squirrel in like a lot of trees. It chased the squirreling the tree, and you're like, you ever gonna find a squirrel in that tree? Full of holes? Huge, you know, But this is just a little tree, small tree with some grape vines and some vegetation, a squirrel tree, you know. But you're like, if he's in there, he's got a problems. Yes, yes, he has no no where to hide, and the dog is going ballistic, and I thought, I don't know what I thought, but then I was like, oh, there's something up in that tree. And the more I looked at it. I said, there's a raccoon of the tree. And at first I was I texted Matt Cook that they were eighteen inches apart, but I was exaggerating, Yes you were. Well, okay, Zucker, how many inches apart were there? And are you seven and a half inches apart? Times take? No, no, times two. Look here, they're closer now. He was spreading his arms apart. That's the only reason I know, because I've seen the footage. They were a lot closer, a lot closer, a lot closer. Yeah, right there, I'm the one that climbed up in there. From Kevin's chest to one arm extended, yeah, from his brisket, the center of his brisket to his Yes, I'll go that. Yeah, but that's twice eighteen. You know what, I'm gonna do this because I'm gonna fill this out there just because I'm gonna get you something. I'm gonna get you some action. I'm not even rubbing. From the center of Kevin's brisket to his empty ring finger, very empty ladies to his ring finger, look past his compass. This is where my rain is right here in this as the Boys in South Africa says, Murphy, What are you doing with those Bengals? So I took my ring, something that my mom gave me, and my senior ring what was left of it, and made something really good out of it, a bangle. You took your wedding ring and all that stuff and melted it down. Yep, I had a friend winging man Raymond's son. Uh yeah, look here's yeah, that's my wedding ring, my high school ring and a piece of family jewelry that that blowed to my mom. So I'm trying to get you some ladies right now, Kevin. Well, I've got a gold Bengal. Oh ladies like that? They look at that shiny? You never tried anything like tender or anything? Have you? Hadn't been on tender yet? No? Yeah, I'm open to anything I hold. Are you real quick? I am twenty one on the inside and worn in thirty sixty four winners on the outside, so average that so twenty four and sixty four, that's eighty eight. So I'm forty four. No, that's good way to look at it. So younger than you. He's ready. Um and then you So this happened, and I was quite I was quite surprised. Because I was feeling that were he not it was a medium boer coon, and I wondered to myself, were he not so caught by surprise of us coming through the woods, would he have made a play on killing the squirrel that undoubtedly didn't know he was there when he ran up that tree. So the coon's already in the tree, just resting for the day, he's napping, he's got his nap, and all of a sudden, the squirrel happens to pick a tree or raccoons in books up the tree, passes the coon by, probably thinks of himself, holy shit, and then plasters himself in the top of the tree right by the raccoon. Would the raccoon have said, I'm gonna catch that squirrel or not? But we were coming, and he the raccoons surely aware of us as well. He's probably like that is well, first of all, that's one really unlucky raccoon just taking a nap, and then all of a sudden, here comes Steve Ranella's crew just right under his tree. Because dogs, yeah, yeah, man, that's an unlike. So we got the raccoon and got the squirrel, and then I said something to the effect of um, bet you've never seen a raccoon and a squirrel in the same tree, or I bet you bet you never got a raccoon and a squirrel out of the same tree before. And then you said the cocky thing where you said that, basically that's happened to you before. I'm sixty four winners, so a lot of things has happened to me before. I have seen it before. I've seen critters that uh. I was in Texarcana swamp rabbit hunting the middle of of um December. We're out there. I've got Polly Puerpreche. She's a little bit on the trashy side. She actually tree a coon in the daytime down there, but he was going like slow slow up the side of a tree. And then we were hunting along. I called her off that we were hunt along and I seen her hit a trail of swamp rabb I think it was a swamp rabbit, don't know that for sure, and she ran it into a hollow log and then the swamp rabbit ran out ramby me. I did one of those like hail Mary shots, pulled the trigger and just watched the swamp rabbit drift on off thinking that I probably missed it. There was some other hunters over there, and then poly pure breds still up there, and the next thing I know, there's an armadilla that shoots out of that hollow log. So I got a swamp rabbit armadilla out there. I know I'm off the track, but I have seen coons and squirrels in the same tree before. Not numerous times, but I have seen that before, not thirty seven and a half inches apart. You're correct, and that's what you want to hear that you're right. So well, is it sae to say, oh, we're gonna move on. I got yeah, we gotta stuff. I got stuff. Come on, Zucker, help me. I'm just I'm burning. I'm burning, so I need Let's talk about single shot twenty twos and shooting rabbits and begging. Can I bring by twenty two. I'm really good with the twenty two. I can kill ship with my twenty two. So let's let's talk about twenty twos and the story of the single shot. And I got other stuff I gotta talk about. Took you guys ready, I'm gonna regale you guys with interesting stuff. Do you hear about this Now. If you go to my Instagram at Stephen Ronella, you're gonna see a pile. You do it right now, Kevin, You're gonna see a If you go back an image or two, two, three, four images back, you're gonna see a photo of a ton of schools. Okay, sort of like floating in space. This is from I'm gonna pull it up myself, pull it up myself. Okay, you're gonna see a picture of a whole bunch of skulls Bison, antiquois, red deer, and rhinoceros skulls. This is from a paper that just came out. You're gonna find this is gonna this is gonna interest the dickens out of you. Okay, I heard you talking about this. No you didn't. I heard you talked about this. Somebody. Maybe I read the post. I think I read the post from a paper titled a symbolic Neanderthal accumulation of large herbivore crania. I translate that on Instagram into a Neanderthal cave stacked with a big ass collection of European mounts. This is from Spain. A cave complex in Spain where Neanderthal hunters This is my words, my synopsis of this thing from Okay, the journal is Nature Human Behavior, so you know, like the journal Nature, Nature Human Behavior Journal. The article again a symbolic Neanderthal accumulation of large herbivore crania my words, researchers unearthed defined in a cave complex in Spain where Neanderthal hunters stashed the skulls of large bison, deer, and rhinoceros, all with large appendages, which is science speak for big old horns and antlers. Here's what's here's the crazy thing about it. No lower jaws in the stack. Okay, it represents many many animals. No lower jaws in the stack, no other bones at all in the stash in this particular cave, and all the things had exemplary horns on the bison and rhinoceros and on the red deer. A little trophy collection. That's where they brought the toads. That was European, right, Spain, euro Mounts I called Freedom Mounts. Yeah. When they had to remind the French fry, remember when the French were giving us a bunch of shit and we had to change French fries to Freedom fries. Yeah, that's so, I'd like to call European mounts freedom mounts. Yeah, um, freedom Mountstan that the original freedom mounts in the cave. Okay, I'm I'm digging you. The paper states this is in the sum the sum up the conclusion of the paper. Quote today, the accumulation and display of large mammal skulls in the form of hunting trophies is linked to sport hunting. Very careful word like, I applaud the words selection here. I applaud the words selection because, unlike all the not all the Unlike so much of the garbage you read about hunting in the media, careful word selection is linked right to sport hunting. Similar practices, it's continuing on. Similar practices for varying purposes have however, also been documented for the most recent hunter gatherer societies. Indeed, cultures worldwide have invested animal skulls with a strong symbolic content and have protected or displayed them with due attention meaning meaning what seth meaning people like to show off there the big stuff they kill. There, you have it right from Seth as we do today. Yeah, they're like, come to my cave. I want to show you this bison I got last week. You know, Chester, if you come to my cave all right, now, I've got a five gallon bucket that as somewhere between twenty four and thirty swamp rabbit skulls cleaned up, not cleaned up yet rotten. They're rotting. The flesh is coming off of them. So I'm gonna let them. One of the boys at work. I try to get him to clean them for me. He said, Man, this is easiest thing to do. Murphy said, go back there in the lab. Get a five gallon bucket, put him in there, fill it just over the top of water, punch a hole in it, let it set to summertime whatever going there and spray off. And then he said, you'll have your swamp rabbit skulls. So you're gonna see twenty at least twenty four swamp rabbit skulls that I collected this year. And it wasn't for Chester. Your will and Kevin's willis can say I bequeathed this bucket of rotten rabbit sculls to Chester only if he comes down and picks him up. Yeah, Kevin, I don't know if you guys know this. Kevin has bequeathed me his crazy cowboy hat, and I think sweet. And if I go down to when I know something. When I next visit him, I get my pick of the litter out of the gun room. No. Twenty two twenty tas you know. And I got no left headed twenty tis in there. But they've got some nice pumps. But yes, yeah, yeah, I want my kids killed. Nothing about the guns that I have or my hunting dogs. My son's don't tell me, he says, I mean you die. I'm gonna give all your hunting dogs away. I'm gonna sell your guns and buy get tars. I says, I don't care, so I will be dead. You can do what you want if that's gonna make you happy, that's my mission. Did you say guitars. He's a he's a musician. Oh yeah, he's gonna sell my guns and buy with the money the proceeds and buy buy guitar. So I would be looking at the obituary for Beduka, Kentucky. And you might get a hell of a deal on a gun, especially if you've got to get except for the one I take out of that pile, you've got to come and pick it up. You should tell him to hit us up first before he puts them up for sale. I should do what you should tell him, he should hit us up first before he puts them up for sale, because I'll give him your number. Yeah, well, we'll get here today. I got another piece of news to report. I got a lot of news pieces of report. This one's news piece that I picked up myself. Uh Seth yesterday observed this is my favorite observation that he observed that nothing has brought America together since nine to eleven quite like the Chinese spy balloon. Let's get everybody agreed for what. The whole country came together around the idea that someone needs to shoot that spy balloon down. Yea, and he says, it hasn't been since nine to eleven. Everybody's been so united. Yeah, everybody when to shoot it down. But everybody in the country wanted to shoot that balloon down. It really did bring us together. My favorite thing that I was telling you Steve the other day, my favorite thing that came out of that spy balloon was a like a meme photo. It said, Uh, so funny. I haven't seen it with it's so funny, it said, Uh, oh man, what what did the exact actually say? It's images. A few images have been um collected of the well how did it go? It was like a from the spy balloon over Iowa. And it was like a picture of this big, old sunburned dude in his pool throwing a couple of beer bottles up in the air at it, and his wife was right next to him kind of. I don't know if she was like flipping them off or doing the same thing, but it was great. There's a lot of good memes that came out. I don't traffic a memes. Didn't seeing him. I like hearing about him. I don't want to look at him. Here's an interesting thing I was recently. I had a whole conversation with my friend Jason about this where I was all fired up about reporting around this whole. If you go back and listen to the episode we have called Screwed from the Right Screwed from the Left a couple episodes ago, I went on a real tear about some things that the Obama administration had done to usurp Alaska's Management authority of Wild Game or of wildlife, and then Trump undoing the usurpation and the Biden administration threatening to redo the usurpation and this whole thing. And I was talking with my friend Jason about how when you read an article, when you read, like a mainstream media article about a subject you know, well, you realize all the ways that the reporter doesn't understand the issue, or is obfuscating the issue, or is screwing it up. Okay. But then you read another article about something you know nothing about, and you feel thankful that the article exists because here you just learned all this stuff. But how do you reconcile the feeling of reading an article that you know a lot about. Like if I read an article in the New York Times about wild the wild horse issue, the whole article, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not right, that's wrong. Okay. But then you know, you read an article about something else, You're like, oh, what a great piece of reporting. There's actually a thing. There's a word gel gell gel Man amnesia. Okay, in a nutshell, gel Man amnesia is here. I'm reading from a definition of Gelman amnesia. Briefly, state of the Gelman amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well, in Murray's case, physics, in mind show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often articles so wrong it actually presents the story backward, reversing cause and effect. I call these wet streets caused rain stories. Papers full of them. In any case, You read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in the story, and then turn the page to national international affairs and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the Bologna you just read, right, You guys understand what I'm saying. It on her absolutely, yeah. So it's a name for it, Gelman's Gelman Amnesia. A listener, a very kind listener, wrote in He says, I was listening to episode four to eleven of the me Eater podcasts and not for the first time, I thought Steve needed to be made aware of the Gelman amnesia effect. I had no idea it had a name. So thank you to Matt. Here's a great story. Now I'm glad our resident Walleye Tournament anglers are here. Chester and South. The guy from Ohio, the walleye cheater. We got weights in fish. Yeah. Oh, are you guys aware of this? Do you know? We now have in our possession and it's going into our new studio. The guy that caught the Ohio Walleye Cheaters was on the podcast. We now have the jersey he had on that day signed to us. And we have the actual leatherman with the broken blade that he very crudely cut in dramatic fashion. In all the videos you see him gashing the walleye pulling out weights. We now own for our studio, the jersey and the leather man, which we're framing in a big case. Yeah, and he signed it. We got weights in fish. So we have the NiFe. The ship is gonna be highly valuable someday man. Yeah, the jersey and the night will be in our new studio, very prominently displayed. That's that's very generous of him, very generous because he could have sold that at like Sothebes or something for six million dollars, seven million dollars others that. You know, you can't display my hat now, Chester, make sure that he wears my hat when I'm I'm gonna act. I'm gonna wear it, but I don't know. Ronnie Bam had the best advice Ronnie Bam. Ronnie Bam gave me two pieces of advice growing up with him, working for him. When you got to break up with somebody, You young listeners out there, listen to me, Ronnie Bam. Advice number one, when you need to break up with somebody, don't do the like um. When you need to break up with someone, this is the talk you give them. It's not you, it's me. Yeah, it's this. There's nothing you can do. This is not about you. There's nothing that can be fixed, nothing can happen. We're done. We're not trying this out. We're not taking some time apart. There's nothing that can be done. We're done. I like that advice. It's the man funk when you get into the funk. He yeah, he would be very annoyed when people would have these on again, off again. Right, what you gotta do with my hat? Oh? Advice number two? Okay, all right, that's Ronnie Bains Rule number one. Ronnie Baans Rule number Rule number two is never wear a hat that says hello before you do otherwise, never wear a hat that has more personality than you do. That's good. So that hat works great for you. But you have a better personality than I do. And if I get the hat, I'm probably gonna hang in the podcast. I'll be there, so I don't care. I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a bunch of ashes in it. Probably it's gonna be a half ashes, and I'm gonna frame it. I will make sure that you have a portion of ashes. I'm gonna have some of them sent down here, okay, and guy's gonna shoot him out the gun barrel. I'll spread them out there or a briar patch where my ashes are. I like about a good inch. I want a good inch covering of ashes that happened. Um and super Shorty maybe down here too, because I've got I made some bag of my outstanding squirrel dogs rabbit dogs that I've I've had since I think I started doing the little funeral by fire. I lost this really good dog that I had named Dot Hot Dot Man. She was outstanding, I mean, just a firehouse and I got into the man funk. And how I got out of it is I just cremated her. Had a little Kentucky bourbon saved her ashes and started me a bird. It was a big fire, just a bunch of fire there at the house, and I still remember there after I lost another one or two. The ex wife was driving out there and he kids says, what's daddy doing? He says, he just burn it another one of these dogs. Tree story one percent track. Well, I'd be honored to have Shorty up there. Okay, that'd be awesome. Yeah, we may burn him together if you want. I want to get back to this deal. This is all great, he burned dog and everything, but I want to get back to this walleye poetry. One of the walleye poachers can accused walleye poachers, Chase Kaminski. Okay, listen to what he is in trouble for now. This is from the Yahoo dot com finance. How do you has there may been to Hermitage, Ohio? How do you say that it's Hermitage Hermitage and it's it's Hermitage, Pennsylvania, not Ohio. Oh you sure? Yeah? Check this out date line of February sixth, Hermitage. I'm reading the article A Hermitage man accused of cheating in a fishing tournament by putting weights in fish. We got weights in fish. Is facing more legal difficulties, this time involving the passing of fake currency in a bowling alley chase. Elliott Kamenski, thirty six, twelve years younger than me, well now thirteen youngers and years younger than me, was charged Monday along with his son Caden Kamenski, eighteen because their address with conspiracy to commit forgering with related charges after employees said they've passed fake one hundred dollars bills and ten pin alley video surveillance I'm skipping around. Video surveillance from January twenty shows one hundred dollar bill with for my year that the hundred dollar bill says on it promotion picture purpose is only not legal tender. So they got prop money from a movie. Um he bought fifty six worth dollars worth a ship with his with his fake hunterd dollar Bildon got forty four legal tender and change they got to investigate him. My favorite part is the text exchange. It's it's said for motion pictures only in yours. They don't blame the victim. You're blaming the victim. No, you didn't let me finish ahead. I was gonna say, how stupid can they be by like trying that? Pretty stupid? He says he got the money when he sold a PlayStation to someone in Akron, Ohio and didn't realize they were fake. Read the text exchange, Yden, this is Chase's son, so Caden texts as old man texted the Wallee says, sh dash t worked. I think the journalists I know. I'm just okay, shit worked. Chase awesome, should do another one from me tomorrow, Kaden says, Chase, you're still bowling. Kaden says, yeah, bring bring one of those hundreds, Chase, Okay, you can. You can come play. Cosmics starts at eleven. Nothing bring a father and son together like a couple of eight hundred dollar bills and have a bowling alley. It's cosmic bowling. Nothing brings them together. Here's something interesting. Oh sorry, guy, you wanted to revisit this dog cremating thing. Well, yeah, it's just picked curiosity. Uh. I'll cremate them, you know, I'll have some random far wood or tree top or maybe some pallets. Pallets work really good because you can stack them up like three pallets high. Sandwich. That dog in there puts them on the top. It's a yeah. And then when it's all over with, I just go in there and pick up some bones, ashes, maybe a name tag or something, because I'll burn them with her collar on. I don't want to reuse that collar, right, because that's that dog's collar. You know. It's different than re hunting the same ground. You know that dog earned. Yeah, doing a re hunt, that dog earned that. We're gonna get into that. I'm gonna lead the way on that one. Men, Me and guy are gonna leave that discussion. We have practice. I mean we have practice on that. I'm not doing a re hunt, but I just go I'd look to hear you address the issue of a hunt up up. You know, some bones and stuff, and I've got them in little ziplock bags and I've got a leather pouch with some frayed on. It's like a mountain man pouch there, and I've got several dogs and there Bobby Jango, you hunted with Bobby Jango. He's he's in there, but bad told going there morning. He'll go in there, but man, butcher's shit, he may out last mate. He's like ninety one right now. He'll be thirteen this come in July. And you know, he didn't really do a real good job hunting. But man, I had three male dogs in the kendle together and they got in a damn brawl because br five four nine he had an injured foot. So super stout Shorty is the only one that come out of the first day, you know that we hunted with and we took but a bad toe too. But he did really get out and hunt around, but you know, we made it. I just think it's really harmable that you do that with your dogs. It's I just think that's really cool. Only the really good dog, yes, that's my only really good The other ones I would just bury him, putting the ground, but the other ones were going to be with me. And when my ashes to get cremated, I've got my tombstones already at the house. A piece of a piece of limestone from just about four hours north of here, from Drummond Island. Oh you got a piece up there? Yeah, I got a piece of that flat limestone off that of course, out of a souvenir shop. You know, I wouldn't pick anything off of public in up there, and I haven't got a half of a sandstone now a half of a limestone fence post that come out from Middle Kansas where they use limestone for fence post. Out there, the checks could could hear those things out. And my good friend Zach was out on an up and bird hunt, said, man, I like to get one of those. He dug one out of a ditch, big massive thing, so it keeps me grounded when I go on the door. I got drumming out on a little left. I got Kansas on the right, so that would be my markerstone. Have you begun chiseling on that headstone yet? Man? It just so happens that I have a stone sculpture buddy from Nashville, Tennessee, and he's gonna put my name and what I won't inscribed on there? What do you want inscribed on it? I don't know. I haven't. You're on your way to a rehunt. I would I would say, I would say that's what's going on there. I'm going, Yes, that's what I think you should have. What do you say when it's squirrels dead and you you let your dogs know? Oh oh oh yea and dead, yeah in a hole and dead but I'm not gonna be in a hole. I'm gonna be dead. There's no doubt we're all gonna die, you know. And I'm gonna live too. I die. What did you have to say about re hunts? I told y'all was wrong in that case. In that particular case, I was wrong. Well, I do re hunts. You know. It was in New Mexico. You know, your ibex hunting me and Raymond was out scouting around trying to figure out the blacktail jack rabbbit, the desert cotton tail and stuff. And so we were out scouting around and I kind of knew how you were, so I didn't say nothing about hunting this area. And you come in and you saw our footprints on there. You said, Kevin, have y'all been here? I said, we have been here, just scouting around. Said man, there's plenty of rabbits in there. Says, let's go. And so you took us on some death march up next to the mountain with my war out knees, and I knew that you didn't like to hunt the same territory over a rehunt. I rehunt doing a re hunt, And what I have found is four rabbits, four rabbits and squirrels are not only re hunting for squirrels either. Okay, okay, you don't like re hunting for small gang, but you're re hunt for big games. So we want to do a spot and want to do a spot there day and got a lot of rabbits out of it. We got a lot of rabbits, ran a lot of rabbits, shot a lot of rabbits. And then these guys want to go back to the same spot, and I was like, man, I don't want to do a re hunt. We already shot all kinds of rabbits out of there, and and they're like, oh, we're gonna go in there. Take five steps. There's a rabbit places, four rabbits, man rabbits or where rabbits are, and you've got to find out where they've got food protection and briars in there. And that's what they had. You know, when we saw rabbit tracks, we jumped rabbits. They were in the thickest part of that that place, that corridor. I truly believe that they will move in if they were on their fringes, all small game like squirrels. I mean, there was one place when we were we were hunting squirrels on edge of Tennessee's probably back in Man. I don't know if my my buddies from Alabama and West Virginia were in there. It's like Wildcat Holla. It was just cram packed full of squores. You could go in there and get your limit and we would all say, or where are we gonna hunt today? Well, we don't know, Well, somebody would end up in Wildcat. It got hunted every single day, and every anybody that one hunted in every they got twelve squirrels, they would just the food was in there or something safety whatever, but it just got penalty. You just couldn't kill them out. You could not kill them out of Wildcat Holler. And I see that, you know, I see that once rabbit hunting a place and we'd go in there, kill four swamp rabbits, let it rest just a little bit, go back in there. You know. We wouldn't pound the next day, but we would go back in there. It's habitat. Man. Guy has got the habitat up. He's got weed seed, he's got briars, he's got small game corridors where he has a food plot. Here he has water here, he has a shelter belt. He has got it figured out. This is what we need. We do not need oceans in seas of nothing but native grass in those thick places, small game, these rabbits. You look at that and you think, man, there's nothing in there. But you look at that stuff. There may be a little stream or a drain. There's four lane highways in these thick places of briars and weeds and trees and stuff. A rabbit's gonna run in places of least resistance. Now in the beginning, he may run through some thick stuff, but he's gonna try to escape. He's gonna take him a rabbit highway. It might be a two lane, it may be a four lane. And when you figure those out, when you can read that road map a small game, you'll become a better small game hunter. Yeah. I truly believe it's a great rabbit habitat great probably some of the best rabbit hunt I've ever seen. It's very good. It is very good. This this is laid out. I want even get some quail up here. There may be winter extremes that freeze to quail down. Because we had one back home in seventy seven, seventy eight. But more on that line is the pheasants that they talk about that they used to kill here. Oh, that it definitely ain't from here. You know that they to talk about pheasants right here that they used to kill. Yeah, but that's those are from Asia. Yeah, but they are a species that can handle this habitat. But cause the glaciers come through here, you're in historic range. We saw that. I asked, you know, that's where the native not the native, but they what do you call call that? But that's where the pheasant range was, wherever the glaciers where they stopped or stole glaciers in Kentucky. We don't have any any uh any physics act. No, he's you're in. You are right now south of Moskegan. You're close to the historic range of the Northern bobweite Um. And then the line now is a bit the line now has moved quite a way as south. So you have it. So you got about so dad, I do that they might love it. Man, what do you think about doing that? Buying a whole ship load of quail and turning them out? Yeah, but I heard that that's that It never works well I just said that tune. You were like, well, no, but it's got to be wild. They got to get We've got to get wild quail. You got to start catching them. Yes, we got to trade something here in Michigan. DNR has got to go somewhere and get some kind of quail. Of course, with the bird flu and those diseases stuff across the state lines and all that stuff, you know, but we got to figure out how to get on repat Zucker might need to go vigilante. He already is. I've seen action. He's a top notch preder control guy. He joined my team. I immediately he went to the top. He is right there, shoulder to shoulder with me. Here's here's a good letter. A guy wrote in We don't need to touch on that. It's great with here, but here's here's letter a guy wrote in so New Mexico. Um, I know this first hand because a good friend of mine, who's who's a wild cattle catcher, has been doing a bunch of work in New Mexico. He catches wild cattle with hounddogs. In fact, in fact, I don't want to overshare here. I was on he was on this podcast. I want his in I Don't Love to Dan YouTube Love the best time in the world. You guys would be like blood brother nuts on a dog. Blood brothers. You guys would be like yo. You guys would have a hell of a time. So he was on this podcast he was talking about his business of he catches cattle that can't be caught. In his words, it doesn't matter what kind of cowboy, cow punch or cow catcher you are, you can't do what he can do. Okay. He uses his lion hounds and has trained as lion hounds to bay cattle that can't be caught. So if you got straight, if you're a rancher and you got stray cattle and you get stray cattle off or they're not supposed to be, they open the wilderness area. Whatever you can't get him, he'll get them. You get cattle that can't be pushed with a helicopter, can't be whatever you're trying to clean off wild cattle, so you can put cattle on the ground that are tame and catchable. He catches wild cattle that's been out there for generations, not like a cow that was normal and went wild. He catches them that were born wild with these dogs. I'm all in. He was on the podcast speaking about his line of work and wound up giving a bunch of work down in New Mexico. But the New Mexico is getting serious about the wild cattle issue. They got a plan now to go into the HeLa Wilderness, which is tricky because there's certain constraints around what you do wilderness. But going into the HeLa Wilderness is a plan in place to do helicopter gunning to try to get wild cattle the HeLa Wilderness. Of a listener wrote in wondering about this, he's like, that's all finding good. I'm paraphrasing that's all fine and good, But why is it not part of the plan when they gunned down a wildcattle to release GPS coordinates of the carcass immediately, Because he's like, why let all that good beef go to waste? Do you know for a fact that they let it all go to waste? They shoot him and just leave them. He wants them to shoot them and an immediately release GPS coordinate so that people going there and butcher those wild cattle and pack up choice cuts. Yeah, I mean, yeah it He thinks they should do it during cool weather. There'd have to be some kind of sign up things. So there, you know, get on a list. Back home in Kentucky, we bring in the gun ships, as I call them. We've got a wild hog problem. People letting him lose, thinking there's going to be some kind of new sport with their dogs or whatever. And they brought in a gun ship back in I'm thinking about twenty twelve, fourteen fifty. I lose track of time anymore. And the pilot said that was the densest population of wild hogs that he had ever flown on. They killed like three hundred and fifty Obion Creek bottoms there. They were going in destroying the farmer's field. They were just getting like on a corn row and just route all the way down and just eat all the corn seed in there. But they killed like three fifty the first year. They come in late March when the vegetation is at the thinness where they could see them and yes and shoot them. They came back the next year they killed like one hundred and fifty something, and then they came back the third year and they killed like thirty two. Then they hired a professional trapper to come to come in and try to catch those really super smart ones out there. We have them at LBL right now. They brought in the gun shehelp up there. I don't know. I was told the numbers, but I don't remember, so I'm not going to repeat anything. But the wild hogs are a super big problem because there's the like the swine flu. Twenty eighteen, I was coming back from Sasasquan on a waterfowl hunt. I was sitting with a veterinarian that was a swine veterinary that worked around the world. He had grown up in Canada and worked his way over into spin and a few other places in Europe. And he was flying to Nashville and I asked, you, said, you going there to see vacation or whatever. Said, no, I'm going there for a seminar on the swine flu. And he told me how bad it was. And then you know, if you watched the news and seen that was going on in China where they were killing millions and millions of tame hogs, where the swine flu come in. And he told me that that. You know, at customs coming in, you know they check you for food, you know, not processed like you know, if you had a country ham that you cured at at your house over in Spain or whatever, they wouldn't let that thing. If it was processed in plastic wrap, they will, they will let that through. Sometimes it will and sometimes it won't. But he told me that someone could have some sausage if they cured and may have not went through the proper process. They could bring it over here, take it out, eat a sandwich out in LBL, throw it down, and then a hog could come in there it eat it and then start transmitting swine fleet from that. We had a hog expert, a hog eradication expert on the show one time on this podcast a couple of years ago, and he was saying that he don't care about all the big numbers. That's not interesting to him. Like the guys that go into an area and they catch two hundred, three hundred, He's like, whatever, you know what he's interested in. He's interesting the guy that catches the last one. Yes, exactly. We all are esportunate. Yeah, because because they are vectors for a wildlife and vectors for our farming industry. Well, his point being that the skill set the experts are the ones that get like any anybody can do the you know, let's say you got a hundred catching ninety seven them whatever. But the guy that he likes is the guy that can go in and get the last three, because that's the hard part. He's the guy. Yeah, that's what becomes he is. He is like actually doing an eradicate, like thinning back numbers is one thing, but doing like an absolute eradication is a difficult job. I understand that one, yes, yes to get the last one the smartest one, and hogs are super smart. They are way up there on the on the smartness scale. I'm always talking about how I'm always talking about um, this guy, says Steven episode four one one was bemoaning the lack of clear representation of hunters by the two major US political parties. Check this out. Guess what Australia has for a political party. They have a political party called the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party. I like that, man, I'm gonna be a member of that. I like that. You know what they do in Australia, it's weird. You have to vote, compulsory voting. No shit, that's the weirdest thing in the world. Why did you make people vote? Why would you want to dilute your vote? That's what I remember my my civics teacher in schools like he was trying to teach his view. His name was al de Young, and he was staying up in front of the class and he'd say, why would I be He a lot of the government teachers were trying to encourage their kids, that their students to register to vote. He would say, why would I want you people to vote? Why would I dilute my vote? And he'd always point his two thumbs at himself and he'd say, I'm concerned only with what af facts? Al de Young, and that was his Civics lesson. You don't want people to vote. He's like, if I had in my way, I'd be the only guy that voted. Right, they make you vote. I didn't know this till now. Either way they have them. Wasn't name of that party? Hunter Fishers and Farmers Shooters the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers party. Here's the problem it only it only pulls point six percent of the vote. Over the last twenty five years, they've ranged between point six and one point seven. That was the hell of a good year. One point seven three percent. Huh. He says voting is compulsory in Australia. The listener, which may skew numbers, Let me damn sure would skew numbers making everybody vote? What kind of lunacy would you get if everybody had to vote? You actually got a guy that doesn't want to vote, and you make them go vote. You just got to pull the lever, Like, why do you want his opinion? No, I really want your opinion. You don't care, you don't know anything, but I really would like to know what you think. I if that's true that you have to vote. Here's another interesting letter that came in. Check out this headline I found. This is an email subject line I found a human skull while shed hunting. Yeah, that's interesting catches my eye. Podcast listener in Massachusetts, this was out shed hunting, found an unexpected deadhead. My wife and I managed to buy our first house here in Westfield, Massachusetts last October. He's only got a little chunk of land, but behind it as a big track of forest owned by the city, White Pine and Wetlands green Space right a ton of deer activity. He's been doing a bunch of shed hunting at there, went out on a real cold day and hunting sheds. Now here's him talking. I've been looking for sheds for about an hour and was starting to loop back around in my house and noticed that the largest section of wetland that I'd yet to muck through was finally frozen over. I was pretty confident deer had been pushing through there, but I hadn't yet strapped up hip waiters to check it out. I walked on the ice and followed a game trail through the cat tails, and at about twenty feet I noticed there was a tiny island with a small red maple just barely hanging on in the center. I got onto the island and right smack next to the tree was a human skull. Huh, I'd love to have that happen to me. It looked deliberate, how perfectly it was in the center of the small little sectional land. This man's an excellent does a great job explaining this right. Yeah, even nailed the tree species. I thought to myself, Huh, that's some dude's skull, followed promptly by it. That's gotta be fake. So I flipped it over with my boot. It was most certainly not fake, seeing as it still had its fillings on the molars. Wow. I don't typically bring my cell phone out with me when out behind my house, so I had to head back home. At this point, I was pretty asked it wasn't the deadhead I was looking for, but I already knew I had a great story to tell my wife. I got home, told my wife parentheses pretty shocked, then called the cops. At this point, it was four thirty PM, five degrees fahrenheit. A lot of details. Yeah. I suggested to the dispatch we'd go out the following morning when it'd be light, but that didn't fly. Two cops got to my place and I brought him out back. I'll note there's about an eighty foot elevation drop at roughly forty five degree angle behind my house. This guy is just made for this kind of thing, playing out. Eighty foot elevation drop, forty five degree pitch. You know what, that's a very steep pitch. He might be wrong. I'd love to check that. When I brought them to the spot, the lead investigator came to the small island while the other state a bit outside. He looked at the school and confirmed it was real. Then a second bone caught my eye. Just under the cops boot. Sticking out of the water was a femur. I feel like a dumb ass for this, but I didn't have my phone on me before and I hadn't gone out to take a picture before the cops arrived, so no picture. I asked the investigator if I could take a pick after we found the femur and got a pretty hard no. Still kicking myself for that one. I spent the next few hours helping some additional cops navigating ATV close to the wetland, then called at night while they stayed out in searched the area for a few more hours. The remains ended up being from a guy down the road that went missing three years back. Apparently he wanted to live off the grid. I thought I'd be more shocked to find human remains, but it made more of a philosophical impact than an emotional one. Think about that. Overall, it was a wicked experience. Here's a good story right for this one. Yep, Kevin, as you'll appreciate this one alright. Aggressive squirrels forced Florida Country Club to consider relocation. These are my kind of squirrels. On a golf course. Maybe I might want to bring some of them up here and you can, Kentucky. This is amazing SETTHEWS says you're good at regional proNT Windermere, Windermere Windmere. It's not Windmere wind Windermere Windermere Country Club. Is that quote peak playability right now? Unless you count the squirrels. The twenty seven hole Naples, Florida Golf Complex is going through quite an ordeal when it comes to regional wildlife. Squirrels in the area are being nuisances in all sort of ways. Is beginning to force the hand of the Windermere higher ups. They're probing relocation options for aggressive squirrels. Yeah, I's never heard of an aggressive squirrel. Never heard It's here's a great here's one of my favorite sentences of my life. We are looking into the issue to determine the best outcome for both the squirrels and our members safety. Oh you know, it's crazy, Candy as I literally god man, as if golf couldn't get any lower, go ahead. I literally just I saw my phone light up. I literally just picked up my phone. My buddy Ben Levy sends an article. It says aggressive squirrels forcing Florida Country Club to consider relocation. What are the chances he's just send me that article like picture this man? What kind of person? What kind of first off, I've made my feelings about golf, no one, but I mean that you're goal. You can't, you can't, you're scared to go golfing because the squirrels. You have a golf everything. Well, there's a there's a tweet from a guy in his handle as a Naples golf guy. I played the golf course a lot. I would say the squirrels are persistent. If you leave open food containers in your cart, they will help themselves. I love these squirrels. You know what, man, I think that if it goes well, they'll move that golf course to another country and Scotland anything they like golf over there. Moved to Scotland and and then have that be a good hunting spot. A golf story about squirrels. My uncle Pete or it was my uncle Gary, I can't remember which one. Was golfing with my dad and a squirrel was about two hundred and fifty yards out running across the fairway and he hit a hit a drive and a golf ball flew out there and I'll send it hit something in ricochet and uh and then he ended up getting that squirrel out in the fairway, killed it, HM with a nine urn or what says. I don't know, Steve. If I was a golfer, I would be so humiliated by this being an issue. No, no, no, no, by you needing to like fret about how to handle the risk of squirrels while playing golf. Maybe they should just have Kevin come in there. They need to get him some feral cats. That's what they need. They'll take. No, they need to move the golf course to another country. I think if we brought those aggressive squirrels up here, because you got retreating squirrels here. Yeah, if we braid those together, then that should be a state put squirrel Maybe, y'all, that's a good point. Just bring in some zucker squirrels. They'll teach those squirrels how to steer clear. Um. Check this out. This is kind of a news episode. You're getting us. China trains squirrels to detect drugs. It's reported an NPR. Now what I'll say it again? Did I stutter? Now? I wasn't paying at we were making hand signal. China trains squirrels to detect drugs. As reported in an NPR, a police squad in China claims it's trained squirrels to detect drugs. Police sources told local news outlets the squirrels keen sense of smell makes them suited for the task. They haven't been deployed, but news of the rodent troop went viral on Chinese social media. Let's be talking about TikTok, you know, the last guy on the planet, like, you know, like this whole thing with TikTok and how it's like it's basically like the Chinese spy balloon in your phone. Yeah, um, mercer long the Bobcat Tramper has it take Send me a TikTok. I can't even watch because I don't have it. He sent me a TikTok link. Yeah, he's wondering about putting them. He was like, he's asked me. They're talking about taking a mixing wild game meat with bacon soda and watched TikTok. Can't watch the video? Huh, um Clay, he tears a new one on or TikTok. Clay's like Joe TikTok. I know, I heard, I've heard of this. TikTok has stricter even though it's a spy and like spies on you, it has stricter stuff around hunting and firearms, really strict hunting and gun rules. You know why, because they don't Well, I could go down away conspiracy rabbit hole, right, like what kind of people they're trying to draw in? Trying to draw in the lambs and not the wolves, that's right. So, but this is very interesting. So a police squad in China claims its successfully trained squirrels to detect the smell of drugs. This is an interesting part. Please. Sources told local news outlets that the squirrel's keen sense of smell and you're ready flexibility make them uniquely suited for the task. So that spy balloon it what over Florida is a dropping spy? Squirrels drop better retrieving aggress it with a spar That might be man. They might be like, hey, man, when we're done spying on the military installations, if we can zap up somebody's aggressive squirrels from this golf course in Florida. I'm training them to drug sniff squirrels put them back into TikTok squirrel. I saw one of those squirrels here sniffing around sets bag. So maybe Suck has a few that's nutty. No drugs, So the trail mix the cheng Quinn city, please, I'm I'm sure I'm mutilating the name choung Quinn City. They have a dog brigade. They now have a subunit of six squirrels. They have a dog brigade. It must not be curs or fee. They're using red squirrel They're using red squirrels because the dogs would be after the squirrels, right, because they can sniff out drugs and the nooks and crannies of warehouses and storage units. Hm. The picture of that squirrel that they have looks a little different than our red it is, but there's a lot of kind of red squirrels. I think red squirrels are basically, uh, transpolar do you know, like the blue like, for instance, the blue muscle is transpolar like if you if you take ah, that's not the right word for it. Look up what the word for it is. If you take a latitude band, Okay, there's some species if you like the polar bear. For instance, you can take a latitude band so it would be zero to whatever latitude and run it across the whole planet. That latitude band whole holds that species. I believe moose are like this. You can take a latitude band in the northern hemisphere and and and take that band. So let's say with Moose, I don't know what it is, thirty to I don't know what, right, thirty to forty five whatever, and run that latitude band around the whole globe, the whole planet. They exist in that latitude band. Blue muscles that have a latitude band all the way around the planet. It's called circumpolar. Circumpolar. Yeah, transpolar is transpolar existing across either of the polar regions. You know. Here's another good words I learned one day is if if you know, when you were a kid, you thought if you dug down deep, you'd pop out in China at any point on the planet if you were to, if you were to burrow straight through, so the longest axis through and pop out, that's called your antipods. M hm. So you I don't know, if you'd like started digging right here Chester and popped out, you'd pop out at your antipities. Where would I pop out? That's a good question. But once you popped out, you this is metaphysical. Once you popped out, you would be sitting at your antipities. M that's that's it. Could and see what right here? Yeah, it's probably an app. If not, we should develop an app called the Antipities app and it'll always tell you what your antipities is. Man, we got this, We got this tunnel, like, uh, what was that movie that I saw where it had that hole in it? That Western thing? Did y'all see that? M? No, what was that name? It had the guy from uh, scratch your beer? Old Country, No country for McCarthy, O man, No country for omen? Yeah? Uh you Ellen was the like the star guy in the thing. And then any hid Luellen? Yeah, lou Allen. This hole that he popped out of on his property. It was like going down the rabbit hole. YO, didn't see that? That's all the movie A bunch of times when no one pops out of a hole in the yard. Yeah, that's worth that's a new world lou Ellen coming from he come out of that hole. I think we'd be somewhere right in the Indian Ocean. I don't think he's talking about no country for old man now I was talking about But there was another that was another series of about I don't know, eight shows, nine shows, and uh, yeah, it's pretty interested. That was. I can't remember. I haven't seen that. Now. My kids have a great kids book called Sam and Dave Dig a Hole. And they dig a hole and they dig, dig, dig, dig dig, And what's weird is they eventually fall through the other side of the planet and they fall through the sky and land in their own yard. Because love that book. What's it called Sam and Dave Dig a Hole. I think that's what it's called. Look up Paduca, Kentucky. I want to know. You know, when they land in their yard, it's a little bit different. If you compare the pictures in the beginning. Some things change when they fall from scott they come out, they plunge out the other side of earth fall and flop right in their own yard and they're fine. But if you look, shit's a little different. M So instead of reading from left to right, they read from right to left. Uh, these the police and the um oh this goes on. I got this more parts of this they have the Chong King Seun King Police Department. They have not returned m requests for comment on their drug sniffing things. But here's the thing I didn't know about. In two thousand and two, the Pentagon backed project to use bees to detect bombs. Meanwhile, Cambodia has deployed trained rats to help bomb disposal squads trall mine fields or buried explosives. I don't want that job as a rat. Fucking back, as a rat, I don't want to do that. So how do they use bees to don't know. I haven't read up on it, and I'll follow back. That's pretty bizarre. I could see a rat training them to do feed them some C four or something or you know what they smell C four. They get a reward. Yeah, you know, I could see trading that, roading that road in mind to do that. But a bee is a whole different. Associate it with some kind of collen or something. Yeah, like you don't like discipline the b when it does bad. No, I know, I was told about some of the you roll up a newspaper, you can't hit them a little bit on the nose. Some of the mountain people that I knew. They said to find in the mountains, to find a wild colonies to bee, you know, honey. They would tie something a thread or something they could see on a on a wild honeybee and let it fly up and then when it leveled off. They knew that there was probably a B tree in that area, and used to when I really did a lot of prowling and this stuff, I knew were like five or six wild b trees were located. Now I only know where one is because I would say that. And I don't prowl around, you know, as much as I used to. But I was to me, I'm mark of a woodsman where I'd be out prowling around, you know, looking and finding a wild B tree. Yeah, it's it's funny you bring this up because there's a couple. This is a I'm glad he brought this up. Maybe you could shed some light on something for me. There's a Tom Petty song in which Tom Petty says, sure, did you ever watch that great documentary about Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers called Running Down a Dream? The first time any of those guys were ever west of the Mississippi River is when they went to La to try to make it as musicians, and they no kidding, phoned a rap of paper that had a bunch of record producers names on it in a phone booth and started calling those numbers. That's a Michigan elbow grease in Florida, people. What was I getting that? Oh? There's a Tom Petty song where he says I can track a single bee to its hive. Okay. I have a friend whose name was Layton, and he lived in Montana, and he would as a hobby, he would make his own boot wax and he would make it. Would he'd make a triblend boot pitch okay, bees wax, bear grease, pine pitch okay, equal parts to treat his boots. He'd get his own pine pitch. He'd get his own bear grease, and he'd get his own bees wax, and he would find it. He would make it a hobby of his. In the summer, he would go out until he saw a honeybee flying, and he'd watch, and he'd watched where he couldn't see it anymore, okay, And then he'd go stand in that spot and mark it with a piece of surveyor's tape, and the next time he had time, he'd stand in that spot and he'd wait and wait and wait and wait and wait for honeybees to come along there, and he'd watch far as it would go, mark that spot and hang out there, and he used to routinely find wild honeybees that way. It would be interesting to know if he figured that out on he's his own, or if some warning got told him about that. Well, that's why I think he I mean, I don't want to say he learned it from Tom Petty, but that's what. That's what. And when you're listening to Tom Petty, and like all the everybody on the planet has heard I can track a single bee to its hive. But I wonder how many people have any how many people listen to that and they just like hear it and it goes through their brain, but they don't understand at all what it means. They don't understand, like what that level of what he's saying about that level of prowess. You brought up No Country for Old Men, and I brought this up before. In the end of No Country for Old Men, the character is describing a dream and he dreams that he and his father are riding horses in a blizzard and his father rode ahead carrying a horn of fire. No one knows what that shit means. If you listen to the show. If you listen to the show, you know what that means. But like, how many things enter your brain from media or whatever, music, art, and it just that's the noise it makes when it goes through sets head. Its probably sounds like, yeah, most most of that feats my head. It's in and out. Um, I can track a single bee to its hive. I would love something. I want to set myself to doing that someday. But the thing is now you brought it up with like with rampant use of pesticides, changing farm practices, colony collapsed this order like we're running out of that ship less pollinators, and we got this monol culture of seas of soybeans and corn and not any like. Um, look milt miltweed that we used to have for the monarchs. Yeah, he's got a lot of milkweed. I asked him if he planted that milkweed. He says, he's, he's he just had, he just got and it's coming more and more and more. Milkweed here. Yeah, there's I got milkweed pods off a Drummond Island, but we'd up that far north. But I've been trying to collect. I've got some kids and they've sent me some some uhum mit weed pods. Did you do you know what they was used? Ordering? Uh? W W two? I know what I use them? Oh yeah, when checker wouldn't they make them? They're making silk or something or no, no, no, I'm wrong about that. No, I don't know what about it, fisherman. What what's y'all's PFDs? Uh? Right now? What is it made out of? But they made they use it as a floatation device for add you're kidding me? Nope, I knew the calculations. I did some research on it. But they don't only last so long they become waterlog But they collected huge amounts of for PFDs. For PFDs, yes really, yes, two? Now I'm learning great stuff, man, that's great. Yeah. What I like to do is in my in my FHF vinyl harness or is this little kind of like pockey You can't really figure out what what you'd put in air? It's like for what it's actually for a mouth call. It's a perfect size. You put a red call like a mouth calling air, and one on each side. It is never gonna come out in a thousand years, but it's just there if you want to grab it out. When I see milkweed, I take the milkweed. What are you two having like a little night? Do you think about it? We have bondedge, we have we have spent three is gonna get in trouble when he comes to Kentucky. Man, all them patches I got on my jacket, I'm gonna have to like call the on me. It's like, man, I need some help. What does my jacket side says? All kinds of stuff? This is like a jacket. He looks like an old nineteen seventies Harley Rider because he's got so many patches sewing on to his hunting coat. Oh, man, on the FHF Binal harness. There's like these little mouth caall things. I like to keep one of those packed full with milkweed. Oh, let's say that it's not the actual seed, it's the little white stuff. It's the thing that carries the seed in the wind. You want to know what the winds doing? You take you reach in there it works, well, throw that up. You gotta just you have to be careful because if you take your die from turn you call or your elk call, and you put it in the wrong pocket with the milkweed, you can whip it out and get your mouth full of a bunch of milkweed. In Michael Harre's book Dispatches, he talks about the lerps, the long range of constance patrollers in Vietnam. He talks about how they always kept uppers in the right pocket of their tiger suit and downers in the left pocket their tiger suit. I do like milkweed right, instead having uppers and downers, I do milkwed milkweed right, mouth call left. I don't mix them up. Good. I want to give you guys a little bit of an update here after some research. If you dig a hole where we're sitting right now, the whole way through the earth, you end up somewhere in between the Indian and Southern Ocean, in the water kind of on the south. It would be the southwest tip of Australia. It's in the Indian Ocean, right. Yeah, funny you mentioned that, because when I learned the word antipities, I was reading a thing by the writer Ian Frasier, who's going to be coming on the podcast soon, and he had written a big He was from Ohio, and he talked about like there's a lot of towns and all people used to be obsessed with the antippities, Like can't in Ohio If I'm not, I might be messing parts of this up. But there's towns around the country named after what they thought their antipities was. Like people used to really be into this antippities idea. And there's town's name where they had miscalculated what the antippities was and named the town after its antippities. So when you're a little kid and you're brought up thinking that if you dug through in America, you'd like dig through and land in China. He wrote a whole piece wasn't long, but he wrote a whole piece about what the antippities of his hometown in Ohio was. And he got into this kind of muck that's like twenty thousand feet deep in the ocean, and all this information about this muck down there, and like did a whole piece about his hometown's antippaities, which which was like this primordial muck deep in the ocean. Yeah, and coming back to me. Now, anywhere in the United States, the antipit Antippaities would be in the in the water in the ocean. In the ocean. We should get my deep drop reel and go down there and deep drop. Yeah. Watch you dropped down there and catch chester. You see. Let's see a bait come up. Yeah, the hook with tennis in, Chad, dude, big sharp hook and put a tennis in on there and lower it down out in the Antippities are pretty soon. Liked to be out there on his boat and Kane ferry and all of a sudden a ten pound piece of lead come shooting up. We Uh, we're gonna wrap the show up. I got one last thing to say. Uh, we're having a conversation. Yes day, I learned that I was reading it when they shot one of those balloons, those spier it's probably not a spy bloom, but the one they shot over leak here on right near here. Yeah, the first sidewinder missile missed. It missed the balloon. Wow. And we were talking about what if you boys been fishing Walwyes and got hit by that sidewinder missile Off Lake here on what a story. Yeah, I think there's only one thing that would happen. Seth and I were both would be both looking at our meg alive and see something coming towards us. Chris Gill says, if that would have happened, he would have got good coverage of it. Yeah, that guy doesn't miss the hook set. Well, all right, got Kevin, you got anything left? You want to add? Special thanks to my dog wrangler that helped me on this trip that I couldn't have been dog, not your dog wrangler, My dog wrangler. Yeah, my dog wrangler. I was like, Nick, you had a dog named Ler. Yeah, my dog wrangler, Nick. That helped me immensely and made this trip more enjoyable. Ut. Yeah, worn out, worn in, worn in, I'm more in man guy, Like I said, We've got some adventures to do. That's for sure. That's for sure. Forward to Uh, you know, Chris said he could get us into Burning Man. So are you in r out? Yeah? So I think Zucker he might be more into your Burning Squirrel Festival in Burnie Squirreld. Yeah, we're gonna have that on the Ohio River sometime red in June. So yeah, we're all going to be river pirates for a weekend. So, um Man, this is a wonderful place. You've done a wonderful god job of of going to here and making habitat for I know you're turkey and a dear guy, but people don't understand turkey and dear habitat make great. Small game habitat small game to habitat makes great. It's all intermingled in there. That's the way I look at it. If if you're doing stuff for the rabbits and quail and the birds, you're helping them, Darren, the turkeys along briars, and we'd say, up everything, it's an amazing I mean it's it's an amazing property. So Matt who owns this place, he's on the TRCP board of directors. Guy does all the wildlife management out here, and you know, goes to show like what can be done, what can be done on a piece of recreational property with when you're able to, when you're in a position we're able to just to have the I don't want to say the luxuries not the right word, but it's part of that, right part of that, but also the tenacity, you know, and the will to do wildlife work and driving around here. I mean there's not a ton of it happening, but I mean here it's just like and it's it's active control timberwork, burning planning. It's like active control bear dirt pollinators. I saw all the fling plants that you have out there, and you know, the bees, the butterflies. The chain of nature is here. You've got soul health. That makes plant health, but that makes wildlife health. Just what I see going on here. No, it's it's it's amazing, man, the amount of I mean, just like the bird let everything, it's it's an amazing it's an amazing place. I mean, you can imagine if if if we could double quadruple the acreage in this country that that was like this, because the cats out when it comes to human involvement, like the cats out of the bag, Genie's out of the bottle, whatever you want to put it. It's like leaving it alone is one Like leaving alone is one thing, but it doesn't leaving it alone at this point, this used to all be This used to be old growth white pine. Okay, so in terms of what, um, you know, it's a little bit more north you here but you know, like old growth timber that's not coming back, you know, And at this point, it's like you gotta fight for every square inch of it, man. And it's like and that kind of superactive management just makes incredible wildlife habitat and with all the invasives now and stuff, leaving it alone is just it's a scary thing. And this is one of the nicest little podcasts setups I've ever been at. You We've done a number of I'm sitting right here. Maybe that fire crackling, yea, a couple of weasels up above there checking us out stuff. Weasels. Chester has got his coz he's on. Yeah. Well, it's it's a privilege to work with Matt and be able to do the things that I do. But it's it's constant, you know, I'm I'm working for Turkey season and deer season and Turkey season. You know, it's just a constant battle of there's never downtime, you know, there's and that's the great part about it, you know, being able to see the future and what that field to look like. And we talked about what we were going to do with that field that we walked through and how we were going to connect it and I've already got a plan for two years from now for that, but I've got to let nature catch up to where I want to be able to utilize what it has to do. And the lack of roundup that we lose use here and now we do use it like in our food plots, but you know, we just we don't use it very much. And we're not fence to fence. We're letting fence to field. You know, we're letting it the briars and the milkweed and everything else coming along. And we've seen it the last year. It's really taken off. And that took three years to get there, you know. Yeah, but this is when you see if you if you listen to the show and you watch on social media of stuff we're doing. When you see us do the TRCP Raffle turkey hunt, this is where we hold that hunt. This will be this will be our third year. Yeah, So coming to spring, we do our raffle. People. You buy raffle tickets from five bucks apiece or something like that, and then we get lucky winners picked out of that raffle and then we host them for a turkey hunt for me in Yanas hunt turkeys. This is where we do that. This is where we do that. And we raised the boatload of money for TRCP doing that that raffle hunt. Man, that's great, that is great. I'm thinking we need to extend it, man and do a raffle where we do a rabbit hunt. I'll be in on that. I'll help God. Oh, Kevin, that was amazing that those beagles. Steve and I are talking about how we gotta get some beagles out in Montana. I know, but I'm not doing it until Kevin comes out with his and does an assessment, like a condition assessment. Yeah, it's just I'm just worried about the dry like like, is how boned are you gonna get by the dry air? The dry condition right right? You may have to you know, a puppy might acclimate right into the thing. Um you know, might have tried. But I'll bring the dogs out and we'll try that. Just kind of like this morning, you know, we were snowed in ice underneath we had a track and snow where we could see rabbits signs the dogs were hit or miss on the on the rabbits kind of get them going kind of lose them and they're at end. They were running. One rabbit pretty pretty decent. We might have been able to kill it, but in the beginning we just said, man and I said, we're not gonna be able to kill them with the dogs. We're gonna have to push through like we were sixteen, and go through the rough stuff and jump shoot the rabbits. That's what we did, and we got four rabbits. But man, that day when it was just wet ground, ohow, Yeah, the minute those things that day was incredible because the minute one of those dogs bellard, You're like, that's a dead rabbit because they're gonna run that thing by three times they need to. And then and then when that layer of ice, that layer of frozen rain on the ground, within that frozen snow on top of that, it was just incredible the difference it made. We steth Ball killed one stepping on it and it ran out, and the dog could tell that it had where it had been laying, but it couldn't pick up its exit out of there. Yes, because he melted a little pouch right head. It had melted there. Yeah, big difference, man, Yeah, that wet soul, that rich palectual deposit soul here. It the scent really stays in when singing conditions are above freezing well, and that On that note, I just want to thank you for bringing them dogs up here and Steve dreducing me to him because you know it burnt myself out on it for so many years and be able to pick up a gun and go do that. It was just it really meant a lot, and you bore than welcomes enjoying myself a mena zucker got burned out on hunting guide, took it out of explained that yep, and the good Lord give it back to me, and I just I couldn't believe it. It was just a really good day, it really was. And then for you to shoot my rabbit with my twenties here today and showing me how it was done. I'm just put it in the case. That's it. Uh. It was just a really good day, a really good time, and I'm looking forward to getting in trouble with you many many times. Burning Man, Squirrel, Burning Squirrel as usual, Kevin Guy, thanks for coming on the show man, Thank you enjoyed. It won't be the last time you boys have been on the show. But I appreciate it. Thanks for having us money