00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. All right, everybody, this is a special Louisiana edition. In fact, Rannie Collins explain what we're on right now. Uh, we're sitting on a hundred and two foot house boat in the middle of Bay Lafouche. That's right, man, it's like a cruise ship. It is. How how do you how did you guys wind up with this thing? So my grandpa actually built it from scratch. Yeah, he um, he got a good deal and some steel. Uh. Took about a year. He built the barge. He made it from the barge up. I was talking from the barge up. So anytime we had like it was kind of slow at work, he would take our to keep our welder's busy, he would send them work on the houseboat. So he built the barge first, which took about a year, and then he built the first story in the second story, and then my mom lined up some carpenters to do the inside, and you guys can move this thing around depending on where you want to hang out. Correct. We Uh we have uh four or five tug boats and uh whenever we want to move it, whenever one of them not on a job, we'll move it. Uh. You better explain your family business. So my family business is oil field construction, marine construction. We actually uh build oil platforms out in the marsh and then the bayous, and we have a handful of tugs, um probably another eight arges and then we have our our work crews. Do you guys pull this around to job sites to and stay on it? No, this is strictly just the family houseboat. We don't, dude, this house boat. I want to set the scene. This house boat has a Christmas tree in it, It has plates, a full kitchen, decorations, multiple bathrooms. How many bathrooms? Three uh to appear and then three upstairs, so five by by full bathrooms. This house would be a sweet house if it wasn't even on a boat. Yeah exactly, Yeah, you put it on a boat. Next level you can fish off the porch. Dude, I'm gonna steal this thing some night on the hot wire. One of them tugboats dragged this thing the southeast Alaska. They got they got one right there and they can push it. Oh, it's two stories, yeah, two stories, right, yea, two stories. Uh. I'll probably leave the Christmas tree out on the deck there, but on the dock because I don't want to really like add insult to injury. I'm taking a whole old damn deal. The top and the top of it all off a kind of rocky to sleep at night. When those little when those shrimp boats or whatever boat passes, you get a little rocking motion and that's nice. Man. Oh, we have been like immersed in the culture also so that that that's a Ronnie Collins, not a junior, right, not a junior. And uh gean Paul to give the proper bouge Jean Paul, bourgeois, sir, good French name. Yep, yep. You're learning also from the state correct. Give a little background. Yeah. So I'm from Thiboda, Louisiana, which is a little north of where we're at right now in Galliano, and I grew up um An Assumption and Lafouche Parish um and uh I was kind of raised cooking. My mom and dad were great cooks. I kind of followed suit by their hip the whole time. And when I when I had to decide what to do with my life, the only thing that I kind of kept thinking about, I'm pretty good at cooking. So I went to culinary school, did culinary school, and I've been in and ever since, I've never had a job outside of the kitchen. Tell him what your first job was. First job was boiling crawfish, crab and shrimp that expressed seafood in Toboda, Louisiana. That was my first job. I was fifteen years old. And the thing I remember the most, of course, we borrowed a whole bunch of seafood. But you go home, um after that shift, and your pores would be on fire with just with some of that powdered seasoning, because when you put that in the water, it steams up and that gets all on your skin. But it's a good memory. That's a good memory. It's like one of those things that only happens if you do that job. And then you went up and chef. You went up to the big city and chef in New York for a long time. I did. Yeah, I was in New York from two thousand and nine to two thousand that uh one. Actually was it kind of like if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere kind of thing. Yeah, I mean I think so, I I was. I'm kind of a chameleon in the sense of that I like. I like the adaptability of being in new places. And New York was one of those places that I've never been. And I didn't have a job. I didn't I didn't I went without a job, and um yea. In my head, I was like, well, let me put myself in the most uncomfortable situation I can, and that's how I know I'm gonna learn to learn the most and evolve the most and just change. And So, did you boil any crayfish up there? We did? Yeah? I probably, oh man. I used to ball about five hundred pounds a year for a certain event every year while I was up there. H L s U has um L s U actually has an alumni kind of gathering there that I've done a couple of times. Even though I'm not an L. S U alum, I'm a Louisiana in and boiled crawfish for them. And different things. I mean, people love crawfish no matter where you're at in the country, and especially love it if you have somebody authentically from Louisiana doing it for him. And then, uh, but I don't even know your name. Man, say it again. Okay, Gri, you know why you're here, Budding? Not really. We only just met Budd yesterday because Buds, Yeah, probably my favorite person on the planet. He passed up half a finger he passed up during blew way past Seth and Chester. We met Budd yesterday because Bud's gonna give a dispatch about this. We met Buddy yesterday because we went this. I didn't know this existed until yesterday. We went to Bud's private personal crawl fish pond. Crawfish pond. Like you know how some people have a garden that they take care of and everything. He has a crawfish pond that puts off how many pounds three pounds a year to waker to waker pald Okay, puts off three thousand pounds of crawfish. I went over there thinking that he was in the commercial crawfish business. No, he just eats him and gives him to his friends. Yeah, that's like a zucchini gardener. Yeah, and it's just like the greatest thing on the plants. We're gonna hear all about how to have how to have your on crawfish pond. It's a it's a hobby. It's just uh, we enjoy eating it and it's something for me to do. I was a commercial shrimp all my life or you were, Yeah, that's what I did all my life, a big trawl of working their golf and when I got out of that, I had to find something to do. So you started carbon ducks, carving decoys starring an Alex harmon flies and raising crowfish. It's a renaissance man, I've ever heard. Yeah, and you you uh won some competitions for decoy carbon then just quit. Yeah, it got boring. It's just I didn't. It wouldn't stimulate my mind enough. It was always the same routine carve painting, and uh, I've been in art all my life that it didn't do it for me. I had to find a different form of art to keep my mind stimulated. What do you want too right now? The flies? Yeah, tying an alex salmond flies for display. Yes, everything is for display that I tie every flying tie is one of her coin it's framed. It's collect as that buy my work and I tie on hundred year old hooks. The tensils and chilks I used date from around nineteen. Yeah, it's uh, I'm gonna have to show you. Just uh, pull up my name on Google. Tell everybody how to because people at home can do it on their phone. Right now, go to Google and type been bud gidry and no one's gonna know how to st g g u y d r y b b u d. There is bud images. If you get a sense of what he's getting for one of these, let me know. I don't want to make him feel awkward. Two hundred Yeah. Like an art, it depends on the crawfish farming. Like if I have a fly I've done and it's been published, process a lot of higher Um, I'll have work on display at the Smithsonian Institute, No at all, four National Zoos. When you're walk in front the Corey Bustard exhibit. That fly that's in that big acrylic deals, that's mine. I did work for the Smithsonian. Yeah, who are you man? When I steal this boat tied up in it? Take this guy out and take this guy. Yeah, rant ransom off draw the flying Uh because every piece I dues unique. Yeah, it's it's not the same routine. So it stimulates. My mom keeps me on it. So I want to I want to cover off on this too, because I feel this is very like this is kind of like a test of the culture here where we're at um. Ronnie talking about how you and Bud, like you've known Bud your whole life. Yeah, I've known Bud my whole life. I mean does everybody around here, You guys are all sort of or been here long. Yeah, we're family and like unrelated. Budd's close cousins Mr Chris and his son Kade. Me and Kate were best friends growing up. So when I first thing I did when I got home from school was id topping my full wheel cut across the pasture the Cade's house. And then we go find Bud, and Bud would bring us do all kind of cool stuff. We go, we go, frog in, we go fishing, crawl, fishing, whatever, depending of what was going on that time. We're chomping up the world right here, he's right here, are you're sitting next door? You're the frog champion in the world. Oh my god, butting frogs. But that would put me in All right, Okay, we're gonna get back to the crops. We gotta do a couple of things. We're gonna get back to the crawfish pond. We gotta cover off on a little. You just gotta hang tight. But comment if you feel like you need to comment. We had a couple of news items. You gotta go through, uh, two little things. I don't like hacking on vegans man at all. It's not my thing to hack on vegans. God bless him. But this guy rolled in with an interesting picture where he's in Honolulu and he sees a restaurant called Vegan City. It's called Vegan City, plant based comfort food. But above the bar is a big TV and they're all watching Meat Eater. So I thought it was cute. I love I love to just as Here's another one. This is good. This is like this guy is talking about the coolest vegan he knew. Um. When this guy was in school. They were at the University of Iowa. There's a class you can take at the University of Iowa. I would have taken the ship out of this class called the history and culture of hunting in America. The instructor had a friend who was had been vegan, but made it their thing that they eight road kill because it's like it's dead, it's dead by human cause, would otherwise go to waste. And they would eat a possum, squirrel, raccoon, coyote, deer, didn't matter. Huh. Lived down road kill back in college of eating a little bit of real kill. Oh yeah, it's not a vegan. You guys date road kill because that you need anything that moves pretty much. My favorite was that my favorite vegetable is boiled crops. I'm with you. Uh, it's kind of a weird deal out of Pennsylvania right now. That's that's from Pennsylvania. So he's gonna talk about this. Do you want me to lay the groundwork? Lay the ground man? Okay, as people know, as people know, I don't know if you know if this or not, but it's interesting to know everybody's familiar with police have to do warrants. Yeah, okay, Like for instance, right now, for policeman's driving by. He can't just decide to come in here and see if we're in here doing illicit drugs, right He can't be like, yeah, I don't know, there's people in there. Maybe I'm gonna barge in and see what they're doing. And he can't sneak in here and hide behind the Christmas tree over there to see if someone does something bad, because he did, he probably cause and all this. Game wardens and any states have long held like a special privilege where a game warden can go on to private property and do investigations, do steakouts, sneak around, go to your tree stand, check your license without probable cause, without any kind of warrant. Some fellers in Pennsylvania are bent out of shape. They got a hunting club and they had some wardens come on to their hunting club and give them some citations. They're not challenging what the citations were about. They're challenging that that person they got some libertarian attorney, and they're challenging that it's unconstitutional for a warden to have the ability to go onto private property without without do it, to do warrantless search. Yeah, lay out some of the cultural implications here, Seth. Seth sounds that thinks they sound whiny. Well, I I almost like, I don't know, there's there's a whole. There's like one very much one side of the story here, Um, the side of the people who are not happy because they got tickets. Yeah, like, it doesn't. It doesn't say what they got tickets for. It does. You're wrong on well, it goes down, it goes they got it. There's two citations, honey, without a license, having a loaded gun in your vehicle. Okay, I missed that part. The Horneck went on acense. So they're saying that dude had no right to come on our land anyway. Well, I guess, well he did, because it's long that he's well, okay, they're they're challenging his right to do this. I don't know. I like growing up in Pennsylvania. There's so many people that were anti game commission right, oh buddy. And typically I won't say everyone, but I'd say those people were anti game commission because they were doing a legal ship. Mhm hm hm yeah, strong words, Seth. Most of the time awarding the only anti game commissioned person I know in Pennsylvania has related to you closely the oddly enough for this oddly enough what you just said. Most people that don't like warrings here, it's because they were caught you're doing something illegal or aren't they breaking the law? Yeah, well that might be the same reason. People may be the same, Yeah, I think, I think. Yeah, yeah, we're kids driving around. If you saw a policeman you turned to the radio down and everything and everybody sat up real straight and stuff. You just felt like you were doing something bad. But let me let me give a cup more details. What it's called is open fields doctrine um the game ward's ability to like like for instance, if a game ward. We're talking to a game ward one time and he was, I'll bring this up. This is an interesting story. He was explaining why he was leery about suppressors because he was saying, I rely on the sound of gunshots. Then he went on to say it's hard for him to finish a night of bowl hunting on a day off. He said, every time I'm in my tree stand, I'm sitting there and around dark, I hear and He's like, since, depending on the timing and everything, I'm down out of my tree and I'm heading that way. Now, a gunshot would not like you should have gone off for all manner of reasons, but he would you. He would hear that and head off onto the neighbor's place. Right, open fields doctrine, but high courts in New York, Montana, Oregon, Vermont, Washington state appeals courts have begun to strip wildlife agencies of these special powers, arguing that the state constitutions grant greater protections to citizens. We've got an email from a guy, a civil engineer in Pennsylvania who just unrelated to this, a big long, like a big long, very well articulated email about what he feels has become a very aggressive in his tape, in his mind, a very aggressive approach to um game wardening in his state. But again, he had some violations. Yeah, it's just his side of the story. Yeah, the the officer, I'm hesitant to read a letter because I'd have to go and get a letter from the officer about what happened. So it's it's it's kind of like a moot point. But he points to that there's a lot of tension he feels as an increasing amount of tension in Pennsylvania around enforcement approaching tactics. Yeah, and he went on to say on how he feels that hunting is gonna go away in the state because of that. I don't think that that's probably true. I don't think that's true either. I think that's a far stretch. Um, but if a game warden wants to come on my property and he's like, if he's suspicious that something's going on for me, I'd be like, by all means, go do what you have to do. I mean, you're not gonna like, you're not gonna find anything. All I'm gonna do is prove to you that there's like nothing for you to worry about here. Yeah, you know. And the game wardan that they're talking about the I don't know. I don't know if we want to mention his name, but I've guy's checked me two different times in Turkey season, had great encounters with him. That we had someone poaching turkeys on our property, called the game commission. He showed up. He sat in our camp at the table that we'd all sat around. Um, tell the big Elk story. Yeah, this guy is speaking of gunshots. This same guy, there's a bull elk. He ended up scoring like four or sixty right around four sixty something that doesn't even make sense. SI grows massive elk. Anyway, this guy I had, we had trail camp pictures of that bowl on our property. Um he one night there. I think he was like suspicious of some elk poaching going on anyway. Um one night he went up close to our property just at night in September, UM and just sat up there in the dark, listen listening, had listening post, and all of a sudden just heard a gunshot and went over there and found that it's actually a kid that went to my high school, graduated I think a year or two ahead of me. Um had killed this bowl and was cutting the antlers off of it when he showed up. Yeah yeah on private property. Uh yeah, most likely because all it's all private around there. Called him red handed. Yeah. So you've had a lot of adjacency and interactions to this individual and it has not been you're finding that he's coming around busting your balls unnecessary. He's been nothing but helped us. M hmmm. Plot dickens. So plot thickens. I feel like, and I know, like I don't know this guy real well. I just I've talked to him, you know, a handful of times, and all my interactions with him have been great. I feel like he's not going around and harassing people for no reason. I feel like if he has probable cause or you know whatever, you think something's going on, he's gonna do something about it. So I don't know, I think I think you're you're taking these guys got a little chap ass because they got some tickets. Yeah, they're obviously doing illegal ship and they got caught doing it. So they're bitter about the game commission sounds like it thanks with reports. I don't think. Yeah, I don't have a problem with the game warden coming on my on our like our family's property, you know. I always that's That's one of the things I always asked laid On man, is remember when when they had those uh they had some domestic terrorists and they wanted to get into their phone real bad. Yeah, and uh, they couldn't get it. Took him forever. Apple wouldn't let him into the guy's phone, the guy's wife's phone. Part of my mind's like, I don't know, man, have someone to take a look at my phone. I'd just belay here could be board ship. Yeah, I just I don't, I don't, I don't know. I guess I'm just playing Devil's advocate a little bit. I have no problems with you, I see, but like you know, I see the civil Yeah, I definitely see the civility, the sorry, the civil liberties end of it. But I also see that uh that, Um, I don't know, man, I guess I'm comfortable with the distinction between between of someone's like a wardens, right to roam across the landscape. I don't think they're coming into houses and busting down doors like their right to roam across the landscape. UM. Doing that sort of work feels different to me than then saying okay, So then if that's true, police can just enter your home when they want for no reason. Like I just don't. I don't feel that there's the probability of a ton of confusion there. I'm curious about what the optics would be if they didn't have any citations drawing on like they did have a license, they didn't have the gun, would they still have the same opinion about the game warden coming on their property. They probably forgot about it very quickly. I can see if a game warden was like had a strong feeling that. For instance, I'll put myself in this situation. If if a game warden thought I was doing something wrong on on my property, and it was constantly harassing me, but constantly not not finding anything, but still like constantly harassing me. Like first day, opening day of deer season. He like at first light, he shows up my tree stand. Like, I could see getting pretty irritated about that. Yeah, that's a good point. Nothing's turning up, but it was making your life hell because of some unfounded suspicion. I could see that being very frustrating. But I just I've never experienced anything like that. I have a hard time, a hard time, like believing that a lot of that goes on. If they're not finding anything and they you know, I feel like they're just gonna move on to other ship. Yeah, try to go right, some tickets somewhere. Yeah. I feel like if if that would go through and they would not allow the game warrants to go without a warrant, I feel like that'd be a huge loss for wildlife because I feel like a lot of people with private land would just take advantage figure that, Oh, I can make my own rules now, Game Warran ain't coming over unless I guess, I guess they get reported. But or dudes that hunt public land and start getting help with more tickets. Be like, dude, all the pressures on us now? Uh, okay, we got a couple of chetakot are you I will? I? Can you quickly tackle all three of these? Chester I was actually coming up with a plan how to tackle them real quick. Okay. Um, so chett, well, let me team him up. Okay. So this is the chettackot section and we find out whether they are chetical or not. Do you like a new one? I don't know who came up with that? Yeah, um the first one. There's three of them here. First one's about your your honeyholes, or you're hunting fishing spots. One guy um was hunting with his ex wife and his father in law. Um or he was hunting with his wife and his then wife and his father and then father in law. UM took him out to his spot and his wife shot a buck of a lifetime. And uh, he must not have liked his ex father in law because he had to throw in there. My ex father in law wounded. Um. I noticed that. Yeah, and that was um. I learned a new word with my wife the r D. I think that that's called a microaggression. Yeah, just the he's like what what what? He wounded one? I'm just telling you he wouldn't, you know. But it's like it's like a little it's a little jam. Yea. So the ex father in law wounded one. Um, but it must have been a pretty good spot because that four years later the guy goes in this spot and there he sees his ex father in law. We left out that they had a divorce, yes, well ex father in all okay, yeah yeah, so this this guy is in there hunting this hunt this spot. And I know we've covered this before. Spots and my take on this, and it's real simple. If some dude shows you a spot, um, especially like a smaller spot, well, just in regards to anything like any spot situation, like, it's always good to ask if you're going to go in there. That's like a very simple way. Here's the thing. Go on, don't don't go on to number two. But I got something to say about number one. All of these things have a bunch of gray area there too. Like I don't know how big this spot is. It could be a giant public land spot. Um. I got to you can go off, go fight, You're right, I agree with you in general. Yeah, if you have a spot and you take your father in law out, and then you get a divorce and he stops being your father in law. I feel the father in law needs to move on and find a new spot because the divorce ended that relationship. But I don't know the details of the divorce. If this guy that wrote in was a flanderer and that behavior led to the divorce, and there was some other ugly factors involved in the divorce, this father in law might not even like hunting. He's just doing anything. You can you ever say a movie in the bedroom, he's just doing everything. Lobster Fisher, Huh, But I wouldn't guess that by the title. Well, it's it's a part of a lobster trap, got you in the bedroom part of lobster Anyways, this father in law kills his wife's ex husband. I kind of ruined the movie. It's in the end, but spoiler. So it might be that he was sticking it to the guy, sticking it to him over something that we don't know about. Yeah, but you do. But here's the thing. In your position as the check at man, you can't be bogged down by all the unknowns. Yes, and here's another lesson on that. For this guy who took the father in law, it sounds like he didn't quite really like him. If you're gonna take someone out to your good hunting spot, make sure you really like him. Make sure they like good buddy, you know, which can you know, things can change, things can change down the road, But just do your do your best to you know, have a good good buddy. You know, I don't. You're a married Manchester. Yeah, I've been married a hell but longer than you, uh in that situation, and it might not be that he could. It might not be that he could. Uh, you know, you gotta be like, there's about there's some politics involved and being married man. Yeah, she's like, well, how come we don't take my dad hunting? Look, let me come on. Oh, I know what you're saying big time. It might be like if someone you know, your wife asked you to do something, you just do it. Yeah. So that's why you have B and C spots. Yeah, there you go. I got just a spot for you. It's not right hunt. Put him in the car, put him in the bring him, bring him to the muck. Okay, another one here next, whether or not the next cheddicker question, So this is a property thing. This guy bought forty acres of land, wanted to have his own little chunk to hunt. Oh no, thirty acres of land um and the back thirty um. And he is got a little confrontation maybe or not confrontation, but his neighbors have uh deer stands set up right on the property line in an old ground blind set up right on the property line. Even mentions that it's potentially on their property just a little bit, but he's not quite sure. And anyways, uh, and he's like, should I confront these guys? Is that wrong? Am I being wrong? Since they were there first? What should I do? We grew up on our property in Wisconsin that is pretty good hunting. Um a lot of deer, especially during big box um running all over the place. Anyways, our neighbors definitely know that, and they set up right around the outside of our property and there's not on our property. But it definitely is kind of like, I don't know, it's a little annoying, you know, because it's like if that guy saw that big back walking on our property line just inside, would that guy be able to hold out and not shoot that deer. You know, it just depends on the person. But there's really nothing you can do there there If they're on their property, Um, you know, they have every right to set that blind up. I would recommend if you have that situation, we don't have any any tree stands set up right on our property lines, just to avoid that conflict. But you know, potentially so. But help this guy out with this question. I know that he doesn't He probably knows that he doesn't have any authority to make them move, but he's trying to figure out how should I feel about them? Sure? Yeah, I mean that's like depends on what kind of people they are, too, Like if he gets to knows his neighbors and they're kind of shysty like if they could shoot a dear, then I would feel a little worried. And you know, I think you should go talk to him. Does it like to say that he knows him? Well, it's his neighbors. He he says, Should I confront them about it? Should I suck it up and avoid it or bring it up to them? And I think if they're your neighbors, you might as well go over there and have a chat with them, because you're living right next time, regardless, I would go over and be like, listen, I see you have a stand close to the property line. Does he have a stand closer there too, No, he's It sounds like he's staying off the property lines. I was gonna say, I'd go over there and be like, listen, if you like, if we communicate a little bit, you let me know when you're hunting that stand. I know it's close to the property line. If you know, let me know when you're hunting that, I'll haunt a different spot, or vice versa. I'll tell you what I think. Maybe I don't know. I'd have to know a little more about the neighbors. You could also go over there and propose a solution. You could say, you know what, really, I could put a stand up and we could sit back to back. Right, you're looking into your place, me looking at my place. No one really wants that. Would you want to agree to a little gentleman's agreement that, uh, we don't put stands within a hundred yards of that Border'll honor that. Yeah, you want a little co op? Yeah, now, I know. Here's I don't want to tell you. I don't want to say where This is because I don't want to embarrass anybody. But I know some folks with the with the property in Texas low fence, this is not a high fence property, and they have a very tightly managed deer program on their property and they've had a lot of problems with these neighbors. Have a parcel that borders there's and they don't have a tightly managed deer program, and that all their stands we're on the edge. Because they knew that they had they were that they had big box um, they Avenge Sleep made a They eventually put a deer fence on one edge of their property, had a buddy do the same thing, put it do their fence just on one They got so tense between them and the neighbors. And I know, and I know from just from hearing from the people. I know his perspective that they did share with the neighbors here like here's what we're trying to accomplish here with like a deer management program. Um, you know, let's try to work together on it. Um. But they just felt they're being a little bit taken advantage of and that was their solution. M Interesting. I had a buddy and they have a ranch over in the King's Ranch in Texas, and they have the same issue that their neighbor on the bordering side. It was putting up stands and um guiding hunts to shoot the bucks coming off of the bow only ranch. So they were real strict on their management, you know, certain only certain hundred fifty plus inch deer being shot with a bow. And that guy was putting a hunter, a different hunter every day in that stand on the border. And they did the same thing. They put up a deer fence and cut them off with the just just a high game fence on one side the border, just to keep those deer from going to that dude that guy at him just killing them all, Okay. Chadic at number three, Jack at number three. This guy lives in California's Sacramento Valley between two mountain ranges. He says, it's let's just say it's not San Francisco. Bear hunting was outlawed ten years ago with dogs. You can't run bears with dogs out there anymore. Um. And this guy was out bear hunting one day and he ran across a couple of pickup trucks with some guys with dogs, and uh, the guy said, they made it clear that they weren't hunting, they weren't after bears with these dogs, But sounds like they're probably clearly houndsmen training dogs, training dogs, which I would have to do some research on this, Like I don't know what the laws are for running dogs, you know, for training purposes during bear season in California. It sounds like there could be some illegal activity going on there. I already, but I'm not a percent sure on that. Anyways, these guys are, you know, let their hounds out, and this other guys trying to bear hunt legally. Um, and you know, dog it's kind of obviously blowing his hunt because the dogs are barking three ridges over. Um. He just feels, you know, that it's not not right or not ethical to be doing that during bear season. Um. He says he hates to report people, but laws are lodged. Laws are laws, and I don't by bus. Um. So it sounds like this guy thought these guys were running bears, is what what I gather from this, which obviously is illegal. So I mean, I'd have to just research this one more because I don't know, can you run do you think you could run dogs? During bear season just for training purposes. Uh. I don't know the answer to that. Yeah, Uh, if it is that you can. It brings up this question that we've had people right in about before. Remember when Kevin Murphy got harassed by archery deer hunters for hunting squirrels because they felt that their activity, they felt that archery hunting deer, their archery hunting of deer, was more important than his hunting of squirrels. He was actually in Michigan, so he got harassed by bow hunters who were mad that he had the audacity to be out hunting squirrels during the white tail rut. Yeah, and he thought that was some bullshit. Yeah. I mean, every everybody has right right to do to use the landscape, like if they're if they are filling the law. Do you not go do certain things because other people are doing certain things. I'll point out that, Um, just recently, when I was home visiting my mom, I was taking the kids out squirrel hunting, and I was aware and cognizant of the fact that it was firearm deer and I didn't wanna like go into places where a truck was parked because some guy was hunting deer and I felt like me coming through with all my kids hunting squirrels would have been a little I don't know, it felt a little rude to me, So I would I kind of like stuck to stuff real close to the road and whatnot because I don't want to blow something. Dudes, deer hunt. Was I allowed to do it? Sure? Yeah? I think communication Like if these guys are legal and able to run dogs during during bear season, I think, um, communication would be huge there. So these bear these you know, houndsmen aren't ruining this guy's bear hunt. Try and send him another way, and the actual bear hunter had the other way. But yeah, I gotta note a little more about what's going on a couple more things on hound hunting, because you know, the whole Vermont thing, right, Like we covered that dude in Vermont. I think it's gonna come on the show. I think we're working on the gold Shaw farm dude. And he made a very good YouTube video like a rebuttal. We came after him pretty hard. He made a whole YouTube rebuttal. The guy's driving this petition to end hound hunting or a change hound hunting. Someone rolled into like a little bit of the story that that I didn't know about, because there was this very publicized case from two thousand eight teen in Vermont about the tension between hound hunters and the non hunting public. A there there this thing got a ton of attention where a pack of hound hunters dogs apparently attacked this couple of walking in the woods and attack their dog pretty good, and it went out a long time. The people got bit, their dog got bit, and that caused a lot of uh consternation about to what degree are these hounds under control? Because these people it sounds like I don't fully understand it. It sounds like this attack on them and their dogs went on for like ninety minutes. Jeez. In the end, the hound hunter walked away with five points. I don't know how the point system works, walked away with five points on his license and a couple hundred bucks in the fine. And people are pointing out that if you were in a county park, if you were in a city park and your dog came up and bit some people and attacked the dog for ninety minutes, your dog be euthanized. But people felt that this dude walked with a slap on the wrist and certainly did not have his dogs under any kind of control for them to be able to chase these people around for ninety minutes. That is bizarre. Again, Man, two sides of the story, I think. Man, I love hound hunting, absolutely love it. I want hounds of my own someday. Um, there's always conflicts with hound hunters and the general public. I just need to be like very responsible about it. I think it would end a lot of problems. Here's nothing to just happened in Vermont, kind of the rus oude of the coin. You know, we always talk about the right to hunt laws and whatever happens. Well, some hound hunters we're out uh Groton State Forest. Okay, they're they're tracking a black bear and the bear goes on to private property. Okay. The hunters legally enter the woods from Buzzy's Road it's called, and they retrieve their hounds. So they're in there within law because they go to get their dogs, but don't kill a bear out of the tree. Leave the bear in the tree, get their hearts, their dogs, get back to their truck, and there's two ladies. They're letting all the air out of their tires. Then one of these ladies releases a German shepherd hurt. Let's hurt German shepherd out, which then gets into a fight with the bear hunters hound and beats the hound dog up bad enough where it needed veterinarian care. The women got fined, found guilty in court. The bear hunters were acting awfully. She was acting unlawfully. Sons, legit to me, she's shotting that turned those dogs loose. That chap right, you shouldn't let their other tires. Well, no, I mean, if if the hunters were following the law, she had no right to do what she did. I could see when the courts. I mean, we're all sitting here and probably we'll all agree she was wrong. I think so. Yeah. I don't know about that state, but in some states they the houndsman probably could have legally killed her dog. Mm hmm. Yeah. There's gotta be some kind of formal animal cruelty to to make your dog attack somebody else's dog. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I have my property in Mississippi and where we did hunt. We still hunt only but we have neighbors that hand hunt. It's a constant problem. You guys get a lot of disputes. I tried to avoid it, but the others around us that it's gotten serious. Lord, really serious. Grant Uh. I can be sitting at camp and at midnight you hear a bunch of hounds chasing the deer on my property. They'll run their dogs in the evening and the dogs will run off, and the hunters don't retrieve their their hounds. So the dogs are staying in the woods all their lawn, chasing deer all around my property. It's it's a hard thing to swallow when you know you're dedicated to still hunting. You you're trying to manage your property for still hunting, and you got and look at hounds. We see them in the morning with their collars, they come to the we feed them. You can tell some of them are starving. They all have callers with the owners names on them. Um, it's a constant, it doesn't stop. It's cons that if I was a hound hunter, I'd take a two pronged approach. Man. I would be fighting like like, fighting like hell to protect my rights as a hound hunter. And I would be fighting like hell to like to have a buttoned up program and avoid conflict with other hunters. You know what, you have to understand a dog. He doesn't know what a fence line is. He can't read it, keep out saying, I mean it's in his nachere to run. He'll cross property lines. And and I can understand a dog running five ten miles. It's hard for mental and foot to keep up with a dog running through hilly territory. So I can. I can deal with the occasional hound running around my place at night, but it's constant. It doesn't top there was a problem. What's the benefit of of running hounds aside from actually like what what do they get out of it? Besides the exhilaration of actually owning hounds and hearing that and chasing a lot of areas. That's the only way to effectively hunt bears, beder hounds, lions. I mean it's like a traditional youth practice, man. You go, I mean people were, people were you know, like this is a little known thing. You go back like Daniel Boone, Okay, that's how they hunted bears. Yeah there there if you go reader even up into the hundreds, like the Cherokee Choctaw. I mean they hunted bears with dogs, going back it's a traditional youth practice. And I'm asking the question to somebody who has very little insight into hound hunting, like this is all very new information. And so it's been kind of really interesting to hear this conversation go on because we used to hunt rabbits with beagles. Yeah, and it's always like it's always you know, so you got people to do one thing. I feel like I've told the story hunter times. I'm not gonna tell it again. People tend to think that what they've always done is dead on balls, right, and that what everybody else does is bad. So you've got guys that hunt birds with dogs, and that's that's the kind of stuff you make paintings about and hanging your house. But the guy that hunts something else with the dog, that's the savage. You know. It's like you shouldn't be able to trap because what if something happens to the dog that I use to kill stuff that I like to kill. Mhm. It's just you know, people are there's a ton of tribalism. There's a ton of tribalism. And before, like before I had such a before I had the luxury of being around, traveling around throughout the country so much and being exposed to all the different hunting cultures that exists in the country, I was guilty the same stuff. I was like, what I do is very right. I you know, I we hunt dear the right way and everyone else does it the wrong way. It's just this very like provincial attitude. I think it's got a lot to do it what you were raised in too, sure to generations. You know, the grandparents brought their kids. I'm runting a certain particular way. The grandkids learned how to find out where, and it's a mind said that this is the way to do it. I think the only like when when weighing all these things out, I have found and this is after this is what where I've arrived after spending um many many many days and hours like sort of like looking at these controversies, um, I feel that there's two things that there's like two sort of aspects of all the stuff they need to be considered. I put an enormous amount of weight on traditional youth practices, and I put a lot of weight on resource allocation, meaning if you could come and say that a certain activity like hound hunting for bears is as conducted is detrimental to black bear populations in the long term, Like you're on an unsustainable path. Uh, then that's a conversation that needs to be had. How are you gonna how are you gonna rectify that? So you have a traditional youth practice like hound hunting with bears, it's something that people have always done. So we're gonna honor that traditional use up to the point where someone can look and say, you're on a bad path from sustainability. And the way that's usually the way that's usually handled is through resource allocations, like what what what part of the pool of black bear tags are going to go to that user group? Um? With the emerging technologies that have a different attitude about it, because emerging technologies haven't haven't yet entered traditional use practice. So someone's gonna come and make the case that, like like using thermal night vision stuff, Um, what are the implications for game management? I think that that's a much more fair question to ask because it's an emerging technology without a culture built around it. It's not a traditional youth practice. Let's weigh it on its merits as it emerges, rather than going back and telling people that have been involved in some activity for three hundred years that we've now decided that what they've been doing for three years sustainably is no good anymore. I agreed. You know. Let me just say it's like one approach of many, but it's kind of how I tend to look at the stuff. I want to talk about this damn crayfish pond though, I want to talk about it too, because you said it was yours. Okay, layout like like uh layout for me? Um? How one like the process of making a personal crawfish pond. I'm gonna try to say crawfish out of difference bulldogs and an escavena and five days I was pumping water into it. So you dug that hole was a needy. What we did We brought in an asked cavena and dug a keys set about six ft down. What's that word? Um? We dug about six ft down a bucket wide to create to break the soil. Turn cut any avenues that the water could see through, because here we have a lot of the top of soil we have you have you're you're running into a lot of veins of water running just a few feet deep. So we gotta break that. We have to cut that. So we cut a key way six eight feet deep, bucket wide. The dimensions of the pond. You're gonna build the perimeter all in yards. Tell people what the dimensions of this crawfish pond. It's too weir because it's five five ft long, a hundred fifty foot wall. Um, so we build a key way. You're just digging and you and you swinging the bucket around and dumping it right back. You're dump in the dirt right back into the key way. You just want to break that if there's any channels that water is running, because you're gonna lose water. Then a bulldozer comes in removes about a foot of top soil where all the grass is growing. You gotta get that out of the way. Then you just keep pushing dirt to build your levees. You can't have any grass. That's why you remove that top soil. You can't put that grass in your level because then the grass the cares and it will form little channels that the water could start seeping through and it will lead the way you leve it. So you get rid of the grass and you start pushing dirt with the bulldozer. Bill you leave it and crank cup your pump and fill it. And uh, I built upon and five days I filled it. Uh, wait in a week and then I dumped the crawfish planting in it. One week after I filled it with water. But how'd you get the rice going in there? Ah? Have to wait the following spring. So you put crawfish in before you start even growing right there? Yes, because I had to get crawfish into the drill into the ground. That was my crop for the Uh what we do? How their life cycle works? And me, I drained my pond in me and I forced a force him. I pulled the plug in twelve hours, drained all the water of the pond. Well, the crawfish is instinct to survive is to drill into the ground. So when I when they feel that water dropping, they start drilling and they drill all on the inside the lever. They're drilling into the ground. And then I leaved upon dry all summer, cut the grass around mid September, planting the rice seed. So the pond. Yeah, I'm confused, now, why do you why do you need the crawfish to drill into the ground, Because they're going to the ground and they've they've been bread, they have eggsam them. They're going to the ground and they span two three months in the ground. Then when the females come out, they're carrying babies under their tail. And when I'll filled the pond, they start coming out the field. Let's let's build a timeline. So like Ronnie's he's raising his hand, go ahead running. So so what the whole point of the crawfish, point of the flooding and the draining is to is to assimilate the river. So naturally occurring, the river would flood in the spring and the crawfish would come out their holes, and then when the river would go back low again, the crawfish would would drill. So you got imitating their life cycle and sort of life history is to deal with this flood, the flooding and water, yeah, drying periods and and then we can we can artificially control. So you're mimicking the natural cycle of the flood. Soa what what month do you drain? I drained upon in May in May, so they breed prior to that. They're breeding all some I got crow fits that are drilling right now. And the reason they're drilling, it's because they came out of their holes two months ago, released their babies, their bread, and it's tom to go back in the ground to go through the life cycle of having there's their bread in the all right, so you drain in May. Yeah, they start to drill and their bread already, they're they're drilled before I drink the pond. All the pond is full of water, you'll see there. So they're drilling prior to May. Yeah, you start seeing chimneys all then you drained and it's all spring, and like when do you start to fill the pond again. September September, So all summer when they're just down in the mud. They're down in the ground. Yeah, okay, And then in that time period, that's when you plant your rice. Yeah, well it's dry. Plant while my punds dry. I plant my rice. When the rice gets about eight ten inches high, I'll start flooding. But you said they breed all summer long. So while I'm fishing, the crunfish breeding underground, underground, and the ponds got in the water in it. Yeah, during the summer and up up until they're not breeding. They're not breeding in the hole and the hole they're actually almost like hibernating. But how are they breeding all summer if there's no water. There's water up until me. So more, what do you call the summer march? I think, I think, but I just had had a tongue tied. You may say they breed when when there's water, and once you drain the pond, they're gonna hibernate and they're gonna just incubate those eggs and hibernate in the mud and the ground with the babies. Once they fail, once the water table comes back up, the crows say, oh it's time to get out. They come out, and then they release their eggs. So, yeah, they breed in the spring, and then once the water table drops, they drill incubate those babies, staying in their whole water comes back up, they come out and they spill there In the dry time, the rice gets gets planted. Yeah, September, it starts to grow right September. You float again when it gets somebody, it just high. I start flooding and I follow the rice and then and then they come out release their eggs correct and then that's when the life cycle. Then days from the time they come out and they release their babies Uh, biologists, they're figured about naughty days for baby crawfish to reach maturity to be able to harvest it. And then all winter long they're in there feeding on the rice. Well, the baby is actually feed on the microorganisms that grow the algae that grow on the rice stalks, and they will feed on that as long as possible. When that food sources depleted, then they'll start eating vegetation like rice and whatever the grass is growing in there. Vegetation is not a crawfish's main diet. They they'll feed on tiny organisms or whatever. If you pull one of those rice stalks out, you'll see it's, uh, it's all full of algae and that's what they're feeding on. This dominy here and being in the ponds are so shallow. If you, I mean you theoretically could keep it flooded longer, but the water just gets so hot you'll start killing, your started losing. But in a test one time we ran in my pond, we had what kept the water to what mid June? They June, And when Bud went to pull the plug, he said that one is hot. Yeah, listen at this timent of year. I don't I don't even I don't hardly have a run my pump. You gotta have a lot of oxygen. I'm tests oxygen levels. Um the water is cool, sweat holes oxygen in the spring when that water is gonna start warming up, I gotta pump every day to keep my oxygen levels about four or five. It's are you crawfits? You're gonna die? Are You'll see them crawling out trying to slip. You're go ahead night right off the dark and they'll be all along the one is the edge crawling out. That'll be bailing out to the to the to the water source that you pump into the pond. Ure's things are getting hard. There's a large drainage canal that runs in the back of our property. We call it the forty acre canal. And then uh, like bud in myself, we we on our properties. You dig a large ditch going all the way to the front, and then that's what you used to get your water into your pond. Okay, I got I got more questions, but too, I haven't to do do with this whole drain cycle deal. Do you have to drain it to plant rice? You can't plant, so you can't sell rice in a in in eighteen inches of water. No, but I have a friend across the bay. And then how's a pond. He told me. He throws his dry seed and three or four inches of water. It wouldn't work an eighteen inches of water. Okay, So there's that. And then let's say you never drained your pond, but you kept it at a stable eighteen inches year round, it go to hell, right, most likely like the crayfish production would go to hell. Yeah, we I used to. So the pond, one of the ponds I had was a hundred acre one and it was actually more of a swampy or style pond. It was pond that was not well taken care of. It was just left to be full and flooded. They did have crawfish in it, but it was Yeah, it was not nearly as productive as they say Bud's pond because the fish getting it to it and once to fit the small goggles and the batasas the perch, they the baby crawfish. And in that case also we the bullfrogs took in and the bullfrogs were eating out a crawfish. You could ask Bud in that pond that pond hadn't had no one had done any kind of anything to it in about five years when we took it over, and there were so many bullfrogs in there that we couldn't literally could not make crawfish. And when I say bullfrogs, I'm talking in plus no. The first time we decided to go frog in this pond, bud Bud got there first and he was texting me. He says, man, the frogs are so big at here, they're not gonna fit in the kiss of my truck. Seventy frogs. You couldn't catch them. You couldn't. You couldn't grab him. They couldn't wrap your hand around him to catch them. We don't have to whack them with a paddle. Yeah, you couldn't go and grab one of those frogs. And the cool thing about frogs though, when you hit him with a paddle and knock them out, they have a mechanism that they inflate their their lungs or something some kind of they roll over and they just floating there. Just grab throw them over your shoulder. Watch this my pawn. I flood and chep mbo And I dreamed in me that chart amount of time when I dreamed that pawd. You would not believe the stuff that's that's living and growing in there. Fish I'm talking about brim big enough to eat, blue gill, eels, garfish. And I don't plant any of that in there, just finds its way in there. Yeah, it's always it's always exhilarating when you pick up a trap and they've got a big cone in there, which is which is what it's like a It's like a eel, but it's got little legs. It's it's like actually, let's say a giant salaman there about like lasagni sides like a hellbender. You know what the hell bender is? I'm not sure. So how does that stuff get in there? I have no idea that every year when I dreamed that pond, you would not be to leave what's in there? The fish I think coming through the pumps, like the bram and bull frogs. We catch them in the trap. Well you pick up the trips in there. Um, oh, go ahead, because you got I want you to explain the harvest process now, because you're talking about the trap. So it's a good segue into the harvest process. Well, we real sample, we harvest them and need him. No, but talking you just used you trap them out of the pond. Yeah, I got pyramid traps that we use. We use uh, artificial bait palets fabaite, because we we're not big on that. A lot of a lot of crawfish fishermen use fish um and hayden or pole is fabit. One of the reasons I built my pond. My wife wouldn't need crawfish that and you can smell it. You can tell crawfish that's there's been. Fish use fabait, and we didn't like that. So one of the reasons I built my pond. We use a pallet form fabaite. Crawfish are clean, Uh, your crawfish are bass. We enjoy more about that first month the meat this has a sweetness to it. Later on when the water starts warming up, the flesh changes, Uh, it even tastes different. It the texture and as your crawfish get older. When the crowfish are really young, that's when they're the best. So a run the traps every every day, and my wife and I eat what we can and we give the rest away. That so you give them away all bagged up. You don't make your neighbors and friends come and pull their own traps, A lot of them, A lot some of them, like Ronni likes to bring his son. So I'll tell Ronni, yeah, y'all come, it's more of a stiff having an outing with friends. You know, jump in the board, let's go and we go run the traps, and whatever crowfish we pick up, I give it to them. It's like the kids to bring kids. Man, you wouldn't believe. I mean the kids, I'm having that pond and they I mean, you made their mutt, you know, you bringing two or three up four or five year olds in there, and it's all new to them. And I mean to see the small on their faces. And there are is a little up watching picking up all the crawfish. That's my thing. I mean, I love doing that. So can I play a little just a little bit of antagonists and kind of in this conversation? No, can I come on? You can say something bad having a crawfish pond. So what Bud does in this small in this small town community, and this is what we're at. This is a community gathering place that allows people to get this wonderful resource of Louisiana. And I love that about this pond. But what I want to actually ask Bud about in the crew here is about commercial rice field fishermen out west who have hundreds and thousands of acres of crawfish ponds, right, you know that for a fact, and they make they make a make a great living. In fact, Ronnie said the other day, is that maybe the main source of their income is off that commercial fishing and rice just pays the bills. Right. Then you take the old school fishermen and the chaff flai basin and the spillways that are that are fishing for crawfish wild chaff flay basin crawfish that yeah, that go through the natural life cycle of the swamp and its feet and has no pumps going in and out of it. They're using bait and they're big ripe. Is that the rice field farm and crawf is just killing there, killing their business because the majority of people buy from the rice fields now because of what a lot of what budg just said taste different, the cleanliness from the thing. Now, a lot of people will say, what's the difference between farm and duck and wild duck. You get a different, cleaner, more mild, mellow taste out of farm raised u than wild duck. And then in the same sense stuff, so like, what do you make its own grave? He don't. Did you go walking in my pond? Yeah, it's hard, like it's hard the floor. So I guess, I guess. My whole thing is is that his his pond is a different beast because it's it's something that he does a hobby. It's not a commercial thing, doesn't make money. It's a confusion. Yeah, it's a difference between a garden yea and an industrialized farm landscape. And I'm not condemning that. I'm saying there's a big difference between a garden and an industrialized So you talk to these um basin crawfis the spillway crawfishermen who are wild by the wild crawfish guy, Yeah, you're good and wild crawfish guys, and they're saying, what about us, because these guys out west have thousands of acres of controlled farmland that they're pumping water in an out planting natural seed and then n of Louisianans and all over the country. Now where you can get you can get crawfish express shipped to you and then to day or a cross or rice field crawfish and the spillway guys are like, oh shit, our commercial fisheries are going down the drain because no, we can't harvest near as much as the is the rice fields. Yeah, you know what it's all about this because you made you made the little money symbol where the rice fields start producing. Because it's it's it's like it's gonna search for about a month. The price started dropping, and the price drops right now every year. The crawfish started at about six dollars a pound. Here gonna break up in the spring. This is gonna drop to the dollar when the rice fields are gonna start putting it all. But they're putting out so much volume that they can sell it from the dollars they're still bringing in. And I think the chuff goes, the Chuffali goes killing themselves working trying to catch the wild ones and get and a lot of people. And you're gonna hear people say, no doubt is that there's a difference in flavor size consistency between and they're they're trains of thoughts. I say, wild crawfish now to buds point using that pellet, you're not using decaying fish matter and pokey. That's gonna change the dynamic of what that crawfish tastes like. But I wouldn't say it. It's like buying. Buying spillway crawfish is a bad thing, and they're gonna taste bad. You just have to do a little bit more work to purge them, to clean them, to make sure they're nice and rents so that they do taste good. Because there is something about that wildness personally that does make that crawfish its own thing. I'm not gonna say more special less, it's a different They have a different flavor. Uniqueness personally come from I love fish from the chal It tastes different the crawfish in my pond. I personally love spillway crawfish like I like. I like the change up, you know, because a lot of times you're gonna get your your rice pond crawfish first because you know the river hasn't done this thing yet. The spillway crawfish aren't aren't out there because your rice crawfish pond is gonna come out first. That's just six dollar pound crawfish that you're getting right now in the wintertime. You're not gonna get spillway crawfish in the wintertime. And I find that when the spillway kicks up, the spillway it's where the Mississippi comes or the chap when when when the river comes up, there's some overflows over and far from it. Yeah, it floods the swamps swamp crawfish. Yeah. So when the spillway crawfish spillway, I think of the uh in the middle of a beaver dam. They make a spillway, you know, they believe they don't make it, They leave it there, they unbuilt on. So h So I find like, actually when the spillway crawfish kick in, that's actually actually does bring the price down, which which it kind of sucks for the spillway guys because yeah, they don't get that six dollar pound crawfish to sell. They are selling at three dollars a pound when they when when the spillway comes in, that price is gonna dropped about three dollars because then the original dudes are kicking in there. They're so much crawfish coming on farms, the rice farmers crawfish, and just it's more and more and the warmer it gets, the more they catch. People search out spillway crawfish because they know they can always get rice field crawfish. They search out the spillway like the spillway crawfish. Here buzz kill man. Listen if jump Paul, if he buzz killed me yesterday and he buzz killed me with the same thing. I'm just trying to drop a list, like you know, it's great knowledge. My favorite thing on the plane right now is boot in. Ronnie turns me on to like gas station boot in where he going to the gas station and get boot and wrapped up boot and is like a rice. Here we go. This is all information. This is all next level cultural information people need. Give me an unbiased what boot and is boodas rice sausage traditionally made with pork rice and pork livers. Period, Ronnie. These guys are always walking around in the morning. When I met Ronnie last summer, we're down here spear fishing, and everyone's walking around in the morning where you might be eating the breakfast burrito or or a bacon sausage and egg thing you staid you walk around the sausage tinfoil like a of soft sausage wrapped in tinfoil made out of like meat and rice, and that's what you eat in the morning. Did you put some hot sauce on it? And I'm gonna rig up a thing when I moved down here and start my restaurant called I'm gonna start a restaurant called the Real Cajun, and I'm gonna have a thing that sits. I was explaining this yesterday. It's gonna be a reservoir of hot sauce that bolts to the top of the truck with a drip line that comes down and it hangs right by your steering wheel, and it's got a little squeeze bowlb on it, like the thing you use the prime gas in your boat. And as you're eating your boot and driving around, you can just because you only need each drop. You only get a bite because it's so you gotta, like, see, you can't season the whole damn thing. You gotta season each bite. So with that hose coming down full of hot sauce, take a bite with that reservoir and then you just set for life a syringe with the long needle and you jam it in long ways, oh, and fill it up and squeeze it. As you're pulling out everybody from right now. Then they tried everybody from what the hell are these guys doing putting hot sauce on boot? If you don't do it, they had some good that that's where the story gets good. So Ronnie last Summer turns me out and he's like, go, what's that town? Golden Meadow? Go to Golden Meadow, Go to tea Pops. When you walk in Teapops, they sell like basically three things gas, red Bull, and so we're going there and they got two kinds. They got pork crawfish. Now we see me and Seth patronized the last summer, ate the dickens out of it, and this trip all I've been tom, I was wanting to go back to that damn place and get more of the Boodhan. So we're going to get the boot, and we got there ahead of Gan Paul. We go in, get some eat that, go back in to get more. Some guy comes to get another bottle of hot sauce. Some guy comes in waware in her second run and walks in there and goes, y'all seriously out of red Bull right now. That's want to talk to you. A couple of days are going to your torment we had teep offs right now, that's where y'all are. So then so yesterday we go in buy it. We buy the boot, and Lauren had a bottle of hot sauce with him. Ate that one. I don't know what happened to his bottle of hot sauce. Chester went back in to get more and to get a new bottle of hot sauce. Jean Paul pulls up. He goes in and he's like going in there and he's shooting the ship with the people in there. And he comes out and says, I don't mean to be the antagonist like we just heard him say a second ago. And he said, that's not boot. Is in my turn to comment here to take it away. You can defend yourself. I don't know. I don't need to defend myself. I'm eating Buddha all over this state. I make it a point to go to eat bud and real quick. He pointed out that he said, and I bought two of them too, and I ate two of them too, and I it is delicious that boot and Quota air quotes is delicious. But even the people working there would say, it's more like they actually told me this The people there when you derogated them. I was at because I want to know where it was from, which is from Texas, which explains a lot. Yeah, it's from Texas. And they said it's more like a rice dressing than a traditional boudant, and I said, oh, it's all putting. Now. It is a delicious link of sausage, because that's what it is. I mean boot as a sausage if you put the hot sauce on there, especially so I have never ever seen anybody put hot sauce on Buda. So a bunch of Yankees sending a rent old suburban with a bottle of hot the real Cajun over here with his reservoir idea, and I will promise you that the any Louisiana and that's listened to this podcast right now saying them some bitches there's never been out west, um and out south west southwest Louisiana, and um, you know, there's all kinds of different side. So I like, look, I like tpops Buddha and I'll call the Buddha because that's what they call it. And I'm just I'm just personally saying for the fact, literally a thousands of different brands and types of Buddha and that I've eaten that is the most unlike a Buddha that I've ever had. It is because it doesn't when I go home and say, when I go home and tell people that I've developed a real love for rice dressing done, that doesn't sound like anything, doesn't really pop off that I'm not like a real boot and man and you are. That's not stopping you say so if it doesn't have livers, not Buddha. But what about crawfish Buddha? Is it that not Buddha? Either? I don't like crawford bud or I don't like any of that. I mean, I like it, but it's like, but is it not Buddha? Now at some point is not? Okay? Let me ask you. They make they make cauliflower bud. They replace the rice with cauliflowers that bud. No, why isn't that bood? I guess I call it because he doesn't have rice in it? All look like a vegan. Well they still they still put pork in it. They're doing it because they don't want It's not a vegetarian thing. It's a keto thing, now you know what I mean couliflower in there, cauliflower rice. So I think, so there's I'm gonna go back home. This is your boot here, this is y'allays, this is yallas bud And I'm sure you could win across the street and it maybe have been the more traditional liver Buddha. But I mean to me, in my in my opinion of Buddha is so me, sausage, sausages, just no no cauliflower, no, no rice, just meet in intestine like encasing, yeah, boot and then and then to me, budd is just meet and rice. If there's rice in encasing, that's boodh. In my open rice is what makes rice rice are If you want to use cauliflower, it makes the boodant. To me, what makes it boot and too me, I appreciate that. I'm ready to move on. I know I can go to Tea Pops and get that their boodan and sleep easy calling it boodan. I'm gonna have a very hard time going home and saying that I was eating. But this, this is what I'm gonna do. Three being deceived. Yeah, all three of y'all, y'all gonna send me and I'm gonna send you three different boodants from three different places in three different distinct sections of southwest Louisian Anna, and I don't want to hear if it's better or worse. I just want you to try it. You don't have to give me feedback. I like teapops better, I like this better. I don't care about that. What you like is what you like. I don't give it. I don't even damn you know like. But I'm just saying, listen, man, I'm interested. I'm only I'm hacking on. But I'm Steve very interested in knowing. I'm very interested in all this. But from an outsider perspective. Okay, you go down to you know, this whole thing like you because you're you're you're pretty familiar with like all the cuisines in the country, right, I am. They do all the same garbage about chili in the southwest now southwest southwestern US. This whole like outrage if it's got this in it, outrage if it's got that in it. Right, So, when you live in an area, you get you get like invested in that stuff, but you're not. It seems a little it starts to feel a little academic like I would be like my mom used to make chili and she put kiddy beans in it. And then some guy wherever the hell what part of the country do you then go like, if it's got beans in it, it's not Well, you just said it about hunting. It's where you grow up. And some people think because where you grew up, you think this is the right way, right. But as you grow out and expand your world of hunting or Buddha or of any other thing, it becomes to evolve and say, oh wait, my way is not only the right way. There's other right ways and nobody is right or wrong. In this conversation was brought over to Venice with us rabbit os. That was great. See what in my favorite? I think there's better boots, but it's not my favorite. I want to move on from boot as I want to get into cooking the crawfish, because we left the cooking and I want you to tackle cooking John Paul, But just just out of fairness, I'm endorsing tea Pops. What would you like to endorse if you if if you want, let's say, let's say a listener out there wants to experience sort of like what you would regard as sort of like the baseline definition of boodan, you would suggest that they buy some from who. If you are traveling I TN West and you're going through uh Scott, Louisiana, are anywhere in those parishes out west on I TN stop at Billy's are stopped at? No buddy knew what he was going to stand. Best Stop is great, but there are literally on a cooking program on TV. Best there's literally hundreds of places. I tend you get west of laughing that way you can pick up bootan and every gas station and every little meat shop, and so Billie's is one of my favorites. Best Stop is different, but also good Dons is good, Rabbit is good, New news is good, long as is good g and M meat market. It goes on and on and on um. But I would say this, I love your Teapops endorsement. I'll tell you why, because if you were coming to southeast Louisiana and you're traveling down by La Fush and you're going fishing and poor fouch on a grand ol stop at Teapops at that shell station, stress get you some boot like, because this is bootan here. I wish I was knowing on a tea with that right now, it sounds so good, sounds good, so good. Right in the bottom right they got a chest like a thing door opens from the outside. You serve yourself. Bottom right corner, Yep, the top stupid stuff. Bottom left is bottom left is crayfish boot and which is good? Bot him writes sport bood You tried the crayfish one? Yeah, that's that one's main, Homer asked, crosses boodans main Homa the port Boudins madeen in Texas. Layout for me? Now, how to do a crawfish boil? As we ate last night? That's the one I'm interested in because that was the best I've ever had. And I'm not saying there's not eighty ways of doing it, but I'm talking about, like last night, you did one. Yeah, So I took a little bit of how I grew up doing it and a little bit how how Bud how Bud, and I spent fifteen minutes talking about doing it outside the craw fish ponds yesterday. And so what I did is I basically filled up my pot with water and made a vegetable stock with a lot of onions, salary, garlic, mushrooms and a lot of citrus and oranges, like twenty four lemons cut in half, and like ten oranges cutting half school ease in my hand and put them in the thing. Rolled that to a boil, and um, I added just a little bit of seasoning dry seasoning in the in the water and some liquid. Craball brand. What's your what's your preferred brand? Man, there's a there's a couple of different ones that are really good. Um Loco makes a good um crab boil Chack bass season it makes a good crab ball. Slappy Mom makes a good one. Zataran's is what I grew up with and is what we used last night, because that's what we had. And Um, I used a little bit of the powder, a little bit of the liquid, and I started rolling that to a boil, adding my potatoes and sausage. And I like to get my potatoes about three quarters the way there before I add my crawfish. And what was that sat there? That was smoked richards smoke sausage, and um, then my crawfish go in. Now like these are early in the season. The crawfish hadn't gotten to their full maturity, so they're on the smaller side, so you got to boil them for a little less time we did. Once you drunk dump your crawfish in, it knocks that water down too, you know, down the heating down down below the boil. Yeah, and that and that pot will And that's why you gotta have it that high, that high burning you know, propane burner to really keep that that recovery short, because once that crawfish goes in, it lowers the temperature. It's got to come back up to a boil. Like I said, we balled for three minutes. After that three minutes, I dump a little small bowl of ice in it and I just let it soak for I was soaked for thirty minutes. And that's where this is like the part that this is the part that gets controversial. Yeah, well the soak is a little controversial. And also what I did once I put it in the cooler, I took a and this is kind of where a bud came in because I wanted Sometimes those crawfish seasons can be overly salty. A lot of times they can um so I'll use less powdered seasoning, more liquid boiled than I usually use because liquid doesn't have any salt. Then once the crawfish went into the cooler or ice chest, I sprinkled them with extra salt and a little bit of extra powdered crawfish seasoning, and Lennon let them sit and steam and kind of do their own thing. It's not enough to get all over your hands like a lot of places do in West Louisiana, you know, But but it it lets that crawfish really speak for itself without overpowering it with a whole bunch of seasoning and spice. And when we talked about that, yester uh, for people that love the flavor of crawfish, I just never understood why so much seasoning that it masque the flavor of your crawfish. If you know, I can't see myself heeding crawfish in my eyes are crowing because it's just yeah, I mean, you understand what I'm saying. And maybe it's that, maybe maybe we got used to adding so much seasoning because at some point we were used to maybe spillway crawfish a lot of fishiness on it where people didn't purge it really good. Because that's when you get in those wild crow fish. You have to purge, and so maybe purge wild crawfish because we used to pull the mud veins on them, so you don't find saltwater kills them. I like to just so this is my my purging method. I take ice chest or or a big bucket and I'll put them in a champaine or a basket. Put the crawfish in a basket in the water, and I put a hose pipe in there running and just circulate that water until that water becomes clear. How many how many hours? That take? Minutes? I mean with rice with those crawfish doesn't take and it takes I mean probably one or two fill ups and it it's it makes like I'll fill it up the first time, letter over for a little bit, pull the crawfish out, dump the water, and that water is gonna be dirty, dump it, put them back in, fill it back up. At that point water is gonna be a little bit clear, starting to get clear. And then one more time and that water is crystal clear you can drink it. It's at that point that's when I feel my crawfish are ready to go in the pot. And that's for the wild crow of fish, rice rice praw fish too, don't get me wrong, I've gotten fishy rice pinn crawfish because it's not a spillway. Crawfish aren't fishing because they're in a spillway. They're fishy because they're using fish for bait. I mean, ways, I don't spell away guys. They use pellets for bait, and there's no fishing as to them. I mean, that's more about what you're using for bait. A lot of people use fish early in the year because those those pellets take in the cold water take a lot longer to dissolve. So fish brings those crawfish in fast, like come Good Friday. When I used to sell crawfish, I would use I'd use fish or or beef malk with the pellet. To get that fast, I could run my traps twice a day. Verse you sell a lot of a lot of crawfish on Good Friday. Good Friday is the like the pinnacle of crawfish. Everybody everyone around here is Catholic, or for most part are Catholic. It's very, very predominant religion around here. So the thing is you don't eat metal. It's kind of like it because on part of a tradition to have be that death and then like like Good Friday is like the day that everybody gets together with their families and boils seafood and eats seafood, and and at that time of year, a crawfish are in the height of their season. Like that is like the the pinnacle of crawfish season. They're not they're still that they're not fully mature where they're red hard and hard to eat and you know, but they're not that little baby crawfish. They're just right perfect in the middle is just that perfect crawfish. That's and you've got spillway, you got rice and look spillway crawfish. I've seen dirty rice pine crawfish. I've seen clean spillway crawfish. Spillway crawfish tend to be a little more muddy or sometimes just because they've they've been in that swampy mud, so you may have to give them one additional rents down. But I like the perjursa built crawfish more for what it's what they're eating, because the crawfish has been eating fish. When you go to suck the head fat out, you get that yeah, got that fishy, you'll smell it. Kick uh Jehan Paul quick hit the the soak. What's happening during this so the soak, it's the crawfish are gonna float when they boil, when they're done, they they're they're gonna be sitting at the top of the water. And the soak is when you add that ice and let them sit, they start to absorb all that liquid and become you know, they're not boiling anymore. That water goes into the head cavity, into the tail cavity and they sink um and how to hit like an equilibrium with and I like, I like juicy crawfish. When I suck the head, I want to get all that interior fat and the juice from the broth. Which makes purging the crawfish that much more important because they're sitting in all the water they've been boiled in for thirty minutes, just soaking all that in. So if you don't purge it, you're gonna be soaking in dirty, nasty, seasoned and salty water but not clean. Fine, you get a grittiness to them too, like if you don't like, if you don't purge them, sometimes that'll be will be the soak will make them juicier will also make them more seasoned because they're taking in that liquid, you know, from that silk. Another thing too, with the with the shock. I find the shock helps with the peeling and when you hit them with that, it makes that that that the tail meat separate from the shell. Got it. And the soak, I think soak does the same thing as well. To put salt in the water that you're baled him in, I put a little bit. You see, I don't put salt at all, because I find if I had salt at the water, they don't peel as good. I just put a little bit of the the powdered boil, not any And I'll ball crow fish three minutes and you don't do a soak. Yeah, but fun about turn a seconds to man it and I take I just take all the basket. Wait about a minute, just that slide cool down. I'll take that basket and put it back in the same pot. And they all sank that every one of them will sink when they do that. It's because they're sucked up. They got it, was shocked, and they suck up the seasonings that are in your water. I'll leave them in about that second deep turn the seconds a minute and I pull them out and that see it, And we don't. We cook a lot with crawfish meat, so we don't over salty or overseason them. Because when I make an example, my wife makes a crawfish freakacy m hm uh. I don't want to sit there and need and it it tastes like I'm eating saut of ran scrab ball. I want to I want to point. I want to eat the crawfish. Can taste the flavor of those crawfish. Crawfish to fear another and look, any fancy restaurant in the city, you can walk into an auto crawfish had to fear. Do you know that you're you're not gonna walk in one of them and eat and it tastes zataran scrap ball or whatever. When you walk into a grocery store and buy a pack one pound pack of crawfish tails, and you can buy Louisiana crawfish tails, but you can also buy Chinese. You buy the Louisiana crawfish tails. When you open it and taste them, no salt, there's no seasoning, it's just a natural crawfish and you use that to cook to get that you understand. So when I when I cook crawfish, we're only cooking for me in my wife. You could you're cooking for a secondary use, not just the boil. Yeah, I'm heeding them for me and my wife. But then I got twenty pounds, I got a peel, and I have a commercial vacing packing machine. How long you been married? A hundred twenty three years? Next year reincarnated what's y'all? What's you'all pay you on? Freezing? With the fat? I do because I'm fat tail fat, the fat though, the yellow fat. Oh yeah, as much as I can, I'd keep you where. Yeah, you can't leave it. You gotta lose it within three or four months. I'm not gonna leave crawfish and my freezer for a year. We eat, we eat it twelve months off here we're cooking. We crawfit. So it doesn't it doesn't stay long enough in my freeze that I get Ran said, Okay, do you know what it? Just you gotta if you're if you're planning on keeping some longer. You pulled the gut line. That's what we do a lot. Ran ranch them good with fresh water and then pack them and you can keep on a wall. Okay, Ronny you ready, Yeah, what you got, We're gonna move on. The last thing we're in the cover today is potentially my new favorite way to eat ducks. Walks through it the routie teed, but you down on it. That's the way we were. We were raised on that. My grand my grandmother. Listen, this is gonna blow your morning. No listen, I'm listening. Recently, the building got knocked down. I can go short to you, Hurricane Ida. That was my grandmother's building. She would clean duck in and up until ot of knocked it down. She died in nineteen seventy six. You walked through the door and there was still duck fellers and the spotty webs in the ceiling. It was not a lot of people taught that. It's why we knew so much about duck hunting in my family. A lot of people thought market hunting in that in the thirties. My grandmother was still cleaning ducks in the seventies from three or four or five ducks are there in front of God. What I'm telling you, and all the game wars knew about it, and not once when she have a bonded they never came and they could have came there and not once. Then added her. She did that all her life. She would she'd save all the brass feathers and in the summertime my grandfather would put it in some long tubes and draw it into yard. And then in the fall my grandma would make pillows down. I still got a down pillow from my grandmother. There's a spoonbill head in the pillow. Have it? You're kidding me? I guess a dug head fell in the pillow and they never found it. And you can feel it. It's a spoon bill. I've been sleeping on it since Tom six, seven years old. That's that's my grandmother. And she liked to cook the root heat what's that word to get? That's the way the height. What's the dish called. It's a French word. It's it's a French word for roasting. It's just slow cooking. You're brown it out. A little water comes back that it's just grease out a little water and you just cooked for hours. Out a little water, bring it brown out a little water. In a black pot correct mostly black potter magnetite pots, you can really scrape the bottom we call that. We'll do that with Doug with our deer rules. Be frolls when a pork rolls rooted anything real negative? Stay about this, John Paul, Why am I being portrayed person? So I'm just giving some perspectives. He's like, yeah, let me know. I love that routine. I love that. So the routine duck traditionally, like budd said, you're gonna you're gonna brown it, I like to I like the you gotta back up, okay, because here's this, it's very important for people to know. Okay, I got a dead duck land there, all right, you getta getta walk the three your three stage fucking method. Just shot it. It's okay, it's still flopping, all right, just stop flopping. Just finished ringing his neck ring. Sorry, So I got you the fresh killed duck. Get back to the to the camp. What I'm gonna do. First thing, I'm gonna cut the wings off at the joint, because I don't like, you know, if you don't first joint, don't have the first joint, you're not cutting it off with the body, but the first yeah, the first joint out. You still got that elbow. Yeah, at a sailboy, you cut them at the eilboat. I like to cut them at the joint because I can't stand when I got those sharp bones poking into the small pellets, you know. So I cut him at the wing joints, and I'm gonna give them a rough pluck. You know, I'm not gonna focus a lot on those wing feathers because they're really hard to get. I'm gonna get all the breast feathers off, back feathers off but falls off, most of the leg feathers off, and then once he's pluck, when yeah, plucked, and then I'm gonna get get my water to a rolling boil. I'm gonna get a small, small crawfish spot and I'm gonna boil the water. Once I got that water boiling, i'm gonna take that duck and i'm gonna dip them for ten to fifteen seconds. And once once I'm done dipping, pull them out and I'm gonna dry them with an old towel, get them nice and dry, and then I'm gonna then remove the rest of those big feathers, which they'll come off. Yeah. The boiling is gonna open up those pores and and allow those, especially like in particularly wing feathers comes off real easy, and everything that would have been a pain in the everything there in the painting ask comes off the plug a chicken, yea factory hot water. Yeah, let's rub it off. So and then once once we do that, I'm gonna so if if I'm at my house and I don't have to keep a head or a head on the head on, I'm gonna go straight to the d bowing process before you burn it. Oh you got me? And what's your after the boiling process, Once you got your ducks all nice and pretty, you're gonna gree am. I'm gonna take the hot water off, and I'm gonna use that burner and I'm gonna hold the bill and the leg and I'm gonna pass that that duck through the fire just for a few seconds each burn all those little hairs off. Any other rain maybe feather I missed or something. I don't know what the hell those little hairs on a duck or called. I don't know, but you have a I know like so I know like of the pin feather, the pin feather. That's another thing that that's really good about boiling is the pin feather comes out really easy. And I like to take a knife in my thumb and that's a good trick and feather between your knife blade and your thumb. We call we call it the pin feather. A pouss on, didn't It wasn't Kid's grandma. They used to hearn. Her nickname was pouss On because she used to pull all the pouss on out. Pew. Okay, Kid's grandmother's nickname was pew because she used to shoot her good was to pull all the pin feathers out. Um. So yeah, so once you got the pin fails out, going to create that duck. And then once once you create them, you're just gonna give him a little slap, slap around, pat off those those that that burnt hair off then like so, and at this point it looks like a beauty, beautiful you you ain't You're not ever going to see a more beautiful duck that's been just been boiled and create. I mean that's just yeah. You put that shot on the front of Better Homes and Gardens man one of them. So so if like I said, I, if I'm at my house, I'm gonna go straight to the de boning process, because that way I gotta stick my hand up in the cavity to pull the guts out. So what I do is, I'm gonna take the duck like I showed you, and I'm gonna split right down the breasts. I'm gonna come around the wing joint, around the back of the duck to the leg joint, and then you get those halves of ducks like we had. And then once I've got the two house, you've got that that body core, the boneless breast, full wing, full leg correct every edible thing is off that duck. Everything. There is not a piece of meat left on that duck. So now i haven't gutted them yet. So what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna make a slit under the breastplate and I'm gonna pull that breastplate up, opening the hatch. Opening the hatch, the heart, the liver, and the gigs thats gonna be sitting right there and you just pull them out, put them to the side, and I'm gonna do all my ducks like that, and then I'm gonna come back to the to the gizzer, which we call it a and um, I'm gonna cut on each side of that silt sack. And I'm gonna have two pieces, two little nut gives a nugget. That's nur trick I learned from you. Yeah, because I had to go through all the hassle open the sun's bitches up and scraping them and scraping them. But then I wind up with exactly what you wind up with. Just cut it off, just like a stupid I had no idea. I wasted so much time. Same here, man, like, I wind up with exactly the same thing. Yeah, maybe you lose no meat, and then no, you want up with with I don't know what I was doing, Yeah, And then it makes much I like. I like. I like to reward my dog after a good hunt of you know, she's she's she does more work than any of us out there, so I like to give her. I'm not a big liver fan. I'll feed her the livers and uh, I give her the gizzard corpse and uh and the and the trips and how many ducks have you and I cleaned together? So we shot some shot some gallan new. Would you do the same thing with gallan New? What you mean I mean that same process? Or is it so the Gallanu. I like to start by cutting the wings off, and then I'm gonna slit their throat and put there's a where their crops at. You got a lot of skin. I gave it a little slit. Peel that skin a little bit off the breast, and I'm gonna stick my finger down the I guess where the wishbone is. I'm gonna pull the head and pull the wishbone, and that breast is gonna come out nice and pretty. And like I said, if I'm in my house, I don't need to leave a wing. So by cutting those wings off, the skin just peels right off and you get a perfect breast, no feather's no clean up. Let toss that in a bucket of water and then just like with then handed to Chester the d braster dude, I will say about those gallon new wholely cow. Yeah, it's a good bird I'd rather eat. Yeah. And the thing too bout that Argalls does from y'all tarking American. Oh Yeah, very similar. So and another thing back to like when gonna pull the breasts out that way, just like the duck, It's like when you open that hatch, there's the gizzard the heart and the liver just sitting right on top, you know, having the dig through the trips. None of that flips. So so then there you are. You got your duck. Go on, keep keep making the dish. Got your halfs now. Now I've got my two halves in my duck. I'm gonna go and get a magnelite pot or black pot, and I'm gonna put a little bit of olive oil, a little bit of grease, just enough to wet the bottom that way, I don't get a hard stick when I throw it in. And I'm gonna take those I'm gonna take those duck hives, and I'm ana laying fat down on a medium heat, and I'm gonna start to cook that skin down and get as much fat out of that skin to make my grease. I hope people are listening to what you're saying right now, So yeah, I get that, get that that duck. Like listen, I don't I want people understand something you got like your ten Commandments, okay, get like the Constitution, you got like the Declaration Independence, and then you got this recipe. Ship is all sort of like you know what I mean, So listen, so I get those ducks half down, fat down, and I'm gonna brown them down till the just the tops of them start to cook. And the big thing is you do not want to over brown them, because then those ducks arena get real not in hard, and they're not gonna get tender. So as as they get to where I like them brown, I'm gonna pull them out and put them in a metal a metal bowl and get them all that. Once I've browned all my ducks, I'm gonna take my my trinity, my my, my, my onions, my bell peppers, and my salary diced belt. Okay, so it's diced diced bell peppers and Jehan Paul give them give the official ratio. Yeah, I mean I always used like I go one one so more onion to two parts onion, one part bell pepper, one part cellery, and I don't really tell are completely avoid I see a lot. Yeah, but I asked you a quick question. One word answer is fine to three word answer. What ratio do you cook? Rice? M hmm, first joint, first joint. That's how I've done. Yeah, you can cook you apot of rise. It's my dad working off shore. I learned I can cook anything. My dad, I saw my doubt what you're doing. I'm cooking ross or what you? Why you? Why are you sticking your finger? He said, doesn't matter how much trust you put in there. You imagine the water up to that first joint where you touching the ros is gonna come out perfect. Every time I've been doing it for sixty for fifty five years, it comes out perfect. Every time. There's your three word answer. So back to the back to the your trinity. Onions belt, two onions, one part bell pepper, one part cellery, diced up and throwing the Pope's hat, which is a little bit of garlic, a little chop garlic. So I'm gonna throw that into my duck fat grease that I've just made by browning down those ducks. And also with my trinity, I'm gonna throw in my gizzards in my hearts. I'm gonna brown that down, get them, get them onion sweating, and I'm gonna brown down to the consistency I like, which you know, with any anything, you just get it browned down and thickens. And then once I'm to the browning process, I like, I'm gonna take those ducks I'm gonna dump them back in to the onions and give them a little more of a browning down in there. And I'm gonna take that bowl, and the ducks are sitting in a lot of a lot more grease and blood's gonna have to licked out those ducks. And I'm gonna put some water in there, throw that around, dump it in, and then gonna fill the pot up just above where everything's sitting in in some chicken stock and some chicken broth with a little bit of water, and I'm gonna bring it just to where it's above that um there. And so I'm and then I'm gonna bring get that boiling now this so most people would just continue to add as the water would drop or the stock would drop, they'd add a little water out, a little water out of the water. I have three ways that I like to do it. I do it that way where you just add water every time it drops down. Or I'll put it in the I'm adding water when it's on the burner. Um Or I'll put it in the oven for a couple of hours is my second way I do it. And then my third way I do it like if sometimes I'll just sit there. I'll throw it if I if I don't really have a lot of time to cook it, or if I want to eat the next day, I'm gonna take those ducks. I'm gonna throw them in a slow cooker overnight and then then then So the next step is once you either way you do it, you're gonna so you can do the ball down process where you just bail it down, added water, ball down to the ducks are tender and and it's ready. So Ronnie, really, yesterday when we made the recipe for this, we had a we had an extra ingredient that we got from the bodies. Oh yeah, so yeah we didn't. But you don't always have that. You don't always have a lot of times, I'll add mushrooms whenever I don't have gizzards and hearts, just just to kind of imitate that that feeling. But we we actually went out and got those uh those oyster mushrooms champions will the while champions, and we we did add that in there too, So um, that came out really good. Um yesterday I used the oven method because we went out crawl fishing, so it was easy. I just I got it. I got the water hot, took it off the stove, stuck in the oven for two hours while we were crawl fishing. Came back. So with the ball down process, once you're done, once you've got it the ducks tender and the gravy to the consistency, you like, it's done, it's ready to put it over some rice. Um. Now with the slow cooker and the oven method. Once I've got the ducks to the tenderness I want, I'm gonna put it back on the stove and I'm gonna finish off with the ball down method to ball down and get that gravy just to the consistency in the darkness that all light. So then you just let it rip and boil that water off, cook it down, brown it a little bit, get it, you know, get that if it's not if it's because a lot of times when you when you use a slow cooker in the oven, your gravy is gonna be a little lighter. Like last night, the gravy was a little a little lighter than I So you just just roll boil it off there, yeah, roll roll boil, But you don't want to start too heavy, especially because then the ducks will fall apart. So you just want to kind of have brown. Just make sure nothing sticking down that the word routed. We cook everything like that just if your days or go up. While we were at the pond, I mentioned to you we had a campside where we go do two trinadas and coyotas annoyed. We cooked a rabbit the same way, but with all the trinity just brown died, kept out of it over account farm in a black pot, little water, salt and papa. And when the rabbit got timned it we haved out over rice. Me and my friend Jameson that was there. We cooked died a couple of times. So far. We've done a rabbit, swamp rabbits, no raised farm rabbit, Jason raises rabbits California, something in a New Zealand the huge drabbit. It's pretty good that that cleaning method I was telling about both the ra pudos and the ducks actually came from. But but in their family, that was a trick that they showed me. I used to my dad, No, I just used to just give him a real good plug and then we create him that boiling action. Actually like that boiling action, that's something. And the thing with the with the ra pudos that that that process. A lot of times like we go do these coot shoots and where we go out there. We'll go out there with a whole bunch of us and we'll shoot. But it was a coot shoot. Man. He was the one who showed us the coot shoot too. And we used to go camp out there in high school in the blind just I got a T shirt, I got I got them all. I don't know, I got one shot poor, I got them all some T shirts, uh like Buff. But yeah, there was many times we had enough people we came back with over a hundred poudos because a lot of fifteen a day, fifteen per person per day. We would go out there with a big group. When he told you how to pull the brass, the whole brass off, we'd sit there, three or four of us. Yeah, we we sit there. We make an assembly line. Like one guy was cutting wings, one guy one or two guys pulling brass, the next guy was pulling gizzards and hearts, and it was an assembly line. And like you said, we would we clean a hundred poutos and we wouldn't hunt like Buff. We had to have some type of assembly line. Yeah, frogs you, Yeah, we had to have an assembly line. We go, we go to launch hed lawnch Hed was the cleaning factory. Was the cleaning fact same thing with ducks. It was like an assembly line. We had some people plucking, a guy cutting wings, everybody plucking, someone boiling, someone rubbing, and that the process would be Remember the episode in Mississippi when the snow hut. That was an assembling line. Yeah, I mean there were fathers. When we got through, it looked like it had snowed and that it was windy. We were plugging, we were we were cutting them feathers over the snow geese and we're skinning the snows and plucking the specks. Yeah, it looked like it had snow. In that whole field behind the camp. There was all the feathers from the s and the ducks. We shot what we had. We don't know we had ten of us. We mean we shot we shot like sixty ducks and like ninety geese. I wanna, um, we're gonna close out, But I want to share with you guys a recipe I think you'll be interested in. Already told John paul I wrote it down. The reason you like it is because it involves ducks, involves rice. But this is from a northern and our first joint. I didn't know about any of that. Man, My right sucks compared to you guys. Rice. The back of my rice bag has been lying to me my whole life. They tell you in the back of the bag what I told you. I'm not joking trying. Oh listen, man, I'm tip of your finger touches the rice. If the waters that this first joint, it's gonna come out perfect. This man's paused now every single time that knuckles high, got a high knuckle high. Us should do it. It's gonna be perfect. Every time I have been when you I don't know if you've ever read the back of a rice bag. What they tell you to do is they tell you to do two to one. Yeah, So you put the parage cup. Yeah, you put the rice in there. You put the water there and bring it to boil, and then I cook it till the water is gone. I cook it till the water is gone. It just kind of looks right now, let it sit. Then I fluff it. But my rice sucks compare to you guys. Right, you kind of you kind of fluff it. I cook it in a pot too. When we're camping them all rice cook on a pot, the fingers and when the water is gone, don't fluff your ice. You just put the cover on and turn the fire just barely. Like you, you try to mimic what the rice cooker is doing. He knows what I'm talking about. You. Yeah, you just turn it down, lo lo lo. I leave it a few minutes, and when you open that rice pot, it's gonna be perfect. Let me tell you real quick, though, what I what I made the other day that I thought was good, like phenomenally good? Is I cook? I cook my ducks in a what you guys call a black pot like cathline scale. So I got my halves. I sear hum skin side down. This is the way I eat the ducks. I e. I sear the half just like Ryan described. I steer the half skin side down on the on the stove top. I flip it skin side up and put in a four degree of and for a few minutes I eat him very rare. When you pull them out, you got all that duck fat that rendered out in that skillet. Then I took old rice that I had cooked the day before and make like a fried rice, duck fat fried rice. That sounds good. Man, Come on talking to a real Cajun restaurant near you. When I come down and get my restaurant, the real Cajun, I had that rice dressing, and we're gonna have that fried rice, and every table's gonna have a tank with sauce coumbing up. You know, there's not even gonna be a sign. You'll know it's the right restaurant when you see a reservoir of hot sauce bolted to the roof. It's like the water the Gallean of water Towns eighteen wheeler coming from every all and every week bringing a hot sauce. Alright, guys, this has been a great trip. Man. I learned so much about cooking down here, a lot about cooking. I really appreciate it. And but I appreciate your generosity yesterday letting us go over and pull the harvest off your pond. Actually, it wasn't honor for me to have y'all hears on your faces, and y'all look like y'all had a good time, So I mean, that's all that matters. It was a great time. And Ronnie Collins, thank you for everything showing us all around Johan Paul, all the great cooking stuff, all the hanging out, all the corrections. I was waiting for some sorry listen man. It made it uh having the uh you know, all the context, the culinary context was very helpful. I'm only teasing about the like, yeah, uh, everything I learned about Buddin and what isn't it isn't. I appreciate all that stuff. Thank you, do you do until next episode? Thanks everybody,