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Episode one of Me and Steve eating carp episode two of Me and Clay excuse me, me and Cal eating Coote, and then episode three that I don't know do we want to reveal what it is you want to It is me and your honest eating kaya and this series is dedicated to eating what like most folks would consider inedible, and for me, it's really born out of like these generalizations that hunters and anglers have that are like, oh, you can't eat that or those things taste like mud. And I think a perfect example would be, like episode two is the coot. I could find you a hundred guys that would be like those things tastes like swamp water, but I can find you zero guys that have eaten one. So that's what this series is is to like try to see Yeah, it's a continuation of like I think it's it's a big part of our ethos for we've kind of been battling that ever since Meat Eater has started, is sort of bowing these um ideas about what something tastes like that nobody's actually tasted it. Their dad didn't even taste it, but yet their grandfather told their dad it didn't taste good, and it just gets passed on. But the what's interesting about the carp one is that how revered and and the pardon I played about carp explores how revered the carp is around the world as a food item. Yeah, and in each twenty minute episode, you get like a history lesson about the critter that we're eating. You get an explanation of why Americans have this perception, and then at the end, we cook the damn thing and and we're very intentional about how we cook the food too. Write like we could take a coyote and uh do tend different things to it and put it in a Chilian you wouldn't know you're eating coyote, right, But that's not the point. We want to get like a good baseline. So like the coop is just right on the grill with one other ingredient. The kye or the carp goes right in the deep fat fire with one other ingredient, but it's cut in a very particular way. That's right, caught in a very particular way. And the coyote goes right in the slow cooker with two other ingredients. So we're getting Can you tell me right now, how much did you like that kyote? Met It was the worst of the three things? Really, Yeah, if you've watched, if you've watched the other two episodes by now, then then you'll probably have gathered this already. But Coot was the best. Then I'd go carp second, and then Kyot third. Three c's and I would I would put probably Kyot as a distant third. I think, really, I'm really surprised there's such a disparity between the cot and the coyote. Yeah, that the coup was genuinely good. The kyot was just like fine for a couple of bites, and then I think, as as you see in the video, Um, I don't know if we really get to like bites three and four, so coot now you would like when they're passing by, you're like, oh, yeah, I'm killing them and putting them right next to the mallards in the freezer. Yeah, they're good. Did you get into when you're eating at kyo? Did you get into how it makes you feel all hot and sweaty? Did you have that problem that there's there's gonna be a couple of minutes. I'm sure it made the final cut of the episode where Janice is convinced he's having hot flashes. Yeah, because eating when I regular dog and when I Kyle, I got hot and sweaty from it. Yeah. And then what's the kind of biological scientific what did they say is going on? Like it's either well in Vietnam, there's they say there's something in there that makes it that way, But I think it's what you're feeling is guilt. Oh, the guilt makes you all hot. Guilt makes you hot and sweaty when you're dogs. Here's the thing, Like we can, we can say it's bullshit, but Janice felt it. I think two of our camera people felt it because they dabbled in the kind they called a hot food. Yeah. I didn't feel it, but I didn't eat a ton of it. Yeah, there were other folks that that were there with it. Now, why are they all swords? Because that's gonna lead me my next question, because the next thing is going to be see where two cuts? M hmmm, because they were in our freezer when we decided to do this. Coincidence yep, I already had a coyote of my freezer. Cal already had a couteness freezer. I also already had carpon my freezer. Just worked out well. I noticed if you go into Google and just type in pardon my plate, pulls you right up, pulls you right up to where you gotta go. Good, that would be a good way for for you to get there. Like we said, two episodes out now, third one comes out tomorrow, Tuesday, August, and you get to see Spencer's little set up, his little house. Yeah. Yeah, especially and if I'm not saying a little like in a dominutive way. I mean it just it's it's very orderly and tidy. Episode episode three, honest, and I have to kill about six hours while the coyote is brazing, so you can see other parts of the house. Get a little tour. That's right. Does your wife make a cameo a little game of what's that called bumper pool? Bumperpool? Yeah? Oh yeah, that is. Yeah. I love it. It's like one of my greatest possessions that I have that thing. You know what it is? My neighbors used to have it. I was on an ice fishing trip in college in northeastern South Dakota. We went to this little little bar coal called the Decoy Bar, and they had a bumperpool table. I've never seen one before but locals, and they were playing it, and so I had asked him one to like show me how to play it, and I thought it was like the greatest thing ever. So I'm like, when I get a house, I'm gonna get me one of these tables. So I put an ad on Craigslist and by the next day, the like bookie for Southeastern South Dakota called me and he's like, hey, I got one of these in my basement that someone owed me money and this is what they gave me instead. If you come and get it on my basement, you can have it. So drove over to him. Got the Bumberpool table. I've had it with me ever since. It's from n was made in Bay City, Michigan, and it takes two dimes to play. M Yeah in a very cool game room in Spencer's house. Thank you, sweet sweet room god man. Take relax and pretty serious. I don't know how I feel about now that that was my life and ice commitment to not having kids for a while. Like if we put this game, a lot of people are like kids are a dog. You're like bumper Pool for kids exactly. So here's, uh, here's something I'm gonna show. I got it. This is something I'm gonna give to Cringe. She hasn't seen it yet, but this is gonna be I think you need to do this for season two. Okay, And it keeps with seeds because it's like carp Kyle cucumbers. Yeah, so we eat so uh we like to die for c cucumbers, which are located in many places. We die from the southeast Alaska and we usually keep the meat strips remembers five strips in each. Steve's pulling stuff out, pulls above a little one of those little zippered yetti coolers, a little teeny hopper. Uh yeah, I was gonna say four maybe, but like, it's five strips in my hand right now. C cucumber eat, it's in a it's in a it's in a freezer bag, it's it's vac sealed. And this is a good stack. I don't know how many we pick. We need get serious. You can fill the boat with them, you know what I mean? Like, there's how many you pick is how many you want to clean. So we picked a few dozen one day we're spear fishing. But picked a few dozen and I cleaned a bunch. So these are what we eat. It's like it's like a clam strip without all the springiness. If you guys want to see how to clean that, we've we've got a video on our website how to clean a sea cucumber with Steve Vanilla and then also um how they're caught. You can go watch that on Netflix's episode nine of season nine and the fish Stack. And then Karan was asking about bringing back some with the wardy part. Yeah, the whole thing, because that's what like a lot of people eat. So that's that's what it looks like if after you just pull it out of the water. But here's a great here's a great shot. One of these ones are the ones that are whole. No, no, no, I got it him. So it's like, imagine it like it's um, it's a cylinder. It's like very much the size of Yeah, okay, imagine hold the cue combing, okay, and you cut off each end like you do when you're fixing to fix it. Cut off each end, and then you cut it open, but not cut in half like slit it open, splay it out. Then you get his intestines out of there, and then you hold it with a pair of catfish skin and players and take a three inch putty knife and push the strips right out. I hear the strips right here. If you look at this one, you can see that's the one to three four strips that's his interior muscles. You did a great job of cleaning those because not no offense against Patrick, who was up there with us. His kid was trying to clean some of those where he had to clean a bunch of them. They looked like just mush kind of when he got done with them. Patrick, your neighbor. No, no, but my goodness, you guys had a lot of people up there. He's four years old. Man, Yeah, I know, but I'm just commenting, like now you're dogging on him. It takes him practice doesn't like your boy. On a scale from one to ten, how would you great? He no, he didn't do a bad job. But you're I was complimentary sich ten ten for you. You're a comment sandwich could have could you could have gone like this, like man, Patrick's boy sure got in there and clean. No se cucumbers. I mean they look like mush. Good looking kid. He's a hard worker, real hard worker. Hand that down to Crince. She can investigate. So karn is gonna cook the whole Chris said, she wants the inner part and the googy part. Really right. I also actually thought you were gonna I don't even know you were going to partially this. For me, I thought that they were going to be some you just like into they're a little because when they get nervous, they expel, they expel their guts. Nothing looks better, nothing looks better than a c cucumber picked up off the ocean floor, because the first thing he does when he gets nervous is he kind of puckers up so it's plump, so when you grab him, it's like flaccid. Then he plumps up, and then the more nervous he gets, he eventually deflates and ex spunges his intestines. It sounds like something else I wanted I wanted to. Yeah, the sequencing is off slightly, but what I wanted to do. What I wanted to do is bring you, uh nice cleaned c Thank you. I'm very excited. What do you do with them? But take these two? Okay, yeah, sure, no, I'll make some stuff and bring it in for everyone to just just they're so good. I will do that with that, and then the other stuff with the with the gooey parts on. I'll try to do. I mean, the reason why I knew Steve was in Alaska. I messaged him because I had thought about season nine, episode nine, and the sea cucumber is prized as a delicacy in the cuisine of many Asian countries, and I've only seen them walking through a chinatown in these large glass jars and it's and I think that they have just been taken whole out of the sea and then kind of still drying in the sun, because the whole thing is just like a desiccated sea cucumber, just whole. You know what you're saying. You see him in Chinese stores. One day, someone one of my bodies, I can't remember who sent me a thing from Costco no kidding, said oh or something like that, and it was ce cucumbers in Costco. WHOA, I can't even remember what they are in. Oh my god, cucumbers And that's so bizarre Chester with something like that, activate your fish allergy or not? A good question? No, I don't think so. I wasn't able to eat them up when we were in Alaska, just because they fried him in the same oil as they did the fish. Everyone convinced me not to try him. I wanted to have you tried like sea urchin, because apparently cucumbers are a type of marine invertebrate related to c cucumbers and sea stars, collectively known as a chinoderms. Never once I thought of that, because I used to think of them. Once I thought of that relationship, they kind of made more sense to me. The relationship to see stars. Then you're like, oh, yeah, I could see that like one arm one arm of a c star. There's a huge commercial harvest up there where you're yeah, man, and when those guys come through it can be a little bit hard. You gotta look around to find some spots. They come through and hit it hard. I mean tons and tons. We're beach coman this here and found one of the nets that use underwater to fill them up. It seems like it's a pretty good renewable resource though, because there's a lot of them. What else do you find beach coming um after two years after the tsunami, we found a lot of stuff from Japan. I started cutting out Japanese letters off stuff and hanging it on the show. Um. We find a lot of rope um boomlogs, cable ties for boom logs, boomlog logs they use in their rafting, lumber, rafting timber for marine logging operations. We find a lot of commercial fishing gear, shrimp baskets, um fish ask it's I found a USS Jimmy Carter submarine hat which I wear. You hear it at the fish check every time. Found So yeah, just a lot of usable stuff. Like if we check three beaches, will bring to three things home. Yeah, you gotta there's good places to go. Look. I like it. Oh, I found a huge I think it was from the tsunami. But I found a huge jug of like a like a four gallon jug of what smelled like simple green, but it had Japanese lettering on it, and you haven't identified what it is. I use it for detergent. I use it like simple green. You're just guessing though. Now you put your nose in there and you put some water there and scrubbed with a scrub. Yeah, I'm it's it's trust me. I like it. It's a detergent. I was there when I was driving the boat when he jumped off and went to go get It's big thing at detergent. Is that the same detergent is still in there? Well? No, because I started topping once I got down low, I started topping it off. So now in fact that I just refilled it this year, I put one gallon a simple green and then topped it off with water good hearty blend, a big simple green gay like the lemon flavor solf. Uh. Yeah, Just to actually comment back to what you said, Chester, The demand for C cucumber has gone up really quite a bit over the couple past couple of decades. So they're gonna say the last couple of years decades, so from what I saw with kind of a growing middle class in China and more people in China being able to afford C cucumber, which was previously or I mean it's still a delicacy, but with more people being able to afford it in the eighties is when the demand really skyrocketed. And apparently over the past number of years is a chemical in the skin of the C cucumber called a few collated glycosamino glican, which is used to treat joint problems. That's been used by scientists in Europe to create all kinds of I guess, treatments and medicines for people suffering from blood cloths and cancers. So over the course of the past couple of decades, the demand is really skyrocketed, and um, out of the seventy species that are sought and used, seventy or actually seven of them, seven out of the seven year actually classified as endangered, and that market spilled over to Alaska so much. Yeah, I mean, i'd imagine I would imagine that that's why yep and and I was mistaken. I actually didn't know that they were until episode nine, season nine. I didn't even realize that they were found in oceanic bodies all over the world. I really thought that they were maybe more in in a certain region of the world, but they are all over. But yeah, seven out of seventy are endangered. We got three jigging lincod this year. They're down deep to you know, not just shall you'll drop jig down and snag a se cucumber, you know, So yeah, that that seems to be part of the danger of fishing it You're just going to as deep as the sea floor goes, and they take two to six years to grow to marketable size. So I don't really know what the situation of the c cucumbers are in Alaska. And actually what species you even grabbed I've known and I could find out again, is it red out the load? Those things have predators? Besides Steve, is that it I don't know what natural things eat them. I don't know. But like when you if you when you clean a bunch and then throw the skins and guts out crabs and stuff. Don't work it over. Really, I imagine those black bears would pick them up when at low tide. Think, I don't think so. We have never seen him do it. I saw a BlackBerry dragon a big sea star one time. I don't know why he's gonna do with it. Probably ate it, but I don't know what eats the man. Man. They're an unsightly little bogger, unsightly apparently in Asia, like the spikier and crazier they look the more sodd after they are. And the Japanese c cucumber is supposed to be the most prized and can fetch up to three thousand, five hundred dollars a kilo. That's a bit over two pounds, which is saying, right, so you just you just gave me a lot of money's worth the c cucumber steve to renegotiate that transaction just for the inside strips, for the just the whole thing. I think that, I think the whole thing, or if that's dried or not, that's a good good question. But then so speaking of the value like the black market, just a few weeks ago, yeah, Japan's coastguard busted eleven poachers off the coast of how do you say that. That's a Japanese that's one of the islands. It's in northern Japan. They're trying to make off with one thousand, five hundred pounds of sea cucumbers street value twenty thousand bucks that got busted by the coast guard. The coast guarder received a tip off that they had They seized thirteen crates in a daring nighttime raid rounded up suspected poachers. These guys had divers. Lookout, it's get away cars. They're facing three years in prison, two seventy dollars and fines. Like if that sting operation Cumber, Yeah, they got it all. They got them laid out like drugs cow. So this dude, a dude rolled in and this is one of the This like is even mildly upsetting to me. This might be a good part in the plate. So these guys had some depredation ELK tags in South Dakota. This guy sends us in. So it's a little bit upsetting, but it's like listen, man, I'm I'm for like, I'm in, I'm in. I love the guy. I love the guy for sure. Him and his buddy drew some elk depredation tags in South Dakota. They both shot cows, and as as happens anyone who does these late season cow hunts, well here's something to look at. Here's the way to think about this elker bred in September. Okay, they breed in September early October. If you kill a cow out in November, you shot a pregnant cow. Now this starts to get upsetting to people as the season goes on, because then once there's like a visible fetus, then people get right. But keep that in mind. Most cow out to get shot are pregnant. They're just they just are. But when you get into hunting, like what they all the shoulder seasons, you know, you get these like January seasons for out Oftentimes you'll be your gout him and be greeted with greeted buy an out fetus. A lot of caribou hunts are the same way this guy barbecued it. These pictures are really really something Barbecue m what's upsetting to you about these pictures, Krim. It's just a couple of elk fetuses. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's not exactly that it's upsetting per se um. It's just I don't on the average kind of get to see, um, yeah, a fetus and like you can kind of see the thing, can see its little feet and the outline of its body, and you know, just think he gives a human pause to think about life. Yeah, that's that's right, that's right. My question is is the second picture just it seasoned before? When and to the it's actually cooked? I can't tell that. I'd like to give his tasting notes. Did you good? Yeah? So he got to reading and he found a mention of a German noble who used to be found eating red stag fetuses. This feller says he's of German ancestry, so why not. Um. He looped them up with some butter and spices, including some Chinese five spice, with some fresh ginger and some sweet baby raised barbecue sauce. Well he did two of them, and one was the Chinese and the other one was just standard American barbecue. So that was good. That was a good careful read. Set him in the oven like a brisket. They took on very little color after they had baked for three and a half hours, and I got them to a hundred six degrees internal got some friends together. The meat was not like anything I have ever tried. The skin was pink, like an uncooked chicken, even after some serious time in the broiler. The flesh was the color and texture of a raw oyster or whitefish, and the meat flaked almost like a cross between a cooked brisket and cooked trout. The taste was devoid of any flavor at all, aside from the spices and the physical presence of the material. The meat could not be differentiated from that of the air in your mouth as you chewed once. Now, if I've ever eating the fetus, Nope, m not. You know, not that I'm imposed to it. I wouldn't. I'd give it a wing. But man, hats off. That's great. I think there's if you really boil it down. There's a lot of different layers here, Like, we have a psychological or ethical conundrum because we value gestation as this not just symbolic but real part of birth and renewal of life. So the fact that a human interrupted this process and is then going to go eat this fetus, that's like, has the potential to disturb somebody. But I'm all for it. Just like you, Steve, because we have a late season bow hunt here in Arkansas that goes through our season goes through February. So if you kill a doe anytime during that period, you potentially would see a fetus in a gutted dope. But I've told people for years exactly what you said is that if you kill that dough on November the tenth, she was just as pregnant then the other. There's also the thing that just of using the whole resource, you know, I mean when you look at the macro picture, there's an elk female cow elk hunt because they're trying to manage these elk, and if it's happening, and it's a thing that's valuable for conservation, and so if you kill a pregnant out use the whole thing. So I don't have any problem with it. Fetus, No, I have not. Okay, I think that if any of us get later season critters, we should sure. Man, Yeah, I'd love to try it. Uh. I've read about people a couple of things that not we've discussed this. UM read accounts where planes tribes would if they killed a calf, a buffalo calf, they made a dish with the curdled mother's milk from inside the calf's stomach, which I don't know why. I feel like that's in the same same spirit. Uh, here's a crazy story, these guys. There's a story here. The world has come from vice. Originally a dude. Uh. He had to have his lower leg and foot amputated. Cook at home made foot tacos for his friends. The pictures of the foot tacos. Sure, sure, how do you do that whistle? Like we're like, oh wow, yeah, I think we're all. Yeah, I don't know. That's the final frontier, man, that's the final frontier. No, I'm out on this one. Out, I'm out, Garrett Garrett Long said, really putting his foot, really putting his foot in his mouth. There quality one of the guys who worked with said wavos rancher tooes. So, Steve, if you're invited to this party out, i'd have to know the guy. I'd your foot meat, but I'm not. But I'm not gonna eat foot meat from a guy I don't know. To me, it's more like an expression of the individual man. And like if I saw in the store like foot meat, I'm not gonna you know, it's just not human foot meat. What if it was human um forearm, It just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter human meat. If it was like if you said, hey, man, this thing happened to me, I'm gonna eat my foot, my leg, whatever, then I'd be like, oh, you know, for you Yanni, and I'd go over there and eat it. Oh man. But I wouldn't eat just if someone said, like, I don't know, I just got whatever. That's funny. I think some people might have the opposite approach. They want to not like you've you've looked Yanni in the eye, and you know you've buried your souls to each other, had many great moments together. Maybe you wouldn't want to eat his foot. But if some guy that you haven't met before, I think some people might be like, oh yeah, I'll eat that guy's foot. Because if let's say I had to get a kidney transplant and I could get Yanni's or stranger's, I would take Yanni's kidney because then I would have less sort of like questions sure about who I was walking around. I get that that's a little bit more dependent on like your your well being than just eating. No, no, not how how do I know? Why? Why would I think that his kidney is better than some other kidney he might have a I don't know that. I guess it's just like the knowing nous. I just want to know. If I ate a guy, I'd be real curious about who it was. Would you eat your own foot? Let's say, like your foot with your toenail. Okay, let's say like the ingrown toenail caused some real problems for your foot down the line, and then for some reason, God forbid, you had to have it amputated your own everybody's done this in the past in their lifetimes, where you get a cut on your hand or your finger and you don't have like a way to stop the bleeding immensely, you know, right, what do you do? You stick your finger in your mouth, right, and you're you're, yeah, you're drinking your own blood at that point. What's the difference. It's a little different. Blood. Blood feels really different than like you know, said, yeah, he got I'm gonna nick your finger and you could put that in your mouth, or I could serve you your toe. They're gonna be like the blood things like circulating. I feel like the toe thing is like, but it's not circulating, you know, blooding your digestive. But yeah, I know, but it's just in your head. It's my points, very true. Chris or Karin went to went to our our meat specialist, Dr Chris. I don't think it rhymes with chalk, it does. It is calkins, caulk and chalk. It comes up every time cock cock, like like I'm going to call Yeah, I live in the house. One time when I was living in su St. Marie, Michigan, and we had the bathtub leak like bad. And it was that we rent from a slum lord, and anytime someone took a shower, it would just like I mean honestly, it would just flow through to the living room below. And we kept saying, something's wrong, and something's wrong. He wouldn't do anything, wouldn't take it seriously. So I went and got a gallon of roofing tar, and I'm not kiddya, man, I cocked that thing in that roofing ter. It took forever to dry. So everywhere, like anytime someone set like a bottle of shampoo or something down, it would get roof and tier on it. And then that roof and twer would move around and you have me real careful, like what you rubbed up against in the tub. It took months, but eventually that roof and tire set up, and the dude we ran from like when we moved down and stuff never mentioned it because he knew he had. Part of the house was falling away from the house so bad that we wanted to run an extension court out. One time we were able to pass the extension cord through where the house had fallen away from itself. Holy yeah, my rint was a ten bucks. It sounds like too much in that place. Uh, we're time about oh caled Chris Colors. Yeah, cockin that I was just thinking about roofed the batsop cocking. Okay, Crin, tell what he's got people. It was It was because it was like one of our colleagues made a joke. But also, you know, on a serious note about cooking the foot flesh too what you know, temperature that would be safe. So even though this was a joke, I also um emailed Chris and just wanted to know what he thought about the entire situation. And uh, these are some quotes from him. There are so many things wrong with this presumably the muscle starts out safely edible, getting past the ick factor. Then yes, the same rules of thumb would apply for safety as other flesh. But if I understand the story correctly, I'd be concerned that the limbs spent about a week dying before it was amputated. So that's all kinds of bacteria and maybe toxins that accumulate and freeze thing wouldn't necessarily resolve either of those problems. Uh, if it's loaded with bacteria, you have to cook it thoroughly to kill it. That means well done through and through. I'd also be worried about the accumulation of medicines. Cooking doesn't do anything to resolve this issue. It's not about the temperature at which it's cooked too, as much as it is the temperature it reaches. But even then no one should do. Yeah. I wonder if he's reached well. Uh. Dr Calkins eventually gets censured for weighing in on or is he or is this beauty? As like in his professional purview, I'm sure this is safe. Uh oh that tub not a leak out of that thing? After that? Well done with roof and yeah, handy Steve, heads up, you have some Bob Via stuff there. Man, we's always pronounced it Vila hate watching that show and Dad forces I'd rather be watching anything cartoons, Saturday morning and fish that's when they used to have Saturday more than fishing and hunting shows, and instead this old house would be on. That's why. That's why I'm not like in the trades now, That's that's what did it? Boba Villa drove you out of it? No? No, not that I never really became like like worked in it with them, just like not even like just even like at home, I'm always like, yeah, I think I should call Brady up handy though. Yeah, but not like my dad Clay. You're going to say something. Okay, here's a here's a fascinating story, and a bunch of people sent this to me. This is good stuff. In Saudi Arabia, there's a lava tube, so imagine it's like a cave. Right Spencer, He's like, you're like, our you're becoming our resident geologists. Explain a lot of tube. That's a cave. In this cave, there's a stockpile of bones that were stock held there by hyenas over a course of seven thousand years. So evergoing population of hyenas utilizing this cave to bring bones into snack on. Wow, did they just fine this? No? Okay, they found in two thousands seven, been researching instance two thousands. Okay, justin if we're talking about something that happened over seven thousand years, I feel like seven is the reason. No. No, they've been investigating the site, but it was only a few months ago that they went even further in to this area and found the bone pile. So the bone pile discovery is only a couple of months old. A lava tube system, which is a sprawling network of tunnels formed by volcanic activity striped hyenas. You can make like a scene here in a movie, because you gotta tell them about how they like why they didn't go farther in there there in this cave, exploring it, doing archaeologists work, and then they hear snarls of hyenas possibly farther down in there, and so they turned around. Come on, yes, it says the listen man. I had to take my kid to the doctor this morning, get a warp furroze in office foot, and I didn't review everything as a character as I might normally have. Well, come in, how's that warts doing? Planners? Words on the bottom, how's that words doing? It? Says the most modern bones are four d and thirty nine years old, though, so I didn't realize this was like still an active site if they're hearing hyenas in there. I didn't realize the hyenas were in there at one point they were, which is why they hadn't gone to the depths. Ya needs like a subject matter experto No, I'm just like, I'm not like. I've been in a few caves that have gotten small and tight, man, and uh, what's that fear called? Yeah, Like when it gets like that, I do not like immediately man, the blood pressure ees, I do not like it. So to be in that kind of situation and then to hear getting out of that one, it looks like something out of Pirates of the Caribbean. So you're right, you know, a bunch of bones, I mean, like a classroom size mountain of bones, including Yanni's probably has some correction about this. Hundreds of thousands of bones, four kinds of animals, cattle, cap rods, horses, camels, rodents, and even folks not up gnawed up by hyena teeth hundreds of thousands. They feel like maybe maybe Joannie knows why this is. They feel like maybe the hyenas had been ransacking human burial sites and dragon those bones home. Think about that. It's wild to me that we're still finding stuff like this. Yeah, you know, you you you get this sense that the earth is discovered, you know that, like we've found everything, and then we find stuff like this, and it's it's kind of cool because the earth is not discovered. You know, there's all kind of wild stuff out there. Oh. I'd love to go dig in through that pile, man, Yeah, chest, You're perfectly described the scene. It's like bones on bones on bones, and you'd expect to see like, uh, like a big treasure chest on top of the whole thing, one beam of light hitting it. Oh that's a great. Yeah, I'd like to dig through that pile and bring some of that stuff home. Johnny Depp drinking some room. Uh, speaking of hyenas, like that transition, speaking of hyenas, how did you come up with that? Just like, I don't know, man, just these little things come to me. He's been hanging out with me. Yeah, well, fat quick draw quick draw Phil quick draw Taylor. Uh. We had an episode not longer called cat scratch Fever where a guy from Hawaii who who is bow hunting for wild goats farrel goats um on a whim, decided to eat a hunk of Farrell goat and contracted toxoplasmosis, which is which has the flow through uh cat poop cat ship. I had multiple people reach out to me saying we had a missed opportunity here that instead of cat scratch fever, cat chat fever. Not even Phil came up with that. That kid, though, that's got to make you jealous. Film. Phil spaces out now no no, and like it's messing on his computer and probably misses a lot of opportunities to make funny little things. I should have fed that to him ahead of time. I was reading about lava tubes. So he's over there studying up on lava tubes and ms a chance to say something funny. It's a cat chat fever. So these guys are studying this is a this is a fascinating thing that they're doing a research project in Kenya where they're looking at when hyenas get talks and one of the things about getting toxoplasmosis. Is it like, you know, affects your behavior, has neurological effects. And one of the things is when a hyena cub gets toxoplasmosis, it loses its fear of lions, And there's all this stuff about like it flows through feelnes. Okay, toxoplasmosis flows through feed lines, and there's these sort of like conspiracy theory sounding. There's no conspiracy, but it's like wild thing this idea that when they infect an animal. So when an animal becomes infected by toxoplasmosis, it then becomes easier for the cat to kill because it starts acting weird. So it's this thing that's like, it's this it it's a aid. It's like high fence hunting. It's like or something. It's like you're passing along and making it easier to harvest. Yeah, it sounds like when you hear white tail expert talk about CWD or something. The deer don't often die from c w D, but because they're so messed up, they're just easier prey for hunters or predators or vehicles or whatever. That's what that's what sounds like you're describing a lot to die from CWT. Yes, related, but the whole related causes thing in this study. This is interesting. A cell in this study, all hyena cubs that have toxoplasmosis, all of them are killed by lions before there one year old of uninfected hyena cubs only se get killed by lions, So they keep their distance. They know, and when they have the talks, they fall easy prey to the fee line. It's a good thing Danny didn't have any large cats in Hawaii. Yeah, he come across big sabretooth up to it. That's up man. You'd be like, what's up, man. Yeah, that's like a literal death sentence. None of the will make it. It's really interesting man. You're saying though, that there's like a biologically advantage to a cat passing it on. So it's like the more that those cats have it, the more they spread it through their area, the more animals get crazy and they're easier to kill. So the the infected lions just keep getting stronger and stronger, but more and more infected. Yeah. And when I first heard that a while ago, I thought that sounded like horseshiped me. I was like, I can't be true. But this thing is interesting, man, and I think there's been some similar chemicals. Yeah, it's like chemical warfare, Like you see what I'm saying, Like sending out something to do your dirty work for you without having to go in. Yeah, if you just wander over to a hyena den, drop a deuce, okay, be like, I'll be seeing you boys in my teeth. It's really something I'll have you guys know that I'm carving a very intricate mural into my desk. Oh yeah, I saw the first part of it. Man, it's grown. I've got a manor a bear. What you say, am I in it? That's a good idea. I've got a I've got a bear of full struck gobbler turkey that. And then there's a white oak tree that separates him. And then there's a raccoon. I can put Steve Ronella right over just past direct a tattoo, maybe creeping up on something, give him toxic plasmosis. And there's a mountain lion creaming up on him. You know, we we've talked on this show million times or so about what we call the not what we call whatever, But he calls the Pittman Robertson Fund. So when you go and buy, as we've explained box playing again, that's a good thing to know about. When you go and buy ammunition or firearms, um, there's an excise tax on that on those goods, and that excise tax goes to fun, wildlife work, wildlife conservation. So when you when you buy gun, eleven percent of the wholesale price, ten percent of the wholesale price for handguns, so it's eleven percent of the hotel price for long guns and ammunition ten percent of hotel price, wholesale price for handguns. Manufacturers and importers pay the excise tax. Okay, and then you like fund it back on on the purchase. But when you do it so you don't see it itemized out, it's already been done. But eleven percent of that money goes to fund while they have conservation. The system has been around since seven Hunters are you know, hunters like me, we always like to talk about, oh yeah, we're doing so much good. But the vast, vast majority of this was of this is not related to hunting. It's just gun owners and shooting sports and everything. Like you know people that particularly people that but you know like a New Jersey cat lady could go drop buy a pistol and that goes into Pittman Robertson. That the one who goes into Pittman Robertson fun. But that that total tally since ninety seven just tipped past fourteen billion dollars into the Wildlife Restoration Trust Fund, and that money is flowing right now because of the firearm and ammunition industry has just exploded since COVID. And what would be like a literal example of this trust fund being spent on something matching dollars to state agencies will be the main thing. It could It could be that you want to, uh, you want to do some like Arizona, say, wants to do some big horn restoration and move big horns into a new mountain range to try to to restore some of their range. And you're gonna do some habitat work ahead of that and remove some fencing, right and the state agents are going to do that. A state agency would apply for that. But it's also in like much more attainable things to that probably every person in this country is like done something that's been funded partially by Pitton and Robertson, not even known about it, right, Oh yeah, boat launches all kinds of stuff things you use. Another thice thing that it does is it helps states protect their own in house funding. Because let's let's say you whatever the help, you live in Illinois, okay, and you buy a hunting license. And now the way that works is that hunting license money should stay in for the state wildlife agency. But a lot of times the state will be like short on money somewhere else and they'll go pick pill for that money because they look like, look, these guys are sitting over here on all this money. So we're gonna do some restructuring and steal their money and use it to, you know, build a baseball stadium somewhere. Uh. If a state pilfers it's state. If a state pilfers its own fish and wildlife agency, it becomes ineligible to receive the federal matching dollars. And how Pittman Robertson is allocated, and it's allocated, one of the ways it's allocated is allocated relative to Uh. There's there's like a licensed purchaser function in it too to how they divide it up among the states. I like it, Yes, I mean, are you completely clear that like any pilfering at all makes it like Nolan void like you do any pilfering. No Pittman robertson money for you or I'm not a subject matter expert on it, but I know that the state becomes ineligible for those matching dollars if they're pilfering their thing. Yeah. You know, there's a there's a great book that has a chapter in the book that's dedicated to this, and it's The North American Model of Wildlife Conservation book by Shane Mahoney and Valerious Geist. It's a man it ought to be like mandatory reading with a with a hunting license, and it's it's an incredible book and in a in a section of it is dedicated to that funding and kind of understanding it, but really really good. The way it's officially word is it's it's funding for states and territories to support wildlife restoration, conservation, and hunter education and safety programs. They recently revamped and opened up that the funding can fund more things. So and it was it's like there's like kind of a there's uh, there's like a little rub there that has sort of two sides to it. One thing you can do is they can pull Pittman Robertson money out, and I think they recently made it. You can use Pittman roberts some money to make shooting ranges. Okay, so then you go like, well, how in the hell is making a shooting range wildlife conservation? But then people point out, well, it's it's like an investment. You're making a shooting range, You're making shooting sports more accessible to people. By making shooting sports more accessible to people, you're driving a ton more money into Pittman Robertson fund. So it's a little bit like, you know, I don't want to call it cash twenty two, but it's like a little bit of all yeah, but right, it's like a lion heaven toxoplasmos is It's exactly right. Uh. They can also use Pittman Robertson money now. And this is another one that you're kind of like, it feels like it feels like Mission creep. I think you can use you can use Pittman Roberts the money now to market hunting, to promote hunting. And then someone still might look and say, but man, since seven it's been for wildlife restoration and while they've researched, how can you be taking that money out and doing non mission stuff with it? Like we shouldn't be doing it. But you also see it they're like, oh yeah, but it'll it'll lead to it'll it'll lead to a higher level of safety for the fund. To make sure that there's this continuous stream of people paying into the fund, good business has got to market somehow, you know, to make it so it's kind of like marketing obviously. So yeah, I thought that was something that was fundamental to the fund for a long time, Steve, that you know, shooting ranges and hunter education. I was thinking that was from the very beginning. No, because there was recently a Pittman Robertson Modernization Act that did some things. Okay, yeah, okay, uh Clare, if we talked on the show before about the cryptocurrency, the bear Grease cryptocurrency idea, you just mentioned it once on a past episode. I wasn't there. You just mentioned it briefly, but so no, not really. Yeah. So months ago Chester and I took a call with a crypto currency and and uh n f T expert non fungible token, a non fungible Crypto, non fungible Token n f T and cryptocurrency expert because we didn't want to like miss out on the fund, you know, I mean, like I don't wanna be left in the dust and not uh up to speed on cryptos and n f t s. And I said, I don't know if our audience is quite ready for cryptos and n f t s, but like I need to know about it, like how to make an n f T and sell it or whatever give it away? I don't know. Then one day Clay had the idea that when we do make a cryptocurrency, we call it bear grease genius, and it would trade it would trade in ounces, tablespoons. But the cryptocurrency is called bear grease. So when you go to one of those cryptocurrency things you see bitcoin does, right, there would be bear grease there, and we have a way to manipulate the price. Like we're way ahead on how to manipulate the price, because here's how you maniplate, here's how you manipulate the crisis cryptocurrency. Is this is it good to tell the other thing was that that the premise of the idea is that bear grease was once she used as a currency, you know, so like different volumes of vergaras could have been traded. So it was like it was like a currency. Oh you know what, you need to fact check yourself on Clay's Clay says, there used to be in olden times there was a unit of measurement called an eel. How sure are you that that's true? Well, listen, So I I this week I went to the book that I felt like I read that in and it wasn't there. And I actually emailed the author. No, no, no, no no no, did you remove a passage from No? No? I so I. So I emailed the guy and I said, man, I could have swore I read that in your book. I'm I'm very certain I read that because I wrote about it myself. I quoted someone in an article I wrote twelve years ago about the tanned neck hide of a deer being a unit of measurement for bear grease, and they called it and you know, I was reading this, so I'm just like fonetically pronouncing it as an eel. And I don't even really remember how it was spelled. So I contacted Keith Sutton, who wrote this book. I thought I read it in. He said, no, Clay, I've never heard of that, but I read it somewhere, because ten twelve years ago I quoted it in an article that was at one time online, but that article is no longer online. Well, we just had a Daniel Boone historian. We just interviewed Daniel Boone historian. Ted Franklin Blue ran the whole eel thing by him, and he didn't know what we're talking about. Yeah, well you're in hot water, buddy. Well I'm gonna I'm gonna keep searching for it because I I've read it. I've read it somewhere. I loved I love Paul Revere, whether he wrote or not, by which I love either way. Dude, if it's not true, we just need to make it true and tan a deer neck a cylinder, stitch one in and fill it full of barres and put a purse string on the other end and draw it tight. I just don't think you could make that up, you know, I mean, like, no, that would you might have. You might have dreamt it in some sort of hallucinatory state or something that's possible. That is possible. So what's interesting is there's another old measurement called an L E L L. What's that? It's uh Northwestern European unit of measurement originally understood as a cubit the combined length of the forearm and extended hand. That's it, dude, it's gotta be L L. But no, but it has nothing to do with no no, no, no. Listen. I bet money that the volume of a white tailed deer neck so together, would be equivalent to a Yeah, so they used the deer neck. And but the unit of measurement is an E L L. You're honest, You're like, you're like Sherlock Holmes. Man, he's like a guy with with Google. Yah. Wikipedia. I'm not making the connection. I am. You are to say I said to you, Let's say I said to you, I had a uh my kid. Let's say to take my kids palm, okay, and I poured some liquid in my kid's palm. And it just so happens that an ounce of water fits in my kid's palm. And I were to say, oh, I'll I can tell you what ounce is my kid's palm. When he holds water in his palm, that's exactly an ounce. So it could be that he was reading where some guys said that we we know there's a unit of measurement, and some guy says, some guy realizes that he can equate or get an equivalent of that unit of measurement when he fills a deer neck, that that winds up being that if I said, deer neck, is it holds a leader roughly a leader? I know, But the the l that I just described has nothing to do with volume. Oh, I should listen more carefully, but picture that it did. I bet that's the connection. I bet the just somehow that measurement. You know, maybe the deer neck was eighteen inches, but they they sold Barger that the storage of the beargrease was in the tan neck hide of a deer, and they used that unit of measurement to describe the quantity. You better go find it. Yeah, let me tell you something, Clay. Here's a no, this is an apocryphal story. Tell me what that means the second time we've used it on the podcast. Um, it means that it's um. I can't explain it. Like it sort of like captures the essence of a thing, dubious authenticity, something widely circulated as set time. I got this wrong. Oh no, I got right. There was an apocryphal story that General Sherman this this listen to what I'm telling you, Clay, about this dear neck deal. People used to same undivided attention. But listen to his listen Man. I listened to him so carefully that I realized there was a problem. No one else here realized there was a problem. Go ahead. There's a story that General Sherman went to the Texas Assembly and said, we need to kill all the buffalo in order to defeat the Native Americans. That once we kill the buffalo, they'll have nothing to eat, and we'll be able to subjugate them to reservation confinement. That he that he said, articulated this perspective. Later, a graduate student working under the historian Dan Flores, who had been reading that his whole life. I've read that. I was like, well, where did that go? Where? Where? Like? When did he give the speech? He goes down to Austin to do his research. General Sherman never even spoke, never addressed the Texas Assembly. Huh, But it is a widely trafficed somehow entered under it, like it it It entered the sort of cannon of understanding in a way that no one ever went and looked, and it just became like a repeated thing and a repeated thing and repeated thing the same way. I run around telling people about this dear neck business. And then someone someday it was like, oh, I'm really, what exactly when did that happen? And then then like, you know what, it didn't like we've been all spouting off the same thing from the same place. You know that Boone used to shoot the boonwood bark squirrels. You know this, well, I've heard this boonwood bark squirrels. Turns out the guy that says he saw Boone bark squirrels some year in Kentucky Boone wasn't in Kentucky that year. Mhm, he was in Missouri. But that's an every damn book. So now everyone knows what apocryphal means. Are we sure Lincoln was ever even in Gettysburg? We should follow up? Turns out, yeah, uh, but either way. This cryptocurrency called bear grease, um, I'm into it. And a guy wrote in that he thinks that it could be possible, and we know how to like wildly inflate. This is the part you can't tell people how to wildly inflate Clay's bear Grease cryptocurrency, just a shortage of here right, no, no, no, no, okay, Clay. Should we tell or not tell? Well, I mean, I guess if we're gonna do it, we shouldn't tell. If I'm not gonna do it, we should tell him, just to show people how much we think about these things. But a guy wrote in to say that he thinks that, uh. He says, if we're a programmer wrote in, he says, uh that he could work up something that could quote work to both our benefits. She sounds like a bear eel sales. I mean, I am way in and that's and it's gonna trade when we produce it. Instead of buying a bitcoin, you'll buy a tablespoon up to you know, and it'll be measured up to an eel. You can buy an eel of bear grease and it'll be a night. I'm out of it. That listener email feels like you could be part of like a deposition someday. Yeah, yeah, just thinking it sounds like some crooked dudes. Is it sure that you said it could work to both of your venger Um Clay is gonna break down a cool story about burgeras um, and I'll also give us an update on Burgeri's podcast. But first, it's the end of Chester the investor like the end and Chester sold out bought a Walleye boat. Tell aybody the story Chester. Well, I'm super happy, you know with my decisions. Um, bitcoin was going, Bitcoin was taking well. Jesser was telling me how bitcoin is gonna be worth a hundred thousand dollars per coin by the end of the year, because still there's a chance. Um. Anyways, Bitcoin, I was sick of staring at it, and I sold it and it happened to be right before it tanked. Was it addictive to you, like like Instagram? Like like an app that you check? It is nodding their head. Yes, he had a little bit of a checking problem. You said you said you were sick of staring at it. So I guess I'm just trying to get to the bottom. What does that mean. I'm still I'm kind of sick of staring at Instagram, but I still have it, um sometimes, you know, but I don't know. I just got got rid of it because one I needed a Walleye boat, and I feel like I wasn't too addicted to it. No, you must not have been addictive because you haven't bought any more. What does it mean to be sick of staring at it? Like eighty bucks in bitcoin? We're still right now, still in Just did you make much money on you when you sold? I made only a few hundred bucks that yeah, but I was way up. And but I mean I got out before I lost. So. Um. But I had been looking for a boat for a long time, and I was sick of getting chased off the lake by weather. In Seth's boat, Seth and Eye fish a lot, and uh, we had to get off the lake a lot because weather had come in. And I bought a boat. I found a boat in Wisconsin, Oshkosh, Wisconsin, Uh, for the Lake Winnebago there, which is like an excellent little walleye lake. So I figured the boat had some good juju and stuff. Um. It's called a Sylvan. It's a sixteen and a half foot boat, super deep v really wide beam. Um, it's a tiller and it's just like perfect little fishing boat. So my parents grabbed it checked it out. My dad consulted with his buddy who is a walleye fisherman, and he said the boat was good. They drove it out to South Dakota, met me. I fished my parents a little bit. The boat's probably caught, been in it like six times, probably pushing a hundred walleye. All right, so good for you, Damn Chester. Yeah, we gotta get out anybody here, we gotta get he's running my fish finder on it right now. Well, yeah, I need I need a need a better fish finder. The one that was on there is supposedly good, but it's not working. So so can you handle some bigger waves? Now? Yeah? I was actually out there the other day with Matt, one of our producers, and it was real choppy. You wouldn't want to be out there if it were any chop here. And we didn't take on water. So it's it's sweet, like and I'm, you know, glad, I'm not doing the bitcoin, but bitcoin is coming back. So Chester divested in bitcoin. Yeah. What I wanted to see. What I want to do. What I want to do with the bargrease cryptocurrency is it's you. It's usable for all of our internal stuff, yep, and then we can I keep want to tell people about it. I don't I shouldn't mention it how to manipulate the currency, Okay, Clay, give us a book report. So this came from where everything comes from, Jim helf Jim, Yeah, Jim Heffelfinger. He sent us, Uh, he sent Steve and I an article. It was actually an article in a magazine from eighteen seventy one. And I'll go ahead and tell you the punchline. He's just Jim just getting caught up on his reading and uh got into his eight Yeah. So so the punch line of this guy's ends up in bargrease. Okay. But it was a pretty fascinating article, and it it wasn't a light read. I think there's like seventeen printed pages fine print, so it was it was. It was a good read. But it was published in Scribner's Monthly, which was a magazine November eighteen seventy one, and it's the title of the article is thirty seven Days of Peril. What kind of magazine was Scribtners. It was a big magazine at the time, like a big lifestyle magazine, and a lot of the they would have, you know, they would send like correspondence out to the American West and do big stories. But it was like, so if you like, you know this because you've referenced it and you're writing in the past, Yeah, you see a lot of old Scriptners things. I mean, it was it was a long It was like a long It was a very highly subscribed long form journalism travelogue magazine of its day, kind of equivalent to like what you might imagine it's gone out. Do you remember when you were kid, like Life magazine, you would have consumed Scriptners in the way that people would have consumed Life magas like a general interest publication. Yeah. Interesting, Yeah, this this article would fit right in with what you're saying, Steve. So the title of it is thirty seven Days of Peril, and the it basically starts out with a guy in Helena, Montana, and he and a group of people are gonna go into the Upper Yellowstone, which in that time period was a super wild, uninhabited or uncivilized place, and he said they were expecting thirty days on horseback, and he never really told why they were going. They weren't necessarily hunting, but they were going down into the Upper Yellowstone. And somehow he gets separated from the people that he's with and he they're all on horseback, and he's separated from his people, and he doesn't think much about it because he knows where they're going. And he he talks about camping by himself the first night and how he'll find him the next day, and it's no big deal. Well, the next day he tries to track him and has trouble tracking him, and so it comes the second day and he still hasn't found him. And on the third day he's kind of like, dang, I'm all by myself. But he still got his horse and his rifle and all his gear, and he gets off of his horse in the wilderness to go look for sign to track his buddies. And on his horse, he has his scabbard, he has all his gear, every ounce of gear except for the clothes on his back, and he and the horse spooks. He just drops the reins and just gets off, this good Western horse. You know that he wasn't worried about the horse running off. The horse spooks and takes off over the hill, and he spends a day looking for the horse, and the horse is gone and he never sees the horse again. And so he is I don't know how far, but so far away from civilization that he's in real peril without anything but the clothes on his back. And basically that's the the beginning point of thirty seven Days of Peril, and he does an incredible job of describing all the scenarios that go through someone's mind who is alone in solitude in the wilderness, being starved, having to deal with the elements. It didn't say exactly when it happened, but clearly it wasn't in the winter, but it feels like it was sometime in the fall, because there were times when there was a foot of snow on the ground that would that the snow would melt. But basically he lived off thistle roots. He he he would dig thistle roots, and there was a period of time when he was by the hot geysers in in the Yellowstone region and he would cook thistle roots and geysers. He would sleep by the geysers for the thermo geothermal warmth, and he described being sopping wet from the vapor of the geyser, but also being warm while the air temperature was super cold, so like really wild stuff. He he one time made a shelter out of um the limbs of an evergreen tree, you know, made like a makeshift shelter. And he said, he said that that a hummingbird flew into the shelter and he caught it with his hand, and he plucked the hummingbird and ate it raw, and he said it was quote a delicious meal for a half starved man. Um. He he did a man these guys, I see so much similarity in the way these guys wrote from like during that time period, there's a lot of just lit your literary terms and different things that use. The way they described that was so similar between like a lot of like this girlsh docker guy that I've talked about on my podcast. But here's the interesting part I think that you'll like Steve is that he started having hallucinations um at some period during his during his trip, and he described it like this. This is a quote, and this is while he is starved, traveling in the wilderness, very much so distressed by the elements. I mean, he talks about storms and snow and he says, I was constantly traveling in a dream land and indulging in strange reveries such as I had never before known. I seemed to possess a sort of duality of being, while constantly reminding me of the necessities of my condition, had my imagination with the vagaries of the most extravagant character. Nevertheless, I was perfectly conscious of the tendency of these morbid influence and often tried to shake them off. But like he he was hallucinating, and he he had a plan for how to get out of the wilderness. Like he thought, well, if I go over this mountain range, there's this town. And he gets way into his journey to get to this other town, and he has what he called a hallucination. I think some people might call it like a visitation. He said, Uh, he had a visitation by someone in his life that was a medical doctor that he perceived as really wise, who he said, literally was there with him and told him, don't go that way, there's no food that direction. Go back the way you came. He does, what this, you know, this hallucination says and he goes back and backtracks himself all the way. But I mean, we're talking like a hundred miles and and uh, it was just wild to hear it because he's this he's evaluating it after the fact, you know, and he credits this very vivid encounter with this you know, person from his past that said don't go that way, and he went back, and long story short, he uh on his way back, there's a search party that's been sent out, and after thirty seven days, the search party finds him and takes him back to a cabin. And here's where the real hero of the story comes in. So they get him back to the cabin and they start feeding him, and basically he can't keep any food down. And he he talks about, how, you know, I've gone through all this and now I'm gonna die that I'm back in civilization. His body was rejecting all the food. Well, the night after here's the quote. Here's the quote. This is this is the climax punchline of the story. Be ready to you know, get excited. The night after my arrival. The night after my arrival at the cabin, while suffering the most excruciating agony and thinking that I had only been saved to die among friends, a loud knock was heard on the cabin door. An old man and mountain costume entered Hunter, whose life had been spent among the mountains. As some beautiful, beautiful writing right, he was. His name was Janice pou tell Us, and he was on his way to find his brother. He listened to the stories of my sufferings, and tears raptly course down his face. The rough weathered, his rough weathered, beaten face. This man was not only a rugged mountain man, but he was in touch with his feeling. You tell us why he was crying again, I kind of got confused there. He he was crying when this man told him about his thirty seven days of peril. The smell mountain man wept in the cabin. I don't think so well, that's what he says. That's do you feel like you're gonna cry? No? No, read the seventeen just small tight inter He's saying that this like I'm I'm setting I know, I know, I know, and I know the point and I like the reason I I wanted. I know about the punch line of the story, and I want Clay to tell it. But it's got a real quick I don't buy that. The man shows up and cries upon hearing what happened to him, cry, I'm with you, Steve, Like it's kind of like what I older men that are in solitude are are very um susceptible to emotional. Remember remember Reagan developed that towards the end of his second term, developed that strange tendency to cry a lot. Mm hmm. I think I'm there right now in my life. I'm final, I've been there my whole life. How do you feel like crying right now about hearing about this guy? No? But what was I telling you the other day? That were I was telling you to watch? Oh? Yeah, that Uh it's kind of goofy. I don't want to diverge diverge too much here from way. Okay, okay, here's a here's a quick way to do it watching the Olympics. Did you cry at all? Watch the Olympics? You didn't watch the Olympics at all? Is that my fishhet? I missed the whole thing? Anybody else watching the Olympics? Huh? Some of it about like, uh, you know, achievements and losses in triumphs and and disappointments and injuries, and then I don't know when people get their medals, Like a lot of times, I'm like it just touches me just that much. Might have been his personality, that is when I'm getting that I cried on my babies were born. No, he's gonna list off all the time. He's cried on one hand. No, I cried at the end of my life without me. I cried at the end of the ken Burns Vietnam thing when the guy that didn't want to go to the wall finally goes to the wall. That made me cry. I did not cry, but it was very close to with the Rogan episode of the North Korea Defector. Have you listened to that man that's powerful and like I could if I were in the room, if I were in the room when she was like telling those stories, I'm pretty sure I would have. And like, so I can see how this mountain man, like having a presence in front of you telling you of his hardship, would do that. Yeah, man, I regret bringing it up. Clay bout the mountain man than it does the story. So here's the mountain man. I'm I'm gonna continue reading from the quote, okay, And and we're we're drawing nigh to our conclusions. Okay, i'd only been had I only been saved to die among friends. A loud knock was heard on the cabin door. An old mountain man and costume entered a hunter whose life had been spent among the mountains. He was on his way to find a brother. He listened to the story of my sufferings, and tears rapidly coursed each other down his rough, weather beaten face. But when he was told of my present necessity, brightening in a moment, he exclaimed, why Lord bless you. If that is all I have a very the very remedy you need in two hours time, all shall be well with you. He left the cabin, returning in a moment with a sack filled with the fat of a bear which he had killed a few hours before. From this he rendered out a pint measure of oil, and I drank the whole of it. It proved to be the needed remedy, and the next day, freed from the pain, with appetite and digestion reestablished. I felt that good. I felt that good food and plenty of it were only necessary for an early recovery. In a day or two, let's see, yadi yadi ya. He was good to go, and he went back to Bozeman, Montana. Bargrease, bear, grease, save. So that's why Jim Jim Heffelfinger had read that, and uh, he's been listening to the Bargreas podcast and he wanted me to read that little section about the old Mountain man. Dude, that is great and bear Grease podcast. There you have it. Do you think you could stomach two cups of rendered row oil? No? No, no no. I watched my brother drink of coffee mug. I dropped my brother drink a coffee mug full of it. Nothing happened to him. Huh, your brother, I said, man, you are gonna be having some problems. Nothing happened to him. And Jim could not have anticipated that. We'd also talked about the Olympics and childbirth and North Korea in the story, so Yanni crying all about everything? Um, what's funny? What brings two worlds together? Is probably the two most mentioned to people on the show. Or uh, our buddy Doug Dern from the Driftless area, Wisconsin and Jim Heffelfinger, And they were together yesterday. WHOA. So if there was like a cosmic disturbance there, but cosmics like you felt something in the force, it was because those who were driving around ducks. But he's Doug even took him to see the navel Doug's hat on right now. It's good to hate. It's not ours, it's just our turn dark during Thank You Clay, tune into Clay's Bargers podcast. He's got a three partner coming up on boone. It's happening right now as this podcast podcast kicking ass. Man, is this when we get an answer to Clay about coonskin hats? Oh yeah, alright, get it for sure? Man? How boon didn't like him? Well that it's not what it seems. That's that's how Clay set it up. Hmm, yeah, we are. Yeah, it's it's been really fun, very fun building out this series. A little more challenging than I thought telling someone's whole life story, but got getting a lot of really great feedback on it. I mean, what's cool is that there's a lot of non hunting people that are listening to the Burgers podcast and liking it. You know. Yeah, it's it's been a lot of fun born on. There was a there was a guy that on the Bargaries podcast. It again, there's a guy that an old man broke down on the Bargaries podcast and cried Mr Roy Yeah, yeah, talking about tears and old man. You won't hear some crying can't fire stories. Bro Well, I was going to bring that up right. Tell me you could listen to all of those. Now, it's different for you because you worked on the problem. Chokes me up a little bit, brody story, chokes me up a little bit. Saving that boy who's dead. Oh, I got bolkou feelings. Man, they just don't show themselves, uh through viscous liquid. You don't you feel that I'm a dispassionate person. I feel like you declared yourself fashion in person. Let's wrap her up. Clayveries podcast. Tune in more stuff about booming thanks to Joins claim you guys next time. Wait, wait, waitit, what's going on? Just wrap it up? Got like thirty minutes the podcast left. That was like an eighty minute podcast. You did, right. I forgot forgot. Let's keep this in. I forgot. I forgot about that. I was scrapping macrol Fronctation. You can do that. I was scrapping macro Fronctation because the shirts aren't available. Yeah, and now we're rolling into rolling into our man, I saw some tears welling up in your eyes. You're running to the bathroom especially, so a bit forgot about Spencer taking over all, Right, Claire, you're sticking around Batman, We're gonna we're gonna close out with We're gonna cloth is out with a Spencer. You have to think of a catchy title for the trivia segment where where we test, where we blow test listeners minds. Phil did that. In the editing, Heap threw in like some wild mix of who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Music with No Country for Old Men scene. I loved it. Oh, keep playing it from real quick? Was that a Phil original? That was a Phil original? That's great. I don't even know about this. Yeah, you should listen to the podcast. It's pretty good. So I do. Some guys listen just for quality control stuff, but I'm here so I kind of know what's in it. Yeah, it's a good point. But no, I do quite often listen hit us Phil. Look, I need to know what I shouldayer win everything. I'm saying, just tend to win everything. Well, those things were meant to be together. I didn't even know it. That's great, Okay, so t it up, Spencer. We are back for the second installment of Meat Eat Your Trivia that's what it's called. Yeah, this is trivia. You're not gonna get from Jeopardy or Yeah, I'm not going to get these questions from Jeopardy or Trivial Pursuit or a bar night trivia anything like that. These are born out of our four verticals. What are they Steve, hunting, fishing, wild foods, and conservation. That's right, And there is a prize, just like last time, Meat Eater will donate one hundred dollars to the conservation organization of the winner's choice in the winner's name. We need to get Chester dressed up in a little speed over to turn the when it turns into a real thing, to turn the things, you know, like to be like a white character, but it'll be Jester speed up. This is gonna be like a sex appeal to it, man, like you know that old role they used to have like on Prices. Right, he had like fifty people running around in nightgowns. Right, it's gonna be ten questions. Last time, Brody and Cal tied with six, then went to the tiebreaker and Brody one. I think with this group of folks, though, we got some ringers in the room and uh and joining us virtually, and this group of questions, I think it's gonna take seven or eight. As we designed this show, as uh as we designed this show, and listeners are here with us in the design process. I think it should always be that the reigning champion like Brody, should be here. It's it's the raining champion's birthday, so I think he can just do whatever he wants. He says he's dragging a crawler highness right now for Wallyares, I'll just text them with him. I like it. Like the sound of that too, so we ready. It's pretty slow. M hmm, I'm ready, all right. Question one, the category is cooking, and last time the first question was multiple choice. I've made a decision. We're gonna do that every time going forward, just to give you guys some confidence, hopefully for the next time. Every question, every question is multiple choice, every question one when we do trivia. So last time the question one was multiple choice. This time question one is multiple choice. The next nine will not be there. The category is cooking. Which of these cooking oils has the highest smoke point? Peanut oil, extra virgin olive oil, canola oil, or coconut oil. Now here's where the question is squad. Oh they all refined, Yes, they refined. Sure your choices again, which one has the highest smoke point? Peanut, extra virgin, olive, canola or coconut? And score? Just for fun? Please? Phil can't take it. He's such a trivia guy. Have we talked about it on this podcast? Like Phil's like serious trivia Like he when when covid started, he would host meat Eater trivia nights over zoom Like, I don't know if it's weekly, but he'll just bring people people to trivia nights at bars. It shifted into karaoke the for the last few weeks. When you switch back from that, give me a shout. Really, yeah, first time I hung out with Phil outside of work was supposed to be a trivia night and then it was a karaoke night. Did you do up and do it anything? Oh? Man? I do songs all the time. Really yeah? What's the song that you do? Um? Most recently did Neon Moon by Brooks and Dunn. I did Crocodile Rock, John, Phil and I did a duet. We did, we did. We did a shadow from the latest Stars Are In movie with Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga. Do you want to guess who is who? I don't know. I was Bradley Cooper. He was Lady Gaga, but like always, he stole the show. Did great. Okay, let's not keep going here. Alright, alright, does everyone have an answer? Reveal your answers. We have extra virgin olive oil at three hundred fifty degrees, coconut oil at three hundred fifty degrees, canola oil at four hundred degrees, and the correct answer peanut oil is four fifty. Oh. Yeah, so we had a big win for Steve. Oh, I just put a peanut Okay, yeah, I saw him. Clay, would you know? I didn't get it right? So everybody but Phil and Clay. It's got to Clay as honest man, because it's like there's very few people, very few people that I would trust to do it remotely. That's right. He could be playing Google and we wouldn't even know. But but Clay is, like, I trust him. It's that trust. I'm terrible at trivia. To question to the topic is first? First, First, what is the name for a female fox? Ah, what is the name for a female fox? I don't think that's a fur question. To be honest, with you. I think it's like mammalogy. Sure. Uh, it's hard to look for feedback. It's hard to integrate first into the trivia. So this is this is the first question. Do you ever give tips? I'll give you some points. I will not give a hint. No, can we do that game where what's that game where you give the answer to a question? Jeopardy? Okay? For a future one? Uh? The answer is plue? Remember that, and you're making craft a question out of that? Okay, okay, So remind you. The question is what is the name for a female fox? Steve was very confident and had an answer before I finished the question. But the rest of the room does not look like they have it. I'm on it, don't don't. Oh, all right, here we go reveal your answers. We have a lot of Okay, The correct answer, as Steve and Clay have is vixen. Here's another one. What is in the round? Okay? I remember that a male fox is called a dog fox or todd, a baby fox is called a pup kit or cub, and a group of foxes is called a skulk or a leash or a female is a vixen. Can you hit me the group again, I never heard that is a skulk or a leash. Huh, really skulk because used other places skulking around. I saw you out there, skulk. You spoke off be good in fox tense. So we have Steve got the first two right, so this is more like it. Man questions. I got humiliated question three, and I would consider this probably the toughest question of the batch for today. This is a visual question, but I'm gonna do such a damn good job describing what these guys are looking at that if you're listening this, you're gonna be able to play along and know what's happening. I'm holding in my hand a bench made steep Country knife, and I would wager say this is like the most popular knife in the office. Anytime I'm in the field with one of you fellas, I feel like you guys have the steep Country Yeah, go to the meater dot com. You can see the knife and buy it. That's right. And you may not know it, but one of the reasons you like it so much is because of these notches in the back of the blade. So the question is a little warm grippers, what do you call the small notche or filework cut into the back of a knife blade song. Yeah, that's a tough one, Spencer, Karen, can you help me describe what it is? I'm I'm we're looking at here in the room. You know. It's like if you, oh, wait, this part by the handle note on the blade. So if you're holding the knife and your thumb lines up with the non sharp obviously part of the blade above the handle, you've got some ridges like you could really kind of coarsely maybe file your nail. That's right. So what do you call these small notches or filework cut into the back knife? I don't I haven't seen anyone come up with an answer yet. Well, I got one written down. Yeah, I don't think I have it, but descriptions. Everybody ready reveal your answers. Nobody got it right. The correct answer is jimping. What this is the jimping of a knife? J I M P I n G. Wow. That's great. That's good trivia right there there. Occasionally, these repeating ridges are just for aesthetics, Like if if you went into a gas station and they had like some big Rambo knives right that are like twelve inches long, then it would just be like an aesthetics thing. But for a knife like the steep Country Um, these have a real purpose, and that is to keep your index finger or thumb from sliding around. Yeah. Sure, that's why I call him thumb grippers. But I'm in that's what I called it to what I called it scoring on my chart on my little Deally knife. Makers call it file work. No, they call it jimping play. I'm gonna need this spoon expert to verify that's a real term spencer and everything. But he probably I think he probably does these right. I want to know how he came across the gymping. I was actually reading the description of our steep country knife and bench made uh talked about how this is why this is one of the reasons why it's the perfect field knife. It's because the jimping is so good. If I type in jumping into Google, it auto fills jimping knife, jimping file, jimping definition, jimping patterns. I'll go to jimping knife and low and behold it's little thumb grippers at the top side base of the blade. That's right, So you didn't even know it. But when you're gutting out a deer or skinning a turkey or something. That thing is helping you out a lot. Here's a YouTube. So there's an outfit called three River Blades. Back in two thousand twelve posted a video knife making tutorial. How do I add jimping to an already made knife? There you go throw that term around. Now, you sound like a real outdoorsman. Question four, and I'll remind the audience, nobody got question three right. So if you did get it right, you're damn smart person. Question for categories public lands? What state leads America in bigfoot sightings? Who? What you're going to put down? Washington? What state leads America in bigfoot sightings? Now? Is this one of those like, um oh, it's so obvious? Or is this one of those I didn't know that. I am a host that does not provide hinds, so you can I mean, this would be a tough one to verify. I would feel like, I mean, there's not like I have a solved, you know, like website where you put up websites? There is So when when I reveal the answer, I will give you my source, Clay, and I think you'll be satisfied, just play along. Would you reminder what state leads America in bigfoot sightings? Does everybody have an answer? Reveal your answer? The correct answer, which I see nobody has is Washington. Is it like, Oh, that's obvious or is it I didn't know that? And then what did I say? Well, you didn't tell me I didn't know that state. Uh, Phil was the only one who got it right. This stat comes from the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organizations, who has been tracking Sasquatch sightings since in the last twenty five years, Washington has had six hundred and seventy six bigfoot sidings. Amazingly, Oregon, their neighbors to the south, has only had two hundred and fifty four big foot sidings, which is less than states like Florida, Ohio, and Illinois. See. I think it's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy thing for Washington because people flock there because they that's like the bigfoot state, and then they supposedly see big foot. This is absolutely a question about people, not about Bigfoot. God. I'm finding it's like this game, it's not so much what you know, it's how good you are at Like how good. You are your own psychology man. There you go psychology. The first thing that popped into my mind was Washington. You said that I was like poison, Well, poison the well damn man, Phil you keeping track score. I picked Oklahoma because Oklahoma there was a senator that proposed a bigfoot hunting season like legitimately. Question five, the category is fish. What do you call the hybrid fish that's created by a large mouth bass and a small mouth bass? Oh? What do you call the hybrid fish that's created by a large mouth bass and a small mouth bass. I should really pay more attention when I'm atting bent. Everybody have an answer, yes, reveal your answers. The correct answer, which I see nobody has, is a meanmouth bass. Yeah, here's Steven's close mouth. If you someone to think you foul hooked a bass, that's the hard spelled Yeah, a mean mouth bass. It got its name in the nineteen sixties from biologists that watch a pond of them attack humans and dogs that would wade into shallow water. The meanmouth world record was broken earlier this year with a seven pound, nine ounce bass from Texas. If you want to see the pictures of it, go to the media dot Com and read Maggie held those Juni leventh article titled the most interesting world record of the year. That is an announcer right there. Yeah, you've really overestimated this group of players. No, no, I like it, like this man like man. So we are halfway through. Can you give us a scoreboard of date? Phil? In first place? We have Steve Ronella. I thought I'm tired Clay with two. I think Clay only has one. Yeah, everyone else has one. I'm kicking ass, dude, game halftime, anybody can win, that's right. Question six. The category is mountain men. I have a lot of faith in this room to get this one right. Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, and Hugh Glass all have this cause of death in common. Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, and Hugh Glass all have this cause of death in common? How specific? Just general? I will accept a general answer. I got it. Jebediah Smith, Jim Beckworth, confident, and Huge Glass, three famous mountain men, all have this cause of death in common. I'm confident, and I hope I'm confident in my guess. I think Steve was confident, Yanni was confident. I'm sure Steve got this one all right? Everybody has an answer. Reveal your answer the correct answer, which only Steve has. All three were killed by Native Americans. Jebediah Smith was shot by comanches in Kansas. Hugh Glass was shot by a rick. Jedediah Smith. Jedediah Smith was killed out a water hole by Native Americans in Kansas near modern day Kansas because his effects wound up in his effects wound up in Santa Fe or Taos. Just read about this, those Kansas double check me while I explained the rest of the answer. Jebediah Smith shot by comanches in Kansas, Jed Dada Jededi Hugh Glass shot some trivit for you buster, bring him strong, Okay, I did not know that. And while some historians believe Jim Beckworth died of natural causes, his personal friend and founder of the Rocky Mountain News, William Buyers, claims he was poisoned to death by the crow in Montana. Mhm, that's how those three Fellers died. Man, I am pulling out a strong lead. So Steve three, everyone else one? I got what by Tucker Carlson question seven? And again I have faith in the room. Categories cooking. The culinary term el dente refers to the dumbness of what food item. Ah, come on, man, this isn't in the This isn't I know it, but this isn't in the How does this have any to do with anything we talked about. We have plenty of recipes in your cookbook, on our website, on your TV shows that I imagine use this food item. The culinary term dante refers to the dumbness of what food item. I think a better one would have been, like, what does it mean? The definition of it? Everyone had I'm I'm I'm already being hard enough on you, guys. I feel like you need some help. Gimme disappointed, reveal your answers. Everybody except for Chester as the correct Clay does it because he put up two answers. I can't do that. The correct answer is pasta dente. Pasta is supposed to be firm to the bite. According to chef Jesse Griffiths, who studied and worked in Italy, all pasta should be cooked to al dente, with the only exceptions being baked dishes like lasagna. Doesn't mean something like to the two correct yes. I also would have accepted rice. Some people use it for rice, but more commonly it would be pasta. When we come out with the game, let's not put that one in there because it was too easy. We're gonna develop a board game. I'm in question eight. The category is hunting, and this is an audio question. I'm going to play for you a calling sequence and you need to identify what game bird it's from. M hmm. Everybody ready, very excited. Here we go. What game bird is the noise from? Mm hmm. See, Steve came up with an answer fairly fast. I don't like my answer. The rest of the room not so much. Okay, everybody feel your answer. The correct answer is teal, which nobody got correct green winged teal. Although most hunters consider tealed to be one of the fastest ducks, they're actually some of the slowest, with flight speeds of thirty miles per hour. The fastest duck ever recorded was a red breasted merganser traveling at one hundred miles per hour while being pursued by an airplane. You know, I think why teals seem so fast as they fly low and erratically. The erratic thing is definitely, but any duck any duck hunter you'd asked me, like, what's fastest bird? I'm convinced they would say teal because they I mean, they kind of like they're so low. They often come in unannounced and so you don't see them until they're like going buy your face and they're dodging and just give Ocean ducks too are known to be pretty fast. Answer hundred miles an hour. And that stat comes from ducks unlimited. So if you've got a problem, Clay, take it up with them. We are on the question nine, Phil, can you give us a scoreboard update with two questions left? Yes, In third place with one point, we have Chester the investor in sect type. For second place, we have Karin, Janice and Clay with two and in first place it's Steve with four. You say last for third? I think right? The third is last. Trying to be nice, He's like you two questions, two questions left winning a bronze medal. We need, uh, we need Steve to get them wrong and other folks to get them right. Question nine. The categories conservation because they're gonna be a lab via category. What year did President Richard Nixon signed the Endangered Species Act? Oh? Steve got it, and it is in the name of the act. Oftentimes, if someone was talking about this, they would say the Endangered Species Act of I got it down here two years. I can't decide where I'm gonna go with. If it helps you all, it was President Richard Nixon, so if you can do some elimination math about when he may have been in office, he signed it one of those years. Mm hmm. Dang, it's two digits, okay, because I do know what, I will not confuse it with like seventeen something. I'm seeing a lot of educated guesses in the room, is what I'm what I'm guessing. Al Right, everybody, reveal your answer. The correct answer that I can't What is the correct answer which nobody got is nineteen seventy three. I had seventy four and surrounded. This replaced the Endangered Species Preservation Act of nineteen sixty six and the Endangered Species Conservation Act of nineteen sixty nine. It passed in the House with a vote of three hundred and fifty five to four, and unanis unanimously passed in the Senate. That's what I love about that story. And when the wilderness at got past is how unanimous they were, and how about how many people said that neither of them had enough teeth they should have made it even yeah, tougher when people talk about the fractious nature in the polarization um of today, and you kind of like, oh no, maybe it's probably like always when you look back, it's some of these things. The past was such widespread support, you realize that there was a time when you didn't, when everything wasn't just like split margins, split margins, split margin. Yeah. And I tried last night, like the Dickens, to find the four people in the house that voted against it, just to like get their reasonings for it. I can't find it on the internet. So if you if you know something that I don't, I'd love to hear about what those four folks had in mind when they voted against it. They're raised from history question ten and Steve has wrapped it up at this point, but everyone else can play for silver medal. The category is fish. In the movie Grumpy Year Old Men, what is the name of the legendary fish that Max and John try to catch, which shares its name with a famous baseball pitcher from the seventies In the movie Grumpy Year Old Men, which I believe is the sequel to Just Grumpy Old Men. What is the name of the legendary fish that Max and John tried to catch? What shares its name with a famous baseball pitcher from the seventies never seen the movie Can't Have You? Do you know any baseball pictures from the seventies? M h, we don't do baseball down here, trying. That's actually not true at all, But damn man, he's a good question. You know what makes some good questions? A lot of them feel like you should know. That's when you know it's a good question. Jest. You're sure looks like he knows all right? Does everyone have an answer? Reveal your answer? The correct answer, which nobody has is Catfish Hunter. Catfish Hunter. The real person his real name was James Hunter, but the Oakland A's owner gave him the Moniker Catfish because he thought the picture needed a flashy nickname to get the media's attention. And in the movie Grumpy Year Old Man, they actually catch it on what I think is Max's son's wedding day, and it makes him late for the wedding. Catfish Hunter and it's it's a it's a ridiculous fun scene where the flathead catfish comes out of the water as if it's like a blue whale, right, and like, uh yeah, of course, yep, of course. Where did I get Walter from? Because that was one of the character's names. No, one of the actors that plays one of the characters names Walter. Oh yeah, Walter Matho. Damn man, everybody's happy, Steve, where are you going to donate the hundred dollars for Meat Eater? Well, I'm going to donate my hundred dollars to the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. They're on a two oh sweep for this game. There you go. Thanks, better work up some more. Thank you, oh real quick too. If you have a good question you think we ought to include, um, you gotta send it over to Spencer at So here's the address. You send your thing too, Trivia at the Meat Eater dot com. And if it, uh, you know, if it makes the cut, you'll hear us give it on this show. See you guys soon.