00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten in my case underwear listening Hunt podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X and then I probably want to be like within a foot over bottom and then when you feel it you just kind of like jerk it up and then pull it in, or you want to do like an exaggerated setting motion. The rods always this short. Yeah, that's a normal. When Steve as over there is the custom long day And what's the logic about the really short rod? Because you're fishing such close quarters? You know, long rod, you had to be ten feetback, you know. There you go, drop it down a little, there you go, leave it, don't move it, don't move it. Oh you scared him? Hey him? Hit him? Hit him? Whilere you aiming that up at the sky, they lift him up gran closer to your face. First tish through the ice, mm hmm, first time on the ice. How about ever, have you fished before? You all set up Phil for us inside everybody welcome. We are in a giant. Oh get Jimmy, Yes, Jimmy, Yeah, in a giant ask him o ice shanty fishing. The bite is on and off. This thing is uh, this shanty is bigger than our podcast studio. It's called the fat Fish. It's got like what else, It's like the fat fish something. I just saw the fat Fish. It's a nine person shanty. Nine but we're fishing one. We're fishing and that's why you need to bring a little mini gas at the hole. About that like soup ladle thing you used to scoop the ice out of the holes, the soup ladle. That the skimmer, the skimmer. If you you must eat some thick ass soups. If you sup with a skimmer, if you scoop sup with a skimmer, the bite is on and off. We got some We got some cameras down. We got a camera down that looks so good. It's like, uh, what the Markham quest HD. It's like why I feel like we're like you could watch the super Bowl on this thing, like right now we're watching uh Bluegill, give my my little boy at the stair down here. He calls Jimmy he's just looking at it. Yeah, better than the podcast studio. Here we are nine person shanny um, we're talking a spencer explained. The main thing we're gonna do, like explain what the um explain. The fact Checker series Less it was on the podcast I should call it the ball Buster. That might be confused people. You get a whole you get a whole different sort of go ahead. Less. It was on the podcast we covered some of the recent fact checkers that I had written, like should you drink you're in in a survival situation? The answer is no, our daddy long legs. So yeah, it was like the whole Bear Grylls his entire careers based off of false No. Another one we talked about, um, our daddy long legs, go ahead, sorry, our daddy long legs the most venomy spider in the world. Uh, the answer is no. And there's a whole bunch of things wrong with that statement. You can go back and listen to that episode with Danielle and I for you want to hear more about those. So so those are similar things we cover in the fact Checker series. Can I ask the fact checker question, uh, do you do you do you like what if the fact, what if you're like, yes, in fact it's true, do you get less interested in it? No? No, because one of the ones, like the ones where it's wrong, I like that. Um. I think within the series, I've only had a handful that are true. One of them was one that You're best buddy and amateur story and he missed, come on, but you're watching ahead. Sorry. But one of the true ones that we recently covered, uh, was one that Joe Rogan loves to repeat, and that's that during World War One, they had to have a ceasefire to like beat down the wolves that were moving in on him. And yeah, and that's like a legit story. That one was true. In nineteen seventeen, there were a bunch of newspapers like the Passo Harald, the New York Times, the Oklahoma City Times. I think those are the three places that already reported on this. This dispatch came out of Berlin talking about how, uh, the war that was fought in like these rural areas had displaced large packs of wolves and heading them moving into uh, like these small villages and stuff, and they were taking down a bunch of goats and cattle and in two inst children. They killed children. The wolves also ended up like just going to the front lines and eating on wounded fighters, and it was all true. Historians estimates that they killed hundreds of wolves during this time, that they even took a break from shooting at each other to kill wolves. They deciding on wounded people, they decided to have a ceasefire if this were to happen, and it did happen. Um, it's hard to focus talking to someone who's catching so many finished a little bit, a little bit. It was so bad that they described the wolves as a plague, and in that one that's true. It's hard to believe, but that one happens. So some fact checkers are in the like European wolves are like sort of a different kind of groove man, because like in Romania, you get like, you know, they're they're more inclined. Uh, European look at this. They're they're more inclined to Uh. It's very hard to do this. Uh, it's very hard to host while you're well, I almost need to put down my rock another one, dude, I'm just like on fire. European wolves are more inclined to bite folks. One of the courts from the ninet seventeen New York Times. Articles said poison, rifle, fire, hand grenade, and even machine guns were successively tried in attempt to eradicate the nuisance. Why in the world when you're fighting a fish, do you know what a rod is supposed to do? Yeah? You did, But I'm doing I'm doing this Like, Okay, it's customary when fishing to not point the rod directly at the sky you're shooting for a sort of like you want to think of your shooting sort of a ninety degree angle between the the Yeah, yep, I see what you're doing. You're you're moving it so that you're rod. Is someone who's got the vocabulary to explain what you can explain what I'm doing. So like instead of moving the rod vertically up exactly, I am like whipping my wrist back so that the rod is like at a What is this? Do you a long particular to the ground. I have never seen one. I've never seen someone do that. I take that as a compliment. Uh, maybe I feel like you're enough guiding Steve, Tell give me more. What all fact checkers should we discuss? So you said, these European wolves like to bite a bunch of the New York Times articles. The wolves nowhere to be found quite so large and powerful as in Russia, were desperate in their hunger and regardless of danger. So it agrees with you there like that that this displacement and all this warfare had driven him to dire measures. Ye, and uh, then the two side it's had two dire measures and started fighting the wolves instead of each other. So what got you interested in that? Fact checker was Rogan? Yeah, he repeated it, and like, I surely hope this is true because that's a large audience that's hearing that. Oh, just let me perch in the house, just nailing him. You know, he's tearing up. You want to keep that one, but you want to keep this one. Uh. Comp things we're gonna talking about. I got I got some like comments, um and I tried to keep them mostly uh, ICE related. You'll watch it's it's you're gonna see some elastic you gonna see some hosting, some very flexible hosting. UM one, I just can't figure out maybe something canna help me how to make it seem relevant to to the Ice one is, Uh, this is what I need help on. We're talking ear today about ethanol and gas and what it does like boat motors and whatnot. The I have some steel chainsaws wrote in with some clarifications like why you don't you see uh when you go to a gas station you see like the big signs ethanol free or low ethanol and all that. And we're talking about what degrees that old like to do, you know, like old engines didn't like ethanol, but modern engine supposed the tolerant. The guys with steel chainsaws were saying that um ethanol can start breaking down and separating from fuel and as little as one week. They're saying that when running machines for extended periods of time, you can use the E ten fuel with the right oil mixture because the ethanol doesn't have time to break down. He's talking about like your vehicle, like you you run through vehicle gas and your vehicle quick enough where it's just not you know, not lingering. But he said the number one problem with small equipment seems to be fouling from ethanol. When it breaks down, it can come up the carbon fuel system and break down the rubber hoses. They say, if you're using ethanol fuel, they recommend you run the fuel all the way to your engine before you store it for an extended period of time. They say that either way. For for equipment, they say that non ethanol fuels preferred, and steel actually makes prey. He goes on to say this, did uh. Steel makes pre mixed fuel with no ethanol called modo mix, So they make like a pre mix fuel and now a regular fuel with no ethanol called modo mix, and is saying that when you buy these cans of this stuff, it has a shelf life of over ten years when unopened. Yeah. Nice, yes, think of that. What are you doing? Yi? Looking up how to fish? First? One? Falmouth, falmouth bass coming up? Big mouth billy, big mouth billy coming up. It's fighting so hard that Miles's cameras rocking back and forth. But I'm onto one. Oh, I think you're stupid. Bass tangled. My rod feels like it. Oh, they stripped me man, Miles. That's a long fight for him, playing it very loose. Drag get them big mouth, it's not that big giant. Don't make a nice fried fish sandwich. No, we're not keeping that fish. It's why would we not keep it? Please? Miles caught it his fish the side. I don't need that fish if you want people like catching those, Oh jimmy, people like catching those big bass accidently and drop it. I don't understand why we would let it go. Because here people want to come down. There are very few limited numbers of perch and blue gills. I'll keep. I promise, I will keep all the perch and blue girl for you, buddy. I'm gonna let the basket. Uh. You know, but people like to catch those things. You're kind of in a local town pond here. You don't want to You're in a local town pond. And yeah, if you keep it, if you get you a lot of five a day, bud, Uh, here's a good one. Hold on, what do you get? It looks like you're loading up a lot over there on your bait. You know why, because I'm hosting, and when i'm hosting, I'm not able to pay as much attention as i'd like, and they keep stripping me. So I'm trying to find some way that I can keep in the game and their mind there, my worms. Anyway that you're trying something over there that might help me catch some fish too. No, I'm just trying to keep in the game when I can be inattentive. Uh, how do you make that ice? Oh? You know? I I don't know how to make it ice applicable? You know, everything a little mess your engine up because if you drop it through the water in your field. No, yeah, you drop it into the ice spencer saying that you drop Um, we're talking about who dropped the most expensive thing down the whole. I saw a lot of spuds go through. Not a lot, but I've seen spuds go through. We one time dropped a three thirty cond of bear down through a hole in the ice trap beavers. But we were able to get it back out with a long pole. But you lost your range finder and put a range finder down one I think like any good midwesterner, Uh, you seamlessly transition from hunting season into fishing season, but not into skiing season or something. You know, it goes into you go into fishing season. So you're wearing like the same warm bibbs that you were hunting with in December, and then you go ice fishing in them forget your range finders in your jacket. You lean over range finder down the hall. That did you U? Did you make any attempt at retrieval. No, I think it was like twenty some feet of water. We're getting that one back. Uh. You know how we've been covering this Ile Royal situation. So like Ile Royal in my is a in my home state. It's an island up in Lake Superior. It's kind of like at a map, it looks like it's more like belonged to Ontario. They got kind of screwed. It seems it's our it's mission, it's America's island. Kind of looks like it should belong to Ontario. Nice perch Nice perch. Ile Royal. We've talked. You should go back and listen to the whole library episode. So this thing is the Isle Rod is kind of crazy where historically I'm not talking like way asks ago. I mean in in in the modern era of the United States, um Ile Royal in Lake Superior was a Lynx Caribou island, which is kind of crazy to think about. But over time of transition and stuff like comes and goes across the ice and at some point in time this is a little bit controversial, like how this happened. Fish on Um at some point interupted. Just for a second, I need some bait. Can you give me one of those eyeballs? And we a lot of these eyeballs here in Montana. Technically it's a game. You have to use a sucker eyeball. All right, well, don't give me an eyeball, and then I'll take one of the worms. So i'le Royal. Historically, out Lake Superior, northern Michigan was had links and Caribean it and at some point in time, and it's a little bit like there's a little bit debate about how this happened, but moose, uh probably the lake froze and moose walked out and got on the island, and at some point in time later, um, when the in the winter when the ice is frozen, this island got colonized by wolves, and people kind of really like fell in love with this sort of moose wolf situation out there, um, and it sort of became this thing where like I was like, oh, it's so great, we have moose and wolves out of Isle Royal, and it's all great and happy. But over time you've had these kind of wild fluctuations, and right now you have a diminishing wolf pack where the existing wolf pack that was out there got down to like two wolves. So someone had the great idea of to increase the naturalness of this place, they would just truck new wolves out there, and the truck new wolves out there, and the first thing the new wolves do is kill the two existing wolves that lived out there. And they're still not getting the moose population under control. So this this state represented named Stephen Johnson from Michigan's our seventies two district. He's sponsoring some legislation in the state um that's moving out of committee and passing through the State House. That would be a resolution. So it's basically a thing that opens a conversation where a resolution suggesting that the National Park Service should be using hunting to limit the wolves on Isle Royal, and some people got all they're they're all worked out about this, but he points out that this would be a thing that the National Park Service has done this, They've used hunts to control all their wildlife populations in the past. You kind of have this a little bit of like aquarium situation out there. I feel where um, you know, it's just it's this small, almost like experimental little place, and I think it's a great idea because everybody's talking about there's too many wolves. They're eating themselves out of house and home. People be happy to go hunt them there. The wolf thing is not coming along right now. It would be a quick solution to the problem. Some people are freaked out there, Oh, they'll just wind up hunting the wolves into extinction. But he points out that they monitor these moves very closely and they can just decide if their numbers get down, they can decide some year, let's job buddy to issue zero permits at all. So he's offered to come on the show sometime and talk about this. So that we got an email from a waterfowl researcher, So like a duck researcher who's doing work on ducks in breeding. There are things and one of the things they're looking at this kind of interesting is it looking at the implications of what's called game farm mallards. And up until a couple of years ago, I had no idea there is such thing. But we were in Chesapeake Bay. We're hunting seeking here, right, that's right, And I was looking off this bridge just kind of like a famous duck hunting area that we're in, and I'm looking off this bridge and there's all these mallards that like for being deering hunting season and in a heavily hunted area, these mallards just kind of like sitting in acting weird in a weird place. And I commented on it, and a friend of mine was pointing out how those are like game farm mallards, which people calm and they're like, man, I want to get a duck. I don't care. And so they raise these mallards up and let them go, and people kind of pretend to hunt them. What's the locals term they had a term for those ducks, remember, is they just dummy ducks? Dummy ducks that might have been at Yeah, I'd be like, if you're like you kind of like the sounds of hunting, but you're not actually any good at it, or you don't have patients, what you do is you just go and have a guy make dug would be like hunting. Let's say you were hunting, you wanted to go hunt grouse, but you weren't. You couldn't figure it out, so you just hunted chickens instead of a farm yard. But in this case, they raised ducks up and then the ducks kind of look like a wild duck and then people pretend that they're hunting them, in fact, they're just kind of shooting them. So this guy is looking at like what does this mean for wild duck populations? And they have all these uh ducks from museum specimens. Um, they've got museum ducks that they were able to do genetic work on to go back to a hundred and fifty years ago, and they're looking at a couple of things. When they're looking at like, how what what is the relationship of black ducks and mallards? And earlier they there was this earlier work that suggested that black ducks with as we get as more and more mallards came into new areas, that it was making the black duck through hybridization. The black duck was kind of vanishing and becoming a mallard through like inbreeding or not inbranding, hybridization with mallards. And they're found the contrary to that that's not actually true. But the interesting thing is is these like fake duck farms, the dummy duck farms, are in the Atlantic Flyway and and looking at it, they find that these flyways are actually like the Western Flyway. So they go in and look at what were mallards like, you guys track what I'm staying here. They're able to go, look like, what were mallards like a hundred and fifty years ago? And then what has happened since people started doing these game farm mallards? And they found that in the western US the mallards are the same as historical mallards. Okay, so specimens from a hundred and fifty years ago still resemble ducks in the Western US. But they've established that in the eastern North America, So in the eastern part of the country where you have these game farms, that mallards are not genetically the same thing as they were one and fifty years ago. In breeding with released game farm mallards is the source of the unique genetic signature now found in the high abundance across the Atlantic Flyway. And sadly, that's me saying sadly, not him to some extent now being found in the Mississippi Flyway the eastern mallards. So mallards in the eastern US are becoming a game farm wild hybrid swarm. Oh there is If you kill a mallard in the Eastern US, there is only about a ten percent chance that that duck is pure North American mallard. It's about a chance that some of bitch is part fake mallard from game farm stocking practices. That a bummer. Yeah, hunting should be easier. Huh So, I mean, do you consider what we're doing right now fishing? I mean, because they're fishing uh entered us fish. Yeah, I mean it sounds like if we're going to say that hunting for introduced ducks doesn't count as hunting, then if someone was if we were in a little you know, when you go to a sportsman show and they have a kiddie pool filled with trout, Do I think that's fishing. I'm gonna go ahead and guess no, and I wouldn't. That was fishing. Game farm mallards are not. It's like preserved pheasants and wild peasants. Okay, you're fishing wild fish. They were introduced in this moment, we are, But there are plenty of places where you're fishing for hatchery raised fish that have been planted. There are tons of put in take stock fisheries all over this country. Would call those semi fake fish. You would call those semi fakes. But here's the thing. Picture that you're in a place where you already have something good. You have mallards, you have wild mallards. You're taking something that's existing in there and corrupting it by adding like an easier version of it. It's not the same thing. So, I mean, we we do have an example that from fishing, I would say all the stocking practices that are happening on the West coast with an adremus fish, with your steel head, with your salmon, those are contributing to a population decline in the wild fish. But people love to catch them and they want to be able to take those fish. You've got a whole industry built around taking fish, and as a result of that, you've got a diminishing wild population. Then condemn it. That's that's a tough thing to do. When you condemn that, you're essentially when you can When you condemn that, you're essentially shutting down any kind of harvest from those fisheries because the wild stocks are so down they can't sustain them. I that maybe, and I agree that there are a lot of areas with fisheries and even some areas of hunting that are confused. Okay, but I don't feel the need to be so consistent that I can't point out a version of things that I think is is kind of perverse. And I think that that having in an area that has wild mallards and wild duck hunting, to have it be that you're in and that's a native bird, right, It's a native distinct bird, and you're corrupting that in the exact same landscape where it survives. It'd be like, let's say you had Let's say you had in ok here's a great example. Here's a great example. Take Google's turkeys down in southern Arizona. Okay, you have these island mountain chains that have had these historic populations of Gould's turkeys that someone said, yeah, goolds are cool, but there's just not that many of them, and they started just dumping shiploads of pen raised Eastern turkeys into those mountains. Would you feel that that was a travesty? Absolutely, and for the you lost the Gould's turkey. For the record, I am not in favor of the practice that you're talking about, and I'm not happy about this change or the the information you just laid out. It was more of like a semantic conversation about that doesn't count as hunting when I just sort of thought, like I'm sitting here catching completely non native fish out of stock pond, thinking does this counts fishing? Right? So I think there are these very fine lines that you have to look at. You can talk about how introducing certain species to be able to hunter fish them has negative impact on the native species, and that's problematic, right, And that's one argument. But then to say that introduced species don't count as as hunting, like that gets to be problematic. I think for people, I think that gets to be an issue that can be sensitive and can can rub people the wrong way. So I'll change all my words around. I'll say the same thing but use different words. Okay, Um, in this case, I think that that is is uh trying to say different words aren't swear words. But what will that it rest? Yeah? No, I'm sticking by my analogy. Okay, let's say this. Let's do this one. You're here in the Rocky Mountain West. Let's say you had some pristine high mountain lake. They had some beautiful native cut throat that had been there for thousands of years doing its own thing, and they're rare and they're hard to catch what they're there. And then some days some guys like, you know what to make this lake really great fishing is, let's dump a whole bunch of a different kind of cutthroat in there, because they get bigger and they're easier to catch. And then a hundred and fifty years later, someone looks and says, you know what, that unusual like endemic uh trout that was found nowhere else doesn't exist anymore because some guy thought it was too hard to catch. Absolutely, and I mean that happens. This is not we're talking about hypotheticals, but a lot of the fish species of trout's beaches around here we're put in because they get bigger and they're easier to catch, or maybe not easy to catch, but more fun to catch than the natives. What they do, they have competed them. On the same page. One last little bit of listener feedback. We're talking about the gnome unicorn I'm sorry, the gnome catching a mermaid shirt, the controversial gnome catching a mermaid shirt, and the guys wondering, uh, our mermaids oviparous or viviparous? Do you know what that means. No. I was just gonna ask you what both of those words mean. You don't know oviparous and viviparous. This guy that asked this question his his signature line, you know how he'll have a signature line. It just tells you, like what you do for life or whatever. His signature line is a college student. Does that mean do they breathe underwater? Reproduction? So, viviparous are those, uh, you know, creatures who produce living young instead of eggs from within the body, in the manner of nearly all mammals, many reptiles and a few fishes. Oviparous are animals that lay eggs with little or no other embryonic development within the mother. So like a perch, for instance, here would be an oviparous creature. Yeah, got it. But the viparous, like, you know, there's something you ever see some sharks to have like an egg sac did they have with like a very developed It'll leave me like on them very developed little shark inside it. But he's worried about mermaids. That's a great question, because I don't know what uh, I don't really even understand the orifice scenario on a mermaid, Like, I don't know what orifices are on a mermaid and what they do and how many they are? Do they even eat? They gotta eat? They live in a fantasy world. Yeah, maybe they subsist off of dreams. Yeah, what what do you think? Do you think they like that there's no sex for mermaids? Okay, yeah, I like to think that that. I like to think that they have that as part of their lives. Uh, that's ever listener feedback now special, let's dive into because I want I want to dive back into the fact checker situation because we're here to talk about fact Checker is a series? Are you the only person that writes fact checkers? Brodie Henderson has written a few. Fact Checker is a series where you take things that everyone knows to be true because they were told that it's true by their grandfather who learned it from their grandfather and passed LNG from generation, and you just know that it's true. Outdoorsmen specifically, Yeah, these are outdoors fact Outdoors things that we all know are like, oh, of course everyone knows that that's a buck ship. Yep, that's not a dough ship. Yep. Or that's a buck track, that's not a dough track, or that little spike corn will never become a big, huge, giant buck because he's a spike corn and everyone knows that a spike is never gonna be a big buck. Or hey, that's a six point he must be too. All things that are like just widely accepted among sportsman full moon, that's not good for hunting, yep. The most recent one that we covered was about Spencer. I was so distracted that a fish almost took my rod, but it didn't. But it didn't. I caught it just in time. Go on. The most recent one was do you lose half of your body heat through your head? Of course do all? I think all anyone knows. The parents have repeated that to their children. Yeah. So when I tell my kids, I'm like, put you, They're like, I'm cold. I like, put your head up, but my head's not cold. I'll tell me about all your body He goes out your head perfect, So like my my i'm cold. Put your mittens on, my hands aren't cold, or my hands are cold of it. Put your gloves on, but my hands are cold. I'm sorry, my hands are cold. Like put your jacket on, but it's my hands that are cold. They think that each thing has its own little life. Yeah. So uh for these fact checkers, I always try to track down the origin of where these things might have started. It's often not very easy. But this one was very specific about you losing half of your body heat through your head. And it the earliest the earliest mentioned this is from a the U. S. Army Field Manual in the nineteen fifties, which said, isn't that full of a lot of like weird bogus and stuff? How could that be true? Uh? Because it was the nineteen fifties, I suppose, Oh do you think it's a lot of ideas that have just fallen from favor? Yeah? Yeah, So so this was from the nine fifties. It said you lose your body heat through your head. This idea has been revisited since with better science, more specific science. I I don't you've been know what they were basing this off of. It was something about, um, some Arctic studies that they had done where they had people bundle way up believe their head not bundled, and then they tracked how cold they were getting. Um. But but it wasn't very accurate. More modern studies have shown that this is not true. You actually lose seven to ten percent of your body snificantly through your head. Now, no, it's uh, it's actually pretty simple. It's it's just like the amount of skin showing the proportion of that to the body heat that you lose. So like your head is like seven the skin on your body, so then that is the amount of heat that you'll lose. And so it's like simple. If you were wearing shorts in the winter, uh, then heat is escaping through your legs. If you're not wearing hat in the winter, then heat is escaping through your head. What if you have like a lot of hair and you take a shower and your hair is wet. You go out and it like is cold enough for your wet hair turns to icicles, which sometimes will happen with me. Is that is like the head some kind of conduit though, for that's a good question temperatures or something, just because there's maybe the modern studies didn't look at women showering and walking outside. I don't know an answer to simply put, the amount of heat you lose is proportion to the amount of skin showing Okay, interesting, all right, hype was another one was another thing that I know was true. Another one so big box stores if they find out, hold on, he said, you're telling me that. Okay. I I had a hard time with the transition there. Okay, go on, because I'm trying to fix my boards fishing. Okay, okay. So another one that all out door has been have heard at some point is that if somebody kills a big giant buck, oh yeah, that then their phone is blowing up with phone calls from outdoor stores like Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabella's Best Pro, Gander Mountain, all clamoring to buy the antlers from whatever you just killed. Which I know you've heard this before. Met someone. Yeah, I know a guy that sold That'll type. When you're done, I'll tell you the story because it might be the exception to the rule. We're going. Yeah, so you shoot a big buck and all of a sudden you get rich because he sell it to a big box story. And but you hear about this every year. I've heard about my whole life. Yeah. The earliest one that they would when I was a kid, one of my buddies in his house, his dad had this enormous white tail rack above their fireplace. It was a perfect four by four and it's the biggest four by four I've ever seen in my life. And I had been told that Cabelli's had called him every year, offering them like more and more money and persistent yeah, and they had just turned them down like, nope, it's a family heirloom. Our grandpa found them on the farm land. Uh, we're not interested in giving them up. Would not let it rest, not let it rest. That was like the earliest example I can think of this. But every one amount of mind did it get to. Uh, So let's come back to that at the end about like what you know, what kind of money were they getting offered? I don't know. This was a middle school memory that I since revisited when I called his dad see if that was a reality or not. But I put out a calling to other people have killed big giant bucks, big giant elk um to see what their experience has been. And one of the guys that got back to me was Joshua Bruce. He killed the second biggest white tail in Mississippi state history. Um. And it was shortly after he killed this dear he got Jeff Foxworthy. Well that was Georgia. Sorry, recently killed like an arch or some kind of biggest archery buck for the year. I didn't know that. So Joshua Bruce, he killed the second biggest buck in Mississippi's state history. Shortly after he killed it, he got an offer from a local sporting good store owner for thirty to thirty five dollars for real for day. I want to know, is it for the originals or does it does kill for the original So Joshua was mulling over this offer, and he had taken his time. He had taken about a week to decide if he was going to accept this offer. And before he was going to get back to this sporting good store owner, this local chain in the South, Bass Parole approached him with quote unquote, a better offer now in the contract, but they're wanting to buy it, buy it. It's like so in the contract that uh Joshua signed with Bass Pro when he end up selling these, it was agreed upon that he couldn't disclose um what the exchange exactly was. So Joshua was trying to protect the market. Yeah, Joshua couldn't tell me what Bass probe paid, but he said it was a better offer. With that better offer came a large exchange of money. UM. They then gave him some replicas as well, and they are now displaying that buck in their museum in Springfield, Missouri. So he did the sale. He did the sale. This is an interesting thing too, because you can't sell game meeting, you can sell part so that's it's a great example of this. UM. Joshua killed his deer on I believe it's Miles Island or Giles Island. It's this world famous duck in deer hunting Island UM that is positioned between Mississippi and Louisiana. You can hunt there with a tag for either one. He had a Louisiana tag that he killed this deer with, and when it came time to sell it, to hit a snag because in Louisiana you are allowed to sell antlers because they're considered, like uh, a piece of art, but in Mississippi is considered part of the game animals, so you can't. So you couldn't do it. So he had to actually end up getting like a written letter from local game wardens and the d A allowing him to sell this yeah, and it was some amount of money more than thirty five grands, so he couldn't I asked him that specifically. He couldn't say, yesterdor now because he signed a deal never to the school, right. But he said it was a better offer to him. So it could have had something to do with the replicas that he was offered. Um, it was also very valuable to him to have it in that King of Bucks display at the museum. So I don't know the exact amount of money. Huh. Luke Brewster he recently killed. So so this is one of those fact checkers. It's true, Yeah, yep, but I think it's rarer than people put it. Okay, every time, every time a version of how this went. Yeah, we're going on. Luke Brewster recently killed the world He recently killed the world record white tail. That's what he's famous for. Yes, so he's not someone I should know prior to that. Nope, he killed this world record white tail in illinoisen. Uh. He was offered a blake check basically for his deer, and he said so he could have put down um three billion dollars. Uh, No, I don't think so. But that little perch there yeah, i'd like it to. I didn't want to interrupt earlier, but now I will. This is my second purchase of the day. I got a slow start. I was picking up for me. He made it very well known that he wasn't going to shop his dear, and so he just hasn't got any offers since he's hanging onto it. Yes, he's not interested in giving somebody the real thing, even if it meant he could have a replica of his own. He's a fool. The replica party of this is interesting. Part of the deals will make you a replica of your deer. I really interested somebody else who didn't want to be in the article. Um they didn't want their name used. Um like they let me interview him. Who was it they don't want? They gave me all these details. I don't like being with you any when he's fishing because uh, he doesn't catch that many. But then he, uh, he doesn't pay any attention to anything anybody's talking about. We're going. So I I promised him I wouldn't write about it, but I'll give a few details. Yeah, but I want just like a legit journalist. Sometimes I don't even want to say what kind of animal he killed because it might be too easy to figure out was in recent years. This guy killed one of the biggest of this critter in the world. Color is it? He? Then he then got offered a hundred thousand dollars really and he turned it down. He was not interested. He recently shot the biggest something Johnnie, but I don't follow that kind of stuff. And he he didn't want me to discuss this in the article because he didn't. He said he there's crime in the area he lives, and he didn't want it to be out there that he had something in his homes. Um do I mean break it in thief it? Oh, okay, So that's that's why he didn't care to, uh have that written about or have any specifics. He didn't want but a hundred thousand dollars is what he was offered. Doesn't want to do it. I wouldn't do it, and uh it just doesn't even want to know. It's kind of like, that's cool. I respect it, but it's kind of hard for me to picture. Oh yeah, when I was writing, the guys just take a bunch of pictures, get the refelical maiden, and take the hundred thousand dollars and go hunt. My My wife testing me, she asked me, She's like, what would it cost for someone to buy like your biggest deer amount? And I was like, three hundred bucks pay for the shoulder mount, and so I'd be fine with that. Man, I got in the first place. You got student a little still, Oh well yeah yeah yeah, why yeah, why did you have the shoulder mount done the first place? If you'd sell it? Like like having it? Um, Okay, maybe it's not three d five hundred, how about that. I'm just like, it's not It's not so important to me that I can't possibly not have it. I have the memory, I have the pictures. Um like those things. Way more people will ever see the pictures of the deer than they will be exact antlers. I wanna that's not what we're talking about. I want to go back to let's say, Spencer, if you're killed the state record white till for for no South Dakota, would you sell it? I could give you an example. I killed the state record real grand turkey with my bow in South Dakota. Come on, really, yeah, well no, I believe you, but I just don't believe that I don't believe that it's I don't believe in uh turkey storing of turkeys. It had three beards. It had three beards, weighed like twenty three pounds. I have all this documented. This is not going to be a good counter argument because no one really care state record. Just people. We have to help people. There's a thing, there's a there's a form of mental masturbation called turkey measuring. And in turkey measuring, it's the turkey's weight, it's some function, it's some like like some expression of the turkey's weight, the length of his burd and in the length of his beard. But if the turkey gets multiple beards, you measure them all so that some people have turkey beers. In the twenties, yes, my for example, had a triple beard, had eleven nine and seven, so seven inches of beard, which is like the that's the big multiplier. Okay, so okay, let's continue this. So you have a world right state record. I think it's like number state record archery turkey. I think it's I think it's like thirteen in the world. And what equipment and what kind of what kind of offers have you been fielding? I have tried to give it away. I've called, uh the Smithsonian Natural History Museum. They're not interested in it. I've tried giving it to bass Pro and Cabelli's, they're not interested in it. I don't have it mounted though, like I have. All the fan, the beards, the spurs, all that stuff is preserved, so they would have to do what you need to get it out and then they would just mount it and pay the five hundred bucks or whatever it is to to mount but turkey. Um, but nobody's interested in And that was also part of his fact checkers that one guy, um who do you want me to give his name? As a former trophy curator for Fast Pro Slash Cabellas, he said that these places are sitting on such a big inventory amounts that a lot of them will just never see like a show room floor, because it's they're not like clamoring to have, uh, just like average critters anymore. And so to them, a rio grand turkey with three beards is just like don't don't eat it. Mm hmm. Yanni will now tell you the story that we know Yanni tied into his third fish of the day. Yanni will not tell you the story we know, and I'll have my thumb up or down depending on how good of a job I think he's doing at remembering the details. So my thumb is level right now, I think you should just tell it. I don't remember the details all that. Are you talking about bucks story? Yeah? Yeah, I mean I can give you a very very here let me hear what you got. Let me hear you got very very bridge version of it. Do you remember the circumstances under which he was hunting? Uh? No, I remember? You mean that he was guiding somebody. Wasn't He wasn't, but I thought that he was guiding somebody. And then they didn't kill the bull, right, that's correct. Yeah, And as a giant, he was like, dude, you should really kill him. And the guys didn't like something about the bulls anglers didn't have enough raw times or wasn't wide enough for something to Bucks like, you're an idiot. Later, Bucks out hunting by himself, and he's like, you know, no, he just out hunt by himself and happened to come across. You remember better than I got the part about the client come across the same bowl and Buck wasn't looking for that bowl but happened to come across that same bowl and shot it and then I don't I don't know how it all went down, but somehow he ended up getting a large it's some crazy a giant I don't want to throw number A giant moose. He would bring it because he would go down to the Harris Harrisburg Sportsman show. Yeah, yeah, he'sad there next week. So he would go to the Harrisburg show and he would took to book clients and he'd bring this big gass moose skull down there to be like, hey, look at the giant moose that come off my place, right, you can picture this. He'd used it as like an advertisement. Well, the way he tells it, one of the Cabella's brothers, I feel like, you like Dick Cabella's or whoever sees it, and he's like, man, do I like that moose? So sends one of his fellers over there to negotiate, and then Buck sold it for like a pretty good chunk of money tens of thousands. I don't remember how many tens, two tens, whatever was. He's probably because he didn't ask. He was not got a good chunk of change for this thing. And he knows where it's on display now, and if he wanted badly enough, he could have a replica made of it and still come out ahead. Do you know where? Uh? Where did you? Why did you do that one? Like? Where did that one come up from? Just your own mind? Yeah? Because that that's just like such a common thing you here at the bar or the guys drinking coffee, uh, every weekday morning at dat am, talk about whatever. And like I said, back to that middle school example of my buddy's antlers on the wall, Like called his dad when I was working on this, because I thought that would be the best way to track down if this is reality or not. And he said, uh no, he had never gotten offered any amount of money for those antlers. That was just like a schoolyard rumor. The only offer that he ever got was from a guy in town offered him a brand new washing machine the antlers. Huh, he said, no, turn that down three or four grand? I don't know. I don't know what's the washing machine cost? Dishwasher, clothes washer like clothes washer, you know, a brand model? I don't know. The guy, Uh, the guy owned a furniture store. Oh and the guy with the antlers told me, He's like, yeah, you know, I just think if if our wives knew about that, we'd both get divorced because his wife would be upset that he was offering a washing machine for antlers, and my wife would be upset that I turned him down not taking a new washing machine for antlers. Oh, that's a good point. So they had to keep a secret, yes, but it was not. It wasn't like I remembered it from middle school where Cabella's was blowing up their phone every year, being like at some point he's got a crack yep, yep. But so it absolutely happens, but it's not like as prevalent as you think, where every year so and so in your county kills a big something and then Cabelli's is just showing up as fistful as of cash. Your best bro, Okay, hit me with the next one. No, I still want to know if Spencer, if you killed the record South Dakota Record, salth Dakota Record, you'd sell it or keep it. I'd sell it. You get how much that's it? Yeah, I'd sell for sure. Yeah, because they're just material things. Soul's money, but money can be turned into experiences. There you go philanthropy. I don't know whatever you know, but it's just like I don't know, but there still has to be a point at which you would or wouldn't do it. I I don't want to be labor the point, but for something like like I have a nice mulder. I have a muled here that I'm very happy to have. If someone said they were going to give me a couple of thousand dollars for it, I wouldn't take it. You wouldn't a couple of thousand dollars? What about like, yeah, yeah, gets up there. Okay, they have to do me the replica? Okay. We used to play a much worse version of this, and that it was basically at what dollar figure would you do? Various things Mine involved Larry King. I don't want to get into details. I came in surprised. I came in surprisingly low, and people were shocked at how low I came in at to do a certain activity. Larry King, Um, okay, hit me another one, Spencer, Uh, this is another one that when I talked to her editorial team, we had people from California to South Dakota, Pennsylvania. Everyone had heard this, and it was just like an accepted deal. And it's that baby rattlesnakes are more dangerous because they can't or I'll tell you why, all right, because they have little baby venom and it's more potent, and they haven't yet developed the mechanism by which you stop the flow of venom, so that when this baby rattler gets ahold of you, he just, in this spasm of lust, let's all of his venom into you, and you die. They just can't control. And then on the contrary that that assumes that a a large or an adult rattlesnake would control that and wouldn't throw much because he's more mature and right, and they need something they need like, they need something in the reserve for later, because if a rattlesnake doesn't have venom's like it's just part of the potential explanation the reality. That's all. It's all false. It's all false. I knew it wasn't true, but I'd still tell people. I still have told people that throughout my life, and I've definitely heard it. So young rattlesnakes and old rattlesnakes alike can control the amount of venom that they throw, and the probability of you getting a rye bite, which is a bite without venom, it's just as likely whether it's a one ft rattler or a five ft rattler. Oh really, So, like if you're out and you god forbid, have a snake bite you, it's very possible that there's no venom in that, and there's yeah, they can they can choose to nott throw any venom at all. Really like he makes the choice. Yeah, I thought it was. I thought when it was a dry bite, I didn't know that it was a conscious decision of the snake. I thought it was like just the whatever, you know, like the circumstances or he was low on venom or so he can just be like I'm gonna get you, but no venom. So age is an indicator of or excuse me, age is not an indicator of whether or not they'll give you a dry bite. And if I remember this correctly, they're more likely to throw dry bytes on when they're like feeling defensive, like get the hell out of my face sort of thing, more likely to throw a dry bite, yes, Whereas like if they want to kill something that they're going to eat like a snake, yeah, or excuse me, like a rabbit or whatever. Then they'll use their venom to kill it and it helps with the digestion. I believe, um the venom does. So if they're like defensive, more likely to be dry. If they're view something is prey, then it's more likely to have the venom. I wonder how many double Oh, I wonder how many people get bitten by a rattlesnake and don't need the anti venom for it because because there's no venom in there. Oh, like you like you see a rattlesnake bite you, and you're like, holy sh it, I got bit by a rattler. There is some truth in that smaller steaks smaller snakes can have more potent venom um, But venom has over a hundred active compounds and it very space on a number of things like age, diet, location, how long ago with eight and stuff like that. Um, So, a baby rattlesnake could potentially have more potent venom um, but adult snakes store twenty to fifty times more venom. So like a simple way to to put a bowl on this is that the bigger the snake, the bigger the consequences. Even if a baby rattlesnake has more potent venom, it does not outweigh the fact that a large rattlesnake can throw so so much more venom at you. The load size is so different. Yep, hit me another one. How many of you got right now? I got a few more? Few more, Jimmy, get him, buddy. So another one is that you can identify a buck versus a deal by the scat. Yes, this is one. This is one you've heard. I've heard that you can identify versus a doll with the scat. But more than that, I've heard that, and there is something to this that you can tell, uh that there's a difference. You'll be all help me with this winter scat summer scat. There's a difference, but it's not actually that. It's just like whether they're eating brows or green feet. Roll that into the whole thing we'll talk about. Yeah, he's this one you've heard too, do you? Yeah? I think so. I've heard it said sometimes between bowls and cows, different one comes out like a big goab and the other one comes out, uh, you know, in pellets that they've been eating. Yeah, So that's that's the widely believed thing is that, Um, a pile of sketch that's in pellet form would be from a doll, whereas a big pile of like lumpy scat would be from a buck. Yeah. And I heard this from like one of the smartest deer hunters I know, And he heard it from his grandpa. Um, so that like he's been walking around his whole life being like there's a buck scat. Yes, he is as good of a white tail killer as I know. Do you Okay, go on, because I want to ask you if you believe in this in turkeys? Yes, Okay, we'll go on. Okay. Um, So like that that was ther can you tell let's just start, let's go, let's clean it up. So we're making a mess out of this. Can you tell a bus ship from a doze ship? No? The reality is that when you have the pellet piles, that is an indication of what they've been eating. So when you have the pellet piles, that means they were eating firmer foods, drier foods like leaves, twigs, rains. Um. The lumpy piles of scat means that they're eating softer, more moist foods like grasses, fruits, clover LFLFA. Where you're on a fresh hay field, you're likely to find clumped up, clumpy poops. It has nothing to do with the sex of a deer. It's not that bucks and dolls have different digestive tracks, so they're they're throwing out different scat. And I'm also like, I want to be cautious when I'm writing these that I'm not creating a scarecrow man for some of these, meaning that I'm not like taking something that isn't really widely believed and just like throwing this out there so I can then and pretending that it is believed. But this, this is one, This is one that I was fearful of that it was like making a scarecrow man. But like you feel like it's not disgusted enough. I thought, maybe this one isn't actually that widely believed, and it's just you're on a giant bass right now. I don't know what. I'm just pulling something up, but it's an old boot. Yeah, what do we on the Oh no, just chunk weeds? Okay, tell me about turkeys now? Well, it was so hold on, so I wanted like, I was worried that this might have been a case of that, that I was creating a scarecrow man to like tear down with this. But man, did people come out in the Facebook comments, Like we had five hundred Facebook comments the first time this article was posted saying like no, saying, you computer nerd, that's not right. You need to spend more time in the world computer. I know this is true. Um. And one of the theories as to why this is true is that a book spends more time in its bed, so then it has, uh, the crap building up in its system, like just comes out all lumpy were as do is they're just moving around all the time, so then their crap just comes out and just spraying out in pelletsbook comments, pellets. That was that was what many many people wanted. If you spend more time in the words, you know that's right. Yep. So so then afterwards I felt vindicated. That says something many many people believe. There's no scarecrow man. Yeah. And and before you like right into to Steve or me or whatever. Um, about half of those five comments were people saying that the only way to actually tell his taste, I heard that funny joke many many times, and it just wasn't funny anymore. So no need to to tell us that one again. I do believe maybe you should check into this. I'm a firm believer from my experiences that I can smell the difference between uh not not dozen bucks, but bowl and cow urine. Oh I buy that. I feel like when you can when even in the woods, you when you smell elk, you can smell a bowl or you can smell cows. Yeah, I don't. Sometimes I want to. I want to think that the bulls urine is browner and more concentrated. For I just missed one. I thought you had a like ex talking about your Yeah. No, I really do believe that I can buy that one, especially during the right of your kan you guys around each other, Hold on, ye look at look at that fish. Fish ate both jigs. I've never seen that. You know what he's coming on? Shar truss twice. Wow, okay, crimpole, what a gluttonous fish. Till you drag down, you got a whole mess. Crank crank crank, crank, crank crank. Oh that's your line. Stop. Yeah, okay, you're good man. That means someone is not fishing well because that fish had to move a long ways undetected. I'm not um, you know two things at the same time. I'm focusing on Spencer with Spencer Spencer's backup. Now, man, that was fun sot. Another one that I covered was does gutting a critter? Oh? I went back, Are you gonna fact check? Is your next fact checker gonna be called Kenyans tell a bulls pists McCall's pip. We can do that. We can try Johnnie all right. And then the Turkey thing. But I know it to be true that a hen Turkey has a different ship than Tom. Yeah, Tom fills a jay hook ship. You know why because something about how it's something to do with the shape of the cloaca and like the reproductive organs and whatnot. And a hen has a little squirt in a in a gobbler throws a jay hook turd. You buy that? Check that. I do buy that, But I should fact check just because I need. I can't always be like, Nope, this isn't true. Your dad was wrong because this one who could be like, yeah, yeah, throw that in your fact checker. Your hunting mancher was correct. You throw that in your fact checker. I got them all day long for you man. One another one is the truth if your heart shot a skunk, you won't spray. Is that widely understand Phil? You know you do? You understand that to be true. It's the first I've heard of it. I gotta admit. Another one I wrote that was inspired by you was does gutting something make your farts smell like guts? Now, yes, people listen, not inspired by me, not inspired by somebody inspired to you. It's a very people are ready to fight over this. This issue almost caused when we're doing live podcasts, it almost caused a riot in the audience when I said, I know, people know that there's rabbit farts, dark farts. That's a drink. Actually it's pretty good dice drink um. Yeah, that you got something and then later you will pass gas. Okay, let's let's hear the scientific answer, because well I'm trying to lay out with the theory. That's good, you know, Yeah, I'm glad. I just all those people that want to fight about this, I just they're a little childish. So I want to do some like, uh, some polling for this. I reach out to ten and my buddies that to the biggest hunters I know. And I asked him if this experienced me, how could that be true? Besides you guys? Okay, who do you? Six of the ten of them said it happens to them. Why do you ask me? Because you texted me about this, So I assumed that you were like confirming this is something that happens to you. No, I think this happens. Okay, why don't you ask Johanni? I assumed Yanni like sitting there dialing up all the people and never talked. I can add you to the polling. So now it's six out of eleven yannies, this happened to you. No, No, okay, six and twelve, six of the twelve biggest hunters. You're you're you know that that's a very statistically significant change. Yeah, yeah, it's so six or twelve said it happened to them. Um. A few of them specifically said that like birds are the worst, like ducks and pheasants they create the worst gut farts later ontarts. I then, uh found a forum that had discussed this a handful of years ago, and it had over a hundred responses The question was, does gutting a bird then make your farts smell like guts? This had a hundred responses to it said that it happened to them. Hold up, no, crane, you don't got a lot of things. No, I don't. Is this um? As you're hearing this, are you thinking like no? It sounds like complete and utter nonsense. I mean, what do you like? The guts of an animal release into the air and your skin pours, suck that into your system and then into yeah, into your intestines, into air pockets and your intestines and turns into flask can be explained. But we know it's true, don't you know? Yes, that's what happens. So now Spencer give you his bogus explanation. So the answer is this foolish explanation for this? The answer is no, what gutting something does not then make your guess here's my problem, here's my problem with this? How is this? Who's researching this me? Maybe maybe it's like there's some kind of smell or something something that's released into the air that is like stuck in your old factory system and then can't forget. Yeah, she's saying that it's stuck in your old factory. And then later you your buddy's fart because it's in there, you smell it and you go, oh, doesn't have that's what I mean. Picture okay, picture, that's picture. There's a half dozen guys. The half dozen even people hanging out that guys, just men and women mixed. Yeah, they both far men. It was a large group. Five of them. The day before I have been gutting rabbits. Okay. The sixth was else that they couldn't go. But now they're here at this they're here drinking beer. Okay. Now the five who were gutting rabbits, their flatulence will resemble the smell of the rabbits. If it's trapped fart partners stuck in your nose that are then liberated by farts, then that would be a way to I don't know, you see I'm getting in. That'd be a way to test it because they don't have those particles stuck in their nose. The sixth person, Yeah, so a fart would enter their nose. They would say, no, that just sounds like a normal fart. That just smells like all of mine. Okay, we go on. Um, so you texted me about this at the end of October. You want to clarify a point. Yeah, I texted you this would be a good thing to look into. No, no, I know, so you text me at this the end of the end of October. Um, I had killed a deer that weekend and this, this has never happened to me before you texted me about this. I then had a bottle movement later that day and it smelled like the mule deer guts. So at that moment I knew, I'm like, this is because Steve just brought this to my attention. We had a bottle movement, and then that it never happened to me before where it smelled like that. It really could have been psychosmatic. So then the real reason did you use that word often? Those two words bottle movement? No, Now, I thought, for your listeners, I appreciate the best young years here, Jimmy um. So, the farts are composed of swallowed air and then a cocktail of gases like carbon dioxide, hydrogen and other trace gases. So this is gonna be a reality. I had two theories. It has a lot of nice fish. Get them up, Get them up, Get them up up Jimmy's on one two doubleheader. Get oh, got him high five Jimmy. Okay, So, so flatulence is composed of swallowed air. Swallowed air, not a mix of noxious gases. Yepkin, give yourself some slack. You're gonna poke yourself. And then what else? Just open the bail, just like a cocktail of gases and swallowed air. Um. So, with that, my theory was then that this could be to be like a transurnal thing where you're handling the guts a whole bunch and somehow it like seeps through your skin. It's just so powerful that it then affects your gas. That that could be one thing or another thing is that you're huffing these fumes so much while you're gutting an animal that because they're swallowed air, that creates your farts. That like the smelly air is then changing how your fart smell. Yeah. Yeah, those are the two things that Okay, what else? What else? So I reach out to Dr Alan Lazzara been on the podcast before um and he said firmly no, and he said, what's happening here is described as dejah puh um so and he said it's not. My favorite part of it was deja. Yeah, it's not one explain, but it's one of two things going on. Either remnant gut pile particles are resting on your nose, hair, your mustache, your beard, your hands, whatever, I mean, they're liberated by someone else's fart. I don't think that that doesn't make any sense, so that that could be one of Another is that the memory of game gut order is triggered in the hippocampus and mammillary bodies after smelling another similar smelling fart down the line, and his quote was that old factory signals, which control our sense of smell, go through the hippocampus and mamillary bodies, which are integral to memory formation and recall. So what's similar to like if you smell banana bread and it makes you think of your mom. It's like that your your memory and you're such a smell are very very closely linked. Like if I had a bunch of rotten eggs, So you had a bunch of rotten eggs soul free, then another a couple days later, someone rips one and you're like, right, yeah, because they're just you're just remembering how nasty those rotten eggs were so dejapu. And when we posted this one on Facebook, there were many many people that volunteered to have me smell their farts so then I would know that this is in fact what happens. There are also many people that volunteered their wives to uh confirm that their husband's gas smells like rabbit farts or parts. Yeah, it's the same people who told you to eat the same people, so uh many volunteers. People wrote in to say, go ask my wife, yes, my flagelen smells like a rabbit. That I got it. Was she there for the gutting? I would assume not. And that's that's why they felt so strongly that when their wives could confirm that mid November their husband's farts just smell dank like deer guts, that this has to be what's happening. You know. I want to say that you put a nail in the coffin on this one, but I can't say that you put a nail on the coff I think there's a lot unanswered, there's a lot of unanswered questions. I feel pretty confident that it's in your head, no doubt. I don't have this problem. I think that my nose, my nose isn't hairy enough to hold the old particles that are liberated can hit me. Another one is looking at if the Farmer's Almanac is accurate. Yeah, are there's still holdouts to think that it is. They there's multiple of these. There's the Old Farmers Almanac and the Farmers Almanac, both of which have sold tens of millions of copies. Like these are still very very popular. Puts this out the Farmers Almanac and the Old Farmers Almanac. So it's like that's like the name of the their separate publications, but they both kind of dabble in the same thing, the Farmer's Almanac and the Old Farmer's Almanac. Imagine a lot of people are like, well, I'll take the old one. So like, what's your familiarity with the Farmer's Almanac. I've never read one. My familiarity we would always have them when I was young, and my familiarity let me let me I'll speak to it this way. Uh, Like like growing up, people would have a thing like an attitude about the Farmer's Almanac was kind of like, uh, you can argue all you want, and I don't know how they do what they do, but right yeah, yeah, like like they would defend it and then and they'd be like, well, I I can't it's beyond explanation. I don't know, but it's just always something to it. And they just like exist in grocery store checkout aisles where you pick one up and thumps through it. Yeah, you can buy like a bunch of stupid stuff about celebrities. They can buy the farmers are yeah yeah, and like when they come out, um, this is still a thing that news stations cover them and say the Farmer's Almanactor just came out and we are in for a long wet winter or whatever. And I think that was the example that that was used this year, that this is going to be a really rough winter. So I wanted to look in because I liked these things, um like I took value in them when I was a kid. Uh if my grandfather would say something about the Farmer's Almanact that they had next to the toilet, about oh man, there's gonna be a lot of ice for ice fishing this year, or shoot those slews you're gonna freeze out because of how nasty of a winter it's gonna be. So that's how it related to me as an outdoors man. But they also have a tons of other stuff and they're like when you should plant your tomatoes, how to heal mosquito bites, stuff like that. But they're big thing are these super long range forecasts about what the year's weather is going to be. Like, Yeah, it's kind of the same. I feel like like the go for the groundhog that comes out. Ye. So both of these publications started in the late seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, and they won't give up what their formula is how they come up with what the weather is going to be eight months from now, but they will say that it's an exclusive mathematical and astronomical formula that relies on sunspot activity, title action, planetary position, and many other factors. So I didn't know they even made a I didn't know they even went that far. They don't want to give you the whole formula, but a little bit of proprietary right. The Farmer's Almanac actually claims to be a d to eighty five percent accurate each year. That's from their own editors and publishers. That's their number is that they're there for procasts are that accurate? And how these really came into popularity, UM was in what year was it eighteen sixteen, they inadvertently but correctly predicted that there was going to be snow in July. And what it happened was there was a volcano in Indonesia that exploded and it caused a summer that had like rain, sleet and snow. So they correctly predicted, uh, this weather forecast that was determined by a volcano, and leveraged that into hundreds of years of misinformation and they said, look at this, and then it just became a thing that oh, they they are onto something here. So that was when it how it gained popularity in the early So I reached out some actual meteorologists to ask him about this. You can I ask you a quick question. Has it been owned by a family or the same company switched hands many times years that that I'm not sure. I'm not sure about so actual meteorologists they are in agreement that this is not accurate at all. Uh. The one that is difficult enough to do a five day forecast like, let alone a six month forecast or an eight month forecast or even a ten day forecast. So it's just not that easy um to pull off. And when it comes to those secret formulas like solar activity, whether experts point out that there's no scientific backing for those methods at all. There's no scientific backing for translating sun spots on the weather. Yep, that's not something that modern day meteorologists use it all. And like, the simplest way to put this is that these almanacs are to meteorology as to what astrology is to astronomy. So they're creating these horoscopes that are just bagging off and broad enough that they could be applied almost anything with some amount of accuracy. My wife just went to a tarot card reader and boy was he off about a couple of things, including that she was single. She didn't have every wedding ring on that day. He's laying the groundwork you're single. It's like, no, I'm married and I have three children. Yeah, same kind of suitor science. So did they did they come in with like is there sort of how right are they? Well, like the numbers that are out there as far as them being a dent accurate, that's internally, that's their own numbers. So they can say whatever they want. Like I said, it's just vague off that it could apply to any winter that we ever have. Yeah, we have a book where you can look up your birthday and that tells you about you. Um, it's kind of like a it's like astrology, but a little bit different too. Been every description someone reads, everyone's like if you confuse it, like when it's your birthday and you read it, like, oh my gosh, They're like a lot of times you're a pretty nice guy, but sometimes you're not a nice guy. And I'm like, dude, how they know? But then like you can trick people and on their birthday read them some different birthday and thinking like oh my god, just like a lot of times you have good luck, but sometimes you have bad luck. You're a good friend, but when you've had enough, you've had enough, and people like, oh my god, it's meat that hits home. So what's uh, what's the next for fact checker? I don't know what's the one you want to do? What you're scared to do. Besides that, there is a good example of one that I like, I would love to know the answer to you. But when I've looked into it, I've just never came away confident that I could like report on this well and say one way or the other that this is a fact or fiction that being does a rutting buck taste worse? M? Like, can you taste the rut in a buck? Yeah? And that's that's one of the things that make this makes as hard as like, uh, what is a rutting buck? Like, how do you define a rutting book? Is it only is it only in that week where they're breeding? Or is it a buck killed in mid October or early December? Um? And yeah, it doesn't make it taste worse, doesn't make it taste different. Um. All those things like kind of make that a difficult one to tackle. And when I did start looking into this, I got into like the beef industry where when these critters are going through and getting slaughtered occasionally they have dark cutters. Are you familiar with that red cutter? Dark cutter? Yeah, And it's where the meat is so dark, like like a healthy Um, I guess cow's meat would be like, I don't know, a pink to a light red. What would you say that's that's accurate? A dark cutter is like almost purple and it has to do with stress levels, right exactly. And they've looked into what causes the stress of these critters. Is it the poking and prodding with um tools, Is it um like the loud noises at the slaughterhouse, is it transporting them? Is it the lack of feed? Like? What is the number one cause? Because they're in the line of death and they can hear their friends bellowing ahead of them. So what they determine is that the number one uh thing that causes a dark cutter is the interaction with unfamiliar animals when they get to these slaughter facilities and all of that's a leading contributor of stress for for cattle to be a dark cutters. The number one thing that caused dark cutters that he gets mixed in with a bunch of animals he's not familiar with, right, whether that be like unfamiliar cattle, or it could be pigs. I guess it could be vice and it could be elk. Who knows. I guess it didn't. I don't. I don't recall it expanding. Yeah, hell yeah, it's like your first pishure ever called that's my second take a picture of Phil for the podcast studio, Phil the engineer. What's your current picture in there? Phil? I got nothing. That's great, Phil, because this guy's headset out makes it look like an engineer pilot. You're the only person who's photos not in the student Yeah. Okay, go on though. So Yeah, being around unfamiliar animals was the number one cause. So if you took and you wanted to apply that to deer and say, like, would that stress out deer during the rut? They run into all kinds of like unfamiliar deer that they haven't seen before. But there has to be a difference between like an ox that was domestically created over ten thousand years then a wild white tail duking it out in the rut doing something that they've always done. I think another interesting thing to look at when you get around this when you talk to meat scientists is be that leading into their um reproductive season, there has to be a there's gonna be some kind of hormonal shift going on. Yeah, Like I'm guessing there's like, you know, an increase of some hormones and a decrease in other hormones um and that that could obviously have some kind of in part on the taste I had a guy in Scotland one time tell me that in the German market, you know, everybody's always like here, like, oh, I don't like that two game that when it comes to like in Germany when they're buying red deer for commercial sale, they like stags during the roar. So maybe they're wrong, right, fact check those sons of bitches. Yeah, And that was they might be operating under some kind of erroneous assumption about what makes me they like and there there is like part of that that makes this difficulties. Like I said, what what is tasting works or tasting more gaming? Because I think during the slaughter House studies, it's like one percent of American cattle are considered dark cutters, but in Europe it's like three. So is it that they have more stressed out animals or do they have a higher tolerance for being a dark cutter. So that's that's also something that makes this hardy a low tolerance that they're more likely to declare an animal dark cutter in Europe. Correct, Yeah, that's what I meant, because I'm gassing a dark cutter gets fished. I think it's concerning to like dog food. Probably depends on what facility. But that's one that I wouldn't feel like I could do justice to the question. So you're not doing it. Probably won't cover it because it would be too hard, uh to nail down. I'm not sure that you could have the right answer one way or the other. Then the hand you like to come in clean. Yes, I want someone to read it and then feel confident that what they read is in fact, act, factual, the straight dope. If there's gotta be I mean a lot of people study meat. There's gotta be other things other than just dark cutters that have been studied by meat scientists. Yeah, I'd like you to talk to a couple of meat scientists before you give this one up. Do your due diligence. Now you've told people what they won't be able to read about at the media dot com. What are some things that people can look forward to more fact checkers? Yeah, but give me a specific you know, having in the old pipeline they if you want, if you have an idea for a fact checker, right to us at fact Checker at the mead dot com. F A C T H E c K E Er at the meat eater dot com. Do you ever do the ones that are like so obviously wrong, but it's still something you hear about, like that the porcupine can throw it. Squills said, You're like, do you just not do those because they're so stupid. I'm hesitant to, Like I said, create a scarecrow man for these. There was one that I was really intrigued by, but I'm like, this is so stupid that why would I even put any time into writing this? And that was that the moon phase when you're hanging an aging meat affects the quality of the meat. That's not worth doing. No, no, no, I know. And that that's an example because it needs to be a full moon so that the moon dust falls down to uh add the extra flavor? Have you done? I know we've written about this, Uh, we've covered this, but we haven't covered in fact checker farm And to be kind of like recycling an old idea, But it might be time again because there's always new research coming out about high winds. What do high winds do for deer movements? What does the full moon do for dearer movements? Um? I think you could keep whittling away at that, Yeah, because those are changing things all the time. Yeah, things we can certainly cover for fact Checker that I think we've covered in other parts of our website, whether it be Mark Ken on the podcast or something Pat Durkin has written. But yeah, there there are uh as many misconceptions around white tail movement as or I think anything else in the outdoor community. You could also uh fact check is your honest true outdoors is really not? Is you honest really not true outdoors? And then once you can came to the conclusion there, you could then compare who is more of an outdoorsman, Stephen or Yanna. There you go. I was gonna add to you the email if you have a fact checker, you know email to write in. But if you're still stuck on the um the gut smells, you should just attach your gut far smell in that email and send it in and we can all see attachment. Bottle it up, love it all right? Uh real quick? Um me, and you are still running for president. That's not changed. The campaign is gonna heat up more later. Yeah, Uh, by yourself a AI T shirt because uh remember all the proceeds profits, how do we have to put it? Always? Pree gets go for access Basically all the money when we're launching an access project. Yeah, we're gonna support an access project with all of our money that Ronella protels campaign slogan hit it Yoanni better hunting and fishing for America. I hung a Ronella Patel sign in my garage and I used blaze orange duct tape to hold it up. When people walk in, they noticed it, right, And it's probably all sold out. It's probably by the time this area might be all sold out. A lot of the venues are sold out. We have an eleven city tour coming up, yeah one day, though it is down in Masis. You might if you want to go somewhere warm this spring, maybe check out that venue. Yeah, media or live off the air. A lot of them are sold out. All of the I P tickets are gone everywhere, but there might be some tickets left. Yeah, you never know by the time. Currently there are a number of venues still selling tickets. And maybe we'll add a couple of dates. You never know, check in, so come check it out. We'll have some Maybe we'll try to roll an element of fact Checker into it. People can shout out lies and then we'll live back check um and then we're all still trying to work out. Are you from with this dollar dance with cal for twenty bucks for conservation? I am when you brought that, no idea how that will work. I couldn't believe that, Like everyone else had not heard of it before. Yeah, that's just like a staple at weddings. My wife kind of half doesn't believe me, and she grew up in the same state I did. You'd go to a wedding, I say, a couple things that haven't at weddings. There's a dollar dance to my wedding for a buck. Yeah, he has a dollar. Yes, you wipe be dancing her ass trying to raise some money. Did you guys have did you guys take spawn? Did you guys take spawn bag material and tie up cocktail peanuts and those pastel colored mints in a spawn sack? Exactly what you're talking about right now. What in the old days, when I was a boy, when you got married, when people got married, you'd going on your plate would be like spawn bag material, like the mesh spawns stuff you use, the tie spawn bag, and it'd be full of those red cocktail peanuts and those little pastel colored pink and blue mints and you tie a bow on it, and that was like an appetizer snack waiting at your seat, and you'd eat that, and then you'd eat old people's ones that didn't eat theirs, and then eventually there'd be the dollar dance. It's like a party favor. And then someone's uncle would get wasted and tie his neck tie around his head and it was about that time you went home. It sounds like most weddings. Uh yeah. And when you're writing in your fact checker things, how to pull off dollar dance with Cal for twenty bucks for conservation, because Cal is very stressed out about it, the logistics of it. But I have a feeling, I have a vision in a feverish dream that came to me that this is something that needs to happen at the live shows. I've also been talking to my buddy from back home, who he was. He had a cover band when we were in high school, and UM, I'm thinking about have him for our maybe for our Detroit show. I'm thinking about having him crafting up a um a quick run through of all of Nugents songs that are relevant to hunting and fishing for open form conversation about those said songs. Stay too is, Ladies and Gentlemen, Meteor Live off the Air. You're join us on the ice right now. And Uh in the big Giant Eskimo Shanny that's bigger than our podcast studio. Phil caught the second fish ever in black jeans with a hole in the knee. Good luck. Hey, my son's been slaying the whole time. Yeah, Jimmy's definitely caught more fish than anybody else on this track. Quit fishing. Remember Also go uh and support our other podcasts in the Meteor podcast network. 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