00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening un podcast. You can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor where you stand with on X. Welcome back, Johnny. Hey, thanks, I don't know, Phil, do you still have all the JAUNTI quotes? I don't have them fired up right now. I don't. We should just use them all the time, even when he's here. Yeah, just have them ready to go, just just to have him say funny things that he would say just by sticking them in there. Yeah, I'll fire it up next time, just to improve my podcast performance on a regular basis. That would be a great sentence right there, for instance, to have I'll pull that one out. I'll put it in the bank. It'd be fun for me if you could time it to where Janice cuts Joannie off. Oh that'd be great. Yeah, well, actually actually interrupts your honest this is a whole new podcast idea. I think stop doing that. Why do we have a bank of Yanni quotes? An assignment and missed an episode, so I was afraid I'd miss him too much. So Phil made twenty seven Yanni quotes and he could just hit a button, have Yanna stay stuff, And so Phil even set it up where you honestly had answers, like Phil asked him how he liked Dr SEUs, how he liked Dr SEUs, and Joanni was saying he had to read it a few times to get it, but he got it figured out. It was good. Uh. Yeah, did you see the article that Mark from n SSF sent us about. It's like, it's a funny article. It's one of those article is this meant to be? Like, oh, brother, what will they think of next? But there's a lawyer Stephen Wise. That's a hell of the last name to have Wise, especially as a lawyer. Yeah, Like I'm stuck with like Ronella, which doesn't mean ship. This guy gets wise Stephen Wise. He um, he spends his time. Uh, it's kind of funny. Spends his time suing zoo's uh suing him for illegally detaining animals. Right now, he's suing the Bronx Zoo for illegally detaining an elephant name Happy. It's he's it sounds like he does it like a fair bit, but then he like loses it, but then goes and does it again, and he brings this case up to a judge. He he wants the elephant to move from the bronx due to a bigger zoo, and the judge has like a good point, and the judge says, but wouldn't that be just like moving it to a bigger prison. And then Stephen Wise has a wise reply where he's like, yes, at a point, we could say that living on earth is a prison. Oh no, good lawyer. I don't think he's gonna get this elephant out of that zoo. But he's you know, uh, the establishing human rights for animals, right is the yeah, he had smart thing where like that, um, they're having a dog taking your dog hunting as slavery, that's right, that's right. Yeah, I like it. But remember we had that fish case in North Carolina where they established um, like an act of cruelty for leaving guy abandoned his house and left up Oscar. Fish have to fish there, and they were saying, you can't do it to a dog, you can do it to a fish. Yeah, exactly. But they've proven that fish have feelings, according to science Yes podcast, I actually heard that on Wait wait, don't tell me first. But there's question do fish have feelings? A song? Feelings? Um, what's the answer to the question. Yeah, yeah, listen eventually emotional feelings. They listen. There's a these guys, I haven't read this, read I gotta find this. Uh. They can play the sound of water to a willow, yes, and it will grow in the direction of this sound. We're going to run out of ship to eat because it's like Phil having a pretty noisy beverage. He's gotten quite comfortable around like negative nine degrees out you got like an ice when you got like an ice cocktail. It's just water. He's giving you the sound of water. You know you said the willow Thank you, Maggie Live sound design. That was genius. Oh I just thought it would know. Um, that was great. I was like, man, I was a hearty sip filled his head. No, we're gonna run out of stuff to eat because, uh, we're all gonna die. Because if a willow here's water and grows toward it, that makes me feel bad about eating that tree. Like beavers should not be doing that to those Willows. Do you remember when we're driving back from South Dakota, our arduous journey home from South Dakota, and uh, we were talking about how we were annoyed over some of the vaping stuff, right, And my annoyance is that, uh, and I have friends like this that are they joy they're they're vaping, they're low profile, smoking, um, and they're very healthy people and they are so annoyed over this vaping thing. And and my vaping thing being this realization that vaping is not good, that is not good for you. And I'm like, and my annoyances did you really really trick yourself into thinking that this is somehow not reasonably bad for you but good for you? And that's like when Yeah, the studies of like fish can feel pain. Like, how is this an epiphany for people? Everything wants to live for God's sake? Yeah? Uh, the guy wrote it. I can't tell the guy he wrote in a weird uh letter. He wrote in a letter like telling a funny story, But I feel like he kind of revealed himself as as an unsavory character where he said he was hunting. He was duck hunting in the river bottoms in South Arkansas, and this is in two thousand seven, so quite a while ago. There was a memorable story from him, and he shot a shot a gadwall. Later, he sees like what he thinks is a stick in the bottom of his boat, and he goes to throw it out, but when he grabs a stick, he realizes the sticks connected to the duck, and the duck has been outfitted with a little backpack style satellite tracker. Uh and he has a wow, that's cool moment, and the thing on there says, if you find this thing, call there needs to be returned to the l s U. Biology department. So he calls him, says, hey, I got your thing now. Grant remember this guy is telling it like it's a good story. Calls him and says, hey, I got your thing. They said you gotta send it to us, and he says, well, I won't send it to you until you send me a fake one back because I want to mount the duck with it. Did he shoot the duck or just found shot it? Shot it off a flock of god walls? He said, I'll give it back to you when you give me a fake one, because I want to mount it with the thing. On it. They never give him the fake one, and he's all proud of himself for having their tracking device hanging on his wall. No one's ever shown up to claim it. Yeah, I mean they're not gonna like kick your they asked for it back showing up to claim it like like asking for it back, We're gonna send someone to kick the door down. I mean, it's a science department at a school. It's it's not like they have an enforcement division the school and just giant coppers where they're like, well, just in case somebody and say, uh, fake version of this microscope, we can just magan one oture and then maybe give us the real one that he stole back. I believe who is telling us though that. Uh. Folks that shoot collared Elk oftentimes are like, so that collar, no can I get? Oh? Yeah right? Did you? H go on? Folks ask they'd return the collar and then there they'd say like, hey, I thought this was pretty neat. And I get stems from like folks shooting banded ducks and geese so that you know, you keep the band and you call the number man. Yeah, um, And I think that's kind of like, well, I shot a banded ELK. I want to keep the band. But as we've talked about this a bunch and as you know, and as Carmen van Bianci put it, uh, and then she puts collars on game animals, and she's like, once you put that collar or an animal wearing a collar, as she says, this is a quote, someone has already got the best of him. M M. And I was gonna point this out. Did we talk about this, Johnnie, that when we were hunting mule deer in uh Wolming. No, I don't think we mentioned that. Yeah, I had two and fifty yards away from me a little four by four mually wearing a collar. No desire, no desire to shoot that deer because someone had already got the best of him. If he would have been a hundred eighties seven and a half inches bullshit, bullshit tainted love. No, I don't care how big it was. No, I was waiting for you to say something, Well, you know at that point, he's probably gonna die that winter in good story, mean Johnie heard, Uh, there's a there's a there was a buck. He had a name like you know, you get bucks getting names like big huge bucks get goofy names. This buck had a goofy name, like like Jumbo or whatever. Right, and um, these guys were hanging out with they dubbed the same buck. They called it the cess Ina buck. Because a couple of years ago, like Wyoming recently made it that you can't scout from aircraft. You can't scout big game animals from aircraft. And it kind of came in because they made it that you couldn't use drones, right, so you can't scout with a drone. And then it brings up the question where it winds up being, well, how can you not scout with the drone, but you can scout with the airplane. So it's like if you have, like if you have a certain socio economic class has to have an airplane, totally cool, have at it. But if you're just some little scraggly dirt bag where the drone screw you, well, like kind of what the logic seems like? Right? So um, either way, and Wyoming got rid of you can't scout big game out of a plane. They said, when you could, you would in this area where they hunt me dear, they said, every day, man, someone's flying up looking for deer well before this law went into effect. This guy finds this giant mule deer, like a two forty five, and the dude took me and showed me the avalanche shoot where they found it. Found it an avalanche shoot, and the thing didn't budge, and they took pictures of it, and they take it. They take the photos to a guy. Now, this is like, this is as told to me. I am not saying I haven't fact checked Steve's gospel truth. I haven't fact checked any aspect of this. This is a story as told to me. They take, they build a little dossier on this buck and present it to a gentleman who's like, I like that buck so much, um, and I don't have a tag for Whyolming, I like that buck so much, I'm gonna buy the Wyoming Governor's tag in order to go and shoot Jumbo the buck. The problem is he's going to use this outfitter, and the outfiter in this area has a why are you looking at me like this? Yeah, I'm intently listening, that's all. Sorry, I'm intently listening. Did you get a recording of that film? Can we put that into the so Honestly, I want you to play that a lot. That's why I know that he's listening. Steve. I'm intently listening, you, jerk uh, I'm right, so far right. This is your understanding so far so I heard the same story. I can crab right. So he's gonna use this outfitter and in this area outfitter has to stay. He has the camp, he has the overnight in a specified location. Outfitters are not allowed to spike camp, okay, and they're not allowed to graze horses, so you gotta take your horses back at night and feed him feed. You can't be sleeping out. But where they find this buck with this airplane is too far away from his designated campsite to get the client over there. So as told to me, they go and say they go to the forest service and say, hey, we have a handicapped hunter, a disabled hunter. We need an exemption from our designated campsite thing because we have a disabled hunter who who needs to hunt. So they're like, oh, great, go ahead and you can spike out. So then the guy still the this Governor's tag disabled gentleman still manages to ride what seven miles mm hmm and and shoot the Cessina buck As told to me. Mhm uh what else that got? Oh call? You probably know about this. UM. I love this. A state lawmaker in my home state of Michigan, UM is proposing that they were they worked up this bill. You know, they don't have like oversight. They worked up this bill suggesting that I a Royal National Park institute of moose hunting season because they have this exploding moose population and uh he feels the wolves that they're they're trying to They're flying wolves out there, hoping that the wolves can kill all the moose, and um he's like, while we fly a couple hunters out there, what do you think about that? Cal kind of goes back to your weeping for the willow preamble, right, because a big part of this is that exploding moose population is gonna could potentially severely damage uh plant life out there on I Royal And that's that's uh yeah why the big part of why the why of putting wolves out there? Um yeah, I mean I it really flies in the face of what a national park is supposed to be for, does it, though? Right? I mean? Does that No? I like, personally, I would love to see it happen. Yes, Um, but I could see you know, it's funny. I read this in a publication called National Parks Traveler, and I felt that they would be a much uh stronger like that. I felt that when I started the article, I'm like, surely there'll be a part of this article where the author, the writer strongly condemns this idea. Yeah, but that part never came. Well yeah, and and maybe it's it's because they're looking at the whole ecosystem health um, and the fact that the wolves have not been faring well out they're left to their own devices. Um, they put one out there and turned up dead. But they're doing a knee cropsy on it. Oh really um, because I know they dropped a few off and then as soon as the water froze up, they even though they basically had this semi captive food source, they had tailed it for Canada. Um. I believe that. I believe that's correct. And then but yeah, man, I I don't know. It's it's interesting because you have, like National Parks serve this purpose that I don't want any other public lands or federally managed lands to serve, which is a place where lots and lots of people can go and there, you know, there's a lot more rules and folks are pretty confined, and you kind of end up with this weird amusement park type of crossover and into like something that's supposed to be preserving a real wild experience, a garden of Eden. This guy. So it's in the Michigan State House and it's a resolution. If the resolution passes, it's not binding, but the resolution just says it's the state legislature passing a resolution where the purpose of the resolution is to ask the park to consider it um. The park officials there had already ruled it out as being inconsistent with existing laws, policies, and regulations. But the whole situation there is like inconsistent. Yes, it's a it's an aquarium like kind of like partially make beliefs situation. That's why I say, man, just let us take its course. Let's see what happens. They can't that they can't help them. They can't, I know, because someone has an idea of what a healthy ecosystem is, but they really can't on it. It changes all the time. They should just let it roll because who knows it will be like a great little experiment. What happens when the moose eat themselves that at home? And then how did the willows react? Did they start growing toward away from the sound of moose who's coming through the woods? Growing away from it? It used to be caribou and links right, yea cariboon links up into the hundreds. It was cariboon links and then like and I think part of the thing to consider here too is and uh, your your better half gen and probably be able to talk to this a little bit, is um. You know, they're these systems always have a bunch of research going on, and there's probably a bunch of folks that have dedicated funding very specifically to something out there, and they're like, well, hey, like I'm supposed to be doing this, and you know X y Z is happening, which is getting in the way of that. And if we let this happen and I'm not going to be able to do this and my funding is supposed to be exactly for cure. Funding is hard to come by, I know, I can tell you, especially these days from what they hear. And I don't know if if that's exactly case, but there's always all sorts of factors. Yeah, what do you think about all that? Phil? I just was thinking about, Um, you're talking about the willow growing away. I just immediately think of Pocahontas the film. His character named grandmother Willow. I'm sure you guys are really into this right now. I'd love to hear more. Oh, she's just a willow tree that gives sage advice. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know, growing growing towards the sound of the water. That sounds like a good idea. Do you know Neil Young song Pocahonas. That's a hell of a song. I don't know. Marlon Brando, you know that one? Cal No, I don't think I do. Yeah, well, yeah it's a good one. So uh, big news is not entirely fresh news are Season eight is out been out Netflix, um eight brand speak ay new episodes therefore available for streaming right now and go watch them all. One fell swoop. And we had a lot of questions coming about the season, and we asked all kinds of questions about the show, but we never like tackle them head on. So we're gonna tackle questions about our new season like the most pressing questions. And we had tons of how many do we think I need to make a little plugs. I feel like listening to this and you haven't seen all the episodes yet? Is that possible? It is? It is because I know somebody a big meet or fan too, hasn't Netflix. No. James Miller, you know him. You've had dinner at his house. Yeah, we talked about them all the time. He's a little he's old school, right. He still serves up a invoice that he writes on his nineteen two typewriter. He's he's good at it. But he has Netflix at home. The kids use Netflix, but he's just like not willing to go over that hurdle of figuring it out. So whatever small percentage that is. But like I tell Jimmy, I'm gonna tell everybody else, it's not that difficult sign up. I think Netflix is still less than ten bucks a month? Am I right there? I don't know. It's somewhere around ten bucks a month. No, they make it like incredibly easy. It's like the smartest people in the room. Man figuring out how to make stuff easy. Running cable is harder, like direct TV. Well, this guy tiles people's houses. He tiles luxury homes, He's like, I can tile a luxury home, but I can't get my TV to work. Come on, I'm just saying that that's that small fraction of people are out there. You know what. I want to tell them, It's easy. You didn't do it. In my never ending quest for beaver trapping permissions, I was out surveying no Old Feller's uh beaver problem not too far from here at all, and he was real curious about why I had free time in the middle of the week. I'll be like, dude, oh I do is work, man, It's happened right now. I have a couple minutes ago. Take a look. But um we got talking. I'm trying to explain what I do. And Ben, I'm like, well, you know like Netflix. It's like, dude, that's great, man. I hope you never found out. And he tells he goes and you know, I did watch a video once on that YouTube that's the same guys like, so you uh see a fiddle with your phone there? You call that work? Do you like? Uh? Yeah, yeah I do. I had. I was at the Museum the Rockies last night. You like to go to that little thing? Yeah, because you get like a free beer and learn about something. Well, yeah, it's the learning about something. And what's great is, um, you can just go check out the museum without paying a bunch of other folks there. You know, you pay, it's fifteen bucks, I think, and you get three beers and smappetite. Well the old for the appetizers shops in history? Is that the name of the program. Yeah, it's like bruise under the Big Sky? How often do you go when I'm in town? It's the last Tuesday of every month. Is it like a pickup scene down there? Um? Boy, you'd have to really broaden your age range, like like the median age in diction that most people don't want to broaden. Yeah, yeah, you're looking at you know, I'm gonna say six for ish, kind of younger than than I typically describe it to people. But it's sweet anyway. There's this uh Um, the curator for the paleontology department gave a talk on extinct mammals and it's always Montana Central. Oh yeah, you know what you sent me a thing I have not gone. It's great trying to raise a family, man um, and uh I had gone up like probably every jackass does to a paleontologist. I'm like, so I got a bone I want you to check out and that's a rock and she yeah, and she was very nice. Uh. And it was just really funny though, because I'm like, did you have your famous tooth with you? Like, let me whip this out? Um? I I had. Well, so she studied under your buddy down at Texas A and m Meltzer. Meltzer, Yeah, David Meltzer, and she kind of knew that crew down there. I wouldn't go as far as to call my body. I had to say my hero hero yes. Um. And so that was kind of funny. But then this guy comes up and he turns to the paleontologist he says, hey, you did a great talk, and then he turns to me and goes, and you had a great season. Yeah, And I was like, I kind of feel like an athlete of some sort. I had a great season. Yeah. It was funny. So did you go down there by yourself? Know that friend of mine Andrea meet up with three down there? Yeah? Down there, drove down former roommates, drove separate cars. Yeah. Yeah, we dated a long time ago, and now you drive around separate everywhere. Well, I got that out of her system. Yeah, yeah, all the questions, you know who, we had a lot of questions, but the three thousand plus and then but they paired it down to thirty one. But uh, there's some of the questions. When I was pruising them, I found some questions that are on the I know. That's why I said we should have done it together. You know, like there was one like how come Uh, it's like, how come there's curse words words? Yeah, I'm like, I'm much surprised how few curse words are in there. Yeah, I didn't feel like there was a lot of cursing. I don't even know what they were talking about, but I've heard it from numerous people. Did curl your hair if you Yeah, it's not like we're like, it's not like we sit around. We're like, you know what and and uh, here here's where we'll put in a curse word. Yeah. And what are you comparing it to Pocahonna's Grandma Willow? Yeah, when we're on that raccoon has a foul mouth. You know those movies like when they're watching like a I don't know, like a like Fast and Furious or whatever, they're like ha, this is horrible people cursing. Oh um, yeah, I'm alta shocked how few there are. Well, I feel like we cut a lot of we cut a lot of them out. I feel like bad curse words we beat m But you gotta leave the beep in there and the beep curse word because it's it shows the emotion that was going through the person at that moment when Ronnie being got a chegg by that b that's right. People, we don't we hang with I don't feel like because they're foul people, right, They just at times when emotions run high, they tend to use a foul word, which I think in the proper context is okay. We don't hang around with sailors, so to speak. No, I'm not good at sailing. Is there a difference between what was coming out on cable and what's coming out on Netflix? Do you think? No? I haven't. No, I don't. I don't think that there's any No. I don't know. I have to go like review because I just don't think I feel like now and then like someone will say like whatever, someone will say some little kind of innocuous swear word. But you know the other thing I wonder about is like, I don't know. Um, I'm not in jail. Uh, I grew up like I can, I'm gonna I can, dang sure, I can, dang sure tell you that what I when I grew up, I would I was you know, my my father hung out with a colorful crew of individuals and my mother would get a little mad now and then. And I was exposed as a young child to dirty words. And I'm not in jail. I just don't know if that's gonna be like the end of someone to hear right, is it gonna be? It? Is it? Is it gonna be the end of someone to hear word? And then their parents have to say, he just said that word. He's older, don't say that. No, it's such a self serving read in it. I'm gonna throw my wife onto the bus because she's like, well, I don't want my kids running around saying you know shit. I heard someone else's boys say ship the other day. You know, it's like, come on, Like, if my kids starts running around saying it all the time, I'm gonna sit down and have a conversation about when you say that when you don't White kids shouldn't say it, you know, Yeah, we have words for our kids. There's words you just can't ever ever say. Yeah, your kids know them all, don't they know? They don't know them all all but one. And then there's one they don't know. They'll never know it. So there's like words like they just hear stuff. I mean they get they hang out with their uncle. I don't know, they just they hear stuff. You're walking, you're walking around at night and you trip on a matchbox car and kids are always looking for that too, because they're like, oh, I don't know what that word is, so what is it? If their mom says, if I say something is in one, you're now with the other. If their mom says something, they just fall in love with it. There's like something about like you know what I mean, it does that. I just dadd it. But their mom like trips on a matchbox car in the middle of night, hurts her foot. That word becomes a big part of everybody's life for a few days. They all love it. But I'm like, there's like words you do not like you are for I know you heard it, never say that word. Then there's like we're explain why, right, Well, you're get in trouble and people think you're a loser. And then there's words were like yeah, I get it, you can stay in the house around us, but don't definitely don't say it at school. Well, you and I had conversation with your oldest when we're heading out to I think set uh crayfish traps over the summer where it was like, yeah, well, ah, you probably shouldn't say it, Like you gotta understand, like in certain circles, that would be like the equivalent of you, like cutting somebody's head off like that, right, Like you gotta It's it's hard to like say, like so around here passable, you know the net house over that would be like the kids going too bad without dinner and I'm gonna get locked up for a type of thing, right, Like how do you explain it? Like you guys got a hard job. Yeah, I like it. It's interesting to argue about or explain to kids. Be like you have these things like these words um and like we all agree that yellow like when we look, we agree that there's a word y E L l O W and that word represents this color. And that's like how language functions. And you saw this weird thing into it where there's like other words um that we've all agreed are bad, but we use them all the time. It's like you get into it's hard. Yeah, sounds hard, and you're like, well, why those ones? You know, I don't know what. We just have all agreed that that's bad and you need to get and you need to get on board. Sign on the dotted line. Yeah, we step back and look at it. It's quite childish really to have those words like homett. So I know hundreds of words you tell me that don't say that one. No, No, that's right, that one don't use you know what those some what's a what's a language? Uh? Professor, researcher And so if you get into like the sort of history of a word, it's the etymology. I don't know if there are etymologists, but I know linguists study um. But I guess we just have to have them for times of extreme whatever happenstance and emotion. That's why we have to have those words. That's why there's some I've been using the word naughty. That's why there's some naughty. Like if there's naughty words in the show, I guess I would generally rather than not be there. Uh mean, we don't go out our way to put them in there, but there's a lot of things that happened. They're like, it's it's a style of filming. Um. Yeah, it's like like verity filming. It's like a style of filming where there's there's an artifice to it because you're putting people, You're you're inviting people to come and hang out and be on the show, and people are aware there's cameras aimed at them, and it's artifice. There's uh there's a performance taking place, but in the case of the show, we do it like the performance is a real thing that people actually do, meaning that what you're watching would feasibly would feasibly be happening in the absence of cameras, and in fact, most of people that are engaged in it would probably almost absolutely be doing that or something very similar in the absence of the camera. But you know, there's cameras there, and it's not like a surprise. Everybody knows they're they're there thirty six inches away from your face sometimes, Like so it's a it's a it's a distorted reality, but only slightly di started and you are trying to capture real people in real moments and experiencing real things and real emotions, and oftentimes you get those in those moments come with um naughty words like naughty or dirty. Better Maggie for the words description, dirty words, curse words. There are dirty words that will happen, and it would be when you weigh out, uh, like getting rid of the moment in order to sanitize for for people's sensitivities around language. You just kind of have this thing, something's happened, where like that's a great moment, but that's just too much, you know, it's too much, too much naughty, too dirty to what's your take on the folks? Instead of saying funing they get they say freaking. Oh man, I would get in so much trouble when I was a kid for that. He said, freaking. My dad hated it because you're basically saying we've caught our older boys saying it freaking. We're like, no, no, no no, no, it's the same thing. I have the same person of my dad. It's like, my dad's like, we're going to treat it like you just said it because you're saying it, Yeah, you're playing a game. I remember the the worst bust that we ever really care about the kids doing it. I want to know how you feel about like adults, because I know some adults that have like a I say, a clean esque so they lead a clean as you know, path through life. And so instead of saying the real course where they say freaking, I'm like, yeah, but I do it, but I do it now. And then Rogan's teased me for saying freaking and uh, and the guys, the um the outfitters were with him wyoming. They don't like to swear. Did you catch them saying freaking? No? No, definitely not. Yeah, no, I told you I honor. They're like they have like they have they speak with honor, honorable lives and speak with honor. But they will say like something like son of the Buck or something like that, and I'm like, man, that's like really like a conscious decision to like portray a conscious decision to with your language demonstrate a ethic or you know, um, and yeah, I'm in her. I guess I'm just interesting language. The worst time I was really quick story because I remember it so vividly, The worst time we got busted, Like I think the moment when we all knew that we all swore a lot, and our dad knew we swore a lot. Was my brother Matt. We had a live well like my dad. You know those things like bread racks. If you go to a grocer store, you know that they got that thing. You roll around and it's got those plastic mesh shelves and you put all the loaves of bread on there. My old man would make live wells by getting one, two, three, six of those and zip tieing them together and then put attaching styre foam floats and making a hinged lid, so just be like a like a plastic mesh box that could float around. You tie it to the end of your dock and you can put fishing there. And I remember we got back from we've been fishing open night of bass season, like going out at midnight, and we caught a bunch of bass and threw him in the live well, and someone didn't fasten the lid down, and I remember Matt laying on the end of our dock, like bending over at the waist. So he's laying on the dock but bent over at the waist, fishing around in the live well. Distraught about all the fish that got away, like they someone didn't close the latch, and he's down there just carrying on. And I look and here's the old man coming out the dock. But also he's just like there and it's too late, and mag can't seeks his heads down in the live well and he's just curse like raising hell, and my dad's coming and I can't notify him because I'd get busted notifying him. Oh yeah, I remember being like, oh man, now everybody just knows everything. It's all out in the open. They will never be the same. And of the innocence. A question for Maggie that came up. There's two questions. My favorite people say, what's my was My favorite episode of workout was one of the magazine Meg and Tracy. It's the best episode, Maggie's first turkey hunt. Screwed it up. Just watch it. It's great. Yep, now everyone can see that I screwed it up. Can watch it on repeat. By far, my favorite episode. So Maggie went through hunter safety. Um. But the episode ends and you're talking about how you wanted to go back out, and you said you go back out on Wednesday, and some persons like that, you go back out on Wednesday. I unfortunately did not too much work to do, but Yannie gotta go out. Yeah, edit have as much work to do. Oh yeah, if you watch the if you watch the episode we're talking about, you know, the bird sneaky Pete. Yeah, and yeah he went back and got my ass hand to me again. I was I was pretty much brining his breasts as I was sitting there in the dark. I mean I couldn't have been definitely closer than fifty yards the tree that I was leaning against, the tree that he was perched in. And when you went back solo, Yeah, I thought there was no way. And it was funny too because I snuck in there in the dark and I hadn't heard him gobble. I sit down, and I was there for at least but you just knew where he'd be. He was in the same tree man every time. So yeah, I was going I was going for broke hero or zero. I kind of ended up with something in between, because I got the hero because I sat there for ten minutes in the dark long enough to start second guessing myself and to think, well, maybe I should try to salvage the morning and go look for you know, trying to strike up another gobbler, and all of a sudden gobbles. I'm like, yeah, he's right there, you know, and I'm here and I haven't like moved, I haven't no noise for ten minutes, like no call and nothing. I wasn't gonna call. I was gonna just let him fly down in front of my gun barrel. And at that point we were like, hey, but do you want to just jump in the truck. It was basically over. Yeah, pretty much. Man. I did know what strip was because we had hanging right here in our studio, uh, our our probability thing. Yeah, he had two landing strips that we knew of that we knew knew that he had, you know, kind of we never saw him actually fly down, but we he would appear and we'd see which way he went, and twice we watched him, so we knew he had gone two different directions. I definitely had one. It was the same direction that we set up Maggie and I set up where we had him come by us. I had set up on that same sort of general old path. I thought I had set up kind of choked in tight enough on him that if he went to the other way, I would catch a glimpse of him. Well, somehow, I don't know. I can't He didn't gobble as hard as he had earlier in the week that morning, and maybe got twenty gobbles off the tree, and then he hit the ground and didn't make another peep until he was yards away. Where did he hit the ground, like, let's say he's at the center of the clock you're at I don't know for sure, but somewhere between three and nine, you know, so on the far end of the clock. If but if he so, wouldn't work just to lean against Sneaky Pete's tree because he pitches up too far out. Plus, how are you going to get in there? Because he got all day to get in there, and when he's coming out. For a fact, Sneaky Pete comes back to the same tree every night. Why can't you sit with your back to the tree. You could do that for sure. Why didn't you guys? This was a morning hunt? Why why didn't you do that? Well, we just about did. Why didn't you do it that night when you went back solo? I did that. I was a morning hunt. When you just hang out and then because I was at work by like hunted in for an hour and left. We did go out though one other morning, but not sneaky Pete. Yeah, Maggie, I went hunting turkeys and other more so you did do a turkey return. Yeah, but we didn't even have the same zone though. We just we just wanted locally here in Bozeman. Nothing, nothing, not even I was very impressed with. And I kind of want to know if this is like this for people that watched the episode. But um, I had bumped into Maggie earlier this week or last week. I said, I mean, I haven't watched that yet. I gotta watch that. And then uh watched it, and I was amazed at like how even though I knew what the outcome was, how I was like, shoot at like I wanted Maggie to have that type of success so badly that like part of my brain was still like she can still make it happy. When we started cutting the episode, months went by, we started calling the episode. In the minute I finally got to watch, I wasn't there at the moment and I was off doing my own thing. When I got to watch the footage, I just immediately called her for me like four times. I was like, I just I just don't understand what what you're thinking? I was too much thinking too much. It's frozen. Are you gonna have you? Did you hear from people that when the show came out? Did you hear people you hadn't heard from in a long time? Yeah, a lot of people from high school? And what do they have to say? Like, what were you thinking? They were just still No one called you a dog on you. I think they were more like jealous of the opportunity that I was given high schoolers tons of Minnesota. Yeah, tons of guys from high school. I from high school and the old flames people don't say people will say that anymore. Well I was, I was a nerd in high school. So is there right? Huh? Yeah? Bad val Victorian? Is that right? Good deal? Meg? I made a lot of friends by helping people cheat. Um, you can do a little hunt in this fall. It's not on the agenda right now, but I wouldn't be against it. You don't have a single hunt planned. That's not true, because I heard a rumor this morning about a little hunt plan. I thought maybe with HANSI, but he already did duck camp. I didn't know he was done. He just did it for like a week. Oh yeah, but you don't you just want to do like the early mornings around here. Yeah, yeah, we didn't make that happen. Okay. I heard someone mentioned getting you out on a little white tailed dough excursion began this is what I heard. You're willing, but you haven't. Like so what You're one of the people we always hear about. There's this big conversation in this country and in the sporting community about uh, our three and what our three is? In and in and in and and and and recruitment, retention, reactivation of hunters. Um my brother is vehemently opposed to it, and and I understand where he's coming from, Like, why would you want more people on the woods? Sorry? Crowded? But um, you're like a case study because the thing is you can what they find is you can take it. You get a new hunter, you take them out hunting, you show them a great time. Um, but then they don't go out. They don't go out there like, oh, that was the greatest thing I've ever seen. I'm so glad I did it. But then they don't, on their own volition go back out so what is preventing you too? Busy, really busy. But I don't know. I think like to go with other people. I still think I have a lot to learn. You need more and I feel like tote more confidence out there were toutelage. Yes, but I have a lot to learn, and I go out by myself as much as I can. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm still intimidated by it too. Yeah. Where do you think Meggie is in the oar threes? Because technically she's been recruited, I mean because she bought the license, right, it's still it's still recruitment phase. Yeah, it's not like reactivation. It's like you went out turkey. Yeah, she might be somewhere between recruitment and she might be like our one point five another. Okay, go ahead and rip one out. Question. I got a I got a couple of saves. Man, Well, why don't you go let me look at this list? Oh you want to take a look at the list? I got NB one. Uh, how do you all spend so much time together and yet maintain such good friendship? That's a good question, but it doesn't Uh, we don't have the problem of Um, I don't know why you don't. We don't have the problem with people getting of we had directed directly at you and I when I read it, and I think that they have a distorted view of how much time we spend together. I spend more time with you than I do with my wife. Come on, not quite. Yeah, spend a lot of time together, but nuts on a dog. I mean, look at it now. We've been trying to have a meeting for at least a week because we haven't been out filling it and we haven't had it. We haven't been able to get that done. Okay, I'll never see you, Johnnie. I don't know. We get into we have some scuffles. Yeah, but I was gonna say if we had the time, we'd probably we'd hang out more because we'd go hunting and fishing together. But rise, um to guilt ridden more. At home, we're trying to be like how you're supposed to act. And in the wintertime I turned into a skier and you don't know you like ski Maggie raced growing up. It was not an Annie's level. But um, yeah, I don't think that it's I've never had it. Uh, We've had some disagreements but never had uh, never had a problem. But I think it also really it's something that like reinforced itself because at this point, if we were going to not get along, we have not gotten along a long time ago. That's right, But there's something to be said that, like a huge part of this job is communication too, and you guys are practiced skilled communicators, so and that's just not something a lot of folks are good at and obviously, oh you guys probably aren't good at it twenty four hours a day. You mean, the ability to always be like, here's what I'm thinking. Here's what I'm thinking. I understand where you're coming from, but here's what I'm thinking. Let me explain this again. This is yeah, right, not a whole lot of tongue biting. Yeah yeah, that's actually probably. Um, the lack of tongue biting can burn I probably can burn things out, but I think it's like done in the right way with a certain level of maturity. Um, a lack of tongue biting is probably good. Absolutely, I would agree a hundred percent. Maggie's very good at this. She lack of tongue biting. Yeah, yeah, because you I said something to Maggie. UM, and she immediately clarified, like, hey, you you said this to me. This is like a five minute time lapse. Is this what you intended by that? And I was like, oh god, no, I was like I was just joking around and really yeah. And and in turn, I said, hey, thank you very much for for you know, following up on that, because that would have been that rather than spending all week thinking you meant something, you said something that you didn't say for months for some people. Right. And then it's like, well Ryan thinks this, Well, thanks very I think that's part of just my job too. Yeah, let one rip, Ronnie Man, you got one, I know, you gotta go. You want to pick one out? Do one? Then you can pick one out. In the Blue Mountain Bugle episode, which is the Archery Elk episode in Washington, Um, we lost some of that elk me in this uh fellow road in Can I say their Instagram handle? No? I would. I kind of like his. I like it too. How much meat did you love? Is from that elk? And how do you decipher between good and spoiled meat? That's a great question because it's hard to do. And I had now in hindsight, and we spent a lot of time farting around with it. Yeah, in hindsight, I feel that I was, Um, I'm trying to think. I don't know if it be I was gonna say that I was too conservative or too liberal, but I don't know which how we will apply here in hindsight, Um, I was thinking things were closer to bad than they were because nothing I've pulled out of my freezer and thought, whatever, that smells like a smell of souring flesh, and once it gets in your nose, it's like trapped in your nose for a long time. I think, And I think that you start psyching yourself out and you're thinking that everything right. You can't get like a clean you can't almost get like a clean palate. So thoughts of out of my freezing now, I thought out and like smells smells like elk, Yeah, but smell any other way. Well, No, remember that morning we were I don't know if it was maybe it was the afternoon, and it was the afternoon before that, our last afternoon they after we had packed it out, we were taking chunks of meat off a certain areas that were questionable and cooking them yeah, and doing a little just fried in the pan will catch up on the side. I took some pictures of that taste testing. Yeah, because you can get like some iridescent meat coloration, right, just like even at home, we're kind of you can see it in the meat counter now then yeah, yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with iridescence. It doesn't mean that it's getting fresh. It doesn't you're a desk on the carcass. Yeah, but yeah, so it's hard to like, yeah, just do a visual inspection. And obviously the nose can give you away. The one big game animal that I've got where it was just you couldn't do anything with it. Um, we did, like the smell thing was just getting overwhelming, and we would cook pieces of it and butter and then go out. We're like processing it in the kitchen, cook pieces and buttered and go outside to just get in the total fresh air and then taste it. And everybody you're like, god, it is not like we were, like, it is not in my imagination, man, It is rank that bull I lost in New Mexico this year. I started cutting the thing open, and um, the bile was coming up through the ham m m really yes, Like it was swelled up so badly that the height it like lifted off of the face and everything. But I was like, well, because it was less than twenty four hours, and I was like, well, the if something's gonna be good, it's gonna be it's got to be like the top of this backstrap because it's not underneath the weight of the elk. And then when it'd gotten like the full effect of the sun and and yeah, man, I peeled that hide back and and like bile was coming up like impossibly, it seemed through the meat. H Uh. I wanna give this a cleaner answer. Lost more meat than I'd would ever want to have happened again, like top chunks of the back, hams, anything around the ball, joint um, tenderloins. It's like some of the like the part the on the downside, part of the animal, like the like the heavy part of the shoulder, A lot of stuff. I mean, some of the knack um, but certainly not. But I mean it's like it was felt like a real disaster to me. Yeah, I mean, just who wants to remember one time losing uh, killing the bull one night with my bro and I don't know why we thought I was gonna get cold that night, and we were afraid to open it up because of grizzly bears. And we're like, let's just gonna sleep for a little bit and come back right at daybreak. And we had lost just handfuls of meat from around the ball joints on the back legs and being like, man, I'll never have that happen again, And it happened again. But in terms of like the testing, I think there's I guess it's like there's there's three things. Some of it like the bull I'm talking about that lost my brother when we didn't want to guts we didn't want bears to find it or to decrease whatever percent decrease the chances of a bear finding by not gutting it um and just not know, not want to be out there all night massing with it, just being dumb and lazy. Uh. Color greenish blue, like greenish blue color you can get like meat will sour and will get a color to it, and you know what you're looking at when you see it, you buy that yeah smell. And then finally the I guess the only the one that the only one that really matters is taste, and so sometimes you'll see it it'll be green greenish blue and have a bruised look to it. That's souring. And then the smell is just it smells like what you think it smells like. It smells like something that's starting to rot. And the taste'll start to get slimier too. Yeah, that's a good point. Very soft rotten meat is soft. You can you can put a finger into it. You can run a finger into rotten meat. Yeah, if you've I've been thinking about that lates. I've been doing some butchering, and you can definitely. Um, just when I start handling the meat, I'm thinking to myself, this is gonna be tender or this is not gonna be tender eating And certainly the longer it hangs, the more it gets that. Yeah, because you can get or I have messing around with aging, you get that enzyme layer. It's kind of like, all of a sudden, you have an extra layer of liquid on the meat that wasn't there before. Um, that's a that's real roll of the dice. It's like, you know, you gotta do something with it right then. But yeah, oddly enough, never lost anything doing that that's some tender meat you got when you want to rip out now, Maggie, Yeah, just because you know I'm part of the production team. What's the hardest part of hunting with a large production team? Does it ever play a role on how many chances you had with animals? There's some things you gain, some things. There's some things you gained you things you lose alto. Don't think our team after being out there is that big. I mean you guys really go you know, small team well when you comparative being by yourself for people's a lot or whatever. There's things you gain and things you lose. Um, the extra eyeballs are absolutely nice, especially when you're just having like a big old glass in session on top of a hill and you're not spooking anything anyways, you're just looking. It's like the extra eyeballs. It's great. And we have some camera guys that even bring their own binoculars. There's nothing to do. They like to glass. They just think it's fun to glass. And yeah, you pick up They pick up a lot of stuff, so you're seeing a lot more stuff up close. It's just harder. Water foul is just harder. It's just harder. Um, all in all, it's it's definitely not beneficial all in all, but um, you know the extra eyeballs is interesting. Mhm uh. But yeah, up close stuff is can be tough. Yeah, And um, there's a tendency. I think the on camera people have a tendency to want to blame everything on the camera people. That's the first place I go. Someone did something like I never speak anything. It's always he's ever with me, right uh. And and there's a spirited there's a there's a there's like a spirited friendly tension um that goes on where you're paying people to do a job, and their job is to film stuff, and they need to film the stuff, and so there a good camera guy um is willing to take whatever abuse they need to take to like respectfully get the coverage they need to get. On the other hand, from my perspective, I'm like, I'm interested in making a good show. A thing that will help us have a good show is having some action. You're preventing us from having a good show, yes, by fidgeting around too much, but it never comes to blows. I'd be curious your honest's perspective on it. I don't know if I have much to add. Thank you pretty much at the nail and head there. Um Ducks is tough play a role in how many chance you had with the animals. I really like um that. You know, you're, like you said, you're paying people to round a camera and the people that run cameras part of what they're doing is always looking for like pretty things and interesting things. And I feel like that's it's just I I enjoy being in the woods with people who are like, it's not a big giant bow elk, but it's just like a really cool, you know, lin covered rock, or you know, all sorts of little detail things that are really cool that make up a good experience in the woods. And and I always like that. But there are always those times where you're like, yeah, I wouldn't have been moving right there, but it took us a long time to get over here. It's it. We put a lot of pressure on him. It's a tough job because if they don't get the shot in the field because they were sitting behind you, because all the hunters never want the camera guys to get out in front of them for obvious reasons, you know they're gonna break the skyline before you do, they're not gonna be looking etcetera, etcetera. Um. But then when we get back and you're in the editing studio, like, where's the shot? How come there's no shots of me walking out the camera? It's like, well, dumb mass because you were yelling to stay behind and stay low the whole time, you know. So it doesn't make for a fun edit or interesting at it either. But it's just behind the good the good guys, the good, really good ones. They know it so well and they've been out so much that they know, like you're going up a hill and they'll know if they want to get out front to get a walking towards shot. They're like reading the landscape all the time and they know that like at the top of the hill, they're gonna shoot me if I crest over the top of the hill before they get there, and so they'll like run out and get their shots. And they're kind of like watching the top of the hill thing because then they know at the top of the hill they better be back behind you in case you crest over and see something. And they start to it's fun when I can't when you get someone who's so so schooled in it that they're that they're doing all that in their head. You know, they know like when you get up to spot and you first sit down the glass, they know to hold tight. Then you kind of like get a good look around. You know, it's nothing immediately around. They'll get up and do what they gotta do and and then it's fun. You know. Then the tension levels go way down when they really know the situation. But we don't have camera guys that come We don't work with camera guys that really come out of a hunting background. That's a tough thing to find. Yeah, I would ride of someone that knows how to film more than those how to hunt. I think it's probably easier to learn. You've come around then, yeah, slowly, begrudgingly I have. I have. I mean it'd be great both, but yeah, but grudgingly I have because it's just the one, like no one which shooters just work the best, right, you know, the shooters we have that are just like such. We have a bunch of great shooters, but the shooters we have that are just really special ones that are kind of like part of the family. They didn't come out of that m hm. You know they always have lens cloths. That's great. Yeah, when my binoculars get messed up, like Leah, they know how to keep stuff dry. How much scouting goes into each of the new locations you hunt, man, it's that's a weird. While I try to answer this one quickly because I feel like we talked about it, so we go to we're always filming in new places. We're rarely filming in a place that we hang out a whole bunch. But we have fashionally over the years developed such a network of contacts and can kind of really like find anyone anywhere within two or three phone calls. Usually that it's we don't scout the way most people are forced to scout. We like a lot of people to scout, like the old fashioned way, like map breeding, you know, looking at airal images, which we do. But a lot of our stuff, just as we know so many people and are well connected, that a lot of our scouting is people being like, yea, I'm at a hunting it two years ago, and you should check this out, check that out, check this out, check that out. Um, we just have a different scouting method. Yeah, as far as species go, we don't really dive into deep because usually well, I don't know. I think we like learning kind of on the go while we're there, and it makes for interesting content when we're learning while we're filming, right because you can then kind of sort of take the view along with you through that ride about what you're learning, whether it's about the landscape or the animals. Um. But I think sometimes it can hurt us too when you get like one, we have a busy schedule, so it's not like we have one big hunt lined up and I'm gonna I'm gonna research it all summer long and go and scout at one time during the summer and get ready for it. We have a bunch of hunts going on. So sometimes I feel like it hurts because we're just not doing as much research as we could. It's we're a little bit flying through the night and uh, you know, getting some hot tips from some guys and just hitting the ground going, you know. And it's fine when we have a great time and we have success and we get it done. But I think that if you you know, put ten times more effort into the research and scouting, we would do better. You know, a good example of one we talked about would be Um where we filmed, where we filmed started out film him in the Turkey episode that you, Maggie, Um and Tracy were in. Is one of the guys we worked with had heard some birds gobbling right where we started, but then it took five minutes to realize that that's not happening. And then any sort of like quote unquote scouting that we had done was basically someone saying, hey, there were some birds here whatever last spring or the spring before, they were ripping right here, and they weren't there. And then from then on we were just off to the races, running around, flying by the seat of your pants, figuring it out. Kelly, got any faiths Um? I mean, there's there's a lot of good stuff on there, but I feel like we kind of hit some of it often. But you don't have one killing. I don't have one. You have there ever been someone someone asked this question? This is a good question. Have there ever been any planned episode hunts that have turned out so bad they never aired? I like that question too. The answer is yes, yes. Next question one or one one for sure, kind of two one for sure kind of too. So we want to be using a fair bit of one once. Uh you answer refreshment, well, not refreshed. I know which ones I think you're talking about. We did. We we one time did sort of this like homage to mule Deer long ago and told from an ill fated mule Deer hunt pulled footage. But yeah, we've done a hundred and twenty some episodes now something like that. Yeah, and the only one that actually that we just fully didn't use was the bear Hunt, right, yeah, twenty some episodes and there's one time. There's one thing we didn't use. One of my proudest I think sort of I don't know if it's in a acomplishment. I guess it could be an accomplishment, but as a producer of the show is that we went to do another episode of Sooty Grouse with Barbara a second time around, and it wasn't until some point, at some point during that episode, we started thinking, you know what, we might have a pretty good prequel to this. We should look at that footage that we think is so bad that there and there is no episode there. And we went and looked at it, and we said, you know what, there is an an episode here and it will be a great prequel to the one with Barbara and so were. I'm proud to have resurrected one that was in the camp. We're not in the camp. How would you say it was in the cards? Just chopped. So someone's wondering one hunting out of state or out of the country, Let's just keep it to out of state. What are the logistics when traveling with the meat and firearms? Firearms are easy, easy to travel with. Uh, it's just easy. You take your ammunition. Your ammunition has to be in a box designed to hold ammunition. It's best is to carry your ammunition around in the box that you bought it in. But if you're a handloader or whatever and you use those little plastic what's that company MGM, not MGM M, t M MTM case whatever the hell? You keep your ammo in a box designed to hold ammo and slap a label on it make it obvious it's ammo. Yeah, Like, you're probably going to run into some issues if, for some odd reason you had a bunch of thirty six rounds jammed inside a toothpaste to or Yeah, no, no, no, that would be illegal. Yep, Yeah, they're gonna probably question you like, oh no, it's in a box. It's in my travel tooth paste box. They'll not like that. Has Yeah, this box made designed for carrying ammunition. That's a good point. I'm not following that. If you just had a box, you think it's great for carrying ammo, but it wasn't like an AMMO box. No, it stays specifically, it's got to be designed to carry ammunitions. That can't be a toothpaste box. Yeah, And I was thinking along the path of why would somebody make that point specifically. It's probably because I said in a box, Um, that can go well, I think in your regular Duffel bag yep, or or in your case. But that being said, all these things that we're going to talk about now, you should. It depends. It's not so much a T s A. They have some rules too, but the separate airlines have separate rules. So before you fly, you should just go to their web page look up traveling. But I'm gonna tell people how to do it, and tell people right now, and you're gonna you're gonna try to cloud it by talking about what am I gonna try to cloud because yes, with some airlines you're allowed to put your AMMO in the case, but oftentimes the people at the counter don't know the rules and that puzzles them. I always print out the page on the airline website. I was building this up as how easy it was, and all everybody's doing is making it seem hard. Well, just okay, go ahead, Air Canada, man, they are the worst. That's why I say we're going to keep it to travel within the country. But I always just print out the page and I say, I was like, hey, I will do whatever you guys want to make this process easier. But this is what your airline says to do. Here is that they print out from from your website. I've I've had to do that in the past. Is refer someone to their own policy? Yes, Can I just do it in a very nice way? Can I get back to tell how easy it is a fail safe way. A box or two of AAML. I can't have more than seven pounds of it. You gotta get you can't have more. This is per airline. You can't have more than eleven which is which, trust me, is a lot of a box or two of amel in the box you bought it in and put that in your deffel bag. Put your deffel bag. Don't just put it in there, however you wanna put it in there. And you take your firearm and you get a case and your firearms unloaded, and you don't have anything else in the case, and you just have a gun case. It's a hard sided lockable gun case. And you have a t s a lock or a padlock for every lock spot on the case. Meaning if there's four padlock holes four padlocks, that's why you want to buy a two padlock hole hard case. You get a two padlock whole hard case. I use bot and Pelican. Put your padlocks on there. You walk in, you say, I have two bags, a check one of what this is the language I always use, one of which is a firearm. They will then handle all the declaration that says I do hereby swear my gun's empty. You sign it, you put it in there. They either put it on the belt or they have you taken over to the excess baggage place and you hang tight because someone's gonna inspect it. They inspect it, make sure it's not pack full of bombs, and then you go on your way. And when you go to pick it up. It doesn't come out in the luggage carousel used to not too long ago, but now it will come out in the special bag, like where you go to file a claim. When you they lose your bags, they'll hold it. You go and show them your I d they hand your things. Sometimes I put a big zip tie around the box. Nothing to it. It's supposed to all put a big Giants title on it. Man, that sounds easy, Steve Dude. Easy Now with meat, Man, We've done a hundred things. I'm gonna try to give the most typical way, the most typical best way to do it. You go off some other place, you go out of state. Let's say you go to Maryland and you get to seek a deer and you want to bring it home. Um now, maybe I don't know, maybe your uncle has a processing shop. Whatever. I'm just talking about, like normal, just normal, how we would do it. We would get our dear, bone it out and leave it in big primary cuts, so like bone the thing out, put it in gallon size ziplocks, and in the perfect world, put a good freeze on it, or some freeze on it. Get a cold put a freeze on it. Whatever you do and then load it into uh Yetie hoppers. Forties were great forties no longer made the thirties because of Yetie hopper. You're allowed to check fifty pounds per box. If you have a big like a big hard sided cooler, you're eating up your poundage with the cooler, but with the hoppers. The hoppers weigh six seven pounds, so when you check fifty pounds, you're actually legit. You're checking forty three pounds of boneless meat and only seven pounds is the cooler. So we zip it into hoppers um and fly home. And then when you get home, thrown in the freezer, or if you got time, sorted out and package at all how you want it. But if not, if we're leaving again on another hunt, we'll take those gallons size zip blocks, put them in a freezer, and then in the winter, when you get time, pull them back out, let him fall enough to break them apart, trim them whatever you want to do, get him recipe ready, and then go back in the freezer. And people would be like, they'll make this sound that I often they'll make a sound like the dude, the dude, you can't freeze it and then thought and refreeze it the due. You just hear this person on Instagram in the comment section. It's like, yes you can, Yes you can. And the reason I know you can is because I have eaten literally thousands of pounds of meat that was frozen and then thought and refrozen and I'm still here, not in jail. What is the reason? Someone leave that comment, like what is this? It's just one of the things that people. You got your you got your people that don't know. M okay, you got your people that don't know and they just think you can't because of sanitation whatever. Then you got you're like people who are like Joe wild game mm hm, even a lot more Joe. But you've got people who are Joe wild game and they're like, well, no, I actually can't because of the moisture loss and because the food temperature stuff. Yes you can, you can, because we do it all the time and we're all fine. The other thing that I want to throw in here is, and I hear this often, if you want, if that meat is near and dear to you and you want to take it home, it can be done. Don't let anybody weary you're at tell you that oh no. Yeah, Like sometimes it takes stand up all night and getting things really separated to get them cooled down to an appropriate temperature, but it can be done. I hear horror stories about outfitters really going out of their way to discourage clients wanting to bring their game home because it just adds to the stuff they have to deal with. Yes, yeah, bad. I one time was flying out of I can't remember what airport in Florida it was back is Jeff Blue still an airline. They were telling me that it was like Palm Beach or something. They're saying that we have a policy that no one can fly with fish. I'm like, that cannot be true. Jeff Lewis telling you that one time. And I raised a big stinking and let me check it. But someone at the conner try to tell me that you can't fly fish, but you can't fly with fish, and they back down, but just flippingly, like just to just to get rid of the half and to deal with it. Can't flay off fish. Yeah yeah, And I, um yeah, I've had kind of similar experiences where it's like where you start beating them up a little bit just by asking politely. Have a bunch of different questions, and it comes down to, like, let me get the form out Alaska Airlines, that's a fish from hunting friendly airline. Man, if you don't have fish, you don't fly and catch Candlelaska Airlines they take your fishing game and go put in the freezer while uh, it goes from the baggage counter into a freezer and then it goes from the freezer a round of the plane when it's time. Do they take fishing game? Serious? Mate? Do you want to make the point though that I personally believe of the opinion that the meat does not have to be frozen. A good chill cold is good, But as long as it wasn't radiating heat, I would put it into that hopper and stick it into that plane. It's gonna go into the belly of the plane and then go up to thirty feet where it as cold as hell. That's probab, you're gonna be cooling. I mean, unless you're just happy to be flying from Florida to California via Texas and just staying in the hot zone the whole time. But for the most part, it's probably getting colder as you fly. Your meat is gonna be fine even if you it was like a very very long day of flying. It's gonna stay cool, it's not gonna warm up. You're gonna be fine. And then you can fly with I think three pounds of dry ice. Really yeah, a couple of chech questions and don't put dry ice and a yetdie hopper and seal it. Oh it'll be other too air tight. Yeah, they they we almost can'ton Greuth and I had almost had a couple of meat bombs. We had a couple of scary situations of dry ice and hoppers. If you if you put dry us in the hopp or leave the zipper cracked a little bit, yea, what is that whistling? And I started digging through the back of the handle fire and I'm like, oh my god. I never ever messed with try ice. Man. I had a trick. I got in trouble for talking about this one time. But we had a trick once upon time where this is a hotel trick. You know those ice machines at hotels where you take your a little bucket ice and go out in the hallway and get ice. It's humming away down the hall. Man. We've had I was on it. I was doing an NPR interview one time and someone was asking about traveling with fish, and I say, you know, it's a good trick because we used to stick fish and keep it chilled in the icemaker at the hotel. Just kind of dig a trough in the back and stick your frozen fish back and then and shove the ice back on it. And I can't here, man. Someone the the NPR station got a lot of complaints from hotel you from hotel, from hotel people being pissed about it's smart. Couple questions. Someone says, Steve never uses a spot and scope? What's up with that? Spot scopes? All the time I used spotting sculpts. Nine of my spot and scope use is given something a careful examination after I have found it. I don't find a lot of stuff with spotting scopes. I don't know any real serious hunters that we hang with that sit around for hours the way we do glassing through binoculars, closing one eye am peering through a single spotting scope. It just doesn't from what I've seen, it just doesn't work. Yeah, your eyes get tired that way. You're like squinting. Um. The panting is harder. You need to have both eyes open when you're doing initial glassing. And yeah, and now there is a thing where you can mount two spotting scopes side by side and look through them at the same time. Man, oh baby, show me that. That sounds great. But I do think even um, if you're doing a lot of like fine looking trying to locate what the spottings go, just because of that, I relief, uh kind of fresh perspective. It's great to bounce back and forth, um, because it almost like rejuvenates between bounce back and forth between your eyes. Oh no, just from binos to spot or even when you haven't located anything, yeah you know, yeah, like who's your hunt? I oftentimes just had to lay down and just close my eyes, and my eyes start to get such like just like a weird like I've been staring ating my act. There's too long. But we're just not at mule your hunt. I carry it like I had my just regular I emols myself with a pair of ten power binos, so I had a pair of vortex raisors of tens and then I had a five millimeter so that's like the objective lens so big ass spot and scope, and I had that thing out ten times. Well, I don't know, we're seeing four to ten bucks every day every year we found I'd had the spot and scope out looking at it, so it's out all the time or now and then to be like some little pocket you couldn't really see into and you're kind of curious about, I might put a spot in scope on it. But every time we'd be like, there's a box, and I would get spots about one to see what was up with him, and two to scan around and see if he had anybody's hanging around bedding under some tree nearby. So I'd always give him. I'm doing it all the time, man, I'd like to keep it handy. I don't like to put it where I can't get at it, because then you know, then you're too lazy and you can't get it out when you're glassing. Are there different techniques that you use with your binos checking out a hillside or yeah? Yeah, I mean up, down, back forth, all that kind of stuff near far close. Yeah, mine is pretty um. I sit down and look at all the good stuff first, and then I start picking the place apart. Yeah, I go over down, back, try to break it up into a way. A minute. Let's say youre looking across a flat plane at a hill and there's like, you know, there's like a big ridge that divides the hill you're looking that. I might be like, Okay, I'm gonna do the left of that ridge side to side. I can't do the right ridge. I'm gonna do the flat plane. I'm gonna go in that order again and again and again and again and again and again and again, and try to have some order to it, because if you just look at all the cool looking stuff, you miss a lot. Yeah, yeah, it's curious about no the tech question. Why fixed blades and not mechanicals. I don't know a man broadheads, I don't know. I just like them because they're already in the position they're supposed to be in fixed blades. But no, it's not, it's nothing. It's just I'm like, oh, there it is, is all put together. It doesn't need to do anything. I don't think that's not enough. That's my reason. It's already the way. It's already the way it's supposed to be. And I don't gotta wonder, right, But I mean, but I know a lot of like very accomplished archers who know more about archie tackle than I ever will, who love mechanicals. But for me, it's just like one less thing. We we used them for a while and it was kind of even the infancy. No, I mean they've been around a long time. It was kind of like when they first started becoming popular and they had the rubber bands, you know, and like they'd get too much sunlight on them, and then the rubber band and be brittle, or the rubber bands that we're supposed to be and you're like checking your pockets for just like I messled them and then I just something about I like one piece like one piece broadheads, because I just I just look at it and I understand it and I know what's up with it. Yeah, you get a little corrosion and stuff just from like morning do after multiple mornings in the field running around and and they I've had them like stuck together to the point where I was like, I don't care what you run this through. It's not gonna come open. It's just like old man ship. I look at it and I understand it. Nothing needed to be put together. I just know that. It's like that's what it is there. It is that makes sense. Yeah, I wouldn't use mechanicals much either. You know, I think that the technology has come a long way with those broadheads. If I shot my bow at more critters, i'd probably try him. Um. But yeah, right now, I shoot fixed because they seem more sturdy, more durable. They filled the engineer. Remember how earlier today I was trying to get you to go to hunter safety. Yeah. Yeah. Let's say you went to hunter safety and then you got a bowl and you learn how to shoot your bow, and then you developed this this insatiable blood lust. Probably probably gonna happen. Uh. Would you be a fixed man or a mechanical man? Well, I mean just the same reasons that you're talking about. It seems more simple, probably will last longer, I'm guessing, like like in the morning, you know less of a chance of them falling up. Heart you're worth, is your fixed man? Yeah? From all the knowledge I know about the subject, I've weighed the pros and cons, and I've come to the conclusion that I am a fixed man. Well stated, you can hit number thirty one if you want to knock it out. Another tech question, Oh yeah, great tech question. This one comes up a lot. You can't answer it enough. Go ahead, cal give the question and the answer. What is the electrical tape on the end of your barrel? If you just answer that straight out, it would be electrical tape. But we've learned about this in hunter safety. I think they like, crap in your gun. We discussed it. I can't remember. I think it's on the test putting a piece of tape over the have to ask Tracy, Yeah, there's in one of the videos. I think. Really, yeah, preventing stuff from getting down into your barrel your gun. That's great, that's it. Yep. They didn't tell me that. In hunter safety. Yeah, that there is intense they fail get ready. I remember them discussed, like talking a lot about keeping your muzzle clear, you know, I mean aware of the fact that you could trip stumble poke your muzzle into the mud and it was gonna jam eight inches of mud into your muzzle, which I've never seen actually happen in real life, and then you would pull the trigger in the back pressure would cause the gun to blow up. I packed a barrel full of snow this morning. Bad. Really, I I packed my rifle barrel full of mud, packing of bull. The bull is already long since expired in in pieces. I'm partially on my back but stumbling through the rifle slit off and uh, that is terrible. But it got cold enough to where that whole core of mud just came out, and I swear to God that thing was so clean actually helped. I don't understand how it worked, but um, yeah, it's just an I mean major barrel cleaner like it just yeah, But I did a you know, full maybe I had just built up how dirty it was going to be in my mind, and by the time I got back and actually put a light down the barrel and looked at it, I was very amazed at how how clean it was. Um, you're feeling good about it? Yeah, this is one that I like because I've heard it discussed in a lot of circles with with folks that have produced all sorts of shows and movies for Netflix, which is doesn't bother you that all those months of hard work can be watched in a day. Yes, yes, Maggie, yeahly season nine, are you getting those comments? The number one comment that's probably the number one question on you should have that an audio thing? When season nine filming, it right now. I think that's just the whole world of just I mean, not that I work on the show, but just production and post production. It's like a lot of stuff I do. Sometimes you have to think about You're like, man, the lifespan is less than twelve hours in the days and time, and that I put in a into it more or less than also all the other people working on it. It's just crazy to think about. But a big motion picture that you also watching nine twenty minutes, they can spend years on years millions of dollars for those two hours, millions and millions um. But nobody complains about that. Good chat question. Do you have a pack weight limit? How much is too much? Man, it's gone down over the years. Uh. At a time we would care area around packs that were approaching a hundred pounds um and while and it's like something really weird happens when you jump up, like even when you jump up to like seventy pounds, you put it on and you suddenly feel kind of fragile, Like you put it on, you could picture hurting yourself. You're like, I could picture tripping and hurting myself. And I have done a couple big pack outs. I don't know if it was probably not over a hundred pounds, but done a couple of packouts and now you know over a decade ago. Uh that just that that you didn't feed, your body didn't feel right for a week or two after, like you like just just I don't do it anymore. I just don't do it anymore. When we wait those what do we wait? We weigh those packs on that Washington Elk hunt, H well, I had, like my was like eighty four and years was like no low nine these maybe and they were pretty brutal. I think nine pound pounds over the top. I think for me on that one, I can't remember Dandy pulled off a pack to weighed one on nine or something once. Yeah, there's a lot that you could we could pull off. I mean, I'm sure I could carry a hundred and thirty pounder out of the woods. But I'm playing the long game these days, and I want to be hunting hel can romp in the mountains well into my sixties. That means I have at least twenty years maybe of good mountain hunting. And uh and much rather take this last bull I killed in Colorado. We did two trips. The guy that I was with was not gonna do one big load anyways. I probably could have doubled up quarters and packed it out, you know. So if I had two guys like me, we could have done it one trip. But we just you know, went lighter packs fifty to sixty pound, did two trips. Felt great. At the end of the day, walked you know, an extra six miles, but it was a nice day to be in the mountains, you know. Yeah, I think it's for context, Like I can put ten days worth of what I need to live and and honestly pretty darn comfortably in the mountains um on my back and the whole kit everything I need is under sixty pounds for ten days. I don't know if that does provide contacts for folks. But yeah, well then you're like you put it on, and you're very aware of having that pack on. You're like a where that it's there. Yeah, And I guess the good news there is like from the first snack on, it's getting lighter the whole time, you know, like it will and until it's time to start packing animals out, it's it's not going to increase in weight. Uh. Question trophy hunting question, how do you learn to gauge the size of a deer long distance just by looking at him all the time? And the other thing is like you gotta kind of ask you something like why do you care? Uh? We like I like to look because you like big giant buck. Yeah. Like the other day I was saying to someone, we're hunt with some guys, and whe of these guys have passed up a five point bowl, and I was saying, my new mantra is that elker for eating and mule deer are for looking for big ones. Um. Yeah, I guess you just learned a little I don't know, like a good like for for us. When we're like looking at mule deer and looking at COO's deer and stuff, the first thing you're looking for is um. It's kind of like the most immediate reference is you describe boxes like outside the ears, inside the ears, outside of the ears, inside of the ears. Like if you see a box and his horns are wider than his ears, you take notice. You're like, let me get a look, right, Yeah, there's a buck hey inside the ears. The truly big ones doesn't matter what species of antler and animal this is our buddy Jay Scott always say this. It's like it's gonna look abnormally large on his head. It's gonna make his head look little because those are the truly it looks. It looks weird because it's so big. You can do all the you know, oh, it was touching his butt when he put his head back, or when he turned his head. It was his wise is you know, from his shoulders to this, that and the other. The really big ones, they just like, there's no question about it. If you have to try to talk yourself into it. It's not as big as you want it to be. Other things like if you really are like trying to trophy judge an animal. Well, now before we get into that, another quick hitter is usually the more mature animals were gonna gonna have a little bit of a darker antler, especially looking at mule deer, the young spinley ones tend to be a little bit whiter in color, a little chalkier. The darker ones are with the more mature ones. But after that it comes down to high length. You're looking for long times, but a big thick chocolate e outside the ears. We we were talking abut because we're talking like like why why does everyone seem to in our group of friends and stuff, everyone sort of agrees on what's like absolutely like a shooter box, right, and I don't know, it just has certain yeah dark antler Yeah, a minimum amount past years. And I was looking all the time. Uh, the last time I gotta go up and hunt Alberta for me oldier. My spotting scope actually got stolen out of the back of my track. So I was up there hunting without a spotting scope and it was like very very frustrating, but I so all. I had my UM tripod and my binoculars on the tripod and was glassing and um, I had to and you're looking at deer from a long way way. I had to really rely on the body like that is a big body. It appears to have a big gut on it, and it's got antlers on its head. I'm gonna go after that buck, not the rest of these bucks, because that is just a significantly bulkier deer that that looks older from this perspective way back belly dragger. And I will tell you absolutely no exaggeration. I was consistently hunting larger deer than the guys that we're hunting with spotting scipes. Yeah, because there it's like you want to go take off and chase a deer and and go hunt it. And and I would have been the exact same way. But and they were like, boy, that's a really nice dear. Boy, that's a really nice dear. And they're like, it's got to be big, like a little bit of talking to yourself off into it because you're raring to go and you want to go. I give it every deer the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I start out assuming every deer is a bucket, Every buck is a big un until until it proves otherwise. That's my operating assumption. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. So here's the question, has nothing to do with the season eight of met Eater. How long can you keep properly packaged frozen wild game before eating it? Depends on what it is. I just got my wife and I stayed up late last night, and uh, I made a big, big mess and got in trouble me because I just had a defrost my freezer, which we're going through a cold snap right now, and I was say, a great time for freezer first thing about your dad and saying, you know what, don't curse the darkness light of candle. It's zero negative something out there right now. That's a great idea. Pull everything out of your freezer. Just chuck it on the back deck at our house. You do have to cover it because the magpies will get after. I don't know how the hell they figure out that they're meet out there. It's like, I know, because if it's just a piece of if it's a bone with some scrap on it, I was like, it's color. But how do they know. I don't know. God, he got a good nose on him. Yeah, it must be. It must be the nose. So anyways, the day before I just turned the freezer off after I emptied it and opened up the plug at the bottom, thinking there's like a little bit of you know, frost in there that needs to melt out. When I came home, it's like not half but like you know, there was a good ten foot radius around the freezer. Really, dude, I need to be frost my freezer. But anyways, we put it all back in there last night and there was a tender loin elk tender loin from seventeen. I get so attached to those things that I'm like, let's you guys aren't worth it. Let's say it for another year. I got no problem. I think it's gonna be a great piece of I would say it depends what it is. Meaning I like to eat. When we go to our fish shack and bring salmon home, I like to get them eating up. Yes, all that seafood does not do well. It doesn't do well like any and all. See like if you got if you got bluegill flas. You know there's that fish, giant Travoli, and everybody likes to calm gets. Let's start calm bluegills bags. If you got bluegill flase, they're so lean, you know what I mean. If you freeze like bluegill flas and water, I mean you can keep them for a long time. But generally, like seafood, I just like to get rid of it. If I was gonna say that, I think that the high that a high fat content has to do with something has to do with how little how I fatty fish can't freeze long sure, or fatty meat for that matter. You know, pork just doesn't last. The fat ends up going back bear. Meat that's not properly trimmed goes bad fast and to freeze like the fat goes ransom, and the freezer properly trimmed, like, let's just say we're talking about venison deep members of the deer family. Trim the tallow off, trim the fat off. It lasts for years if you you can vaccinal it, but then you gotta take care of the bags. And I use a vaxin there for seafood, so I think it does a nice job of seafood. But I like to wrap my red meat. I like to wrap it in plastic wrap, and I like to wrap in wax freezer paper and good tight wrap. Then put the wax freezer paper on. It seems like a lot, but you can eat it years later. I quit label in the meat in my freezer. I quit label in the date because then people I don't like have to explain the date to people. Right, and my wife looks in there and she sees something that says two thousand seventeen. Well, you're like, what the hell is that? I just don't even put it on it, and then no one has the no. Then I don't have to explain why stuff on my counter says three years ago if if, if it came down to it, it's not like David Meltzer brought over the ship from dug it up. But I I try to do uh what how do you call it? We talked about this, uh lasting first last in, first out, first in, first out. Yeah yeah, I used to working at a grocery store. First yeah. I try to do first and first out. And in fact, now the hunting season is totally rolling. I have a plan. I need to go do some organization and I'm gonna take uh, anything I have from last year is going into my kitchen freezer, and and the rule being that's all gone before anybody, because I still have some stray stuff from last year, that's all gone before anybody taps into this year, even though I've been eating this year already, because if I come home with stuff rather than just freezing it, I'll sometimes just start eating it because like why freezing and thought you know what I mean, it's a good rotation. It's so nice to do a little freezer clean because you forget you have all these little goodies, like I found a couple of bags of crabs that you brought for me, that hadn't gotten eaten yet. So those from this year, yeah, I hope, so they didn't have a date on him. The reason for that? Um? What else did I find in there? Some turkey liver pati that I froze? Let's say it for some little fancy cocktail dinner time type thing. Here's one. How do you know when you're done? Okay, I don't know more about shooting a wounding and animal. How do you know when you're done searching? At what point is the breaking point for giving in? Oh? That's tough, man. Um, I think when you're exhausted, that's stupid. It's not stupid. You're exhausted. You're already tired. It's gonna be no exhausted from the looking part you got. Because there's been times when I've we've gone back to camp. I've gone back to camp, gotten a full, nice rest, and then searched all the next day and become exhausted from looking, not exhausted from the hunt. Um, it's mentally oh man, yeah, no, yeah, mentally and physically exhausted. But when you just I don't know, when you just feel like there's no hope, you have to start what happens. I think after a while, with a lot of experience of hitting animals with projectiles and making good and bad hits, is that you just get to read. You see the same things play over and over over again, Like when you see a broadhead broadhead tipped arrow going to an elks shoulder four or five six, maybe even eight inches. You know what, I'm like, Probably not gonna do too much looking. I've just seen too many of those. It's just like, dude, that thing gets hit worse when he fights with his buddy tomorrow, you know, from the Antler Times, right, So you after a while you learned to read those hits, you know. Um, that's if I had to answer the question, that's why I deferred you. If I had to answer it, I would say that the more you're exposed to the more you start to like make sense of things and you and it changes your approach where if you're like I did think I know that thing is dead or I know that thing's not gonna die, right, Yeah, but man, it's the assumption that that's such a killer two Like I I mean, I've just seen the most bizarre stuff and and that bowl I lost in New Mexico, Like it was such a non lethal hit and it would like that placement that every the penetration was just a non lethal hit. The way the bull moved afterwards, followed the tracks, no blood, no nothing, non lethal, non lethal, non lethal. Um. The one thing though, is he was still packing that arrow. And I swear to God, man, like what we found when we ultimately found the bull, which was just pure dumbass luck. Um was like, you know, backtrack from where the carcasses, and I swear to God that thing laid down and jam that arrow into him, you know. But I was like doing my due diligence here falling in falling tracks, and I know we aren't gonna come ount to anything, and we just really have to do that. Yeah. Man, if people make the call without even walking over, that's bad. Yeah, you should never do that. And there's some things you learned. Like I was on a tracking job one time. Something we didn't find where you find like a bone fragment and not a lot of blood. Yeah, and you're like lower you know, you're like, okay, lower leg, it's gonna be tough. Yeah, I've been there, you know. Then then like I said, this little telltale signs man, where you're like, people be like, holy shit, he must be real dead. It's a bone fragment land here, Like how would that happen? You're like, well, I happened to hit him in the Yeah, but he's gone. We gotta look a long time since I told this story, but I was way back when was guiding antelope hunters. Guy chopped his buck pancake. I was like, oh, something didn't look right, and and he was very very excited, Um, real nice antelod buck. And I'm like, reload, reload, reload, and he was kind of in the throes of like triumph. And finally he snaps back into it, but just in time to see that antelope get up and Paul ass out of there and go over and there is like the very top. I gotta learn the name of what this is. But you know, like the long spine, uh, chunks of bone that come up from the spine like on the Rassic process. Is that on the neck? Yeah? Um, how'd you like that, Maggie. That was very impressive. That the version very impressive that I knew that someone wrote someone wrote in about that might even been our chiropractor buddy. The thoracic processes or whatever, know that it was. I wish Phil the editor was more the engineer, like, did a lot of fact checking. Wait, outside of his job description, we can make it my job description. That's fine. I'm gonna rewrite that description. But we made a significant medical fact checking. There is hair, blood, and that top of that bone land on the prairie. Oh my gosh. And yeah, I never seen that. Had a client two weeks later killed that buck. Really yeah, and he knew it was the same one just because of oh, because of the giant scar and take blood puss um. Yeah. Okay, here you want to hear this is from Brian. You hunt it with Brian at the the Auction to trc P hunt last year in Colorado. I asked him about it after someone else had written in about it, and he replied, for most mammals, the projections off the vertebrae are generally referred to as spinus processes and transverse processes. That sounds like mostly right, that's an educated guess. I have not heard of thorastic processes. That doesn't mean that one doesn't exist. Oh, the thorastic is just the first one. Mm hmm. So it's the that was mostly wrong. Well, the thorastic is seven vertebrae, isn't it because there goes cervical thorastic lumbars, spinny is process whatever? That was most right. A couple of folks that actually a lot of folks asked this different forms of the same question. What are you guys packed for food for the longer hunts? Like the Alaska doll sheep hunt. Um that was that episode is a lot of people's favorite episode. It's contemplative, contemplative, I go with contemplative. And the scenery is uh, beautiful scenery. It's kind of like quiet and poetic and nice music. And now too, I'd like to add that we have sort of we have a very good spectrum um within the media library of what doll sheep hunts can be like, because when you went on that, when you had the toke tag, we ran up there, we found a sh ramp before the opening day and then got it that morning. Yeah, I mean we found a mid No, it wasn't because remember it was super foggy. We probably actually didn't even see him until probably close to noon. But anyways, yeah, that next day as as they gotten that morning. But he was dead and uh, we kind of complained earlier he mentioned We're like, man, sure missed out on running a bunch of ridges that would have been fun. Well, we got to run our Actually we didn't run too many ridges because it's too cloudy floor. We ran a lot of valley floors on this last trip. But yeah, we have We have both types of doll sheep punts, and then there's everything in between. I'm gonna give our you know where. This is the first time anyone's mentioned it, and I hesitate to even mentioned it. We are working on two books. Um. One of these books will contain you a lot of information like what I'm gonna tell you right now. Uh, our basic bad Country meal plan goals like this, um instant coffee. Oh check this out. We used Starbucks villa mm hmm um. We use Starbucks villa and bags of powdered creamer so it looks like you got a bag of coke in a in a cocaine movie. You guys want to rub it on your lips and that's good ship. But a lot of people like to complain about the villa. We've tried a lot of other products to find a dude in Missoula. He found one. Hear me out. Hear me out this dude in Missoula. Sam, I got his address on my desk. Uh, I'm done with the v is because micro trash, man, it does leave a lot of micro trash. You gotta please your micro trash. But here's the thing. I thought, you know this guy? I do. There's a guy Sam, Yeah, is that right? B h A supporter, darn good gay he sent me. I think it's like this the surfing dude layered Hamilton's. Is that a correct? Okay? I like Mike Keely myself. Keely doesn't make the product I'm talking about. He's got like all these coffee anyway. He sent me this coffee and I haven't tried to x. I'm saving it for a backcounch trip. It's coffee and creamer mixed super food original and sure, I don't know there's like a sweet one original one. It's like instant coffee and it's the creamer is supposed to be made of. It is funny because he wrote letters saying I don't know that you're in me, Like he's saying I don't know you meaning me. Um, if you're into super food. But maybe Janice is like he has personality more pact is one likely to be in the superfood. But I amn't a super food cause I think squirrel is super food. There's a lot of things that. Yeah, there's a lot I think that I have because you just get the name ship, you think it's super food, right, I think squirrel is a superfood. Um, I'm into superfood like it. But I'm looking forward to trying that. But I wanted to give our here's our basic here's our basic bad country meal plan. Hold on the corner, put the coffee. I'm not doing the coffee. So I switched over it to going back to old old school, just just getting the unfortunately like little glass jar of whatever instant. Yeah, we just we just drank that for eight days, you know, because I like, no, I didn't I in my trash via the whole time. Other people that we were with had to drink it. Tasters choice, no cafe tasters choice. Yeah, the one that, uh, I think it has the Mexican flag on there. Well, I was just thinking to myself, you know what, it would have been a great product for the back country, but I don't. I'm trying to buy it right now on Google and I don't know if it's available. But General Foods International Coffee remember those They were like a rectangular box with the red lid, kind of sea and it had everything that you needed in their creamer, sugar, caffeine. But I don't I'm not seeing it right now on the internet. Might have gone on a business, it might not be around. I'm looking forward to that stuff that dude Sam sent me. I need to write him a thank you, know. Um So let me give my our meal plan. All right, you guys can complexify this all you want. What are you gonna start with breakfast? Let's started with coffee. I'm just not going as quick as I wanted to a Starbucks via then, whether you do or do not use cream, We'll usually take a little container. Some guys put in some of our w P. A is put it into ziplock bag, which drives me crazy. It's better to have like a little container. You get a ari I in a little container section full of cream. Yea oatmeal two envelopes per person, instant oatmeal packages. You eat the oatmeal out of the bag, just like what what what? I'm gonna have to interject because I said, you can complexify all you want to trying to help people out. Go ahead what I know, but we've like it's it's not. I don't think you're being honest by saying that that is like our go to anymore, because you might eat two of those packets per trip, Like we just like those things. He was asking about our like a dull sheep hunt. What might one plan on bringing? Okay, but that was one thing. You know what? Sorry, your answer, your question cannot be answered. No, it can be answered. I'm just saying, are you gonna add more breakfast items? Because that's like, it's not because I like the I like those vinegare have there's choice breakfast. Ye, those are good. That's not oatmeal. No, but it's like a quick little thing. I tell you what I don't like. It's as much as I love house, I don't like houses. I don't like houses. Breakfast skill it. We ate quite a few of those on that trip though. Um, okay, so bagels and cream cheese, I like that. But I'm trying to talk about like a real anybody can figure out how to feed themselves. I'm trying to talk about, like if you really like like a Backpacking Applausible backpacking menu. Mm hmm, let me do this. I'm gonna talk about time. Be honest. Wasn't there instant coffee, instant oatmeal? Then for lunch, you have flatbread with sliced meat and cheese, and you have a container of mayo or mustard or both. M hm uh. My brother likes to have an onion that he adds into it. And you make a little thing where you get like two flatbreads and a bunch of meat and cheese. We used to use carl budding lunch meat because it can't rot. Like it can't rot. I don't know how. You'd have it for months in the back of your truck and it's just fresh. It's just as fresh somehow, as fresh as the day you bought it. So we used to like that stuff. Or you can bring donk like summer sausage whatever, like a meat and a cheese that you put on a flatbread and you put mayo or mustard. That's your lunch. You're good luck with all kinds of cured meats lately, because they have some of the same properties as the Carlo. Is it budding your budding Carl? We always call it carl. We didn't even use the second word, like, hey, you go, I'll get the instant call, you go the grocer start, I'll get the instant coffee, you get a bunch of carl, I'll eat you check out and everybody know who that meant? Uh yeah, uh dinner house. And then all throughout the day you're eating tons of bars, and you're getting really jealous of the guy at night who has some pringles or corn chips. And then it's great to have candy bars and bars and you eat those all throughout the day and then uh some dicaffey to tease usually big hit that night. The follow up question is what kind of bars do you guys like? The answer is all and none, all of them and none of them. Just get yourself a variety, because no matter what your favorite is, if it's freaking chocolate cocon today, in two days, chocolate coconut will not be your favorite anymore. Yeah. Uh some favorites pro Bar nothing with fruit. I don't like any fruity pro bar. I'm a fruit lover. Uh we like pro Bar. We like pack of runs yea from from the Heather's Choice. I haven't heard of Those are good we just got a little box of those. Uh my nostalgia one is the like the sweet and salties. Yeah, doing nothing for you can bar. It's like a hybry between a candy bar and all the bar makes you feel better. Though. We eat those ones that are all like it's just like hell food. It's like it'll say in the package, like four dates, three eggs. We eat a lot of kind. I'm a big kind bar guy. Snickers. People always buying Snickers for our Snickers with almonds. I ate a bunch on my last strip. That was a lot of Snickers. The only time I think I ever eat a Snickers is when I'm around Joanna's. He's like, we always it's always in our loop. There's always Snickers in our loop. Starbursts when we were turkey hunting. Yeah, that's what anything like that gets eating up. If you were smart, if you were smart, you'd shop. No, we talked about this. You might not be smart to do that. Um, I say, if you're smart, you'd come out of the mountains, not eat anything, and then grow to a grocery store and buy all your stuff for your next trip. Yeah, but then your next trip would be like springles, corn chips, hot dogs, pizza, rotisserie chicken would be like all the stuff where you're like just like totally calorie starved. You'd like go into a store and be like, I was like, oh, this uh miso soup, instant miso soup for cold weather hunts, ma'am. It's really salty. It's just a nice treat and it recharges all that loss sodium like mid mid day when I fire up the jet boil when it's weather like this. Man, I've done the same thing with chicken and beef. Stock cubes has a little bully on cues. That's good. I like pickle juicey hot, but I brought some turkey any in my water bowl? Fool? Is it cut with a bunch of water? Is it all pickle juice? Just pickled juice? You have to you can buy it, But I had pickles at home, so I just poured the juice and a I had like a small water bottle and I just brought that with me because I like gatorade and I had gatorade powder. In that last question, we all know what the answer is for Maggie. Everybody gets to do it, and it's gonna be a rap even Phil, We're even gonna let you do it. Hey, thanks man. What animal gets your blood pumping the most and why we know it? For mag it's obviously turkeys. One specifically, Maggie gets around turkey, she loses her ability to shoot. There's a lot of things going on in my head. We're like, never shoo him in full strut unless side he's in full strut. Did say, yeah, like, forget that, man, he has a full strut. Go listen to me all the time except for this. But then you gotta know when not to listen to me. I wish I had like a little Steve like still like Pill would have been there with the sound board and it could have been you go and shoot my head. I would have been flipping out. So Mag, you'll let you answer. I don't mean answer for you. I'll go first. What animals my blood pumping the most? And why? Um? Uh? Wild turkeys, mule deer and uh. It's just so much fun to hunt squirrels. It's like fun to go out your friends and hunt squirrels, wild turkeys and mule deer and squirrels just because it's something like it's not the squirrels so much as it's like the it just is always so enjoyable. Oh yeah, all the pressures of a big game hunt, aren't there. You just having just laughing and having fun, just fun. Walk around the woods your bodies looking for squirrels gets my blood bumping. But like big mule to your box get my blood up pumping. Yeah man, yeah, I mean I the quest for a big meal to your buck is still one I am on. And I mean this bad spot where I feel like I've blown like three chances of a lifetime at just a monster buck, I've only I've almost gotten too many of them. Yeah. Man, but you're Steve Ronnella. I mean think all the resources you have it your those big fat fingertips here, I'm just average Joe. Uh yeah, that's I've lost my cool on those damn things like embarrassingly twice um and so yeah man that that's still still at the top of the list. I feel like for a long time I've come partmentalized. Elk into you go in the freezer like I'm just I'm just shuffling you into the freezer. No time to get too excited, Like, let's just get on with the process. Mule, do you her for looking for big ones. Yeah, says that. Yeah, I like I like Phil. Hey, it's kind of a different answer. It's whichever whichever of the deer that jump out in front of my car when I'm taking the beater whirl roads into town during the winter. Those are the ones that get my blood bump. I hear you for separate reasons than you guys, But I like Phil Man. He's got a smart answer. Yea, yeah, I think he's getting wiser because the can we jump over and talk about Phil's mustache real quick? I mean, the growth is the luxuriant. I like it luxuriant, but you do need to die. You like fulfill the curtains, don't manage the drapes. Yes, about his face of my face, the drapes of my face. Thank you for that clarification. Um, yeah, we've talked about just for men. Touch of gray is what lacata just to look distinguished. But yeah, it's for my Halloween costume tomorrow. I hope you guys will be here in the office. I can't wait. I can't wait much. He spends with the headphones on. I want like a real news cast or type of haircut to go with that. Mustache. It would be great, like it's like a side part, Yes, kind of. No one's ever used that word on this podcast the first time, making history, first time. You're welcome many times, yes, I'm sure many times. Quaff never crooner, cro like a like a like a pompa door. You know you've got a little bit of a lift, a curl and a lift. Just say more of that at tim, more of that already ruined. It can't. Let's go to Bill outside. Let's go to Bill outside, Bill guys good Man in the morning announcements. In my high school experience, it's still turkeys, same as the last three times I answered that question. That's change. No, you want me to expect No more is there to say the same as Meggy man gets your blood pumping, But you sure weren't helping her get that turkey? Yeah he did. I was flustered too. A lot going on there, Maggie. What animal gets your blood most pumping? Well, I have to say turkey. You know about getting the turkey's up close, don't you. No, No, my blood runs cold because that same episode. Uh. The only other thing is I had a cockroach crawl at me one time while I sleeping right here. That yeah, at the base of your all that. But we're living in Puerto Rico and was like right here, and I screamed, just yeah, I think that's what they mean. Oh wait, got my blood pumping. But most turks. Sure, it's the only thing I've gone after. So we'll see question change that in the next couple of weeks months. Dude, maybe you gotta do a deer hunt man. All right, I got my tag. I went and bought that. Joe told me to do that. Good. Yes, I'm gonna go buy my duck stamp right now. Well, since we're done eating cookies for your birthday's birthday, I'm gonna go get my duck stamp. Duck stamp, Old Old Mags, Old Marg. You haven't even you haven't even hit thirty yet. I got one more year of that. Some people find their peak at different ages, do you it's old Mag's old. I'm looking forward to hitting my peak yet to come. I'm gonna stay optimistic. Okay, guys, thanks a lot. I hope these questions are helpful to people. And the biggest thing I got to say is this season eight of Meat Eater, available now on net looks go there and stream the whole damn thing, uh and then and then leave it on, so it just appears like you can't stop watching. Thank you,