00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat your podcast coming in you shirtless, severely bug bitten and in my case, underwear lessening podcast. You can't predict anything, Chris, you might revisiting a conversation we had real quick, not at all. Uh Rich Pounder and I were wondering, if you're eating an apple in the woods, you like, stop for a moment. Then you eat an apple, You finish your apple, why do you throw it? Why do you throw the core instead of just dropping it? Why do you want it like you're not gonna be there. My theory was because, well, I think about it, like, I can't do that in my house. You have to take it over to the trash. Can you take the trash? You gotta open it and delicately place it in. But when you're outside you just huck it. Yeah, it feels good. But if you were standing where like let's say you're eating an apple and you finish it and you huck it and where it lands, if you had eaten the apple where it landed, you'd huck it somewhere else. Yeah, you just huck it away from wherever you're at it. I'm gonna stop doing it, though, I'm gonna start when I finish the apple. I'm sitting that. But you tried it and you didn't like it. The trash being near you. Yeah, I tried just setting just dropping the apple core since I'm not staying there anyway. Yeah, just drop the apple core. But no, you're something about your body wants to curl. Huck. I want to make a throwing motion right now, and I don't. I am not even eating an apple. Uh. People like throwing ship they do certain kinds of things. Yeah, I think it's the core is visually unpleasant. You don't want that sitting next. I think that's why we really it might attract insects, and that's not why you throw a core. Well, I mean you're saying you don't know exactly why, but it might be like oh in your deep down, Yeah, in your deep down that a part Is that a part of you? Your deep down? If I told you I was gonna grab your deep down like the mammalian brain, yeah, like how little kids come pre wired fear snakes. Yeah, and we're prewired to distribute apple seeds. Yeah, just like a bird. Interesting, I'm comfortably moving on. Is that very good? Of course? Uh? You know what's funny I'll point out, well, god us talking about apple Core hawking was not an apple Core damn bananippele m hm. Because you don't want to slip, know you just don't. You don't. I don't want that thing around you. You want to like clean little space. Has anyone writing that you know ever slipped on a banana pele? Do we know anyone here who has actually done that? You know? I feel like maybe we had a good laugh about someone once slipping on a banana pel The writer Chris off It once said to me he didn't make this up, but talked about someone having one ft out the door and one on a branana peel or something like that. But now I haven't Maybe I like where did that start? Is that like a cartoon visualization that has now seeped into like all of our But yeah, it's the kind of thing that you know from its representation rather than its individual reality. Uh. Great story we heard dar night, and I think we can all put it together right Uh, And then we're gonna get into a couple of listening issues before we get down to talk about what we're here to talk about. So a mug where you're having dinner with you dar at night. D what's his name's hunter? And he kind of defies my old thing that if you have a kid and you want him to hunt, you're like, oh, I'll name him a hunter and he'll become a hunter. And I've seen that backfire lot, but not on this dude. What was this dude's name, Ynni Hunter? Meek him? Need's meek him or meet him? He guides for Jay Scott and Dark Holburn and he's a lion man. He's a houndsman, comes from a long line of houndsman. Comes from a long line of famous houndsman who have a long line of famous hounds and Utah. I believe they hunt Utah. And his father and his uncle and his family does a lot of also helps out with a lot of research projects involved in lions. He's telling a story about his uncle goes up climbs up in a tree to tranquilize a mountain lion with a tramp gun and takes a poke with the gun and misses. So I don't know if you can say when it's a tranquilizer, but he shoots and misses the lion. So rather than you now he's gotta reload the tranquilizer gun. So he lowers the tranquilizer gun down on a rope to some kind of college kid who's helping out on this project. And the college kid, he made a big point to point out that it was a college kid. Uh, loads reloads of tranquilizer gun and ties it through the ties it through the trigger mm hmm. The trigger guard ties it to the trigger guard, so that once he starts hoisting the tranquilizer gun back up. Oh no, yeah, blouch hits him with the tranquilizer dart oh man, and he's out. His dad this under his dad packed his brother down off the on a on a mule tied to a mule will pack him down. He was out for sixteen hours. Whoa. And they had to keep him up and keep his tongue like keeping positions so his tongue wouldn't fall back in his head, which is exactly what they do with the lion, so they knew what to do. Could have very easily killed him. Tranked. Yeah, that'd be a good name for that movie. Um wow, this has happened recently. Uh. Game warden from Oklahoma gets the chit chatting on a bumble. How many guys around. How do you guys used bumble or have used bumble? I have Bridge Pounders used bumble? Yeah, Okale you've used bumble. Kenny, you've got no business on there? Now is that a hunting He's got no business on there? And Rick, you use bumble the dating app So game Warden is chatting up a woman on a bumble like fixing the data, and she mentions having just that she's doing good because she just shot a huge buck and he gets to ask her some questions about it and get suspicious and and doesn't do it as a dating as a date, but goes over there to do a little investigation. Sure enough, she'd poached a buck buster while trying to Roman answer on bumble. That's amazing in Oklahoma. What's the moral of that story? Don't poach I to be don't date Rick? Before the show, I was asking real quick, um, like you gotta decide right now? Man, do you want like a plug? I really hope you do. You do? No, No, But I just I appreciate that you are looking out for me our friend here, our friend Rick. You're a great a photographer drone pilot we just found out also great a photographer drone pilot. Now that you don't want to mention that these are these are not positives in the world world. No women, if you you're like, oh, he's like a nature documentary photographer, but that would be appealing to women. Here's the issue, though, if you're into essential oils, do not call Rick you like multivitamins. Yeah, because here's a weird deal about here's a weird deal if you're if one was going to date Rick is like you could picture that Rick might lure in. He might lure in people who had habits that Rick is against because he wants to fix them. Well, like, he's very suspicious of vitamins, he's very suspicious of essential oils. He's a skeptic. But you could also see that the the ladies be lured would be drawn to Rick, who might have a crystal in some essential oils. I'm not against that. I mean, I'm really not. So those people can contact you as well. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not. I don't. I don't judge. Man, you're not in the market. You're not in the market. You're not out of the market. I'm definitely not out of there. I'm in the market. He's here. He's lurking outside of the market. It's the good king outside. Yeah, No, lurking lurks not good. Yeah, when you're trying to get a choice, you're trying to get women to find a guy who don't use lurking. That's right, that's that's he's hovering. No, he's pathetically No. I thought I thought this was a hunting. We're getting lurking. Um, I hope you're gonna mention the little buck from your house. Oh yeah, that's a good story. That's a good story. You keep that in mine. So I'm working down. I'm working down through my notes. Here a couple of things about bucks. Uh did you finish pitching? Rick? Oh? Rick? Uh, he's too bashful. How how do they find you? So we have a lot of female listeners. Um, they want to find you. You know, they're like dying, they're dying to date Instagram. I feel like that's the way people find each other. Rick Smith Media, Rick Smith media slipping? No, not slipping? How did they say it? Slide in on Rick's d MS? Oh yea honest, you're pretty much your millennial, are you. Yeah, he's right on the edge, right, I don't have no idea. Yeah, yeah, that's not millennial, that's pretty millennial. Got an email. They contained the saddest line of all sad lines. And I've been thinking about this for a couple of days now. A woman wrote in a letter and her letter contained the line I'm a woman and I'm gay, and so it's hard for me to find to hunt with which I feel like going hunting weather Now sadestly I've ever heard um not an email. So she's saying like one compounds the other, which she's land. She's like, I'm a woman, I'm a woman, and I'm gay. For me to find people to hunt with, that is a bummer. Guy wrote in we're talking about Santa Claus being a grade A hole because, uh, you know, moving around captive servants all over the place spreading disease. Guy wrote in about that that's not my idea, but he says, man, there should be a lot more scrutiny on Santa because he's gonna, like, imagine the disease vector that guy's got going on with his captive deer going to every house, every Christian household in the world, with his herd deer spread and lornels. What around. This guy says, if you really are in a hack on Santa, think about it like this. He says, My understand that deer can't see red. So the only way if all the other deer were so mean to Rudolph, the only way they would have known as if Santa told him that his nose was different. I think his nose as biggers like bullying. He sand, It's like you guys can't see it because you can't see red. You can't see that wavelength to check it out. I can see it, and that Randy is way different and y'all should be mean. It's very good points an interesting observation. Another thing on dear real quick Ryan a fear fear. He has something interesting to say. Um talking about Antler restrictions. So he says, prior to two thousand two, do you know this, Kenyan, I couldn't tell you that the numbers are at the top of the head, but I'm aware of the general and you're gonna tell me about do you mind explaining what an Antler restriction is. An Antler point restriction would be a regulation put in place by a state requiring a certain number of Antler points on a deer's antler for you to be able to legally shoot it. So in Pennsylvania, I think in most parts of the state they put an a p R for short. They put an APR in place of four points on a side for buck to be legal. Oh man, and that was the bantler restriction. He's gotta be a Michigan eight. Yeah. And I not from Pennsylvania, So there might have been a part of the state there was a three point on one side part of the state with his four point on one side. That might be the case. Um, but I believe the Seth sickly Seth is uh too sick to even have a head point on. But most states through on one side. Some of the states four in the one side. Okay, So I've got an uncle who hunts in the four on a side part, which is why I know the story. But it was with a stated goal of trying to help the more one half year old bucks make it to an older age class. Yeah, he he wrote in because we're having this conversation where I was saying, I don't have any data to support this, but I was saying, man, like all the damn bucks when I was a kid, we're a year and a half old. I mean virtually all of them. You mean all the bucks taken. Yeah, it's like everybody he shot box and they were all the same spikes, forks, little sixers, right, just little like not you know, they're year and a half old bucks. It was a real rarity. Like I remember when the old man shot a buck that was not It was like a giant, you know, in our mind. But he was saying, he doesn't he didn't have any statistics off the at his fingertips for um Michigan. But he's saying prior to two thousand two, when Pennsylvania introduced mandatory and the restrictions, they're n of the bucks harvested were one and a half years old. So, if you folks aren't quick at math, nine out of ten bucks rolling a year in a half old. Of that, eighty percent of those were killed on the opening day of guns season. That's pretty amazing. I'm gonna let that sink in for a minute. Then he goes down to say this. He says, in a nutshell, the biggest part of our annual buck harvest, you know, we killed all of our blocks basically in two days of the season. Of those were one and a half years old. At the time, they were about one point to one point two million license hunters in Pennsylvania. That trend, he says, with the norm in those days in two thousand and fifteen, was the first time in our nation's hunting history. So we're outside of Pennsylvania now, two thousand and fifteen was the first time in our nation's hunting history that we saw that trend change. As a nation of hunters, we harvested more three and a half year old olds than one and a half year old in two thousand fifteen. Does that surprise you, Mark Kenyan Wired to Hunt? It doesn't. I've been following that trend for for prior deca now, and it's been moving that direction more and more. And and I just got the data here from this this year, looking back at the most recent datas that would have been from the two thousand seventeen eighteen season would be the most recent data, and that shows that still we're at the lowest record lowest harvest levels four year and a half old's nationally still, So in Pennsylvania you mentioned nine ten bucks kill a year and a half old. Now nationally, only thirty of bucks harvested a year and a half old. Why, Yeah, so pretty interesting and thirty four percent we're three year older, three and a half older. Somebody tell me what's going on. I'll say, what's going on? Rick? People, you should shoot a lot of dinkers now they're shooting Biggins. Yeah. But but the why I understand the I didn't need a recap. I needed someone elsis I needed a recap. I'm really happy. Yeah, I don't know about move on. Rick's got a good question, But Mark, tell them what happened. Well, yeah, there's a little bit of like a egg and chicken kind of thing here. But probably the biggest thing going on here's has been change in culture around white tailed deer hunting in that a lot of hunters started to to see and learn and hear about the benefits of letting young deer reach older eight older age classes. And a lot of that is to um to the credit of of Ryan's employer of the Quality Deer Management Association, who's done a pretty cool job of talking about a lot of different things that we can do is deer hunters and managers to try to, you know, manage for more natural balanced deer herd of course, though to Steve's point that he makes sometimes, which is true hunters, we get a kick out of a big deer too. So a lot of people realize that, hey, if I can make decisions that help the deer herd and help me see and maybe kill some bigger bucks, that's like a fun, beneficial thing to do. So a lot more people saw those benefits and started passing you younger deer, and they started doing things to improve the habitat, did my health, deer get bigger, um, and a slew of other things over the years that the last ten fifteen years have have really changed the landscape when it comes to deer across America. So, yeah, there's a lot more older deer and a lot more deer that are bigger too. Dude, row it in. You're good, Ricky cool? Yeah, I mean is that satisfied? Yeah? I can ask some questions please. Well, I mean, I just don't have any idea. But as the deer get older, does that change the like what is it? How is that affecting the the population area or herds? How does it benefit Can we put that off yeah to a future episode. Yeah, no, well we're gonna have We're gonna focus on that in a future episode. It's okay with you, be honest, I'll tell you when it comes out. Alright. Yeah, that's the only way I learned about hunting by listening to the podcast. So everyone good, I am. Guy says he's got a real beef with me. He says that, um, he says, I got kyot cooking all wrong. He says open. He's saying that. Uh. He saw me cook Kyle where we roasted it with the skin on, and he said that's a sure way to ruin any game animal. That would make even squirrel taste awful. This is him talking, and then he goes on to say I very much enjoy kyote meat and prefer to chunk it up and fry it dusted and flour It tastes like a mild combination of lamb and pork, and it's a great way to add variety to the dinner table. I would love to see you guys give it another try with the care the meat deserves. That's good, that's fine. But I have, contrary to this man's opinion, I have had wonderful squirrel cooked where you burned the hair off of the squirrel and then roast the squirrel with its skin on. In Vietnam, I had wonderful, uh kind of weird squirrel possum looking marsupio critter that a guy had shot out of a tree with a air rifle, that he burned all the hair off and then roasted with its skin. If you read about the Planes tribes, they would cook domestic dog that way, by burning all the hair off and roasting in the skin. I've had wild pork, wild pig by burning all the hair off and roasting in the skin, and that was delectable. As for Kyle being good, how many guys have had high out, Yeah, and he've had a little nibble nibble last one. We should go kill some nooks. I want to try Mandrick's recipe too. Ye, we should give it a try. Oh yeah, I haven't touched one since I ate my last one. A guy wrote in he had hunted in Bolivia. He was down hunting with some Uh indigenous people in Bolivion. He was marveling how they two things. They went out to hunt tape here, and they had a sixty engage shell and they cut it open and put some kind of on their own little They cut it open and took the shot out and made their own little slugs somehow and put it in there and use it to kill a tape here. And he he said that they corded it with the skin on, salted it like crazy. But it reminded me of think about like this talk about shot guns remind me thing. I was with some guys in South America that had a sixteen gage shotgun, but they're only ammo was twelve gauge shotgun shells. So they were going out night hunting and they would take their cut open their twelve gage shell and cut open their sixteen back. Let me back up. Yeah, they had a sixteen gage shotgun and a bunch of spent shells, and they had a box of good twelve gage shells. So they laid out some leaves like bowl shaped leaves, cut the twelve gage shell open, don't the shot into a leaf, pulled the wad out, poured the powder out, knocked the primer out of the twelve gage shell, put the primer into the sixteen gage shell, poured the powder in there, took toilet paper and made a wadding and packed the wide down, poured the shot and got a candle out and wax sealed the things shot and they'd get two or three and that was made up, and then it was time to go hunting. Wow. Yeah. And one night they go out and they come back with a couple of birds and they had a a an aquatic road that they'd killed, and they didn't have enough, and so they went through this whole process and made one more shell and then went back out in their boat and a while later came back near dun hunting. Wow. Good stuff. That is good stuff. Okay, we got it good, don't we? Where where you beginning to Molly's Oh we're um. We're just finishing up a hunt in Sonora, Mexico. Um, not far from you know, ways off, not far from the US border. You can see land features across the line in the US. And it's kind of an auspicious time to be down here hunting, because you know, we're engaged in a great national debate about the um ramifications and costs and merits of constructing a border wall. So it's been funny to be down flirting with the border and seeing the border and and and and being down here hunting. It's been like more I've come down here a number of times over the years to hunt, and it's been more sort of I don't know, the geopolitics around my mind now more than normal being down in Mexico um Cou's deer. But I felt just the same as years passed, the hunting, the land well and the the whole travel in the process. No, no problem, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting that I'm not. Yeah, I didn't mean to suggest that it was problematic in anyway. You weren't. I was just adding that, yeah, now that it was problematic anyway, It was just like an interesting time, right absolutely to come down and hunt and Couzier. It's Umku's deer also pronounced Cow's deer. A kind of a weird dude with a real weird personal history. Elliott Cous' is a guy whose name was applied to these deer and you're hearing called desert white tails, a little dinky, nine hundred pound white tails that live in the mountainous desert and the Sky Island mountain chains. Some in New Mexico, a great many in Arizona. And then this is kind of like the good old days down here in Mexico. There's gotta be more couzier down here than in all of Arizona when don't you guess? Yeah, in all Sonora, lots of cous dear, lots of cuse dear. So came down and we were the way. I've never hunted down here anyway, but this way, but we've never come down not with working with Talk about Jay how I used to work for him, my buddy Ja. Yeah, I used to work for him as a fishing guide. He was a client of mine. That's how we met. I didn't realize that you guys met that way floating down the old Eagle Eagle River mm hmm. So you guided him fishing and then you started guiding for him. Yeah, that's right in Arizona, a little bit down here and those big famous elk units in Arizona. That's right. Good times, And you'd like to add about that, you're being awful. Kurt had a lot of fun hanging out. I always when I see dark down here, I always think back on those times and uh miss him because Darna used two got together and I have a lot of good laughs. So yeah, no, I don't know what to add about it. It was good, um, but yeah, so Jay, I didn't have no idea how time flies. But Jay said, this is his twenty first year of doing this down here. Really, yeah, Jay Scott has glassed up the last time I asked him this question, how many mountain lions he's ever glassed up? The last time I talked to him, he was at thirty two. It's like he spent so much time glassing. You know, look a through his binos or spot and scopes his number. Now he's glassed up forty three. So if you think you spent a lot of time out hunting, add up how many mountain lions you've seen through your binos and then consider that this man has glassed up forty three mountain lions while looking for other jumps. Yeah, if you're a Western hunters spent a lot of time on the glass. This really wouldn't work for a do that sits and tree stands. For a white tail, No, you can wait a long time for mountainline to walk by. But what Jay does? So Jay guides down. Jay guides in Mexico. He guides elsewhere too, But he guides in Mexico, and he guides for Gould's turkeys um and guides for Cou's deer. But also does give him give him the give him the spiel, Ynny, you'll do a better job of it. It's a he basically does like a d I Y program for guys that want to come down to Mexico and hunt Cou's deer, and so he the hunt itself is completely d I Y. But he arranges the ranch and then it helps with your paperwork for crossing your firearms across the border, and then kind of gives you, um, just lays out the whole process of what it's going to take a cross the border going both directions. But he'll basically secure a ranch and secure deer tags for that ranch, and then um, you buy those through j you know, but the ranch provides them. And then he basically uh helps you get your firearm permit for Mexico and then gives you like a real clean rundown of like this is what you need if you're gonna bring a vehicle across the border. You need the insurance and a letter that says that you're the owner has had to then number this stat and the other and then gives you real clear directions and he also offers I think, um like what we call fixers or like and translators like they can be at the border to meet you, to help you through that process to get you to your ranch. And once you have to ranch, you on your own and it's like you're it's like you have you it's like having a chunk of national it's not national force because very much privately owned land. But it's like it's like when you CROs us the border and come down in here, not that far man, it's like you've gone back like a hundred years back in time, huge ranches. People still work cattle on horseback. It's great, mon. I mean, I had a very different idea of how this trip was going to be when um I got the offer to jump on and yeah, this whole situation is really fantastic. And the folks um that we've had helping us out here at at the Rancho um are great. And it's just kind of like it's nice watching uh and being around folks who are living simply and um, you know, I kind of feel like a bum because they were working, but you know, while we're tramping the hills. But it's it's is nice. It it's kind of kind of relaxing. Oh yeah, man, caught loose on like caught loose, winding around like a giant chunk of property. Yeah, got a bunch of deer hiding out in the mountains in it. Yeah, and it's it's just been It's great too, because it's not like you're not like walking down to some or not even walking in some cases. You're not just like stepping out the door and looking at some center pivot that's fully irrigated and chuck chuck chucking away and there's deer living in there night and day. And um, you know I wouldn't mind having a spot or two like that. Well, then you wouldn't see any of the ranch, you know. I mean, this has been awesome because, um, you definitely got to do some exploring and and checking out new stuff, and it's been great. It's been great. It's funny back home hunting white tails. When you talk about a property you can hunt. You know, if I said I got a big property to hunt, I'd be like a hundred fifty acres two acres. I would be really excited about that. When you're talking about this kind of scale we have out here, like you said, it does feel like national forest. It's vast, it seems unending almost tens of thousands of acres completely undeveloped, like all day never cross the border. Yeah, completely, like just like not developed. It's just a different it's just different. The way you hunt Cousier. As you get up this is the This isn't the way it has to happen. But typically you get up on the kind of the biggest highest peaks around it you can find, and um, and you have to just watch the surrounding hillside is very very very carefully extremely hard to pick up. The brush is tall and the animal is small. And it like, for me, one thing uh that really struck me and something that I had to kind of like recalibrate my brain over and over again too, is um was it when when any animal stands out in the wide open, you're kind of like, oh, yeah, there he is, and they seem like bigger than life. But when they're in that brush, these things are so small that UM. Free handing my binoculars at often many times throughout this hunt, free handing my binoculars would be frustrating to the point where I thought it was pointless, Like I had to have them on on the tripod because so many times I like looked at a deer and the only reason that I caught it was because of the motion of the deer. And that could be like the chin moving as it's chewing its cut, like little white flashes from its chin moving, or just an ear flicker, or you know, maybe in a generous way, it'd be like a big white tail given a flap um. And so if your binoculars were moving at all, you know, at yards um, you're gonna miss that little bit of motion. It was just amazing at like, I had a hard time giving them the credit that they would due as far as their ability to disappear. Yeah, go ahead, well, I was gonna say. And then to compound on that, if you were to somehow you know, well, if even if you had him on tripod, if you bumped them or in any way left that singular focus on that little bit of movement, you almost never find it again. So if you're handheld, you're stuck. Yeah, that's a good point, because you look at it like a sea of brushy slopes. And oftentimes you'll be sitting there with you with your bodies at your hunting with and you'll be like, oh, got one, and they'll be like where like I can't, I don't, I can't tell you, I don't know, I don't want. I can't take my eyes off it to get the context, and you can't. You know that the minute you move your eye to figure out where it is, that your binoculars are centered on it in order to explain it that something's gonna happen, You're gonna lose track of the deer. It's like the world's best game of Where's waldo? Oh. It's fun, but it's like it's they just vanish. Then you see him and oftentimes you like catch them and you never catch him again. He went into that never mind and you never see him again, and we're hunt him during the rut. So you and you don't even watched two Dear Make Love. That's the second time I've seen that happened this year. I was commenting on the strong oral component. Yes, said love making a lot of beforehand. After Yeah, you k that needs to be further defined. I don't want it to find we got down family. It's a family program. Uh, there's two like there's two things. And you know I've heard uh guys like big white tail guys talking to you. Mark, You're the kind of the main one I know, um talking about bucks being locked down. Yeah, lockdown being that that there's a period like in the breeding cycle when you can't find any big box because the big box are just standing there. Body, don't you're not doing anything. They're just hanging out with the dough and man like, we saw two kinds of buck activity box that were just moving so fast and so much that it was like you couldn't go get him if you wanted them, because they just come in and out of your life. You know, well, there is you kind of where you watch him, you losing me, watching me lose me, watch me losing in precent his way the hell down the hill and he's gone and he's just gone. Or you catch a glimpstom and he goes into some giant sea of brush and never comes back out and he's gone out of your life. But then the ones we got, no, that's kind of that's not really true. Yeah, So the best opportunities were bocks that were that were so intensely focused on a single dough that they would allow We watch one today that would go twenty minutes not moving his feet and not taking a bite to eat. But just stand there for twenty minutes and watch a dough feed ten twenty yards away from him, and like all that's on his mind is standing there. They like to be a little higher standing, and SE's like they like to be a little teeny bit higher than the dough and just stand there and stare at her. He was a very it was very familiar white tailed behavior in that regard. That seemed like something that makes sense. You saw some number of bucks cruising, which was that first behavior you talked about, just moving around trying to find that dough. And then when a buck did have a doll, sometimes several bucks all trying to be close that doll. But typically there's that one that is with a doll that's ready to breed. You have that lockdown phenomena. And yeah, I mean we all I think saw situations like that. Their patients is kind of amazing or whatever. It is their focus, especially when you get a look at the parasite load on these things. Yeah, they have dozens of per I think if you looked at a patch of their hide three inches by three inch, twenty or so ticks, you look around the bald spot just around their anus, the hairless patch around there, crawling with ticks. They have nasal bots living in the back of their throat that could be the size of like the end of your pinky. Their fore legs are perforated with cactus thorns and all that, and they can stand there staring at a lady. I think we've all been there. I don't. Oh man, that's a lot of stuff. Yeah, focused on the press markets crabs, but you know that bucks thinking the exact same thing we're thinking when we're looking through the spatting scope for the binoculars though, right, He's like, man, if I take my eyes off of her, I may never see her. Yeah, he knows he's gonna lose her. Yeah, it's kind of It's kind of become one of my favorite types of hunting. Those the hunt COO's dear man. I loved every minute, like and never I never had a moment where I was like, God, I hope I filled this tag. It was always like, well, this goes on another day. I'm all right with that. Yeah, what what I think happened with the with the buck you got? The first time I've ever seen it happen with a couisier I think, is uh kind of stumbling into a buck, yes, very much, went up to a glass and knob and then found a buck. Yeah. And you know what's extremely unique about that for me is ah, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've filled my tag before everybody else in camp has filled their tag, like I always mostly by choice, and the last person to fill my tag. It's kind of where I feel more comfortable, I think, mostly from growing up doing the guiding thing. But Steve had purposely walked away without his gun, without more binoculars, and and we saw it. But I wasn't. I wasn't considering myself to be up anyway. Well that doesn't matter, I mean to me, I was thinking in my mind, I was you were up. It helped my decision making so so much because you had your your toilet tree hit in your hand. I was going over to find a rock that I was going to flip over and then do some something, then flip that rock back over on top of it and come back and check on y'all. And I was just it was like the perfect the perfect green light for me because I was like, all right, well this isn't even an argument at this point because my inclination would have been like, Steve, get your gun. No, I would have said no, no, no, no, no, no, I ain't just attest to what an amazing the stealthy crew you get to run around with seven en of us just waltz right up to two yards and they were able to film at all. It's hard to using the hand signals all day and being non verbal and sneaky like that. You spotted him too, didn't you. It's like, as soon I remember, as soon as we got up there, you were like, oh, the eagle. Why do I think we call him the eagle? Dude? You cannot mess with the eagle. Why do you think he gets the work here because he's the eagle. It's not because his sass, it's not. We don't keep him for his sass? What about his What about his shoulders? Yes, the big beefy shoulders helps a lot. His lack of verbosity, um right now, is not helping him. But the eagle. How many words one uses? But um, the eagle is the eagle? Man like a very if you said he gave me a very verbose explanation, be like a little lots there, yeah, lots there, lots there loquacious one that when he does strike, he strikes. Now with Mark's buck, Marks buck, we spotted up some bucks. So that was a non trad CU's dear. That was a non Tradu's deer. That was the first time I've seen that happen. It was the first time in the my buck last year that way. No, yeah, last year last year with John and I John snow and I forgot about last year. M hm, yeah, but I wasn't there, you weren't. So the ones I've been in on, I've never seen a play out where um, it's always played out where you see it far off and then have to do some things to get over and getting to get a crack at it. The ones I've been in on, which is a good handful. Um, it was the first of my scene where we where we actually kind of came on, came upon one Marx was more classic cousier situation. YEA spied him from about a thousand yards and then you have the work downhill and get you know, yards closer. Yeah, first time I ever done anything like that, because I think it's telling Yanni. I've never muled deer, hunted, never cous deer hunted. I've only ever both hunted five percent of the time for white tails, occasionally us a shotgun muzzle loader to shoot the hundred yard shots max. So this is way outside of my ballpark of of experience, and it was all the all the hunting this guy's done. That was the longest shot he's ever taken. Oh yeah, and the longest shot before that was my shot last year on the care Boo. So you guys have stretched and prior to that it was probably nine yards, so you guysn't really stretched me. Um when it comes to firearms. Was just good. But yeah, we spotted that bucket a thousand yards or so and decided that we thought he was a shooter. And uh, Yanni and myself and and Seth went tearing down the hill and went down the steep canyon at about three yards, came up to this little rise at the bottomless valley. There's a small kind of knoll, and we got to the top of that rise shooting up, shooting up, and uh, can I interject real quick? I want to point out an important part of who's your hunt. When you're watching a cou's doing, you're thinking like you're gonna go after it. That's great, you found a buck, you're gonna go after it. But the tricky question is what we're exactly you're gonna go because it doesn't really work. Generally, it doesn't work to get on his slope. You gotta find a little perch or something where you can shoot over into his area, like some kind of train feature where you might plausibly like get there and look into his brushy little zone. You can't get on his his not that you can't, but typically would not work to get on his slope in this bout set up perfectly in that way because you had a little perch, had a shooting shooting shooting up. Yeah, And the other thing that's important to point out. I think that it was a thing I learned from this trip was the importance of before taking making that stock, you really need some reference points locked in as far as where you saw that dear last, because you're gonna lose it. You change perspective, really flips them's around. So so we remember seeing that there's a really thick patch of junipers, especially thick on this hillside, and so we remember I remember seeing the buck in the dough in that on the the right side of that thick patch last. But then it was actually Seth who had made the very most important reference point was the fact that we had last seen the buck and Do next to a tree with a very unique white circle on it. So when we ended up getting back to that shooting knob, we found the thick patch of junipers, and then we could narrow down our point of focus even further by looking for that tree with the white circle on us. So we really could zero it on where they were last, and they were very locked down, like we were talking about earlier, they hadn't moved very much at all, and we had come up with a little We had come up with a very rudimentary signaling system using Yanni's Blaze Orange How to Go to Do Your Bandana UM available at the mediator dot com currently out of stock, I believe, but coming back in stock soon. UM a little signaling system where if need be, like we agreed that if I didn't do anything, that meant nothing had changed into if I can interject, I kind of wished that there was another say know that we had had, which meant we're not trying here. We were getting that from you many times when we looked at you, but we were not sure if you were just doing that because you didn't see us I got bored, or if you were doing it because the deer was still doing what was supposed to do. I got you. So we need some kind of confirmation that you actually saw us and realized that we were asking for the update. There's no update. Yeah, buck hadn't moved, but we need to confirmation. So I'm perched up watching the buck from afar and you're coming in. And our agreement was if I don't do anything, there's nothing you need to know for me. If if not, I was going to take a orange bandin and tied to a pole and uh point from my perspective what direction the deer went on the face of the slope, but never needed to do it. So, you know, I look back at your handful of times and you were doing anything. So the assumption was the deer was still in there, just a dead stair on my face, Yeah, that's what it was. And came up to the top of that first knob, creeped up. Really we crawled to the top of that knob, but it was about three yards I think at that point, and just could not see anything. Just we we We stayed there a good decent bit I don't know, twenty minutes at least, maybe even more glass and glass and glassing, but no movement. Um. So finally we could see that there was still more of that ridge that was hidden by the furthest edge of our glassing knob. There's a slight rise and we just couldn't see beneath that, and so we assumed, then, if this box is still in there, it's got to be beneath the rise. So we had to make a final like seventy yard creep, and finally decided to do that. We crept in, got right to the kind of highest point of that little rise, got down on hands and knees, and and that's when I spotted the dough. It stops glass, see the dough. Um kind of made a game plan for what we're gonna do next. Knew that there must be the buck somewhere nearby. And Um, then I spotted the buck not too far away in the brush like just you know, thick junipers and whatever other junks down there, ok, oak um, And I remember, in the first fleeting glance of him, I remember thinking it doesn't quite look like the buck we saw originally, and they turned to you. I said, I don't know if it's the same buck. It looks like at shorter times. But then he moved off and crawled further and kind of got in position to where I could get a shot in that general are So we got positioned looking for them again, looking for them again, and then I'm like, hey, I got the buck again. I could see this buck standing underneath that exact tree we had referenced earlier, the strange white circle tree. He was right there underneath that tree again in the shade in the tangle. And I just remember saying, hey, there's a buck and arrange him two thirty yards so within range, and uh, I'm looking at him and he's dark handlered, and he's seemed wide ish. I just could not see time length, and I'm thinking to myself, God, I think this buck had longer times we saw earlier. I don't know this bucks in range. Um. I can't remember if we looked back. I think Seth was trying to get a camera on it, and we asked him, like, can you see him? Is he look Is it that buck? And he's he's like, I just shoot it. If it was me, and everything was kind of lined up. You know, it worked out well for the crew with the audience seth were there and it was my first cuse deer buck and pretty sweet. So I got settled on him, and like you know, like you mentioned earlier, that was my longest shot ever on a on an animal. So I took my time getting really settled in nicely and had a bipod on the rifles set in my backpack and put a patternneath my right elbow and just slowed it down as best as I could. Um took the shot well as funny as I was watching the other buck through a spot and scope on a pretty narrow well, we haven't yet pointed out the fact that this was not the original It doesn't matter, which is funny that I was, Yeah, okay, so go on. Well yeah, so the point being that the buck I end up shooting was not the original one was not what was not the one I was watching to see what it would do. But I'm staring at it through a spotting scope, the one that we had always been looking at, and I hear a shot and all of a sudden, the bark runs into my field of view and through my spotting scope and within a second falls over dead right in front of the buck I've been watching for all that time, and that buck seemed to not care about that at all. But then she got like, yo, he had kind of had an attitude like that bettered him to me. And then he went up and over top of the ridge and out of our lives. I don't know how we never saw that other buck, because you said it was so close, right, I can't see anything, man, confusing. We talked about when he grunted right beneath us there yet all kinds of weird stuff happened, but we couldn't see him. But just because he was like the same reason we couldn't see the other deer before we moved. I think it was just below, yeah, the plane that we could see. Yeah. I feel bad too, man, because I was so badly wanted to help out and like look and stuff, but I was running a camera and I'm always so torn, and I always rather just throw that camera in the ditch, just glass and be like there he is, don't you shoot whatever, But man, I gotta sit there and try to get my coverage. It's tough, man. You did good work. Well. We don't know. Yeah, we'll see. I guess that's Mark's hunt might and be included in the episode. We'll see. It was the first the first hunt you filmed. No, no, how long has it been since you a little bit? This fault hunt? Yeah with Mark? Actually was that with you? That was you? And I oh yeah yeah, and then uh, I do a little bit here and there, and I think he did another one. You pick up a camera pretty often, but I feel you on the like not being able to look and see what's going on. I mean, and I want, I often want to see what's happening, but I'm I'm just stuck in the lens of my camera, like I'm not I don't see where the animal is. I don't get to pull out my binoculars. So it's all like almost imaginary. Everybody's really excited about something I'm not looking at. I'm like looking in the opposite direction, dude. But this trip, I was like, normally I'm like super super excited to shoot, and I was you had to film Yeah, good clarification, m But like normally we'll film as every like hunter is getting into getting settled and pulling out their binoculars, and I just wanted that part to get done so then I could sit down, put out my binoculars and start looking around. You spot it up a couple of deer, Yeah, I'll get a lot better. Yeah, but a lot yeah more on this trip and Sid he still had mama's milk on your lip when we picked you up, dude, the first thing talking about that today, nice old game spotter. Uh yeah. The buck I got was kind of like real standard sort of who's deer situation? There was. I think there's a good example in there though, because I was thinking about it because um the terrain, Um, your buck was locked lockdown when we took off. But we did a lot of walking and sneaking and trying to get around for for quite a while. Yeah. You go way the hell out of your way to try to eventually wind up in a spot where you're in his zone without him knowing you got into his zone. Yeah, and and really didn't shave off, you know. I think I arranged him before when we made the decision to go, and it was like five hundred and eighty four yards and then twenty minutes of hiking around and sneaking, we were at five hundred and forty four yards. Like we just we did a lot of moving around to try to get to a spot where we could close distance. And then um and we weren't. We weren't effectively narrowing down that yardage. And then once we got in there, um it. You know, it was a great stock, great hunt because there's always that apprehension of like, oh man, this this cannot work out, this cannot work out because of the angle. Once we in order to it was that yard is down to a comfortable shooting situation. Um it made the angle to the buck very difficult, made it a very difficult killing situation, even though it was within effective range. And this is kind of for a lack of a glass of a shooting knob, right, I bet you found a shooting nob. Though we had to poke and pride to find a knob. They would let you look up into his little spot there. There's a lot going on with there too. At one point you guys had KU's deer, have len and a coyote. Yeah, me and Seth were we stuck back and glassed from the original distance. And yeah, that that buck the unit up shooting was locked down with the doll. Four other bucks were kind of circling trying to move in on that doll, and it was pretty cool as that year buck would run one of those bucks off, run off thirty forty yards and then storm right back to the doll, make sure she was still there, and then he'd run off with the buck run right back. Um, and then you have have linings came passing right through, maybe twenty yards beneath at one point, right around the same time the coyote trolled through in that buck stated right next to the dough. They you can see all the deer, just their eyes following that coyote the whole path he took, and then he left and then it was right back to the doll. It's kind of a fun little wildlife watching situation I had there while you were talking in it's amazing that at least I won't see that footage until who knows long time from now. Yeah, and then you'll be like, oh, that's right, that was cool a couple of months now. I always like it's fun to have that stuff. Um, people be like, hey, did you take in your any photos from your trip? Like I took a TV show on my trip, must be nice. That was a very fun hunt, though, that was a good one. Who wants to be in charge of talk about how you make tomorle hold on? Aren't you guys say about tell everybody how you got to shoot my buck for me too? You go ahead and tell that story. You just not like say anything you call go ahead. It's hard to say things. It's tired. Everybody's I'm looking looking a lot of it's just a lot of other folks talking um. But no. After Steve shot his buck, Steve and Chris walked up the hill to go retrieve it, find it, recover it, and uh, callen ire waiting down there, and I forget did you just look up and go, oh, there's another buck standing out there? It was it was just locked in place, but did you see it? There was chasing the dough, two bucks chasing that dough. And then yeah, and then I another buck like bombed in and they eventually chased the dough and right through where your buck expired. Steve's buck expired, and I was kind of like, oh my god, hopefully one of these dear isn't Steve's buck that just magically got up and ran away. But yeah, then that buck was down there in the peripheral view. He just showed up. I don't know. A woman in the market spotted him earlier in the same buck. Anyways, he standing in there looking down at us and in our from what from our point of view, it looks like he's thirty yards to the left of Chris and Steve and you guys are up there making television. So Steve's not talking in a quiet voice. He's doing his thing, recovering the animal. And uh, finally you guys get done doing what you're doing, and Steve yelling is yelling down on us like, hey, come on up here. You weren't what were you yelling on the side of we did we got a whoop or something like that? Yeah, you got our attention. Okay, well a voice from up did I have occasion to go? Who not? Typically not time. I do remember cal you up. You guys might have heard us talking, because when you're like, when we were up there, you could we were projecting pretty loud going Probably not whoop. I don't remember a whoop, but he that might have been me. Actually, hey, it might have been me. All of a sudden, you guys, are you guys recovered? Recovered? You made a little tide a little scene and then and then, and then I remember hearing cal being like, hey, can you guys take a couple of steps to your left or whatever, to the north or whatever? You said, go north? I went south. Yeah, go north. We went the robe specified a hundred yards and started yelling because you guys didn't have a radio, We just started yelling, we have a bucket two some yards. You guys are t hundred yards and yards from the buck and we're going, hey, can you move a couple hundred yards to our right? And you yell back why, We're like, well, there's a deer up there. Ya. He's gonna shoot him if you guys can walk like way to hell off of that slope. So that's so we did. You guys didn't, and the bucks stood there through the whole thing. Conversation is like, well, boy, it's nice buck, it's right there. This would be you know, we only have so much time to uh, you know, fill the tag. And it's like, well, if I just yell at those guys and he stays there, kind of kind of gotta take him, right, Yeah, we figured be worth a try, right. We figured since we started yelling, you know, the buck would just scatter leave the hill. But it's hard to imagine what was what was going on with him. Yeah, I think that dough was just he knew he was the second biggest buck on the slope. It was batter up time for him because the first biggest buck was out of the equation and those two smaller bucks were now chasing that dough. But you and Pounder, we're in between him and that dough. And he was like, really, he found himself in a very contemplative situation. He did not move a muscle. No, no, it isn't really interesting though, I've never seen this before. Obviously, since I've never been in a situation like this. We were watching someone shooting an animal from a DC and bit away, but we I was glassing this whole thing, watching it through my binose and both with your bucks, Steve and Janice. I saw the deer react to the bullet before I heard the gunshot go off. That was pretty interesting. Yeah, that was cool. I was like, oh, what's he doing and then boom, yes that yeah, yeah, they're just still over. Well, neither of them fell over. Yeah, my shot wasn't quite on the mark, missed him just the hair right. I couldn't tell you. I shouldn't tell what went on in there, man, because one shoulder was completely just annihilated to the point where I didn't even bother trying to trim me. Well, we took the shank, that's how much was good at It was still, you know, edible, and there was a hole going into the body cavity on the inside of that shoulder. But anyways, the thing wasn't quite ready to die. So Steve walked over to it and UH had to sort of run it down, chasing downhill. Yeah, finally got one in its neck, killed it. Dream one's ready to talk about Tomores. I like that Gray Fox. Oh that was cool. Fox Like, I like asking the boys up down here about running the jaguars, which happens. Yes, yes, it does happen. Jay said, we would have probably seen the mountain lion that didn't end up happening. I didn't see mountainlin I didn't even cut a track. Yeah, I saw one maybe kind of mushed track of a line. The impression these guys run these cats like if they hear of a cat, one of these uh Vakiras sees one sees a track or something that whoever they know what dogs is gonna run that thing. They got a stuffed one here, kind of I don't know if you call that even a stuff one, but very like Bay, it's an attempt at tax during we have a lion outside there. Um Yeah, to Molly's. So we made so today we made venison to Molly's yesterday and today with guidance from Carolina. Yes, uh, we took four shoulders for chunking neck. And keep in mind accou'sti your buck only ways. He's like, you know, hun pounds and these things are lean, unreal lean gen right now, man, they look like greyhounds because they've been rutting for a while. I think they must have. I think we're kind of towards the tail end of the They got no fat on him. Imagine taking a rolling pan and smashing out a chunk of Wrigley spearmint and gum and laying it out, smoothing it out flat. That piece of gum that is now flat after it's been chewed a little bit around. No, I'm saying, right out of the rapper and just smashed that thing out. That's how much fat my buck hat on it. I was amazed, you know, the fat. They get around like inside their pelvis like a kidney fat and stuff. A couple of little mini globs of fat there, you know, in the lower like in the lower digestive like outside of the lower digestive digestive track, you'll find like some fat. He had some fat there, some fat around his kidneys. Nobody fat the one I got, the one we skinned out. Were you skinned with me? Yea in between the anus and like the end of the tender one right there. Get some fat there, but nothing on the top of his not lick. And when they're landed, they look like it's like it's looks like a greyhound land there. Yeah, just amazed. Just man. They work hard. They don't eat. The bucks don't eat when they're rutting. I was worried the beat was gonna taste that good. I was. I was. I thought for sure it'd be tougher in hell, like a poor condition or something. But oh, go ahead, Well, I was gonna add. I believe I'm right on this number. That white tail deer up in my neck of the woods. The number that I heard is that a bucked her in the rut up there can lose up to thirty of their body weight, no ship who somewhere in there give a take. That's amazing. That's like me hunting doll sheet. How much you lost? Uh? So we took four full front quarters, so four front legs, boned out neck meat. What else were throwing there? We'll cook some tongue the night before, real crispy little tongue, little crispers. What would you call those? I think just cilantro, white onion and a bunch of lime in there, like tongue cracklings. That's a different meal. But we took uh, four deer quarters neck meat, and then Carolina boiled it in a pot for six hours until the bones come out of the pot just clean. Yeah. She put a couple of heads of gar like putter, and we picked all that meat. Didn't take long at all, picked all that meat, picked out, there's no fat to pick out, barely to speak of, picked out the sinew. It wound up with two big imagine like a big gass salad bowl. Household big gass salad bowl. Two of those full of pick meat. And then we had all that picked and then we took the boil the corn. It's like boiled corn. Yeah, so it's bloated. It's yeah, yeah, it's it's soaked up a bunch of water. That's what they call homony, right, yeah, yeah, except for this isn't harmony is a part of the kernel. The harmony is a part of a kernel, that's right. And but so this isn't like a ruptured This hasn't been soaking in water long enough to where the kernel is split. It's it's just the whole. Just to imagine, like a bloated corn kernel ran up through a grinder looks like a meat grinder. Like at a passing glance, you think you look at a meat grinder, But it's these two plates that that mashed together, and the auger runs the corn out and you just mash and it winds up being like a wet corn meal. Yes, then you take all that meat juice that you use for boiling down the meat and wetton what that even more, put in a tunnel lard, healthy dose, put in salt, put in way more chili potter than you'd ever think you'd put in there, and blend that batter all up. Got a part. Then you take your button eat and so you got your pick meat. You take a pot and you melt all your lard in the pot and put garlic and onion in that pot and cook it and then discard the onion, which I thought was interesting. Then put all the meat in, put in buck meat, water, chili powder, lard, and make chili colorado again, a lot of chili powder. So you gotta pot that's got chili colorado. And then you gotta pop that's got your mashed up corn meal. Then you take corn husks, soaked those in warm water so they repliable, and you lay out the corn husk, and you take a spoon and put a big healthy doll up of the batter the corn meal bat around there and spread it all around. Then you take the chili colorado and lay it in there like you're laying a hot dog on a bun, and you roll it up folded, real special, and then you stack them into a pot and steam them. Man, those suns bitches good. Yeah, that was good. How many do we make? Good? A lot? About seventy seventy two Molly's and had left over meat? Or do we use all of our meat? That's right deep fried up? Jimmy Chong? Did that use up all the meat? No? No, really, there's a lot still more. Yeah, Caroline has probably taking five to ten pounds on them of the chili colorado, just the meat, the piston, just the shred of meat. You know. That's what's always tough on the tomaw as your ratio of the um my ease is it my man to Folks call it corn or massa uh to to the meat, you know, um, because you always feel like you're stung if you get nothing but the but the asa. Um. So they don't. They don't use up as much carna as you think. Um. But holy yeah. And I went round to this evening with several of us. Get yeah, when you cross the border back in the US, you can you take your meat home. You can take your meat home on the bone. You can take it home off the bone. What you can't, but you gotta clean that. If you want to bring a skull back, you gotta bring the skull back clean. You can't bring a skull across it's not clean, So you gotta boil it and clean it. The meat can go across on the bone. We're gonna bring our Tamali's across, no problem. The tricky part is bringing You can't bring a hide, not that you can't remember all talking about all those ticks. If you want to travel back in the US and bring a cape, like you want to get the deer mounted, you need to get it that every single tick on that cape is gone, and the customs people will check that thing they find a tick, you're back across the border. That seems impossible, but I think most of Jay's clients a cross with their capes. Just get there and pick all them ticks. Yeah haven't haven't picked Give someone twenty to pick ticks. You think it's a high percentage. Evacuate the cape once that animals been dead for a while. Sure that happens a little bit. Yeah, maybe if they haven't attached themselves yet. But I think most of the ones I saw are so bloated they're not going anywhere. I think a trick is to freeze them for a little while, make them real cold, you know, and then maybe they come off easier or something. But you've got to go through there. Literally what they find tooth comb and a pair of tweezers for a couple of hours. I've seen a pint and jar full after one okape, someone filled a pint jar with ticks. That's cool, uh man, I would never I mean, you know, nothing against anyone that does. Just personally, I would never mess with that. Just bring to school home, set it on a school shelf. So what else we have to do ni, because we still have to do that tonight. As far as like being legal beagle going across the border with they're just in paperwork. We get to fill out that says what we're bringing across, how much meat? And there is a tag. Yeah, you put a tag on the andlers. Is that just a customs tag or is that like an actual like game agency tag. Yeah, it comes from the Mexican government. Really okay tag. But then the US guys will check it. And when they asked to inspect our meat, let's pull out our tamali's. Yeah. Like right, dear boy, be like I counted those sens of bit Yeah, that should be about it. But I was gonna say, yeah, that Carolina man that helped us make these tamales. Uh. That's something that Jay set up to you know, That's something I think that anybody can get that comes down here and doesn't huntle with Jay is you can just request that he uh um gets you a cook. So for a very affordable price. We ate some like super good authentic Mexican food. Not every night. We brought a lot of our own food, but I think she cooked her own, like recipes. What three nights? What else do we have? How many tortosado? We had Italian one night and I put a tortilla in it and I brought down I brought down um some fish jack and she cooked that fish for ut treo trees or trees on eggs. Yeah, she made it hunt rids of tortillas. So and she made a big pot of which was amazing, feel like good soup. And what else? We have Chili colorado the first night? The trees though, which is really good dinner and breakfast Papa yes, which is the same on both sides of the border. Yeah, but there's some different. Yeah. I think that's the fire. She fried him over a huge fire outside. Well, okay, the fried potatoes fire fried potatoes. But that was great because it really lets us to focus on the hunting and the production. Yeah, really was. Oh my gosh. I was like, why are we getting to bed so early? And it was because somebody was here getting food ready by the time I got back. And you'll be able to you'll be able to watch and see we filmed it, and I presumably filmed beautifully. Dude. Yeah, the kind of beautiful process of making to Molly's. Yeah, to Molly production. It was a nice scene. You could do it in a day, but it took to It's something it really should be done over two days. Yeah. Yeah, and we did it, uh like an outdoor kitchen area over wood fire, a lot of it. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's just I can't wait to put I think it's gonna be a really cool scene. Man, It's gonna be really cool scene. Karlyn is awesome, even though she didn't say much. She's kind of like a cool like Grandma style guide passing on the knowledge of to Molly making, which is good laborers. I think he appreciated it. Yeah, she gave you the unskilled are laughing at us? Yeah, all right, couple. Yeah. I had a long time ago, had a bunch of musk ox meat and gave musk ox meat to a Guatemalan woman. And our deal that we struck was I would get half my musk ox meat back into Molly's, which is a good deal because you wanted to getting a bigger pile of stuff back then you gave like I gave her like I think I gave her like twenty pounds of musk ox meat and I got ten pounds, which is a ton of to Molly's ten pounds meat. And I had wrapped them all up and wrapped them all up and put in my freezer and I just pull thettle suckers out and eat them. They were good, even frozen, even you know, frozen, thawed and warmed up, We're wonderful. What's the best way to warm it to Molly? Like reheat it to Molly. I feel like what I was doing, if I remember, I feel like I was sticking them in my oven. Mm. Well, I don't think I was micro and him. I think I was throwing him in my oven. I wrapped him in foil, yeah, or just steam him again? Did we steam him? Yeah? That's gonna be yeah, office, I might even have to have another one before I go to bed. I'll do it. I'll do oh yeah, night. Yeah. All right, Well, Rick, what's your um? You know your clothing? Thought? Your concluded? All right? You can go back to you can go back to luring in ladies. No, No, this is that drone. No, is that how much fun we had on the mountain. I mean, it's been a while since I've worked on one of these, uh one of the shows. I was busy this fall, so I sadly didn't get to go on any of the adventures. I missed out on a fog nack happily. Um. But the first hunt I filmed it was Accous deer Hunt with Remy Warren. That was your first foray into film and hunts. Yep, yep, it was yeah, like I've never done it, and I thought it sounds like it would be a good experience, But I didn't realize that it would be. It would be such a something that I look forward to, you know, regard it as lowly No, it's actually I think it's kind of in a lot of ways. It's like everything that I like about filmmaking distilled into a very pure form. Does it does it because because you come out of nature documentaries and whatnot? Does it mean those dudes frown on you? Does that community frown on you because you go out? I don't know, do the savagery I don't. I don't really check in. You don't you know what? They don't care about their opinion on it. No, No, I mean, yeah, I I feel like I'm more a part of just a filmmaking or documentary community. And then I have a niche, but I jump, I do a lot of different things. But I feel that it's it's just a challenging thing to do to to document these hunts in a way that conveys the aesthetic, the narrative, everything you guys feel about the hunt. So there's just a lot of complicated factors and you just have to hike, hike and keep up. So which I enjoy, I mean compared to a lot of the jobs I'm on. You know, if you're in hotels or you just feel pretty bad at the end of every day, Like, yeah, you feel bad. And at the end of these days you might feel tired, but you feel like, I don't know, if you feel like super Yeah, more like you're on vacation than you're at work. Dude. The other day, we did sorry, we did the we did a hunt, successful hunt, came back, did push up, little lunch break club, the Hondo Club. Everybody got to a Hondo and then we went back out for an evening hunt, hiking all around. Yeah, and then if yeah, you feel better at the end. I mean we're going to tu dear, just the whole, the whole deal. I mean, accuse, you're easily one of my favorite animals to watch, or at least it's my favorite hunt that I've filmed. I just really liked the process glass and it's very there's a lot of patients involved. Yeah, I'm just I was. I was happy to get to come back, and it's this is my third goose deer hunt. So we're filming, you know which, but I feel like I'm part of the part of the hunt itself. So um, yeah, it was great. I really I really liked the just visually, Uh, this part of Mexico is really beautiful and different than I thought. Uh every morning and every evening you get just the yeah, great light really now a lot of lots and everything spiny, really cool plat, I mean, everything's cool about it. Yeah. So we're glad you had fun, right, Yeah, I like coming along. Thanks. Thanks, And I mean and Cal. You know, I got to hang out with Cal most of the time, and he brought him coffee every day, so I've always had a warm cup. I mean it just treats me. I mean in a lot of ways. It's like it's a it's the relationship between a cameraman and whoever they're filming. It's this interesting dynamic, but especially in a situation like this where I really am a I'm non hunter, I don't really know what I'm like, I'm not expert. I've you know, I try. I do my best. But having Cal being like, all right, we're gonna do this, he's very patient, like explains the process or and he does it both on camera to the potential viewer but also to me, So I think he um, I just really enjoy kind of being able to hang out with somebody that it's kind of guiding me through the process and hopefully that translates to good TV. Two. Uh and you know takes the viewer along for a ride. But I enjoyed one around with Cal out there. Actually mostly we just sat stared and you spotted some deer, very few. I felt bad. I tried hard, but I didn't have a tripod for my It was great. It's super fun. Yeah, dude, I feel bad too every day we're not spotting there here. Yeah, you know, they're there, that's what it's not. Yeah, they were there and I'm just mitten not seeing them. But I know what I'm saying is you're not alone. Even after a dozen of you guys are good at it, I still feel that way. Yeah, But I did like when you guys couldn't amongst one another, because it happens to tell us, because we just don't spend that much time behind binoculars, or maybe as much time. Is when you couldn't find the animal that somebody else sees, it gives me. It's not it doesn't give me pleasure, but because I often feel that, like somebody else sees something, I'm like, I just can I don't know where you're looking. You could explain very clearly where it should be, and you just can't see it. What's what's happening there? A lot of times the one that sees it catches the movement, yeah, or catches it out in the open, right, and so then they got a lock on it, and then it moves into a shitty spot yeah, and then other people, like the original finder, it gets to the spot where the original finder wouldn't be able to find it either if they didn't already know it was there, and then it gets really frustrating. Yeah, But didn't happen to me, But you thought what I'm saying because you want to be like, well, okay, but he's kind of behind that bush and you look, you'll see his foot sticking out. It just something about once you notice something, it becomes visually more obvious than But I like seeing that dynamic unfold because you guys are all very good at spotting things, and so when you get frustrated and not being able to But I think you're specifically talking about because I feel that way. Talking in Yeah, talking in the whole process is just like I regard that as um, this is this is gonna sound bold, but I think that uh, I regret that as one of my specialties talking people, I feel that I'm I I feel that I do a pretty good job of trying to talk people into where I'm looking. You know why, because I take the time. I take the time. I think Cal uh does some big leaps. He doesn't walk you through every tree. I'm like, okay, and then there's that tree, and then if you immediately go, then there's that tree. And then if you go six o'clock from him, there's that bush. Cal's like, oh and over one thing I would do more consistently. Is the is your o' clock method? O'clock is the only way to play if you don't run, if you're not running, center o' clock. To describe what we're talking about, you see some they try and tell people where it is. So I will I go to like a feature that everyone would agree with start with, and it could be anywhere. To start with something that everyone could agree with, like that big, huge rocky peak and people like got it, and then work from there. Okay, it's a good meth go towards seven o'clock. From there until you have an unfair advantage because you're such a you know, a natural teacher and a patient. That does help. It does help, no frustration, mark what you got. If you had to take the whole like one thing, one thing from the whole thing, what would that one thing be that has to be my concluder. Yeah, it's kind of like the spirit of concluders are you could come out of the left field. I don't know what you can talk about, Rick whatever, Well, well, my one thing is is kind of it's it's kind of two part I guess because the one thing that struck me the most about this what was so cool was the the taking of something that's so familiar to me and that I'm so passionate about, white tail deer, so known to me, and then throwing that into a situation in a landscape so unknown to me. So seeing this this my my my favorite game animal, without of doubt, white tail deer here in place that's so foreign, um and new. Was was a lot of fun. Everything was new about this, not just the place, but also as we talked about, you know, this type of hunt. Um, So that was really really fun, really interesting. Um. But what it did leave me with was a desire to go back to a little bit of the familiar, which was I wanted to be closer to these animals. Like one of the things I love about hunting white tails back home is being yards from them and hearing them and being afraid to move or make the slightest sound, different things like that. So coming out of this, I think the biggest thing I'm taking away is is how awesome it was and how I want to try to bow hunt one of these suckers someday People do it. Yeah, just just feel like an entirely different approach. Yeah, it would be so different, so difficult, but like this kind of leaves me charged with wanting to try that someday because it would just be neat to try to figure out some way to slip in really close to one. I think you'd want to get into a situation where you had a buck, you had like a like a some of that running activity where you got a doll and there's bucks chasing around, and just get down on that zone and see what happens. Yeah, I think it's I mean, like you said, certainly the wind getting that zone and then just kind of try to just wait and see what opportunities or if he moves. Yeah, you've spent a lot of time having no idea where they were because you're on their slope with them. Yeah, and you might hear something, but it would be tricky. But I mean, I don't you know people do it. Yeah. Well, it's like you know, the other day, after I shot my buck, you came up and we had seen this other deer, and then all of a sudden we heard the deer grunting and he came right by us. I mean, he must have been within yards probably, but you can never see him. He was downslope enough and that the brush was tall enough and he was small enough probably that right there, probably within bow range, no idea that where it was. Yeah, I had a bucket ten yards. We had to be jumping over a road going. He had a dainty, little bad it's a little little guy grunt. Yeah, but so cool. And I just really appreciate you guys having me along. I mean, this is like a once in a lifetime opportunity probably for for me or a lot of people. And man, I enjoyed its man something of it. Yeah, hand has my kids call him Cahan, Hey Cahan. Yeah, just a phenomenal trip, I guess. Observations just the um, the scale, like the grass isn't abnormally tall, the the deer just short, like it's knee high grass. Um. And I had I definitely had a hard time like making my brain put these these deer at the proper scale over and over again. Um. And they're gorgeous creators. Um. Really really had a good time. Really enjoyed the terrain, real ankle breaking hills out here though, like all that loose rock round rolling loose rock. Um U. I gotta see a coati which was pretty hilarious. And that that was a good Rick Smith we were hiking up the road and he's like, oh, you know, I think this, uh this poop here's a from a quality. Well, so there's a couple that different ways to pronounce it. I don't want to hash it out, go ahead anyway, It's like a souped up raccoon monkey exactly, yes, thank you. And uh. I was like, oh yeah, you know, I saw one of those down on the yuk tan on on the side of the road one time. You see them out. They come out at night digging, like looking around beach or shellfish and really cool. And uh, you know, later on that day, we're sitting on this ridge, um getting out smarted by these cus deer bucks and I stand up and look and uh, Rick was, you know, always a tent of like Rick always was. So he was locked in those binoculars down on the ground and I was like, oh my god, like Rick, you're and I couldn't remember the name, so I'm like, you know, Mexican bush monkey, Rick, get up. Um. So that was super fun. It's just a great trip on all of it, just odd observations. At this point, I'm getting kind of tired. But the meat was fantastic. People were fantastic. I love the the the pace of life. And and uh, Beto and Carolina down here, we're huge parts of the trip. Carolina um and uh yeah, stellar crew. You know, one thing that I always love about running around the woods with photographer types is the fact they they like to notice. It's their job to notice. Also, like all the all the good extra stuff. You know, it's not just the deer, it's the sunrises, the sunsets, the big thorns, the um, the bonus critters um and uh, that's really enjoyable, rich powder, Viva Mexico. Bro, that's all I gotta say. Loving it, loving it. Sunsets, I mean it's fine, man. Yeah, you'd like filming that sunset, dude. Sunsets down here. We're big throbbing drowner dude. Spiritual awakenings in those things. Man, they're crazy. It's cool. It's really cool down here. Johnny's I think that's what they called you at the border. Johnny's something like that. No, actually, I think that the guy at the ID wanna we got our tourists visa. I think he actually pronounced it properly. No, man, I was standing there waiting for him to pronounce it. Because I was excited about what would happen, he said. Johnny's mhm, yeah, anyway, I thought you did a better job than normal. Uh. Yeah, I love cus here. What I like about it when I always leave, I like the fact that I still feel like a real beginner at this thing and um hunting them and uh it's great to have a a quarry out there that I'm unfamiliar with, and that every time I come down for a hunt of like, I feel really uh like like the odds are against me. We see a lot of little box I think if you just didn't care, you know, what kind of buck you're gonna shoot, then I wouldn't feel that way because you probably could get that done in a couple of days. But if you set out to shoot something that's you know whatever, a little bit bigger than average, older than average, however you want to put it, it's uh, it's a real challenge and it's um not easy to do. And I like that. Yeah. I like that, like being uh just to be just a beginner. It is the kind of thing where you're you're thinking, like, oh man, next year, I'm gonna because it since you never feel like you gotta totally figured out. Yeah, I think we stayed down here for two more weeks and guided you know, four guys piece. That would add up pretty quick. Yeah, week at a time here and there, and yeah, don't great, it's instantly addicting. My favorite part of the trip was honestly making the watching the tomall He's get made. That was great. Yeah, because it's like, you know, you'd counter people in life, um that you're just not that that you know, you don't really know what their trip is, right, and they don't understand, like you don't really understand the details of their life, and you don't and you don't understand the details of their life, and you're probably not even equipped to understand the details of one another's lives. And then the language barrier makes it even that that you're especially not gonna understand the details of each other's lives. Um. But it was like an empathy there, like like a human empathy or desire to connect. And it's just cool to be able to spend a bunch of time with someone and like learn some food preparation like that, and and it winds up being that you get you just get the sense that like people are enjoying themselves and and feeling not entirely different, you know. And and that's the kind of thing, like, you know, to be in a situation where you've it's a strange relationship to have with someone, um, to make someone that you don't know and you you're you're down filming and so you hire someone to do some cooking for you, um, and you can't talk really that that that well, it's just an unusual relationship, right, It's like it's a relationship that that tends to make me like that kind of relationship makes me uncomfortableoks. I feel like there's somehow like an unequal footing in some way. Um. But then to be able to hang out today doing that and watch someone do something and and and uh like do it well and do it very beautifully. I thought it was cool. It was a nice I mean, I love the hunting. You know, the hunting is great. Um, you know, come back many times to do it. We're already talking about come back next year. But like those little connection points I think are pretty cool. It would have been a completely different trip without that, yeah, just would have been and kind of her relationship to you know, attitude about dear meat. It's a coveted thing. Yeah, you know it was awesome. It was fun to watch. Man. Then just like the no measuring cups, just everything by just eye of ball, just like haven't done it and done it and done it and done it and done it and then um, a pair of hands that have seen a tremendous amount of work, not specialized work work. Yeah, like work work. Yeah, m hands like that don't just happen. No. I like looking at all the guys, everybody's hands, they're all worth like a lot of time. Yeah, it's good man. It sets your head right. Some trips kind of set your head right. You know, it's fun, all right, thanks for listening.