00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is a me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything. Whatever state you guys are from. Are you from the west or east side of the state? West? West side? Where I'm from, like where I grew up? The state you were born? And I don't even care what it is east the east and you were born no kind of you're right dead nuts. No, we're not not even kind of. So you think you're West Michigan. Southwest Michigan. Yeah, that's what we call it. I'm not tew talking about. I'm not talking about I'm not talking about latitude. Sure, but when someone says where is Countazoo Michigan, I say Southwest Michigan. I don't know about that. Oh my god, get a map out. Oh I know where it is. I just don't know if it has the West Michigan sensibility. The reason I bringing this up is because now we talked about how you guys didn't grow up flipping off your buddies as a way to say hi. No, okay, because hear me out. Have you ever met anybody else's said check out, check this out? What brought up the conversation about the Michigan hello, which is the middle finger is we're talking about the Some guy was saying, man, you should like it's bad to say mugs. And this guy had to be Australian because we just use mugs like hey friend, you know friend. Oh, Um, it's more like hey friend. Oh where it's like friend with a little little chab in there. Um you say, oh, it's horrible thing to say. And so we're looking up like what mugs means in different places. I think it means something kind of awful in Australia. And in this discussion, one guy wrote in to say that man, I would never take any advice from people in Australia and Australia they call their their Michigan hello or they're mugs. Is to call everybody the Queen Mother of all swear words, the sea word. That's right. One day my little boy made a list of all the naughty words he knew. He's public school kid, made a list on a board on a plank out in the garage with a sharpie, a list of all the naughty words you knew. And I said, you know what, you almost got them off, but there's one I will never tell you. I'm dying to know what it is. He even knows what letter it starts with, but I will I will never divulge. They use that word as a salutation. So this other guy was saying, Plus, you know, he brought up like swearing allegiance to the crown. He brought up all kinds of reasons why he wouldn't take advice from an Australian about how to speak to people. But and talking about the middle finger. It turns out that we get a letter from a guy who cleared like just without any prompt and clarified that he's from western Wisconsin. And then we got a guy who wrote in about the middle finger, and he clarified these from Western Wyoming. So I was wondering if in every state there's this weird phenomena where in every phenomenon where in every state people that live in the west half of that state flip people flip their friends off as a way to say hi. This guy in western Wisconsin that was so prevalent. He said that if his buddy didn't flip him off when he's driving by, he thinks something was wrong. It was pretty prevalent the guy must be mad at him. Yeah, Western Washington. I mean maybe it was just my jackass friends, but I feel like that was completely ubiquitous. Yeah. Another thing about the bird. The guy from Western Wyoming said, we really differentiated between putting your thumb out or not, and like you might put your thumb out and give the bird to your body and it was kind of like the exclamation point on it. Yeah, it was like it meant something different. He said, It's like the old man bird, which had your thumb in. He was saying he got in the habit of doing it so much that one day he flipped this old man off and it's ma whooped him. So she wasn't she was from the eastern part of her state. I didn't realize. Uh. Guy rode in this is this is kind of like it's kind of a moot point now. But a dude wrote in being like man Um he's talking about Secretary Zinkie leaving, leaving his position, and he's saying, oh, you know, you never got it right, and you handled Zinky with kids gloves. I don't want to dwell on this. I'm just gonna say, dude, wait and see his replacement. And then come tell me that I handled zinky with kids gloves. You'll be looking back at the good old days real soon. Perhaps, Um guy rode in to say that this year, no then in Mississippi, remember talking about you don't even talking a lot about whether people can actually like tell how old bucks are mm hmm and letting bucks walk and all that kind of stuff. When we're talking with Mark Kenyon, he wrote in that, Um, we're talking about like it like growing up in Michigan, like no one ever shot everybody always just shot spikes and four keys every buck. What are you saying, like in Mississippi, it's he says, it's a different He's been a different situation down there. This is the old day that this is two fifteen in Mississippi. Seventy four percent of the bucks killed in Mississippi were aged. Was like, that's not you guessing they were aged at three and a half years and older. Four per cent of the bucks for you numb schools. Three quarters of the almost three quarters of the bucks in Mississippi three and it are like borderline like mature bucks three and a half and older. Dude, man, that's like a way different than a lot of places. Changing all the time. Well we think it's way different, But do we have that kind of data from other places? I would love to go find it. I would love to go find Like when I was a youngster, I would love to go find here did I shoot? When did I shoot my first buck? Like back in the mid eighties, right, I would love to know when I was just like a teen, like a young teenager entering into my teens. I would love to know. And in those in that collection of counties or statewide in general, I would say there was seventy I was the opposite. I would say it was seventy five. And this is just me pulling this out of the out of thin air. But a bet se, we're one and a half. We're just spike some you know, fok spikes a little six is. We thought a big buck was just a year and a half old. It had a bigger because they'll throw an eight point rack, you know, they'll throw in Michigan eight. So we cut that was a big buck. But maybe you were being full to then maybe there was basket racks sixes and eight that were actually three and a half years old. Genetics run into playing those. Yeah, No, I don't think so, But how can I really defend my position because I don't have any the materials out there. I was just looking at a sweet collection of maps that are Dude sent in. That was um it was going back into the niesties forties and showing what parts of the state of Michigan were opened and closed for deer hunting. Mm hmm. And there was big periods of time, like you know, when all the animals got wiped out, this big periods of time would we'd only be like a little block of the state open, like they'd have a deer season. The entire southern third of the state would be closed to your hunting, and it would just, you know, every year they'd be like it just bounced around as they were trying to recover. Dear, you look at something very similar in your own lifetime if you went and looked at turkey. Yeah, how turkey seasons filled in as turkeys were recovered. Uh. Guy roning about this, You guys ever hear this that there's a I don't know if this is true. He says, there's a cover scent that basically functions like vix vapor rub. When you were a little kid, with you my rub vix vapor vapor rub on your chest. Yeah, so you'd get like it's like waffed up. He says, there's a cover cent that's like mental and it's just meant to throw off a deer's ability to know what's going on. Man, I've heard of stuff like that, and I just don't really end up giving much credence to pretty much anything. The deer roles and he's like, whoa, bro, I can't spell anything. It's just it's just like swamping their senses. I mean, maybe there's something that you haven't heard of this. I've heard of all sorts of stuff like that, and I don't think I really even register most Most of it is that the stuff that's supposed to smell like cookies or whatever. No, he said it smells like men. Though he's asking me or us right what we think of it. I don't even know enough about it. I wish Mark Kenny was here, yea one. You know, if you're listening right now, send your question to Wired to Hunt. Dude, you'll get thirty minutes on like you'll get thirty minutes because you'll know about it. I guarantee, I guarantee Kenyon to like know about it and have some kind of opinion on it. Um. In the ongoing listing and collecting of Ship that makes Turkey's Gobble, guy rode in. He was out hunting one time, got all six, started puking, rolled into dry heaves, and gobbled up a bird dry heaving out in the woods. His buddy called. He says, his buddy called it and killed it. A train engineer says that he can get him to he can get him to shot gobble with his train whistle. Says, but it's so damn loud you can't hear the birds. But he'll see him out in the field, blow the whistle and see him stick their neck out and gobble even he's up his train engine so dry heaves and train whistles, yannice his heart. Here's a good yeah, he gets. I only forward you. It's like a very small percentage of people concerned about his heart. You're getting good tips off that. Well. You know, there was so many after my recent clarification, which I felt like I did a good job of saying, I'm feeling good, folks, But people care about you. I know they do. But we got quite a few emails being like, oh, man, I know exactly what's wrong with you. You better call me or this, that and the other enough. So I felt like I might have somehow miscommunicated and not giving off the uh, you know, the appearance that I'm fine and like I'm doing good. I feel comfortable with the situation and so yeah. One of the guys that rote in was like, dude, you gotta call me. So I did, so I chatted up. I got like a you know, like a what do you call when you go back? Like a like a check up, um follow up from a guy, a doctor out of Great Falls. Was it a doctor that called you? Yeah? Oh so a doctor said call me yeah, yeah, and doctors because I emailed doctors every week where I got a question no for sure And it was good because I basically ran through everything and he's like, sounds like you're right on track, You're you're you know, you've done all the tests that I would have recommended, and you you understand what's going on. I'm glad that you're on the ask for in a day. And knowingly I would say is that don't wait until you're sixty five to go see your cardiologist again. Maybe check in just a little more often. Oh, it's nice to have a second opinion. Totally, dude, you need to have doctors in your pocket. Man, I'd like to have a doctor in each back pocket at all time, because because the first of your day, guy wrote in, and you know, I don't know about like I hope he's not listen. No, it's fine, he wrote in, and he's like, his buddy has to go down some kind of emergency and get an m R I. And the m R I machine is backed up, okay, so he's gotta wait. And some doctors like, hey, long as you're waiting, let's do the x ray first to see if there's any metals to verify. There's no metals, like they'll because you know, the MRIs are magnets that will draw the metals. So if you got implants and stuff, they have steel. But but and he says that, thank goodness, thank god he did the x ray because his body had inadvertently swallowed a piece of shot there was residing in his stomach, and that that m R I would have drawn shot. Now, yeah, for sure, that's I verified that with my doctor friend d D. The doctor I should call D right now. So I wrote back and said well, because he said it's from eating turkeys. And I'm like, but you were using steel shot for turkey. Sure you weren't using like copperplated lead, her brass plated lead. They have both, because the magnet wouldn't draw unlead then, and then I emailed my doctor body d dr D to ask her the m r I wouldn't pull like it has to be something with iron in it for the magnets to pull it. And she's like, yeah, and that's why it's standard procedure to always check people with X rays to make sure they don't have any metal. And then the dude rolled back and said, yeah, in fact, it was steel. They were hunting turks with steel shot. So be pretty interesting to have that bea be drawn out of your body? Would it would? Now the thing that would worry me? Interesting? Huh? I would like it just for the story if it got drawn straight out. But let's say it got sucked by a magnet. Let's say they put the magnet on top of your head, pulled through your body and drew it that way. Man, that's not interesting, you know, But just a straight shot, just like bounce across every vertebra as it runs up your spine and then right through your cranium. I don't know how strong the magnet, sorry, but I felt that you were just hoping for like maybe liver, no man, hope to shut off when you started screaming. I don't know how fast it draws that thing in. I need to call. The point being, it's nice to have doctors you can call up and ask good questions to know. Here's another example of that. Uh, Steve and I guided a ortopedic surgeon in Colorado. This accompanied right, we're doing a fundraiser, that's right, So we weren't being paid for this, but yeah, we hunted with him, and Uh, I was always wondering what the actual name for what I call referred to the pelvit crest on a deer, which is like when you kind of break open it's back legs and he sliced away to meat, and you've got what looks to me very much like a crest like piece of bone each side of it. Yeah, you pull it out. And just because I was I don't know, I was writing something about that doing that process, I thought, well, I might not be calling it the right thing, So figured bone guy surgeon. Yeah, he didn't know off the top of his head, but he did a little bit of digging and quickly found out that it is called the symphysial crest r Yeah, so I was right with crest. It's just not Yeah, so it is in the pelvic area. So you know, the butt crack is called Oh technically, no, I don't the gluteal crease. I like that, that makes sense. I like that a lot um. It just sounds so less personal than your butt crack, right, you guys ought to introduced sales real quick, by the way, Yeah, and what you do here? Sam Longer, an associate editor Meat Eater, and Morgan Mason, same associate editor over here, stuff guys, real quick, while you're on it, Are you at liberty to talk about what's happening over your place tonight? Or no, it'll be long gone by then. Yeah, what do you worry that, like my party is gonna be crashed? You might not like to talk about stuff that's happening at your house. Oh yeah, I hear you. I've been thinking about that lately too, About how much you know, being that you know, we're outing the public eye more and more and more, how much of that stuff you keep private, but no, I'd love to talk about it. It's ah, would you like me to? Sure? Well, man, I wouldn't have brought it up. We're doing a little winter Solstice festivy festival festivities, um, which is gonna involve pagan rituals. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's they celebrate pag and stuff. But really, I say, the biggest reason we're actually doing this, and then my wife's interested in doing it, is that is that the tradition of it. So we've done it three or four years now, and like whoever's with us over the holidays, we sort of it's not always on the winter solstice, but even if we're we might do this New Year's sometimes because you're kind of celebrating New Year's ish type stuff right in the ending of one year at the beginning of another. Whether you want to do that on the winter solstice when the days started becoming longer more logical, Yeah, for sure. The Gregorian is how you say that, the Gregorian calendar. It's more logical, don't know, because that's just some arbitrary like like New Year should be right now exactly. Yeah, either last night or tonight. Yeah, it's kind of nice to think about that and then when you realize that that, like tomorrow, the day is going to be a little bit longer. I spent like ten minutes. I spent ten minutes explaining this to my kids. But theird thinking is They're like, they wanted to be real dramatic, you gotta move. I was like, no, it'll be like you know, like every day, it'll be like sub a minute, right, And they thought from it. I had their hopes up where they thought, all of a sudden, mos gonna be like hotter and balls light out. Tm Oh yeah, that's funny. But and you guys in the old days of Lavians, correct me if I'm wrong here, and the old days of Latvians and get a hunk up molten lead and fired into a bucket of water. Yeah, and we were thinking about doing that too. And I think we've just we just sort of ran out of time. Um, I'm still I'm still contemplating going and going buy and grabbing some fishing bunch of fishing weights. Um, bring a little we smelt lead with blowtorches, getting in and huff that it's good for your brain. Yeah, totally, you guys. Um, you guys tracking what we're saying about about throwing lead into a bucket, I am not. You know, in some cultures you take a chicken and kill the chicken and lay it's guts out. Watch all the guts squirmed, and you can tell the future heard of it. Well, Lavian's um. They like, take a hunk molten lead and throw into a bucket. Then you pull it out of the bucket and you get a candle going, and you throw a shadow of your lead shape because it makes the fild shape. You throw a shadow that off the wall, off a candle. Take a gander up there, and then see what's gonna happen. Yeah, everybody else like we're gonna get eaten by large monster. Yeah, everybody. It's like seven years and younger. It's usually that. And there's always a lot of boats for some reason, Like a chunk of melted lettuce has recently been you know, reformed into into a solid shape that it the or the shadow that it throws is some sort of boat like thing because everybody's going on a cruise next year, or just be like something. If you predicted for me, if I throw my lead and I throw a shadow up on the wall, and I look yonder and you and I see a boat, and someone said, man, I think over the course of the next year, you'll be in a boat. I'd be like, I think you're probably right. I got a feeling you're right. I went to a summer Solstice party at an environmental historians home. He's been a guest on this show, Dan Flores, and he had the big you don't really have a spot for this. He had a sun dial on a rock. Okay, so he could, you know, track shadows throughout the year. Is pretty cool. And then right at the appropriate time, everyone would uh. At the time that he would call, he would say that this party was a collection of elite He said it was an elite group of hard players, meaning an elite group of hard parties, and everybody be pretty partied up, and at the appropriate time you would all dance like like the sun. The shadow of the sun dial throws in a certain directions, so as the summer goes on, days get longer, longer, longer, and you would dance in a reverse direction of the course that the shadow was taking. And everyone, you know, all liquored up and everything, and you're all dancing and hooting up, hooping, you know, whooping and holler and round the dial for quite a long time, and it was like you're collectively harnessing your energies in order to send the sun back in the direction, reverse the time, send it back. Yeah, that's an interesting state of mind. Some results his party. Oh you know, it wasn't like he was. I don't think people thought that they were like literally reversing the course of the sun. But it was a celebration of it was it was like it is actually going on right there, saying that, like that there's gonna be less sun now, and we're sort of going to help that along. Yeah, like it's getting too yeah, too much, too much. You need to throttle her back a little bit, and so you'd send the sun back down. And it was a way of anchoring. I think it's just like a nice way of anchoring your calendar. Mm hmm, yeah, I like it. Yeah, we tonight. Oh you know, there's talking about your heart. I was supposed to bring up and go go ahead, but I don't want to get so far away from your heart that I lose my point. But go ahead throwing lead. So we're not gonna throw a lead what they call it. We're going to how do you saying lab throwing lead or whatever the term would be. I think it is. I think it's mess mess good job that your pop have the deal where he's like doing the signs on the body, like ended up with the caribou hun like blessing the rifle. You know that's just for kids, you know, Okay, But no, messed spheno. I think it's what it's called. I think it's to throw a lad messed sphenopen is I thought would be more like yeah, like most other latining words kind of sounds like that. So what's the process with the lead? You boil it down on something and just like have no so you just like have like a pot. You got a good will that you're not going to use beside this and and throwing uh good will. Yeah, you guys keep the crucibles and a Bunsen burner. Um. Yeah, you just melt it down and then when it's in a liquid form, you just take it and hold it right over the bucket of cold water. And one one felt, Yeah, the keys to do it fast and all at once, because if you drip it in there, you can imagine what you get. That makes sense. You're gonna see boat shapes like with all that weight coming down, like how the water reacts. But I think people see the water and it puts them in the boating frame of mind to perhaps. Uh, my old man had all the paraphernalia for dealing with lead. Kid was sweet little What is that material? It's like cast when it's not like picture like it looks. I can't think of the word, but it's a you know, like the super heavy cast iron things with a little spout on them. Yeah, and you get like the little tippers and everything, and we go down. We had that, We had the we had the molds to make your own fishing sinkers. But we'd go down and get all of our lead out of the at the rifle range down the road. We had a rifle range about a mile and a half. We could ride our bikes down a role that we dubbed dead dog Road because the strangest thing for a long period of growing up, you'd look in the ditch off that road and would often be able to find dead dogs, like we could never solve the mystery, or magazines of a certain genre would be like what you'd find in this ditch. So we call it like our road to end, and the Dead Dog Road to begin, and down Dead Dog already go left into the shooting range, and we would without doing any kind of things like putting flags up and whatnot to notify people that we were down there, we would go down with the sand the sifter and sift out bullet lead and use that to pour up our own sinkers and our sinker mold. But bullet lead there's additives in there. So like normally when you bite a fishing sinker, um, it's soft. But when you bite our sinkers, you would hear your teeth go every time because it was all those hardeners in there. Man. It was a nasty fishing, rough fad fishing experiment. Man. Yeah, it was horrible sinkers, horrible stinkers. But we never thought to go get tire weights, which most people who want to melt some lead up. That's what we always used, my dad, and soft lead buzz bombs and stuff like that. Tire weights. Yeah, what's a buzz bomb. It's a it's a long kind of diamond shaped casting lure for salmon that you can just huck a country mile off the beach. Oh yeah, Because you guys were like Pacific coast. Yeah, yes, we did a lot. You were throwing them for casting for salmon, mostly pinks and silvers, but you'd run into King's time to time. Yeah, oh man along along the west coast of Woody Island where I grew up, when the pink salmon run was on, Like you, you could go out to certain places and see a thousand people stretching for a couple of miles down the beach. Just when you threw a bird down the beach, they knew you were just saying high. One time, when I was doing that, I drilled seagull out of the air with a buzz bomb when there was you know, five hundred people withinside of me, and they all thought I did it on purpose, when the worst thing was like I was kind of like seagull coming Biden thinking of and you know a million chances did you do it on purpose? There's no way you don't bet you a thousand bucks, right, there's no way you're But speaking of flipping the birds, there are some people who thought that was pretty uh, pretty bad idea of me to do, and we thought you did it on purpose. But I did it on purpose. I had to fight that thing all the way in, pin it down, unhook it. It was pretty unpleasant with that you hooked. Yeah, you got you tied into him. Yeah, if you're calling drag oh yeah. Yeah. It was up in the air and then down the water and squawking. It's not horrible without an audience, but it probably becomes horrible with an audience. Yeah, but worse about it. Well, I've I've found throughout the course of my life that catching ship on fishing gear that isn't fish is generally unpleasant. Yeah, turtles, no one. Yeah, it's never any fun. Never. Yeah, we doubt what the Pelican wants. I still need to get back to why I brought up your heart. Yeah, we got off of what we're gonna be doing tonight because I just explained the Yeah, winter sols. I'm coming up with my boys. My daughter can't come. Oh, you guys are coming. That's good to know. I don't think you invited me. I think you invited my wife. I invite your whole family, but you guys did rs VP. Really, I'm glad we know now I'm coming up with two boys. All right, we're ready for you. But what we're gonna do, Just so everybody knows what Steve will be doing and what he was doing on the evening of the twenty one. We're gonna have a bonfire, throwing chicken guts, throwing leads, No chicken guts on fire. We're gonna drag a youlgue around the house. We're gonna sing some songs. Which how do you guys feel about that? My wife thinks that Americans in general are very uncomfortable with singing songs in public. Oh yeah, I hate it. Increasingly used to be way more common, seems like, yeah, like I was just reading in the paper some article the day, like Christmas caroling is like this thing that used to be it's like kids, Yeah, Mrs Babcock would organize it. Yeah, it's sure you kind of hated it, But I think as you do it more, you kind of like realize, you know, the benefits of it. And I don't know, I feel like singing makes you feel good when you do it, And it's just interesting that Americans really don't like doing it because I always sing my song. Yeah, I've sing that all the time. Yeah, we sing a lot on Hunt. But no, like when my kids have a birthday and there's people over and it comes down to sing the birthday song, and there was stoked to sing the birthday song. Yeah, that's not the kind of singing I'm talking about. I know what you mean, though, it seems like it used to be a lot more common now. So we're gonna standing around the bonfire saying a few songs, sing some songs while we're pulling the yolog around and then the real well that's part of the tradition and the whole winter song. We're gonna like, you need a team of my oxen or what No, you know it'll be. You just had your house redone. You're dragging large do it around it, around it, you do it three times, you know, to basically bless the house and you know, get rid of evil spirits and get it ready for the next year. A lot of people on that hill, I know, there's a we have a we have a corner man. When there's not a lot of space where rope, you put up a rope people can hold onto. Yeah, little carabineers they can clip into every time they come. When that's done, you go to the bonfire, and then we have an axe and you can either you know, to everybody there express in words what you're chopping into the log or you can just keep it in your own head. But the gist of it is is that you're chopping like the shitty things from the prior year, the demons, the dragons, battles, the hurdles, negative stuff, whatever, and you're you're chopping it into the log, out of your body, into the law. And then I don't buy that. And then you pick up the law goes into the fire. I feel like every guy with a woodstove does that every time each shops. He's like, some exactly, how is it that you're chopping it into it? I feel like what it should be. It's symbolic. I think it should be, did you knock a chunk out of the log? The log is your you're everything. You come in at a forty five, come in at a reverse forty five, knock out a little chip that's the right fill that in the fire, Well, those chips will be lying there. So if that's how you want to do it, you can throw a little chip in there for sure. Pretty subjective, subjective on the approach on this, like you just have your angle, know what you want to do. Yeah, totally, I'm sure there's some you know, crazy little traditional pagan labby and it'll say, no, we're doing it all wrong. But I need to get back to you why I brought up your heart. But yeah, real quick, you guys would paint those buzz bombs? Huh? How would you paint them? Usually bubblegum, pink? What kind of paint? I mean, just like rustoleum. I get all mail paffer and stuff. Like. I remember, I was into powder coating stuff for a while. I can't remember if I was doing that for my steel head jigs or buzz bombs. I I don't. I don't honestly remember. But like hard enamel stuff because you'd be banging it on rocks and all sorts of stuff. I paint my own hell but jigs, and that's always a let down, man. Yeah. Yeah, it chips off so damn fastalbet it stays good, yeah, because then you're you're trying to put glow in the dark on their right A lot of times if you're just jigging hell but it's good. But as soon as you start banging rocks for heal, thet are typically over a sandy bottom. As soon as you're like banging rocks for lincod Or banging rocks for rock fish. Then you pulled up, it's like all that hard work he's got like a lead jig again. Yeah, but I also kind of like ones that are a little battle scarred. I've always I always thought that it needs like a little bit of seasoning before something's fishing well, especially with jigs, like once it once there's a little bit of chip, maybe it makes it, give it a little bit more of a realistic pattern or something. I don't know. I haven't noticed that. I that's in your head, but once in people's head is important. Man, Yeah, I think so. I used to hate talking with people about hunting gear and fishing gear and then they'd like something stupid, and man, I think that's stupid and they'd say, well it works for me. And I used to not like it, but now I understand it and like it. Yeah, I talk I talk to people about that all the time, that what you're fishing is less about having it right, you know, from objective standards, and more what you're confident in. That's what That's what I say all the time. With steel head, it's like pick up, no, don't pick like the fly of that you know, some professional things. You should pick. Pick the one that you're confident in, the one that you're going to feel like you're fishing well all day, feel that like is working for you and and and have that sense of find that sense of confidence, and that's what's gonna catch you fish, not trying to rely on somebody else's expertise. Yeah, like this year, man, because this year I try to hold a new kind of flutter jig for jig and halibut. And we traditionally always us just like classic leadheads, but I mean they're sixteen ounce leadheads, right, like just big leadhead with a big j hook coming out of it, and on that you put you know, like the classic just like you're rigging up for small mouth bath, but everything's like way bigger than you get, like a ten inch grub body on it, not tenants six eight inch grub body on it. And that switched to a flutter jig. And at first you're fishing it and you're not fishing like you are when you're fishing something you love. But then I want to on day one, late and late on day one of halibut fishing, smack two very nice halibut. Then you should see me fishing that jig, then you're playing for keeps. Man, I'm sitting up there just jigging jigg It's not like you know you're in it because you're like, oh this thing works, then you're fishing seriously. So it's self fulfilling, right, It definitely is. It takes a while. It takes a while to develop that with new patterns, techniques, all sorts of stuff and some there's a lot of things that I've just never gotten past it. It's like I never figured out how to fish. This never worked for me. I've got dride boxes full of flies and and lures that I tried one time. I was like, I'm not really feeling it. Never really stuck it out long enough to make it work, because sometimes it's just default to those things. But then sometimes like that, just like, oh ship, that's me. That's me. With any kind of surface bait, yeah, I just like and I was like, man, service baits, Oh there I have a This last spring, I took my dad to Wisconsin on a muskie trip and a friend had told us to get this this new fancy surface bait called the whopper plopper, and I was like, well, that's the dumbest name I've ever heard of. And then I saw it and I was like, well, that's the dumbest looking lure I've ever seen. And it's it's like it's like aizarre spook kind of like a like a just like a cigar bait. No lip, no nothing, but the back end has like a little fin and it goes but spinning around and must swimming. Yeah, exactly, real noisy, there is like throwing water everywhere, but the wounded ones are so I just I just couldn't. I just couldn't handle it. But he went and bought five of them, of course, and and then first day he landed like it's just from a loan from the bank to buy five musky plug Yeah, seriously, he got a he got a huge smiley on it the first day, and then a big muskie on it the second day. And then after he caught that his first muskie on this bait that I didn't think was gonna work, he busted out another lure that I had even less confidence in, called the suicide Duckling literally looks like a rubber duckling. These guys should get a job naming hot sauce. Yeah, absolutely, this literally looks like a duckling. It's it's it's fairly fishy. It's like head down, looks like a duckling running the way, which definitely does make a lot of commotion. It's got propellers for the feet and it's got treble hooks sticking up all over the play And I was like, you gotta be kidding me. He's like, I bought this. I bought this lure. I think it's awesome. I want to fish it. And he just loves hair brained ideas for different stuff. He fished that thing for ten minutes and landed a forty in musky right at the side of the boat. Guy can pick lures or he just fishes him with comedy. Yeah, I know folks that swear by those two. Definitely both both of those things. Man. I am completely. I'm completely. Until last summer, Yanni and I didn't know. Maybe you did, I don't think you did. We didn't know that muskies were also in fashion again. Oh yeah, yeah, that there's like fish and Game Agency's established him. Well, yeah, because like my grandpa was a musky fish and my mom that was my mom's my mom's father, maternal grandpa. Uh he liked to fish cropping like the fish muski. But he was fishing musky and native water right go up in the north Wisconsin and stuff and fish musky, um, and that was like his thing. But I didn't know that they're making all these like super breeds and muskies and cutting muskies loose and all these lakes, so they weren't traditionally been and always like sterile hybrid eized muskies that just get bigger and bigger and bigger and never reproduced. And it's like a big practices when they're trying to get rid of a car per suckers or putting hybridized yeahs, sterile musky exactly because they'll they'll create a cool fishery. They get really big, but you know they're not gonna breed. They're not gonna like, you know, eat themselves out of house and home like pike or actual muskies. Were people are tigers all over Montana. People get real fired up about catching them. Yeah, definitely. When I was a little kid, we did we fished this lake for bluegills called Wolverine Lake, pretty heavy and um, they had tiger muskies in there, but they were all dinkers. When I was a kid, you so much. Moments they were gonna Sunday be hogs. You just catch dinker tigers. The reason I brought your heart up, guy wrote in which is a doctor here? He was talking about your an email about your heart. He pointed out that he had to take beta blockers. He says that the medication has had an interesting and unintended side effect which has made him immune debuck fever. Oh, he gets excited about seeing dear, but he never gets that feeling like his heart is brought ready to jump out of his chest. He's got that calm, steady hand because he's taken medications specifically meant to prevent tachycardia. Tachycardia. That's right, man, You're gonna get a lot of listeners jumping on the beta blockers. And he says, I'm no super hunter by any means. When this buck in the picture below came into view in October, how as cool as could be? Yeah, no, I can see that. But quite a few doctors have told me and all agreed that beta blockers. Also, the young people don't like them because they slow you down so much. He's you have there's a look like taking him. You just have a constant lethargy. Oh slow you down a net way? Yeah, I don't know. Like they take the hot the peaks and valleys, they take the peaks out of life physically slow you don't. Yeah. So if you're if you're hiking a hill, you know, you probably had to just because you're heart it's not responding to what your body's asking of it, so you had to stop more often, you know. Yeah, so you're feeling what this guy is saying. No, No, I've yeah, no, I've had the beta blocker chat, you know, with anybody I've talked to about about taking it. So if you're really symptomatic and it's bothering you, and a lot of people like that, Like I had an anxiety from having those you know, the symptoms, But once I was told that there's nothing to worry about, I was able to just put it out of my head and when it happens now I'm like, Okay, it's fine, and I go back to sleep or just go on with my thing. A lot of people can't do that. In the anxiety just builds and builds and builds, and so they're gonna take beta blockers to deal with it. If it was happening to me twice a day, I'd probably taking beta blockers because he just gets sick of it. Yeah, then just get into some kind of hunting where you don't need to do a whole lot of walking, but you need to do a whole lot of keeping calm. Sounds like, yeah, started living in a tree stand. Um guy rolled in talk. We remember talking about shooting squirrels, shooting squirrel nats when you're a little kid, to try to rustle him out or like to try to get him. I like how when we were squirrel hunting the other day, your boy was like, He's like, I just want to make sure, but we can't shoot the squirrel nests right there. Yeah, he like anyone independently. It's nice when someone like independently discover something that definitely occurred to him. Why not just go ripping a couple of rounds up and each and every one of these nests and then time out there and have a look. We'll clive up there and see what we got. Uh. This guy was saying in something, there's states that explicitly state I haven't looked us up. He said. The states that explicitly state you cannot shoot into a squirrel nest makes sense. Um, he's talking about he did it once when he was a kid, and I don't know how. You don't know the squirrel flopped out or he climbed up and got it out, but he took it home to his grandma. His grandma was pissed and she was yelling at him. She cooked the squirrel still, but she was yelling at him, and she said, that's like someone shooting you in your home. Which I don't want someone shooting me no matter where I'm at. Yeah, so if they're out on the branch or, is like somebody shooting into your yard. And that's all right. Yeah, it's like, oh it's chilling. Man. I was outside when I got she was asking for it. Um, one last thing before we getting some before we're getting some things that are more questions and nature. But a guy was saying he's got this idea he's come to think of. You know, with people, right, you have like you have like high class and you know you have class. There's a class structure in America, right, It's like blue everybody talks about blue collar. UM, affluent. He views deer. He thinks that deer he thinks that the deer to live on public land or blue collar deer, because I gotta put up with all the bullshit man like getting shot at. Just yeah, and he said, then there's like the high class deer that lived down the private land. Nothing bad that what happens to him. I don't know, feeding man feeding all manner times through the day. So so is it white colored people who are hunting white color deer and blue color? He says he's worked this theory up. He's running by a few people. Everyone doesn't like it. His wife thinks it's stupid if he says, he's still trying to work on it. But the basic outline of it is there's blue collar deer and they stuck on public lane as some merit some merit. I think it's born's a warrants mentioned. Yeah, all right, here's one. It's not on the big list. I let you guys all look at this is a surprise question to you, but I think it would be pretty easy. A friend of mine, Patrick wrote in, and they they he's al all, he's already sent me an email to tell me what happened here, and uh so we have with the follow up already but at the time when he wrote this, his cousin ran into a situation that he had no real knowledge. I was wondering if we could weigh him. His cousin killed a large dough and they had cold temperatures, so he decided just to hang it with a hide on and leave it um, probably at home. He didn't say where, but he says he hung it and then he got to his place to butcher. And so after picking it up, and he realized that the face of the deer had been slightly chewed on. And I saw the picture and it looked like pretty much half of the muzzle had been chewed off. So he's got to hang him by the hocks. Yeah, he's got to hang him by the gambrel. Okay, his cousin thought it was a raccoon. Maybe a possum. Could have been a dog kyo, could have been all kinds of creators. Really, That's why I'd like to know where this is, because if it's in his garage and his dogs in the garage, I got it narrowed down. It wasn't your ma. It sounds like it was out in the woods. And then he brought it back. Now as cousin felt that he couldn't eat it because of this, because he's dead deer had rabies, because there was a risk, possible risk feeding it to his family, and at the time he was gonna play on his burying everything and returning it back to the earth. He's got a deer, got it out, deer hanging, and something choos on his muzzle, and he's gonna bury the deer, even even if the thing that chewed on his muzzle had y vampire. Yeah. Yeah, the deer's blood isn't circulating. I mean, unless you're planning on doing like head cheese with that deer, which like most people don't do like there there's absolutely no reason that it got chewed on by a rabid animal. Rabies is mostly eradicated. The dude looking to get rid of this, the dude looking to get rid of a deer. Yeah, certainly there is that possibility, but I think you guys should to us, it seems like so well, of course, but I think to a new hunter you could see that and definitely be turned off and wondered like okay, which yes, yeah, yeah, because I had a coyote eat on a or probably could have been a pack coyotes eat on a cow elk one time that was left in the woods a little bit too long, and I came up to it and was like, I wasn't worried about like I was gonna contract something, but I was definitely like, what do I do here? How much? How much I'm factoring in? I'm putting like heavy emphasis on the fact that it's it's it's his muzzle. Yeah for sure. Now if he said eight all like eight half of each bag ham, I would trim. I would definitely trim around that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a different situation. Okay, Yeah, I don't think it's a sidest point. Yeah. So Patrick Patrick had a chat with him and they they who's Patrick buddy mine? Yeah, he's given us some of this is from within your social circle. That's why you're being so oh no, no, no, he's a he's like an acquaintance through meat eater. Um. But they came up with the solution to can the whole thing, and then by pressure cooking it, everybody everybody felt comfortable that there was nothing. So yeah, so you're saying every time up you're like, well, boys, this bes rabid, but but I can't. It was it. What's what's pressure cooking gonna do different than any other kind of cooking? Isn't Listen, it's all in the guy's head, right. But he didn't waste the animal. It didn't have to go back to the earth. Oh no, God bless him. I think he's deer real. I think I think I'm I'm happy with the outcome. Okay about you guys, don't feel like I wasted your time. No, it's a great question. It's a great question. And we get a lot of questions with people in situations that I feel are less obvious, such as having it's typically coyotes, having coyotes eating hunks of your stuff, and then people off and wheed like, well what do you do? That? Told the story about my brother that had a bear getting messes, situation all up, that buried all that mean, buried a bunch of the parts. He walked aroun digging it all back up, took down to create, gave it a bath, and went home and ate it. Yeah, nothing wrong with it, that dude. He anything, And it wasn't a rabid grizzly bear. I don't know if he had he never got a test it. But yeah, I mean I don't think it crossed his mind. This is a guy that takes a little bits of trim and puts it in a TopWare container and puts it in his microwave for his dog, but it ends up putting salt down and eating himself. One for you, one for me. Oh yeah, I told you right that he was. When we were in the tent that's falling together, he was telling me that he felt feels like tender meat and tender food is a fad that is going to go away. Yeah, well, there are cultures that would agree with them, are there. Yeah, don't you remember the chupic mm hmm, the chupic eskimo. They were saying that the parts they liked are the chewy parts. They talked about meat being too tender. Of the caribou, Yeah, they like the you know what, like every animal, all the ungulates have it, but it's really exaggerated on like moose and stuff that. Like there's if you picture something spine like, let's let's picture something that's got a real obvious humph Like take like a moose, right, and when you got the spine and you got the blades that come up off the spine, those are called the thoracic processes. When you got like an animal like that and you go to the highest thorascic process, like on on a buffalo. Those things be twenty inches long, you know, moose got a big thorastic process. And then off that there's that cable. It looks like a yellow cable. Giant tendon that runs from that's fixed into those things, runs along the top of the neck and basically holds that head up. They're talking about, like and to eat that thing. You remember this, Sometimes I feel like you're not paying attention to stuff that vainly remember having to converse station about enjoying the tougher cuts with those boys. Yeah, like Callahan's throat roast and stuff. Yeah, which to chew cuts, um, And there are a lot of people who like prefer those chewy wh who liked that chewy cut. So I think Matt could beyond to something, or Matt could have been born to the wrong culture. Matt's wife was explaining to me how Matt is. He's in his tent. He's in his teepy tent with his stove going. He's got like a collapsible seek stove and he's in there cleaning up a skull, elk skool, just not doing a snowstorm, and all the little scrapings that he's cutting off. He just lays it flat onto the stove, like no pan, no oil, and just lays lays the trunks of meat out onto the that's a good idea stove. And then just as he works, that's what he has for a snack. You want to talk about some tough bits, man, right, Yeah, that's so he likes us a lot. He likes a chewy bit. I feel that yellow cable has gotta be the chewiest thing ever. I wonder if that's something that they're just like kind of chewing on the past the time they're talking about like and they cook some chewy meat, if you remember, because they kind of like boil. They boil, but not for long, just boil meat. Yeah, remember that, remember, not being real impressed they're like flash boiled meat. Well, because they they like to chew. They like to chew, they like the cut. Here's a good one. Have you noticed the difference in the taste of a fall black bearon out of a spring bear? Yes, yeah, a big difference, man. And then again it depends on we're gonna rule because everything gets squirrely. No, let's keep it open to the let's keep it open to nuance. Here if it has the access to marine resources, meaning if it's a bear eats on salmon and you know, dead seals, it finds washed up on the beach and whatnot. Uh, I feel that they're better in the spring, especially fall bears that are on salmon are There are many, many exceptions. I'm gonna people are gonna write it and be like it does not true, but they are perceived. Black bears feeding on salmon are perceived as being borderline inedible. And in those marine areas, when bears in the spring are feeding real heavily on vegetation, um, beach dry, you know, various things they find and even little crabs and stuff from unt of the rocks, they're regarded as being much more palatable and better than fall bears. I think that that becomes reversed for other reasons when you're talking about bears that are not have access to marine resources such as salmon runs. Because in the fall, thre eating a lot of masks, thre eating a lot of berries, They're putting on a good layer of fat. They have very good fat for making large, and I think they're better than to fall, but I don't I would suggest that doesn't vary as much with interior bears, not as much variation, because I mean I've eaten I've eaten a number of different spring black bears from Montana that were just fabulous, couldn't anything. Yeah, there's no off taste in meat, but you don't have They're not like his robust and fatty, right, and bear fat is good, yeah, but they'll still carry a pretty healthy layer of fat sometimes in the spring. You see them good and fatty in the spring. So I can't think of ever like getting one. You could actually render large off in the spring, but the spring is a big window too, right. I remember I got one on April seventeen, which is early. You can hunt him to mid June. In Montana, there's some units and then guys up Canada are hunting them into June. By that time he's had two months to eat, so you can be packing on some weight. Another guy road In says, does bear lard go bad? Yeah, large goes bad? Now large by definition that you've rendered it right, So you gotten the impurities out and you got the water out but I wound up just as a test when I the animal that I wrote American that kind of like the animal I wrote American Buffalo about my book. I rendered a bunch of um. He had a real orangey fat on them, because they like you know, process the caroteen and things and they get like a nice orange, yellowy fat in late summer. It's my understanding of how that works. And I rendered a bunch of it out and made a bunch of basically beef are because that fat's good. Oh yeah, that that fat like beef fat, not like tallow It's not like venison. It's not like the waxy venison fat, which is which varies in it's which varies in quality throughout the country in the time of year, I believe. But their fat is good, like you can leave the fat on and grill it and it's good. And I have kind of the same color as like duck fat. Yep, oh you know, cool yellowy or that yellowy orange like kind of a not great looking like you imagine orange that has like a not super just yellow orange. Leave it at that. I rendered a bunch of it out because there's a lot of it on there. Um And I kept one. I liked having it so much that I didn't jar it and seal at pressure, seal it right now, just kept it in the jar. And I must have kept that stuff for seven I kept one little pint sized jar just for just because I like to have it in my fridge. I like looking at it. Um Over time, it was like this beautiful color in the beginning, and over time it just turned kind of gray, and eventually I thought it's some out and it had gone ransom. They had gone ransom. And if you leave, that's like one of the things like you if you leave. So he's talking about bear lard, which has been rendered, But if you leave fat on a bear in your freezer, it will it will go south on you in your freezer. You need to trim that stuff off when you freeze bear meat. But I don't know what it is about fat, but the salmon fat goes bad. And yeah, there's a lot of stuff that goes wrong with salmon in the freezer. Well, I think that fat in general, you just like most freezers aren't keeping it cold enough from preserving. Probably the only reason I know that kind of I feel like it would work with wild game fat when it does work with wild game. Is because an uncle of mine uh owns a place where they sell uh dipping dots ice cream, I believe is what it's called here about that all the time, I don't understand what. Yeah, I've never tried it myself either, but it's it's so high and fat. I guess that they had to put in when they became a purveyor of this product, they put in a freezer. That's the first time said purveyor on this show. I guarantee it. I like that that it's got to be kept at like minus thirty or something instead of just zero like a normal commercial freezer is or whatever. And he killed an elp and he's like, yeah, man, six years later, still eating on that thing, and I swear it was like every bit as good as it was, you know, six months after it because he had a high class freezer. Yeah, because he felt like it was keeping it so cold and his preserving it that much better. Yeah, those dipping dots are a weird consistency. I could see how you maybe have to do something different. He's just taken like a one roast per Christmas and that was it. Seriously through an elk in six months go ahead or anyone. Um. Yeah, Well, we all decided that this um was a good question, and this guy actually prepped his question with I'm hoping that it's the question of the century. Yeah. I don't need to hear that. I don't need to hear that, because Keith I can tell you that it's not. But I thought we're getting a laugh out of the way you're presenting it. So he he asks, Let's say you're on a budget and God comes down and holds a gun near your head. Okay, four forces you to choose between high end boots or high end glass, meaning optics. I've turned around grab that gun out of his hand so fast. But let's just say, I don't think it's you're saying. It's not what you're saying. God's not being fair with that question. No, I don't want to do I don't want I don't want to black. I don't want to I don't want a blastpheme. But I'll say that, Um, I gotta know more. I gotta know what you're up to if you're a chucker hunter boots. Good point. Good point. Let's say a big game. Let's say Western big game optics for me, yeah, I feel like I think, like nice boots, but you can you can get it good. You can get a good pair of boots for less than you couldn't get it really, you know, expensive pair of boots. Yeah, you just keep wearing, you know, and uh, if you had to, you can hunt and bare feet and make some mocks sins. Yeah. And the thing is too if you get if you buy right on knocks, like if you buy like you buy a pair of Vortex knocks, you get great knocks. They're not gonna kill you on cost. And if your house burns down, they replace them as long as you got something to show for him. And I still got the lanyard. And even the most expensive boots I've ever had in my life, they still last me like a season and a half. You can't wear out boots and send them in. You can wear out knocks and send them in. You can with some companies. I sent in a sending a pair of last year, and they re rebuilt them for me for like thirty bucks. Rebuilt that's true on them. They didn't put a new soul on them for me. That was like another like hundred and twenty five or something. I was like, yeah, these will just be my pack boots and you can send in to get redone, and like like White's pack boots, you can send in to get redone. These are kind of tracks got you. Okay, so you can't a little bit, but not the same way. You're not bringing them back. I'm still not giving it the fact that it just really depends. But in general, let's say, okay, so my life, the way my life is like what I do, all the things I do. Man, it's really tough because it just really depends. I've said a thousand times. I've just's got a gun to your head right now. Man, Well that's that's why it doesn't like equivocation. Let's go, let's go to last weekend squirrel hunt, pretty mellow walk about knocks, Right, you're still going to choose that could have been out there and flip flops. I wouldn't liked it a little bit, even kind of Morgan, you're you're with knocks too. Yep, I'm on the glass. Sorry, Keith, good question, but not the best of the SENTI to be the question of the century. You're only gonna live, like all of us in this room, we'll touch into our early eighties. And will die, So that would have to be you didn't even get a full century when it's all said and done. Generally, he's saying that he would have had the so in all your entire life, that that would be the best question. Like you're on your dying bed, You're you're dying and like someone says, you know in all these years, man, like you know as you fade out of consciousness, Um, what was the what was the best question you've ever heard? Right? Really obscure hypothetical. I came up one time and emailed to a podcast. It's kind of like the ever debatable question. People are expecting him to be like, what's the meaning of it all? Or like this is really the end? There is it only the beginning? But he'd be like, answ your boots. You gotta lean down into his ear to hear it, into his mouth to hear it. Okay, here's one. Why are some squirrels tougher than others? I think its age definitely? Why you? Why are you peeking over my area? I want to see what you're working off of over there? Why are some squirrels tougher and others? Are you getting frustrated with? What's on, He's like, he cooks up he was cooking up some buffalo hot legs. Kudos to him. He's cooking up some buffalo hot legs from the Meatator Fishing Game cookbook available now. And uh and he's noticing how some are real, a real bite, and some are just phenomenal. And he says it doesn't seem to be related to size. M hmm. I think I believe that it's a function of age. Well is he is he assumed? Are we assuming that he shot all those squirrels and one outing? You know, because if if one it was was sitting in the fridge or freezer longer could understand why that would have that the meat would have aged good idea. We're uh, yeah, he's gonna start a thing. Can I talk about this? I think so, I don't know what you're talking about. For questions like this, for questions like this, where you go you get the question, you're like, yeah, there's gotta be more to the story. Yeah, Yani is gonna start a thing called ask the Eagle where you get where when you when you're like, what really happened? Because it'd be like someone be like, oh, you know, I was out and Um, you know, a guy shot at me and I shot at him. Who was right? And be like I just gotta have to get him on the phone to find out, Like a little more so, this would be a good thing to ask the eagle because then you can dig in and get him on the phone and find out what exactly, because he might not know that to ask the right questions. Yeah, there's a lot of factors that go into that kind of stuff that can be pretty easily missed. I didn't start to pay attention to aging until a couple of years ago. When I'm not saying aging age, Yeah, yeah, no, I I agree, I was. Yeah, I'm addressing both. Suppose because like in the Scope the A's cookbook lagi q lan Air, he says that he only will cook a rabbit if you can tear the rabbit's ear like paper. I mean, you should just be all grab it like you're ripping paper. And after young rabbits look at you know, young cottail or hair. When he's dead, you can grab its ear and you should be able to go like this and you can tear the ear. That's a young rabbit, that that is okay to cook. And he could afford to be picky. I mean, he's like my brothers would have been perfect for that. He was chasing a rabbit around a brush pile for like forty five minutes and he probably had ten holes in his ear from the brush well, no from him shooting at twenty two at it and missing him, just hitting his ears, so it was like perforated. So then yeah, that he might have had a false positive. Just Scoffe mentioned what he did with the rabbits that whose ears he couldn't rip, He probably would have ground them up and used them for dog food. No, he would have ground them up and use them in in pattes and to make canals and stuff like that would be my guests. But for these, you know, for his preparations of like whole muscle preparations, he liked to be able to tear the ear and then you knew he had a nice tender specimen. I might start doing that, and then I'm just gonna turn my other rabbits like Kevin Murphy did, into rots. It's not a bad idea, because man, those were good. Yeah, rabbit brots, white brots, fat man, I forgot about those rabbit bros. Yeah, those were delicious. Some bitch. We should put that in the cookbook. What kind of spices you throw in there? What's a flavor profile? Oh? Man, I don't know if I can remember off that my head. Oh like just for brots, for those like white pepper, corianders, a bunch of things you put in brods. Yeah, people put mace in the rocks. Yeah, but that pretty classic beer brody, you know, not Italian not you know, there's no spice, you know, mild beer brody kind of flavor. What else you got seacon of eating wild game? He said? He says, He says it's a wild game logistical question. He hasn't found a definitive answer too, after a decent amount of research, which is so I'm just guessing that nobody's in a blog post about it. I have searched high and low. How's he's on the library looking up the card You open up the card catalog. How much wild game do you think it takes to feed a family of four? And then specifically, he asked, you, guys, keep track of how many animals you and your family eating a given year. It's hard to answer, just depends on your habits, right, Like, well, let me do for instance, I was having this conversation with Brodie. Here you got family of four, very strict wild game diet. Brody's got through a coyle, moose, cow, elk and a box that's like you know, eating at home, and when you're eating at home, you're eating and he throws down heavy on game and then a variety of small games thrown in. I kind of look at it because I could do a lot of, like you know, I get to do like a fair bit of It's harder for me to answer because we fish a lot um small game a lot. But then the other thing is is we when we're out, like most of my hunting is when we're out filming the TV show. And so then we have a crew, and with our crew we divide out, so like if we get an elk, you're like, oh, there's an elk, but then it's it's the sixth of an elk or a fourth of an elk when we divide out for because we split out for the crew, so I never get like an accurate count. And then I also get a lot of stuff from buddies right where Buddy minal whatever, Buddy min will get a wild hell oh you know here here's a pig leg and then later I catch some salmon and I'll be, oh, bro here's a couple of salmon flays. So it's like, I never like look at it in terms of but Brody has a good count. But that's that's not extreme, but it's pretty that's a lot. Yeah, but it seems like a lot. I don't think it is. I know that because he's devoted. Yeah, before um, I had kids and so it's because kids and met a kind of started the same time for me. But prior to that, my wife and I would go through to elk no problem every year. And it wasn't like, you know, we ate elk, but it wasn't like we were trying to eat elk five times a week. You know. It's just like when we when we ate read meat, that's what we ate. But there's no problem to go through to two cow elk. It depends on how you're cooking, too, because if you get like, if you're sitting high on the hog, right, you got a full freezer, which is how I look at it. But I just always watching my free your levels. But you know, if you're sitting pretty you might be doing things you're doing like big rows. If you're sitting thin, you might be making like fajitas or something right where it. So you take like a you could have family five sown and you get one pound of like a one pound roll stout and make like a dish that has like the nice flavor and it's fun and everything, and it's like a wild game dish. But it's not like you're sitting down and laying out big rolls where people are eating wedges off that thing. So just it just depends so much. Yeah, I feel like I've heard like one guy can take down an elk throughout the year, like that's kind of the ratio. Sure, but I mean it's subjective like how you're eating. Absolutely yeah, but you yeah, I think that one person who's a dedicated wild game eater is puts the elk in the freezer and you got, yeah, you got like a with that you could probably even have you could be having a little breakfast sausage. Now. Then when someone says an elk that could be as little as sixty five or seventy five pounds of meat, Yeah, exactly, So big variants there. Um, yeah, I'm gonna get better at that. You know who I'm gonna ask and get and we'll bring this up. There's no you can't get better at it. There's no because listen, what you could do is by weight. You could very easily just be have a scale in the kitchen and every time you go to cook, you just, you know, weigh it, make a little note somewhere, and at the end of the year you tally it up and say, you know what, we ate three d pounds elk, thirty pounds of turkeys perch flats, like there's two pounds perch plays right, write it down there, you go, let's do it. Yeah, that'd be cool man, to have a little list. You take it out, weigh it, write it down, and then you'd be like, oh, so we ate seventy some pounds of venison, thirteen pounds of perch filets, x pounds of catfish pile AT's And then if you wanted to, you could take cucumbers, averages all those animals, and then you could say I ate roughly x pounds wild game to elk, and roughly for turkeys. Yeah, man, because I feel like I could amount of stuff I kill. I mean, I'm mostly cooking for one I could eat while game, breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day of the year and still have game left over. And then you got like social media personalities who there's no you can't account there's no possible way to account for all of the stuff they kill, and they're like, wow, game bro, Wow, game bro. You realize dude, you shot thousands and thousands of pounds of meat. Where'd that all go? So yeah, you wind up like it's just like I know enough to know when's like I don't enough to know when when I see something little fish, and then you kind of know enough to know when you I don't know nothing but tender lewins. Oh yeah, I've had people level that at me, Like I last year, I killed a bowl elk elk and too mature mule here bucks and that's way more than one man can can eat in a year. But I went home a couple of times and filled my YETI one oh five to the brim and gave it to my parents, gave it my cousins, give me an uncle and the party with it. Yeah, exactly, smoke something, party with some it's some fun thing to do and then like do some sharkottery just like kind of like yeah, around with some experiments of what you want to do. And when I live in Seattle, I practice a lot of wild game diplomacy with the people around. But that with that kind of thing, I would uh, because I lived around a bunch of people that had no connection to like this kind of little connection to fishing, like absolutely no connection or idea about hunting. And um, I'm thinking primarily three, like my three most immediate neighbors, and I would bring them a lot, but I would bring them not so much sometimes frozen, but I would bring them recipe ready stuff, not like you're trying to dump, you know, some frozen game bag full of Harry trim off on someone's doorstep. But I would bring them like, here's the thing, right, it's trimmed. Here's what I would suggest you do with it. You know, here's a fish flat. I pulled the pin bones and and it was it was cool man. So yeah, yeah, I do do a lot of I do give and receive a lot of uh wild game gifts. But here's another way to approach answering it. Let's say you take a turkey. So you got you, you're you and your husband, you and your husband, you shoot a turkey, and you're gonna cook for you and your husband. I think that you have each lobe of the breast is a meal or two for you and your husband. The two drumsticks, depending if you're like if you're let's say you make soup with the two drumsticks. There's a couple of meals, a few meals for you and your husband, and you smoke up the wing pieces and add them to a gumbo or whatever, and there's like an additional part for the meal. Or you take all of that. You've got a big old time that tom ways twenty pounds. You take all that you want to make breakfast sausage out of it, you wind up with like eight pounds of turkey meat. You cut in a substantial amount of pork trim, so you put in four pounds of pork trim. You make a twelve pound batch of apple turkey breakfast sausage out of the mediator. Fishing game cookbooks say um, and then you frap little patties for your breakfast and stuff you can you can eat it twenty five times. There's lots of great ways to stretch it out like that. What's next? You got one? You said you gotta listen a mile along. Yeah, but I want you hit me one of years. I can keep going. I'll do one. Lots of questions about this. What are those little things around the end of y'all shooting irons? That's what he says. Is it tape? Do you just shoot through it? Does it affect the bullet? Why is it even there? Yes, um, all of the above and no. So it's yes. And now I'll start with yes. Is yes, it's tape, But it could be any number of things. It's like, it's common practice. If you're around mud, if you're around a lot of rain, especially rain that could become freezing rain, snow that you're around snow, Um, you could get things that get into that obstruct your barrel by getting into your muzzle. Um, And and it's a good idea to keep that stuff out. You can keep it out. There's thousands of ways of doing this. They make. Some guys will use finger cots, which is a little condom looking and prophylactic looking a little deally. You know what prophylactic means. It just means disease prevention device, something that prevents disease. UM doesn't necessarily mean a prophylactic. How we would how you'd use it, Uh, put a finger coot over your barrel. I don't like those because they break and they seem to get brittle when it's super cold out and they just don't last that long. Or you can take like a little piece of ziplock baggy or anything and place it over the muzzle and wrap a piece of medical tape, which is what I do quite often over it. Electrical tape. You put a piece over it and then put a wrap around it to keep it from peeling off. I mean, there's a thousand things, and it's just to keep junk out of there. Yeah. The thing I think people are really afraid of that can cause real trouble and injury. I've never had a barrel blow up from from and obstruction, but the stories you hear would be that you got a bunch of wet snow in there, You got a bunch of water in there, and then it got cold and it froze and and like formed a block ice that was like adhered to the walls you know the inside of your barrel or you know the inside of the bore, and you could potentially blow your gun up. Yeah, because the amount of pressure that can build up in there, either that or like a wet mud, like a clay mud or something like that. Yeah, the stories you hear most or something got in there and froze solid. But I've never had it happened. But I just do it because why it's so easy to do it, and there's no negative, Like why not do it if you're in a place that's real wet and nasty. Yeah, And I've had I've been asked that this question a number of times because I've always my whole life have put electrical tape around the barrel of a guy. I mean, my dad taught me that when we first went deer hunting. So it's always seemed like normalist thing in the world. But a lot of friends have asked me about that, and people are always what does that mess with your bullet flight? Does that slow it down? Like, man, I really don't think so, Like you know, rifle blasts and muzzle blast, that tape probably gone before the bullet. Yeah. This last trip poem, I went down and talked to a buddy. He's like friend of mine from high school, and he turned into a Kansas Highway patrol state like swat sniper and I asked him specifically on that, and he said that like the gases pushing forward knocks that out way in advance to like affect that bullet. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I've talked to all manner of of of high end shooters who would know enough to know, and the consensus for sure is that it doesn't do it. And it went early on when I really first got onto doing that. If I had something heavy, like like electrical tape, I would oftentimes if I was in the moment of truth, I'd oftentimes catch myself reaching out there to peel it off. Just that a little bit of nervous. But yeah, I've shot through it many many times. Um, I haven't done a lot of I haven't done like a rigid round of range testing on it to be interesting to do it be interesting, But I just there's so many people whose opinion I trust, who I've talked to about it, that it's Yanni's got opinions by sitting there though so quiet. Um No, I mean, I can just say that I've tried it at the range and I've shot the same size groups shooting through tape as I have, you know, just with a without tape on my be a fun little video to shoot. Yeah, for sure, there's people that have done it on the old YouTube. Um, but yeah, it's the way to be man, keep it protected. Okay, your turn? Uh you boys got you? Guys got burned in one year? Yeah, I got one. I'd love to talk about. Go for it, Sam, Yeah, I was looking at this one. This guy says, I joined Instagram recently and have already seen a few instances of anti would hunter sentiment. Of course, it shouldn't matter to an ethical law by any hunter what others think. But I was curious what exactly counts as road hunting. On the extreme, one could strictly define it as someone who drives around all day glassing from the truck or a TV, really rarely leaving the car until an animals found. Is this actually illegal in some states as a parenthetical clause? But there's a spectrum here. I wonder what the where the line is typically drawn. Mm hmm, you're gonna start, I'll start. I don't give a ship go ahead. This is coming from a guy that does a fair bit of road hunt, meaning like like he's right, it's hard to define if the other day we were out uh me and Yanni were oute messing around, and we stopped a vehicle, rolled the window down, and we're glass and some sandstone outcrops for cotton tales. I mean, let's be straight, if we'd have found one, we'd gone after it. So it's like, right there, there's a spot I want to go check for cotton tails not long from now, and my and and and what I'm gonna do before I get rolling is I'm gonna go and check a bunch of little willow bottoms that I could pretty much look out the window to see if they're they're tracked up. I keep a window mount and my spotting scope in my truck that so if I can just roll down the window, mount up to scope and look out, that's yeah. But is that scouting or is that hunting? Well? I was damn sure hunting all day when I was looking for cotton tails on those these outcrops, because if I would have found one, I would have got. I would have got, we'd have got the kids out and gone and one after it, and we'd have glassed it up from the rig. I think when people use road hunter in a in a negative way, it would be like hut the window shooting out like shooting out of which is illegal. So it's illegal to shoot out of your truck. Depending it's illegal to shoot out of your truck if you're on a maintained road, so you can't shoot from a cross from the right up from the legal right away of roads. So I think when people talk about a road like when when if someone uses road hunter negatively, I think it's like someone who's hunt plan. Okay, their hunt plan is to drive around heater blasting um yeah, eating chester fried chicken. They bought the gas station, knocking that back, with the plan being that they're gonna find something and shoot it from out the truck window. Uh, laws be damned. I don't know, Like that's what comes to my mind. Well, and there's a lot of Western hunters who who don't want to shoot a deer and elk more than quarter miles from the road, because how the hell else are you going to get back to the house and everyone looks like you could be driving along um headed to a place that you intend to begin walking. I've had this turkey hunt driv into my turkey hunting spot. I remember one time I was with my late buddy Eric Current and we're driving our turkey on spot. We crossed over a drainage and we look and see some turkeys. Right. We were actually in the truth be told. We were actually had to a place we we hunt turkeys in a place where you had to you had to to hunt it realistically, you had to hike in and sleep out. But it wasn't like we like, we see these turkeys and we just pulled over once and started to try to work the birds. So someone like, oh, there's a bunch of road hunters. But you know, it's funny you mentioned at the moment, at the moment you caught me. Sure. A friend of my dad's when I was growing up, I remember we were turkey hunting in eastern Washington, and I remember him saying, oh, even if I saw dirty pound tom from the truck, I'd never shoot it. Never. I'd never shoot an animal I spotted from the truck. And he spotted from the truck. That's because you're not hunting, you're not out on foot. And that was just like that was his own, like Etho surround would Yeah, I would never block a fella from having his own. Everybody sets out there on guardrails, right, absolutely, But I mean I've done that. I've done that too my dear camp this year. The first day we drove out there, we we saw enough bucks between our campground and the trailhead that we all could have tagged out in the first hour of the first day, and none of us took a shot because we were just getting out there. And I was like, Oh, this isn't this isn't how we this is how we pictured. It isn't the experience we were looking for. So I think that's what it comes down to for some people. So I wouldn't I wouldn't begrudge folks who, you know, don't feel comfortable walking around a lot too back roads in Montana, driving around trying to figure out where the deer are and then get out and do it, do it right. But you know, personally, I like to be a couple of miles back with a backpack on glassing and feel like I'm you know, engaging with the the environment. The other day, we're I was taking my had all three of my kids and we were going out to sit for white tailed does um and we had a pop up blind set up harding for the yards from where we could part, and right away we pulled up lo and behold out pops from wind row out pops a bunch of does in range, and we still got the back of the you know, back of the truck open. My boy was like very interested in us getting this taken care of right here and now, and I didn't because it wasn't what I was trying to demonstrate to them. We had gone and put up a pop up bland. We're talking about the need to be sitting and quietly waiting and how all this worked and that that they would come out to feed at night and right and then all of a sudden he was pissed. But I was like, no, because this isn't like I'm showing you a thing, and this is what I'm showing you. I'm not showing you this right Um. If it had been like the last day of the season and we put in our time and we're going back after our last morning hunt and out pops them out of the wind roll right down the road, it would be It's just a different situation. It's like and it's like it's not like something that you can explain or or or prescribe to another individual and be like Oh no, here's what you should and shouldn't do. It's just like it's just your eyes just running in your head. Man, should always run in your head. Yeah, I always. I always encourage people to just you know, try wandering around because I know, yeah exactly. I mean that's to me, that's what's fun about hunting is the exploration aspect of it. And and so many, so many people just don't feel like they can, you know, know how to break down an animal that they can't drag to the truck or or know their way to you know, how to figure out how to get back to the truck. And yeah, I mean I understand that, but encourage people to learn and say that it might deepen the experience. The other thing about it that makes me uncomfortab bull is that different people have different abilities, and people have a lot of people have pretty serious disabilities. Man. So you were like, oh, yeah, road hunters, road hunters, they're no good. It's like, you know what, there's a lot of people, I mean, they don't have the luxury man, because of any number of things, age, physical condition, disabilities. So it's like I hate to, like, you know, to act like oh like the I hate to act like there's these like broad condemnations of behavior that exists out there when it just is like, you know, it's it's almost like, yeah, I know what's in their heart. Yeah, I'm supportive of people getting out hunting hard to know something in someone and and honestly, like if if there's guys doing that, I mean, it's that's not really affecting what you're doing. If you're hiking, you know, deep into a wilderness area. I mean, if anything, they're proving your point that you know, getting far back, getting away from the road has been official because a lot of a lot of people do hunt from the truck. A lot of people hunt for the truck who wouldn't even admit that they hunt from the truck. So it's a I think doesn't doesn't affect me as long as they let me get by them. When they're creeping up before a service road at five miles an hour thinking they're sneaking up on ship, they are. I've seen it. They are sneaking up on stuff. Man. It can it can be a were a tactic that works. You know, they take out like a pres or something that's that's that's silent under a certain RPM I don't know. It's like the old rancher man that drives like animals, never scared of the ranch because the ranch truck just drives all over the ranch every day. But yeah, as long as it's legal, I mean, I've done it. I've done No. I wanted to say my fair share, but I dabbled in shooting some deer literally out of a truck where it was legal to do that, and it and p you're on private property. No, and like you said, un maintained you know in Nebraska, and um, it was novel at the moment. But by the time, like my third dough was dead. This is back when they had a booming deer population. We had lots of dough tags to phil Um, it's like, okay, that was enough of that. You know, I'm gonna go take my rifle for a walk, just out stacking them up like cordwood in the back of your truck. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And like the first two evenings it was like, wow, I never thought, you know, because I didn't grow up. You know, you couldn't do that in Michigan, right, Some guys use some guys love to see road hunters because they're like, oh, man, you know that are you're gonna go there and you're gonna think it's super crowded, but it's all road hunters, So don't worry about it, meaning that there's still you're gonna It has the appearance of being overplayed, but it's not over played because I mean, you like hike down in some little spot that's that you can't see from the road. That's a big handle, that's a big anilo put there like a big thing with anilo punt. There's I think there's a lot of people who have the mistaken notion because it seems like you're in flat open country that feel as though when you take gander out across the landscape, they feel like they're seeing it and you're just not. There are so many dips in pockets, and it's just like you can out walk that stuff like I don't care if you look and you see like I can see clear to you know yonder Mesa. You don't head toward that mason same direction. You're finding all kinds of animals that you do not see, and so it's um, yeah, I'll oftentimes get out like think you're seeing it all from the truck when we would get out and hunt the same country and have a very different experience bumping animals along the way, have very different experience than what you thought you were seeing. What you're looking out. Unless you're looking out in a salt pan, you don't know what's going on. Ady for another one. Yep, what's his fellow's name? Before I get Before I get to that one. This Chuck's wondering what your thoughts on the flick, Jeremiah Johnson are. I mean, I've talked about that. It's the greatest, one of the greatest movies ever made, straight greatest movies ever made. The ending of that movie is one of the saddest things. Um, one of the saddest, most contemplative exchanges ever captured in American cinema. Loaded with symbolism, wonderful movie. There's a little little corny moment, a corny moment or two that I wish they would have chopped out splashing around the creek trying to catch a trout. That and I'm particularly thinking like the great character Bear Claw Chris clapp One, a great character played by Grandpa Walton. Um, uh, little little corn pone, you know, but my god, does that movie wind up just being like being a pretty profound movie about loneliness. Can you rewatch it yet? No, I'm glad you just brought it up from going on holiday movie. Well, you know, it might like there's parts of it that would confuse them a little bit. There's there's some there's death. You know, there's like death and insanity and stuff and there. It might be confusing to kids, but they can they can hack it pretty good. In terms of kids. I'm using in favor of I'm usually a little ahead of the I get them rolling on stuff earlier than you're supposed to in terms of what you expose them to. Kind of going explanations with them. Opens up good conversations, man, opens up good conversations. Yeah, I'm not like one of those. I mean they've got you know, there's I'm sure there's like a lot of great parents who are very you know, want to have like the world's all innocent and all that, And I don't know, I don't know what you get from painting a picture of the world being all in the children that naive children's what you get personally. That's my feeling on it. But I have But but again, you know, if I could have had parallel lives and raise some one way and raise something the other day, and then compared him at the end. I don't have that luxury. So it's just gut instant because I don't want a dog on any parents who who who? I don't want a dog on parents who are real protective. But no, we kind of roll out the ugly realities and the beautiful realities. Um. With that said, I would show him, but I have not yet. It's a profound movie if you. I think it's a profound movie if you look at it in the right way and pay attention to what to the things that are said, especially the end when he's cooking at rabbit. That's gonna be a tough ass rabbit. The way he's cook just skinned out rabbit stuck on a skewer ten years since I's gonna be chewing he's in. And the thing is, he's cooking a rabbit out a spit in any any tear. And I'm telling you, he goes and tears off a piece of that rabbit. He like tears off his shoulder, off that cotton tail, And I'm like, bullshit, you raise that rabbit? Yeah, yeah, maybe he is lathering it up with something he had wrapped and foil, and then he's just putting a final little singe on it. But he's yeah, he's cooking. He's cooking up wrapped me. My buddy Ben Freed and we were little kids would cook cotton tails that way. And I'm telling you, man, but he's cooking. He's got a high above the flame. He's got the right idea. But he tears off a hunt and throws it the bear cross, bear clawed Chris Clap and bear claw. Chris Clap observes how he's learned to cook rabbit very well, but still I wasn't buying it. Lance rode in and he says, uh, my right, what are you gonna say about Jeremiah Johnson? Why did you ask the question? I gave the answer. Why don't got an answer? Nothing to say about it? Why did you pick it? Because I thought it'd be interesting to hear your answer? Doesn't it specifically? Ask Steve's opinion? It does, actually, But I mean, I think it's a good movie. I just haven't um I couldn't articulate like that, and I haven't um digested it quite to the point that you have, you know, Yeah, he's coming up from the from the Mexican War. He's damaged goods, he's got PTSD. What's what they'd call it. Now you gather he's been damaged from the war. Comes up the trap all right, but he's too late. The beaver market already collapsed. It's a sad movie. If you're listening property, it's a sad movie. Anyone would know what's a sad movie. But there's some, there's some, there's some like there's some good stuff. So we got one from Kevin and it's one of you guys have already touched on. But it's about bird hunting and like how to pull shot and like being scared about giving people who are just getting used to the to wild meat. Um. So it's firstly, after cleaning ten or fifteen birds of my own prior or with no experience, I got a lot better at the process. However, no matter how to go about it, he's still finding shot in the birds, and he's wondering, is there a reliable way to like give this bird meat to people without having shot in it. So the first thing I would say, like I've been like a lifelong bird hunter out in Kansas, uh and one technique that I just found. It was like taking the bird's hole, putting him in water, and like sprinkling in like a couple of teaspoons of salt. And like when that shot comes in and hits the bird and it hits the feathers, it will like bring the feathers along with it in most cases. And what I found is if you put it in overnight in the fridge like that saltwater will actually pull the shot in the feathers out of there. So understand how that happens, I don't know either, but like it brings it to the surface in most cases. And so I just like pluck it right off the edge of the bird toss it away. It's not foolproof. It doesn't pull all of them, but it brings a lot of them up there. Like Otherwise, like you just gotta like like breast the bird out, massage it down, like find the babies in there, maybe slice it up, and then take the carcass and use it for stock. Some birds, you can hold a breast chunk up to a bright light and you can see the shot if you breast it out for sure. Working Man's X ray, get yourself an m R. Machine. Yeah, run through the m r Yeah, no, no, serious bird hunter doesn't have it's m r um. You know, we're talking about getting the feathers out by A great trick is to stick take a toothpick mm hmm. And sometimes you can pull shot too. If it dragged a lot of feathers or hair into a cotton tail, you put a toothpick in there and twirlet and you'll pull the hair, squirrels, anything like that. You'll pull the hair out and you can oft times you pull it out and you'll have a little bit of shots like locked up in there. Yeah, because you picture like a comet. Haley's comment up. Twayne was born the year the Haley. You know, Hayley's comment comes every seventy five years. Dayne was born the year it came, and and predicted that he would come in with the common and go out with the common and went out with Hayley's comment. Yeah. Anyways, picture of comment when you see a picture of a comet and it shows like the rock and it's got the flames that kind of wrap around the front and trail out in the back like a shot goes in there like that dragon hair like flames and you put it in and pull it out. That's the noise it makes. But the Brian one, man, I don't it works for me. I don't know. I don't know if it's like something with the osmoss or like I don't know, like when like Brian or salt like it does draw things out of the meat, but I don't understand. I don't understand how that would actually expunge the shot, like I was just no, I'm thinking that it's bringing in the salt water, right, like it has to equal when it's in that Brian like that. That's what's going on, right, is that that Brian is penetrating the meats. It has to become equal between the two states of liquid and the meat. And then just like what it's in there, right, So maybe it's pressure. Maybe if it's just pulling in, then it might be I mean it's going in through those pores or whatever there. It just might be sort of plumping up and then pushing out. That's what I was. That's that's another way to get shot out. It's just pimple popping. So that's how you guys might top was for we one time got a moose. We were twenty miles were we flew in on the raft trips. We flew in like flew off the highway up twenty miles up the river in order to then float back to the highway. This is up in Alaska and right where we landed the furthest point we got from any I mean, you're nowhere near any kind of permanent structures. We killed the moose that someone had shot in the butt with a shotgun long ago. It's all healed up in the air. But all these shotgun pelts I pictured him, you know, they moved quite a distance throughout the life. I pictured him getting into someone's garden or something. Was very small. It looked like seven and a half or eight shots all over under his skin and oh that's gross, was it all? It was like, yeah, it was totally healed up. That's totally healed up. And it was just like you could just see it, you know, that meniscus, like not a meniscus, but like that what you call it man like the like right under the hide it's kind of sticky whatever that like the when you pull the hide away, it's sticky, right, yeah, like the fascia. It was just like the babies were just in there and they were kind of like healed up in there a little bit, and the hide didn't have any kind of there's like a discoloration on the hide, but the holes and the hide were gone. Wonder giving it like the get out of here, get out of the old Ryan Callahan, smell me now, like smell me now, Mr. Now. It seems like a real Alaskan move to shoot a moose in the ass with bird shot to get it out of your garden. Should you hit another one, Yoannie? Yeah, I think we got one more time for one more? Um, I just found one I kind of liked we could answer he had to choose one antler game recipe to help introduce kids to wild game. What would it be? And why? Oh? I know exactly. It's tricky. I was just thinking about it's tricky because my first thought was full to just be freaking taco night man, because me can serve regular old American tacos with ground up cat meat in it and it's like sweet tacos. But that's not necessarily helping introduce your kids to wild game. Maybe the idea of it because you can feed them a beef taco and say, yeah, man, you're eating elk, and the kids are like, great, I'm eating elk. So they're okay with the idea. But I think it's guy if you're actually yeah, exactly. So if you're actually sort of like trying to be like, hey, this is what wild game tastes like, I think you're gonna have to be a little more nuanced and sort of pick something that is wild gaming tastes like wild game. You could pick it out as wild game, yet the kids are gonna like it. The other evening, I served just half and to have a very small, like bottom round roast off of an antelope. It wasn't gonna be enough meat. So we also had two white tailed dope tender loins, and I can tell you that those it was all sliced up just it had been done like we do the perfect roast, which you can find in the Metator Wild Game Cookbook and the recipe there how to make the perfect roast. I cooked all three of those pieces the same way, steer them up alvoil, salt and pepper, finished them in the oven, sliced them. I yanked him at like ish, that's no no man. Once I let them rest, they rise eight degrees and then their money. Anyways, that I put a little bit of each on everybody's plates, and it didn't take them along to be like to know that the one is a little bit smaller and rounder. That was the good eating one, right, So oh yeah, they're like all over that tenderloin the bottom round out off. The antelope was awesome too, but it just didn't have that melt in your mouth noss of that tender loins. So I don't know I'd go with that man, because you definitely know you you can taste that you're eating wild game. It's got salt and pepper on it, that's it. But it's good. It's really good to go to the prime cut, I guess is my simple prime cut. I put up a thing on Instagram about this, but not long ago, I had some Mountain lion tender loins and I did like how we I did like like doing the perfect roast as describing the Mediator Fishing Game cookbook, which is available now. Um seared them, seasoned them, salt and pepper, seared him, fired into my oven. But I was kind of running a little bit behind schedule, and like with little kids, and you gotta get the show on the road, right because people got up, Yeah, they want to time to mess around. You gotta get them to bed. So I pulled him out. I was kind of trying to rush things, pull him out, and you can't ey mountain land rare. You gotta cook it, you gotta you know, you gotta cook it to one sixty pull it out. And I was like, damn it. It wasn't hold it too quick still a little you know, you don't want to explain that to your wife? Did everybody? The kids go all got trick nosis? So uh, I had a bottle. I was like, how am I gonna get this done? Like instantaneously? Because once I made I I was trying to roll and I'm like, man, you shouldn't roll it, you know. And we had mild We had mild barbecue sauce um in the fridge, a bottle of mild barbecue sauce in the fridge, and I just put like a few gloves of that where I had a quarter inch of barbecue sauce in the bottom of the same skillet that I had seared it in, and I put those slices and just simmered them in barbecue sauce. Because I'm just trying to get it done and get everybody fed. Uh. Man, they loved it, loved it. But my kids have eating so much stuff. They don't even it doesn't register. You could tell them that they don't have any of that. They don't have the apprehension because they never had the luxury of addition, say the luxury they've they've always had the lugs you of just like eating everything, So they don't. They don't. They're not suspicious of anything. They wouldn't know, Like you could tell him the craziest thing in the world and they wouldn't know to think it was weird. So it's not a So it's not like your overcoming prejudice. But they that was a dish they loved and it makes me think of remember that BlackBerry dish I cooked a little bit which had that sauce that was made out of base like melted brown sugar and you serve it over rice. Yeah, I believe we call it meat meat candy. Dude. Kids love that dish. Man, we put that on the website at some point in time. I don't think it's still there. We need to revamp that recipe. Yeah, it's basically like making Mongolian beef. Um. You know that's my brother was trying to make. My brother, who came up with the recipe, was like messing around, trying to make like some dish from p F Changs or something. His kids, His kids got hot on the McDonald's and uh, he started cooking hall of it, just like how they make chicken McNuggets, and they and they thought they were eating chicken McNuggets. Wow, dude, speaking some good fried fish um I had somehow ended up with. I don't know if it was from a shoe that we did it, if you gave it to me, but the Tony Seas standard fish bredding. I ran out of just my whatever, you know, seasoned flower that I normally have, and I didn't have any corner. I saw the box sitting there and so I went with that and man, just seasoned just enough but not too much. I was really impressed. That's why it pisces me off. And you talk up Old Bay, dude. I'm a big fan of Old Day myself. You're from the West. They're too two separate seasonings. I'm not saying I view it like you're an old I view it like when it comes to like seasonings that you can buy any grocery store in America. There's two kinds of people. There's kinds of people who think you can lump everyone into two categories. Yeah, there's two kinds of people. Man, what if you're feeling like you want to be Authentico Spanish or Mexican. What if you want that flavor you can't. You're not getting that if I'm doing that. And you know what, No, it's not the only thing I eat. I'm just saying, like we it was framed up as either or. I think it was a listener question that might have been. But I'm not falling into that trap. Okay, well, when we got that, here's the thing we've gotten that argument about Tony C's. Someone from the Tony C's family say, I everybody Wright said you say this, and I talked aboutfore for something for a reason I don't understand. When I was in college, you're called uncle times. I have no idea why they sent me a care package and in it, uh and it was like a marinade, and I cook some golden eyed ducks out of that marinade. M all right, he said they were so. But yeah, it's a good it's a good bredding. Yeah, it's a lot more fun than you know. You really ought to learn how to make your own, and I know what you do, but it's it's like, for there's a lot of good breadings out there. Yeah, I don't know. I got a lot of times. A lot of times those store bought ones have that real like I'm gonna call it MSG flavor, but I don't know if that's what I'm saying. Maybe they're just over salty, is what I'm trying to get at. But I just feel like you're like I can taste something that I don't like, it's just too much. Usually where I felt like this one, I was like, wow, I was pleasantly surprised that they did had an overseasoned and over salt. You know what my old man bought by the case. I didn't have fried fish that wasn't made in this season. He bought frying magic. M I remember that stuff, blue box. He bought frying magic by the case. And he had a cupboard in the garage where he kept peanut oil and frying magic and paper towels. It was like his stash. When your mom did those you're describing how she used to do chicken thighs and like she do them in the pan and then finish them in the oven very good. And you do in squirrels good that way. Yeah, And I was thinking that my that magic great. Okay, it was okay, because I want to say, wasn't there a product called like shaking bake people did the same exact recipe with. Yeah, she would work it up, and I should call her to double check. But I feel like she would work it up with frying magic and she do squirrel same way, same breading started the pan. Then she'd take a big sheet pan and line up with foil and put all these squirrel eggs on there and and throw it in the oven. And you can cover it too. That's Kevin Murphy. He covers it and then cooks it on three help tenderize it, little moist heat. M hm hm. You guys got anything to add to the introductory while a game? I'm on dearline of thought, primal cuts nice and tender, just like keep them as plain as possible, but season them up just a touch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like don't let him get the ship and catch up man, oh my old man had to We were allowed to dip dear heart and catch up. We couldn't dip normal dear meat and catch up. Yeah, we definitely have like a this is like okay catch up and mayo meal. For some reason, my kids freaking they're they're they're just as happy dipping in mayo as they aren't catch up. But we definitely like run rulves like no, this one, No, he's just he's just gonna eat them. When I was a kid, I just put cash up on everything. It doesn't matter. You've grown out that, but you've grown out of it. Oh Yeah, I still like catch up quite a bit, but I definitely don't don't put it on my dear sticks. Yeah. I have another buddy who um I got it with for quite a few years, and uh, I was just the guy that would often cook and camp when there was no cook and clients were out or whatever, and we'd just be hanging out and oftentimes I would spend a bit of time cooking up something and then he'd sit down and bust up the giant catchup bottle and just over the whole plate. Man, it kind of would hurt my heart a little bit. You know. I'm like, I guess if That's how it is. That's how it is. You need to take your beta blocker. The last thing, real quick, last thing, real quick. The Meteor Live Tour, Man Live Tour. Go to the Meat Eater dot com. You'll find tickets. You'll find all the links to get all your tickets. We've got shows coming up, various things coming up. You have to go look. And I gotta bor you with all the details right now. But stuff coming up, most of it's already been announced. 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