00:00:15 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of gear Talk. I'm here be honest to tell us co host Jordan Bud Jordan, I don't know how it is for you right now, but here in Boza, Montana, it's negative ten and blowing a gale. Not a nice day to be outside. No, man, Boise is pretty nice. Actually, it's basically springtime here. You wind down towards the end of February and it starts getting real nice, like no snow on the ground. It's getting starting to get kind of patchy in the trees, like little tree tops are starting to stick up, and you gotta start being careful. But yeah, I hear it's I mean like Nebraska where the ranch is man, they've been getting hammered since Samila to December. You. I've been hearing that from my buddy that's over there in the pine ridge too, and he says it's it's it's deep and it's been a real winter this year. Yeah. Yeah. My dad's like, from my predictions, we're gonna have snow drifts in May. So well, you know what, I'd rather have snow drifts and in May and have the snow now in February rather than get a blizzard in May. Once May it's here, I want it to be springtime and looking into summer. I don't want to deal with shelve and snow anymore in May, but I'll shovel snow in February. Yeah, I don't blame yet. What else you've been up to? Hello, man Um, Just been hiking. Been trying a munch new packs, which has been really fun, some new boots. It's been fun, like just going out in looking at deer and elk and stuff on the Winter Range. I like just like hitting hiking trails and then glass and for him, it's fun to just watch him, you know, then observe animals and such. Been shooting some new content for some new First Light items that have been coming out. The new furnace hoodie just launched that you know, I've both been wearing for probably it's been a couple of years now. I had that thing when Steve came out, really yeah, that was like one of the first ones. Yeah, So that thing just came out with the new color Terra. So I've been out shooting some content with that and I've been trying to get into the snow to like show off some of this new stuff coming out for late season, and it's been kind of hard to find snow falling. It looks really nice outside my pictures, um man, I was it was funny. Well, it was kind of not funny at the time, but I was out the other day and I drove up this road that's like, you know, it's typical springtime, like things are starting to melt and seem like maybe there the roads are better than they are, but there's still some snow around. So I like pushed it a little bit when down this road I price shouldn't have went down, and by the time I was like, yeah, I think I should turn around. I got to a trailhead and the parking lot was full of snow, but some other people had turned around in it, and I actually got out and went and like walked out in it, and it seemed pretty powdery to me, so I'm like, all right, well, I'm gonna give her hell. And I went to turn around and like it had snowed. You know, it's just like snow on top of snow on top of snow, so there's like super hard spots and then there's spots that are like powder. And I went around and hit one of those hard spots and yeah, right, like I've got good tires on my pickup two and like I was just spinning. So I shoveled myself out a couple of times, made it a little ways, and I just kept hitting hard snow. And in the parking lot there's this nice big Forest Service sign and it has huge like you know, they're like corner posts, like really big posts. I was like, you know, I have a winch on my pickup and I could probably reach it from here. So I had a toe strap. I put it around the bottom of the sign posts. I hooked it to my winch. Dude, winch myself right out of that thing. It was like the best I thought. This thing just paid for itself. Yeah, all it takes is getting unstuck one time with your gear, whatever it is, whether it's a winch, chains, those traction boards, a shovel that just seems to just take up room in the back of the truck. When you're in that moment, it is so worthwhile. But I'm impressed at that sign. I thought the story was gonna go that you tore down the Forest Service sign. Now you owed the US government, all of us taxpayers a little bit of money. No, I had this thought of if it broke, it was gonna like come flying back through my windshield. Like that did cross my mind one time. But I'm like, well, I'm like way back here, I don't have service. I had my in reach, but like Leah's at work, can't leave till the eve if she could even you know, come get me. So it was kind of trying that or just sitting there for a while. But gosh, I just like I would dig out, make it just a little ways, and like I wasn't even like nothing was really like touching the pumpkin or anything. It was just like that hard snow gets so packed down and it's basically like ice, you just like can't move. Yeah, so frustrating. Do you carry chains, dude, I No, I didn't. Usually I do. I didn't this year. Usually you can like go to lush Swab and get a set of chains and then if you don't use them, you can take them back at summer or whatever. But I just didn't do that this year because I was like, oh, I mean all of our hunts are pretty much all of our hunts are over. So I didn't do that, and I should have clearly. Oh yeah, man. I remember even at the beginning of this line hunting season in December sometime, I was like, you know, it's probably a good idea to throw the chains in, And it wasn't a week later. I wasn't even lion hunting. I was just going to take the trash out, and I have my daughter in the truck with me, and it just happens. Where we drop our trash is there's some dumpsters that we pay for, and it's the way from the house and the area by it, like the parking lot. I don't know who maintains it. I don't know what the deal is over there, but anyways, it was you could I could see ahead of me someone had just snowed a bunch, was like one of our big first storms, and I could see tracks ahead of me. I'm like, well, someone else drove in here. I can get in and out, you know, And I just started, you know, kind of going, and then as soon as I got past the last driveway and kind of got into this more parking lot zone. It's got a little slope to it, and all of a sudden, my daughter's like, why are we moving sideways? I'm like, yeah, pretty much like, as soon as my wheel stopped spinning, work's gonna be stuck. So I hope you got something to occupy your mind while I dig ourselves out. And it was literally, like I said, a week after, I had decided to put chains in and the shovel, and I tell you what, it's kind of amazing because I was in it was solid, knee deep, you know, eighteen inches are more bogged just completely bogged down. You could have shoveled a path all the way back to the stuff that had been packed down, but that would have taken me hours, and even getting another rig in there to pull me would have been tricky. But I threw those chains on my rear wheels and there was no big deal. It just turns your truck into like a little tank and just jam it and it goes slow, but it just, you know, and pushed right out of there. We dumped our trash and we were had to take the chains off and we were on our way. But yeah, multiple times this slide hunting season, I want to say I've chained up because I've been stuck I don't know half dozen times. A lot of times I'm pulling my trailer with my snowmobile, and it gets a little extra sticky because you're not just trying to get your truck unstuck, you also have to do that and then pull your you know, trailer out of there, which it's not super heavy because you know, the snowbill doesn't wait that much, but it's heavy enough where I can't pick up the tongue by myself on that trailer, you know. But anyways, I've been meaning to pick up some of those traction boards too. I would try those. Yeah, those seem like an especially if it's just a short spot that you're stuck in or you don't have to get far to get back onto level ground or dry ground or whatever it is. Like chains take a little a minute, you know, But if you could just jam a traction board in there, one on each side, and then make it the three feet and then maybe reposition them and do it again, and all of a sudden you're out and you just throw those traction boards back in. And I think it could be just a little bit faster. But my new bumper on my Tundra, I put a coastal off road bumper on there after I smacked the last time I smashed a deer. I just decided to go big bumper that would hopefully protect my headlights next time I hit it year And it's got a spot for a winch, and you maybe just have just talked me into it. Okay, Hey, before we go on, I got a question about the furnace hoodie. Where are you finding use for that thing in your outdoor life for like a hunting application. M I use it a ton when I was guiding in Nebraska because it's like it's basically for me, it would replace like the Klamath hoodie or something like that. It's definitely a warmer than like a Klamath, so like a mid layer for Midwest type hunting where you're like in and out of the vehicle a lot. It's super cold temperatures like we were dealing with late November December, like cold wind, like snow. That's where I've seen like the most application for it. I think like during Turkey season it's going to be an option for me too as a midd layer where I'm not moving as fast usually, but yeah, yeah, as fast as far. I think that's uh, that's the place for that thing, right because it's just it is so warm that you if you're playing on hiking, you know, even close to a mile. I think that yeah, for static type hunting and in cold conditions, but you're in and out, yeah, tree stands in and out of the truck a lot, you know, getting dropped off at a tree standard a blind where you're not gonna you know, get too to heat it up. That's where that piece is really gonna shine. And obviously that hood us as thick as the rest of it. So you throw it on and covers your neck. It's the breeze off your neck and it's like having a loose beanie on your head insulating you. So yeah, and it's got those couple of little buttons that like can tighten up around your collar a little bit. Um, I've thought those were nice. I've seen a couple of comments of people wondering about that, but um, I've liked that better than like having, you know, on a regular hoodie, having the danglies own. Oh yeah. The first thing I do when I get a new hoodie is I pulled the string out. Yeah, get it out of there. Okay. Um. Last no two episodes ago, we had Heidi Alan from Nick wax On. We talked about uh DWR. How to get your DWR back in action, basically just how to We talked gear care, garment care. We also talked about how to care for your boots and get the most out of it. UM. I hope that most of you now listening or washing your at least your outerwear more often than you did. But quite a few people wrote in asking if the TX direct washing type DWR revitalizers, if they do that to the outside, are they then not also putting that same sort of coating or layer on the inside of your jacket would then diminish or inhibit the breathability of the jacket. It's a great question. I should have thought about shut thought of it during the podcast. Heidi responded and sets it does not affect the breathability the water repellent elastomers cling to the fibers that can absorb water, I e. Won't coat the inside or clog up the membrane. She goes on to say the only time I would say not to use a washing waterproofer is if the garment has a moisture wicking liner. You wouldn't want to waterproof that or it would repel instead of wick. So if your garment has a like a fleecy liner, right, so probably a lot of soft shells. Even though there's DWR on the outside, they have like a fleecy garment on the inside. That's that's supposed to help wick you know, moisture away from you. Right, That's not something that you want to do with it with like a washing product. You just want to spray the outside. Um. So I hope that answers that question for everybody. Ye. Next up, Yeah, we're gonna roll through some listener questions. Yeah, what's the first one? So this from Instagram curs Parts Unknown says our red dot's worth the upgrade from a bead or true glow style barrel site. This is all Yanni because you haven't used a red dot yet. You haven't. No, no, no no, a shotgun. Um. I absolutely love it, but there's a caveat or maybe a little explaining I need to do because there's some that I like better than others. I ran the Vortex Venom for two full seasons, maybe even three, at least the twenty twenty and twenty twenty one Turkey season. I was running Vortex Venom and it's a very open red dots, all low profile. It literally just looks like a one inch by one inch This is very simple description, but a one inch by one inch glass plate. It's vertical. There's a projection of a red dot on there. I like it because it's a very open field of view and the and the frame around the glass. It's not thick, so you don't lose sort of any like peripheral vision, like when you're looking down through it or around it. It's very easy to stay on top of the turkey. You're not losing anything. Last year I went to the Spark Solar, which the reason I wanted to try it is because the battery life I think is something like five times longer. I think that the Venom is approximately thirty thousand hours and the Spark Solar is one hundred and fifty thousand hours. Because when it is available, it'll use solar power. It doesn't charge your battery but with solar, so if sun is available, it'll basically use that to run the red dot. So you're just extending the life of the battery that much more. Like I said, fivefold, great idea, because there was the one drawbat with the red dot is if you don't stay on top of it and don't change. If you change your battery at the beginning of every season, no matter how many hunts you go on turkey hunt in that season, if you hunted every day, I don't think you'd ever wear out a set of batteries. So that's my program. Now Turkey Hunty season is about to start. I'm just gonna throw in some fresh batteries. I'll be good one time. I seriously, even that morning I had checked it, it was still working. It was good. My wife and I got into a mid morning, late morning gobbler and I was trying to get her to shoot it. It just didn't happen. That turkey didn't come out where we thought it was going to come out. I had the opportunity and I drew on it and no red dot. I panic, and I press buttons, no red dot, no red dot, And eventually I couldn't say. I thought, well, I'd just center his head in this little in my frame and pull the trigger. Nope, missed him. He flew flew away. So there are there are drawbacks like that. Right if you mess up and your batteries aren't fresh, you could have that happen to you. Um back to the spark solar. That thing sits higher off of the receiver than the vortex venom um. We all know a shotguns, when you're aiming at a turkey, if you if you're not down on your stock and bearing down and looking down, especially if you're just shooting a regular bead, if you're not looking right down the plane of your rib, it's very easy to shoot over the top of a turkey. Well, the sparks solar, it's it sits high enough where when I was getting down, if I put my cheek on my stock, I couldn't even see through the scope, so I'd read to really lift my face off of the stock to look be able to look through scope. I could have built something on my stock to lift it up a little bit to get better cheek. Well, never got around to it, so it could be my fault. But one thing I noticed, and again it cost me. I still got this bird, but I missed him one time because I had already hit him. He was injured, and I was walking up to him. I see him at I don't know, it's less than ten yards and he's kind of over this little berm. I can just see his head and neck and it's like a dusty dirt kind of burm right underneath the barbed wire fence. And I'm thinking, well, that's perfect because i can just shoot and you know, even tho I'm at close strangers, there's zero way I'm gonna get any pellets into his body or his breast meat. I touched off a huge dust cloud poof, you know, goes up in the air, the wind slowly pushes it out, and the turkey's head is still there. I'm like, what in the world later thinking about it, because i know for a fact, I mean, he wasn't going anywhere. I drew a nice fine bead, and my gas is that the path of the shot had not yet reached my aiming point by the time it got to the turkey. Does that make sense? Yeah, like it had it been on a target, same thing. Even though my my red dot would have been spot on in the middle, the shot hadn't crossed the plane or the path of that red dot. It's not a path, it's just the aiming point. But the shot hadn't risen up, even because I had shot a plenty on paper. I mean I knew that it forty five yards. It was, you know, smack on but basically that shot when you're when your site in your barrel, the farther they are apart, you know, it takes a bit of travel for the bullet to come up and actually hit the same spot where the red dot's aiming. So I hit low and I had missed it. Could that's one example of last year. It could be coincidence, but I had a tough time shooting turkeys last year. I still got my five or six or whatever it was, but I just felt like, one after another, I was like, God, Lee, like how come I didn't just crush him, you know? Or I just had these instances where I was like, I can do better than this. This isn't this isn't my normal self. And I don't know if it was because I just wasn't, you know, my cheek wasn't down on the stock, and I wasn't just getting like a good solid, you know, placement. I was kind of floating around. Anyways, I'm going back to the venom this year. As far as pros go for the red dot, man, it kind of takes away the necessity to have to be down on your gun, right, I know, I just said that that caused me some problems, but you can test it anywhere that red dot is pointing if you're looking, if you can see the dot, it doesn't matter what kind of crazy position you found yourself in. One eye open, both eyes open, you know, way off the side of your gun. You flip and decide to shoot left handed because the turkey came in on your on the wrong side. Whatever it is, as long as you can see the red dot and the red dot is on your target, you pull the trigger you ought to hit what you're aiming at. I mean, that's how it works. You don't have to be It's not like a traditional bead and rib where you have to be down on it and leveling that ramp and then holding that bead right on top of it. You don't have to you know, it doesn't have to be like that anymore. Um So, I feel like it's allowed me when I was a little bit more comfortable of shooting that venom. Just target acquisition is a little bit faster. It's just like I said, the whole picture is there. You can see it all very clearly. It's very easy to put that red dot onto your target. So yeah, I'm a huge fan. I'm gonna be hunting hunting with it this year, So yes, I do think it's worth it. One other thing I like about it a lot of times on a standard just a beaded shotgun, right, there's no rear sight. It's just a you know, pick any shotgun, there's a single bead on it. And to aim that bead with a you know, to pattern it or to shoot it accurately. With a turkey load, you look down the vent vented rib, you make a real flat plane, and then that bead sits on top of it, and you basically but put that bead just under the bull's eye. That way you can still it's called a six o'clock hold. That way, you can still see what you're aiming at. If you're trying different turkey loads and different chokes and whatever you ordy, let's just say you go and buy one turkey choke, and you buy a turkey load, you come back home, you start shooting it. And if you aim it just like that also, and maybe your pattern's hitting low and left by eight or ten inches at forty yards happens often. I've done enough patterning of turkey loads to see that it can be off well with the traditional bead and vented rib. There's no adjustment. There's nothing you can There's nothing you can do other than try different loads or different chokes or the combination of the red dot would allow you to just adjust the red dot position to dead center just like you're just like you'd be adjusting as you know, a scope for a rifle, and you know, put yourself dead dead nuts on bulls eye. So that's a huge plus for me because you know, just depending on how picky your shotgun might be or the choke is, it could take you. You know, especially with the price of AMMO these days, it could take you hundreds of dollars to get dialed in. Where if you had this couple hundred dollars red dot site, it's like you shoot once or twice and you're like, oh, I low left, you would just adjust the sight and your spot on. That's where I see like the big advantage with it. I got a new shotgun for ducks this year, and I was having a hell of a time. I kept shooting under him and I'm like, what in the hell, And I think some of it is I through high school, I shot trap shooting, and new my trap gun. I have a rear bead front bead, and the way you do that is you stack one on top of the other, and then your clay is supposed to be above that. I think I was so used to that I was just shooting, kept shooting under him because I wanted to see it. And I think my shotguns patterning low, and so I have to like completely cover the bird up when I shoot to hit it. And so just like from Turkey, from a Turkey standpoint, I feel like me throwing a red dot on that it would let me. I could just side it in kind of like a gun and then I wouldn't have to worry about it. Guessing I've never shot waterfoul with a red dot. You have to ask a shotgunner if that's okay or not. Yeah, but yeah, if it works for you, why not? Yeah? Yeah, So I wanna we have another question. I want to roll through it real quick because we got a ton. What calls do you suggest getting for a beginner. I'm a new hunter and there are so many options. That is from Megan Timmers on Instagram. Um, I would say one for me. It would be like crow call for locating. I used to locate just with a regular call, and that bit me a few times. Um, so I got a crow call, and then I think like a slate or a box call as far as like a hand call goes, I personally like the sound of a slate over a box. And then like after that, if you I feel like a diaphragm calls, I usually just get a three pack m. Like I think right now, I just have like the meat eater Phelps three pack. It's like a good range of sounds. And also sometimes like you know your call, Yannie, I might have to it might just not fit me very well as far as like how much air you gotta blow through it or whatever. I think it's just different for everybody, so being able to kind of pick and choose those and then like, but I think as far as a diaphragm call goes, if you've never used a diaphragm call, like I don't think you have to use one, and if you don't want to, if you do want to, Phelps makes one's called an easy clucker that's just like simple, clean, easy to use. To be honest with you, I posted like a couple days ago, I posted a reel of Leah shooting at Turkey with her bow and I called I got in a pissing match with that hen and got her to pull the whole group to us. And I did that with an amp elk reed. So there's there's options, I guess as far as diaphragm calls go. But that's what I would do. I would keep it simple. I would get like a slate or a box kind of whatever and then get a few different reads. But um, I don't know, keep it simple. It's very easy to go overboard with turkey calls, and as Megan mentioned, there's just so many options. I was just this last week and I was at the National Wild Turkey Federation Annual Convention, and it's insane the amount of calls that are available to you there. I would say this is my personal experience, and most I use my wife as the example of this. But the first time she ever went solo turkey hunting, I literally just sent her out with a cheap fifteen twenty dollars slate and a couple of pegs, and she got into a couple you know, setups with gobblers and and I don't she hadn't spent more than twenty minute. It's practicing on this slate, so I feel out of all the friction. I mean, you do have those calls that are like I think they're called cackle boxes or something like that, where you literally just push a little peg and there's some sort of thing that creates friction on the inside and it makes a yelp. You can go that route. That's probably the easiest, but I think a slate call is not that much harder. Another thing I'll say too, why pot versus box is I got to watch some of the Grand National Championships for calling at this convention. I didn't get to stay for all of it, but I think I was told that not a single competitor uses a box call. They all use pot calls, whether it's slate, crystal, because you can just get that much more realistic with that call versus the box. One last thing on the reads. Spend the money on good Reads, whether it's Phelps wood Haven, there's I can't There's so many good custom calls out there that are made here in the United States, that are being stretched and made by people that know how to do this, and so the quality control is so much better than if you go with I'm not going to mention any names, but like the really big box store type brands, because they're not being made here, They're being made in factories wherever, somewhere overseas that they're just not being hand tuned, hand stretched and just dialed in as much as an elk hunner as an el khunning guide. I used to sometimes buy twenty calls in August and start rotating them through just to get four or five good ones. I would just say, don't be afraid to spend the extra. I mean, it's literally a dollar or two more from getting the super quality stuff versus something that's just not as consistent, like you'll you'll still get good calls from these bigger companies, but not everyone is good. I feel like with the smaller call companies you can trust them more that everyone should be good. Yeah, got it, good good points. Um sweet, Thanks everybody for the questions. If you have a question you'd like to send in on anything, send it to gear talk at the meter dot com and we'll try to get an answered for you or our instagrams. I suppose, um sweet, take a quick break, and then when we come back, we're gonna talk about be honest. Is turkey gear list all right, we are going to go through Yanni's turkey gear list. Turkey seasons coming right up, and uh yeah, what do you have coming up for turkeys? Um? Actually, maybe even by the time this air is I'll be in Florida hunting it an Osciola turkey with my buddy Steve Ornella. He and I have been putting in I think it took us four years to draw these tags. Now you can buy plenty of over the counter turkey tags in Florida, but they have certain WMA's and I'm not someone else is helping us out with this, so I haven't dove in. I don't know all of the details, but basically the gist of it is is that we have a zone that we can hunt that we applied for four years to get. We're gonna be able to hunt there, and there's gonna be other hunters, but many less much less pressure. And for me, I'm traveling from Montana to Florida, it was totally worth it to apply, wait and get this better opportunity than to, you know, just go down there three years ago on the over the counter and maybe just get frustrated and have so much more pressure to deal with. So I'm stalked on the opportunity to get an osciola. I'm not a huge slam collector type of person, but I do like the idea of every spring, just because I like to travel and see new places, like going to a new state to try to hunt a turkey. Right, and even if I didn't kill in a forty nine states, if I could say that I hunted turkeys in forty nine states by the time I die, like, that's a pretty cool thing, you know. It's it's It's great about turkey hunting is that it is available in forty nine states, which makes it available to just about everybody. I know that it's hard to get into turkey hunting because there is all this stuff calling gear YadA, YadA, YadA. So there is that barrier. But I think it's cool how there's a very low barrier in the fact that most people, I would say, don't even have to drive more than an hour maybe to define a turkey. That's my only out of state I think. Other than that, I'll be pretty much hunting Montana. Sweet. Let's yeah, let's get in your list. So first thing like vast backpack, like the million dollar question for a lot of people. Yep. I used to be a backpack only guy, and that's because I think I was just a Western backpack type hunter always. It was just easy because that's what I had. So I just figured, off, I'm gonna go Jurkey, Honey, I'll just stow my stuff in my backpack because I like a butt pad. I like about pad that's attached to me that's easily deployable. I have definitely started going more and more vest. It keeps everything organized. I know where everything's at. Most turkey hunts are a couple hour hunts, let alone what you would call a full day hunt. These days, I think the only reason I would really go with the backpack and say, oh I need that is because I'm thinking, Okay, I am for sure hike five miles before I even get to the turkeys. I need to carry all this stuff. I know I'm carrying lunch, there might be inclement weather. I need to carry extra gear for that. I really got to be prepared, and I want the comfort of a backpack to carry that load, because the big downfall is when you load down a turkey vest, you're gonna feel that weight on your shoulders after a couple of miles. Right. But again, I've become a vest guy because I've realized that I can even if I'm going we have a spot that we hunt that it is probably two miles each direction to go get to these turkeys. It's very worth it. Every time we walk in there somebody kills a gobbler. At least we get a shot at a gobbler. And even that hunt, I can pack enough water, you know, a couple leaders and pack a decoy if I want in my vest. And sure I'm a little bit overloaded. But again, when the hunt starts and I'm running and going and I need to PLoP down real quick and start working a bird. I sure. Do you like having that butt pad to sit down on? And I like having all my calls organized. I know where everything is, it's there. Um have you used a chest rig? I have? Um? In general? Like I obviously I love carrying my binoculars in a in a bino harness turkey hunting. Yeah, just it wasn't for me. Um. Some people love it for the minimalist approach. Yeah yeah, I'm one of those for sure, especially in an out of vehicle. A lot our hunts so short and a lot of times I'm guiding, so it's just kind of a I don't have as much stuff to carry, so um yeah, it's been a good option for me. Um are you a decoy guy? Uh? Yes and no. Yeah, yeah, I'm one of those for sure, especially in an out of vehicle. A lot our hunts so short and a lot of times I'm guiding, so it's just kind of a I don't have as much stuff to carry, so um yeah, it's been a good option for me. Um are you a decoy guy? Uh? Yes and no. I got a lot of thoughts on decoys. They work, not all the time, but they work. But a lot of times when if I'm just purely running solo, I'm probably gonna leave all decoys behind and just say I'm either gonna fool you with my call or I'm not gonna get you. And that's what it's gonna come down to. Now, if I'm back in the Midwest and I'm limited to you know, one hundred acre two hundred acres of of farm that I can hunt you, I know I'm not gonna walk that far, So why not having with me? You don't have to set them out, but you can't, right um, and a lot of times, you know, on those farms, you're hunting bigger fields, so you still have to call them into at least the range where they can see the decoy. And then after that, once they see the decoy, if it's gonna work, they kind of takes over. Right. You don't have to call at all anymore. They've seen the decoy. It's it's made them think something and they're gonna come in either to breed it, to fight it, to you know, show off to it, whatever it might be. Um, or they're going to run away like when I got yeah yeah, or one at a one time every season they're just gonna bout face and be like yep, seeing that one already and and take off. So um yeah, that's that's what I have. You know what I have them gonna try this year is I have some collapsible bull on fold up collapsible decoys from Montana Decoy. And they're actually three D. They're not two D silhouette type decos with the picture. They're actually three D and they have what seems to be like some sort of a spring on the inside, and they sit on a stake, you know, just like a other other decoys, but much smaller, much easier to pass. So I'm definitely gonna put some of those to use. When you see them, compared to a Dave Smith's decoy, they're not It's just not the same thing at all. But again, sometimes in Montana we're hunting birds that have maybe never seen a decoy, and so you know, anything might work. Yeah, I'm gonna try those exactly. Yeah, or they see the redhead or they see that, you know, shine glimmer of the turkey's feathers, whatever it is, but it's enough to to tip them. Sweet. What about clothing wise? What do you what do you think in like Florida is going to be like Hodder in Hell? Oh my gosh, Yeah I thought that since we're going first to March, I was expecting seventies. Max. Well, no, like it's still too far out to actually see the day that we can get there. But right now that three days approaching, our hunting dates are nineties, and I'm sure it's gonna be humid. So yeah, I'm gonna go from negative ten and snowy here to ninety. There'll be one hundred degrees swing and it'll be a shock to say the least. So first, I has new hot weather gear coming out. It's still a little ways out, so I'm gonna be using that. Now that being said, I still am going to bring another set of clothes for in case it gets cold, because the last time I hunted down there, I wasn't hunting, but I was helping Steve film the show. We got down there, didn't bring any clothes because we thought it was Florida. Who needs clothes for hunting turkeys? Down there? It was so cold we were using socks for gloves and put in wrapping socks around our necks forget net Gators like humid cold, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, humidity is no good if it's cold or hot. Um. So I'm gonna bringing down snake boots for the Florida trip in. They're gonna be hot, but it's you know, extra percrush, and I know a lot of people who don't run with it, but I figure, why not. I can deal with some hot feet for a couple of days. You know. Again, clothing for Western hunting, it's gonna be very similar to Western big game. It's gonna be layers, you know. I like my wick base layer. Then I wear the klamath fleece, and then I have a saw tooth vest and that's enough just to keep my core warm enough. I might have a beanie in there to throw on if I need to add a little extra warmth. That's enough to get me through that first hour. And what I like about the vest, I'm not a huge best guy, but in this particular scenario, I really like it because when I take it off, it's small enough that I can roll it up, stick it in my turkey vest in the back pouch there, and I don't feel like I'm lugging around a big puffy jacket or something that just takes up a lot more room. Very for me. I have a special pocket. It's actually a water bottle pocket that I usually use for my face mask and my lightweight pair of gloves. I just have a special pocket where that stuff always goes into. As soon as it hunts over i'm taking it off, I'm putting it in there, you know. And that's the way it's It's just always there. It's always in my vest, and it's so so important because gosh, if I ever get caught with no face mask, I just feel like it one hundred yards they're gonna look over there on the tree line and go, I see you glimmering sign um. I think, like for mountain hunting, Like you're just wearing the same boots, just like clothing. Like you're wearing the same boots that you're wearing for like elk and deer hunting and things. Are you a rubber boots guy? Uh? Depends on the train. Obviously out West is a lot more drier terrain, So it doesn't seem like I ever really need rubber boots here unless i know for a fact I've got some ditch or creek to cross, or maybe I'm going to access the spot by walking up. Like we've got a little spot that we hunt where we'll kind of park and then actually walk right along the bank of a river and sometimes even in the river to stay hidden and stay below the bank until we can get up to where we want to set up, because we end up being real close to the roost in this spot. So something like that. But usually I'm wearing rubbers when I'm hunting the Midwest, where it's a you know, frosty, dewey morning, And again I'm not walking far because I'm only I'm limited to whatever it might be, you know, hundred acres, a couple hundred acres just not going to get that many miles in and not that you can't do it these days in rubber boots that they've gotten so much better. But you know, they get sweaty compared to a pair of leather boots. But again, I'd rather keep I'd rather be a little bit sweaty and keep those feet dry then get them to get them just super soaked from the morning dew and the frost. So yeah, I do. I do like rubbers in that uh, in that sense. They're so light now like those new uh what are they called arrow sport? I think ero form, I think arrowhead sport. That's it. Um, they're so light. Um it's like walking around in a pair of crocs, you know, except you've got knee high boots on. Yea, yeah, that's my boot set up. Sweet. One reason I like those late or those uh like rubber boots. It's a lot of times I've got a set of those arrowhead sports coming that are like the I think on they say that they're for cold, they're insulated, they're supposed to be like for negative fifty to forty degrees or something like that. Um, insulation wise is what they're supposed to be good for. And like where we're at short distance walking in and then you're sitting in the morning, like, it just seems like those rubber boots keep your feet warmer, especially if they're insulated over like longer than insulated even leather boots or something. So that's my big because those those big lacrosses are like sixteen hundred grams or something like that. Yeah, and as long as you can, as long as you can keep your feet from sweating too much on the way in, uh, it's not an issue at all. And if they do sweat up, all you gotta do, and I do this often for tree stand hunting white tails, is I'll just bring an extra pair of socks. Like I'll go in wearing a thin pair of socks. I know they're gonna get a little bit sweaty damp in there. When I get to the tree stand, I just swap out my socks real quick and put on some nice thick wool socks and I'm snug as a bug up there. Love it. Hey. Yeah, Um, another question we got a ton on I put a little questionnaire out on the Instagram to gather questions, and one we got a lot of that I thought we'd just cover now is like what shells are using for turkeys because you can really go crazy and spend a lot of money on turkeys else. Yep, one hundred percent. And here's my take on it. When TSS first came out, a buddy of mine was actually starting to handload him and he was starting to do number nine in twenty gage and we were like, what, that's crazy. But the more I learned about it, and when I learned that like a nine has more energy at one hundred yards than like a four lead at fifty or something like that, those numbers are off a little bit. It's approximate, but there's they're so dense, so heavy, so much energy, you get amazing penetration. It was like, okay, I'm gonna go that route too. Well. He was like, sure, I'll load you up some and then and then I didn't have that hookup anymore and had to go buy some and I was like, holy moy, fifty dollars you know for a box. And now, I mean, I think I think that you can there's some federal TSS out there that if you go you know, three and a half inches for a twelve gage. You can be up to like seventy five for a box for five of them, which is a lot for five shots, which for hunting is not that big of a deal because usually you're gonna shoot once, maybe twice. But it's the patterning that like really starts to burn, you know. But I'll be very I'll be very clear here, transparent. I bought many boxes of TSS before we started working with Federal. I started getting the stuff for free. If I had to go back to paying for it, I probably still will. But I want to put it out there that if it's the difference for you of going hunting or not, if you can't afford it, go hunting with some cheap or stuff, by all means absolutely, I am gonna Yeah, I'll probably shoot nine or seven nine blend. I'm shooting a new gun this year, Bretta a three hundred. I'm going twenty gage. My same mentor that was shooting those number nine you know, fifteen years ago, loading them up by hand. He's been shooting a I believe he shoots an M two Banelli with twenty gauge, and it's just with these new loads. It's all the gun you need to kill all the turkey out to the same distances that you can do it with a twelve gauge. And what's nice about turkey hunting and carrying these twenty gauges is that, like I said, you're only shooting once normally maybe twice a day, right, most of the time you're just carrying that gun around. Um, So why not carry out something that's way easier to carry. Like I'm looking forward to when when somebody makes a twenty eight gauge turkey gun and we start in twenty eight gauge turkey shells are available. Obviously, the four ten is a big thing. I personally haven't done it yet. My kids hopefully this year are going to get into it and shoot turkeys with with the four ten. But anyways, yeah, I'm going twenty I'm gonna mount the Venom red dot on it. I'm gonna have a especially made four TSS Carlson's turkey choke in there. I think it's gonna be a pretty sweet little setup. Sweet one thing I wanted to ask you about his blinds. It's one thing you don't have in here, and a lot of people associate turkey hunting with Papa blind h. I own one Robert Abernathy. I think it's called the Doghouse by a Marastep. I bought it years ago. I thought, Man, that's gonna be. This is gonna be the ticket for my kids to help them see the turkey show. But again, Montana, we're just covering so much ground. Sometimes you don't know exactly where they're gonna be. It's not like, oh, yeah, they're in this field six out of seven days of the week. Right, It's not that regular. And so I realized here at least it's hard to get into one because they're just getting bored and I'm not bringing the tablet or the or letting them just sit there on the phone while while we're waiting out the turkeys. So UM, I personally have not spent much time in the blind. I think if I was more into shooting turkeys with the boat, I probably I probably would be, because you know, you just need that more perfect setup, right, haven't come into decoys staying there long enough and then the blind gives you the cover to draw and get it get a good shot off. So yeah, I haven't used them much. Nothing against um if you like using them. But for me, every time I step into a blind, it happens every now and then deer hunting, it's like I just feel like I'm missing out, Like it just seems like it removes me from nature so much. And again, look if it's like like I use it this year for deer hunting with my daughter because it was hovering around zero, We're hunting ridgetops in Wisconsin and the wind's blowing and sitting out in the elements was just going to cut our hunts way way shorter with a full wee. Don't I forget. My dad just brought me the blind. I can't tell you who made it, but the blind with a little mister buddy heater in there. And it took my daughter exactly five minutes to be back asleep once we would get into the blind, which is fine, she's out there, she's doing it with me. If if she gets woken up with the sound of a gunshot, it's the way it is. Um, But it got us out there and it was able. We were able to stay out there in the in that situation, in those weather conditions. So um there, it's it's totally great. But if it's the way if the weather is not nice and all I have to do is conceal myself. I figured I can do just as good of a job just sitting still or getting up in a tree, even building just a brush blind because I just I miss it. Just seems like you're gonna miss birds flying by, or the sound of birds, or you know, you just don't see three sixty degrees out of those blinds, and maybe something you know walks behind me at fifty sixty yards and you don't hear it because the windows are shut or whatever it might be. So in the right situation, if it's gonna mean me staying out or not, I'm using one. But I air on not sitting in a blind. Yeah, yeah, valid, man. We use them a lot for like, especially with the outfit and just the way that we run things. Even with deer hunts, we use a lot of blinds. We've gotten a lot of questions on blinds, and so I think that I'll be doing some like I'll just keep trying some more and be able to like kind of update people on that. In short over the last man seven years at least, I'm approaching maybe ten now. Just seems like the double bulls. They're they're the ones that stick around the longest. Um With like weather, we get hillacious wins that just like break poles and do all kinds of crazy shit with blinds, it just seems like the double bulls are the ones that, um, I have that I've had the longest. So I just wanted to toss that out there. Um I didn't want to completely leave people hanging with their questions that they put in, So I think that that's a that's worth them to spend like a little bit of the extra money to go with something like that over you know, something that could be one hundred dollars one hundred and fifty dollars cheaper. But I am still going to keep like getting different blinds and try to test them out and keep everybody updated as much as I can. But uh, yeah, good list, thank you. I had to write it while I was packing for Florida, so hopefully that helped me make sure I have everything and don't forget something behind. Something that's a good turkey vest item too. I'd like to mention is how I carry water. I use a thing called a platypus bottle, and it's basically like a collapsible plastic bottle. But what's nice about it is it's not it's not hard, so especially since it's against your back and a lot of times you're sitting down in the leaning against a tree, you're not that Analogene or even like a plastic water bottle of any kind can sort of be uncomfortable and cause just a pressure point where this platypus is sort of flatter and just kind of more flexible and tough. I mean, I've had one for probably coming on two decades that I wear like, I have it in my ski jacket, like I just ride around with half a lead a bottle and you need some water to drink, and so they last. And I've never busted one by leaning against it or anything. So it's it fits into a turkey vest very nicely. You don't have to worry about sitting against a tree and then having some hard water bottle pushing into your back as you're trying to work a bird. Hmm. Yeah, good points. As we wrap up here, I want to plug you just had a Mountain Lion episode come out. Yeah, that's right, go check it out on Meeter's YouTube channel. Jake Gribb who's been my main hunting mentor and Mingus's main hunt hound hunting mentor over the last three years. We go hunting northwest Montana, looking mostly for lions. We luck out and find the track of a giant bobcat. Check out that episode and see how it all unfolds on YouTube, and then I think, right on the heels, it's probably gonna be out by this time this episode airs is there's a Texas hog episode where I go archery hunting with Troy Fowler, who some of you know as the ranch Ferry, And so we kill some pigs and we netcrop seat some pigs to see what our arrows and broadheads did going through these pigs. Very interesting stuff. Definitely tune in to check that one out. Yeah, excited to watch it. Um all right, sweet, Well, if you have any more questions, you can send them into gear talk at the meat eater dot com. You can get hold of us on our instagrams. Mine's Jordan dot Bud. Your's is is it? 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