00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Tyler and you're listening to the Element podcast giving me the thumb see thumbs up, one thumb sideway. 00:00:21 Speaker 2: That's right man. 00:00:23 Speaker 1: Welcome y'all, woods people, Welcome to the Element Podcast, brought to you by First Light Year. We are hanging out just at home. It feels good to be home, you know it, h man, it does. I mean, the weather's been weird. It was it was like chilli when we got here. Now this morning I woke up and it was like warm. It felt like, you know, normal. So, uh, we've been through some some different weather. We've been through a couple of states so personally, and we actually have done the ret Fresh podcast for old Mark Kenyon on Wired to Hunt recently where we talk to a bunch of people and they all experienced some pretty good things going on during the cold weather. I'd say that we kind of did too. And I was seeing trail cameras at home when I was gone that were lighting up as well during that cold spell that we had, that little cold front. 00:01:19 Speaker 2: Probably, I mean I didn't hunt it, but it possibly could have been one of the best opening weeks in East Texas in quite a while. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I mean I was a lot of deer running around. 00:01:28 Speaker 1: I'd say, you probably right, man, you know the what just happened? Okay, there we go. We uh. When I got home, I actually hunted an evening and I had about maybe five or six million pigs show up that evening and they chased a dough off. So I can I can truly say that deer do not like pigs. And I've said I think we've said it before on this podcast, you know, but I watched, I listened to pigs get up out of their bed and start making noise, start working their way slowly over to where I was sitting to eat some grass and stuff. And then I we me and Michael were sitting there and heard what sounded like a grunt, but it was so consistent and so many times he was like what, He's like, what do you hear that? I was like, yeah, It's like, I don't think it's a deer, I think it's pigs. Anyway, probably a couple of minutes later, this dough walks out and stands at the field edge and for sure grunts a couple of times and then runs away and pigs come out behind her. Like two minutes later. 00:02:41 Speaker 2: You think she was looking for a phone. 00:02:43 Speaker 1: I don't know. She wasn't really bleating, she was grunting, but maybe that's what I feel like. She almost was like hearing those pigs and thinking that they might be deer or something. It's weird. 00:02:53 Speaker 2: I did a little deer hunting earlier in September and didn't develop anything, so I don't even know if it makes a lot of day. But we had a dough come in grunting like that Cadence style while she was kind of trotting, and then she went over and found her phone. But it's kind of late in the year for that. Now. Who knows, But deer weird, man. We only know just a tiny bit about what they actually do. 00:03:19 Speaker 1: I know they are weird, man. 00:03:20 Speaker 2: That's why I like Ilka this way too, because they're even more vocal. But I feel like you mount here can't make a bad noise on a call whenever, because deer they do all kinds of stuff, you know. It's the thing is, it's usually not very loud, yep, and I think that's kind of the thing that maybe I grunt loud a lot, but it's usually to get a hold of something this way out there but like, I think you can go. 00:03:46 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I guarantee you really like that. 00:03:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a story to tell her in a bit. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: So the the pigs are weird too, by the way they are. They came Michael. So here's the thing for camera guys, which maybe one day they'll do a camera guy podcast thing to maybe who knows, But if they do, they would say things like this, when you're sitting there and your hunter hasn't really put you in a great spot where there's no there's a bunch of deer running around you. Your your small wins are like grade a footage of other either game or non game species that aren't. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: Dude, listen. Uh. So we talked about Nebraska already last week, I believe I. If you haven't listened to that, it's on YouTube. Yeah, we we launched a podcast on YouTube specifically, and it's not on the podcast feed, so hopefully that doesn't hurt your feelings. Uh, but we decided to do that last week, So go listen to that if you haven't. Tarna had some success in Nebraska. I hunted with Michael. He was gonna shoot some doze. Well. 00:05:07 Speaker 1: I thought he did shoot some does well. 00:05:10 Speaker 2: When they do the camera in podcast. He can tell you all about what happened. I can tell what happened to me. I had a camera arm. Yeah, and Michael almost knocked me out of the tree because he saw a squirrel of film. 00:05:21 Speaker 1: Oh. 00:05:21 Speaker 2: He was like went into cameraman motor right away and wanted to go small win and just get the best squirrel footage. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can beat the squirrel footage that Eric got in Nebraska. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: I believe it. 00:05:33 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can. No, I don't think so. Dude. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: There's if you go back into the logs of element Lore the Olden Days on YouTube from twenty seventeen or eighteen, Tyler was hunting a deer, an infamous buck named Teenager. We were doing some crazy stuff to get in on Teenager Buck. 00:05:55 Speaker 1: I never saw and him. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: And I I don't know if it's documented, but the reaction is, you know how they do reaction stuff on YouTube. A squirrel fell from like forty feet up in a tree and Tyler iron this little wiggle tree trying to just hold it together, laughing so hard. So something there's some documentation of that. 00:06:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. The uh, the that buck actually taught me a lot, man, about deer hunting and about deer movement and stuff like that. I feel like that I think I hunted that deer for four years. I'm not sure. I feel like one of those years maybe we aren't sure that he was alive or something. But I definitely hunted him for three years that we knew of him being around, I believe, and never once saw him and hunted him a bunch, so learned a lot about him, had him on all kinds of different trail cameras, but just never never got to see him. And that's that one's the one that, like, you know, it's the one that got away. Man. It's the one that like makes me kind of hurt a little bit time. I appreciative that I got to chase him and learn some stuff. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: I'm kind of at this point, I've been thinking about this. So you ever get in this situation where you're like, man, I might need to like revisit my thoughts on things because you think you've learned some things, and like say, for instance, last year, I had my best dear season ever and I killed five bucks and it was great. And right now on deer tags, I'm one of three for the year, which is not as good. I still can have a great season. I'm looking forward the rest of the season. But I guess what I'm saying is like, sometimes you think you got it figured out, and then it's like, man, do I and how much do I need to go back and relearn and how much do I think that I learned was actually an anomaly and not the case and all that, you know what I mean kind of get when I'm getting at like the stuff a teenager. Do you ever feel like some of the things you learned on that aren't actually true? 00:07:57 Speaker 1: Probably you know I can't directly like correlate thoughts to him right now? 00:08:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, too great, because I have it's actually not at all we plan on podcasts. 00:08:09 Speaker 1: No, No, it's probably why yeah, well and just yeah, I haven't Like it's not that I it's not that I'm like eating my words here, because I for sure learned things while hunting them, but then those things get put into practice, Like in twenty nineteen and I shoot a deer, and then I learned something also while hunting that deer, and then I put those into practice in twenty twenty, and then you know, by the time we're at twenty twenty three now. Like, the things I learned have morphed over the course of hunting like deer for years and years in lots of different places. So like, it's not that there's definitely things that I learned all a lot about deer that I thought maybe I knew that maybe you know, changed over time. I think we've gotten to the point in last year or so where like we started to kind of change our minds on what rubs could be, you know, and. 00:08:58 Speaker 2: Man, we're gonna revisit this. He needs to tell us what it was. What the thing was that we figured out. 00:09:03 Speaker 1: We figured something out, Man, that was was that last year? 00:09:06 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:09:06 Speaker 1: It was last fall. It's probably about this time maybe. 00:09:12 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Eric says, is on the way to I. 00:09:14 Speaker 1: Wanted to go back and re listen to that, Yeah, because it would have been it would have Yeah, you spent in Texas there in the middle of the month and we didn't have a whole lot to do and then learn something about rubs. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the thing. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: I think maybe it was at. 00:09:29 Speaker 2: Fresh That's probably a good point. I try to ret fresh. Yeah. Uh, I think one of the things I learned from your quest for that, dear, because I filmed you a lot on that was. One, don't shoot coyotes from the stand when you're deer hunting. And two, yeah, the pursuit of an individual deer on public ground isn't a loss, but you better be ready to like, yeah, deal with it. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: It's one of the most draining things you could. 00:10:01 Speaker 2: Yes, sake, But I think any state too. I don't think just Texas. I think that if you're in Iowa in your chase, you know, you think about Aaron Warburton. Back in the Midwest white tail days, Aaron was after that Ray Finkel, right, and uh. 00:10:14 Speaker 1: They also hunted. I think they were hunted a big deer at the They called it a gate property or something like that. Whatever that property. 00:10:21 Speaker 2: Y'all probably know. But we used to geek out on those Midwest white tail blogs. Man, it was cool stuff, and hunt Public still has cool stuff. We watched that from time to time. Actually, the camera guys keep us updated on what they got going on. More Jake killed a big deer the other day, looked like so. In speaking of rutfresh, we had Aaron Warburton on rot Fresh this past week. Uh, so go check that out. Came out today if you're listening to the same day this podcast came out. Anyways, all that to say, it's tough to hunt uh single deer on pop for sure, dude. 00:10:54 Speaker 1: Here's the here's the issue that we ran into, I think some on especially starting out as we were hunting a lot of Texas public stuff. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. 00:11:04 Speaker 1: We had our spots where our cameras were where like that entire property had one shooter. So you are hunting one deer. You can't shoot a deer under thirteen inches wide, So you've got one shooter on that property. That's what you get unless the rut changes something, which a lot of times it didn't on some of these properties, like you would maybe if it was a smaller property, especially like maybe it's a smaller property with pastures on sides of it, so like it just doesn't have a whole lot of travel through, right, it's got deer that live there, just not travel through. You end up hunting one buck, that's what you do. So it ends up like kind of by process of elimination and for lack of a better phrase, like that you're doing that and that that. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: Can be frustrating at least sometimes you have different parcels or different places to pop to to hunt a different one buck over there, whereas like with with Teenager, you're about in your dedicated that season to trying to find that deer. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that gets real tough, Oh it does, man. And I think that that's why you and I travel more now to places like Nebraska and South Dakota, because I mean not just those states, but a lot of other states. You know, we can go to public and if a shooter buck is you know, nice eight point, we got a lot of options in these states, you know. Yeah, So yeah, there's one right there on the TV. You know, we're actually sitting here watching a brand new video that we put out that is playing like it's it's fifteen minutes old. 00:12:37 Speaker 2: Are you hot right there? 00:12:37 Speaker 1: Oh? Sweat? 00:12:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, like four beats swick. 00:12:40 Speaker 1: You might have seen seen some of this footage already, but it is the entire season. It's our entire season, the full season from last year, all put together that at least Casey and I were on Hunts. When we were on Hunts, so uh, we left old hta channel accident, we realized, just well, did. 00:12:59 Speaker 2: You like Colorado stuff like that? 00:13:06 Speaker 1: I guess that isn't so it's really just a BT truck stuff. Yeah it is, Yeah, I guess it is so. But anyway, cool stuff. You may or may not have seen them all, but it's worth going and watching and and nothing else. If you have seen them, it may have been a while because a lot of the stuff released in May, so you might need to refresh your hype. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: And now you can find it all in one place. 00:13:23 Speaker 1: That's right, man, Yeah, fun time, go check that. 00:13:26 Speaker 2: Out, share it Horizon right there there. 00:13:28 Speaker 1: You go, Mike. Yeah, likeel Actually. 00:13:34 Speaker 2: That was my fault. 00:13:35 Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, but yeah, so this this is you know, stuff that you can go watch all in one place, like you said, And if you don't mind, we appreciate your support. We always have uh any shares you want to put on, put it on your Facebook or whatever, who knows, send it to your buddies. That kind of stuff, man, means a lot to us. And I'll just say thanks for your your support in the past. Anyway, we are going to these places in this video that we're watching that have more shooter bucks, right, and we don't even have to shoot thirteen inch wide ones. 00:14:09 Speaker 2: Because we can drop our standards and still have a good time. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, we can places like I guarantee you we can. I mean, that's and this is the this is the conundrum man Like. Undoubtedly Texas in these counties that have these antler restrictions have gotten better for hunting nice bucks. There's no doubt that it has worked. But there's also a bunch of you know, kids that don't get to shoot a deer because they couldn't shoot the old four ky that walked out, you know when they had the chance the couple of times they might have gotten a hunt during football season or whatever. So and then there's the guy like me that would really love to go to public in Texas and shoot just a nice buck that's probably twelve inches wide. And if you're being serious with yourself and honest that who bench wide buck on Texas? You know, the antlers on a Texas buck. Body, it's still a really nice buck, you know what I mean. It's just it's just different people. You know, people may not understand that up north. But anyway, so we've been traveling and we we went to South Dakota to try to shoot some of these twelve inch wide bucks. And we actually we did the last podcast in case he was talking about that ended up you know on the internet, on the on the YouTube spectrum. Uh, we did that from South Dakota, but we didn't talk about it because we weren't done with the hunt. Now that we're done, we can retrospectively talk about what we did and didn't do well and kind. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: Of we're doing that. I didn't know we're gonna talk about the bad stuff. 00:15:46 Speaker 1: We don't have to, you know, we don't have to. 00:15:48 Speaker 2: Well, I just it's gonna be a lot longer now because I did a lot of bad stuff. 00:15:52 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I thank you. I think you did some good stuff for sure. 00:15:57 Speaker 2: Thanks man. There are some good things that happened. 00:15:59 Speaker 1: I know you discovered a spot and a big spot, but a spot, and it was a it was a legit to mile Walk. 00:16:10 Speaker 2: It's a map scouting thing using on X looking at places. So we show up to South Dakota place we've scouted before. And it's funny how you go to a place and you think there's a decent amount of public ground and then you kind of like scout it and hunted a little bit, and then it gets a lot smaller real quick because of hunting pressure. Or just things the deer are doing. This year wasn't quite as bad a drought as some other years, but it still wasn't just like a just awesome green fest, you know, So the deer were somewhat concentrating places. Long story short, I had I found a place. If you don't know much about these Prairie states, they got a lot of grand but not always a lot of whitetail habitat. So the whitetails will be in certain areas and you might have to walk across like a two mile cornfield or something to get to where deer actually will live. You know, Corn's cool and deer eat it, but like they got to have more than that sometimes, And so yeah, Map's gotted me out a place that you can get to with like a legit two point one mile walk and then you can start hunting. 00:17:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you told me after you got back, You're like, you know, I kind of realized what we were doing after we left, and I was like, yeah, I realized that when y'all were talking about it in the evenings, I was like, dude, how are these dudes? I mean, y'all, y'all. Legit went into just robot mode. Yeah, that's what y'all did. 00:17:50 Speaker 2: We did. 00:17:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, you were just like it was like no big deal to you, and I'm I'm sitting here like just thinking, I can't believe they're doing this and they're just gonna keep doing it every day the day. So I actually went in and videoed you because I had good success. 00:18:06 Speaker 2: Let's talk about that, Okay, we'll go into that. So you are a man on a mission when we go out of state. Tyler and I pretty much have like a character that we play, and Tyler's character is to kill a deer real quick, and my character is to just make it last as long as possible. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: You like to hunt, and man, I do. 00:18:27 Speaker 2: I'm wired for it, you know. 00:18:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:18:32 Speaker 2: But you went up and had a plan. 00:18:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, the plan was to and we were hunting pretty far apart. 00:18:41 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah it was. It took like an hour to get back to where you were. 00:18:45 Speaker 1: We got to kind of base base together out of the same camp, but like where you hunted and where I hunted, it was like about near completely different, you know, And I had I knew this was a good spot, and I went I guess Michael was my vide video guy, my camera guy, and we went to this spot, so we we had the success in Nebraska, hung around. Eric shot doze and I think there's several doughs that were hit for sure, right, No, yeah, no, Eric shot two dos and smoked him. Y'all get to see that video soon. I think I still got I'm still putting it together, so as soon as I can. We got a busy, busy week, but maybe next week won't be so bad, and I'll try to get that video out. But it's gonna be a cool video. And then when we left, it was the day before opening day for public land peasants from the non residentville and we got to do some scouting that evening, Michael and I did, so we set out. We go get a nice little vantage point, try to look at this stuff where buck betting and dough betting was gonna be uh together as deer working towards basically a food source, destination, food source at night, and we like sneak in. It's like real quiet, no wind. We sneak in and kind of pop up over the top and crawling a few yards and just set up kind of down the hill a little bit so we're not skyline and next to these bushes and we just sit there and start scouting, and we got glass and it started getting a little bit golden hour, and I hear something moving and me and Michael like, it's the weirdest thing. We thought from here to the corner of the room, that deer was fixing to pop outum, and he was like kind of way downhill the wind was carrying that was traveling up, you know, like kind of like hitting the wall and coming up at us or whatever. It freaked us out. But then the buck, a buck stands up and I see them and essentially two bucks are in the same general area. One has to kind of cross a beaver dam and they kind of work together over the course of the next hour from this deep, deep thick thicket betting willows and stuff, and they work past a what I call landmark tree. If you haven't seen these videos, we did a set of six videos I believe a couple of years ago on like some of our best, our best uh like tips where you should hunt if you're gonna go hunt public. 00:21:39 Speaker 2: Land, public land pins. 00:21:40 Speaker 1: It was called something like that. Yeah, And uh, we did a we did a podcast series too, right, maybe yes, a podcast, like I know, we did a video series and Uh, funny enough, I was watching a YouTube video yesterday wasn't one of our videos, and. 00:21:55 Speaker 2: On ex is running an ad that we recorded at the lodge. How about you remember that? Yeah, that was like three or four years ago. In a minute, I know, they were like, we don't want y'all, now you want you. 00:22:06 Speaker 1: When you're young, tired. 00:22:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was kind of the same. It was like the condensed version of that and that YouTube ad. 00:22:16 Speaker 1: Well, I liked them a lot. They didn't seem to get a whole lot of traction, but if you're interested, you can look back a few years in the off season and we did a set of like six videos. One of those videos was about Landmark trees, and the Landmark tree is something that Case and I kind of came we've come up with these different concepts because we grew up hunting East Texas. Public land got to have I said this in the buck Truck episode of Arkansas. At the beginning, when it's just monotonous and there's not very many deer, low deer didn't sye and stuff like, guys just have to come up with theories so that they have a reason to be in a spot. Otherwise you're just hunting the woods, right, So anyway, it makes us more observant. I feel like to hunt places that are hard hunt, so you know, if you're into suffering for a couple of years, you can really learn some stuff. But landmark trees was an idea you and I came up with with this whole idea that like, even in like thick brush, if there is a tree out in the middle of like an old burn that's like eight foot tall, you still will have deer navigate to that tree because they can see it as opposed to not being able to see anything else around them. It gives it a direction of travel. So in this particular area, there's a landmark tree that these two deer worked by right at dark. One of them ends up scraping on that tree. 00:23:36 Speaker 2: And that'll put you in the mood. 00:23:38 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I was not ready to make a scrape for sure. So the next morning it was kind of hot, muggy a little bit. We get out there early, get back to our spot, and I'm like, I'm thinking, man, we may not see you know, we may not see everything. But we had ended up seeing like fifteen deer that night. Come out of all this stuff in this betting. And the next the next morning, we saw three days come back to bed and that was it. We were out there early, I mean, and we were sitting in the dark, and so I was kind of a little worried, but I was like, man, I just think that because I also as it got light, they all of a sudden just took off running and ran to bed. I was like, Okay, they're just weird about being out in the daylight. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: Right. There was the theme this whole week of deer not lollygagging in the mornings. They mornings were super tough, like deer just got to where they were going to be quick. And it was it wasn't even like a hey, it's ninety degrees, let's get it was like not bad, yes, but it was rage. 00:24:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. It wasn't like it wasn't hot, but it it wasn't cold, and it was just they were just in like it almost like they needed cold weather to promote the morning movement. You know. But anyway, the story I won't make it long, but essentially I said, you know what I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go to that landmark tree even though I didn't see the pattern twice, only saw it once. I'm gonna go sit back by that Landmark tree because I actually ended up seeing three bucks carry past that tree the night before. And so I went and sat in the Landmark tree. We had like a twenty five mile an hour wind. We went and set up, so we had like we could get up in there and like I didn't even have to like just make sure that nothing metal tinked, you know what I mean? Everything else is just like easy, you just climb up and do it. We did kind of particular. We were particular about like six but we were particular about the scrapes. There was one big scrape on the tree and I kind of had my just like he backed off the tree and sat with all our gear and I would just have him bring me stuff around that and don't touch any limbs kind of thing, you know. So you guys just trying to keep ground scent and whatever sent to a minimum and just entering from the down wind side pretty directly too. And so did that, and we set up and we're waiting and I can't remember why, but Casey kind of got me and Michael Antcy was it Casey got usancy that we thought nothing was gonna show up because it got kind of late. He had said something that you and I were thinking about and considering. I can't remember what it was. And anyway, so like it gets late, like it's like sunset, and we hadn't seen a deer and I'm just fu and the winds blowing, and I'm like, man, I wonder if the winds got him shut down or whatever. We're thinking it's like, man, maybe maybe this isn't gonna happen. And all of a sudden, like I think it's like five or ten minutes after shoot, after sunset, all of a sudden, deers start moving, you know. And I was like, oh man, so all these does start pouring out, and I'm like this could be good. And I'm just looking, looking, looking, and I look down the wheel line and here comes the big eight that i'd seen the night before. He's actually a nine, I guess, and he is walking right at us. Win's whipping these doz are starting to get past us and or kind of even with us, right, And when I see this buck, I know that he might come to the scrape. So to get a vertical like straight down shot in my window that I was able to find. I had to hook my right foot over a limb and hold myself so that I when I leaned out to shoot straight down to practice this. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: Some good tea you got there? 00:27:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I had to check, you know, cause I wanted to lean out hold my tea and also just I'm shooting straight down, man, So I hooked I when I when I see that buck, he's walking towards us, and I like, I don't have time to look at these dos back behind us. The wind's whipping pretty good, so I kind of like slowly lift my leg and try to hook it back there, and I kind of struggled because I hit the tree trunk and like I finally get it looped around and Michael's got the camera on, and all of a sudden, that deer just stops at like forty yards straight out front. I have no shots, limbs in the way, and he's just like alert. Andybody's looking over at where those deer were, and I'm thinking, oh, he's just gonna he just sees him for the first time, you know, because he's in thick stuff. And then he gets like he stands there for like three minutes at least, and I think it's like a three minute clip of him doing this, and as as it goes on and on, he's his head's moving more and more to our down wind side, as if these does are traveling to our down wind side. I'm not sure that they didn't. Michael said he thinks he thought he heard a blow, and I'm not sure they didn't see me move my foot even though I was moving it slow and it's really windy. I'm not sure what happened either that or they got some ground sent back there, or wind was whipping and swirling. I don't know, but they shouldn't have been down when and anyway, he was locked up for forever. And I'm literally a flamingo on this platform left foot like it's my weak leg. I'm struggling. I'm like, please move, I'm fixing my knees is gonna give out, do the greg leg. It's gonna be bad. So I he finally moves, but when he does, he runs, and he runs to the other side of the tree that I thought he was gonna he was on the path to come to. He runs the other side of the tree and he's kind of getting out a little bit he's like running at these dos or where they were kind of like as if they're spooking in So he's spooking. So he runs to like probably thirty thirty five, kind of on an angle and stops, and I could shoot him, but he's really on a bad quarter too. It's not like I wouldn't call it a hard quarter. It's just like a lot of shoulder in the mix there, you know. And so so I decide, I got a big window. Can we. 00:30:05 Speaker 2: Kind of visit why you are wary of such a thing. 00:30:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, So last year I shot a deer in the dagum point of the shoulder, and it the setup I'm shooting does not want to go into that point. 00:30:18 Speaker 2: And it wasn't like a questionable angle. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: No, you just hitting off forward? 00:30:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, forward, But that then kind of affects your decision on your deer more. 00:30:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So when he stops, he's like goes back to alert, and I don't want to shoot him. I got a pretty big window that he's fixing to go through, you know, as soon as he takes off again. So I wait, and I wait and to wait, and probably I don't know, fifteen twenty seconds he starts to run again through my window, and I know the trail. I've ranged the trail he's on. It's like twenty and so he runs, he's running through the window. I draw back and as soon as he kind of gets in the window, I hit him with him and he does it's you know, it's Wendy. I hit him with a bat and he doesn't stop, and so quickly again by like real loud. I was like, he's fixing a run through the window. I got to stop him, and he he locks it up and actually turns and faces almost directly at us, and I was like, oh no, you know, like I got to shoot the frontel here at twenty, you know, And so I really did take like that split second that literally is a split second, but it feels like an extra two seconds in your mind, you know, and put it where I thought, you know, should be shoot, and it smokes him, I mean, frontel right where it should go. He takes off and he's just like I think Michael called it wheelbarrow or bulldozing is what I called it. I mean, he's just like taking this about near eating dirty the whole way. He goes like fifty yards, crashes and then gets up and does like a one eighty flimp. Yeah, and then I think he falls, but I'm not one hundred percent sure it was. You know, it was weird because he's behind limbs and stuff at that point. Anyway, we pretty much knew. But and then another buck came by later and smelled him, and that's how I knew that that buck was still there. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, how about that. 00:32:14 Speaker 1: We watched him of the buck come over and like smell him for like ten minutes in the dark. So anyway, we had a party and that was I mean, you've probably seen the picture on Instagram. If you haven't, that video, uh well, hopefully come out during deer season this year. I'm hoping so excited about that. But that allowed me to kind of do some stuff and videos some different guys and that kind of thing. 00:32:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get into that, but I want to talk about the shot because on that note, our good friend Tony Peterson, which is funny because we were literally watching Tony on TV right now. We're paying attention to what we're talking about, but we're rolling this in the background because we like Tony. So Tony just published ourticle why you shouldn't take frontal shots on wat til Deer, and I apologize to him because I haven't read it because I think it's foolish. 00:33:05 Speaker 1: But he probably he probably just gives a scenario. I'm sure you shouldn't shoo. 00:33:11 Speaker 2: A good rider like he is is going to play both sides on this a little bit. However, I would say that I don't. I don't know, and again I haven't read it yet. I actually need to and I will because I'm a proponent of a frontal shot in certain situations on wat tail Deer. I think it's super effective and I've seen it work very well. So Tyler was running through your head when you were like, okay, I can take a fronte on this year. 00:33:39 Speaker 1: Well, don't miss left and right was my I literally pulled my pens back to the right of hair. I hit him. I legit hit him right where you should hit him. I mean, I felt like it went where I wanted it to, but when I first put my pins on him, I was left a little bit of where I should have been. And so we talked about this on our stories this past week. But the vertical pen stack on a frontel might be the way to go. And I mean you think it's a way to go all the time. But for me, even as a guy who shoots the horizontal pins, I feel like that a vertical pen that situation could be a really good asset. So, like, if you plan to go somewhere and hunt off the ground and call deer in, rattle them in, or whatever, a vertical pin stack might be the one you take. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: Yes, So in case you're not following what we're talking about here, your sit picture, your bow site, you know, the pins are the things that you aim with out there, and you're looking through your peep site. I have a vertical version of that where I have two Eli do you real they called fiber optic, Sorry, two fiber optic dots stacked up and down. I don't have anything coming in from the left to right in my site picture that come from the bottom. Tyler, on the other hand, has three coming out from the right side. Since he's a right handed shooter, each side kind of itself to certain things. I think that in general, the threepen site is possibly a better site for whitetail because you have three options there that are all white tail ranges. You know, twenty thirty forty is what most people do. However, I like the vertical because it has a clearer site picture. Instead of three things sticking in your way, you technically only have one right and that really opens it up. And ever since I've so, I had a target panic thing back in you know, target pan it's it's woo woo, right, But I had a little issue with something something like that, and when I went to a vertical, I felt a lot better and I haven't really had it show up again since. And it's it's really just anxiety before the shot pretty much because I can see everything. 00:35:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good. Does anybody make a three pin vertical? 00:35:52 Speaker 2: They do? 00:35:53 Speaker 1: They do? See, I would be interested. Yeah, it's it's pretty cool, man, I would definitely be interested. 00:35:58 Speaker 2: You got to watch out with airweight well whatever. You gotta be shooting a fast bow if you're shooting heavier eras to make it work because of pin gap. Yeah, but it is. It is pretty cool. I think. One of the other things that's difference. We both shoot sliders, so you can adjust for yardage if you want to. Most people on verticals, i think, usually use their top pen as kind of like their aiming pen, whereas on a horizontal you're using your bottom to roll with. Yeah, right, And there's probably pluses and minuses to both of those, but I kind of like the top pend because it's it's if you grew up shooting a red rider. It's the same function pretty much, you know, like you're just using an upright that fits in the thing in shooting stuff. So, yeah, you're right. I think that I've shot a couple frontal deer and uh, it hasn't gone bad for me yet. It probably will one day because that's bow hunting man. 00:36:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I mean that's a that's for sure what it is. It's bowhunt man. 00:37:01 Speaker 2: So I've had plenty of broadsides go wrong too. 00:37:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, me too. And I don't know that, I just I just can remember thinking when I shot that deer. I can still see the sight in my mind, and I was thinking back to it. I was like, man, a vertical penstack would probably have helped me because I had to really focus to not just pull left and shoot him because I was covering up all his body with the with the right side of that picture exactly. Yeah. So, And and the thing is, you don't realize, like with a with a deer, I don't know. When you have a shoulder to aim at, it's different. I feel like when you have just a like a watermelon in the front on the frontel, it's it's a little bit more difficult to know how far left you are. 00:37:43 Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question. When you're aiming at a deer, are you visualizing the organs inside? 00:37:48 Speaker 1: Not? 00:37:49 Speaker 2: Really I do, and I wonder how accurate it is. Here's like, yeah, I like, am I really looking at things that the right way? But I'm usually aiming in my head at a like a animation in my mind that I'm making of organs inside of a deer. 00:38:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm more just I know like I've done that. I've looked at the anatomy a lot, and I think I know where they are, so I have pictures on the outside of where that that which, yeah, I mean, especially like the the very famous you know reel that we have of the fifty yard shot with the big deer. I mean that's I I know. I've seen that in my mind so many times and I know where it hit. And if you haven't heard, there's there was margin all around the outside of my arrow within the heart. So another way, center punched. 00:38:39 Speaker 2: The heart it is, I know, like when I watch it, I can tell it's he's dead, but it's it's still hard for me to believe that you didn't hit the bottom half of the heart, you know, like you center punched it with a big broadhead, and it's still like a hole through it. It's not a cut through it, you know, Like. 00:38:56 Speaker 1: So that's wild, you know, that's that's kind of something not taking a consideration. I guess when I aim a lot of times like where is that spot and so, But for this particular instance, I was thinking the things we've talked about, plus I was thinking, I mean, that was really the main thing I was thinking. And I also was thinking I aimed low a little bit because he was on a edge a little bit and he ended up like you said earlier or not earlier, but when we were off air, he moved quite a bit before the Yeah, it was a lot. So I did aim a little bit low, but not like off body or anything. But generally speaking on a frontal if you can think about like where the wind pipe goes through, that's there's a hole there, you know, into the ches chest cavity, so like that's where you want the arrow to go through. You don't want it to hit the sternom or whatever else, right, So I kind of think about that, and it really is almost like a neck shot from a tree stand, you know, like you're basically shooting into the base of the neck and it is astating. Yeah, there was dead so quick, you know, and we've seen it with your Oklahoma buck it's a few years ago. 00:40:06 Speaker 2: You not to die because this isn't like a shot taking podcast, which we might need to do at some point in time, but like, if it hits the right spot, you are literally taking out everything except an a order. Well you could even do that, so everything except a brain, because you can cut the lung blood supply, you can cut the air, you can cut the heart. You can cut the arteries going in and out of the or the arteries going out, the veins going in to the heart, like it is. 00:40:34 Speaker 1: On every neck. 00:40:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, the veins in the neck or whatever. It's jugular final. Yeah. So and that's the thing too with the frontel as well. Not that you need to be aiming for this, but if you follow what we do, then you know that I hit a deer high on a frontel last year and it's still killed him dead. 00:40:53 Speaker 1: You know what's wild to me? What's that people don't complain when dudes shoot rabbits with bows? 00:40:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're hitting them wherever and they die. 00:41:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's like you you could say that a rab Yeah, I know, you could say that a rabbit. You know, it's a very difficult. Like if you took the most rabbits, you have a smaller even if you hit that thing in the rear end, you have a smaller target than what you would have on a frontel of a deer. Probably, oh you know what I mean for sure. And people are like, oh, you shouldn't take the frontel. It's like, man, I don't know. I mean, you should be able to shoot accurate enough at twenty yards to hit the frontel, right, you know what I mean. There's there's other things that can affective. 00:41:33 Speaker 2: I'm just saying over or whatever. But you know, if you don't want to take risks, then you probably don't need to be a deer hunt or definitely not bow hunt or driving or whatever else. 00:41:41 Speaker 1: Hipping into a tree. You probably shouldn't walk to your car from the ounce. 00:41:45 Speaker 2: In fact, I don't know if you should use you know, binoculars because that could affect your eyesight long term. 00:41:49 Speaker 1: What else do you need? Yeah, well maybe you should wear just yeah, eye goggles and masks and stuff like that. 00:41:55 Speaker 2: Don't wear don't wear restricting underwear because who knows what that does to you. 00:41:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, shouldn't wear You should probably wear still toe boots all the time. 00:42:02 Speaker 2: That's a good idea. Yeah, masks for sure, like that one. Uh So, anyways, well done on that buck, Tyller. 00:42:12 Speaker 1: Thanks man. 00:42:13 Speaker 2: He was cool. It was pretty awesome to uh just get to go have the party the first day there, you know, and. 00:42:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was I was. I was glad he was dead because last time we had a party early on we uh we were partying in the woods trying to find a buck that was not dead, and we did the hardest thing we've done, and everybody had to miss their hunts the next day because you know, Jokohoma Jones couldn't make the shot. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: But uh, it's a lot easier. I mean, i'll, uh, i'll, I'll do whatever you need me to do, man, But I tell you, it is easier to miss a morning hunt whenever you recover it to yours. 00:42:52 Speaker 1: Whenever you go chasing one, yeah, you know, and I and because of that, I was able to try to help some other guys. I got to do some bird hunting stuff, which was cool, fun. Yeah, but I was able to go film you way off, way off down you know, the middle of nowhere, two miles back, and we almost pulled off the eighteen thing again. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: Dude, it was real close. So we kind of started this podcast with talking about the place I found and then got back to Tyler's success. I had a harder time finding bucks, so I didn't at the initiation of the hunt, didn't bail off back this far. But there's a lot of things I had going on that kind of led to this. One was that it was not a cold front week, but every day got progressively cooler, like fall arrived in the first week of October where we were. So the first two days were almost just like, man, let's hunt stuff that's not our a number one because we're gonna mess it up. It's gonna be too hot, and you're gonna come in after dark and gonna bust them trying to get out of there, you know. So that's kind of where that went. And then by day three, I think it was the first day to go in there, and we went and scouted in the evening. We just kind of walked in, which talk about dumb. We're all like two miles to not even like officially hunt. You know, we had had my bow, but but we figured out some things, saw some good bucks and tried to get a pattern on them, which proved to be difficult later in the week. So where we went was just was really cool. It was just deer doing deer stuff outside of the influence of agriculture because it was so far. It was just a creek bottom. 00:44:41 Speaker 1: Man. I like that. 00:44:42 Speaker 2: It was sweets. 00:44:43 Speaker 1: That's a big time learning experience right there. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: So it was hard, yeah, like because you know, kind of moved this along quickly. That evening we saw deer going east and we're like, okay, all the deer are headed east somewhere to go eat at night. Well, you go in there the next morning and they don't all show back up, and then all of a sudden, the year's coming from the north and then there's deer still going east the next morning. What you realize is they are just all they have everything they need down there, and they just kind of go where they want to, depending on whatever stimulates them that at that moment. 00:45:17 Speaker 1: So see how you got to use like terrain to just make sure you don't get winded. The best you're revealed, And. 00:45:22 Speaker 2: That's still tough because there was the highest concentration of deer I may have ever been around. Was was there now They weren't there at the end of the week after we'd done some bumping, but bumped a dump. So we anyways, Michael's dying over there. We we went in there, hung a set one morning and left it there one hundred a few times and had deer around. We just never had a shooter or buck within range of that set. And then later in the week, whenever you went back, I hunted and Greg hunted, and then you and Chris filmed each of us, which was really nice because I wanted you to see the place, and I wanted to get your take on it too, because it's always good to just get as many good hunter's opinions about things as you can. Because I kind of had like a what's like a good way to say this, do you ever give like a kid a toy that's kind of a couple age classes over them? Yeah, and they think it's cool, but they don't know what to do. 00:46:34 Speaker 1: With it at all. You know. 00:46:36 Speaker 2: That's kind of what I was like down in there hunting because it was awesome. There was deer going everywhere. But at the same time, I was a little bit overtaken and probably pretty tired too, because we're going in and out every day, yea twice, so you're looking at over eight miles just of walking in and out, and that's you know, a good drive from the house. So sleep was definitely lower on the totem pole than what I like to usually have it. So anyways, we walk in there. 00:47:08 Speaker 1: Chris shot a buck to you. By the way he did, he did. 00:47:10 Speaker 2: Mention that, yeah, that's right man, that's why he's able to come film as well. 00:47:13 Speaker 1: It's kind of a spike, kind of. 00:47:16 Speaker 2: A four key yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:47:18 Speaker 1: Whin quite a spork is Gregg. 00:47:20 Speaker 2: But if you if you watched some of our South Dakota stuff in the past, you know Chris kind of uh as I wouldn't say struggle, but he he missed the mark one year on a really big buck and now he was like, you know what, I'm killing it deer. 00:47:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, super happy. Yeah. I almost happy for. 00:47:35 Speaker 2: Him, me too. And his recovery was easy. So, yeah, man at home in time for supper and all kinds of stuff. Yeah, that's all about it. Kind of like an Eric Nebraska though, that's right, man. And so we go in there, you and I are together. We get there a little bit late because we had a work meeting, which is just the best when you're on these trips. But we were walking in and it was like probably four forty five. And this is the thing I noticed about that place is that the deer were on their feet early potentially all day. I don't know for sure, but I never went in and out when there weren't deer standing somewhere. And it's like, well, so we kind of crested this hill and see a group of seventeen doers standing on the side of the hill about four hundred yards away, eating, kind of oblivious to our presence, which is nice. And Tyler goes, there's bucks or something like that to that. 00:48:27 Speaker 1: I had to say it three times because the wind was blown so fast. My goodness, you didn't hear me the first two homes uh, And I still couldn't believe it when you said it. 00:48:33 Speaker 2: But we find these bucks that are bedded in the middle of an opening, but with their backs up against it's kind of like a shoal is what I would probably call it is as old oxbow type deal where at some point in time the water ran through there and piled up a bunch of dirt and they were kind of backed up against that dirt with the wind over the backs and sun at their back as well, and we kind of like made a plan because we didn't know what time there gonna get up. 00:49:00 Speaker 1: Actually, they were on their feet when you first saw them, yeah, so we're like, well, we're like by the time you look, they were betted. Yeah, that was weird. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: Bet it down quick. Yeah, So we don't know if they stood up from there ate a little bit use the bathroom laid back down, or if they came into that spot, but either way, we're like, Okay, we got to make a move on these things quick because who knows how fast they're going to get up, Which isn't that big of a deal in that country because you can get behind some terrain and cover ground, and also it's super windy, so it's not really a problem to you know, make ground even if you are I want to suggest it, but even if you are exposed at distance that everything's moving, you know, so it ain't like that big of a deal to you. Just don't want to look like a sasquatch real bad, you know. So, long story short, we are able to get very close because it's windy. We get within about sixty because I'd marked him on on X where I thought he was dropped a pin there and did a good job of it. Thanks man. Another tick on that is take a picture. If you can see where they're at, take a picture that's like a human's eye view, not through your binos or anything, but just take a picture that way. When you get there, you can kind of line it up with whatever you're seeing. And that was actually pretty crucial because there were some plum bushes that I thought were way further out than what they were, And I was able to with the wind stalk up to about sixteen yards from this deer because see his rack, his head and a portion of his neck and then everything else was covered with grass, and I thought that that was all covered with a with ground. I thought there was like dirt between me and him, So no shot. I drew four different times. Every time he'd get nervous and whip his head around. I would draw. I'm within eyesight of this deer. He could see me playing today if he looked up, but he wasn't. I was, you know, pretty well behind him and took it real slow so he didn't see me walk up at all. I was concerned about my shadow and it was getting longer as this went on. This went on about twenty five minutes, and finally, on my fourth jaw, I go to let down because he doesn't get up, and I can't hold it for twenty five minutes, right, So I'm trying to like work through that of when do you you know, how long should I keep my bow drawn? And I'm just trying to time it out to where like he gets up whenever I have my bow drawn. Well, it's hard to do let my bow down the fourth time. And when you know, I finally have a not so smooth let down, my arrow dwinks and der hears it tinks a tank. He tinked, Yeah, he really tinked. 00:51:38 Speaker 1: After he. 00:51:42 Speaker 2: Well, he did a big buck thing where he didn't stand up and look, he didn't give me a second. He just got out of dodge as a full jaw, and you know of course I don't take a running shot. I'm not even that risky. But I could have shot him in the neck and killed him, like absolutely, one hundred percent sure of it. But in full disclosure, when you film your your hunts, you you just don't need to do that kind of stuff. 00:52:10 Speaker 1: He says, people don't like next shots. 00:52:11 Speaker 2: They don't like next shots. I actually shot on the neck last year on accident. They didn't like it. Some people did. 00:52:17 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:52:18 Speaker 2: I mean I thought it was I thought it was effective personally. But Smith he loved it. He thought was sick. That's right, man. Uh, the real ones, no, bro. Uh, but you know, uh, there's I had a shot on it elk like that a few years back and I didn't take it. Same deal. 00:52:35 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:52:35 Speaker 2: Just it's something that some people could pull off, and maybe I'm one of those people. But there's an example to set to people who might be amateurs that you and I don't mean that in a negative sense, but like a newcomers to hunting that you don't want to show them that it's okay to do that. You know, you get what I'm saying. Like, we're out there to kill deer, and I have a lot of killer instinct to me. I just I like to kill stuff. But in that case, it's like, man, it's not worth it, you know, it's not worth what all could happen from this situation. And looking back, after I bumped the deer, we went down there, I stood in his bed, Tyler stood where I was. I had a shot to his body. I just couldn't see it because it was in the shadow. I could have shot through just a very thin strip of grass. I mean, I mean so much that it wouldn't even affected anything. And it was right on him, you know, But you don't know what you don't know. And I'm happy that I didn't wound a deer. So that's how that encounter went. After that, we hunted it one more time and considered it pretty blown out. After that, it was a crazy windy day and super cold, and we didn't seem any deer, so we were like, oh, I guess that's that. And then the next night we went and hunted a little spot that we'd found that were kind of saving for the last day, thinking we might shoot some doze, and sure enough, had a big hole eight point come in. I thought it was a nine. For some reason, I saw a fourth in my bin I was gonna put up on and I just kept calling him the nine until we looked at footage like yesterday and he came in to like twenty five yards and it was just too dark. I couldn't or twenty three. I couldn't see my pins. I don't have a sight a pin light on my site. So we were up in the tree, real thick stuff, and I came to full draw, couldn't see my pins and said again, it was like, man, it's not worth wounding a deer because uh, and I fully believe I could have bitten her take that shot with my eyes closed at twenty three. But you know, again, what's it worth to you? You know, shot a nice buck in Nebraska, and I've got meat, and I'll kill some more deer this year hopefully, and uh it should be dude, Yeah, I mean I'm gonna pick up the old thirty thirty one time this year too, so I should be able to kill some deer. If that's the case, I would imagine. But yeah, that's uh, that's South Dakota from what I I know. 00:55:00 Speaker 1: Is there anything else we should know that I'm glad I'm looking we're watching last year's South Dakota where I just tinked on a deer's shoulder, And uh, I'm real glad right now to have have some redemption there. I guess for sure, man super blessed. 00:55:19 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's good man. Way to go, dude, I smoked him. I was looking at his antlers will go, and I was thinking, man, that's a big old buck. He's pretty nice man, He's cool. 00:55:28 Speaker 1: Man, pretty nice. I am just real glad I got to do that. But I'm also glad that it freed me up to chase some birds around. And I actually I was hunting sharp tails and I actually shot my first Greater Prairie chickens. Those are cool. I shot two of them. 00:55:47 Speaker 2: You're cooking one right now, aren't you cooking? 00:55:50 Speaker 1: Cooking one? I've cooked another one earlier today, made prey chicken and dumplings. Yeah. I don't know what they taste like, though I. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: Feel like it. You remarked that they are a big quest. It's like what they are, right. 00:56:01 Speaker 1: That's what they look like. 00:56:02 Speaker 2: Are they gonna eat like that? 00:56:03 Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's see, you're. 00:56:05 Speaker 2: Gonna need a dead gum like hats chili to make a popper you can't. They might make a high openial big enough. 00:56:12 Speaker 1: For one of those. 00:56:14 Speaker 2: You take a whole square of Philadelphia cream cheese and just stick it on. 00:56:19 Speaker 1: That's right. Put it in a half a punk. 00:56:20 Speaker 2: You need a whole port belly to use as as the bacon. Just wrap it. Come on now. Sounds good, yeah, man, for sure it does well. 00:56:30 Speaker 1: Anyway. That's ah. That was a fun deal, man. I'm glad. I'm glad we all made it back safe and we were gonna regroup. I've already cleaned my truck out and reloaded some stuff, and for you, we are regrouping and we're gonna carry on and we're gonna smoke some more deer. So I'm glad you guys are listening and following along and able to watch some of our videos here and there, and it means a lot, Like I said earlier, that you guys support us. Don't forget if you want to go watch that video. Buck Truck series is fully incorporated into one video, and you can watch the whole thing as you go to sleep tonight if you want, and it'll still be on when you wake up in the morning. 00:57:12 Speaker 2: Link will be in the description. And remember, keep up with us on our day to day on social media. We've been trying to be a little more interactive on stories and we'll probably continue a lot of that. We're gonna do some Q and A stuff. That stuff is really fun throughout this time of year because it keeps all sharp, puts us in scenarios, and it's gonna help y'all as well, we hope at least. So remember to follow along with what we got got on this your season, y'all. Remember to have fun when you're out there, and remember this is your element, live in it.