00:00:03 Speaker 1: Smell us Now, lady, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast. 00:00:25 Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time. That's neon o'clock for our friends in Birmingham, Alabama, where the Meat Eater Live Tour will visit in a few weeks. On Thursday, November thirteenth, and we're live from Meet Eater HQ and Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Steve and Cal. Now today's show, we'll interview Sean Conrad about catching world record fish. Then Steve and Cal will compete in Meat Eater's Price Is Right, And finally we'll interview Steve Powell, the co owner of North American Diving Dogs. 00:00:57 Speaker 1: Gonna whoop your ass Steve. 00:00:58 Speaker 2: There we go, Ella, you got you got something to talk about here first before we do the rest of the show. 00:01:03 Speaker 3: Yeah. If people are wondering why I'm why I'm dicking with my phone, it's our our friend and colleague Dave Smith at you know, Dave Smith Decoy's sent this thing this morning. There's a hunter who's a good friend of Dave's named Devin Dobek, who on October thirty sent a satellite text message in mount Hood National Forests sent it on October thirty at seven pm, sent a satellite text message saying he'd killed a buck. It was going to take a while to pack it out. No one's heard from him since, so hundreds of volunteer searchers, search and rescue Sheriff's department can't find them. They're going to call off the search. Dave sent me a GoFundMe link because the family really would want some closure here. 00:01:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been two weeks. 00:01:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they're trying to raise money for to keep people in the field, could have her dogs like whatever. You know. 00:02:07 Speaker 2: What's the go fundme called? 00:02:08 Speaker 3: And Dave's been helping out on it. Man, I think it's called Help Find Devon Dobek mount Hood National Forest, Fish Creek. That's gotta be what it's called, right, cal, I mean if that's the big title, Yeah, help Find Devon Dobek d e v O N d O b e K. I'm trying to right now put a thing on Instagram about it. 00:02:31 Speaker 1: Can we put a link in the chat? Phil? Does that work? 00:02:34 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:02:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll find a link, a share link and put it in there. 00:02:37 Speaker 3: So Dave's been volunt Dave's been volunteering in the search. Oh just. 00:02:44 Speaker 2: What a feeling sad story. If you go to the GoFundMe, you can try to help bring Devon home. 00:02:49 Speaker 3: So that's what I'm doing right now. 00:02:50 Speaker 2: All right, we are deep in the bullpen of media radio host today. It was supposed to be Randall in cal seat, and then yesterday afternoon and Randall said, boy, I'd really like to go to your hunting Corey. Could you co host tomorrow? Corey said yeah, I'll do that. And then last night at like nine pm, Corey texted and he said, uh, hey, I would really like to go Elk hunting in the morning. Cal. Can you host? Cal? Would you tell? 00:03:16 Speaker 5: Him? 00:03:17 Speaker 3: Said? 00:03:17 Speaker 1: No problem? 00:03:17 Speaker 2: And no problem. So we're on our our third relief host here today, Ryan Callahan taking over for Randall, taking over for Corey. And I've heard some good news from Corey this morning. He killed a bull. 00:03:29 Speaker 3: H thank god. He's getting a little powdery looking yesterday he's looking a little. 00:03:35 Speaker 1: But I think that's yeah, I don't know, I think that's awesome. You got to got to chip in where he can get in the woods. 00:03:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, Steve has really created a culture around here skipping work to go hunting. Yeah, so. 00:03:49 Speaker 3: You are like a no hunting rule until until Steve's tagged out. 00:03:54 Speaker 1: No, it's it's the adult culture of get your stuff done court, don't taking a hassle for somebody else. 00:04:01 Speaker 3: But yeah, you were here, didn't you get a powery feeling off Cordy. Corey been helping a lot of other people feel their fill their freezer. 00:04:09 Speaker 1: True help another. 00:04:11 Speaker 3: He didn't say like, bye, golly, I've been helping other people. 00:04:15 Speaker 5: Fil I think Corey's Corey's earned the right to be a little snippy. He's he's such a he helps out everyone he does. 00:04:21 Speaker 3: That's coming from the king of Snip over. 00:04:23 Speaker 5: There too, proud of that title. 00:04:28 Speaker 2: So as we as we sit here, Corey right now is on a mountain. He was texting me with satellite texts this morning. Maybe he'll join us later on the show if you can get some good cell signal and we'll get that first look at a bully. 00:04:41 Speaker 3: Dude just having such a technical struggle. Go ahead, keep doing the show. I'm almost with. 00:04:46 Speaker 2: You, okay, uh, I just got home from a haunt, Steve. You just got home from a haunt. Cal I'm sure you're either coming or going from a haunt right now. Can I tell you boys about the time I killed the biggest buck of my life? Yeah, just the big biggest buck of my life. 00:05:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, all those big old white tails you got. 00:05:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm flattered to think you killed that. I killed bigger deer than that before. That's that's my biggest I just. 00:05:11 Speaker 3: Feel like you guys in South Dakota shot all those giant white tales all the time. 00:05:14 Speaker 2: I mean, not not as big as this one. 00:05:16 Speaker 3: I'm about getting wrapped up over here. But keep going. 00:05:20 Speaker 2: The hunt story itself not that terribly interesting. I think the interesting part is how I got access to this place. This was just a door knock. 00:05:28 Speaker 1: I went to tell that. 00:05:30 Speaker 2: Well, I got permission here last year. This year, I was trying to get this permission again, struggled to get a hold of the land owner. From what I gathered, they were snowbirds, So my landline phone number I had was not reaching them. The letter I wrote them was not reaching them. I just need to confirm that I could hunt there exactly. 00:05:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you didn't want to do that. Well, you gave me permission one time, a long time ago. Before I'll hunt the rest of my life. 00:05:54 Speaker 2: That that doesn't fly. So I was desperate to get in touch with these folks. I did something I've never done before. I found out, uh, their adult child who lived in another state. 00:06:04 Speaker 3: Uh. 00:06:05 Speaker 2: And I figured out where they worked, and I took a guess as to what their work email could be. And I reached out to that person and I opened the email. 00:06:13 Speaker 3: But retraining order. 00:06:15 Speaker 1: I said, So I slept in the parking lot. So I told them home. 00:06:20 Speaker 3: I put myself in a large box. 00:06:22 Speaker 2: That's right, their oldest child. I opened the email by saying, uh, let me put this out there first. I think what I'm doing is very inappropriate by reaching out to you here at your work email. Uh, this is you know who I am. I got permission for your parents last year. I'm trying to get permission again. It all worked out. I got in touch with them just hours later because of that. And and then I went and I killed my biggest dear ever that that Phil has a few pictures of this Mulely was was coming off of a winter week. 00:06:53 Speaker 3: Wouldn't have gotten that. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: What what do you wish I got? 00:06:57 Speaker 3: I wish I knew he was just still out there, you. 00:06:59 Speaker 1: Know, what kind of interesting because that's a young face to me, but great forks. 00:07:04 Speaker 2: I mean I he had an enormous body, the biggest body of of any deer that I've ever dealt with. So I I don't think that that was a. 00:07:14 Speaker 3: Aren't too jealous before you? I'm jealous for you? What's it call when you just don't when you just see something in the makeshift set? 00:07:21 Speaker 1: Right? 00:07:22 Speaker 3: Jealousy? 00:07:22 Speaker 2: Jealousy? Okay? Yeah, yeah, so so very thrillout. I'm squirrel something that that happened there was I got the worst case of buck fever I've had quite a while. Yeah, Like, when do you guys not get buck fever anymore? 00:07:37 Speaker 1: Certain circumstances. I like what I'll tell you, Like, I can feel it creeping in and there's a mental decision to cave to it or block it out. 00:07:46 Speaker 2: I agree with you this this buck in particular. Thankfully, the moments of me realizing just how big he was were very brief between me me learning that and me shooting him. So the buck fever set in and I autumn and it didn't build up. The worst buck fever I'd ever had in my life was my previously biggest deer. I killed with my bow and I had to watch that deer walk in for a half hour before I could shoot. I was an absolute wreck by the time he got there, just totally shaking, on the verge of falling out of my tree. I didn't know that a person can feel that way for that long until that happened. But this this deer was a reminder of like what the shakes can really feel like. Yeah, yeah, you said sometimes it happens, cal. 00:08:30 Speaker 1: Oh, for I think all the time. It happens if you allow it, allow it to happen. 00:08:35 Speaker 2: It's kind of fun. Though when it happened, it is like healthy. 00:08:39 Speaker 1: Well it's a drug, right, it's adrenaline. And I yeah, I had this amazing, very brutal hunt with just like glimpses of deer in a hard spot, and then found this pocket a deer and they're like four bucks, thank god, were like somewhere in like the eight to a dozen deer total. It was like all the deer in on this mountain, We're in this one little crevice and lo and behold, there's this three point mule deer buck in there that is like one of the heaviest deer I've ever seen. To this day, just like all bronzed up mountain buck big around as my wrists and. 00:09:19 Speaker 3: The zandlers, yeah, and. 00:09:23 Speaker 1: The deer start filtering through this little pocket. There's all these openings, and everybody's like coming out and stopping in this opening and coming out and stopping in this opening, and coming out and stopping in this opening. And he comes right up to the edge of the opening and I'm like, totally set up, rock solid, very close, and I mean, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. I shot the opening. I was like here he comes back, and I'm like, oh my god. Yeah, and you know, mentally, like you know, like they don't know exactly where it's coming from. They heard a big ou noise, a big smack in front of him. I had time to shoot this buck again, and I was so I was beating myself up so hard immediately. Yeah, as he was going over the crest of the ridge, which was only like a two hundred yard shot at that point, like I was on him. I was solid. It was a moving shot, but it was like that going away thing, and I just knew I could kill him, and I said, you don't deserve this, And I didn't pull the trigger. I was so, so so pissed at myself. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve buck Fever, when's the last time you felt it? 00:10:36 Speaker 5: Oh? 00:10:36 Speaker 3: Can I tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something funny first, because this pertains what I'm gonna say. My wife likes to hike up the m hill Okay, and she took our little boy up there last week. I think it was last week. Anyways, he was talking about how he always feels so good when he hikes up the hill. Oh, and she said, your body is releasing endorphins from the exercise. And he said, and you want to know what endorphins are? And he said, well, if they're good, why would it release. 00:11:02 Speaker 2: Them at you there? 00:11:06 Speaker 3: So I have like a pet theory about this that I feel that there is a finite amount of whatever it is that gives you buck beebrol. 00:11:18 Speaker 2: You've exhausted it, no, No, but. 00:11:20 Speaker 3: I've used a lot of it up and I think that people are born with varying degrees of it. Some people are born with an enormous well right that they just can't use. I have just personally I felt over the years that like whatever gland it is that like makes a thing, it is getting old, yeah, or it's running out. 00:11:42 Speaker 1: And there's that finite and it just doesn't do it. 00:11:44 Speaker 3: It doesn't like squirt as much out as it did when I was young. And it still gives a little squirt, yeah, but I feel like in a decade at this going rate, man, it'll be be squirted out. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: I don't like that. You told us that. 00:11:59 Speaker 3: That's just a theory. I don't know. I just feel like it's like like the surge, Yeah, it doesn't work as good as it once did, you know. 00:12:09 Speaker 1: Buddy mine and like he's in the super adventurous, very dangerous whitewater kayaking community doing first descents and crazy stuff, and there's you know, it's not a huge community, but there's there's plenty of folks and there's a lot of folks that get in the water and they practice their role just to kind of like loosen up and get in the mental space. And he's like, won't catch me doing that. That's the stupidest thing in the world. Why, Because he's he firmly believes that you have a finite amount of roles, and he's like, why would you waste one when you don't need it? 00:12:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve has been guiding some of his kids to deer lately, do they do they get buck fever real bad? 00:12:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, my daughter has a peculiar kind of of buck fever and hanging out with kids. I feel like it's like, I feel like it's more calm. I notice very small sample set. I think it's more common in girls than boys. She likes to explore verbally, explore whatever. She likes to spend a lot of time on what could go wrong and likes to cover off her Part of her process is covering off on what could go wrong and how to prevent it. This is not a thing that designed my boys minds. Oh, that is very far outside of their heads, like kicking around what could go wrong? How can we prevent it? They are not, that's not on their minds. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: Are they already thinking about the opposite, like them holding the antlers? 00:13:44 Speaker 3: They don't. I don't know that they think that much. I don't know they think that much. My daughters. What if we get what if what if it falls over but we can't find it, What if we hit it in the leg? What if we emit? Like she wants to cover it all off. And it's a form of and it's a little bit it's it's a little buck fevery. Yeah, you know, it's a little buck fevery. 00:14:03 Speaker 2: It's fun though. Yeah, even even if it's like the stakes feel lower and you're shooting a dough or something, just like the the moments of knowing it's gonna happen and thinking like everything is going to change after I pulled the trigger. That's that's very exciting to experience. 00:14:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, Archie Elk, I did a great job of just like blocking off the endorphin situation because I would just get in this mindset of like Broadside Elk meet in the freezer, then I can go mule deer hunt, and I'm like, it's gonna be a lot of work, it's gonna suck. You're stupid for doing this, and just beat down any feelings of like excitement and adrenaline and well, and then I would let that come in afterwards and be like, wow, that was really neat. But now, you stupid idiot, you have to pack this thing out. 00:14:56 Speaker 2: I get advanced buck fever to the point where I will sleep worse the night before if I know like it's going to be a good haunt tomorrow. I just I love that that little bit of stress that like when the sun comes up, it's going to be good. 00:15:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have. Yeah, there's a lot of anxiety in hunting for me as far as like, oh god, how many trucks are going to be at the trailhead? 00:15:19 Speaker 3: And did. 00:15:22 Speaker 1: I told you guys before? Like where I lived in Idaho, I lived like on the main artery for a huge drainage, and unless you were part of the maybe hundred people that lived upstream of me, you had to drive past my place. And no matter how tired, wet, cold, whatever, I got in, what terrible condition I had put myself in the night before. If I heard a vehicle go up that road at four am, there was like there was no sleep to where you're going. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ye yeah, his deer, his elk. 00:16:00 Speaker 3: I've noticed that. 00:16:00 Speaker 6: Man. 00:16:01 Speaker 3: I know you probably want to move on, But I've developed this problem where it no matter who I see, I could be doing the most esoteric, weirdest thing in the weirdest thing in the world. If I see in our car, I have in my head that they're doing what I'm doing. Meaning if we're like mushroom hunting and I see a car pulled over, some of the bitches mushroom hunting, you'll be like, is he though, or like anything if we're if we're setting beaver traps, I see a truck some of the bitches beaver trap, I'm like, oh, no, he's just like dude walking the dog. Yeah, but my head immediately puts it that we have the same motivation. 00:16:33 Speaker 2: Sure makes you want it real bad. 00:16:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and all and realistically, in all the years I've hunted morels outside of hunting burns, because burns everybody knows about it. And all the years i've hunted morells, I have one time been hunting moreles and actually encountered a morell hunter one time in my entire life. 00:16:53 Speaker 2: Do you verbalize that fear to your kids when you guys are out looking for mushrooms, like, oh, these evil people who just pulled over? 00:17:00 Speaker 4: No? 00:17:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, no I do. I just because I'm trying to train him to be paranoid about morel's. You know, last weekend, that's good. 00:17:07 Speaker 1: My buddy kid is chomping at the bit to go on a big hike for mule deer, and I was like, great, I'm your guy. Let's go clear it with his dad. And I'm like, hey, there's we're driving down to this spot that he wants to go to. I'm like, hey, there's a seventy percent chance that there's going to be another truck at this trailhead. If that's the case, do you want to go check out this other spot or this other spot? Like you got to be thinking about that, and and he's like, yeah, I think there's going to be somebody there too, but let's go check it out. So we drive in there, and sure enough, there's one truck at this trailhead and there's quite a bit of country there. But I was like, I don't really want to go. I'm like, but it's up to you. I wasn't even carrying a gun. And he's like, no, I I think I think we should still go. I was like, okay, I was a little uncomfortable with it, but I'm like, you know, this is your hunt. I'm just in support. And we go hiking in there, and uh, not too far in there, come around the corner and I glass up this guy and we had just talked about how we were going to hike because I'm like, now you got to account for this other other truck. We don't know where they are. The Wind's going like this, but this is really hard. This isn't as hard. Chances are this person went up to not hard way, so maybe we should go up the hard way. Stuff like that. And I glass over and this dude's dressing out a deer and I'm like, I'm like, well, perfect, And then I start looking and I'm like, oh, that's a big horn sheet. 00:18:46 Speaker 3: Oh that was the guy. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I was like, and that's what I was like. Oh my gosh, I felt so bad about being next to another truck. I feel so much better now, congratulations. 00:18:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't doing what you were now looking for sheep. That day, someone in the chat is suggesting that we take beta blockers to get rid of it. 00:19:07 Speaker 3: I've heard of that. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: I don't want him. 00:19:08 Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not always looking for I'm just looking for reasons and not take drugs. 00:19:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, different points in our lives. Yeah, give me more of it. 00:19:23 Speaker 1: That's how filter turns in those killer performances. Blockers. Yeah, it's just well, the whole theater thing. It's all about your uppers and down they are. They are. 00:19:32 Speaker 5: I've never part partaken, partook, but they are a thing. 00:19:36 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm betraying a confidence. But our first live tour Chester took some because he wasn't loving how. 00:19:42 Speaker 3: He'd get up there get whole verses. 00:19:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, like like two shows into the tour. Uh, he just got some beta blockers and that was what he wrote those the rest of the tour. 00:19:53 Speaker 1: Stage God, rock and roll. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: I mean, if they were like let's say you're if they were so instant, you know what it'd be like, you'd tie off with some surgical tune me and have like a needle and ship and then you look and here comes down the trail. If you can just like mainline and just like instant bait bla. But what are you supposed to do every day? Pop on at like three pm? 00:20:15 Speaker 2: That's just down opener. Yeah you know, I mean. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's just part of my process. 00:20:21 Speaker 3: Got ivy bag hang. 00:20:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, your ozone machine or your iv that's right. 00:20:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. We're gonna move on with the show to our first interview. Joining us on the line now is Sean Conrad. Him and his twin brother Adam have caught fourteen world record fish. Sean, Welcome to the show. 00:20:47 Speaker 3: Is that possible? 00:20:48 Speaker 2: We're gonna find out how we going, Sean, you currently hold the world record for rainbow trout and burbot. No, I want to hear both those fishing stories. But first let's start with the burbot world record. You said on March twenty seventh, twenty ten. Take us back to that day. 00:21:05 Speaker 6: Well, it actually started two months beforehand, where actually a guy caught and released that same fish and didn't realize it was a world record. So once Adam and I saw that he had weighed just under twenty five pounds sake, I think he thought the world record was twenty eight. So obviously, my brother and I every weekend I lived in Alberta, I would travel to Saskatchewan every weekend I could until we caught that fish. 00:21:32 Speaker 3: You guys were targeting at like you're targeting a specific fish. 00:21:35 Speaker 6: Yes, because it had like certain marks on it wasn't a certain area. We had probably caught over a hundred berbot in about a month and a half and then slept in my truck on the twenty sixth and woke up at eight in the morning and went back fishing and caught him at ten o'clock in the morning. 00:21:53 Speaker 2: Wow, what secrets can you tell us about catching that fish. As far as bait you were using, it is you were targeting stuff like that. 00:22:03 Speaker 6: We usually target them in like drop offs and uh and holes, but we used bait on bottom Cisco's Harrying smelts, whatever you have at the time, and you literally just bait and wait for those fish. And we tried, you know, we would try like four or five different areas, and we actually caught that fish in an area that we never really started burbot fishing then, and now that's one of our favorite spots. 00:22:30 Speaker 3: Do you set are you setting tip ups or rod? 00:22:33 Speaker 6: And real, well, this was actually open water, in flowing water in a river in March. 00:22:39 Speaker 2: See okay, yeah, Sean, Do you get any kind of buck fever when you're reeling in one of these giant fish that may or may not be the next world record. 00:22:48 Speaker 6: I remember hooking that fish and I had thrown my rod out and I was eating a salad when you catch a fish, and my rod just kept bouncing like in the current, and I'm like, why is it bouncing? Why is it not stopping? And that fish must have ate it on the drop or when it's just got there. And then I knew when I was really and I saw it. It it got me pretty nervous. I knew I had the world record on and got in the net and I just had a big sigh of relief. And actually the guy that had caught that fish two months ago was on shore and he asked me how it wasn't, like, well, we got we got the fish we were after. And he's like, no, way, that is amazing a fishing or fishing in a boat. This was this picture was taken on a bank, but we were in a boat. 00:23:34 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay, we're looking at a picture of that world record right now. 00:23:39 Speaker 3: Now. 00:23:40 Speaker 2: I noticed that all of your burbot records are from March. What is it about that month that makes burbot fishing so good? 00:23:47 Speaker 6: March is when they start to spawn. They're at their fattest with the eggs. If you can get those fish before they spawn out, they're the heaviest they'll ever be, and they start congregating in March. In certain areas, you'll get ninety percent of the fish in like a five percent area of the lake, and then you could just target and catch quite a bit more, and you just keep weed throwing them until you get your big one. 00:24:12 Speaker 3: Do you guys eat burbot? 00:24:14 Speaker 6: Yes, delicious. The five to ten pounders are our favorite. 00:24:19 Speaker 3: Got it? 00:24:20 Speaker 6: You just get You don't get as much meat as you would off a walleye, but you get the backstraps, tail meat. If they're big enough, you can take the belly meat. 00:24:27 Speaker 1: So yeah, I do that. Belly meat's pretty fantastic. You fry that stuff. 00:24:32 Speaker 6: Yeah, cuts cut it in strips, kind of like calamari. It's it's firm and you get cook in any way you like. It's delicious. 00:24:39 Speaker 2: Do you get any bycatch when you're targeting these giant burbot? 00:24:43 Speaker 6: Yes, walleye, white fish and rainbows. 00:24:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:24:49 Speaker 3: Can I ask you bird? I got a burbot question for you. Might love to just ask a question. 00:24:52 Speaker 2: Go for it here. 00:24:54 Speaker 3: My birthday is on February thirteenth. Yes, okay, So we go to For a few years on my birthday we would go set tip ups through the ice for burbot. One year on my birthday we go out. I can't wit we catch twenty four burbot. A big group of people. We catch twenty four burbot. Yeah. Next year February thirteen zero. The next year February thirteen zero, fishing the same stuff. What is your take on that. This is a big resermee. 00:25:23 Speaker 6: So usually burbot will spawn in different areas of the lake, and every year is a bit different. And actually some years it's actually tough for us to target them in March because they're all they all moved. 00:25:37 Speaker 3: So they're all somewhere and not where you are. 00:25:41 Speaker 6: Yeah, you got to find them. And that's Adam and I. We guide and we have to be on fish and we have to consistently move. We noticed that if we fish a spot one day, the next day it's not good, so we have to consistently move. So I feel like in your situation. 00:25:57 Speaker 3: We were fishing for last year's fish man. 00:25:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's the same thing. And you're you're always fishing the same numbers, where Adam and I were always learning, always moving. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: Yep, advice, I feel like that's what happened. You also have the world record rainbow trout that you caught on September fifth, two thousand and nine. Tell us about that catch. 00:26:17 Speaker 6: The uh wrong picture I lived in. That's a big brown for a little bit, but uh. 00:26:26 Speaker 3: Come on, get the right fish up there. Man, he's got his head thinking about. 00:26:30 Speaker 1: You're just trying to make friends with this guy. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: We wrongfish. 00:26:34 Speaker 2: We're gushing over other big fish pictures that Sean has. Phil is going to go back to picture two and that will be the record. There. Go ahead, Sean, tell us about that fish. 00:26:43 Speaker 6: I I just quit work Friday. I took my daughter believe she was two or three, and drove to my parents' house in Saskatoon. Got her to sleep around eight thirty, and then I took off around nine. We fish at dark for these rainbows. Met my brother and we fished. We caught, you know, we were trolling. We caught a big, like eight pound walleye. We had caught like an eight pound rainbow before that. And then noon or midnight came minnek in. Then we caught. I hooked this big fish, and I know it was big because the big ones they just they start rolling behind the boat and then you just can't move them, so you just hold the hold the line tight and uh yeah, like netted it. We're just like, well, we better weigh this thing because we are filling our biggest net up with this fish. 00:27:32 Speaker 2: Wow, the world record burbot you knew was in those waters? Did you know the next world record rainbow was swimming there as well. 00:27:39 Speaker 6: No, we were guiding hard in two thousand and nine or eight before we caught this fish. We stopped guiding. We had caught that year, I think three other or four other forty pound rainbow was that rail too. That was the year of the giants two thousand and nine, and then we just went out after guiding with we were done, and yeah, we knew there was giants that year, so we just fished hard, and yeah, it broke my brother's world record. 00:28:07 Speaker 2: Now ten of these world records have been line class world records. Explain what that means to folks who aren't familiar with the International Game Fish Association record keeping. 00:28:17 Speaker 6: So IGFA has different world records. The first world record Adam and I broke. We had caught a thirty three pound rainbow on twelve pound I believe it was twelve pound test. And we knew that there were different world records. So if you caught a fish that was you know, let's let's say thirty pounds on six pound tests, you could look up to see if that is the heaviest fish of that species on a certain line, so and then you can register. But I believe you have to be a member to do that, just to see what they have for weights in line and so there's different types of world records. There's line classes and then there's all tackles. So our first one was a thirty three pound line class world record. 00:28:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have any all tackle records? 00:29:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the rainbow and the bourbon. 00:29:01 Speaker 3: Oh, those are all tach he has both of those. 00:29:03 Speaker 6: Those are like the biggest in the world ever recorded. 00:29:07 Speaker 3: Man, are there any other dudes? 00:29:09 Speaker 1: Uh? 00:29:11 Speaker 3: Where do you sit in terms of in fresh water at least? Like are there a lot of dudes that have a handful? Like do you know what I mean? Is it like the kind of thing when there's certain guys that are filling that slot again and again. 00:29:24 Speaker 6: Adam and I our goal was to get every line class world record rainbow, So we would specifically spool our lines. I think it was called Pea line. We would buy Pea line and we would buy like twelve pound and we would just pool that rod and real twelve pound Pea line Because then when you do catch a line class world record, you've got to send your line in for break testing, and if it breaks higher, then you're bumped into a different category. 00:29:51 Speaker 3: I feel like maximum is that way. 00:29:53 Speaker 6: Yeah, so we have to buy SPC and we have to buy a specific waste scale, and then we had to get the fish weight properly if it was a world record, take it in and get certified with a biologists and stuff. So there's a there's a bit to it. 00:30:06 Speaker 3: God, you guys make me feel like I've wasted my life. 00:30:08 Speaker 2: Dude, you and you put. 00:30:11 Speaker 1: The professional right there. 00:30:13 Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, you and your brother have broken each other's records. When that happens, are you happy for each other or is it really competitive for you too? 00:30:22 Speaker 4: No? 00:30:22 Speaker 6: We love to bump questions off each other and techniques and we're always learning. If we go to a lake and we get skunked, why did we get skunked? What? What did we do wrong? How should we change our techniques? What should we do different? What area is a like? Time of day? It's just like deer hunting. When is that buck coming out? 00:30:42 Speaker 3: You know? 00:30:42 Speaker 6: Is it coming out in the morning or evening? And where is it? You got to you gotta learn and techniques. So fishing is what Adam and I do. We bump stuff off each other and then we learn. So we're always we're not competitive when it comes to that. 00:30:54 Speaker 1: But you do call your bro and be like, hey, you know that we were really proud of its right, stuff like that. 00:31:04 Speaker 6: I think when I caught the burbot, I was Adam was a little bit jealous because you know, I had caught the rainbow and now I caught the burbot, and then I caught a great big brown trout after that, and he was like, why are you catching all the big fish. I'm like, well, I don't know, I don't mind. 00:31:21 Speaker 3: Are you married? 00:31:22 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I'm not. 00:31:23 Speaker 2: Okay, no, my brother is what was going to be your responsive? He said, yes, oh, just if his wife? 00:31:30 Speaker 1: Are you talking trophy? Class of wife is no? 00:31:32 Speaker 3: No, no, no, like if his wife if she if she if she sees a big burbot, does she know enough to know she's looking at a big burbot? Meaning if we come home and show you know, we'll be We'll come home and show my wife stuff. And she's like, if you say so, it looks a lot like the other ones, a lot like the other ones. You guys, brow. 00:31:53 Speaker 2: Sean, all of your world record rainbows and burbot have come from Lake Diefenbaker in Saskatchewan. What is it about at water that allows it to produce such big fish? 00:32:04 Speaker 6: For one, it's a damn the reservoir loaded with ciscos. It's just they have so many ciscos in the lake, so it's got good forage we catch. We caught a forty inch burbot guiding last year and the up in the lake. And when I say the lake, we're actually targeting a lot of these world records down below the dam where these ciscos come through the dam and they get chopped up. So these fish are just chowing down and they're getting huge. 00:32:31 Speaker 3: Is that Is that true? I've read that before, But is that true that fish coming through those turbans are actually chopped up and not just shove through it. 00:32:40 Speaker 6: Yes, it depends what turbine and where it is. But the ones we're seeing are getting chopped up, you know, and then they just sink down and then. 00:32:50 Speaker 3: Just coming out like chum. Yeah, you know. 00:32:53 Speaker 6: And then just these fish just gets so big they get to world record size. 00:32:59 Speaker 2: Give some advice, I to listeners who want to target really really big rainbows and burbots, like you do your. 00:33:05 Speaker 6: Research, honestly, it's honest the same as deer hunting. You have to know what lake produces big fish. Adam and I we would see an article of a big fish being caught. It was Montana. I think a thirty thirty three pound rainbow was caught there Lake Cootin. Yeah, Cooton River sold it down there, and Adam and I went and we caught a thirty three inch rainbow like our first time. It was like almost near twenty pounds. You know, so certain systems produce big fish. So do your research and then figure out your techniques and learn, Yeah. 00:33:42 Speaker 2: Do you have a white whale? Is there a world record that you're pursuing right now? 00:33:46 Speaker 6: I was targeting the actual another world record bourbo. I was trying to break it and I had caught I was doing on video and I caught a twenty two pound or two years ago. It was three pounds under my world record bourbot. And this was that she and Alberta like that was producing some giant burbot. So as for targeting world record, I think it's the brown trout because we're right now, Adam and I are actually targeting a world record brown trout, and it's they're tough, but we see some brown trout that are rising that are in that thirty plus to forty pound range. 00:34:23 Speaker 2: When you break that record, you come back on this show and tell us that story. 00:34:27 Speaker 6: Yeah brown trout. 00:34:29 Speaker 1: Now, Sean, you want to know my claim to fame up in that country. 00:34:34 Speaker 6: Yeah, tell me. 00:34:35 Speaker 1: I got offered a bartending job there in Riverhurst one year. 00:34:39 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's where we guide out of around there. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: They kind of offer those jobs. 00:34:44 Speaker 1: Everyone that it comes through the door gets a bartending jobs. A sketch one, but yeah. 00:34:49 Speaker 3: Kel cal braggs about getting uh brags about getting offered bartending jobs. 00:34:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a hit with the locals. We used to go up there and and and hunt ducks every year, got some friends that live in town and had a place to crash. It was everything you needed when you had little bird dogs to run with. 00:35:08 Speaker 3: So yeah, one last question. All right, let's just say a fella is just looking out, you know, just to catch fla sized berb it. Yeah through the ice? Do you like? Are you laying like? Let me tell you what we do and you tell me where I'm wrong. We run tip ups with braid down to a floral leader, a small treble in cut bait, laying on the bottom, where do you not like? What do you not like? 00:35:36 Speaker 6: That's perfect and then fish into the night. And then your second line you would be hitting bottom, pounding bottom with some kind of a glow glow tube with bait. Okay, yeah, and lay it on bottom. Now find your depth to put your tip up and I would say fifteen to twenty feet and maybe set up your shack in about twenty five feet in February. And then and also if you're not catching, then go deeper, go up to go to twenty thirty five feet to forty feet those bourb it will be all over the place, so interesting and then awful lake. Yeah, go ahead. 00:36:12 Speaker 1: Sorry, you like the tubes, huh. 00:36:14 Speaker 6: Yeah, tube jigs work, yeah, absolutely, we love tubes. But also you know, we'll use heavier, heavier jigs with heavier heads, maybe that glow. And then you put your bait on there and you really want to hit bottom hard. You want that thump, you know, and just consistently do that, and it's kind of like just like bringing them in making noise down there on the bottom. It just seems to work. 00:36:39 Speaker 1: Cool. 00:36:40 Speaker 2: Sean last thaying, tell folks about the guiding service that you and your brother own. 00:36:44 Speaker 6: We're fishing geeks here. We guide Lake Diefenbaker. We've been guiding full time since twenty eighteen, part time since two thousand and eight. So and this is our job. Just take take people out fishing and hopefully catch them the fish of their dreams. 00:36:59 Speaker 2: You guys have quite the hasn't made to convince folks to fish? 00:37:01 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, thanks for coming on, appreciate the information. 00:37:04 Speaker 2: Thanks, good luck with your world record brown trout. 00:37:08 Speaker 6: We'll try. 00:37:10 Speaker 1: That's amazing. 00:37:11 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:37:11 Speaker 2: To be clear, he has caught the biggest rainbow and the biggest burbot in the world. Those are two of his fourteen records. The other twelve are the line class records we talked about. 00:37:20 Speaker 3: To be frank with you, I respect that burbot one but more Oh hell yeah. 00:37:24 Speaker 2: Well that thing was so baddy cool. 00:37:27 Speaker 3: That looks like something you drug out of a cave in the ocean. Man. 00:37:32 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break for some list of feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say? 00:37:36 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's see here. Well, back we were talking about Randall taking time off and Corn as well. Nick is asking do you meet either employees need to take PTO to go hunt or is that just a perk of the job. 00:37:46 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 00:37:49 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Bill, what do you do when you when you go hunt, you. 00:37:52 Speaker 5: Taket or of course I'm a company man. I let my manager know, and she in turn lets her manager know, and uh, you know the eye across the ts. 00:38:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, so just took a little PTO. 00:38:03 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but that was to go to Portland just to hang out. I didn't do any hunting. 00:38:06 Speaker 3: Now, I just noticed you had a little PTO thing on your email. 00:38:09 Speaker 1: There no cue paying attention. 00:38:11 Speaker 2: We do some stuff like a normal office. We block off our calendars, we write emails, tell folks we're going to be out of the office hunting. So yeah, it happens. 00:38:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh can you take that leopard shark one? 00:38:22 Speaker 5: That was gonna be my next one? Here he goes from will question for the crew. I just got back from diving in California. Saw a bunch of leopard sharks. I read that they are good eating. Have any of you harvested shark with a spear? Is it good eating? 00:38:32 Speaker 6: Oh? 00:38:33 Speaker 3: Spear? 00:38:33 Speaker 6: No? 00:38:34 Speaker 3: Roden real yes, and man, you gotta trim them sharks anything. You gotta trim the fat off. You gotta trim the you know, the the purple tell I'm trying to say, bloodline type, bloodline stuff. There's a layer that sits between the meat and the skin. If you trim it up, it's good. If you don't trim it up, you are in for a bad meal. He's spilled a bunch wrong. 00:38:59 Speaker 1: But I've had a lot of shark fresh shark that I think is fantastic eating. But yeah, oh, you. 00:39:06 Speaker 3: Gotta trim it. You gotta trim it as bad as you gotta trim a flathead catfish. It is good whatever, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, this is as essential. 00:39:17 Speaker 2: What else Scott film? 00:39:18 Speaker 5: This is from Leland? Howdy? Is there any idea of doing a meat eater history book on the French coups de bois or the voyageurs. I don't know if you've looked into that for that French stuff for your history, Steve at all. Is that peak your interest? 00:39:30 Speaker 3: I think that we will maybe, I think that we will get to that with our American history series. Yes, great, even though it's Canadian history. So that's what makes it a little bit tricky that it makes a little bit tricky. In every one of the series, we talk about what's going on north of the border, and we throw to those guys in both The Mountainmen and the Hide Hunters, but never dove in. But when I was a little boy growing up in Michigan, you would study those guys. They would teach you that stuff in Michigan history. 00:40:02 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is Oh, this is another one from Will. I have found that when I am on long long hikes or hunts, I almost always get a song stuck in my head, usually rambal On by Zeppelin. How do you guys pass the time mentally on long hikes? What's running through the noodle? 00:40:18 Speaker 2: We talked about this briefly. Esjay Randall said that he just he really hates himself, so when he spends time alone, you know, he just sits there thinking about the things he doesn't like about Randall. That's what I'm answering for Randall. There, I think about what I do like about Randow. 00:40:35 Speaker 3: That's how I passed. 00:40:36 Speaker 2: That's what I'll think about this week. 00:40:38 Speaker 1: I think songs are great. I definitely do some singing to myself and by proxy whoever's around me. I packed out a full mule deer boned out mule deer up a very very steep slope and just found like I was never ever going to get the top of the ridge if I stopped, because stopping can kind of become an addiction where you're like, well, I'm gonna get up to here and stop. I'm gonna get up to here and stop. And so I made up like a very all theatrical song, one man play phil of getting the buck to the top of the mountain. Oh, it was basically like, how do you get a buck to the top of a ma ton? And then you can kind of any other version. 00:41:30 Speaker 2: I'm going to use that. 00:41:33 Speaker 1: This is from or Mogor. 00:41:34 Speaker 5: I also I saw your message earlier about sending us your address for those cookbooks you won last week. Don't worry, mog Or, we will get you your cookbooks. I'll make sure that somebody saw that email. But your question is for cal how much will your new CEO role at BHA affect your appearances on the shows? I hope you still drop in from time to time. 00:41:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the plan. I obviously this is like a huge challenge and it's new, and I have a giant learning curve so time is going to be a factor, but no one, no intent to drop off the face of the world, the meat Eater world over here. And I'll still be weekly host on the podcast too, So. 00:42:15 Speaker 3: I would like to I'll touch on next. I would like to be able to be Cal's uh you know. I would like to be able to be a great place for Cal to come tell folks what what he's doing in his new role and what his priorities aren't his new role, so invitation stands. So if he doesn't come out, it's not my fault. 00:42:33 Speaker 5: Phil's clear sure this from Friday Arrows. Phil, When will we get an animated version of your Dungeons and Dragons episode? That's a great question. That would be a dream. I don't know if if Steve, you're your your American history guy will also work on the D and D episode that I did. But I love someone who can capture just the look of bewilderment on Cal's face at every turn, or maybe Brody decapitating the cat with a sword. That would be fun. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: So Steve has to decide, so that'd be great. 00:43:00 Speaker 5: See, I don't think you're aware that I that I I guest hosted trivia and instead of playing a game of trivia, I played a game of Dungeons and Dragons with the crew. 00:43:09 Speaker 3: I've heard about that, but I don't know what that means. 00:43:12 Speaker 5: You can watch it at some point or door, don't you know. It's up to you. 00:43:15 Speaker 2: All right. Our next segment pretty it crushed on YouTube like our best trivia of the year. 00:43:21 Speaker 3: I think it's congratulations. 00:43:23 Speaker 5: It was fun. 00:43:26 Speaker 4: All right. 00:43:26 Speaker 2: Our next segment is brought to you by Case Knives, handcrafting high quality knives since eighteen eighty nine. Check them out at case knives dot com. All right, this is the price is right. 00:43:38 Speaker 1: Here. 00:43:39 Speaker 5: It comes from Bozeman, Montana Media Radio's most exciting ten minutes. 00:43:44 Speaker 3: It's The Prices Run. Steve Ranilla, come. 00:43:49 Speaker 2: On down, first time on the show. 00:43:52 Speaker 5: Ryan Callahan, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Media Radios The Prices Run. Okay, now here's your host, Spencer new. 00:44:04 Speaker 4: Right. 00:44:04 Speaker 3: Oh that's great. 00:44:05 Speaker 2: Thank you. 00:44:06 Speaker 3: Did you watch that documentary about that show? 00:44:08 Speaker 4: No? 00:44:08 Speaker 5: I didn't even know there was one. 00:44:09 Speaker 2: Uh yes, I did. 00:44:11 Speaker 6: Well. 00:44:11 Speaker 3: The guys that gamed it, yes, but. 00:44:13 Speaker 2: By gaming just like knew the answer. 00:44:16 Speaker 3: No, they gained it by like like a sort of memorization experts who got into who got into these like catalogs of MSRP pricing. Yeah, and we're able to commit thousands and thousands and thousands of prices to. 00:44:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's like some trends in there too. And yeah, that that was But yeah, I think that the beef was like, you guys are ruining the show by being too good. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, by memorizing it all point being they get in there, that they when all the people are waiting in line to come in. This kind of surprised me. They have these sort of profilers. Yeah, they go outside and just hang around the line and they're just watching how people interact conversations. They kind of get some interactions going and they're just in their head going like he'd be good. Sure, he wouldn't be good, he'd be good, he wouldn't be good. And they knew how to get selected. Yeah, they would. They would dress in a certain way to be noticed but not noticed in the wrong way, and they would like they knew who they were looking for to engage with. 00:45:21 Speaker 2: But then I think they had to, like they knew those people, they had to those people had to start bringing guests who they hoped would get picked, and then the like real brains, the operation was in the audience somewhere giving clues by and you know. 00:45:39 Speaker 3: Because you know, the audience can yell. 00:45:41 Speaker 1: Yes the Dollar died. 00:45:43 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: Well he would look and there's this guy going Dollar Toy died. 00:45:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about picking those people out of the document famous. 00:45:54 Speaker 1: He became famous in the audience, and so people would be like, let's see what yes, Bill has to say? 00:46:00 Speaker 2: What you hope you're playing on a day when Bill is there? 00:46:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the documentary called? 00:46:04 Speaker 5: Well, I told you I haven't seen it. 00:46:06 Speaker 2: There was some real sad part of that documentary though, where Bob Barker just looked older. 00:46:10 Speaker 5: It's called Earth Perfect Bid The Contestant who Knew Too Much. 00:46:15 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we all know it because it was featured on Delta Delta. 00:46:20 Speaker 2: So that's you were talking about picking people out of the line. A very proud vain moment for me was my wife and I were in New York City. We went to a taping of Stephen Colbert in twenty eighteen, and when you're coming in, they just like have ushers that seat you somewhere and if you're you know, the attractive couple, they'll put you up front. And so they pulled us from the back and put us at the front. Yeah, so we could be seen in the audience and like. 00:46:47 Speaker 3: People would feel like they're watching the right show exactly. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just like setting the mood for the show. 00:46:53 Speaker 3: If that attractive man likes the show, then I must be on the good right thing. 00:46:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, exact kids club. 00:47:00 Speaker 2: All right, cal Steve, grab your whiteboards. This game is real simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the meat Eater universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again, and the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer to the correct answer, we'll get a shout out from Phil. All right, there are three products up for bid today, Phil get us started. 00:47:29 Speaker 5: Well, our first item up for bid today is the Hunter's Specialties butt Out two. 00:47:33 Speaker 3: I know that tool. 00:47:33 Speaker 5: Now, we know you're probably saying to yourself, but self, the betout one was perfect. 00:47:38 Speaker 3: What could they possibly improve on? 00:47:39 Speaker 5: Well, the betout too has an extra two inches of handle that creates the patented butt stop to give you better grip and control of the tool. It's never been easier to remove the anal canal of a white tail, antelope, bear, or hog. And Hunter Specialty says it's made out of sturdy plastic that can withstand repeated use, so you can hand this heirloom down to the next generation of deer gutters. 00:47:58 Speaker 2: That's what Steve is planning to deal. 00:48:00 Speaker 3: We'll show you a thing or two or you don't need that thing now. 00:48:02 Speaker 2: On Amazon it has four point seven stars from over four thousand reviews. Phil is showing his pictures of the butt Out two right there, and here's the butt Out one. You can see where they change the design to give you that special butt stop with a little extra plask. 00:48:18 Speaker 3: Can you show me the butt stop again? 00:48:20 Speaker 2: Okay, this is butt Out one that you're looking at, and we'll get a butt Out two in a second. 00:48:25 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:48:25 Speaker 2: Sure, that's your big improvement for butt Out two. 00:48:28 Speaker 3: And we're trying to figure out what that butt Out two is going to run. 00:48:30 Speaker 2: What does that cost? And if you go over, you're just out of the game. Almost both of you go over. So Stephen cow will come up their price. Now, I can't even fathom what they'll do for butt out three. What could they possibly come up with next? 00:48:45 Speaker 3: A real sharp knife? 00:48:49 Speaker 1: I like how on the description it's like, here's these animals they could work with, and it's like or anything. 00:48:55 Speaker 2: With it does say any big game sized animal. Yeah, it's is pretty vague. Now this is the price from Hunter Specialties. 00:49:03 Speaker 3: Oh man, you got you can't do that because all kinds of dudes are putting down what they think it is. 00:49:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're paying along as well. Yeah, it's just what we trust that you're honest, and you. 00:49:12 Speaker 3: Are he wrote mine. Okay, Cal, go ahead. 00:49:15 Speaker 2: And reveal your answers. We have Cal saying twenty two to ninety nine and Steve says twelve dollars. The correct answer is lower than both of those, so we're both going to try again come up with a new price. It is less than twelve dollars. Steve's guest was twelve. We know it's less than that. Both of you come up with the new answer and try. 00:49:38 Speaker 3: That's stupid. Why who's close? 00:49:40 Speaker 2: We're playing the prices, right? You got to argue with the prices. 00:49:44 Speaker 3: Just because someone does something dumb doesn't need you two. 00:49:46 Speaker 2: All right, we have Steve, who now says eleven dollars and Cal says six ninety nine. The correct answer is eleven dollars and ninety nine cents. Steve was only a penny off his first guest. 00:50:00 Speaker 3: But these are. 00:50:01 Speaker 2: Prices, right rules, Steve, So you were you were one. 00:50:04 Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I wouldn't pay any attention what they do. 00:50:07 Speaker 1: I will tell you though, Steve, Steve deserves little accolades here. That's the first I think that is the first price is right answer. I've been wrong on. 00:50:17 Speaker 2: Cal is dominant at this game, Steve. Just so you know you're going up against you know, the Michael Jordan of Meat Eaters Price. 00:50:23 Speaker 3: I had a conversation Cal was or not cal Clay was shaming me about this about what Clay was shaming me about. Not knowing the eggs had gone up in price. I'm like, I don't if I go to buy eggs, I'm just gonna get the eggs. Jemmy, I don't go like, am I gonna buy eggs or not? Like when I wake up and I say to my little body, we're going for breakfast eggs, I'm just gonna buy eggs. So I don't go and see, it's just not gonna matter. I'm still gonna buy the. 00:50:51 Speaker 5: Weather topic on the during the last this is before that. It was okay, this is before. 00:50:57 Speaker 2: That, so eleven ninety nine. That is from Hunter Special website. 00:51:00 Speaker 3: So I needed this butt remover. You can probably be like, I'm just gonna get the butt remove. 00:51:05 Speaker 2: It is on sale at Shields right now for seven ninety nine. So if you're in the market for a butt out, to check out Shields. 00:51:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have a handful of people, guess right on the money. We've run into that problem before, Steve. I've called people out and they've been very defensive about how they are. 00:51:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, guilty, Nate, JH and gone fishing Duncan. 00:51:27 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe a few more too, but those are the ones I saw. 00:51:30 Speaker 2: Suspicious. All right, Phil, What have we got next? Oh? 00:51:32 Speaker 5: Great question. Our next item up forbid is your very own colony of taxidermy Beetles. 00:51:40 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:51:40 Speaker 5: This dermistic Beatles super kit from Skull Taxidermy comes with over two thousand bugs that are shipping right to your front door. They guarantee a mix of adults, larvae, and pupe pupa that will have you cleaning skulls in just three to four weeks. The super kit also includes plenty of betting for laying eggs, as well as two pages of instructions on how to care for your beatles. 00:51:59 Speaker 2: You feel not to be clear, you're paying for the Super Beetle Kit plus shipping from Deer Lodge, Montana. These are going to come round. 00:52:07 Speaker 3: Whose idea was to include this? These are great idea? Hey, I saw a question about skunk spraying. Can you hang on to that one for me? 00:52:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've got a bookmarked, so what that was. 00:52:17 Speaker 3: A great That was a great That was a great call. 00:52:19 Speaker 2: Thank you. 00:52:20 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 00:52:21 Speaker 1: I have no no clue. 00:52:22 Speaker 2: You're getting two thousand bugs and they guarantee a mix of adults, larva and PUPA wow in that two thousand bug mix. 00:52:32 Speaker 3: This that's a great question. 00:52:33 Speaker 2: In three to four weeks, you're going to be cleaning your first skull. 00:52:36 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 00:52:38 Speaker 2: And this is a flat shipping rate. It's just convenient that is coming from Deer Lodge, but their website says it's cost the same fear shipping to Georgia. 00:52:46 Speaker 3: I don't like all these guys writing numbers down on that thing. 00:52:48 Speaker 2: You've already locked in your answer, I Suppish says, keep to themselves. Cal, are you ready reveal your answers? Cal says it's forty one dollars. Steve says it's one hundred and twenty dollars. That's a rag dancer, Yeah it is. It's two hundred and forty six dollars and fifty cents. So Steve was the closest and he was only half away there. 00:53:10 Speaker 3: See, how do you how do you put a price on that? 00:53:13 Speaker 2: I mean, these folks did what they did. 00:53:15 Speaker 3: But picture like what he's got to have going on to be able to have that. You know what I'm saying, that's a lot. That's something I could never guess because like the amount of headache, and that might just be a side hustle, like they're probably you know, they're cleaning, that's right, and they got access and I don't know, it's probably name your price because there's probably not much competition. 00:53:33 Speaker 2: That's two hundred and thirty dollars for the Beatles and sixteen dollars and fifty cents for shipping, and that's. 00:53:39 Speaker 5: A great Friday Friday Arrows Guest two thirty in the. 00:53:42 Speaker 2: Chat well done, Friday Arrows. Steve has now officially won the game. But we'll see if you can't get the clean sweep. We've got such a product, so we'll see if you can get the clean sweep and make Cal run around the building naked as is tradition. Phil, what's the third item. 00:53:57 Speaker 1: Lucky employees? 00:53:58 Speaker 5: Our final item up for bid today is a sign photo of Stephen Vanella. This eight by ten photo of a handsome young Stephen is for sale on eBay. 00:54:06 Speaker 3: Right, you remember that, I do? But how does he have that? 00:54:10 Speaker 5: He's standing on a stump staring. 00:54:11 Speaker 3: Into the magazine Men's Journal. It's probably Cal's bow with his hand. That's had no idea, obviously, Steve, actually my signature. 00:54:23 Speaker 5: Well, let's see here. The seller guarantees it's the real deal because the signature has been verified by Beckett Authentication Services. 00:54:31 Speaker 3: Just smudge does that much? 00:54:33 Speaker 2: Does that look like your signature? 00:54:37 Speaker 1: Have that picture? 00:54:38 Speaker 2: It's just someone on you gotta have this. We put Steven a real pickle here, making him guess what his autographed is hot. 00:54:45 Speaker 1: They found they brought out like kids, medium black T shirts for the shoot. 00:54:54 Speaker 4: I was like. 00:54:56 Speaker 1: Without his belly button getting exposed it was brutal and. 00:54:59 Speaker 2: St on a stump. That's that's a nice little touch. When was this photo taken? 00:55:04 Speaker 5: We got a lot of jokers in the chat guessing stuff like five cents one dollar. 00:55:08 Speaker 3: That's what I wrote down. 00:55:10 Speaker 1: If somebody put it on e Bay. 00:55:13 Speaker 3: That's right. 00:55:13 Speaker 2: This is for sale on eBay right now, so if you like the price. When we revealed weekend. 00:55:19 Speaker 3: Cal's dog passed away. 00:55:21 Speaker 1: No, no, no, this wasn't the big fish was Uh, your oldest boy was just a baby. I mean he was. 00:55:31 Speaker 3: Under at the same time. 00:55:33 Speaker 2: How many years ago? 00:55:34 Speaker 1: Was a long time ago, But I was I was entertaining and Steve's kid, uh by letting him shoot arrows up into the sky, I'd hold onto the bow. Oh, and he'd crank that back and let it go. 00:55:51 Speaker 2: That very safe activity. Would I pick this item? I had no idea. That was cow. No, I have not bought it. I bet by this episod's over. That thing's off eBay. Someone's purchasing calcul I'll send you one. Do you have a price, Go ahead and reveal your answers. Cal says fifty dollars. Steve says one dollar. The correct answer is eighty five dollars. Eighty five dollars that could be yours. It's free shipping or best offer, it says. So if you're in the market first time, Steve, maybe try to lowball him before you pay for We had a. 00:56:27 Speaker 5: Couple of people get it right on the money, but Garrett got in pretty quickly and he guessed eighty four ninety nine. I think he's being true, truthful. But then we had Big Dough pot pipe in and says eighty five dollars. 00:56:38 Speaker 2: I just bought it. Well done, Big Dough. I'm gonna verify that. I'm gonna go look on at you ban and see if that's still for sale. 00:56:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you bought it, I'll send him another one. 00:56:47 Speaker 2: Now, this seller has all kinds of autographed photos up for sale. I found some comparisons. If you're interested, Steve, so the first one here, If you've got sixty five dollars to spend, you can buy a signed picture of playble bunny Sierra Price. 00:57:02 Speaker 3: What was it? Blurret out, Well. 00:57:03 Speaker 2: Because it's kind of scandalous. It's a playboy bunny whose photo you're buying. 00:57:07 Speaker 1: Nobody's asking whether or not the signature is real. 00:57:10 Speaker 2: I notice, uh, huh. So that's that's if you got sixty five dollars. If you got eighty five dollars, you can buy a signed picture of Caine Hodter, who of course played Jason Vorhees from the Friday the Thirteenth movie. So that's the same price as Steve's signature. Now, if you've got real deep pockets, you're looking to spend one hundred and fifteen dollars, you can buy an autograph photo of rock and roll Hall of Famer Don McLean, who wrote the world's greatest song, American Pie. So twenty dollars more than your autograph, Steve, Don McLean. 00:57:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, what is the objective here? 00:57:43 Speaker 2: Just one, which is fun. Let's all this is where you ran your celebrity is between Playboy Bunny and Don Matillia. 00:57:51 Speaker 5: That's a pretty good place. 00:57:52 Speaker 3: To Actually, someone's like, how famous I'd take exactly? How let's go to eBay heard of I'm not quite the guy American Pye, but but I do trump some playboy buns. 00:58:08 Speaker 2: That's right, Steve wins. Anyway, he got his two points. Well done, Steve. All right, let's do our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line. Last is Steve Powell, the co owner of North American Diving Dogs. Steve, welcome to the show. 00:58:25 Speaker 4: Are we doing, guys? 00:58:27 Speaker 2: For folks who aren't familiar, what is doc diving? 00:58:31 Speaker 4: Doc diving is as simple as its dog running down at jumping into a pool. 00:58:38 Speaker 2: Okay, and no weird rules? Are there any weird rules? Or is it just simple where they throw the bumper and the dog jumps as far as they can. 00:58:46 Speaker 4: It's pretty much that simple. 00:58:48 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:58:49 Speaker 4: You got a dog that loves to chase a toy and loves water. It's that easy. 00:58:52 Speaker 5: Hey, Steve, really quick, can we get you a little bit closer to your computer? Please? Thank you so much. 00:58:57 Speaker 4: I'll just move in we go. 00:58:59 Speaker 2: Steve, walk us through and what the best breeds are for dock diving. 00:59:03 Speaker 4: Well, you guys are hunters, so obviously one would be any kind of retriever, your labs, your short hairs, things like that, wire hair pointers. Then you have your sport dogs, your malonoise, you got whippets, pretty much any dog of any size, they just need to be driving. 00:59:22 Speaker 2: And describe us like the perfect dock diving dog in terms of personality, age, sex. 00:59:29 Speaker 4: If you have a dog that is psychotic, and you don't want any part of dealing with it. Most of the time, that's probably your best bet because they'll just do whatever you want them to do and they'll give a thousand percent. 00:59:41 Speaker 2: Okay, good to know. Is there a dock diving goat the greatest of all time when it comes to jump in a long ways in water? 00:59:49 Speaker 4: There absolutely is. She lives in Washington. Dog's name is Sounders. It's a whippet. Holds the world record at thirty six feet eleven inches. 00:59:57 Speaker 2: Whoa what makes Sounders so good? 01:00:01 Speaker 4: Sounders as fast? Sounders is athletic and he just wants that toy. 01:00:07 Speaker 2: Okay? How did this become so popular and and go from being an obscure sport to being on ESPN? 01:00:16 Speaker 4: So the things I've heard is that somebody was out with their dog. It was jumping off the dock at the lake, and somebody thought, you know, I can probably get a group of people together and we can try to make that happen and make the company out of it. With competition, you know how people are They wanted my dog can beat your dog, you guys hunt My buck is bigger than your buck. My fish is bigger, right, So it's just a way to make make it more competitive. 01:00:43 Speaker 2: Huh, okay, cal, how would Snort perform at these competitions? 01:00:47 Speaker 6: Not? 01:00:48 Speaker 1: Well, she's a little bit too much of a thinker. The the cutest story I have about this though, because I went to a Ducks Unlimited banquet here in Bozeman met this little old lady who told me the reason she was there. She's not a hunter. Her dogs and doc jumping competitions. I said, well, how'd that happen? And she's like, my husband just passed away. He had this black lab that was totally his dog. Doesn't like me at all, doesn't pay attention to me, doesn't listen to me. And I was riddled with Gil about getting rid of the dog. And there was a doc jumping competition that had like open enrollment some and so she just did it. And now her and the dog travel all over doing the competitions and they love each other perfect. It's amazing, Steve. 01:01:42 Speaker 2: Do hunting dogs ever show up at your competitions? 01:01:46 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lots of times. We have tons of hunting dogs that they come and they're just I mean, it's their thing, right. They either they do hunting trials, they duck hunt, They pheasant hunt. They liked chase of Bumper And the biggest thing is that the guys will bring it or their wives, like in the story just told they just want to do something with the dog and they're like, oh, my dog loves water. So there's numerous yes. 01:02:12 Speaker 2: And if cal wants to get into doc diving, what should he do? 01:02:17 Speaker 4: So North America Diving Dogs we have close to ninety facilities across the US and in Canada. We have eight mobile docks that set up at AKC shows and we put on and do try its, which is a thing. Otherwise, facilities are a good place to learn and to train, and then they also have events. 01:02:38 Speaker 2: And how do people watch your competitions? 01:02:41 Speaker 4: So when we're doing events at shows or at facilities, I would say probably ninety five percent of the time public's welcome and there's no charge. We also we are teamed up with AKC and AKCTV. We get usually two events here that they film and then those can be seen on ESPN or ESPN two. 01:03:04 Speaker 2: Good stuff, very entertaining. 01:03:06 Speaker 3: I got a question about a quick question about the cognitive ability of dogs. We used to have a labrador that love She would jump off the end of the dock like that, and it was one of the problems if you were out swimming, she would then swim over and scratch you to all hell, thinking she was somehow going to climb on you somehow. But like I think, I thought about, let's say you had a dock and you do that all the time and then one night the lake freezes. It would be very interesting, do you follow me. It would be very interesting to see if to test or see if the dog, like how the dog comprehends that. Do you know what I mean? 01:03:49 Speaker 4: Well, one, I was afraid the dog wouldn't get hurt if it did do it. But the other thing is you're calling out like a lake in a pond, is that there is a difference to the dogs. If you got a dog that jumps at the lake a thousand percent has zero issues with it. It'll do it all day long. 01:04:05 Speaker 3: Huh uh. 01:04:05 Speaker 4: You bring them to clear water, which we have in the pools, and it'll it'll throw them off. 01:04:10 Speaker 3: Oh is that right? They got like a certain environment they like, yeah. 01:04:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:04:14 Speaker 4: I had a gentleman that came to my facility and he had a hunting title dog and he was like, this is gonna be no problem, and he expected his dog was just going to go in. He spent twenty five minutes with his dog just sitting on the platform, just going, what are you expecting from me? It had no idea. 01:04:32 Speaker 3: Do you ever find that there's dogs that like it so much that they do it in the absence of the toy? 01:04:40 Speaker 4: Absolutely. We have actually a few dogs that yeah, they'll bring them up on the dock and uh, they'll go go and the dog just jumps. 01:04:50 Speaker 3: Jumping. Oh. 01:04:51 Speaker 4: The worst part is they opened the gate to let him on the dock and the dog runs and jumps in. Luckily, we have it called the practice so they can take a practice jump and when they see that happening, they're like practice. 01:05:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, really, well that's fun, Steve, Kelly, get anything else? 01:05:06 Speaker 3: No, that's it. 01:05:07 Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. 01:05:08 Speaker 3: All right. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, Steve, and thanks for entertaining us with those wet dogs. 01:05:13 Speaker 4: Not a problem, guys, thank you for having me. 01:05:16 Speaker 3: All right. 01:05:16 Speaker 2: That brings us to the end of this week's show, Phil, let's do some final feedback from the chat. 01:05:21 Speaker 5: Sure, Steve, you wanted to talk about this question from Evan. Will a skunk spray when shot with a bower rifle. 01:05:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well right, and like the guys using injectors now, like damage control guys. They use these like long hole, these long poles, and they have an injector. They can inject it so it doesn't spray. But the thing it used to be that if you if you can jab stick, yeah, if you could hit it in the heart, well the twenty two it'd have about a fifty percent chance of spraying. But then I calculated that you got about a fifty percent chance of hitting it in the heart, so the. 01:05:56 Speaker 2: Twenty percent chance. 01:05:57 Speaker 3: But yeah, man, they they'll cut loose. 01:06:01 Speaker 5: Lance showed up late. Did Spencer cover his hunt? Yes, Lance could and rewind about an hour and you'll hear all about it. We had one just kind of related to buck fever, and I am oh, here he goes is from William Any advice with target panic. I've never had a problem with white tailor hogs with my bow, but started hunting public land Emulei's in New Mexico and can't seem to calm myself after drawing on them. 01:06:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as you're hunting a bigger, cooler animal, So I get it. Don't believe in target panic. At all, don't listen to those people, don't be around those people. If that causes a divorce or something like that, that that's better for you in the long run. 01:06:45 Speaker 3: You know, Kenyon has that. I'm sure a lot of guys do, but Kenyon has Mark. Kenyon has this little mantra he goes through, like a three step mantra, but you have to practice hard on it, like I've toyed with it. But he's got like a boom boom boom every time he shoots an arrow, boom boom boom, like a mental checklist. I think if you could actually get that to be wrote, I feel that that would be and I don't do it, sure, but when you explain it to me, I'm like, that seems like a good idea. Though I haven't tried it, but it feels like a great idea to me. 01:07:23 Speaker 2: I think a lot of guys as like beyond just the mental thing will switch their style of release. So if you whatever kind of style you're shooting right now, if you just cannot beat target panic, try a different one, and really that'll do it for you. 01:07:37 Speaker 1: If target panic were to exist. But it doesn't, so yeah, it is like it's it's like a cult of people who are like they feed off of each other. So get away from those people. Get in front of a big target and practice your your shot. And I do this with with my recurve or long bow. Now, if I'm having a hard time hitting the spot on the target that I want to hit, I'll walk up to ten yards and and practice shooting with my eyes closed, where all I'm doing is concentrating on the release of that arrow. And as long as my arrow isn't hitting in a totally funky way, I know that everything's good with the bow. And it's just me and it's just a practice thing. Don't get sucked down the rabbit hole. Don't don't believe it. 01:08:32 Speaker 3: Bill. 01:08:32 Speaker 5: Let's do a couple more cool It's from Spencer Flip for the people who are getting their their Christmas gifts early and responsibly. Any new holiday gift ideas on the Meat Eater website or first Light. You guys have any sort of like stocking stuffer Old trucks Man, Yeah, the new calendar. 01:08:47 Speaker 2: It's an easy, easy stocking stuffer for you. 01:08:49 Speaker 3: You got to roll it up. I mean there's put in the stock. 01:08:53 Speaker 1: There's so much good there's like fun stuff and there's very practical stuff. It's a great stop on the on the list. 01:09:00 Speaker 2: Everybody could use a first light based layer. Doesn't matter like what stock. 01:09:04 Speaker 3: But he didn't say stocking. Why are we talking about stockings? I'm not sorry, I got the stocking stuffer. 01:09:09 Speaker 5: Was me doing some editorialized it's nice thing about the calendar. 01:09:11 Speaker 3: I don't mean to oversell this here, but if you roll it up put it in the stocking, it's then gonna expand and actually firm up and make a nice firm cylinder that you then put all kinds of other stuff into. 01:09:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of like a shell, like a mid layer for your stocking. 01:09:31 Speaker 2: Next week is no, We're two weeks away from Black Friday, Spencer flip, so hold out on your holiday shopping until then. Maybe. 01:09:39 Speaker 6: Uh. 01:09:39 Speaker 5: We got Logan asking about he loves eating northern pike. He's asking for the best way to cook or pickle them. If you guys have any go tos. 01:09:48 Speaker 2: Pickling them, you're you're gonna get rid of all those nasty y bones in there. 01:09:52 Speaker 3: So that's it is the thing. If you get a pike now and then it is the thing to do with pike in my view, it's so good and just takes all the hassle. Yes, I also like to chunk, like, just flay it, leave the pin bones in, cube it up and food process it into a I mean, for lack of a better word, I guess you could call the moose. You could call the paste and then make fish cakes and you don't know the bones are there. Yeah. 01:10:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, Old Garrett Smith's dad he runs it through the grinder a couple of times until he has has a paste. 01:10:34 Speaker 3: Yeah. You could pack it like a snowball. I'm like, yes, and you can just do fried fried balls. Put good stuff to eat in there, bread crumb, egg put all that good stuff to eat in their season. And then when you then make a little patty or a little ball, roll that and panco And if you do the panicle, then fry it very gently. It's got a crispy outside, a smooth soft middle. It's very very tasty. 01:11:01 Speaker 2: Pickling or fish cakes. You're not gonna have to worry about all those y bones. Let's do one more, Phil. 01:11:05 Speaker 5: Sure, we've had multiple questions about this. It's a hot, hot commodity. What's the hat that caw is wearing? Called again from kleb Col's. 01:11:12 Speaker 1: Hat stocking stuff first light stormy chromer. 01:11:17 Speaker 3: That's right. But then you're stocking. 01:11:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, great, great lid. Once the weather turns cold, it's not on all the timer. Tell you that, all right? 01:11:25 Speaker 3: You know it's funny. Can I tell you something real quick, my little my little boy, we're gonna name him something different, can you tell us? Yeah, we're gonna name him my wife's maiden name, Finch. So we before he was born, we ordered him up his stocking. Oh, but then we changed our minds. 01:11:41 Speaker 2: Wow, what a little easter egg. 01:11:42 Speaker 3: And so his stocking still doesn't have his name on it. Oh. 01:11:48 Speaker 2: I like that. 01:11:49 Speaker 3: Our dogs even got one with But it's got the right name of his stocking is not his name. It's so funny, dude, he's ten years old, same stocking. 01:11:56 Speaker 2: It's good. As soon as we stop recording here, I'm driving to you going deer hunting? No next week? 01:12:02 Speaker 3: Holy what are you going hunting for? Well? 01:12:05 Speaker 2: As soon as I tag out in Nebraska their season opens on Saturday, I am shooting up to South Dakota. I have a deer tag there as well. 01:12:11 Speaker 1: So is this a draw tag guy over here? 01:12:15 Speaker 3: Yeah? 01:12:15 Speaker 2: Real rich for certain parts of the state I had to draw to get a mule deer tag. 01:12:20 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, is that what you have? 01:12:21 Speaker 2: I have a mule deer tag. Cool, And in South Dakota I have an any deer tag, which I also had to draw. So I'm out of here for the next there's going to be swimming in buck fever. 01:12:31 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Well after killing that big Montana mule. 01:12:34 Speaker 2: Deer, I'm ready. 01:12:35 Speaker 1: I hope you don't get anything. Oh no, I'm kidding. 01:12:38 Speaker 2: All right, We'll see you guys back here next week, same time and place by now